LTCG is not my style, but that "dumb fucking redneck hick" I believe has made more money than any other comedian. He has obviously figured something out. Steve can spin it any way shape or form, but I look at success of a comedian, and right now LTCG>Steve Hofstetter. Keep doing clubs while Larry does Football Stadiums.
Larry's base is backward republicans. It's not their faults, but I wish they would all go to Antarctica. Everything you said is everything I believe. We probably have the same political views too. Bravo Mr. Hofstetter.
6 youtube videos later and i have the up most respect for you man.. i feel like an idiot for never looking at "larry" that way,,,, maybe it's just because i never watch his shit? :O
!.) The 92 people that dislike this video are Larry's or Danny's or whatever his real name is fans.
2.) And Steve that was the actually phrase that they yelled at Jodi Foster in The Accused lol
But what I really wanted to say was Steve, who were the comedians that you looked up and do you have any advice for me because I want to start doing comedy?
have only just switched on to steve, and i think anyone who can get anyone else thinking about not being manipulated becos they are too lazy to go beyond the superficial is doing us all a favor. There is too much dumbing down of everything - movies, books, media, government...and people are too lazy to do anything about it. Keep up the good work Steve..lots of people behind you on this. cheers. a fan from singapore.
rednecks like lary insted of hating him for the same reason people like dunhams achmedterrorist and say"ikillyou!!"because its funny,fictional characters,obviously hes acting like a backwoods whitetrash redneck.But he WAS funny,in a weird way i think its like bein emulated,even if its being made fun of,people like being the center point.I think comedy is just that,comedy,not ment to be taken literal,just because people like scarface and have his posters doesnt mean they love cocaine and killing
i think there are alot of times people like comedy or anything like that when it relates to them ya know? even if its making fun of them. why?who knows.and I'm not saying all comedy has no point to it,I know some people have underlying or direct points in there acts they are wanting to get across witch is also great stuff. idk., todays the first time I've ever seen u, searching heckler in you tube, thought you were good, just thought you were making somethin seem like a huge problem that isnt
@thehofstetter i have watched a lot of your videos here on youtube and they were mostly heckler videos uploaded by you. you seem to be a reasonably funny guy and i mostly agree with you about larry the cable guy, but if you want to take on a juggernaut of the comedy world you need to be a lot better. you have no clout in the entertainment world. your rant was well put together and had valid points but it may as well have been my neighbor down the street to say it.
I wouldn't mind if it WAS your neighbor, it would make me happier just knowing someone out there is saying it! lol I think steve is pretty funny...but everyone has their own taste.
@ErizotDread oh im not saying the guys isn't funny. im just saying he is not a big name and therefore whatever he says carries no weight with the celebrity community. he needs to have a big HBO or at least comedy central gig to get people to take what he says seriously.
hey steve first off huge, huge, fan. I think there aren't enough intelligent comics in Amerikuh, and I'm glad you exist. You came and did a show at middlebury (you probably don't even remember it cuz you were clearly some sort of impaired when you came on stage hahah) which was by far the highlight of my two years on this godforsaken icy rock.
I was just wondering what you think of louis ck? (i don't even know if you still check these seeing as your last reply was like 6 months ago but still)
just found you on utube...thought you were kinda funny till i saw this...i will never listen to your comedy again...worrie about your own self.. attacking another comedian is low.
@bspain25 how does attacking another comedian serve to make the first one less funny? It makes sense that someone like you would defend larry the cable guy
You're a good speaker and very convincing, but you're buying the cliche of the southern Christian hick, a cliche I've never seen or met before other than on liberal news shows. Many people hold to certain elements of this stereotype, but no one I've met fully embraces this supposedly prevalent lifestyle. In other words, I've never met a Larry fan who didn't get the joke.
@miack84 P.S. That's the point of LTCG's act, making fun of the culture of the hicks. They know what's going on. Being able to laugh at yourself is a sign of good self esteem. Something this comic doesn't get. Still think you are funny Steve, but you are really off the mark on this one.
You talk about Dan not having any class but yet I listened to the character of Larry the cable guy for awhile and never heard him bashing anyone but the Blue Collar culture. You on the other hand, are bashing him and judging him on character. Just because you wear flannel, hunt,fish, and drive trucks that makes you a racist? News to me. What is the difference between Dan selling tickets to blue collar Americans and you selling tickets to liberal college students?
Hey steve ive wrote to you before... and u responded.. that was cool ... haha just curious i would LOVE to hear who your fav comics are right now.. top 5 or something thatd be interesting to see ...
@Element1516 Hard to narrow it down, but some current ones I really enjoy lately: Jon Stewart, Eddie Izzard, David Cross, Doug Stanhope, and Tom Simmons
@thehofstetter cool! totally not the people i was expecting to hear .. but cool ill have to check em out ... OH! one more question .. from another comedian's point of view... do u think Dane Cook is as bad as everyone says/thinks he is?
@Element1516 I've worked with Dane many times - a lot of his material is very well written, and people don't give him enough credit for that. I have always liked him - though I do like Harmful if Swallowed and Retaliation way more than Vicious Circle.
@thehofstetter Cool, totally like hearing what other comics think about other comedy ... i think of you guys as the "professionals" so its cool hearing what u think about other work... and its cool u take the time out to respond to ur fans... thats good business!
i still think ur heckler video with the guy arguing with you about Celsius is one of my favorites! hahaha
@thehofstetter Steve I like your intellect based comedy and have been watching the videos where you've given shit back to hecklers which was great, but I have to know what your opinions on the internet battle of who is a better comedian Dane Cook or Daniel Tosh. What would your opinion be?
@harmfulhazard I didn't know there was a battle, but comedy is subjective. There's no such thing as "the better comedian" - clearly both have a lot of fans who would argue for each. I can't really pick one of those two that I like better.
@Element1516 Just curious, with your vast knowledge of comedy....Why would you want another persons point a view on DC...Do you enjoy his work? Time to quit following the sheepole and form your own opinon. Yes I enjoy DC, Yes I enjoy steves work as well. Really wouldnt jump in on someone elses conv but i had to look at your comments while I enjoyed this Video...(and yes i guess being jewish gives me super abiltys like reading and listining and forming a opinion at the same time.
Is it strange that I like both yours and Larry the Cable Guy's comedy routines? I did go to a Larry show a couple years back and he made a joke about the handicap or something along those lines involving a disabled person and the disabled person behind me wasn't amused. I never knew how much people who like Larry didn't realize they were the punch lines. Sad when people don't get he's a character.As for you I just think you're a funny guy naturally and you're yourself on stage, not a character.
I think there are different styles of comedy and i happen to appreciate the "intellectual" and "stupid" comedy just about the same. I think this comes down to taking something that should be funny a little too seriously. I just want to laugh and both steve and larry make me laugh my ass off
@MToomey79 He's an unfunny, sissy "comedian" who thinks he should win a Nobel Prize because he knows what the word xenophobia means, and also had to resort to insulting a far more talented and entertaining performer to get any notoriety whatsoever.
Steve .... why are u not on comedy central?! why isnt ur name as big as most the "well-known" comedians.. ur fuckin funny dude... keep it goin! i enjoy ur work
I heard you got into a fight over this with Joe DeRosa and the Comical Radio staff. And that even Lewis Black told you it was tasteless, I just want to ask if you have any regrets from the title. I personally think that you decision for the Larry doll to be hanged in effigy was while brave also inappropriate feeling your just putting up walls. I also think it's funny that you have been having to defend this for 4 years now.
@cyberultim Actually, Joe and I had a very pleasant conversation about it (it was one of the hosts that took offense). Lewis was upset, and he was entitled to be - Dan Whitney is a friend of his. Not sure who your sources are, but their memory is a bit fuzzy.
If I regretted saying something I believed in simply because people disagreed with me, I'd be a pretty empty shell of a person.
I'm not a "Larry" fan ~ A minority, I know :) What I do want to thank you for is at 2:19mins when you said "dumb enough to spend $2 on magnet to put on a gas-guzzler which increases USA dependence on foreign oil" (In my own words) ~ I LOVE YOUR HONESTY and in light of the recent Oil Spill (2010) in the Gulf, I wish more people would actually HEAR your message! Ironically, the black goo will be washing up on the shores in the South but sadly, we will all pay the price for our ignorance.
Bottom line is you can laugh at a joke or not laugh at a joke. While I'm not a fan or follower of Larry the Cable Guy, admittedly I chuckled a couple of times at his jokes. I've heard Steve Hofstetter's stand-up and now this. Just not funny or as intelligent as this guy would love us to think. So, rather than standing on a tiny soapbox with a point that no one gives a shit about, how about, you know, be a comedian and be FUNNY.
Wow that was funny. Thanks Steve. Really valid points. Honestly I only know a few Larry the cable fans, mainly because I have so few friends. The ones I do know though seem a little bit dumber and a little more racist than the average person I have come into contact with.
I don't care about Larry the cable guy one iota but in this video you come off as a stuck up elitist. You remind me of this guy I know that annoys the shit out of me.
I can't fault you for being yourself but I'll skip your show tonight.
way to say it. ignorance should not make people rich, and in the real world, such slander teaches the uneducated bullshit. like all comedy its intended for intelligent viewers but i bet even dave chappelle taught some dumb brothas nasty shit bout white folk.
That's not what Dan meant when he said, "You're reading into it too much," Steve. He meant that you're mentioning a problem where there is none. Fans of Larry the Cable Guy, like myself, are much more intelligent than you give them credit for. We absolutley know that we're being made fun of, but that's what makes Larry such a talented comedian--he can get us laughing at ourselves! We're not so dumb as to think that he's "a great hero." He's just funny. That's all!
I would love to believe you. But read the hundreds of comments from your fellow fans to this very video. And you will see that you are unfortunately the exception to the rule.
omfg. wtf? stop talking shit about larry! if you dont have anything nice to say about someone, dont say anything at all!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! get a fucking life u piece of shit!!!!! ur just jealous cuz u r not as good as him. u call larry ignorent!? ur the ignorent one! i hope u get ur ass killed u son of a bitch!
Your logic, is exactly what this video is about! You call him ignorant, then demand he should be beaten for his views, if you don't have something nice to say? Don't say it all? "ur the ignorent one! i hope u get ur ass killed u son of a bitch! " You really sure you have any clue what your talking about? Or do you 100% enjoy being a moronic mumbling idiot.
XXXZSOZO, Steve was just at my college this weekend, and he was easily twice as funny as that dumb fatass, so maybe you should stfu and go sip on a beer and hit a woman.
STFU Steve Hofstetter and stop overselling yourself on the internet. It's REALLY annoying! If you're funny your career will work itself out. Stop trying to use Larry the cable guy's success for your own self propagation. Your a smug, annoying, talentless, hack. For the love of god please stop your shameless self promotion!
xxzoso doesn't sound like a redneck at all. I would also assume he agrees with everything steve said in the video, as do I. Every point Steve makes is 100% correct. The video does however promote his career (40,955 views)
Larry the Cable Guy is awful. You had some really good points, particularly when you defined a comic and his role in society. If we had more comics like you in the mainstream people like this wouldn't make it past straight to dvd sucsess.
Cry all you want, Larry (Dan) makes money. You don't.
People tend not to find self important assholes funny. Or want to pay to see them. I enjoy Larry, I find you irritating. I'll pay to see Larry. You, I send you free utube comments.
Aside from this video, he only talks about Larry for 3 minutes in "Cure for the Cable Guy", so that makes only 10 minutes of his material making fun of Larry. Making fun of Larry may have gained him some fame, but what really got his name out there were his friend quests on Facebook, and later, Myspace, and that was before he even mentioned him.
Ok thats fine, but he does base a portion part of his act on Larry. I'm sure the part about Larry is what he's most famous for (isn't the cover of one of his cd's a little Larry doll with a noose around his neck?). So either way he's basing enough of his act on Larry that if Larry wasn't so successful, he wouldn't be nearly as well known.
you might as well have an issue with the Simpsons or family guy,heck with the whole media which portrays fathers, as dumb fat, lazy slobs. Come to think of it you remind me very much of Frank Grimmes or "Grimmy" as homer use to called him.
Okay, Steve. Here's my dialogue. I can concede that Dan is a little reckless using negative stereotypes and that ANYONE who adopts his jokes as lifestyles was born an idiot. But answer me this:
1. Does what you're doing really qualify as a cause?
2. Is Dan being a treacherous shyster or does he see nothing wrong in what he's doing?
1) Sure - "Larry" contributes to the dumb-ing down of America. That's a cause to rally against.
2) If you're asking whether or not he's aware, yes he is. His character used to be satire.
3) "Redneck" used to be a racial slur. If you're asking what southern or rural comedians I enjoy, Ron White is one of them. Blake Clark, Rodney Carrington, James Johann, Rich Ragains - plenty of good southern comics.
The dumbing down of America is part of why we were at war. If we were smarter and better informed, we wouldn't have supported this effort (or re-elected Bush).
And yes, he knows. I addressed that in the very video you're replying to.
Okay, my bad, I am only watching one video. My only point in the dialogue is compared to O'Reilly and Bush, Larry and Hilton are not that big of a worry to me and Larry certainly is being reckless, I just don't know that he's being nefarious.
He makes great points but it was somewhat painful listening to him. I don't know if that was bad acting or if he just talks like that but he sounds much better and more genuine during stand up.
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i love how dumbasses like this guy think they're smarter than everyone else. larry has grossed 100 times the money as this douche but he still thinks hes funnier
Have you thought he might not be in it for the money? He did say something along the lines of being a comedian to get people to think about things they never really thought of before, maybe as comical or something to be taken seriously. Also, I would like to point out he probably is a hell of a lot smarter than you and even though he might not have as much money as Dan, seeing as Larry is a fictional person,he probably has more money than you. Just thought I would point that out. Peace
He's obviously smarter than you, because your idea that one's personal wealth is any mark of their intellect makes you out to be one stupid motherfucker.
One's personal wealth does show intellect. It doesn't mean the one with the most money is smartest, but your not going to be making a lot of money if you don't have some intelligence.
Yes, more money means that you are a better and more talented person. According to the honorable Mr. Show, it is called Worthingtons law. George Bush has made more money than Albert Einstein ever did. It is clear who the real genius is. In fact, Bush is also a better artist than Van Gogh, a better writer than Ernest Hemingway and much more talented than Mozart. And what the heck, he is much funnier than Larry the Cableguy, since he has much more money.
Everybody plays to an audience and that is all Steve and Larry are doing.
They are out for laughs and to be the center of attention.
That's all we YouTubers and successful entertainers are: attention-seeking, wanna-be-fawned-over-flaccid-support-beams that will crumble when the next generation of earth-shattering attention seekers come along.
This time in life is fleeting, so enjoy it as it lasts.
All respect, but I feel this whole 'dialogue' is an example of how divided we've become in the US. We're so split between the left & anyone remotely close & the right (same there). I think singling out Dan for being full of shit & taken seriously by his fans is just one out of many. "Larry" is not the 1st fictional persona taken too seriously while the person playing the part counts their money; Marilyn Manson, 50 Cent, Eminem. All made up for financial gain. How about bashing them?
My personal distaste for Larry the Cable Guy aside, I'm too much of a prick to close this window without making three points:
1. This kind of comedy isn't exactly "fresh" either. And even if it had been born in Mr. Hofstetter, it's been imitated too many times to be any more interesting than Larry's schtick (which is less offensive than boring). I live on a college campus; the disaffected thing is done to death.
2. As disaffected snark goes, this is pretty blunt.
I just discovered Hofstetter, and all I can say is - I love him. And I really love reading the comments in here too - it's nice to see all the positive, wellwritten responses. A rare thing on youtube.
I saw Steve live and thought he was great. I own a copy of his CD "Cure for the Cable Guy". I think it's great.Guess what... I'm going to see Larry the Cable guy in a couple of months. I agree with Steve and thats why I think Larry's funny; because I look at it in a satirical way.
Steve Hofstetter is a Classy and incredibly intelligent man, who I greatly respect for his ability to make rhetoric and argument into an enjoyable yet sensible thing.
I agree with all of your points, except for one. Not to seem humorless, but the phrase "white trash" is just another way to demonize the poor and increase their invisibility. Human beings are never trash, despite their income, color, or even their behavior.
That's noble of you, and I respect your modesty, but it simply is not true. There are lots of humans who are trash. I would give examples, but I think that despite your humbleness, that is something you already acknowledge.
"There are some amazing people there. Because there are amazing people everywhere."
Thanks, Steve. <3 It's good to see someone who doesn't totally generalize about the south. You represent comedy with intelligence and style and I thank you for that. <3
Accd to chappelletheoryDOTcom, either he was very paranoid, or there really is a group called the Dark Crusaders consisting of Cosby, Opra, Jesse Jackson, Farrakhan, Whoopie, Sharpton, and R.L. Johnson that felt he was setting back the Black Steriotypes.
If only Rednecks were this Powerful (and Shortsighted).
dave chappelle=fabulous, larry=terrible...One quits because he knew that his comedy wasnt coming off the way he wanted it to, the other cashes in on poop jokes...Steve I salute you for standing up against this garbage. For every good show on comedy central, there is an hour of Larry the cable guy...Keep proving the hacks in the business, and maybe sooner or later you can make an album called The Cure for Carlos Mencia
i think its awesome that a working comedian can finally put up a good argument for why idiots like larry the cable guy are on TV...its not about selling t-shirts, but making quality jokes..I'm sure Larry has plenty of money, but that means nothing since the only people who respect him are retards.
But attacking Rednecks and other Larry Fans for finding Dan Whitney's depiction of them funny is like attacking Entomologists (and cows) for finding Gary Larson (Far Side) funny.
But thanks to Larry the Cable Guy, I just stumbled across you. (Smart tactic).
ask anyone with a history major...the north didn't win the war. the south signed the freaking treaty to end the bloodshed. we aren't weaker, just more intelligent.
You really made me laugh. The day the southern states are more intelligent than the northern ones is the day I sprout wings and fly away to Neverland. You got you ass kicked. Admit it. Move on. Also, it's really hard to accept "intelligence" putdowns from a guy that starts a post with "yall"
so now you're criticizing my grammar? i'm from the South and "yall" is part of our daily conversations. and i guarantee you i could kick your ass in any contest of intelligence. just because we talk different doesn't mean we're stupid.
The fact that everybody says it doesn't make it correct grammar. And I'm glad to see you guarantee my defeat in a contest of intelligence with you. I'm so scared I'm actually dictating this post to my brother while I curl up naked in the corner of my room, in shame. Also, you lost the civil war. I'm no history major, but when one side defends slavery and the war ends with it being abolished, I'm going to go ahead and make the wild assumption that they lost...
LTCG is not my style, but that "dumb fucking redneck hick" I believe has made more money than any other comedian. He has obviously figured something out. Steve can spin it any way shape or form, but I look at success of a comedian, and right now LTCG>Steve Hofstetter. Keep doing clubs while Larry does Football Stadiums.
FTay07 5 days ago
@FTay07
Popularity =/= Talent
MetaI4Brains 4 days ago
Nice
ernies351wvan 1 week ago
Well worth the view :) nice irony appreciation
Frallon 1 month ago
Larry's base is backward republicans. It's not their faults, but I wish they would all go to Antarctica. Everything you said is everything I believe. We probably have the same political views too. Bravo Mr. Hofstetter.
kr4yzi32k 1 month ago
@kr4yzi32k Antarctica? But then what would they hunt? Let them go to the Arctic, it has bears.
speebyda 5 days ago
Fucking, owned.
Sylinic 1 month ago
You can download one of my albums free at stevehofstetter dotcom - and thumbs up this comment so everyone can get a free copy.
thehofstetter 3 months ago 6
@thehofstetter Thanks Steve, very kind of you. Do you have any plans of hitting the UK?
killalmostwise 1 month ago
@killalmostwise This July. See you there!
thehofstetter 1 month ago
You're my hero.
JejunumJake 3 months ago
6 youtube videos later and i have the up most respect for you man.. i feel like an idiot for never looking at "larry" that way,,,, maybe it's just because i never watch his shit? :O
chrisbbbbchris 3 months ago
Steve smacks just a bit of the late, great George Carlin, which is exceptionally - and refreshingly! - cool.
rage1umr 3 months ago
!.) The 92 people that dislike this video are Larry's or Danny's or whatever his real name is fans.
2.) And Steve that was the actually phrase that they yelled at Jodi Foster in The Accused lol
But what I really wanted to say was Steve, who were the comedians that you looked up and do you have any advice for me because I want to start doing comedy?
MrDeadman07 3 months ago
Damn, that's good stuff.
Hagathorthegr8 3 months ago
Steve H... up there with the very BEST!
Mree4u 4 months ago
have only just switched on to steve, and i think anyone who can get anyone else thinking about not being manipulated becos they are too lazy to go beyond the superficial is doing us all a favor. There is too much dumbing down of everything - movies, books, media, government...and people are too lazy to do anything about it. Keep up the good work Steve..lots of people behind you on this. cheers. a fan from singapore.
1chelp 4 months ago
rednecks like lary insted of hating him for the same reason people like dunhams achmedterrorist and say"ikillyou!!"because its funny,fictional characters,obviously hes acting like a backwoods whitetrash redneck.But he WAS funny,in a weird way i think its like bein emulated,even if its being made fun of,people like being the center point.I think comedy is just that,comedy,not ment to be taken literal,just because people like scarface and have his posters doesnt mean they love cocaine and killing
pizzledizzlewizzle 4 months ago
i think there are alot of times people like comedy or anything like that when it relates to them ya know? even if its making fun of them. why?who knows.and I'm not saying all comedy has no point to it,I know some people have underlying or direct points in there acts they are wanting to get across witch is also great stuff. idk., todays the first time I've ever seen u, searching heckler in you tube, thought you were good, just thought you were making somethin seem like a huge problem that isnt
pizzledizzlewizzle 4 months ago
TheM Dar Words are all flowery and i can't understand most of them... dislike...
1 in 4 people's reaction to your monologue...
As someone who grew up in mississippi.... The problem is how the "southern" culture embraces, well, basically being retarded is ok...
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Teslawasagod 4 months ago
Xena so hot
sephizinho 5 months ago
Do you like Bill Hicks, Steve?
sethte 5 months ago 4
@sethte Yes. I was actually in the "What Would Bill Hicks Say?" book.
thehofstetter 5 months ago 10
@thehofstetter i hope to be a comedian as great as guys like you one day
sethte 5 months ago
@thehofstetter i have watched a lot of your videos here on youtube and they were mostly heckler videos uploaded by you. you seem to be a reasonably funny guy and i mostly agree with you about larry the cable guy, but if you want to take on a juggernaut of the comedy world you need to be a lot better. you have no clout in the entertainment world. your rant was well put together and had valid points but it may as well have been my neighbor down the street to say it.
luderudecrude 3 months ago
@luderudecrude
I wouldn't mind if it WAS your neighbor, it would make me happier just knowing someone out there is saying it! lol I think steve is pretty funny...but everyone has their own taste.
ErizotDread 3 months ago
@ErizotDread oh im not saying the guys isn't funny. im just saying he is not a big name and therefore whatever he says carries no weight with the celebrity community. he needs to have a big HBO or at least comedy central gig to get people to take what he says seriously.
luderudecrude 3 months ago
this guy is great. mabey the reason hes not famous is cause he speaks the truth.
OdiseyThe 5 months ago
hey steve first off huge, huge, fan. I think there aren't enough intelligent comics in Amerikuh, and I'm glad you exist. You came and did a show at middlebury (you probably don't even remember it cuz you were clearly some sort of impaired when you came on stage hahah) which was by far the highlight of my two years on this godforsaken icy rock.
I was just wondering what you think of louis ck? (i don't even know if you still check these seeing as your last reply was like 6 months ago but still)
ryderjames46 6 months ago
just found you on utube...thought you were kinda funny till i saw this...i will never listen to your comedy again...worrie about your own self.. attacking another comedian is low.
bspain25 7 months ago
@bspain25 You would seem more coherent if you spelled at least twenty percent of your words correctly.
straightedge442 6 months ago
@bspain25 how does attacking another comedian serve to make the first one less funny? It makes sense that someone like you would defend larry the cable guy
ryderjames46 6 months ago
Subscribed. How have these videos flown under my radar for this long? Checked your tour dates, and no Ohio dates. Please change this?
indigozulu9 7 months ago
Pure gold here....lmfao, thank you for doing this.
St0n3dGuRU 9 months ago
You're a good speaker and very convincing, but you're buying the cliche of the southern Christian hick, a cliche I've never seen or met before other than on liberal news shows. Many people hold to certain elements of this stereotype, but no one I've met fully embraces this supposedly prevalent lifestyle. In other words, I've never met a Larry fan who didn't get the joke.
ProbablyOkay 10 months ago
I never took him seriously...still think he is funny.
miack84 10 months ago
@miack84 P.S. That's the point of LTCG's act, making fun of the culture of the hicks. They know what's going on. Being able to laugh at yourself is a sign of good self esteem. Something this comic doesn't get. Still think you are funny Steve, but you are really off the mark on this one.
miack84 10 months ago
86 people don't like to hear the truth.
terry46619 11 months ago
You talk about Dan not having any class but yet I listened to the character of Larry the cable guy for awhile and never heard him bashing anyone but the Blue Collar culture. You on the other hand, are bashing him and judging him on character. Just because you wear flannel, hunt,fish, and drive trucks that makes you a racist? News to me. What is the difference between Dan selling tickets to blue collar Americans and you selling tickets to liberal college students?
njbirdhunter3 1 year ago
Hey steve ive wrote to you before... and u responded.. that was cool ... haha just curious i would LOVE to hear who your fav comics are right now.. top 5 or something thatd be interesting to see ...
Element1516 1 year ago
@Element1516 Hard to narrow it down, but some current ones I really enjoy lately: Jon Stewart, Eddie Izzard, David Cross, Doug Stanhope, and Tom Simmons
thehofstetter 1 year ago
@thehofstetter cool! totally not the people i was expecting to hear .. but cool ill have to check em out ... OH! one more question .. from another comedian's point of view... do u think Dane Cook is as bad as everyone says/thinks he is?
Element1516 1 year ago
@Element1516 I've worked with Dane many times - a lot of his material is very well written, and people don't give him enough credit for that. I have always liked him - though I do like Harmful if Swallowed and Retaliation way more than Vicious Circle.
thehofstetter 1 year ago
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@thehofstetter Cool, totally like hearing what other comics think about other comedy ... i think of you guys as the "professionals" so its cool hearing what u think about other work... and its cool u take the time out to respond to ur fans... thats good business!
i still think ur heckler video with the guy arguing with you about Celsius is one of my favorites! hahaha
Element1516 1 year ago
@thehofstetter Steve I like your intellect based comedy and have been watching the videos where you've given shit back to hecklers which was great, but I have to know what your opinions on the internet battle of who is a better comedian Dane Cook or Daniel Tosh. What would your opinion be?
harmfulhazard 11 months ago
@harmfulhazard I didn't know there was a battle, but comedy is subjective. There's no such thing as "the better comedian" - clearly both have a lot of fans who would argue for each. I can't really pick one of those two that I like better.
thehofstetter 11 months ago
@thehofstetter
Really! OK, I know comedy is subjective, but Dane is lame and Daniel is really funny. IMAO.
kentmaris 6 months ago
@harmfulhazard Daniel Tosh, no contest
BillHicks420 10 months ago
@Element1516 Just curious, with your vast knowledge of comedy....Why would you want another persons point a view on DC...Do you enjoy his work? Time to quit following the sheepole and form your own opinon. Yes I enjoy DC, Yes I enjoy steves work as well. Really wouldnt jump in on someone elses conv but i had to look at your comments while I enjoyed this Video...(and yes i guess being jewish gives me super abiltys like reading and listining and forming a opinion at the same time.
tat2miami 9 months ago
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Element1516 1 year ago
You're hilarious man, I'm dragging the wife out of the house to come see your show in Savannah on the 29th.
pyroknoppix 1 year ago
Steve Hofstetter for president. enough said.
Foolability 1 year ago 15
awesome.
joeratti 1 year ago
fuck larry the cable guy
joeratti 1 year ago
Is it strange that I like both yours and Larry the Cable Guy's comedy routines? I did go to a Larry show a couple years back and he made a joke about the handicap or something along those lines involving a disabled person and the disabled person behind me wasn't amused. I never knew how much people who like Larry didn't realize they were the punch lines. Sad when people don't get he's a character.As for you I just think you're a funny guy naturally and you're yourself on stage, not a character.
bobolob 1 year ago
I think there are different styles of comedy and i happen to appreciate the "intellectual" and "stupid" comedy just about the same. I think this comes down to taking something that should be funny a little too seriously. I just want to laugh and both steve and larry make me laugh my ass off
j1nt3tsu 1 year ago
Who is this guy? I've never heard of him. He sure is snobby.
MToomey79 1 year ago
@MToomey79 He's an unfunny, sissy "comedian" who thinks he should win a Nobel Prize because he knows what the word xenophobia means, and also had to resort to insulting a far more talented and entertaining performer to get any notoriety whatsoever.
orlandoautoexaminer 1 year ago
heh. Love the Xena reference.
AustenFugitive 1 year ago
Steve .... why are u not on comedy central?! why isnt ur name as big as most the "well-known" comedians.. ur fuckin funny dude... keep it goin! i enjoy ur work
Element1516 1 year ago
I agree with you, my man...;)
cecinid 1 year ago
I heard you got into a fight over this with Joe DeRosa and the Comical Radio staff. And that even Lewis Black told you it was tasteless, I just want to ask if you have any regrets from the title. I personally think that you decision for the Larry doll to be hanged in effigy was while brave also inappropriate feeling your just putting up walls. I also think it's funny that you have been having to defend this for 4 years now.
cyberultim 1 year ago
@cyberultim Actually, Joe and I had a very pleasant conversation about it (it was one of the hosts that took offense). Lewis was upset, and he was entitled to be - Dan Whitney is a friend of his. Not sure who your sources are, but their memory is a bit fuzzy.
If I regretted saying something I believed in simply because people disagreed with me, I'd be a pretty empty shell of a person.
thehofstetter 1 year ago
I'm not a "Larry" fan ~ A minority, I know :) What I do want to thank you for is at 2:19mins when you said "dumb enough to spend $2 on magnet to put on a gas-guzzler which increases USA dependence on foreign oil" (In my own words) ~ I LOVE YOUR HONESTY and in light of the recent Oil Spill (2010) in the Gulf, I wish more people would actually HEAR your message! Ironically, the black goo will be washing up on the shores in the South but sadly, we will all pay the price for our ignorance.
UsweetLeilani 1 year ago
Bottom line is you can laugh at a joke or not laugh at a joke. While I'm not a fan or follower of Larry the Cable Guy, admittedly I chuckled a couple of times at his jokes. I've heard Steve Hofstetter's stand-up and now this. Just not funny or as intelligent as this guy would love us to think. So, rather than standing on a tiny soapbox with a point that no one gives a shit about, how about, you know, be a comedian and be FUNNY.
smartham 1 year ago
Wow that was funny. Thanks Steve. Really valid points. Honestly I only know a few Larry the cable fans, mainly because I have so few friends. The ones I do know though seem a little bit dumber and a little more racist than the average person I have come into contact with.
Blair0687 1 year ago
It's true, we get our oil from where our troops are being "supported."
gamrage 1 year ago
How come I'm seeing this now?
oprecha 1 year ago
I don't care about Larry the cable guy one iota but in this video you come off as a stuck up elitist. You remind me of this guy I know that annoys the shit out of me.
I can't fault you for being yourself but I'll skip your show tonight.
Minarchist33 1 year ago
@darake0 he is a COMEDIAN, but hes also human and if he believes in something AND he has the power to express, then by all means, express it.
bigpimpazz 2 years ago
Carol Combs thinks you are a barrel of laughs!!! Git -R - Done, Carol!!
hehundley 2 years ago
nice!
fauxman 2 years ago
im into all his material, king of black comedy!
hippymonk90 2 years ago
way to say it. ignorance should not make people rich, and in the real world, such slander teaches the uneducated bullshit. like all comedy its intended for intelligent viewers but i bet even dave chappelle taught some dumb brothas nasty shit bout white folk.
hippymonk90 2 years ago
He's a comedian, but he mocked larry in the cd he published, and people freaked it out because of it so hes explaining himself. I believe haha
thelivingsped 2 years ago
in my opinion comedy is things that are funny.
whether or not they are moral, they are still comedians xD
not to say i disagree with you on all things that you mentioned, i just think that comedy doesn't need to be discussed in the "is and isn't" manner.
darris321 2 years ago
6:26 - 6:42
That's not what Dan meant when he said, "You're reading into it too much," Steve. He meant that you're mentioning a problem where there is none. Fans of Larry the Cable Guy, like myself, are much more intelligent than you give them credit for. We absolutley know that we're being made fun of, but that's what makes Larry such a talented comedian--he can get us laughing at ourselves! We're not so dumb as to think that he's "a great hero." He's just funny. That's all!
TheShockMaster 2 years ago
I would love to believe you. But read the hundreds of comments from your fellow fans to this very video. And you will see that you are unfortunately the exception to the rule.
thehofstetter 2 years ago
omfg. wtf? stop talking shit about larry! if you dont have anything nice to say about someone, dont say anything at all!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! get a fucking life u piece of shit!!!!! ur just jealous cuz u r not as good as him. u call larry ignorent!? ur the ignorent one! i hope u get ur ass killed u son of a bitch!
xpotatoezx 2 years ago
You do realize the irony of saying "If you don't have anything nice to say don't say anything at all," while trashing someone in the same post right?
foozdood 2 years ago
Lmfao you're wicked funny.
thelivingsped 2 years ago
Your logic, is exactly what this video is about! You call him ignorant, then demand he should be beaten for his views, if you don't have something nice to say? Don't say it all? "ur the ignorent one! i hope u get ur ass killed u son of a bitch! " You really sure you have any clue what your talking about? Or do you 100% enjoy being a moronic mumbling idiot.
keynan0000 2 years ago
anyone else notice dr. pepper is made in texas and is hard to find in a lot of northern states?
rockyreiter06 2 years ago
I see it all the time and I live in mass
thelivingsped 2 years ago
really? i didnt see it anywhere when i was up there, but i was only there for a few days. so ill take your word for it :)
rockyreiter06 2 years ago
Wait...Larry the Cable Guys Not really a Cable Guy?
jpgalvitron 2 years ago
good job thanks,,,,
kymberly333 2 years ago
XXXZSOZO, Steve was just at my college this weekend, and he was easily twice as funny as that dumb fatass, so maybe you should stfu and go sip on a beer and hit a woman.
McJiZzLo 2 years ago
he was in my community in upstate NY hysterical. his joke about being a douche nd stupidity made me laugh for the last week.
xXDANEILIOXx 2 years ago
Oh my God... you are telling me... that joke at my University exploded the room in laughter.... it was probably my favorite joke of th enight :)
McJiZzLo 2 years ago
STFU Steve Hofstetter and stop overselling yourself on the internet. It's REALLY annoying! If you're funny your career will work itself out. Stop trying to use Larry the cable guy's success for your own self propagation. Your a smug, annoying, talentless, hack. For the love of god please stop your shameless self promotion!
xxxzoso 2 years ago
shut up redneck.
xXDANEILIOXx 2 years ago
xxzoso doesn't sound like a redneck at all. I would also assume he agrees with everything steve said in the video, as do I. Every point Steve makes is 100% correct. The video does however promote his career (40,955 views)
mbob67 2 years ago
This is awesome. Thanks.
cyberhouserulz 2 years ago
Great work.
VDBL
rgerholdt 2 years ago
Larry the Cable Guy is awful. You had some really good points, particularly when you defined a comic and his role in society. If we had more comics like you in the mainstream people like this wouldn't make it past straight to dvd sucsess.
WAMFtroupe 2 years ago 16
@WAMFtroupe Yes, they would.
LookieLoudLou 6 months ago
right on.. you just gained yourself a big fan today who had never heard of you before :)
PRCadv3rsary 2 years ago
Couldn't agree more.
Catenabi 2 years ago
he does have a point about that Git-R-Done Fer God sign
n64tolkien 2 years ago
just curious, whats your opinion on louis ck?
ddemaree07 2 years ago
Love him. I believe he's one of the better comics out there.
thehofstetter 2 years ago
I'm for Steve here. When a parody turns into a symbol of the people he is doing a parody of, well, that's just sad.
DakotasVideos 2 years ago
Waaa Waaaa Waaa!!!
Cry all you want, Larry (Dan) makes money. You don't.
People tend not to find self important assholes funny. Or want to pay to see them. I enjoy Larry, I find you irritating. I'll pay to see Larry. You, I send you free utube comments.
Stammon 2 years ago
larry is alright, this guy needs to shut the fuck up.
TheGodKingSatanX 2 years ago
May the truth be set free LMAO!!!!!
michaelddyck 2 years ago
Great video, Steve. Very funny.
mandolinroad 2 years ago
Aside from this video, he only talks about Larry for 3 minutes in "Cure for the Cable Guy", so that makes only 10 minutes of his material making fun of Larry. Making fun of Larry may have gained him some fame, but what really got his name out there were his friend quests on Facebook, and later, Myspace, and that was before he even mentioned him.
mlane120 2 years ago
It's kinda sad when a comedian is so unfunny, that he has to base his entire act on attacking a very successful comedian.
Kodiak333 3 years ago
He doesn't base his entire act on attacking Larry, and you wouldn't know that because you haven't seen his act beyond this video.
mlane120 2 years ago
Ok thats fine, but he does base a portion part of his act on Larry. I'm sure the part about Larry is what he's most famous for (isn't the cover of one of his cd's a little Larry doll with a noose around his neck?). So either way he's basing enough of his act on Larry that if Larry wasn't so successful, he wouldn't be nearly as well known.
Kodiak333 2 years ago
that's not his fault, that's other people's fault, and doesn't take away the fact that Larry is supposed to be a satirical character
n64tolkien 2 years ago
A comedians #1 job is: to make people laugh
In this respect, this video has failed miserably.
An ideological propagandist's #1 job is : "to find something questionable about society and to pick it apart using...(fill in your own blank)"
Is Larry the Cable Guy anymore offensive than Martin Lawrence? Or Carlos Mencia? Or Lewis Black?
I would say "no" because he isn't trying to "make you think"....he's trying to make you laugh.
And with greater success than you, sir. Don't be hatin'.
cognitivemagic 3 years ago
you might as well have an issue with the Simpsons or family guy,heck with the whole media which portrays fathers, as dumb fat, lazy slobs. Come to think of it you remind me very much of Frank Grimmes or "Grimmy" as homer use to called him.
Sucot 3 years ago 2
Hey man! Cheers to tonight's show at the University of Idaho. I'm wearing the Douche T-shirt tomorrow!
tylandal 3 years ago
Okay, Steve. Here's my dialogue. I can concede that Dan is a little reckless using negative stereotypes and that ANYONE who adopts his jokes as lifestyles was born an idiot. But answer me this:
1. Does what you're doing really qualify as a cause?
2. Is Dan being a treacherous shyster or does he see nothing wrong in what he's doing?
3. What redneck comedians do you like?
TheNeocatZone 3 years ago
P.S. There are redneck comedians who do not use negative stereotypes.
TheNeocatZone 3 years ago
1) Sure - "Larry" contributes to the dumb-ing down of America. That's a cause to rally against.
2) If you're asking whether or not he's aware, yes he is. His character used to be satire.
3) "Redneck" used to be a racial slur. If you're asking what southern or rural comedians I enjoy, Ron White is one of them. Blake Clark, Rodney Carrington, James Johann, Rich Ragains - plenty of good southern comics.
thehofstetter 3 years ago
1) Sure - "Larry" contributes to the dumb-ing down of America.
Mkay, well, I just personally would rather deal with, say, the War On Iraq first before I worry about Larry.
2) If you're asking whether or not he's aware, yes he is. His character used to be satire.
And do you think he sees anything wrong with that?
TheNeocatZone 3 years ago
P.S. I'm sorry. I meant to put quotations around your statements.
TheNeocatZone 3 years ago
The dumbing down of America is part of why we were at war. If we were smarter and better informed, we wouldn't have supported this effort (or re-elected Bush).
And yes, he knows. I addressed that in the very video you're replying to.
thehofstetter 3 years ago
The dumbing down of America is part of why we were at war.
Of which, as far as Ive been able to tell, Larry has played a miniscule role. What about Bill OReilly?
And yes, he knows.
So hes intentionally making fun of people he sees as idiots?
TheNeocatZone 3 years ago
I have written plenty about Bill O'Reilly, George Bush, Paris Hilton, and other horsemen of the apocalypse. You're just watching one video.
thehofstetter 3 years ago
Okay, my bad, I am only watching one video. My only point in the dialogue is compared to O'Reilly and Bush, Larry and Hilton are not that big of a worry to me and Larry certainly is being reckless, I just don't know that he's being nefarious.
TheNeocatZone 3 years ago
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THIS GUY SUCKS
rockinfireman95 3 years ago
Oh steve, that was worded PERFECTLY.
joeshmoekoolio 3 years ago
absolutely real and absolutely refreshing!
excellent reality check...sorry larry.
rowiton 3 years ago
Awesome.
tjtech12 3 years ago
well said, he has a unigue style and its serious, but then lightening when he makes a joke, well done
dogluverdanny 3 years ago
Well Said. This is truly a scathing and scintillating critique that should be taken seriously.
dougiefresh0155 3 years ago 5
He makes great points but it was somewhat painful listening to him. I don't know if that was bad acting or if he just talks like that but he sounds much better and more genuine during stand up.
RsnAngel 3 years ago
Dr. Pepper is a southern drink. Eek.
SeanOConnor 3 years ago
Actually, as a gay man, whenever I see Larry The Cable Guy in his flannel and jeans...I wanna tear that ass up.
sfvcubster 3 years ago
This comment has received too many negative votes show
i love how dumbasses like this guy think they're smarter than everyone else. larry has grossed 100 times the money as this douche but he still thinks hes funnier
lukekasten 3 years ago
Have you thought he might not be in it for the money? He did say something along the lines of being a comedian to get people to think about things they never really thought of before, maybe as comical or something to be taken seriously. Also, I would like to point out he probably is a hell of a lot smarter than you and even though he might not have as much money as Dan, seeing as Larry is a fictional person,he probably has more money than you. Just thought I would point that out. Peace
christofanelli 3 years ago 3
@lukekasten
He's obviously smarter than you, because your idea that one's personal wealth is any mark of their intellect makes you out to be one stupid motherfucker.
Wrathbone13 3 years ago 2
Lukekasten I think is a douche bag
One's personal wealth does show intellect. It doesn't mean the one with the most money is smartest, but your not going to be making a lot of money if you don't have some intelligence.
Pwnstar1988 3 years ago
Yes, more money means that you are a better and more talented person. According to the honorable Mr. Show, it is called Worthingtons law. George Bush has made more money than Albert Einstein ever did. It is clear who the real genius is. In fact, Bush is also a better artist than Van Gogh, a better writer than Ernest Hemingway and much more talented than Mozart. And what the heck, he is much funnier than Larry the Cableguy, since he has much more money.
Mrlzman 3 years ago
his name is larry he is going by his middle name thats what my parents
jhonnynohe 3 years ago
yeah!!! well put..
omgmnre2 3 years ago
my ear hurts
youraloser990 3 years ago
Everybody plays to an audience and that is all Steve and Larry are doing.
They are out for laughs and to be the center of attention.
That's all we YouTubers and successful entertainers are: attention-seeking, wanna-be-fawned-over-flaccid-support-beams that will crumble when the next generation of earth-shattering attention seekers come along.
This time in life is fleeting, so enjoy it as it lasts.
opinionhead444 3 years ago 2
All respect, but I feel this whole 'dialogue' is an example of how divided we've become in the US. We're so split between the left & anyone remotely close & the right (same there). I think singling out Dan for being full of shit & taken seriously by his fans is just one out of many. "Larry" is not the 1st fictional persona taken too seriously while the person playing the part counts their money; Marilyn Manson, 50 Cent, Eminem. All made up for financial gain. How about bashing them?
Wrathbone13 3 years ago
I'm a fan of both Steve and Larry. Sometimes I prefer dumb jokes, and sometimes I'm in the mood for witty satire.
Penguator432 4 years ago
Also, more broadly, God help "the thinking man" if this is supposed to be his comic. Dorothy Parker must be doing backflips in her grave.
danielsh 4 years ago
My personal distaste for Larry the Cable Guy aside, I'm too much of a prick to close this window without making three points:
1. This kind of comedy isn't exactly "fresh" either. And even if it had been born in Mr. Hofstetter, it's been imitated too many times to be any more interesting than Larry's schtick (which is less offensive than boring). I live on a college campus; the disaffected thing is done to death.
2. As disaffected snark goes, this is pretty blunt.
3. "Satire" is not a verb.
danielsh 4 years ago
I just discovered Hofstetter, and all I can say is - I love him. And I really love reading the comments in here too - it's nice to see all the positive, wellwritten responses. A rare thing on youtube.
All my respect to Hofstetter - from Denmark :)
s70rk 4 years ago
He's hilarious and this is real. =)
nolabunny69 4 years ago
I saw Steve live and thought he was great. I own a copy of his CD "Cure for the Cable Guy". I think it's great.Guess what... I'm going to see Larry the Cable guy in a couple of months. I agree with Steve and thats why I think Larry's funny; because I look at it in a satirical way.
pkabooshawn 4 years ago 2
Steve Hofstetter is a Classy and incredibly intelligent man, who I greatly respect for his ability to make rhetoric and argument into an enjoyable yet sensible thing.
Thanks Steve :]
Jesusduzparlortrickz 4 years ago
I agree with all of your points, except for one. Not to seem humorless, but the phrase "white trash" is just another way to demonize the poor and increase their invisibility. Human beings are never trash, despite their income, color, or even their behavior.
enohpesrep 4 years ago
That's noble of you, and I respect your modesty, but it simply is not true. There are lots of humans who are trash. I would give examples, but I think that despite your humbleness, that is something you already acknowledge.
Minacious 4 years ago
"There are some amazing people there. Because there are amazing people everywhere."
Thanks, Steve. <3 It's good to see someone who doesn't totally generalize about the south. You represent comedy with intelligence and style and I thank you for that. <3
fabifly 4 years ago 7
there's nothing like realistic, intellectual humour...this guy dots the "i" with class and accuracy...keep it up, Steve!
Alexurologista 4 years ago
Fabulous.
missalanius 4 years ago
Do your stuff ... that's the only way to promote respectable comedy. <Keep going..! And don't care about stupid people who enjoy Larry's "jokes".
anacristanchorocha 4 years ago
Wow..
Accd to chappelletheoryDOTcom, either he was very paranoid, or there really is a group called the Dark Crusaders consisting of Cosby, Opra, Jesse Jackson, Farrakhan, Whoopie, Sharpton, and R.L. Johnson that felt he was setting back the Black Steriotypes.
If only Rednecks were this Powerful (and Shortsighted).
Husker377 4 years ago
dave chappelle=fabulous, larry=terrible...One quits because he knew that his comedy wasnt coming off the way he wanted it to, the other cashes in on poop jokes...Steve I salute you for standing up against this garbage. For every good show on comedy central, there is an hour of Larry the cable guy...Keep proving the hacks in the business, and maybe sooner or later you can make an album called The Cure for Carlos Mencia
benjit24 4 years ago
Had to look up Chappelle here, too..Not unfunny, but didn't make me laugh out loud.
What did he Quit?
How did he want his comedy to come off? Funny?
Husker377 4 years ago
i think its awesome that a working comedian can finally put up a good argument for why idiots like larry the cable guy are on TV...its not about selling t-shirts, but making quality jokes..I'm sure Larry has plenty of money, but that means nothing since the only people who respect him are retards.
benjit24 4 years ago 3
Just watched your bit on Myspace adds..Better
But attacking Rednecks and other Larry Fans for finding Dan Whitney's depiction of them funny is like attacking Entomologists (and cows) for finding Gary Larson (Far Side) funny.
But thanks to Larry the Cable Guy, I just stumbled across you. (Smart tactic).
Husker377 4 years ago
this guy is awesome.
thecartoonhero87 4 years ago
i clicked on this cause i thought it would be funny but i just realized that this guy is an ass.
christianh03 4 years ago
yall stop hatin on larry the cable guy.
he's amazing and yall are just mad cause you're a bunch of frickin yanks
meghanlail777 4 years ago
damn right yanks. at least we won the civil war
deanthemack 4 years ago
yeah, you really know how to piss me off.
ask anyone with a history major...the north didn't win the war. the south signed the freaking treaty to end the bloodshed. we aren't weaker, just more intelligent.
meghanlail777 4 years ago
You really made me laugh. The day the southern states are more intelligent than the northern ones is the day I sprout wings and fly away to Neverland. You got you ass kicked. Admit it. Move on. Also, it's really hard to accept "intelligence" putdowns from a guy that starts a post with "yall"
quedasobravo 4 years ago
so now you're criticizing my grammar? i'm from the South and "yall" is part of our daily conversations. and i guarantee you i could kick your ass in any contest of intelligence. just because we talk different doesn't mean we're stupid.
meghanlail777 4 years ago
The fact that everybody says it doesn't make it correct grammar. And I'm glad to see you guarantee my defeat in a contest of intelligence with you. I'm so scared I'm actually dictating this post to my brother while I curl up naked in the corner of my room, in shame. Also, you lost the civil war. I'm no history major, but when one side defends slavery and the war ends with it being abolished, I'm going to go ahead and make the wild assumption that they lost...