Aw. :( I remember when I used to follow this guy's videos during that whole period of time when I doubted back when I was still a Christian. And I relied so heavily on what he was saying and wanted so desperately to believe. And I realize now that this was actually what made me stop believing. That religion can take over you and you will not question it. You'll waste time debating how life was created and forget to actually live. :/
(I wish it was possible to leave messages longer than 500 characters... My argument in its entirety was soooo compelling that you would have gone back to being an atheist. Nah, really ! I swear on the Cross!
@SolDeSaBelle You'd be wasting your time, because this idiot will never change his mind. Maybe he never was an atheist and he just said that to appeal to some weak-minded agnostics.
@Triipticz Of course i do. He's not going to convince an atheist with his fallacious arguments and he doesn't have to convince theists because they already believe in it. On the other hand, some weak-minded agnostics can be convinced.
@TheAssesKicker It is logically wrong to be a theist or an atheist. The only rational conclusion that one can come to is that one can not know whether there is a god or not.
@Triipticz Really? I've never seen someone say that the only rational conclusion that one can come to is that one can't know whether i have a pink intelligent dog that speaks to me in English or not.
@Triipticz If you do truly believe that my pink intelligent dog that speaks in English could possibly exist, then you're very delusional. If something is very unlikely to exist, you can dismiss it altogether and doing so is a rational conclusion.
@TheAssesKicker It could possibly exist but the chances are extremely small. If something is unlikely exist you can dismiss it but must be open to the possibility of it's existence.
@Triipticz There aren't any evidence and it is very unlikely that he exists, therefore I'm an atheist. I don't know who told you that atheists would never become theists if somehow science proved the existence of god. I'm also pretty sure that I've met christians who were atheists.
@TheAssesKicker Regardless of whether you would become theist or not if the existence of god was proven, you cannot possibly be an atheist as you simply do not know if god exists. Nevertheless, god's existence is extremely unlikely. It's easier for one to say that they are an atheist and not agnostic so that religious people don't get confused. However, technically one can only be an agnostic.
@Triipticz Not really. Atheists don't believe in god, while agnostics don't claim to believe or disbelieve in god. By your logic, we don't know if the majority of people in australia don't have an australian accent because we didn't hear every one of them speak. The chance that they have an australian accent is very high, therefore it is safe to assume that the majority speak with an australian accent.
@TheAssesKicker Yes you can make the assumption that something is true based on surveys or what not pointing towards a certain "fact." However, you cannot assume something is not true due to the lack of evidence supporting its existence.
@TheAssesKicker If you're going to make the claim that God doesn't exist, you need evidence to support that claim. Making an argument solely on lack of evidence from the other side is not an argument. The reason we don't believe in Santa is not due to a lack of evidence for his existence, it's because we have evidence that Santa does not exist. This is the flaw of Atheism, they can't provide evidence against God's existence, all they can do is say there is a lack of evidence for his existence.
@camilo101 Which is exactly the point. Just imagine the following: You claimed that god exists, i told you to provide some evidence, you didn't provide any, so i simply didn't believe in him. You're the one who should prove it because you're the one making that claim. i can't disprove a negative.
@TheAssesKicker Venom gives plenty of evidence in his vids, I'm guessing you only click on them to troll not watch. We have evidence for God, but you refuse to accept it. However you don't have evidence that God does not exist, you have nothing but a negative, maybe that is why Atheists are so negative? As for the dog, there is no evidence for it knowing English, but we have evidence that dogs are incapable of speaking man's languages, however they do have some intelligence and can be dyed pink.
@camilo101 Also, could you please prove to me that my pink intelligent dog that speaks in English doesn't exists? You can't? Does that mean you have to be skeptical about it? No, if you are, then you are either mentally challenged or very delusional.
It's not that "we shouldn't say that the Bible's author is God, as Science has proven that there IS NO GOD", but rather "we shouldn't say that the Bible's author is God, as it has already been established by Historians and Historians of religion that the authors of the Bible were middle-eastern men, who mostly ripped it off Babylonian an Canaanite myths".
The author is already known. The fact that there is no God has not much to do with the book's authorship.
Lets say you and I were walking down the street and we found a 100$ bill. I claim that I know how it got there. It was a unicorn that transformed and suddenly evolved wings and it was during this process this 100$ bill was created and the unicorn just left it there and went on with his day. surely you don't know how the 100$ got there but will you not find me silly for believing that something like this had to happened for the 100$ bill to appear? I'd like your thoughts on this, love your vids!
@Thunderharald The problem is that there is no necessary reason to believe the dollar, from the evidence, must have been left by a unicorn. On the other hand, the attributes of God are necessary attributes for His role of Creation, and necessary of a Creator.
@CarlosMarti123 the way I see it, there could possibly have been the Christian god who created the universe. But I also don't think that it had to be god who created it all, so in my opinion we can not come to a clear conclusion.
Thanks for commenting but I'm no longer convinced by the bible but I'm glad that you still have faith.
As some people have commented, it is possible to say that if we can never find evidence of a purpose, then there is no reason to suppose that there is a purpose. This is in stead of supposing that there isn't a purpose.
@ImStillBlind Perhaps he means not directly testable. Science is about being able to test and verify. You can test for the chemical compostion of the paints used, the type of canvas used, the style in which the painting was done, and verification would be from others doing the same tests. What you can't test is the intent or the reason of the painting because the creation is subjective to it's creator. After that I'm lost lol
I just want to address that point you made about the waterfall.
No, you're still wrong. "Beauty" is still just a word and obviously extremely subjective to boot. For something to be objectively beautiful, that means it IS whether you see it or not. For example, you're a human, you call that beautiful. But what if an non-human animal saw that waterfall? Is it beautiful to them? NO! Because they don't have the cognitive capacity to grasp the concepts involved. NOTHING is objectively beautiful.
@xtremeguy1 CS lewis started out life as a believer then as a child due to untimely family deaths became angry at the universe and became and atheist and then became a staunch defender of Christianity till his death, even though he lost his wife later on to cancer. He has a book that lays bare his struggles emotional and logical when he lost his wife but also talks about how in the end if one does not simply act like e petulant child that one can become closer to god through Tragedies.
For that second comment, yes Gods creation was stolen. Stolen by man who thought, "yes I'm the top animal the world is mine." we need to see that God made the world for his own purpose.
@xtremeguy1 The same argument could be made for children who are in abusive homes. My parents had me for a specific purpose, and that is to beat me. I should accept my position, having been created with this intent in mind. Assuming god made us, that does not give him permission to commit immoral actions against us or command with supreme authority anymore then i get supreme authority over my children, whats wrong is wrong and whats right is right regardless who made who or why.
I have a problem with your "murder" argument - is murder really wrong? Is it wrong to defend your country by e.g. fighting nacis to prevent them from taking over your country and killing you and everyone you know? By not murdering them, you are harming *your* society - and that may be considered as immoral by many.
Have more than enough evidence to dismiss his claims outright for the clear conflict it has with the facts of the painting. Also, murder isn't OBJECTIVELY wrong, its subjectively wrong. However murder isn't benefitual to a social animal, so they, we, look down upon it as negative.
The bible is different from the painting. Historical records conflict with the statements of what was occurring at the time, where as there is clear structure in place for the universe to form naturally, paint and canvas are things that aren't formed naturally. Furthermore, the bible claims things happened in a certain way, for example, adam and eve, though the genetic inbreeding would've destroyed the human race. If someone claims to have painted an oil painting with watercolours, then we pt1
Sean, I'm a relative newcomer to your videos so please forgive me if you've already answered this: What's your purpose in doing all these videos? What's driving you to do them? Seriously? You obviously have a decent head on your shoulders, but why the need to transmit your views and engage in all the argument that follows?
@ToothpickMcBrainy You do realise Hitler put his picture infront of a wooden cross to force people to worship him right? they cant have been christians.
"I say: my feeling as a Christian points me to my Lord and Saviour as a fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded only by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and summoned men to the fight against them and who, God's truth! was greatest not as sufferer but as fighter."-Hitler
He seems to have encouraged religious belief in his followers, and to have no reservations about calling himself Christian. Don't No True Scotsman me, boyo.
The argument uses the scientific method of induction. I am assuming you are familiar with inductive and deductive proofs. All coded information we know of is created. We infer coded information comes from a mind. This can be easily toppled just by showing ONE example of code created by naturalistic processes.
« how you believe it presents proof of creating life randomly? »
I doubt that he really believes such a thing. I think it more likely that this is yet another one of your transparent intentional misrepresentations. But in case it is not intentional, I advise you to re-read the relevant comments.
@XGralgrathor No I was asking him if he had a religious mind or a scientific mind. Please let me ask people questions without pointing out such flaws thank you.
DNA is not a code in the same sense that a messaging code is a code. The word 'code' is used as an analogy in this case.
« ALL codes come from intelligent mind »
All messaging codes come from an intelligent mind, since a message is a bit of meaningful information exchanged between intelligences. DNA is not meaningful information exchanged between intelligences.
You could give a certain degree of confidence that you are the creator of the painting, and as such that you are privy to the true purpose of the painting. You could create a picture of similar caliber. This would be the scientific method, we use science to gain a degree of certainty about what's around us.
As a side point, you mention that god sent his son as a sacrifice to save us. You ignore that we need saving from his policy (i.e. to hell until you believe Jesus died to save you.)
You speak of teleology and science's inability to perceive it. And yet, at the same time, you offer no other means of discovering intent or purpose. The obvious limitations of science do not allow you to base your arguments on absolutely nothing.
If you paid any attention in your philosophy of science class, you would have realized fairly quickly that the field doesn't justify bald assertions. Philosophy of science is about discerning the limits of what we can know as human beings.
Good and evil are abstractions based on what we find as desirable and undesirable as a culture or society. It's not objective. Murder is not objectively evil because that would mean *nothing*.
@jaykgrey So tell me then Jaykgrey. What reason should I have to believe in Science when all I can do is test, repeat and observe what ONLY is right infront of me and what possibly could be out in space like Dark Matter for example?
Your question makes no sense to me, but perhaps I'm reading it wrong; you don't believe in science, science is used as a method of discovering objective truth. At that rate, science is what discovered Dark Matter... so...
Read it over, dude. It can be *observed*. There's more to life than the 5 senses, or any sense of man. We can measure and record all sorts of data external to our own in such a way that we can interpret it -- things like UV light. Then we utilize reason and its extensions -- mathematics, physics, whatever.
Again: Science has discovered dark matter. Science. Has. Discovered. Dark matter. Reason. Logic. I won't repeat it further -- if you're that perplexed, I suggest Wikipedia.
@jaykgrey UV light is created from an object we can look at. That involves 1 of the 5 senses.
"Reason. Logic" Show me the logic. I don't see how something can just be created and not seen and then people tell ME that my religion is wrong when Science test repeats and observes certain things that don't exist by human eyes.
Short answer: it didn't. Dark matter is a term for a gravitational influence that can't be accounted for considering only the matter that can be observed. There is no comprehensive explanation for what causes this effect as yet.
@XGralgrathor So tell me, how can it be accounted for and observed? really, I am interested. I figured it was in the dark reaches of space or so I was told.
« So tell me, how can it be accounted for and observed? »
Are you word-blind? I just explained to you in plain language that it isn't. Dark matter is just the collective term for whatever causes the effect. It is not a claim about the nature of what causes the effect.
@XGralgrathor You call me asking questions about what you believe whining? Wow you're more delusional than your beliefs. Oh and trying to patronise me with "kid" was a really sour touch even for you.
You can test hypotheses about that which is *not* right in front of you by testing the consequences of the hypothesised mechanism. This is how science works. This is how we learned what the most probably structure of the atom is. This is how we learned how gravitational fields probably bend spacetime and the light rays traveling through it. Most scientific knowledge we use today is inferred from observation, rather than observed directly.
Funny thing is that it may well be possible in the future for Science to tell us the intentions of the painter. Investigation into how the brain works will likely lead us to the stage we could, with access to the painter, know of his intentions by reading his mind. Problem with God is that we don't have any evidence he exists & simple common sense tell us it's unlikely he does(at least in the forms commonly conceived of). First prove the invisible being, then start on what it's responsible for
@OlympicRudi How about First prove that there is life on other planets out of the Milky Way THEN you can go on about how God is apparently non existant.
"How about First prove that there is life on other planets out of the Milky Way THEN you can go on about how God is apparently non existant."
What the hell has that to do with my point? I never even mentioned life on other planets & why must it be out of the Milky Way? Whatever you think was the point of my post, you are soo far off that you don't even make sense. Even if you take your post on it's own, it's still nonsense.
@AllenWithrow You have a filthy heart. You need to become born again where God takes out your heart of stone and gives you one of flesh where you no longer have a filthy mouth or hate him. You have broken God's Law and will perish in hell. God offers you a way out of your deserved punishment through Jesus Christ who shed his blood on the cross as a payment for sin. All he requires is repentance and faith. You're not ready to die and stand before God on judgment day. Repent sinner.
@VenomFangX Wait, so you don't believe in evolution, but you know your genetics... and you just confirmed that you know how the whole incest thing works. So how can you not believe in evolution if you know, understand, and fundamentally believe in the core concepts of it? You know, evolution starts and ends with genetic mutations that cause 'errors' in the code. That's it.
@XHAWK77X You forgot, evolutionism requires the magic wand of "time". Of course we cant see it unless millions or billions of years pass. Even then we are without any objective evidence as we are now.
@PoliticalHell I'm sorry but tell me, what does 2 +2 = 4 have to do with what he said which was "if billions of years pass then we can observe it" I dont see how it's hypocritical considering he was talking about how your view works and you explained an unrelated example.
@XHAWK77X Have you ever heard of microevolution? Look it up, they've observed it in laboratories in microorganisms. Macroevolution can't be observed, since it happens over millions of years, but for what it's worth, all logical evidence points to it, all the clues add up, everything makes sense... on the other hand, you have the bible which generally makes no literal sense and has absolutely no evidence to support it. You tell me which is more believable.
@PoliticalHell Like I said, the magic wand of time along with the magic of spontaneous creation. Sorry, but your views makes no literal sense. I also suggest you not appeal to theism by saying there is no evidence which requires omniscience when you try to argue against it. Two sticks plus two sticks = 4 sticks?
@JesusforLife2 Two sticks and two sticks make four sticks, so we assume that two x plus two x make four x, even though we know nothing of x. Same concept.
a. Did you know that using primordial atmospheric gasses, scientists synthesized organic molecules by adding electricity (aka lightning)?
b. If we didn't evolve, why are there patterns of consistent change throughout millions of years of remains? Why do the tips of our spines resemble tails? Why are we so similar in behavior to chimps?
You can say "god felt like it", wherein lies the problem that you still have no proof that there is a god, or you can stop ignoring the fundamental clues that just scream for logical connections. I don't know how much you understand about biology, genetics, or science in general, though I feel as if it would be unwise to talk about it unless you knew at least the basics, but it takes devoted ignorance to deny that there are compelling patterns. They are obvious and not hard to understand.
@lifeishooey LOL you're quite insecure aren't you? Why do you think there's an entire branch of Anthropology devoted to studying primates? I'm sorry if you can't accept that you have similarities with other organisms on the planet, but I have a news flash for you, you might be intellectually superior to them, but not so much physically. Try fighting a bear. If you're so much better, I dare you to win (naked, btw).
@PoliticalHell Not at all! I am quite secure in WHO I am and WHERE I came from. Did you not know that we humans share DNA with EVERYTHING that grows from the ground and every living land beast that is on the earth? Furthermore, there is an entire branch of anthropologists because many feel the need to be self important and claim to know something the rest of the world doesn't. And the wise shall be made fools. Bottom line, my father was not a razor back, sorry
@PoliticalHell There's more evidence supporting the Bible than Evolution. The Bible has many fulfilled prophesies. It actually predicted Darwin. And micro-evolution isn't the adding of new genetic information, nor is it beneficial to the organism. Mutations Scramble, not add information, and are harmful. Also, Evolution can't happen because it would need anything inferior instantly die off. In reality an organism fit to survive will survive even if there is a more fit organism somewhere else.
@XHAWK77X So did Nostradamus (fulfilled prophesies, if you interpret it the right way).
Microevolution is very beneficial to the organism, that's actually how super-bacteria form and why you should get a new flu shot every year.
If you knew anything about how genetics work... there are only 4 bases, and their sequence determines the outcome. So yes, scrambling them is essentially the same as adding new information.
It helps people survive against malaria. Genetics at work, not god (who by your argument invented malaria).
Do you know anything about how ecosystems work? The food chain? There is no "inferior" organism per say... things work in synergy in nature, not just the superior eats the inferior. An organism not fit to survive will adapt or die.
This is the problem, people that don't know the first thing about biology try to claim that their argument is better.
@AgentVamp Same way you know god created the world 6k years ago even though you didn't see it happen... only small difference is the fact that there's evidence that supports the theory (fossils, DNA markers, bone structure, behaviors, environmental effects). Oh, and there's no evidence against it, contrary to some other theories that I'm not going to name... (god).
@VenomFangX It's like sympathy. We don't feel bad for other people because of a belief or a religion, but because it's deep in our core. We're built that way. The same can be said to apply to a general social scale. We are programmed to understand certain things - instincts - that drive us to be compatible with others in our species, and allow the species as a whole to survive in social circumstances as a result. Just as a wolf usually wouldn't kill another wolf, a man does not kill another man.
@PoliticalHell Isn't it grand how God created the human and the wolf? How He gave independence to man to think for himself and even establish the first democracy by allowing free thinking? His grace extends beyond barriers to where we are not robots, animals, but our own beings. Therefore, we are not accidents, nothing does not create nothing, intelligence is logic and creativity is inspiration, there are hearts, the soul, the human spirit, other dimensions, complexity beyond human's science. :)
@SRSone The problem is, your own conscience blinds you from the fact that everything you are is just a bunch of electrochemical signals running around in your synapses. The miracle of your existence as a human being is irrelevant to anything but your own mind. This may be a bit uninspiring, but your mind... everything you hear, see, do... your love, emotions, beliefs, are just the result of biology. Look beyond yourself, and see the patterns that created you, not the easy explanation.
@PoliticalHell The problem really is, you're speaking from your mind and your own understanding up to this point in your life. Why do you think the evolution theory will never be proven? It hasn't been and it's credibility lies below creationism, it's just a way to escape it. Revival is coming my friend, so don't waste your time defending something you are not even sure of. If scientist can't find it, you are highly unlikely to do so. There is nothing else to do but to hold hands on this one. ;)
@SRSone I don't get that argument. I know evolution is a theory, which by definition means it isn't fact. But it also means it's the best explanation there is and just as it hasn't been proven to fact, it has not been proven wrong by any better theory. My problem with your argument is that you're complaining how we can't prove evolution because it is beyond our ability to observe, yet you're claiming doubtless truth to something that can't only be proven, but even brought to logical sense.
@PoliticalHell Well there lies the problem, you think somehow 'evolution' is the "best" explanation. I mean you clearly watch TV, no doubt about that. You know what I learned hangin' out with some punk friends in my young life? You don't let other's opinion (or 'research') brainwash you. You just don't. Don't be so easily influenced, I can see you haven't had a real dose of who God really is yet, but not because of that you're just gonna throw everything else out the tube, I invite you to learn.
@SRSone Though admittedly subtly, I had been asking you to teach me per say this whole time. Thus far you've only said that evolution is stupid and that I don't understand god, but gave no reasoning. I want reasons, so convince me. I won't ever understand if you just say "that's the way it is" because in my mind, I can't live with that answer. I need the why, hence I invite you to teach me.
@PoliticalHell The problem is that this is not exactly the spot you want to learn the gospel, around fights and arguments. I really appreciate it that you're kinda opening a bit to give it a chance, but if you ask me, I would much rather prefer you get the full experience at a local evangelical church, with all your senses. Otherwise, I assure you anything expanded here will turn in an argument. Give it a try! Go this sunday :D
you get the same common sense result: They cannot be proven to exist because no one has brought evidence forward. I did not use the scientific method for that conclusion. Nothing was tested, repeated, none of that.
also, one more thing, and i hope you could address this as i am interested in your response:
The scientific method is not required in every circumstance to prove or disprove something. For example i can disprove that you are black based on photos, your current skin pigment, an simply looking at you. What i mean is that i don't need a scientific approach to the God theory to disprove it if you will.
If you put God into the catagorie of unicorns, lochness monsters, and bigfoot
Lets consider your point about the reason behind the creation of the painting.
For teh lulz, lets say god (judeo christian yaweh guy) created our universe for the purpose of a guinea pig for creating others, to work out flaws. It's true, the scientific method cannot prove that intention, however you cannot prove that intention either Shaun. His real purpose could have been that he was bored one day and he needed something to do, but we will never know this because we cannot communicate with him
*man is the author of the bible (which means religion, "god", jesus, santa claus etc),
*"god" is a human fantasy (like your flower caught in a spiderweb),
*"god" did not make man in his image, man made god in his image (notice! not "her image") therefor "god"/jesus is a man's interpretation (paintings), not "god"/jesus themselfs
conclusion: shaun, you lack knowleadge of the human mind, and it's nature.
Hello VenomFangX. I'm a subscriber of yours who would like to voice an opinion on your vids as a whole. I enjoy watching your vids very much. I admire your disarming / calm demeanor, along with your humerous / revealing personal takes. Plus your scenic backdrops are quite aesthetic. But above all that I am pleased that your vids cut straight to the heart of the matters at hand. I think you're providing a fine example of decent socio-internet interation. Q: Have you ever considered Catholicism?
Venomfangx, it's clear that you've continued to evolve your debate style; rather than letting your opponents take the nil position, you have started from the neutral and placed the burden of proof on the opposition to demonstrate the validity of their position. It's a great method to build up to your own points later.
You bring up a good point in this video, Science and Religion are two entirely different things. Science will never yield evidence for or against God, that is a totally different set of tools.
@CMO999 For now anyway. If you look at history, you'll find a consistent recurring pattern, as science evolves, religion fades. As new things become known to humanity, old beliefs die, and new foundations for cultures are formed. As they say, history repeats itself. It's only a matter of time until modern religion becomes rejected by our society. Steven Hawking gave it 200 years, I think.
@PoliticalHell Steven Hawking also says something can come from nothing - "the Universe can and will create itself from nothing. Spontaneous creation is the reason there is something rather than nothing, why the Universe exists, why we exist.”
I think ill stick to God's word the Bible. Also funny how you use the word miracle.
Unlike religious or spiritual groups Atheism is not a group in which follows a universal standard or belief system. The broad definition of Atheism states the disbelief in a god or creator of the universe. Therefore I think it dangerous to group one set of ideas to Atheism. You could ask several Atheists what they feel and believe about certain issue and although they would be broadly similar they are not exactly the same enough to group them in a way a you group..
@gmcjetpilot Amazing! In reply to a criticism of your ranting and raving, what do we get? More ranting and raving!!! With wildly incorrect assumptions and a leech-like attempt to construe the credibility of your wife's achievements as your own!!! It just doesn't get better than this!!! You're proving my point better than I ever could... Thank you! The "19" is for my birth date. I'm 40. Just listen to yourself! Do you actually think yours is the behavior of an emotionally balanced adult?
"Do you actually think yours is the behavior of an emotionally balanced adult?"
Dear Jason, I don't know you, but YOU WROTE ME FIRST.
"Wow... it's like you can actually hear the medication imbalance."
So don't be a little punkass hypocrite. You go around trolling Christians to antagonize and provoke them, and when they defend their self and throw it back, you WHINE like a baby. Save your self righteous indignation toll. PS I blocked your harassing PM messages. Bye!
Well OK then..... For the record: 1. There was one PM response to a post directed at me that was so nasty it was deleted. 2. I have never insulted or antagonized anyone for their Christianity (unless you consider debate an insult) I insulted his behavior, not religion. He's making it into something it never was. 3. Calling someone a troll does not make it so; acting as he has, does. 4. This from a man who' s shown nothing but a screed of unfounded, self-righteous indignation? Pure, Lunacy.
Oh, Yeah.... 5. This also from a man who calls himself a Christian, yet deems it necessary to keep a text based "flipping the bird/middle finger" picture on hand for responding to people he dislikes. I suppose now I'll be accused of insulting Christianity by pointing out how "un-Christian" behavior like that is? I may disagree with their beliefs, but there are many fine Christians; gmcjetpilot isn't one of them. It's not about religion for him, it's his excuse to vent his incidental anger.
This isn't about Christianity/Atheism for gmcjetpilot; it's about defense of his own stupidity. We've got him assuming reactions (e.g. waa waaa, shocked etc.) that never happened, framing an accurate recounting of his bad behavior as if it were anything but and flinging insults that would only bother an adolescent. Typical bully ignorance. But if you really want to get into it gmcjetpilot, OK: goaway35@verizon.net..... we can talk about this in person.
No I don't take "medication", only a one-a-day vitamin and aspirin. Let me guess, you're 19, know everything, live with mommy, a smart ass punk who declares you're an ATHEIST! Waa waa. You're ignorant of religion & world events. My pediatrician doctor wife sees kids like you. The parents beg her to drug their kids, with Zoloft, Prozac, Paxil. You needed a good old ass whooping long ago, you spoiled brat punk. May be some Meds would help you, but step away from the bong boy.
A pathetic false definition of atheism, Oh we sweet passive Atheists just don't believe in God, God's or religion. That's nice, and Islam is a "religion of peace"? We have EYES & EARS, see what you Atheists say & do. Deal with facts, Atheism is a subversive militant sub-culture, a cult often associated with the political agenda of the: far left, secularist, homosexual, pro-abortion, communist, socialist, anarchist. THAT'S WHO YOU ARE & your anti-Christ CULT is. Don't sugar coat it.
@gmcjetpilot Oh don't get your panties in a wad! I find it funny that you think that "Atheism" is some sort of cult or that everyone who is an Atheist must be communist. I think you have been severely sheltered during your life and see people who are not like you to be a bad thing (all the groups you listed in your comment). You also have some serious conspiracy ideas in your head about Atheists, we arnt out to get you now settle down.
Atheists are too stupid to organize, like herding cats. You stand for nothing but yourself, think the universe revolves around your anus, rebelling children, amateur anarchist, contrary for kicks, or it's a secular liberal political homogay agenda. No worries you'll lose! If you want to wear woman's panties that's your business kid, but stay away from my kids pervert. Spew you anti-freedom of religion/speech bigotry you'll get pounded back into your subculture hole, where u belong.
Still Vulgur! I love me some cheetohs! Seriously shawn, this guys just being vulgur, why don't you delete this comment? Its nothing but volgurness and has nothing to do with the debate.
"I think you have been severely sheltered during your life....."
I hate conspiracy theorist. Don't straw man me boy, I THINK YOU ARE...blah blah. I grew up all over Europe, USA, went to college in New Orleans. Seattle, travel the WORLD w/ the airlines. I've worked, socialized with all kinds of people. Youtube isn't just a forum just for 16-20 yr old boys. Listen & learn! I have more education, more life experience and know Jesus. I'm WAY ahead of you. You lost kid. You're a bigot!
Murder is murder, right is right, wrong is wrong. Let's not mix them up. Only when you see the whole picture can you even hope to get a glimpse of if it's right or wrong. And I want to introduce that something might be inconclusive, or somewhere in between.
Sometimes there is no right, only less wrong. And yeah, if someone was going to try to kill me, and I killed them in self defense, I think I'd feel justified with that. I probably wouldn't think it was right. But certainly not wrong.
We can learn about the painter's intentions because he ACTUALLY EXISTS and can communicate his intentions.
If God existed, he could also clearly communicate his intentions (he's omnicient and omnipotent, right?).
The Bible is so unclear that believers have splintered into thousands of competing sects. It is full of contradictions, historical and clerical errors, and often advocates a barbaric moral code.
Wouldn't you expect more from a book written or inspired by God?
"If God existed, he could also clearly communicate his intentions "
God has, the BIBLE, read it.
"splintered into thousands of competing sects"
False exaggeration and hyperbole. Christians follow CHRIST. Humans screw up religion no Jesus.
"advocates a barbaric moral code."
That is a FALSE LIE... Love thy neighbor and enemy, we are all equal, sins, forgive and faith in Jesus is not barbaric. You are a philistine and spewing ignorance. We are not old testament days.
That's a lot less than THOUSANDS! LOL! FAIL! Also they all have something in common, Jesus Christ and the BIBLE! There are many small differences between them, but as long as YOU and I focus on JESUS CHRIST, Salvation is THROUGH FAITH ALONE in Jesus Christ, we will have ever lasting life. I can assure you God doesn't want different denominations, but again people screw things up. Stop being a troll, it is no way to go through life.
YOU MISSED THE POINT & didn't watch or understand VFX's video. It's irrelevant there are different Christian denominations. God did not say Protestants argue w/ Catholics. Atheists have unrealistic STANDARDS expecting Christians and to be PERFECT! VFX screwed up, SEE SEE! Sorry we're sinners! No religion is perfect because it has SINFUL PEOPLE IN IT. I see small, even large (man made) problems w/ every Christian denominations, BUT THE MESSAGE IS TRUE, FAITH IN JESUS CHRIST SAVES.
@gmcjetpilot i wasn't responding to the point made in his video you moron! I was responding explicitly to an argument that you were having! I wasn't responding to the petty arguments in his videos, i was responding to your assertion that Christianity is only about Jesus and that all the christians are like minded and get along, which is obviously not true.
you know, you should google something. "venomfangx encyclopediadramatica" read that. you might understand where im coming from a bit more.
@PJDolan1 The Bible is clear and easy to understand, but there are those who do not know God and follow Satan who purposefully confuse what is clear and obvious. These are called false-teachers and scripture-twisters who usually do so for their own agendas. A true Christian can spot them very easily, but someone outside the church like yourself would obviously be very confused because you neither know God or the Bible. That's how Satan works, he is a deceiver and misleads people.
@VenomFangX Your assertions that the "Bible is clear and easy to understand" and that those inside the Church are not confused by the Bible are demonstrably false.
If your assertions were true, there wouldn't be so many competing sects with different interpretations of the Bible.
Christians are often confused and misinformed about the Bible. In fact, The Pew Forum's U.S. Relgious Knowledge Survey demonstrated that atheists and agnostics know more about religion than do believers.
@ 4:06, you could annalyze the painting technique, brush stroke paterns, ect...., to determain a pretty good guess on who the artist was if you could campare it to other paintings. it might not be entirely right but it could aid in tyhe investigation. just a point
dang i came to your channel looking for good arguments aginst atheism, or more appropriately stand alone arguments FOR the existance of a god. so far i see none here. i started with your video how to make an atheists head explode. you don't properly understand the big bang theory.... argue against it fine.... but argue against it after you read it.
Selective perception and memory, a desire for easy answers, confusion between causation an correlation, exposure to wrong information, misunderstanding and misuse of statistics, misrepresentation, exaggeration, confusion, ignorance of their own brain's working and bias are the favorite weapons of the ignorant
Aw. :( I remember when I used to follow this guy's videos during that whole period of time when I doubted back when I was still a Christian. And I relied so heavily on what he was saying and wanted so desperately to believe. And I realize now that this was actually what made me stop believing. That religion can take over you and you will not question it. You'll waste time debating how life was created and forget to actually live. :/
WynnterReverie 3 months ago
Amen brother! Keep up the good work and don't let anyone (regardless of their beliefs) get you down!
raeknight79 11 months ago
GREAT VIDEO!
You are verbalizing alot of what I have thought about fair amount of time now. I think you are really getting to a bit of heart of it now.
Thanks for the efforts!
As long as we keep trying, we can not fail.
GladTidingsPromise 11 months ago
(I wish it was possible to leave messages longer than 500 characters... My argument in its entirety was soooo compelling that you would have gone back to being an atheist. Nah, really ! I swear on the Cross!
Ha ha ha :D)
SolDeSaBelle 11 months ago
@SolDeSaBelle You'd be wasting your time, because this idiot will never change his mind. Maybe he never was an atheist and he just said that to appeal to some weak-minded agnostics.
TheAssesKicker 5 months ago
@TheAssesKicker You obviously don't know what an agnostic is.
Triipticz 4 months ago
@Triipticz Of course i do. He's not going to convince an atheist with his fallacious arguments and he doesn't have to convince theists because they already believe in it. On the other hand, some weak-minded agnostics can be convinced.
TheAssesKicker 4 months ago
@TheAssesKicker It is logically wrong to be a theist or an atheist. The only rational conclusion that one can come to is that one can not know whether there is a god or not.
Triipticz 4 months ago
@Triipticz Really? I've never seen someone say that the only rational conclusion that one can come to is that one can't know whether i have a pink intelligent dog that speaks to me in English or not.
TheAssesKicker 4 months ago
@TheAssesKicker That is correct. It is very improbable that there is no god. However, one cannot say that there is no god.
Triipticz 4 months ago
@Triipticz If you do truly believe that my pink intelligent dog that speaks in English could possibly exist, then you're very delusional. If something is very unlikely to exist, you can dismiss it altogether and doing so is a rational conclusion.
TheAssesKicker 4 months ago
@TheAssesKicker It could possibly exist but the chances are extremely small. If something is unlikely exist you can dismiss it but must be open to the possibility of it's existence.
Triipticz 4 months ago
@Triipticz Dismissing it is not an irrational conclusion.
TheAssesKicker 4 months ago
@TheAssesKicker To totally dismiss it and not even be open to the possibility is irrational if something cannot be proven incorrect.
Triipticz 4 months ago
@Triipticz There aren't any evidence and it is very unlikely that he exists, therefore I'm an atheist. I don't know who told you that atheists would never become theists if somehow science proved the existence of god. I'm also pretty sure that I've met christians who were atheists.
TheAssesKicker 4 months ago
@TheAssesKicker Regardless of whether you would become theist or not if the existence of god was proven, you cannot possibly be an atheist as you simply do not know if god exists. Nevertheless, god's existence is extremely unlikely. It's easier for one to say that they are an atheist and not agnostic so that religious people don't get confused. However, technically one can only be an agnostic.
Triipticz 4 months ago
@Triipticz Not really. Atheists don't believe in god, while agnostics don't claim to believe or disbelieve in god. By your logic, we don't know if the majority of people in australia don't have an australian accent because we didn't hear every one of them speak. The chance that they have an australian accent is very high, therefore it is safe to assume that the majority speak with an australian accent.
TheAssesKicker 4 months ago
@TheAssesKicker Yes you can make the assumption that something is true based on surveys or what not pointing towards a certain "fact." However, you cannot assume something is not true due to the lack of evidence supporting its existence.
Triipticz 4 months ago
@Triipticz Yes, you can.
TheAssesKicker 4 months ago
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@TheAssesKicker You have to act and behave as if you do not believe in god. However, it is impossible to fricken know.
Triipticz 4 months ago
@TheAssesKicker If you're going to make the claim that God doesn't exist, you need evidence to support that claim. Making an argument solely on lack of evidence from the other side is not an argument. The reason we don't believe in Santa is not due to a lack of evidence for his existence, it's because we have evidence that Santa does not exist. This is the flaw of Atheism, they can't provide evidence against God's existence, all they can do is say there is a lack of evidence for his existence.
camilo101 4 months ago
@camilo101 Which is exactly the point. Just imagine the following: You claimed that god exists, i told you to provide some evidence, you didn't provide any, so i simply didn't believe in him. You're the one who should prove it because you're the one making that claim. i can't disprove a negative.
TheAssesKicker 4 months ago
@TheAssesKicker Venom gives plenty of evidence in his vids, I'm guessing you only click on them to troll not watch. We have evidence for God, but you refuse to accept it. However you don't have evidence that God does not exist, you have nothing but a negative, maybe that is why Atheists are so negative? As for the dog, there is no evidence for it knowing English, but we have evidence that dogs are incapable of speaking man's languages, however they do have some intelligence and can be dyed pink.
camilo101 3 months ago
@camilo101 Also, could you please prove to me that my pink intelligent dog that speaks in English doesn't exists? You can't? Does that mean you have to be skeptical about it? No, if you are, then you are either mentally challenged or very delusional.
TheAssesKicker 4 months ago
@camilo101 please present your evidence for Santas non-existance ? I will point out that Norad tracks his progress over the USA each year.
SqueakerAlpha 3 months ago
It's not that "we shouldn't say that the Bible's author is God, as Science has proven that there IS NO GOD", but rather "we shouldn't say that the Bible's author is God, as it has already been established by Historians and Historians of religion that the authors of the Bible were middle-eastern men, who mostly ripped it off Babylonian an Canaanite myths".
The author is already known. The fact that there is no God has not much to do with the book's authorship.
SolDeSaBelle 11 months ago
It is incredibly ammusing how many people can completely miss the point. Great video, man. God bless.
YamadaJisho 11 months ago
Lets say you and I were walking down the street and we found a 100$ bill. I claim that I know how it got there. It was a unicorn that transformed and suddenly evolved wings and it was during this process this 100$ bill was created and the unicorn just left it there and went on with his day. surely you don't know how the 100$ got there but will you not find me silly for believing that something like this had to happened for the 100$ bill to appear? I'd like your thoughts on this, love your vids!
Thunderharald 1 year ago
@Thunderharald The problem is that there is no necessary reason to believe the dollar, from the evidence, must have been left by a unicorn. On the other hand, the attributes of God are necessary attributes for His role of Creation, and necessary of a Creator.
He can do all Things. (Numbers 11:23)
His Understanding has no limits. (1 John 3:19-20, Psalm 147:5)
His presence fills Creation. (Psalm 139, Jeremiah 23:24)
He endures Forever. (Psalm 102:12)
He is Transcendent. (Ephesians 4:6)
CarlosMarti123 11 months ago
@CarlosMarti123 the way I see it, there could possibly have been the Christian god who created the universe. But I also don't think that it had to be god who created it all, so in my opinion we can not come to a clear conclusion.
Thanks for commenting but I'm no longer convinced by the bible but I'm glad that you still have faith.
Thunderharald 11 months ago
@Thunderharald No problem.
I've had my ups and downs in my spiritual life, but I'm glad to say that I've finally come to Know Him after so many years.
You can watch this video if you want to:
/watch?v=Pi2Ib7wMUs0
CarlosMarti123 11 months ago
As some people have commented, it is possible to say that if we can never find evidence of a purpose, then there is no reason to suppose that there is a purpose. This is in stead of supposing that there isn't a purpose.
Yamikaiba123 1 year ago
@VenomFangX "Science cant detect those things. Not directly anyway" What is "directly'?
ImStillBlind 1 year ago
@ImStillBlind Perhaps he means not directly testable. Science is about being able to test and verify. You can test for the chemical compostion of the paints used, the type of canvas used, the style in which the painting was done, and verification would be from others doing the same tests. What you can't test is the intent or the reason of the painting because the creation is subjective to it's creator. After that I'm lost lol
SteamerJohanson 1 year ago
I just want to address that point you made about the waterfall.
No, you're still wrong. "Beauty" is still just a word and obviously extremely subjective to boot. For something to be objectively beautiful, that means it IS whether you see it or not. For example, you're a human, you call that beautiful. But what if an non-human animal saw that waterfall? Is it beautiful to them? NO! Because they don't have the cognitive capacity to grasp the concepts involved. NOTHING is objectively beautiful.
watlen2 1 year ago
@watlen2 If beauty is subjective, It doesn't exist at all.
XHAWK77X 1 year ago
Also C. S. Lewis was an atheist. He said that right before he accepted God he was fearing the conclusion he would come to.
xtremeguy1 1 year ago
@xtremeguy1 CS lewis started out life as a believer then as a child due to untimely family deaths became angry at the universe and became and atheist and then became a staunch defender of Christianity till his death, even though he lost his wife later on to cancer. He has a book that lays bare his struggles emotional and logical when he lost his wife but also talks about how in the end if one does not simply act like e petulant child that one can become closer to god through Tragedies.
YourMadTourGuide 1 year ago
For that second comment, yes Gods creation was stolen. Stolen by man who thought, "yes I'm the top animal the world is mine." we need to see that God made the world for his own purpose.
xtremeguy1 1 year ago
@xtremeguy1 The same argument could be made for children who are in abusive homes. My parents had me for a specific purpose, and that is to beat me. I should accept my position, having been created with this intent in mind. Assuming god made us, that does not give him permission to commit immoral actions against us or command with supreme authority anymore then i get supreme authority over my children, whats wrong is wrong and whats right is right regardless who made who or why.
geilman 1 year ago
I have a problem with your "murder" argument - is murder really wrong? Is it wrong to defend your country by e.g. fighting nacis to prevent them from taking over your country and killing you and everyone you know? By not murdering them, you are harming *your* society - and that may be considered as immoral by many.
DevelX666 1 year ago
Have more than enough evidence to dismiss his claims outright for the clear conflict it has with the facts of the painting. Also, murder isn't OBJECTIVELY wrong, its subjectively wrong. However murder isn't benefitual to a social animal, so they, we, look down upon it as negative.
PressXtonotdie 1 year ago
The bible is different from the painting. Historical records conflict with the statements of what was occurring at the time, where as there is clear structure in place for the universe to form naturally, paint and canvas are things that aren't formed naturally. Furthermore, the bible claims things happened in a certain way, for example, adam and eve, though the genetic inbreeding would've destroyed the human race. If someone claims to have painted an oil painting with watercolours, then we pt1
PressXtonotdie 1 year ago
Shawn, you are truly blessed and gifted by our God. This video is excellent and is simple to understand.
AlphaNOmega4ever 1 year ago
Nice to see your back sean.
Epoch03 1 year ago
Sean, I'm a relative newcomer to your videos so please forgive me if you've already answered this: What's your purpose in doing all these videos? What's driving you to do them? Seriously? You obviously have a decent head on your shoulders, but why the need to transmit your views and engage in all the argument that follows?
jasonbutler419 1 year ago
@ToothpickMcBrainy You do realise Hitler put his picture infront of a wooden cross to force people to worship him right? they cant have been christians.
AgentVamp 1 year ago
@AgentVamp
"I say: my feeling as a Christian points me to my Lord and Saviour as a fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded only by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and summoned men to the fight against them and who, God's truth! was greatest not as sufferer but as fighter."-Hitler
He seems to have encouraged religious belief in his followers, and to have no reservations about calling himself Christian. Don't No True Scotsman me, boyo.
ToothpickMcBrainy 1 year ago
By the way, If you reject inference of design then Archaeology and Forensics wouldn't exist as a science. Nor would SETI exist!
vizion24 1 year ago
It is reasonable to infer that life was created.
1)DNA is a code.
2)ALL codes come from intelligent mind.
3)DNA came from an intelligent mind.
The argument uses the scientific method of induction. I am assuming you are familiar with inductive and deductive proofs. All coded information we know of is created. We infer coded information comes from a mind. This can be easily toppled just by showing ONE example of code created by naturalistic processes.
vizion24 1 year ago
@vizion24 Okay I fail to see the argument here...
Are you supporting that there IS a God? or are you referring to Science and how you believe it presents proof of creating life randomly?
AgentVamp 1 year ago
« how you believe it presents proof of creating life randomly? »
I doubt that he really believes such a thing. I think it more likely that this is yet another one of your transparent intentional misrepresentations. But in case it is not intentional, I advise you to re-read the relevant comments.
XGralgrathor 1 year ago
@XGralgrathor No I was asking him if he had a religious mind or a scientific mind. Please let me ask people questions without pointing out such flaws thank you.
AgentVamp 1 year ago
« I was asking him if he had a religious mind »
No, you were implying that he believes that science claims that "life was created randomly". And I don't think he does, because it doesn't.
XGralgrathor 1 year ago
« DNA is a code »
DNA is not a code in the same sense that a messaging code is a code. The word 'code' is used as an analogy in this case.
« ALL codes come from intelligent mind »
All messaging codes come from an intelligent mind, since a message is a bit of meaningful information exchanged between intelligences. DNA is not meaningful information exchanged between intelligences.
XGralgrathor 1 year ago
You could give a certain degree of confidence that you are the creator of the painting, and as such that you are privy to the true purpose of the painting. You could create a picture of similar caliber. This would be the scientific method, we use science to gain a degree of certainty about what's around us.
As a side point, you mention that god sent his son as a sacrifice to save us. You ignore that we need saving from his policy (i.e. to hell until you believe Jesus died to save you.)
Tercyv 1 year ago
@Tercyv He never said "Believe in me or I'll send you to hell!"
He does not control what happens in Hell or the journey to said darkness so why are you assuming God is an absolute prick is beyond me.
AgentVamp 1 year ago
@PoliticalHell
I don't think so, but whatever you say. I keep forgetting it's the evilutionists who know it all.
lifeishooey 1 year ago
@lifeishooey They don't. But they don't ignore facts, which is a start in my opinion.
PoliticalHell 1 year ago
You speak of teleology and science's inability to perceive it. And yet, at the same time, you offer no other means of discovering intent or purpose. The obvious limitations of science do not allow you to base your arguments on absolutely nothing.
If you paid any attention in your philosophy of science class, you would have realized fairly quickly that the field doesn't justify bald assertions. Philosophy of science is about discerning the limits of what we can know as human beings.
HighestReason 1 year ago
Good and evil are abstractions based on what we find as desirable and undesirable as a culture or society. It's not objective. Murder is not objectively evil because that would mean *nothing*.
jaykgrey 1 year ago
Reason is still required, and it's more reasonable to assume you painted it than that you didn't. Scientific method != reason and logic
jaykgrey 1 year ago
@jaykgrey So tell me then Jaykgrey. What reason should I have to believe in Science when all I can do is test, repeat and observe what ONLY is right infront of me and what possibly could be out in space like Dark Matter for example?
AgentVamp 1 year ago
@AgentVamp
Your question makes no sense to me, but perhaps I'm reading it wrong; you don't believe in science, science is used as a method of discovering objective truth. At that rate, science is what discovered Dark Matter... so...
I suggest you restate your question.
jaykgrey 1 year ago
@jaykgrey Read it over dude. How did Science discover Dark Matter when it can not be touched or tasted or smelled.
I dont need to restate my question... You need to read my comment.
AgentVamp 1 year ago
@AgentVamp
Read it over, dude. It can be *observed*. There's more to life than the 5 senses, or any sense of man. We can measure and record all sorts of data external to our own in such a way that we can interpret it -- things like UV light. Then we utilize reason and its extensions -- mathematics, physics, whatever.
Again: Science has discovered dark matter. Science. Has. Discovered. Dark matter. Reason. Logic. I won't repeat it further -- if you're that perplexed, I suggest Wikipedia.
jaykgrey 1 year ago
@jaykgrey UV light is created from an object we can look at. That involves 1 of the 5 senses.
"Reason. Logic" Show me the logic. I don't see how something can just be created and not seen and then people tell ME that my religion is wrong when Science test repeats and observes certain things that don't exist by human eyes.
AgentVamp 1 year ago
« How did Science discover Dark Matter »
Short answer: it didn't. Dark matter is a term for a gravitational influence that can't be accounted for considering only the matter that can be observed. There is no comprehensive explanation for what causes this effect as yet.
XGralgrathor 1 year ago
@XGralgrathor So tell me, how can it be accounted for and observed? really, I am interested. I figured it was in the dark reaches of space or so I was told.
AgentVamp 1 year ago
« So tell me, how can it be accounted for and observed? »
Are you word-blind? I just explained to you in plain language that it isn't. Dark matter is just the collective term for whatever causes the effect. It is not a claim about the nature of what causes the effect.
XGralgrathor 1 year ago
@XGralgrathor Ok if you are going to resort to insults instead of having a healthy discussion then I'm done with talking to you.
AgentVamp 1 year ago
« How did Science discover Dark Matter »
Short answer: it didn't. Dark matter is a term for a gravitational influence [...]
« So tell me, how can it be accounted for and observed? »
Are you word-blind? I just explained to you in plain language that it isn't [after which I repeat and elaborate on the explanation...]
« if you are going to resort to insults »
O, nice going. Next time I see you whining about dark matter, I'll know you'll simply be ignoring explanations, kid.
XGralgrathor 1 year ago
@XGralgrathor You call me asking questions about what you believe whining? Wow you're more delusional than your beliefs. Oh and trying to patronise me with "kid" was a really sour touch even for you.
AgentVamp 1 year ago
« what ONLY is right infront of me »
You can test hypotheses about that which is *not* right in front of you by testing the consequences of the hypothesised mechanism. This is how science works. This is how we learned what the most probably structure of the atom is. This is how we learned how gravitational fields probably bend spacetime and the light rays traveling through it. Most scientific knowledge we use today is inferred from observation, rather than observed directly.
XGralgrathor 1 year ago
Funny thing is that it may well be possible in the future for Science to tell us the intentions of the painter. Investigation into how the brain works will likely lead us to the stage we could, with access to the painter, know of his intentions by reading his mind. Problem with God is that we don't have any evidence he exists & simple common sense tell us it's unlikely he does(at least in the forms commonly conceived of). First prove the invisible being, then start on what it's responsible for
OlympicRudi 1 year ago
@OlympicRudi How about First prove that there is life on other planets out of the Milky Way THEN you can go on about how God is apparently non existant.
AgentVamp 1 year ago
@AgentVamp
"How about First prove that there is life on other planets out of the Milky Way THEN you can go on about how God is apparently non existant."
What the hell has that to do with my point? I never even mentioned life on other planets & why must it be out of the Milky Way? Whatever you think was the point of my post, you are soo far off that you don't even make sense. Even if you take your post on it's own, it's still nonsense.
OlympicRudi 1 year ago
@AllenWithrow You have a filthy heart. You need to become born again where God takes out your heart of stone and gives you one of flesh where you no longer have a filthy mouth or hate him. You have broken God's Law and will perish in hell. God offers you a way out of your deserved punishment through Jesus Christ who shed his blood on the cross as a payment for sin. All he requires is repentance and faith. You're not ready to die and stand before God on judgment day. Repent sinner.
JesusforLife2 1 year ago
This is a nice video and you argue your point very validly, but what I want to know is...WHY THE HELL IS OLD SPICE IN THE SUGGESTIONS??!?!??!
TheBlorgh 1 year ago
I like your approach to the comments, I see a lot of improvement !!! Good work, keep it up !!!
JCYTT1I3777 1 year ago
@VenomFangX Wait, so you don't believe in evolution, but you know your genetics... and you just confirmed that you know how the whole incest thing works. So how can you not believe in evolution if you know, understand, and fundamentally believe in the core concepts of it? You know, evolution starts and ends with genetic mutations that cause 'errors' in the code. That's it.
PoliticalHell 1 year ago
@PoliticalHell If that happens, How come we can't see it
XHAWK77X 1 year ago
@XHAWK77X You forgot, evolutionism requires the magic wand of "time". Of course we cant see it unless millions or billions of years pass. Even then we are without any objective evidence as we are now.
JesusforLife2 1 year ago
@JesusforLife2 Does 2 + 2 = 4? I'll assume you say yes. Now show me the objective evidence, unless you want to be accused of hypocrisy.
PoliticalHell 1 year ago
@PoliticalHell I'm sorry but tell me, what does 2 +2 = 4 have to do with what he said which was "if billions of years pass then we can observe it" I dont see how it's hypocritical considering he was talking about how your view works and you explained an unrelated example.
AgentVamp 1 year ago
@XHAWK77X Have you ever heard of microevolution? Look it up, they've observed it in laboratories in microorganisms. Macroevolution can't be observed, since it happens over millions of years, but for what it's worth, all logical evidence points to it, all the clues add up, everything makes sense... on the other hand, you have the bible which generally makes no literal sense and has absolutely no evidence to support it. You tell me which is more believable.
PoliticalHell 1 year ago
@PoliticalHell Like I said, the magic wand of time along with the magic of spontaneous creation. Sorry, but your views makes no literal sense. I also suggest you not appeal to theism by saying there is no evidence which requires omniscience when you try to argue against it. Two sticks plus two sticks = 4 sticks?
JesusforLife2 1 year ago
@JesusforLife2 Two sticks and two sticks make four sticks, so we assume that two x plus two x make four x, even though we know nothing of x. Same concept.
a. Did you know that using primordial atmospheric gasses, scientists synthesized organic molecules by adding electricity (aka lightning)?
b. If we didn't evolve, why are there patterns of consistent change throughout millions of years of remains? Why do the tips of our spines resemble tails? Why are we so similar in behavior to chimps?
PoliticalHell 1 year ago
You can say "god felt like it", wherein lies the problem that you still have no proof that there is a god, or you can stop ignoring the fundamental clues that just scream for logical connections. I don't know how much you understand about biology, genetics, or science in general, though I feel as if it would be unwise to talk about it unless you knew at least the basics, but it takes devoted ignorance to deny that there are compelling patterns. They are obvious and not hard to understand.
PoliticalHell 1 year ago
@PoliticalHell
Excuse me??!!! My behavior is nowhere near similar to that of a chimp. Just because yours might be is not reason enough to assume everyone else's is.
lifeishooey 1 year ago
@lifeishooey LOL you're quite insecure aren't you? Why do you think there's an entire branch of Anthropology devoted to studying primates? I'm sorry if you can't accept that you have similarities with other organisms on the planet, but I have a news flash for you, you might be intellectually superior to them, but not so much physically. Try fighting a bear. If you're so much better, I dare you to win (naked, btw).
PoliticalHell 1 year ago
@PoliticalHell Not at all! I am quite secure in WHO I am and WHERE I came from. Did you not know that we humans share DNA with EVERYTHING that grows from the ground and every living land beast that is on the earth? Furthermore, there is an entire branch of anthropologists because many feel the need to be self important and claim to know something the rest of the world doesn't. And the wise shall be made fools. Bottom line, my father was not a razor back, sorry
lifeishooey 1 year ago
@PoliticalHell
Oops, I mean silver back
lifeishooey 1 year ago
@PoliticalHell Why is the sky orange?
XHAWK77X 1 year ago
@JesusforLife2 small changes in a short period of time equal big changes in a long period of time.
korwinblue 1 year ago
@PoliticalHell There's more evidence supporting the Bible than Evolution. The Bible has many fulfilled prophesies. It actually predicted Darwin. And micro-evolution isn't the adding of new genetic information, nor is it beneficial to the organism. Mutations Scramble, not add information, and are harmful. Also, Evolution can't happen because it would need anything inferior instantly die off. In reality an organism fit to survive will survive even if there is a more fit organism somewhere else.
XHAWK77X 1 year ago
@XHAWK77X So did Nostradamus (fulfilled prophesies, if you interpret it the right way).
Microevolution is very beneficial to the organism, that's actually how super-bacteria form and why you should get a new flu shot every year.
If you knew anything about how genetics work... there are only 4 bases, and their sequence determines the outcome. So yes, scrambling them is essentially the same as adding new information.
Sickle Cell Anemia is a mutation... look it up.
PoliticalHell 1 year ago
It helps people survive against malaria. Genetics at work, not god (who by your argument invented malaria).
Do you know anything about how ecosystems work? The food chain? There is no "inferior" organism per say... things work in synergy in nature, not just the superior eats the inferior. An organism not fit to survive will adapt or die.
This is the problem, people that don't know the first thing about biology try to claim that their argument is better.
PoliticalHell 1 year ago
@PoliticalHell Tell me how do you know it happens over millions of years when you weren't around to see it happen?
AgentVamp 1 year ago
@AgentVamp Same way you know god created the world 6k years ago even though you didn't see it happen... only small difference is the fact that there's evidence that supports the theory (fossils, DNA markers, bone structure, behaviors, environmental effects). Oh, and there's no evidence against it, contrary to some other theories that I'm not going to name... (god).
PoliticalHell 1 year ago
@VenomFangX It's like sympathy. We don't feel bad for other people because of a belief or a religion, but because it's deep in our core. We're built that way. The same can be said to apply to a general social scale. We are programmed to understand certain things - instincts - that drive us to be compatible with others in our species, and allow the species as a whole to survive in social circumstances as a result. Just as a wolf usually wouldn't kill another wolf, a man does not kill another man.
PoliticalHell 1 year ago
@PoliticalHell Isn't it grand how God created the human and the wolf? How He gave independence to man to think for himself and even establish the first democracy by allowing free thinking? His grace extends beyond barriers to where we are not robots, animals, but our own beings. Therefore, we are not accidents, nothing does not create nothing, intelligence is logic and creativity is inspiration, there are hearts, the soul, the human spirit, other dimensions, complexity beyond human's science. :)
SRSone 1 year ago
@SRSone The problem is, your own conscience blinds you from the fact that everything you are is just a bunch of electrochemical signals running around in your synapses. The miracle of your existence as a human being is irrelevant to anything but your own mind. This may be a bit uninspiring, but your mind... everything you hear, see, do... your love, emotions, beliefs, are just the result of biology. Look beyond yourself, and see the patterns that created you, not the easy explanation.
PoliticalHell 1 year ago
@PoliticalHell The problem really is, you're speaking from your mind and your own understanding up to this point in your life. Why do you think the evolution theory will never be proven? It hasn't been and it's credibility lies below creationism, it's just a way to escape it. Revival is coming my friend, so don't waste your time defending something you are not even sure of. If scientist can't find it, you are highly unlikely to do so. There is nothing else to do but to hold hands on this one. ;)
SRSone 1 year ago
@SRSone I don't get that argument. I know evolution is a theory, which by definition means it isn't fact. But it also means it's the best explanation there is and just as it hasn't been proven to fact, it has not been proven wrong by any better theory. My problem with your argument is that you're complaining how we can't prove evolution because it is beyond our ability to observe, yet you're claiming doubtless truth to something that can't only be proven, but even brought to logical sense.
PoliticalHell 1 year ago
@PoliticalHell Well there lies the problem, you think somehow 'evolution' is the "best" explanation. I mean you clearly watch TV, no doubt about that. You know what I learned hangin' out with some punk friends in my young life? You don't let other's opinion (or 'research') brainwash you. You just don't. Don't be so easily influenced, I can see you haven't had a real dose of who God really is yet, but not because of that you're just gonna throw everything else out the tube, I invite you to learn.
SRSone 1 year ago
@SRSone Though admittedly subtly, I had been asking you to teach me per say this whole time. Thus far you've only said that evolution is stupid and that I don't understand god, but gave no reasoning. I want reasons, so convince me. I won't ever understand if you just say "that's the way it is" because in my mind, I can't live with that answer. I need the why, hence I invite you to teach me.
And what does TV have to do with anything?
PoliticalHell 1 year ago
@PoliticalHell The problem is that this is not exactly the spot you want to learn the gospel, around fights and arguments. I really appreciate it that you're kinda opening a bit to give it a chance, but if you ask me, I would much rather prefer you get the full experience at a local evangelical church, with all your senses. Otherwise, I assure you anything expanded here will turn in an argument. Give it a try! Go this sunday :D
SRSone 1 year ago
« I know evolution is a theory, which by definition means it isn't fact »
And a parking lot is not a car. Theories are constructs for *explaining* facts, in the same way that parking lots are structures for parking cars.
XGralgrathor 1 year ago
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you get the same common sense result: They cannot be proven to exist because no one has brought evidence forward. I did not use the scientific method for that conclusion. Nothing was tested, repeated, none of that.
LogicvsFaith 1 year ago
also, one more thing, and i hope you could address this as i am interested in your response:
The scientific method is not required in every circumstance to prove or disprove something. For example i can disprove that you are black based on photos, your current skin pigment, an simply looking at you. What i mean is that i don't need a scientific approach to the God theory to disprove it if you will.
If you put God into the catagorie of unicorns, lochness monsters, and bigfoot
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LogicvsFaith 1 year ago
Lets consider your point about the reason behind the creation of the painting.
For teh lulz, lets say god (judeo christian yaweh guy) created our universe for the purpose of a guinea pig for creating others, to work out flaws. It's true, the scientific method cannot prove that intention, however you cannot prove that intention either Shaun. His real purpose could have been that he was bored one day and he needed something to do, but we will never know this because we cannot communicate with him
LogicvsFaith 1 year ago
*shaun is the author of a painting,
*man is the author of the bible (which means religion, "god", jesus, santa claus etc),
*"god" is a human fantasy (like your flower caught in a spiderweb),
*"god" did not make man in his image, man made god in his image (notice! not "her image") therefor "god"/jesus is a man's interpretation (paintings), not "god"/jesus themselfs
conclusion: shaun, you lack knowleadge of the human mind, and it's nature.
DonatiLaja 1 year ago
Hello VenomFangX. I'm a subscriber of yours who would like to voice an opinion on your vids as a whole. I enjoy watching your vids very much. I admire your disarming / calm demeanor, along with your humerous / revealing personal takes. Plus your scenic backdrops are quite aesthetic. But above all that I am pleased that your vids cut straight to the heart of the matters at hand. I think you're providing a fine example of decent socio-internet interation. Q: Have you ever considered Catholicism?
cardman14 1 year ago
welcome back
mstiffysmith 1 year ago
Venomfangx, it's clear that you've continued to evolve your debate style; rather than letting your opponents take the nil position, you have started from the neutral and placed the burden of proof on the opposition to demonstrate the validity of their position. It's a great method to build up to your own points later.
Ephemerance 1 year ago
If the scientific method isn't the way then what is? I'd be more interested in hearing that actually.
johnbgroovy 1 year ago
You bring up a good point in this video, Science and Religion are two entirely different things. Science will never yield evidence for or against God, that is a totally different set of tools.
CMO999 1 year ago
@CMO999 For now anyway. If you look at history, you'll find a consistent recurring pattern, as science evolves, religion fades. As new things become known to humanity, old beliefs die, and new foundations for cultures are formed. As they say, history repeats itself. It's only a matter of time until modern religion becomes rejected by our society. Steven Hawking gave it 200 years, I think.
PoliticalHell 1 year ago
@PoliticalHell Steven Hawking also says something can come from nothing - "the Universe can and will create itself from nothing. Spontaneous creation is the reason there is something rather than nothing, why the Universe exists, why we exist.”
I think ill stick to God's word the Bible. Also funny how you use the word miracle.
JesusforLife2 1 year ago
New Atheism vs old Atheism?
Unlike religious or spiritual groups Atheism is not a group in which follows a universal standard or belief system. The broad definition of Atheism states the disbelief in a god or creator of the universe. Therefore I think it dangerous to group one set of ideas to Atheism. You could ask several Atheists what they feel and believe about certain issue and although they would be broadly similar they are not exactly the same enough to group them in a way a you group..
Shambone7 1 year ago
@Shambone7 ..religious sects
Shambone7 1 year ago
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gmcjetpilot 1 year ago
@gmcjetpilot Wow... it's like you can actually hear the medication imbalance.
jasonbutler419 1 year ago
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gmcjetpilot 1 year ago
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jasonbutler419 1 year ago
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@gmcjetpilot Amazing! In reply to a criticism of your ranting and raving, what do we get? More ranting and raving!!! With wildly incorrect assumptions and a leech-like attempt to construe the credibility of your wife's achievements as your own!!! It just doesn't get better than this!!! You're proving my point better than I ever could... Thank you! The "19" is for my birth date. I'm 40. Just listen to yourself! Do you actually think yours is the behavior of an emotionally balanced adult?
jasonbutler419 1 year ago
@jasonbutler419
"Do you actually think yours is the behavior of an emotionally balanced adult?"
Dear Jason, I don't know you, but YOU WROTE ME FIRST.
"Wow... it's like you can actually hear the medication imbalance."
So don't be a little punkass hypocrite. You go around trolling Christians to antagonize and provoke them, and when they defend their self and throw it back, you WHINE like a baby. Save your self righteous indignation toll. PS I blocked your harassing PM messages. Bye!
gmcjetpilot 1 year ago
Well OK then..... For the record: 1. There was one PM response to a post directed at me that was so nasty it was deleted. 2. I have never insulted or antagonized anyone for their Christianity (unless you consider debate an insult) I insulted his behavior, not religion. He's making it into something it never was. 3. Calling someone a troll does not make it so; acting as he has, does. 4. This from a man who' s shown nothing but a screed of unfounded, self-righteous indignation? Pure, Lunacy.
jasonbutler419 1 year ago
Oh, Yeah.... 5. This also from a man who calls himself a Christian, yet deems it necessary to keep a text based "flipping the bird/middle finger" picture on hand for responding to people he dislikes. I suppose now I'll be accused of insulting Christianity by pointing out how "un-Christian" behavior like that is? I may disagree with their beliefs, but there are many fine Christians; gmcjetpilot isn't one of them. It's not about religion for him, it's his excuse to vent his incidental anger.
jasonbutler419 1 year ago
@jasonbutler419
"waa waaa cry sniff whine sob.... "
That's it? Yawn. You started it troll, and you're now shocked I flung it back in your face?
ATHEIST says that's not Christian. Ha ha. Did I hurt your feelings. Sorry. I'm just a sinner.
I had no idea you dished it out but couldn't take it, with out melting down into a heap of whiny
self righteous victim-hood. I suggest you stop writing unsolicited insults to strangers on youtube.
Do it person if you must coward. Grow up boy. Bye.
gmcjetpilot 1 year ago
This isn't about Christianity/Atheism for gmcjetpilot; it's about defense of his own stupidity. We've got him assuming reactions (e.g. waa waaa, shocked etc.) that never happened, framing an accurate recounting of his bad behavior as if it were anything but and flinging insults that would only bother an adolescent. Typical bully ignorance. But if you really want to get into it gmcjetpilot, OK: goaway35@verizon.net..... we can talk about this in person.
jasonbutler419 1 year ago
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@jasonbutler419
No I don't take "medication", only a one-a-day vitamin and aspirin. Let me guess, you're 19, know everything, live with mommy, a smart ass punk who declares you're an ATHEIST! Waa waa. You're ignorant of religion & world events. My pediatrician doctor wife sees kids like you. The parents beg her to drug their kids, with Zoloft, Prozac, Paxil. You needed a good old ass whooping long ago, you spoiled brat punk. May be some Meds would help you, but step away from the bong boy.
gmcjetpilot 1 year ago
@Shambone7
A pathetic false definition of atheism, Oh we sweet passive Atheists just don't believe in God, God's or religion. That's nice, and Islam is a "religion of peace"? We have EYES & EARS, see what you Atheists say & do. Deal with facts, Atheism is a subversive militant sub-culture, a cult often associated with the political agenda of the: far left, secularist, homosexual, pro-abortion, communist, socialist, anarchist. THAT'S WHO YOU ARE & your anti-Christ CULT is. Don't sugar coat it.
gmcjetpilot 1 year ago
@gmcjetpilot Oh don't get your panties in a wad! I find it funny that you think that "Atheism" is some sort of cult or that everyone who is an Atheist must be communist. I think you have been severely sheltered during your life and see people who are not like you to be a bad thing (all the groups you listed in your comment). You also have some serious conspiracy ideas in your head about Atheists, we arnt out to get you now settle down.
Shambone7 1 year ago
@Shambone7
Atheists are too stupid to organize, like herding cats. You stand for nothing but yourself, think the universe revolves around your anus, rebelling children, amateur anarchist, contrary for kicks, or it's a secular liberal political homogay agenda. No worries you'll lose! If you want to wear woman's panties that's your business kid, but stay away from my kids pervert. Spew you anti-freedom of religion/speech bigotry you'll get pounded back into your subculture hole, where u belong.
gmcjetpilot 1 year ago
@gmcjetpilot
Oh look shawn! A vulgur comment! Better delete it!.... No go? :P
toxickatie 1 year ago
@toxickatie
Mind your own business. If you don't have something relevant to say besides unwanted
sarcastic smart *** comments, I suggest you take your Cheeto dusted chubby fingers
from the filthy keyboard you're sitting in front of. Shock me and have something smart &
relevant to the video in your come back. Other wise run along kid. I don't have to put up
with you boy.
gmcjetpilot 1 year ago
@gmcjetpilot
Still Vulgur! I love me some cheetohs! Seriously shawn, this guys just being vulgur, why don't you delete this comment? Its nothing but volgurness and has nothing to do with the debate.
toxickatie 1 year ago
@Shambone7
"I think you have been severely sheltered during your life....."
I hate conspiracy theorist. Don't straw man me boy, I THINK YOU ARE...blah blah. I grew up all over Europe, USA, went to college in New Orleans. Seattle, travel the WORLD w/ the airlines. I've worked, socialized with all kinds of people. Youtube isn't just a forum just for 16-20 yr old boys. Listen & learn! I have more education, more life experience and know Jesus. I'm WAY ahead of you. You lost kid. You're a bigot!
gmcjetpilot 1 year ago
@gmcjetpilot Learn how to be more subtle when you troll.
TheMoriMaster 1 year ago
@TheMoriMaster
You started it troll. I'm replying to some one else, and you have nothing to do with it.
Mind your own business. If you don't have something relevant to say besides personal
attacks or unwanted sarcastic smart *** comments, I suggest you take your Cheeto
dusted chubby fingers from the filthy keyboard you're sitting in front of. Shock me and
have something smart & relevent to the video in your come back. Other wise beat it kid.
I don't have to put up with you kid.
gmcjetpilot 1 year ago
@gmcjetpilot Learn how to be more subtle when you troll.
TheMoriMaster 1 year ago
Murder is murder, right is right, wrong is wrong. Let's not mix them up. Only when you see the whole picture can you even hope to get a glimpse of if it's right or wrong. And I want to introduce that something might be inconclusive, or somewhere in between.
Sometimes there is no right, only less wrong. And yeah, if someone was going to try to kill me, and I killed them in self defense, I think I'd feel justified with that. I probably wouldn't think it was right. But certainly not wrong.
EngineeringIsMagic 1 year ago
@EngineeringIsMagic you forget that there is no universal right or wrong.
misterbuckethead 1 year ago
We can learn about the painter's intentions because he ACTUALLY EXISTS and can communicate his intentions.
If God existed, he could also clearly communicate his intentions (he's omnicient and omnipotent, right?).
The Bible is so unclear that believers have splintered into thousands of competing sects. It is full of contradictions, historical and clerical errors, and often advocates a barbaric moral code.
Wouldn't you expect more from a book written or inspired by God?
PJDolan1 1 year ago 11
@PJDolan1
"If God existed, he could also clearly communicate his intentions "
God has, the BIBLE, read it.
"splintered into thousands of competing sects"
False exaggeration and hyperbole. Christians follow CHRIST. Humans screw up religion no Jesus.
"advocates a barbaric moral code."
That is a FALSE LIE... Love thy neighbor and enemy, we are all equal, sins, forgive and faith in Jesus is not barbaric. You are a philistine and spewing ignorance. We are not old testament days.
gmcjetpilot 1 year ago
@gmcjetpilot Catholicism Pre-Lutheran Protestants Lutheranism Anglican Churches Reformed Churches Presbyterianism Congregationalist Churches Anabaptists Brethren Methodists Pietists and Holiness Churches Baptists Apostolic Churches – Irvingites Pentecostalism Latter Day Saints Oneness Pentecostalism Unitarianism and Universalism Quakers Southcottites Anglican Communion Swedenborgianism Messianic Judaism
about half the different sects of christianity
misterbuckethead 1 year ago
@misterbuckethead
"Catholicism Pre-Lutheran Protestants ...."
That's a lot less than THOUSANDS! LOL! FAIL! Also they all have something in common, Jesus Christ and the BIBLE! There are many small differences between them, but as long as YOU and I focus on JESUS CHRIST, Salvation is THROUGH FAITH ALONE in Jesus Christ, we will have ever lasting life. I can assure you God doesn't want different denominations, but again people screw things up. Stop being a troll, it is no way to go through life.
gmcjetpilot 1 year ago
@gmcjetpilot you missed the point. obviously if it were that simple all of these sects wouldn't exist!
misterbuckethead 1 year ago
@misterbu
YOU MISSED THE POINT & didn't watch or understand VFX's video. It's irrelevant there are different Christian denominations. God did not say Protestants argue w/ Catholics. Atheists have unrealistic STANDARDS expecting Christians and to be PERFECT! VFX screwed up, SEE SEE! Sorry we're sinners! No religion is perfect because it has SINFUL PEOPLE IN IT. I see small, even large (man made) problems w/ every Christian denominations, BUT THE MESSAGE IS TRUE, FAITH IN JESUS CHRIST SAVES.
gmcjetpilot 1 year ago
@gmcjetpilot i wasn't responding to the point made in his video you moron! I was responding explicitly to an argument that you were having! I wasn't responding to the petty arguments in his videos, i was responding to your assertion that Christianity is only about Jesus and that all the christians are like minded and get along, which is obviously not true.
you know, you should google something. "venomfangx encyclopediadramatica" read that. you might understand where im coming from a bit more.
misterbuckethead 1 year ago
@PJDolan1 You proved your 2nd sentence by the analogy of your 1st. Tell your last sentence to God, I'd like to see that.
aaronscrewme 1 year ago
@PJDolan1 The Bible is clear and easy to understand, but there are those who do not know God and follow Satan who purposefully confuse what is clear and obvious. These are called false-teachers and scripture-twisters who usually do so for their own agendas. A true Christian can spot them very easily, but someone outside the church like yourself would obviously be very confused because you neither know God or the Bible. That's how Satan works, he is a deceiver and misleads people.
VenomFangX 1 year ago 11
@VenomFangX Your assertions that the "Bible is clear and easy to understand" and that those inside the Church are not confused by the Bible are demonstrably false.
If your assertions were true, there wouldn't be so many competing sects with different interpretations of the Bible.
Christians are often confused and misinformed about the Bible. In fact, The Pew Forum's U.S. Relgious Knowledge Survey demonstrated that atheists and agnostics know more about religion than do believers.
PJDolan1 1 year ago 15
@VenomFangX
And how do you know that you haven't been confused by Satan about what the bible actually saying?
Dudeamis 1 year ago
@ 4:06, you could annalyze the painting technique, brush stroke paterns, ect...., to determain a pretty good guess on who the artist was if you could campare it to other paintings. it might not be entirely right but it could aid in tyhe investigation. just a point
risingfalls13 1 year ago
dang i came to your channel looking for good arguments aginst atheism, or more appropriately stand alone arguments FOR the existance of a god. so far i see none here. i started with your video how to make an atheists head explode. you don't properly understand the big bang theory.... argue against it fine.... but argue against it after you read it.
wlchambers 1 year ago
I am hungry :(
Freestyler04 1 year ago
I think you are a brave man, good luck with the haters!
VmLefty 1 year ago
Your argument is a perfect example of representiveness heuristic.
nononsenseinrational 1 year ago
Selective perception and memory, a desire for easy answers, confusion between causation an correlation, exposure to wrong information, misunderstanding and misuse of statistics, misrepresentation, exaggeration, confusion, ignorance of their own brain's working and bias are the favorite weapons of the ignorant