"The Bible is God's Word?! Prove it!" (Mark Kielar)

[TheThunderduck]

The opening shot was quite revealing. A child wearing headphones, a symbol of brainwashing. Nicely done !

[MrLogicnreason]

So the Bible is God's word, because the Bible says? Flawed logic. I have books that speak of Santa, as well as my parents telling me that he was real....doesn't make it so.

[kita2porgeecjm]

@MrLogicnreason If you do not trust the bible that's OK. I would suggest research by history. Due diligence is needed here to find the truth. Prejudism of believing the bible before doing a research is flawed logic. At the same token judging it as just written to fake us out without any analysis is also a flawed logic. Be truthful about the history for some historians were well respected and have good reputation. Some that tried to distort the truth, later on was found to be baseless, made up.

[Lulu4Him]

I really enjoyed your sermon and the way you presented it. It was strong, clear to understand, and right on! I had heard a sermon by Walter Vieth on this topic. He, too, mentioned that Jesus fulfilled over 300 Bible predictions, and that just 8 fulfilled by one person was 10/17 amazing! How can any one person ever doubt that Jesus is God, but of course there are always those who hum loudly while eyes closed with inserted fingers in ears. Those who refuse any light, who just want what they want..

[djohnnyf]

Another fraudster peddling the Jesus myth

[SpincterManBubba]

What a rip dude...You started off your sermon with a request for money. Why don't you do it free like Jesus did? Ooops, I forgot you couldn't have that big church and big pay check without begging for cash. Where is Jesus buried? He clearly said you can't get to heaven and be with the father in human form. How then did he do it? He didn't! The human portion, Jesus, is dead and buried. The Christ Spirit is in heaven and will return at some point by entering the body of another human.

[ramizx69]

Wow, these guys are horrible. I would like to know where they get their facts from talking about other religions like that, like for example Islam. Trying to say how there is no prediction of future in Islam while they are countless of predictions and explanations about development of human body, universe, atoms, seas and many many other things that are just being discovered by science 1400 some years later. He even says that bible is NOT Gods word, but rather inspired by idea of God.

[ramizx69]

Wow, these guys are horrible. I would like to know where they get their facts from talking about other religions like that, like for example Islam. Trying to say how there is no prediction of future in Islam while they are countless of predictions and explanations about development of human body, universe, atoms, seas and many many other things that are just being discovered by science 1400 some years later. He even says that bible is NOT Gods word, but rather inspired by God.

[ramizx69]

Wow, these guys are horrible. I would like to know where they get their facts from talking about other religions like that, life for example Islam. Trying to say how there is no prediction of future in Islam while they are countless of predictions and explanations about development of human body, universe, atoms, seas and many many other things that are just being discovered by science 1400 some years later. He even says that bible is NOT Gods word, but rather inspired by God.

[De4sher]

the idea of god is itself stupid, not even looking into the obvious fact that the bible is made up.... but as long as ppl wont fly planes into buildings or ban abortions, i don't have a problem with whatever they believe... oh, wait!

[k0smon]

I would agree with Bart Ehrman that the bible is the word of man, not the Word of God. Too many contradictions and errors. God can do much better at writing than what we see in the book called the bible.

[ndjarnag]

-.In Matthew: Mary and Joseph live in Bethlehem and move to Nazareth after being warned in a dream. While in Luke, they live in Nazareth and visit Bethlehem for the census. Also, the idea that all the people in the roman empire return to their own ancestral town seems a little absurd. That would mean mass migration throughout the empire.

- In Matthew, they travel to Egypt to escape Herod. While in Luke, they travel to Jerusalem (for the purification offering when Jesus was 40 days old.)

[JamesAsp]

@ndjarnag That is why Herod killed all children between infant and two years old. Joseph and Mary lived in Bethlehem for maybe almost two years. That is why the the shepards arrived when he was newborn, while the magi arrived later when they already had settled down in a house. Joseph was not home when they came, as he most likely was out working. There is no contradictions.

This census was a "tributum capitis" which means it was a personal tax. They had to be at their birthplace for this.

[ndjarnag]

@JamesAsp Again, In Matthew they already live there, then moved to Nazareth when warned by an angel. In Luke they live in Nazareth they visited Bethlehem for the Census. Bottomline, both authors were using different mechanisms to place Jesus's birth in Bethlehem (to correspond to prophecy) while it was well known that he was from Nazareth. Also, the idea of Herod killing all the children in the area 2 years old and younger is not supported by historical evidence and is a quite outlandish.

[JamesAsp]

@ndjarnag Yes. As I said earlier there are no contradictions. Here is how the story went by: Joseph and Mary lived in Nazareth. Census came and they went to Bethlehem. Almost two years later they still live in Bethlehem. Now they flee to Egypt. When Herod the great have died, they return. Finding out his son rule, they move to Nazareth again instead of Bethlehem.

[sunset261]

it says that the messiah would be born in bethelehem. This is not true. It says the ruler of israel would come from Bethlehem Ephratah, a clan, not a city.

[JamesAsp]

@sunset261 Both are correct. Both Mary and Joseph are descendants of Judah tribe and David. Jesus was also born in the town of Bethlehem, that "belonged" to that tribe/clan.

[mrjonvan]

What evidence convinced you to believe that the Bible is trustworthy in the first place?

[BenAliGtor]

The major premise that most conservative Evangelical institutions of higher learning begin with (at least the literate ones) is that the original autographs of scripture were inspired and inerrant- NOT that the Bible as it exists now in any particular translation is inspired and inerrant. Accepting the former does not presume the latter, as insomuch no original autographs still exist, it would be impossible to prove that existing documents reflect, with 100% accuracy, the original autographs.

[crynme]

JESUS OH GOD FORGIVE THEM LORD.....

[wheresmylife]

Reading the comments, it doesn't sound like some people actually listened to the video. He took what the Bible said and went back through archived, historical documents to find the evidence. Everything is recorded and checkable by people who will take the time to research it for themselves. The evidence is undeniable.  It can only be denied by those adamantly opposed to the Bible for personal reasons. The facts were presented clearly.

[elagentenumerouno]

I am a siner, that has confess that I am, and I ask for forgiveness to God, I accept that Jesus died on the cros to pay for my sins, and rosed from the dead, and nou he lives defiting deth. I acept his free gift of salvation from eternal separation from God, and now I geve my life to him. Now God is #1 in my life, and By faith now I am safe throw jesus Christ. You don't have to keep justifiying your sins, and be slave by it. the gift if also for you to take today. God's way is beter than yours.

[LaneCh]

You posted your first response 10 minutes ago and this one 1 minute ago. I don't apologize for not sitting around anxiously waiting for Youtube user "bigboy45454545" to post a comment on my videos so I can approve them. Perhaps some patience would do you well.

[bigboy45454545]

Why don't they go up automatically? If you're censoring bad language, that's understandable.

Peace my friend. May you be in Heaven, a half hour before the Devil knows your dead.

;-)

[LaneCh]

Primarily it is for bad language and people who verbally abuse others, yes.

[bigboy45454545]

Proving the bible is the real word of God, by reading from the bible??

That's just like going to a prison, and asking any prisoner if they are innocent?.........It's a lesson in stupidity.

There is no evidence for any God, of any religion, or any magic deities.........Outside of the bible. None, I tells ya. Look and you won't find it. Try it Retard? Don't take it on this losers word. Look for it yourself.........But outside of the bible?

[ArcticWhiteZ]

proving the bible by reading the bible?

well the only way you would know if the bible is true is if the things prophecied about Jesus Christ long before came true. Such as the books of Isaiah, and some of the Psalms by David... which describe flawlessly about Jesus Christ and even describing his death to very close detail.... hundreds of years before Jesus was born... you would know that the bible is the word of God, if the words and prophecies came true

Peace

[evelsteev]

None of these things came true, because Jesus was never a historical figure. If the New Testament shadows the old testament, that proves nothing other than the PEOPLE (not God) who wrote the bible, simply imitated whatever happened in the old testament. That doesn't prove anything.

[jcsandberg]

Jesus isn't a historical figure?? We have plenty of evidence for a historical Jesus. The Bible's manuscript evidence is overwhelming. Somewhere around 6,000 manuscripts or portions of manuscripts of the New Testament alone were written within 2.5 decades of the original writings. Can't say that about the Ceasars' Gaelic Wars, Aristotle's Poetics, or Homer's Iliad. All those were written more than 1,000 years after the original, and yet we take their history without question.

[highwind8124]

Sweet, sweet tithe money. Mmm...

[theocratickingdom30]

Good stuff Lane! Thank you! Most christians don't understand that christianity is a truth claim. In our socienty today religion is viewed as feelings and our mind is put on hold. Growing up in the pentecostal movement I saw a tremendous amount of this.

[lowbaccaus]

Did you not watch the Video? It says itself that Alexander used the remains of old Tyre, which he found, to build a causeway to new Tyre. Primary sources describing this: Arrian is probably your best source, but the video itself describes this, unless you posit that the video is lying to us about this.

[LaneCh]

Timestamp?

[lowbaccaus]

Alex destroyed Tyre in 332 BC btw.

[LaneCh]

No, in the video.

[lowbaccaus]

Around 52 min

[Uzzius008]

But it begun with Nebucadonezzar an the dry land.

[lowbaccaus]

So even though you disregard my debunking of the Tyre episode (which I showed to be completely false, and which you should recognize, or show me where I went wrong). The video also describes Psalm 22 as describing crucifixion as a means of execution 7 centuries before it was used which is a blatant lie. Psalm 22 describes no such execution method of the messiah.

Please rectify these issues; I'm eager to hear your responses.

[LaneCh]

"The video also describes Psalm 22 as describing crucifixion as a means of execution 7 centuries before it was used which is a blatant lie. Psalm 22 describes no such execution method of the messiah."

We come from different epistemologies. I believe it's a prophecy so I consider God to be my basis for epistemology. You deny this, however, because you deem yourself as being the source of epistemology. (In other words, if you don't agree with it, it's wrong.) ...

[LaneCh]

That doesn't, however, disprove that it's a prophecy that came true in Jesus' time. You need better argumentation than what is basically, "Well, I don't believe that." for your argument to be considered viable and credible.

[lowbaccaus]

Yes it does actually, if the video claims that Psalm 22 describes crucification 7 centuries before that method was even invented, and then asserts that this "proves" that the bible is the word of god, and then as it turns out said Psalm doesn't mention crucification AT ALL then it's wrong, regardless of the situation in the first century.

[lowbaccaus]

You're basically saying "I believe it to be the word of god, therefore it is the word of god"; a clear cut definition of petitio principii fallacy.

This really has nothing to do with epistemology; simply put I read Psalm 22, it mentioned NOTHING concerning cruxifiction, therefore that prophecy was wrong. My personal beliefs didn't influence my reasoning at all; either the prophecy is true or it's not, regardless of our epistemologies.

[LaneCh]

No, I'm basically saying "I believe the word of God because it's true." You're basically saying, "I believe these unsubstantiated assertions that I'm not validating with primary source material for basically no other reason I can provide other than I say so." That's a clear cut definition of the petitio principii fallacy and circular reasoning.

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[LaneCh]

It has everything to do with epistemology. My source is God. Yours is your professed reasoning. You've yet to prove that it's false, though. You've only stated that you believe it is because of unsubstantiated assertions. That's hardly convincing.

[camino1ca]

Do you believe in stoning?

[lowbaccaus]

Explain

[LaneCh]

Where did you provide primary source material for any of your assertions? They're empty.

[lowbaccaus]

So wait, proof that the bible is infallible comes from a prediction that says Nebuchadrezzar will completely destroy Tyre, when indeed the video itself says Alexander was actually the one who completely did so (who wasn't mentioned in the prophecy AT ALL), and even he didnt.

Furthermore, the ruins from the first city were obviously found, as Alexander found them and used them to build a causeway to destroy Tyre. I think I've adequately debunked this prophecy, and the entire Bible by extention.

[LaneCh]

lol

Thanks for sharing. Usually seeing the arguments from the other side actually help our cause. It certainly has in your case.

[greens47]

The only intellectually honest approach to the Bible is to recognize it for what it is. A collection of historical fact, literary fiction and even mythology. The idea of a 100%error free, historically factual Bible is indefensible. This doesn't mean that God doesn't exist or that Jesus wasn't divine and the Savior of all men. It does mean that the ancient view of the Bible was an ignorant, naive one that falters in the light of over a century of higher criticism. That's just being honest.

[LaneCh]

Name one example of literary fiction and one example of mythology found in the Bible.

[oskais]

The flood.

[LaneCh]

Name one example of literary fiction and one example of mythology found in the Bible.

[Uzzius008]

Can you find me error or mythology?Just sayng that you think that doesn't make this true,prove it,give us error and mythology,the flood is historical prooved,go along!!!!!!!!!

[nidodson]

A global flood isnt historically proven, it is actually impossible. The Earth is covered in 70% or so of water, and if all the water in the ice caps and all where else was in the form of liquid, then the Earth would only be 75% or so water.

That the science behind it though.

[ForGodAlone]

LOVE, LOVE, LOVE this message! I never tire of hearing it! I've never heard such irrefutable, undeniable proof that the Bible is the true, inerrant Word of God.

[fishboi87]

satan can not be in more than one place at one time. but.....he has an army of demons that do his bidding. that is how he can mess with 6 billion people. God didnt create satan to damn humanity, humanity damned itself by turning away from god.

[mumpty]

True, the devil & his hordes need to do little to influence people to commit sin, given 1/2 a chance that's were we go...

[paulc1939]

So let me see if I have this right? I can prove that the Bible is the word of God by reading the Bible. There are many passages in the Bible that say the Bible is the word of GOD! If you can accept this line of reasoning, I have a bridge in San Francisco for sale.

[LaneCh]

Who's saying that it's because of that? The Bible is 100% accurate in terms of prophecies and fulfillment. Thanks for sharing your straw man, though. It shows the credibility of your position even that much more.

[LacusOdii]

Matthew 24-3: "when will this happen, and what will be the sign of your coming and of the end of the age?"

-10:"At that time the sign of the Son of Man will appear in the sky, and all the nations of the earth will mourn. They will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of the sky, with power and great glory. "

-34:"I tell you the truth, this generation will certainly not pass away until all these things have happened."

"Generation" is used repeatedly in that book and does not mean "race."

[jas03000]

Why do you disable your comments on some of your videos. That annoys me greatly.

I have a question for you. Is Satan omipresent

as God? One preacher on t.v. said "no he is not". How can this be? Surely there are people

being tempted by Satan at the same time. There's 6billion of us. That would indicate that he can be in two places at once.

The concept of Satan is foolish anyway. God the creator of all things creates a being for the sole purpose to try to damn humanity.

[LaneCh]

Obviously I don't disable my comments or yours wouldn't have gone through. Satan isn't omnipresent. He's a created being.

Oh yeah. You're blocked from commenting further now. Does that annoy you? :)

[prinzemike]

The Bible dosen't say much about satan,, other than he is a fallen angel. But we can also see in the Bible that satan isn't the only fallen angel, others are fallen with him.

But satan isn't the answer to all evil and wickenes in the world, humans are. We are responsible for the fall of sin, wars, nature disasters etc etc- that are our action and results of our actions. That's also why men needs a savior, and thats savior is Jesus Christ our Lord.

[ForGodAlone]

I have never in my life, ever, heard more remarkable evidence and incontrovertible proof that the Bible is the Word of God and that Jesus IS the Messiah! There is absolutely nothing to dispute in this video! This pastor is a man of God and I don't say such things lightly. This needs to be made into a DVD and given away to everyone who will watch it.

[lewisdogg13]

Where is the Old Covenant or Tanakh co-relation to the prophecy "..he will be called a nazarene." ?? Where could I find it if I were to look for it? I ask because I want to know for myself.

[GPLeague]

"Nazareth, an obscure town 70 mi. N of Jerusalem, was a place of lowly reputation, and nowhere mentioned in the OT. Some have suggested that "Nazarene" us a reference to the Heb. word for branch in Is 11:1. Others point out that Matthew's statement that "prophets" had made this prediction may be a reference to verbal prophecies nowhere recorded in the OT. (CONT...)

[GPLeague]

"A still more likely explanation is that Matthew is using "Nazarene" as a synonym for someone who is despised or detestable-for that was how people from the region were often characterized (cf. Jn 1:46). If that is the case, the prophecies Matthew has in minf would include Ps 22:6-8; Is 49:7; 53:3."

-John MacArthur, MacArthur Study Bible

[lewisdogg13]

Yes. A Man Despised or detestable, and treated as a criminal, judged and sentenced under Mosaic law or Torah. I am without a scripture passage for this, but mentioned in Dueternomy is passages which entail how criminals are to be tried and executed, and this fits the description beautifully!

Shalom!

[lewisdogg13]

Hmmm... "A shoot shall come out from the stump of Jesse, and a branch shall grow out of his roots..."

Nararene=Branch?

Thinking Hebrewically, Yeshua(or Jesus)in the Gospels refers to himself as the Vine and his disciples (them and us) as the branches.

The beauty of this interpretation is we are grafted into the 12 tribes of Israel and are no longer to consider ourselves gentiles(pagans, heathen) Eph 2:1-3 as a reference. More.