god, chill out... saturday night live is a comedy show, and this is a sketch not a political analysis. get over it; and acquire some sense of humor FFS.
Oh come on, there was a Greek god of finance -- Hades. The Romans called him Pluto, that's where the word "plutocrat" comes from ;-)
And there was a Greek god of economy as well -- Hermes. His favourite source of income was dice gambling, he invented backgammon. That's why the Greeks love hanging around in the cafeteria playing backgammon, but more than 3 days a week, more than 1 hour per day, and well over the age of 45 ;-)
'Cause if you do, I can assure you that if when you talk like & the temprature falls by 30 degrees Celsius, they won't let you write another episode.
P.S:
Hades: Greek god of the underworld not finance (HE IS god of finance for the Americans if you consider the fact that ALL THE TOXIC bank derivatives, the CDSs etc. are Made in USA ),
Pluto is Greek not Roman mythology,
Backgammon: a very clever stratigicaly game (NOT GAMBLING).
Are you trying to teach me Greek mythology, or backgammon? lol
Hades was the God of the underworld, and as the metals coined by the ancient Greeks were beneath the surface, they considered him the God of money, and finances as well.
Backgammon is a game of strategy, like chess, or go? Well, it depends. Maybe you've got a very clever strategy in casting the dice, in other words: cheating. Hermes was also the God of cheating -- that's why the Greeks love him so much.
... The Greeks cheated when they entered the EU, and they cheated again when they entered the Euro zone.
And they are proud of it. Among their oh so many "favorable" national characteristics they appreciate one in particular: it's called "poniriá", meaning the ability to cheat others. Don't deny it, I know Greece longer, and better than you do.
What Greeks are calling poniria EVERYBODY else calls it diplomacy. Poniria is the BASIC element of diplomacy. You thing I'm ten years old? You'll have to do a little better than this...
You're presenting things very simple. The rest of Europeans are SHEEPS got eaten by the wolf-Greece.
You think that's what happend? Let me tell u that only an idiot believes that, further more when today we clearly see WHO'S the REAL wolf (it couldn't be Greece of course).
Excuse me, but the Greek word for diplomacy is "diplomatía". However, in a certain way you're right, for Greek diplomats consider it their paramount task to cheat others, so to them, diplomatía, and poniriá may well be the same.
As I said before, that's what they did when they entered the EU, that's what they did when they entered the Euro zone, and that's what they're doing right now, for they won't apply the new austerity measures they promised.
The money that EU gave to Gre, the vast percentage, are in Germany, France, Italy, the UK & of course the US. How come?
ALL the infrastructure the last 20 years were designed, execuded (most of them) & OVERESTIMATED economicaly (OVERPAID TOO with Gre's polititians help) by foreign construction companies.
The HUGE amount of weapons Greece was (&still is) forced to buy are vastly from those countries too.
You only say things in a way that serves your purpose.
would say: O Baldrick ine ponirós, or: Baldrick has a cunning plan.
And yes, the money given from Brussels is in Greece already, for they borrowed it long ago, during all those years they spent more than they produced. It's not as if it were fresh money, but do you really expect it to be given twice?
As for jokes: It is sad that nowadays, some facts must only be said in irony, or comedy. All the same they may be true, and in this case they certainly are!
I said that diplomacy's basic element is poniria. If you don't know that, it's thats your problem. It also means that you haven't read not one history (ANYONE) book OR if you did you understood shit.
It is foolish & UNREALISTIC for someone to believe that Greece cheated France, Germany, Italy, Spain, Austria, Belgium, Holland, Finland & all the others, to enter E/Z.
It's impossible to do & A VERY CHEAP ARGUMENT.
These countries WASN'T CHARITY INSTITUTIONS as YOU present them.
I've been thinking about it & I would like you opinion (just read the previous posts 1st) on something.
When I say those companies got overpaid with "help" from Greece's polititians I MEAN of course that THEY WORE BRIBING those politians. This is common knowledge. Take SIEMENS for example which claims that it gave almost €150mil bribing polititians, so that they'll overestimate EVERYTHING it constructed.
WHO IS WORSE, the one that bribes someone or the one that's being bribed?
Unfortunately, there are countries where you can't sell anything to the gvmt w/o bribing some politician/official, Greece being one of them.
In order to get your money back you have to add it to your selling price, so in fact, the sellers don't overprice their products, but the politicians steal the money from their people.
Alright, the Greeks need weapons in defence against the Turds. However, the price they pay is their own fault. E.g., a couple of years ago...
This is how you avoid to answer the question? By saying that the polititians kept the money for themselves?
SIEMENS ITSELF throught it's president in Greece AND from the haedquarters in Germany admited that they wore bribing polititians. EVERYONE KNOWS that what this company constructed is OVERPAID.
Man you don't speak the reality. What you calim are COMPLETELY INACCURATE. Where does those things come from, your brain or anywhere in your body?
As I tried to explain, anybody who wants to sell anything to the gvmt of Greece, has to bribe some Greek politician/official. That's not the fault of the sellers, but the takers.
And it's the Greeks' own fault they have to buy so many products, and services from abroad because they're incapable of doing it themselves.
Streets, and tanks don't grow on trees, not even in France, or Germany, or the U.S.
That's a fact, even if it may be a provocative one.
I don't want to continue this debade. Not because I can't..
According to you when a company bribes it's ok, the false is to one who gets bribed. We live in a world where the companies are never to blame no matter what. Instead the people is to blame for a bounch of polititians the companies OWN.
We see tobay where this way of thinking led us. We see it in the US, in Europe, in Afrika.
This won't lead us anywhere.
Then again universe always finds a way to balance.
Saying that a EU-E/Z country, the economy of which was at the 28th place globaly couldn't construct it's own roads, is out of reality. It's false & once more you're being mean.
Those European companies, bribing their way out, pushed away Greece's companies that shrank economically & finaly most of them got bought.
I'm sure you have no problem with these tactics, that's the way the blessed matkets work and created this paradise.
... the Greeks acquired a licence - certainly not overpriced - to build the German Leopard II tank themselves. But they were incapable to do it, and a shoddy tank may be deadly, so in addition, they had to buy the Leopards directly from Germany, and some more tanks in the U.S. as well.
Same for the Olympic games: The Greeks were incapable of building the necessary infrastructure, so they had foreign companies do it -- after the politicians took bribes, of course.
not funny, stupid, and racist. I was stationed in Greece for 4 years. The people were wonderful. I was then sent to the middle east, any stupid videos about them?
I mean, of course, to strike at their language, their religion, their cultural and historical reserves, so that we can neutralize their ability to develop, to distinguish themselves, or to prevail; thereby removing them as an obstacle to our strategically vital plans in the Balkans, the Mediterranean, and the Middle East....".
To the growing INTERNATIONAL PROTESTS for what troika is doing to Greece & to the acts of moral support to the Greek people,
AN UPDATE:
Two mayors from South Italy (Cava dei Tirreni & Salerno) with letter to: José Barroso, Martin Schulz, Mario Monti etc, refused their salary giving it symbolically from now on to the Greek people, saying:
"Greece is not being treated right......Europe is based on friendship & brotherhood (not on genocide) & is today evaluated...".
I would guess so that the majority of people that they comment in this video are either Americans or British!Surprising??I wouldn't say!Greeks gave all of you education maths chemistry anything just name it.But you falling when it comes to ethics!If we were lazy as this rubbish video indicate maths wouldn't exist today and all of you would still climbing in the trees!Just be nice people suffering!!!
I would guess so that the majority of people that they comment in this video are either Americans or British!Surprising??I wouldn't say!Greeks gave all of you education maths chemistry anything just name it.But you falling when it comes to ethics!If we were lazy as this rubbish video indicate maths wouldn't exist today and all of you would still climbing in the trees!Just be nice people suffering!!!
To the growing INTERNATIONAL PROTESTS for what troika is doing to Greece & to the acts of moral support to the Greek people (the People of Nantes France asked for Greek CITIZENSHIP).
AN UPDATE:
A group of English backbenchers (I think 29 or 39 of them) resenting to the hardest ever & UNJUSTIFIED prosperity mesaures imposed on a country (by the troika BUT mostly because of German demand), are going to start a campaign to inform the citizens of the UK about the genocide taking place in Greece.
I know how the Greeks can get rich fast and stay rich. Every time somebody uses a word of Greek origin in any language e.g. English, French, Spanish, German etc. he has to pay royalties to the Greek government. This should get them out of debt quickly.
How hard must it be to show to the people who are talking in a humiliating way about the Greeks, that MOST of what they've heard are NOTHING BUT OUTRAGEOUS LIES.
I've posted many comments to videos & to people & it's impossible to make them see the truth.
They believe the media in their country, the media who continously lie about almost everything. YOU KNOW THAT RIGHT?
Still when they go out saying this country did this or that country did that, people is FALLING for it.
I am too tired to read all the time that we are lazy.Come on you people.Is there a chance a nation to be lazy and survive against other nations for decades?Are you dumb?I am working 12 to 14 hours a day for the last 7 years.I take a wage 1/3 of the German wage and the prizes here are more expensive than the German prizes.Search before saying something about lazyness.By the way,excellent video:)
Nice funny scetch, though in greece we say that u cant judge comedy, I have to say that the first part is full of bulls**t! Greek people work , and believe me a lot! Also, often they didnt get payed for extra hours of working even b4 the econimic crisis (imagine now) and remember that people in Hellas are payed less than half in comparisson with the rest of Europe and finally the products are the fourth most expencive in europe (more or less). And btw make some research to make some good comedy!
@bgtop9962 Believe me it is not about Greeks not working , it is more about gorverment not using the resources given efficiently ( if not at all actually). And believe me I wished I was out of europe a long time ago for various reasons that cant be explained from here. And if we wanted money without working we would probably ask for the war compensation Germany own us as well as the loans Germany made us take by force!
@bgtop9962 stop being a sheep and get informed by many sources, not just german media! And also read about all the bribery to out shitty politicians from your military and ur company (siemens) that led the country the way it is now! And I am talking about too much money leakage! U thing we are "sandmonkeys" and lazy, but that is not the case my friend. More than half of the youth in Greece CANT find jobs , so they dont work cause THEY CAN NOT
@bgtop9962 Ok the problem is that if we work for even less money we will not be able to afford basic needs such us food and a place to live! As I told b4 the prices in greece are really high. All the money that u think we got didnt go to people, they went directly to the banking system , politicians and multinational companies. But all the dept stayed with people! U know I want to get out of IMF and eurozone cause im sick of being exploited and hated!
There comes to Germany a Greek politician and says - "we do not want to be a nation of waiters and room-maids". Many Germans go to work as waters in Austria or in Spain or elsewhere. because it is work. Not everybody can be boss.
But Greeks do not get it. Years long Bulgarians worked in Greek agriculture - because Greeks were too lazy to work there. Go and pick olives, or tomatoes, watermelons, etc.
I don't really want to interrupt your conversation with bblack21...
BUT,
how do you explain the thesis of the ALL the Greek employer organizations (that's ALL of them) which claims that the salaries is not just the least of the problems, but NOT A PROBLEM AT ALL.
Do all those businessman actually want to give their money to their workers just for fun, or is it 'cause it's really not a problem?
You think these guys & their corporations are charity institutions??
c) the same researces PROVED that, the spreading of Greek dna happened to all of Europe and that can be proved by history too...Greeks didnt came from anywhere...Greeks traveled everywhere and tranfered their dna too...
d) Greek conciousness is so strong that after all the disasters that happened in Greece, this conciousness lives and will live forever
So please DONT speak of bullshit anymore..its a closed matter and its like you say that africans dont share the same origin with their ancestors
for those that say that modern Greeks dont share the same origin than the ancients:
a) countless anthropological researches around the world, proved the origin of different human races such as chinese, indians, africans, Greeks etc.and those researces PROVED that modern Greeks are 80% the same blood with the people that lived here from 50.000 bc...
b)our traditions, language, way of thinking, war spirit etc, is the SAME with the ancient Greeks and if we werent their children that'd be impossible
there isnt a nation that had offered so many to humanity and be fought by many others that didnt offer anything at all....NITCHE...that is what Greece is about....i hope for the people of the world to see (to really see) what the hell is going on and why the global economy criminals have targeted the Greece and redicule it soo much...peace to all and if you hurt my nation i will fucking kill you all....
@bgtop9962 oh now you got me :PP if the newspapers said so, then its true....HOW stupid you have to be to say things like that? go and search to see how many hours Greeks work and you ll see that we work a lot hours that all europeans do and we get paid much lesser...the attack in Greece is happening for a reason and if you cant see it, then you wont understand it if tell you...wake up and dont raise hatred between races...i want peace between us but you dont help...
@bgtop9962 this is where we aggree finally...the problem is not that the greeks DONT work...its that we dont export anything...and that happened cause the last 40 years the governments brought a false way of thinking into the minds of 3 generations of Greeks...and greece wont be out of eurozone, but eurozone propably will be destroyed...it wont last cause Germany continue to act like they are the 4rth Reich...they attack greece cause they want our energy sources..thats the only reason
re mpastarde.......hey malaka video creator....when he was writing the Trojan war....your people where waiting for the mammoth to have a dump and take its turds to make cabins out of them.....MALAKA ....poutanasgie....
The famous "Greek Statistics" were a f*cking international fraud WITH HELP FROM THE INSIDE.
As we speak there's an investigation by the Greek Justice Department for: p.m. G.Papandreou, the minister of economics & the director of the National Statistical Service of Greece, WHO IS A FORMER IMF employee!!
The investigation is for manipulating crucial indicators (shortfall from 9% to 15,5%) WHICH OPENED the gates for the IMF to enter.
IF PROVED they're facing charges for HIGH TREASON.
Total debt and public debt are two different things.
if other people invest money in your economy, you owe them money - debt rises. But when it is productive, you use this debt to buy machines and produce, so you can pay your money back.
So,those contributing to the bailouts are making a profit on their investment and the majority of their money is being returned to European banks that have in the past bought Greek bonds.
Hellas eurozone partners are lending this money, not gifting it.
Based on a rudimentary calculation involving all the disbursements for the first year being added together and charged at a rate of 3.5 percent, France and Germany earned about 300 million euros each in interest over the 12 months.The total interest for the first year of loans stands at about 1.3 billion euros.
Some analysts calculate that at last 60 percent of the bailout money leaves Greece in the form of loan repayments.
When about half of the working population is employed in jobs where their income is taxed at source, thereby ensuring they cannot avoid paying their dues, it is unfair to tar the whole country with the same brush.
Eurostat figures consistently show that Hellenes (Greeks for the ignorants) work the longest hours in the eurozone. The latest figures show that Hellenes worked an average of 40.9 hours per week in 2010. The eurozone average was 36.6!!!!
If you want,we could you give you names judging by the ill- behavior of your teenagers visiting Hellas every summer,in Malia or Hersonissos for example,but we are NOT going to fall at your level !!!
@angathi Φιλε, προς ενημερωσιν σου και εντελως φιλικα, τον ονομα Greece πηγαζει εκ του ΓΡΕΚΙΑ και η λεξις ΓΡΑΙΚΟΣ( ο αρχαιος) και ΓΡΕΚΙΑ (αρχαια χωρα) ηταν οι ονομασιες της Ελλαδος προτου ονομαστει ΕΛΛΑΣ...και ακομα πιο αρχαιοτερη ονομασια για τους Ελληνες ηταν ΠΕΛΑΣΓΟΙ--παναρχαια ονομασια...οποτε εαν σας λενε Γραικους να το υπερηφανευεστε...φιλικα παντα φιλε
@HellenicSacredKin ... Τι λες ρε φιλε... Γρεκια ηταν ονομασια της Ελλαδος πριν να ονομαστει Ελλας;; Ποιος τα λεει αυτα;; Γραικος υπαρχη στη ελληνικη μυθολογια και δεν εχει καμμια σχεση με αυτο που λεμε Ελληνες και Ελλαδα....
@HellenicSacredKin Φιλε μονο που ο Ελλην ηταν ο αμεσως γιος του Δευκαλιωνος και της Πυρρας!!! Δεν λεω οτι το Γραικοι δεν ειναι καλο αλλα ΕΛΛΑΣ ειναι πιο εκφραστικο σαν ονομα διοτι σημαινει η Γη του Φωτος, πραγμα που μας εκφραζει απολυτα!!!
Και οντως το Αρειοι/Πελασγοι ηταν απο τις πιο αρχαιες ονομασιες!!!
Great taste of humor coming from the land of the ignorant !!! You do not have a clue of what is what is going on in Hellas (Not Greece you imbeciles!!!) and you still insist of laughing at us as if your country is the the paradiese of law and order!!!
Very nice using media propaganda to mislead uninformed and illiterate people...Wake up and see why they are afraid of Greece...Try as match as you can, Greece will march again to its rightful place..
All those independent numbers (World Bank 2010), I wrote below (please READ THEM & compare them with the spaculators "truth"), were manipulated (it's UNDER INVASTIGATION by the GREEK JUSTICE) by the Greek prime minister G.Papandreou, the minister of economics Papakonstantinou & the director of the National Statistical Service of Greece, WHO IS A FORMER IMF employee!!
All those lies are for the people in EUROPE to pay the market bubbles, the economic ballons.
This video costs some money.George Sorros money of course.And the artists are FYROMIANS from diaspora of course.Ho ho vski propaganda vski from FYROMSKI.Try more u r close to win.To win FROM THE THREE THE LONGEST ONE.
Let me tell you how most of this debt was produced...
As we speak those who are lending money to Greece (€90 billion!), are LITERALLY FORCING this country to buy 60 (!!!) Eurofighters (Germans mostly), 8 or 10 French frigates (battleships) and some other weapons. The US is using the same tactics too.
They are lending money to Greece in order to buy new weapons.
This is the general way that most of the debt was produced.
@franknwalters Of course,but I see no reason why the Czech Republic (for example), had to borrow money to the state,who can not manage taxpayers' money.Similarly, there is no other way than the crash of Greece,perhaps other countries...should then recover, because otherwise I believe it not ...otherwise they will be indebted to infinity. and interesting is that some countries have almost no debt,are doing well economically and have no problems...we will have referendum about this
My friend, Czech Republic don't have a country like Turkey which FORMALY threatens Greece's territorial integrity with war (Turkey holds a casus belli 4 Greece).
No country is the problem, don't fall for that.
The whole world, but Europe mostly, will pay for the HUGE speculative bubbles, the market bubbles, the (economic) balloons, which was made in the USA & the European countries iflated them.
These balloons we'll all pay, through country debts.
@franknwalters I understand and I know it, but I think that the referendum can be held. because in my country about this week was in government. btw we are not members of the eurozone - in terms of money Greece. in terms of money the International Monetary Fund, this is another problem, but this post is about the Greek ...
@franknwalters The threat from Turkey is in your imagination...it is an excuse...if Turkey didn't exist you would have to invent it...Greece is responsible for its own mess now we all have to pay
That's what they want you to believe & you obviously DO, although you (personaly) have the power to search & learn what is really going on & why the markets are doing what they do. BUT I'll give you an excuse.
You're from the UK right? What you probably don't know is that Anglo-Saxon hedge funds are behind the "attack" to the EU countries. Search for it.
Now, if you don't want to find the truth,hang on on "Greece's mess" & pay!
@franknwalters Don't give me the "Anglo Saxon" crap... this is your own fault. What did you spend the money on...and this is in spite of HUGE subsidies from the EU for infrastructure etc? You spent it on a bloated public sector, oversubsidised trains and ports, over generous pensions and unrestrained corruption...even now poor conscript Spyros is probably in the army motor pool trying to fix the fuel system of his expensive tank.
@franknwalters Greece will never solve this problem while it tries to blame everybody else for its problem rather than looking in the mirror. But this seems to be the case all of of the time...we always hear the perrenial Greek whine "It wasn't meee". We here it over the Aegean and Turkey, we heard it over Cyprus and now we hear it over the debt crisis. Nobody forced you to borrow all that money.
@franknwalters come on don t say that.. we need this weapons to defend our freedom against the bad guys from the east with the weapons of mass destruction we never found and iran who has nuclear weapons and will destroy us next week. and we need weapons to defend our interests in oil, my car is thirsty man. and as we fucked up africa already we need new targets. i am really dissapointed that you don t understand our needs :)
@franknwalters So Greece is being forced to buy all these military toys? Please be serious. Greece has been buying up all this kit because it is paranoid about Turkey. However it is nice to see the possibility that Greece will have to buy in Turkish electricity for its Aegean islands and that Greek Cyprus might need to take on Turkish water...it already did the electricity thing. Turrkish neighbourliness might catch on in Greece - that would be good.
First of all, there's no Greek-Cyprus or Turkish-Cyprus. There's only Cyprus.
You probably don't follow the international press.
Turkey is one of the biggest investments in weapons today in the world & holds the 7th place (could be 6th now) in the weaponry by country list globally(NATO: 4th).
This country invaded & still is occupying part of Cyprus & holds a casus belli for Greece, almost 17years now.
So, who exactly is being paranoid with whom again?
@franknwalters So let's look....Turkey is sitting there with Armenia (hostile), Iran (hostile), Iraq (psychotic)Syria (disintegrating), the PKK killing thousands (and with Greek help in the past) and a belligerent, paranoid Greece...oh, and Russia just across the Black Sea. Aaand Greece has..sod all to worry about except its self inflicted debt, where the next bail out is coming from and a massive sense of entitlement, Did I miss anything?
----> On the contrary, Greece has oil&gas AND THAT'S what the lenders are after.
GREECE CAN & WILL PAY and they KNOW IT.
For sure the country is to blame! But DON'T YOU GIVE ME THAT CRAP that we leave in a world which ALL THE STUPID PEOPLE "who didn't know anything" were lending money to Greece, which it spend to OUZO&SUN.
@franknwalters Idiot? Maybe not. Unrealistic? Yes.If Greece does not get these bail out payments salaries don't get paid. Greece has been getting a free ride at our expense since it joined the EU. Forget pride. This is a fact. Turkey is no threat to Greece. Greece's paranoid personality and pride makes Turkey an imaginary threat. All this oil amounts to nothing in the ground.If banks were stupid to lend (a fact) then Greeks were even more stupid to borrow so much.
You're telling me that the casus belli, WHICH ISN'T just a choise of a Turkish goverment, BUT a Turkish National Assembly RESOLUTION back in 1995 AND ACTIVE EVER SINCE TO THIS DAY, is in my imagination?
Don't be shilly man, ANYONE can find this on the internet. IT'S A FACT!
What is the point blaming Greece as paranoid, when we have FACTS here that anyone can find, read & confirm?
@franknwalters My drug is truth...without wanting to sound too mystical. Would we by any chance referring to the the TGNA's reaction to Greece's proposal to unilaterally extend Greek territorial waters in the Aegean? Now it seems to me, that given the geography of the Aegean, this is the kind of action that was completely unnecessary, counterproductive and could easail;y be interpreted as bellicose. I'm sure you don't need to look at a map to see the point.
@franknwalters Always it is someone else's fault, but everything you do has a consequence. There is only one law in history and this is the law of unintended consequences but surely Greece could see the result of declaring a unilateral extension of territory.. This is also in the context of the Balkan conflicts when Greece was particularly paranoid and bellicose, even to the point of helping a country in armed conflict with NATO allies..you see, context is everything
@franknwalters Context....1995, the year of Dayton and Greece is busy buying into the Serbian mythology of "Muslim Encirclement" and leaking secrets to Belgrade thus helping a criminal regime; but rather than considering the criminality of the Belgrade regime Athens is worrying about a neighbour's name (Macedonia), the "growth" of a greater Albania and Turkey which is an ally. Greece puts itself into a position of opposition to the EU and NATO but blames the "Muslims"
@franknwalters Not distorted. Greece has given assistance to the PKK and helped provide Ocalan with shelter before he was finally caught...with help from Mossad, ironically. I am not presenting Greece as the Devil. but you are presenting the Turks as Devil like and can't seem to think that they actually might have a case here. It has not as far as I know helped Iran or Iraq but then Greece always worked to its own pariochial agernda- this is why it supported the criminal Milosovic
Ocalan wasn't caught, he was delivered by the Greek goverment to Turkey. This is what I mean when I say u distort reality.
Tell me, if Greece were helping those terrorists as YOU say, wouldn't there be a prove of that? A photograph, a document, a satelight photo, SOMETHING, ANYTHING?
WHY there's ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to support your thesis?
Maybe it's because you just SPECULATE, as the TURKS DO in order to keep hatred for Greece burning?
@franknwalters The Greeks did not hand Ocalan over - they were busy squirreling him around hoping someone would help them out of a jam. They were caught red handed- with Israeli help ironically. The 1990s were a particularly paranoid time for Greece..their aid to the criminals in Belgrade is well known as well as their help to the PKK. Ocalan was caught with genuine- not fake- Cypriot ID.
Greece as a NATO member participated to the fight against the Milosevic regin. It's true that Greece got in an uncomfortable situation because of the good relations with former Yugoslavia, but it had to fullfil it's obligations to NATO & it did.
What u call "help" or "support" to his regin never actually excisted. Greeks were sending aid to Croatians food, clothing & medical (with doctors), something that Croatia recongnize to this day...
@franknwalters Bulldust. Greece was passing secrets to Belgrade and hosting the likes of Milosevic, Karadjic and Mladic...this is not a big secret. Greece obstructed supplies to NATO forces in Kosovo..the list goes on....Greeks, especially prompted by the Church, were constantly wound up about the "muslim Arc"......recognise that
Have you or anyone else GOT PROVES that Greece were helping pkk and/or Milosevic?
Give one f*cking proof of what you say and I'll stop.
Otherwise you're just a f*cking provocative assh*le.
Don't take that personaly, but in my opinion -and I'm sure many will agree with me- the fact that YOU WROTE that "Greek-Cypriots are occupying south Cyprus", makes you BY DEFINISION a f*cking provocative assh*le, if not worse...
@outsidelight1 Stop the bullshit please ,Turkey is the agressor.Turkey had a point to come into Cyprus to help against the coup,but Turkey has not the right to steal land and kill innocent people that had no involvement in this coup under Sampson.Turkey stayed, and never left, and got away with crimes.Two wrongs dont make a right.Turkey had a right in protecting the Turkish people from this group,but not the right to use it to steal and kill(two wrongs dont make a right).
@kyriacos40 Oh behave! Greek Cypriots undermined the constitution and caged Turks in ghettos for over a decade...The Greek junta tried to finish the job...all the imaginary nefarious Turkish plots can't hide these simple facts. Greeks brought the Cyprus crisis on themselves. Refusing to negotiate afterwards made it worse. You can't unscramble the egg.
@outsidelight1 What a hateful one sided person you are.You probably wont be satisfied until all Greece is under Turkish rule, and the Genocide begins again.You wont be satisfied until you have a Mosque in the center of the Acropolis like the Ottomans did back when they ruled Greece."YOUR DAM RIGHT GREEKS ARE PARANOIDE" and I hope they stay paranoide and never let there gaurd down for the sake of future generation of Greeks.I always remeber a phrase a"A LEOPARD NEVER LOSE'S ITS SPOTS".
@kyriacos40 To all the TURKS out there and the rest of the world who believe they will kneel Greece and anyone with Greek blood...MOLON LAVE!!!! (Lots of love, and ready with my finger in between the trigger from CYPRUS)
@kyriacos40 Thank you very much. Hateful you may think me to be...what I say is accurate. What I would actually like is for Greeks and Turks to get along...and for Greeks not to try and invent a history that denigrates Turks...the leopard whose spots need changing is not Turkey I am afraid.Greeks should read Proverbs 26:11 and ponder the recent past.
@franknwalters More about context...Greece is so paranoid that it actually aids a teerrorist organisation that has caused huge damage to a neighbour and tens of thousands of deaths.. If someone should be worrying about "encirclement" it should be the Turks........Russia, Armenia, Iraq, Syria, Cyprus, Greece..they really were encircled. Greece just felt put upon.
You keep writing of Greece helping the terrorists of PKK. Have you got any proves about that?
I'm curious, 'cause u keep forgeting to write how Greece delivered Abdullah Ocalan -PKK's historic leader- to the Turks.
I mean, how can Greece be helping the PKK terrorists, "causing damage to a neighbour and tens of thousands of deaths" & AT THE SAME TIME giving away PKK's leader to the same neighbour who so cruelly & dishonesty sabotaged?
70 milliom Turks are worried about 10 million Greeks?Its the Turks that intrude and test Greece air space.Its the Turkey that is always threatening Greece,but I am not blaming the Turkish people its the government I blame.Dont tell me high ranking Turkish officials dont have the dream of bringing back the Ottoman empire.Oh come on, Greece should be paranoid, just alone Turkish fighter jets going into Greece air space is enought to be paranoid.You forget the Genocide of Greeks ,Armenians, others.
@kyriacos40 No there is no dream of a return to Ottoman supremacy.This is in your own little head. Turkey was the only defeated Central Power after WW1 that not only determined its own peace but never displayed irredentist tendencies. The National Pact determined Turkey's borders then as now.. There is no Turkish "Megali Idea"...only a Greek one.
"The key factor for instability in the Aegean is the Turkish casus belli, if Greece extend it's territorial waters from 6 nautical miles (11 km), to 12 nautical miles (22 km), as has been enshrined in treaty law by the United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea of 1982 (Art.3).".(int news web page).
UK & all the planet EXCEPT the US & Turkey signed that.
NEVERTHELESS Turkey implemented this treaty to its nothern borders!!!
@franknwalters However...all is not lost. Greeks are approaching Turkey for electricity for Greek Islands in the Aegean. Turkish water will go to the TRNC which has offered to supply on to Greek Cyprus; the TRNC has already supplied Greek Cyprus with electricity. Turkish business is being invited to invest in Greek privitisations so maybe good sense and a desire for rational regional relationships may replace Greece's bellicose past.... so not all bad.
Cyprus is NOT DEVIDED. The nothern part of Cyprus IS OCCUPIED by Turkish forces.
Do you on the island know something differrent than this? 'Cause that' what the EU, the UN and all the other organizations accepts, supports and work for...
@franknwalters Oh be serious. This is the Greek problem. You can't accept facts. Greek Cypriots tried to cheat their way out of their agreements and destroyed the Republic of Cyprus in the process causing misery all round. Now you can't accept that this is a changed game. You can't have it back. You broke it. You had a chance to salvage something but Greek Cypriots rejected it while Turks accepted it. A missed opportunity.
Our debate here is not about Cyprus & one has to agree with the UN (EU too) whose thesis all these years now is that a part of Cyprus is under Turkish occupation. A FACT TOO.
Either you're British (UK's responsibilities on that matter are known) or Turkish, it doesn't matter. AND fyi Turkish Cypriots are going to ask Turkey to leave, on their own.
The smel of money my friend is very sweet, and they're smelling it from far far away...
Let's not play with words. For sure I don't speak english as you do, but I think you understood that I meant Cyprus is not devided by choise or treaty law...
Cyprus is how it is because of Turkish invasion...
I didn't miss the point.
The fact that you believe Greek-Cypriots are occupying south Cyprus MEANS THAT YOU MISSED THE LAST FOUR DECADES.
There's no organization which backing up YOUR EXTREMIST thesis. Only some fanatics in Turkey and some idiots from where you're from.
@outsidelight1 I dont know if you heard of this ,but Israel,Greece and Cyrpus made a deal for power supply line from Israel, since now they have oil to suppy enegery for electric power plant.I dont know the details,but basically from Israel through Cyrpus by means under the water right to Greece supply line of power.They also say this power plant from Israel will supply all of Europe with electric power.If the happens, I dont know,but if it dose great news for Greece,and Europe.
I don't understand why you mention the electricity & water exchange...
All three of them are free countries (except of Cyprus, part of which is under Turkish occupation DON'T forget that). Two are in the EU & the E/Z, all three are in the NATO. Why not have economic & trade relations?
Now that I see the paragraph I wrote above, I think is very easy for ANYONE to see who is being paranoid...
@franknwalters "Why not have economic & trade relations?" Precisely. A good point. So why the belly aching and the hand wringing...why not just move on, forget the mythology and trade yourselves into a better relationship? But always this sense of injustice- often unfounded- and always this sense of entitlement. If you treated the Turks as partners and human beings you would get generosity back. You have a lot in common if you'd bother to look
@franknwalters No I am not a Turk but that is hardly relevant...and about treating the Turks as human beings...the record speaks....just look at the YT commentary and look at comments of people like Makarios and Sampsion and so on. There is always only one side and as an outsider looking in- someone you actually does know a bit of history- I can tell you that no one has clean hands so the mythologising should be put to bed.
well done this funny kind financial dramas!
andyinno1 17 hours ago
god, chill out... saturday night live is a comedy show, and this is a sketch not a political analysis. get over it; and acquire some sense of humor FFS.
atasteofhoneypie 1 day ago
Oh come on, there was a Greek god of finance -- Hades. The Romans called him Pluto, that's where the word "plutocrat" comes from ;-)
And there was a Greek god of economy as well -- Hermes. His favourite source of income was dice gambling, he invented backgammon. That's why the Greeks love hanging around in the cafeteria playing backgammon, but more than 3 days a week, more than 1 hour per day, and well over the age of 45 ;-)
schlagerhansi 2 days ago
@schlagerhansi
Are you writing the script for this show?
'Cause if you do, I can assure you that if when you talk like & the temprature falls by 30 degrees Celsius, they won't let you write another episode.
P.S:
Hades: Greek god of the underworld not finance (HE IS god of finance for the Americans if you consider the fact that ALL THE TOXIC bank derivatives, the CDSs etc. are Made in USA ),
Pluto is Greek not Roman mythology,
Backgammon: a very clever stratigicaly game (NOT GAMBLING).
franknwalters 1 day ago
@franknwalters
Are you trying to teach me Greek mythology, or backgammon? lol
Hades was the God of the underworld, and as the metals coined by the ancient Greeks were beneath the surface, they considered him the God of money, and finances as well.
Backgammon is a game of strategy, like chess, or go? Well, it depends. Maybe you've got a very clever strategy in casting the dice, in other words: cheating. Hermes was also the God of cheating -- that's why the Greeks love him so much.
schlagerhansi 1 day ago
@franknwalters
... The Greeks cheated when they entered the EU, and they cheated again when they entered the Euro zone.
And they are proud of it. Among their oh so many "favorable" national characteristics they appreciate one in particular: it's called "poniriá", meaning the ability to cheat others. Don't deny it, I know Greece longer, and better than you do.
schlagerhansi 1 day ago
@schlagerhansi
You're naive...
franknwalters 1 day ago
@schlagerhansi
What Greeks are calling poniria EVERYBODY else calls it diplomacy. Poniria is the BASIC element of diplomacy. You thing I'm ten years old? You'll have to do a little better than this...
You're presenting things very simple. The rest of Europeans are SHEEPS got eaten by the wolf-Greece.
You think that's what happend? Let me tell u that only an idiot believes that, further more when today we clearly see WHO'S the REAL wolf (it couldn't be Greece of course).
TRY A LITTLE HARDER!
franknwalters 1 day ago
@franknwalters
Excuse me, but the Greek word for diplomacy is "diplomatía". However, in a certain way you're right, for Greek diplomats consider it their paramount task to cheat others, so to them, diplomatía, and poniriá may well be the same.
As I said before, that's what they did when they entered the EU, that's what they did when they entered the Euro zone, and that's what they're doing right now, for they won't apply the new austerity measures they promised.
As Blackadder...
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franknwalters 12 hours ago
@schlagerhansi
& 1 last thing...
The money that EU gave to Gre, the vast percentage, are in Germany, France, Italy, the UK & of course the US. How come?
ALL the infrastructure the last 20 years were designed, execuded (most of them) & OVERESTIMATED economicaly (OVERPAID TOO with Gre's polititians help) by foreign construction companies.
The HUGE amount of weapons Greece was (&still is) forced to buy are vastly from those countries too.
You only say things in a way that serves your purpose.
franknwalters 11 hours ago
@franknwalters
would say: O Baldrick ine ponirós, or: Baldrick has a cunning plan.
And yes, the money given from Brussels is in Greece already, for they borrowed it long ago, during all those years they spent more than they produced. It's not as if it were fresh money, but do you really expect it to be given twice?
As for jokes: It is sad that nowadays, some facts must only be said in irony, or comedy. All the same they may be true, and in this case they certainly are!
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@schlagerhansi
I said that diplomacy's basic element is poniria. If you don't know that, it's thats your problem. It also means that you haven't read not one history (ANYONE) book OR if you did you understood shit.
It is foolish & UNREALISTIC for someone to believe that Greece cheated France, Germany, Italy, Spain, Austria, Belgium, Holland, Finland & all the others, to enter E/Z.
It's impossible to do & A VERY CHEAP ARGUMENT.
These countries WASN'T CHARITY INSTITUTIONS as YOU present them.
franknwalters 11 hours ago
@schlagerhansi
The example you're using to explain the Greek word poniros is deficient.
This word has a very large use, meaning many different things. YOU just took one of them that FITS YOUR WAY of thinking.
I don't think I need to give you a similar example but for an english word.
In a few words, I don't really understand why you feel the need to by all means humilliate Greece & even worse the Greek people.
I told you, NO ONE CAN CONDEMN A WHOLE NATION as if it is one person...
franknwalters 11 hours ago
@schlagerhansi
I've been thinking about it & I would like you opinion (just read the previous posts 1st) on something.
When I say those companies got overpaid with "help" from Greece's polititians I MEAN of course that THEY WORE BRIBING those politians. This is common knowledge. Take SIEMENS for example which claims that it gave almost €150mil bribing polititians, so that they'll overestimate EVERYTHING it constructed.
WHO IS WORSE, the one that bribes someone or the one that's being bribed?
franknwalters 8 hours ago
@franknwalters
Unfortunately, there are countries where you can't sell anything to the gvmt w/o bribing some politician/official, Greece being one of them.
In order to get your money back you have to add it to your selling price, so in fact, the sellers don't overprice their products, but the politicians steal the money from their people.
Alright, the Greeks need weapons in defence against the Turds. However, the price they pay is their own fault. E.g., a couple of years ago...
schlagerhansi 6 hours ago
@schlagerhansi
Ha, ha, ha...
This is how you avoid to answer the question? By saying that the polititians kept the money for themselves?
SIEMENS ITSELF throught it's president in Greece AND from the haedquarters in Germany admited that they wore bribing polititians. EVERYONE KNOWS that what this company constructed is OVERPAID.
Man you don't speak the reality. What you calim are COMPLETELY INACCURATE. Where does those things come from, your brain or anywhere in your body?
U JUST PROVOKE.
franknwalters 6 hours ago
@franknwalters
As I tried to explain, anybody who wants to sell anything to the gvmt of Greece, has to bribe some Greek politician/official. That's not the fault of the sellers, but the takers.
And it's the Greeks' own fault they have to buy so many products, and services from abroad because they're incapable of doing it themselves.
Streets, and tanks don't grow on trees, not even in France, or Germany, or the U.S.
That's a fact, even if it may be a provocative one.
schlagerhansi 5 hours ago
@schlagerhansi
I don't want to continue this debade. Not because I can't..
According to you when a company bribes it's ok, the false is to one who gets bribed. We live in a world where the companies are never to blame no matter what. Instead the people is to blame for a bounch of polititians the companies OWN.
We see tobay where this way of thinking led us. We see it in the US, in Europe, in Afrika.
This won't lead us anywhere.
Then again universe always finds a way to balance.
franknwalters 1 hour ago
@schlagerhansi
One last thing...
Saying that a EU-E/Z country, the economy of which was at the 28th place globaly couldn't construct it's own roads, is out of reality. It's false & once more you're being mean.
Those European companies, bribing their way out, pushed away Greece's companies that shrank economically & finaly most of them got bought.
I'm sure you have no problem with these tactics, that's the way the blessed matkets work and created this paradise.
PRAICE THE MARKETS...
franknwalters 55 minutes ago
@franknwalters
... the Greeks acquired a licence - certainly not overpriced - to build the German Leopard II tank themselves. But they were incapable to do it, and a shoddy tank may be deadly, so in addition, they had to buy the Leopards directly from Germany, and some more tanks in the U.S. as well.
Same for the Olympic games: The Greeks were incapable of building the necessary infrastructure, so they had foreign companies do it -- after the politicians took bribes, of course.
schlagerhansi 6 hours ago
For all haters. THIS IS A PARODY. NOT REAL STUFF. so calm down
xTiamatex 2 days ago 2
not funny, stupid, and racist. I was stationed in Greece for 4 years. The people were wonderful. I was then sent to the middle east, any stupid videos about them?
byzan24 2 days ago
Anyone else notice it's mirrored..?
RavageDionne 4 days ago
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Henry Kissinger about the Greeks:
"...Perhaps then we can force them to conform.
I mean, of course, to strike at their language, their religion, their cultural and historical reserves, so that we can neutralize their ability to develop, to distinguish themselves, or to prevail; thereby removing them as an obstacle to our strategically vital plans in the Balkans, the Mediterranean, and the Middle East....".
September 1974
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To the growing INTERNATIONAL PROTESTS for what troika is doing to Greece & to the acts of moral support to the Greek people,
AN UPDATE:
Two mayors from South Italy (Cava dei Tirreni & Salerno) with letter to: José Barroso, Martin Schulz, Mario Monti etc, refused their salary giving it symbolically from now on to the Greek people, saying:
"Greece is not being treated right......Europe is based on friendship & brotherhood (not on genocide) & is today evaluated...".
franknwalters 6 days ago
3 days a week, 1 hour a day, till age 45 LOL
timDOGcrane555 6 days ago
@timDOGcrane555 so unfair
vabilas28 4 days ago
@timDOGcrane555
Lol. I lived in greece for two years. That pretty much sums it up. Its true. Don't forget the bribery and under the table work.
whatthefluk 3 days ago
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I would guess so that the majority of people that they comment in this video are either Americans or British!Surprising??I wouldn't say!Greeks gave all of you education maths chemistry anything just name it.But you falling when it comes to ethics!If we were lazy as this rubbish video indicate maths wouldn't exist today and all of you would still climbing in the trees!Just be nice people suffering!!!
Kallipsw 6 days ago
I would guess so that the majority of people that they comment in this video are either Americans or British!Surprising??I wouldn't say!Greeks gave all of you education maths chemistry anything just name it.But you falling when it comes to ethics!If we were lazy as this rubbish video indicate maths wouldn't exist today and all of you would still climbing in the trees!Just be nice people suffering!!!
Kallipsw 6 days ago
i hate snl but i gotta say this video was pretty funny
theWHITESTkidUKNOWN 1 week ago
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To the growing INTERNATIONAL PROTESTS for what troika is doing to Greece & to the acts of moral support to the Greek people (the People of Nantes France asked for Greek CITIZENSHIP).
AN UPDATE:
A group of English backbenchers (I think 29 or 39 of them) resenting to the hardest ever & UNJUSTIFIED prosperity mesaures imposed on a country (by the troika BUT mostly because of German demand), are going to start a campaign to inform the citizens of the UK about the genocide taking place in Greece.
franknwalters 1 week ago
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franknwalters 1 week ago
I know how the Greeks can get rich fast and stay rich. Every time somebody uses a word of Greek origin in any language e.g. English, French, Spanish, German etc. he has to pay royalties to the Greek government. This should get them out of debt quickly.
d4fq3ed 1 week ago
@d4fq3ed
You're very clever !
I'm sorry... Was that a joke?
franknwalters 1 week ago
How hard must it be to show to the people who are talking in a humiliating way about the Greeks, that MOST of what they've heard are NOTHING BUT OUTRAGEOUS LIES.
I've posted many comments to videos & to people & it's impossible to make them see the truth.
They believe the media in their country, the media who continously lie about almost everything. YOU KNOW THAT RIGHT?
Still when they go out saying this country did this or that country did that, people is FALLING for it.
Bravo! Keep up...
franknwalters 1 week ago 16
I am too tired to read all the time that we are lazy.Come on you people.Is there a chance a nation to be lazy and survive against other nations for decades?Are you dumb?I am working 12 to 14 hours a day for the last 7 years.I take a wage 1/3 of the German wage and the prizes here are more expensive than the German prizes.Search before saying something about lazyness.By the way,excellent video:)
LakedemonP 1 week ago
The Gods have spoken and they say the dolphin option may be our best bet...
CanadianoftheCoast 1 week ago
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by the way hermes was the god of economy and commerce, while americans only have one god, money.
phode 1 week ago
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ΑΝΤΕ ΣΤΟ ΔΙΑΛΟ ΕΛΛΗΝΙΣΤΙ
drakar3185 1 week ago
Nice funny scetch, though in greece we say that u cant judge comedy, I have to say that the first part is full of bulls**t! Greek people work , and believe me a lot! Also, often they didnt get payed for extra hours of working even b4 the econimic crisis (imagine now) and remember that people in Hellas are payed less than half in comparisson with the rest of Europe and finally the products are the fourth most expencive in europe (more or less). And btw make some research to make some good comedy!
bblack21 1 week ago
@bblack21
Greece exports less than Bulgaria. are Greek salaries less than Bulgarian, too?
So shut up, malyakas, and get to work.
Europe is sick of you!
bgtop9962 1 week ago
@bblack21
what was the salary of an ordinary police officer? 3000 Euro net? Cops in Bavaria can dream of such salaries.
bgtop9962 1 week ago
@bblack21
If Greece exports less than Bulgaria why should Greeks get more money?
Bulgaria has 16% debt, Greece 190% debt.
So Bulgarians have no debts.
Do you think Greeks are better than the other people in Europe? Everybody else has to work for his money, just Greeks want money without work.
It is just over, get it.
Schäuble said yesterday for Reuters - "No more patience with the Greeks. if necessary they are out of Europe".
bgtop9962 1 week ago
@bgtop9962 Believe me it is not about Greeks not working , it is more about gorverment not using the resources given efficiently ( if not at all actually). And believe me I wished I was out of europe a long time ago for various reasons that cant be explained from here. And if we wanted money without working we would probably ask for the war compensation Germany own us as well as the loans Germany made us take by force!
bblack21 1 week ago
@bgtop9962 stop being a sheep and get informed by many sources, not just german media! And also read about all the bribery to out shitty politicians from your military and ur company (siemens) that led the country the way it is now! And I am talking about too much money leakage! U thing we are "sandmonkeys" and lazy, but that is not the case my friend. More than half of the youth in Greece CANT find jobs , so they dont work cause THEY CAN NOT
bblack21 1 week ago
@bblack21
There is always work - it is matter of price.
work for less money - what is the problem then?
why should Slovaks who get less money than Greeks help Greece?
or Estonians?
In Bulgaria agricultural export from Greece subsidized by EU subsidies , crowded out Bulgarian produce.
yet Bulgaria still has larger export than Greece per capita.
so you just will get less money at first - that is all.
bgtop9962 1 week ago
@bgtop9962 Ok the problem is that if we work for even less money we will not be able to afford basic needs such us food and a place to live! As I told b4 the prices in greece are really high. All the money that u think we got didnt go to people, they went directly to the banking system , politicians and multinational companies. But all the dept stayed with people! U know I want to get out of IMF and eurozone cause im sick of being exploited and hated!
bblack21 1 week ago
@bblack21
were there 13 and 14 salary? were there additional perks for government employees?
there were rents for people born in 1818.
all the people of a whole island had declared themselves blind to get pension for incapacity
my cousin in Bulgaria is really blind - all he gets is 50 Euro per month pension.
so don't tell me Greeks hunger
bgtop9962 1 week ago
@bblack21
being exploited?
There comes to Germany a Greek politician and says - "we do not want to be a nation of waiters and room-maids". Many Germans go to work as waters in Austria or in Spain or elsewhere. because it is work. Not everybody can be boss.
But Greeks do not get it. Years long Bulgarians worked in Greek agriculture - because Greeks were too lazy to work there. Go and pick olives, or tomatoes, watermelons, etc.
There is work for you out there - go and work.
bgtop9962 1 week ago
@bgtop9962
I don't really want to interrupt your conversation with bblack21...
BUT,
how do you explain the thesis of the ALL the Greek employer organizations (that's ALL of them) which claims that the salaries is not just the least of the problems, but NOT A PROBLEM AT ALL.
Do all those businessman actually want to give their money to their workers just for fun, or is it 'cause it's really not a problem?
You think these guys & their corporations are charity institutions??
franknwalters 1 week ago
Andy Samberg's face at 2:17 and 3:30 are priceless
maisely 1 week ago
c) the same researces PROVED that, the spreading of Greek dna happened to all of Europe and that can be proved by history too...Greeks didnt came from anywhere...Greeks traveled everywhere and tranfered their dna too...
d) Greek conciousness is so strong that after all the disasters that happened in Greece, this conciousness lives and will live forever
So please DONT speak of bullshit anymore..its a closed matter and its like you say that africans dont share the same origin with their ancestors
HellenicSacredKin 1 week ago
for those that say that modern Greeks dont share the same origin than the ancients:
a) countless anthropological researches around the world, proved the origin of different human races such as chinese, indians, africans, Greeks etc.and those researces PROVED that modern Greeks are 80% the same blood with the people that lived here from 50.000 bc...
b)our traditions, language, way of thinking, war spirit etc, is the SAME with the ancient Greeks and if we werent their children that'd be impossible
HellenicSacredKin 1 week ago
hahahahah I'm Greek and this is hilarious! :D
comeone20 1 week ago
Good sketch. Funny that Artemis mentions she's a virgin but Dionysus/the writers don't seem to know Athena is.
StuartMason09 2 weeks ago
there isnt a nation that had offered so many to humanity and be fought by many others that didnt offer anything at all....NITCHE...that is what Greece is about....i hope for the people of the world to see (to really see) what the hell is going on and why the global economy criminals have targeted the Greece and redicule it soo much...peace to all and if you hurt my nation i will fucking kill you all....
HellenicSacredKin 2 weeks ago
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incognito509b 2 weeks ago
@HellenicSacredKin
Go to work.
I am a Bulgarian and I tell you - Greeks are lazy. Really lazy.
bgtop9962 1 week ago
@bgtop9962 Go to hell.
I am a Greek and i tell you - Bulgarians are stupid. Really stupid.
how does it feel to insult an entire race of people you stupid fuck??
HellenicSacredKin 1 week ago
@HellenicSacredKin
well, when you think so.
But show me a leading newspaper in Europe that has written - Bulgarians are stupid.
it was written - Greeks are lazy cheaters
bgtop9962 1 week ago
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bgtop9962 1 week ago
@bgtop9962 oh now you got me :PP if the newspapers said so, then its true....HOW stupid you have to be to say things like that? go and search to see how many hours Greeks work and you ll see that we work a lot hours that all europeans do and we get paid much lesser...the attack in Greece is happening for a reason and if you cant see it, then you wont understand it if tell you...wake up and dont raise hatred between races...i want peace between us but you dont help...
HellenicSacredKin 1 week ago
@HellenicSacredKin
OK, soon Greece will be out of the eurozone, so I think all problems will be solved.
Greeks will have to earn their money.
How many Greeks work in government jobs?
It is the same as spending.
why is Greek export less than the export of Bulgaria?
bgtop9962 1 week ago
@bgtop9962 this is where we aggree finally...the problem is not that the greeks DONT work...its that we dont export anything...and that happened cause the last 40 years the governments brought a false way of thinking into the minds of 3 generations of Greeks...and greece wont be out of eurozone, but eurozone propably will be destroyed...it wont last cause Germany continue to act like they are the 4rth Reich...they attack greece cause they want our energy sources..thats the only reason
HellenicSacredKin 1 week ago
@HellenicSacredKin
Nonsense,
what is the Germany's fault that you don't have export? Why all other countries, even Bulgaria have larger export?
Working for the government - it is not work . it is just wasting of money.
You do not accept reductions, but you do not want to pay your debts.
it is so to normal people you are just lazy robbers.
and Germany is not your problem. It is your own laziness.
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@HellenicSacredKin
and the newest news -
Wolfgang Schäuble, the finance Minister of Germany said - "No more money to Greece. if necessary they will get out of the Eurozone."
So prepare a big wallet for your drachmes ;)
Good news - you may soon be a millionaire - in drachmes ;)
bgtop9962 1 week ago
@HellenicSacredKin
and do not forget - Greece is not the only country in the EU.
if everyone behaved like Greece, then who ould pay all that?
someone also has to work for the money
bgtop9962 1 week ago
pssssss kalo mou arese
kilstas16 2 weeks ago
re mpastarde.......hey malaka video creator....when he was writing the Trojan war....your people where waiting for the mammoth to have a dump and take its turds to make cabins out of them.....MALAKA ....poutanasgie....
NikosThemelis 2 weeks ago
Cuprus is a Greek island since ancient Greek times..
Turks are a asian mongoloid race that appeared in the Balkans during the medieval age
Greekpride1231 2 weeks ago
what show is this???
theposhenglishguy 2 weeks ago
oh come on everyone!this isn't a video of political propaganda!it's called comedy..
msvul 2 weeks ago 8
The famous "Greek Statistics" were a f*cking international fraud WITH HELP FROM THE INSIDE.
As we speak there's an investigation by the Greek Justice Department for: p.m. G.Papandreou, the minister of economics & the director of the National Statistical Service of Greece, WHO IS A FORMER IMF employee!!
The investigation is for manipulating crucial indicators (shortfall from 9% to 15,5%) WHICH OPENED the gates for the IMF to enter.
IF PROVED they're facing charges for HIGH TREASON.
WAKE UP!
franknwalters 3 weeks ago
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READ the numbers & learn:
Total Debt to GNP: Ire1004%, Hol 470%, UK 416%, Swi 471%, Bel267%, Por 223%, Fra188%, GRE167% (CIA Factbook 2009).
Every citizen of... owes (x1000$): Ire 424,3_UK189,8_Swi176,1_Hol138,6_Fra68,2_ Esp45,2_Ita39,4_GRE33,3 (source:Worldlink 2007).
National Debt (Billions $): UK8980, Fra4698, Hol2231, Ita2223(?), Esp2165, Ire2161, Bel1241, GRE532 (Source: WorldBank 2010).
Public Expenditure to GNP: GRE39% far behind UK, BEL, FIN, FRA, DNK &ITA.
franknwalters 3 weeks ago
@franknwalters
Total debt and public debt are two different things.
if other people invest money in your economy, you owe them money - debt rises. But when it is productive, you use this debt to buy machines and produce, so you can pay your money back.
bgtop9962 1 week ago
@bgtop9962
I think that you can see the SOURCES (World Bank etc.) those statistics came from.
So, don't do me no lesson in economics.
You should message them. THEY published those numbers JUST THE WAY I WROTE THEM.
franknwalters 1 week ago
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franknwalters 3 weeks ago
So,those contributing to the bailouts are making a profit on their investment and the majority of their money is being returned to European banks that have in the past bought Greek bonds.
angathi 3 weeks ago
Hellas eurozone partners are lending this money, not gifting it.
Based on a rudimentary calculation involving all the disbursements for the first year being added together and charged at a rate of 3.5 percent, France and Germany earned about 300 million euros each in interest over the 12 months.The total interest for the first year of loans stands at about 1.3 billion euros.
Some analysts calculate that at last 60 percent of the bailout money leaves Greece in the form of loan repayments.
angathi 3 weeks ago
@angathi
Honestly, you don't believe that even a single cent will ever be paid back, do you?
schlagerhansi 1 day ago
@schlagerhansi
...as for the "single cent"...
DO YOU KNOW that NOT 1 CENT is going to enter Greece?
The money they're lending to Greece are going BACK TO THE LENDERS, WITHOUT ENTERING Greece!
You obviously don't know what is going on.
YOU'RE MISINFORMED & still you only come out humilliating the Greeks with your clever (?) cues. This is mean...
A small advise. When you out talking of serious things, you ought to be seriously prepared & know something more than IRONIC JOKES...
franknwalters 1 day ago
When about half of the working population is employed in jobs where their income is taxed at source, thereby ensuring they cannot avoid paying their dues, it is unfair to tar the whole country with the same brush.
So much for the tax-avoidance !!!
angathi 3 weeks ago
@angathi
it depends where you work and how you work.
If you work in a government budget job , you actually spend government money.
Greece has less export than Bulgaria. Greece is 1,5 times larger in population than Bulgaria and has less export!
I think Bulgarian salaries should be then at least 1,5 times the Greek ones, don't you agree?
Bulgaria has also only 16% debt, so no need to pay debts.
hey, why don't you move to Bulgaria - there you get a higher salary ;)
bgtop9962 1 week ago
Eurostat figures consistently show that Hellenes (Greeks for the ignorants) work the longest hours in the eurozone. The latest figures show that Hellenes worked an average of 40.9 hours per week in 2010. The eurozone average was 36.6!!!!
If you want,we could you give you names judging by the ill- behavior of your teenagers visiting Hellas every summer,in Malia or Hersonissos for example,but we are NOT going to fall at your level !!!
angathi 3 weeks ago
@angathi Φιλε, προς ενημερωσιν σου και εντελως φιλικα, τον ονομα Greece πηγαζει εκ του ΓΡΕΚΙΑ και η λεξις ΓΡΑΙΚΟΣ( ο αρχαιος) και ΓΡΕΚΙΑ (αρχαια χωρα) ηταν οι ονομασιες της Ελλαδος προτου ονομαστει ΕΛΛΑΣ...και ακομα πιο αρχαιοτερη ονομασια για τους Ελληνες ηταν ΠΕΛΑΣΓΟΙ--παναρχαια ονομασια...οποτε εαν σας λενε Γραικους να το υπερηφανευεστε...φιλικα παντα φιλε
HellenicSacredKin 2 weeks ago
@HellenicSacredKin ... Τι λες ρε φιλε... Γρεκια ηταν ονομασια της Ελλαδος πριν να ονομαστει Ελλας;; Ποιος τα λεει αυτα;; Γραικος υπαρχη στη ελληνικη μυθολογια και δεν εχει καμμια σχεση με αυτο που λεμε Ελληνες και Ελλαδα....
BraveManNewWorld 2 weeks ago
@HellenicSacredKin Φιλε μονο που ο Ελλην ηταν ο αμεσως γιος του Δευκαλιωνος και της Πυρρας!!! Δεν λεω οτι το Γραικοι δεν ειναι καλο αλλα ΕΛΛΑΣ ειναι πιο εκφραστικο σαν ονομα διοτι σημαινει η Γη του Φωτος, πραγμα που μας εκφραζει απολυτα!!!
Και οντως το Αρειοι/Πελασγοι ηταν απο τις πιο αρχαιες ονομασιες!!!
jimakisspd 2 weeks ago
Great taste of humor coming from the land of the ignorant !!! You do not have a clue of what is what is going on in Hellas (Not Greece you imbeciles!!!) and you still insist of laughing at us as if your country is the the paradiese of law and order!!!
angathi 3 weeks ago
You gotta wear sunblock man.
thisplaceboarsme 3 weeks ago
yanni, greek god of music <3
kostasanapol 3 weeks ago
back to you !! :)
PK0777 3 weeks ago
Very nice using media propaganda to mislead uninformed and illiterate people...Wake up and see why they are afraid of Greece...Try as match as you can, Greece will march again to its rightful place..
chtheodoulou 3 weeks ago
All those independent numbers (World Bank 2010), I wrote below (please READ THEM & compare them with the spaculators "truth"), were manipulated (it's UNDER INVASTIGATION by the GREEK JUSTICE) by the Greek prime minister G.Papandreou, the minister of economics Papakonstantinou & the director of the National Statistical Service of Greece, WHO IS A FORMER IMF employee!!
All those lies are for the people in EUROPE to pay the market bubbles, the economic ballons.
Just try to see the big picture.
franknwalters 4 weeks ago
This was a funny video,but as for Greeks being lazy I dont buy that.
kyriacos40 4 weeks ago
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franknwalters 1 month ago
it's really dark n gloomy in here... must be lonely being a greek... :(
MegaTruecolours 1 month ago
Charlie Day and Jason Sudekis need a show together, their comedic chemistry is amazing
400batman 1 month ago
FYROM timeless,lolvski
gampcptn 1 month ago
Hey! Shut up you little bitch! Haha that was funny.
xXRavenxAlexanderXx 1 month ago
This video costs some money.George Sorros money of course.And the artists are FYROMIANS from diaspora of course.Ho ho vski propaganda vski from FYROMSKI.Try more u r close to win.To win FROM THE THREE THE LONGEST ONE.
gampcptn 1 month ago
Humor is good & I really enjoyed this video.
But before we go on humiliating the Greeks, lets see some real facts from The Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development (OECD):
-Greeks: working hrs annual (average) 2119
-Germans:...1490
-OECD countries avarage 1719hrs
Not everything we hear is true...
There's a bigger plan behind the humiliation of the Greeks, which the Italians, the French etc are cruelly realizing as we speak.
I said how much I enjoyed this video? I really did!
franknwalters 1 month ago 43
@franknwalters i is good, Czechs spend 1936 hrs (in average) ...but we are not debt, Greeks, yes, it is a major problem!
vintason 1 month ago
@vintason
Let me tell you how most of this debt was produced...
As we speak those who are lending money to Greece (€90 billion!), are LITERALLY FORCING this country to buy 60 (!!!) Eurofighters (Germans mostly), 8 or 10 French frigates (battleships) and some other weapons. The US is using the same tactics too.
They are lending money to Greece in order to buy new weapons.
This is the general way that most of the debt was produced.
franknwalters 1 month ago
@franknwalters Of course,but I see no reason why the Czech Republic (for example), had to borrow money to the state,who can not manage taxpayers' money.Similarly, there is no other way than the crash of Greece,perhaps other countries...should then recover, because otherwise I believe it not ...otherwise they will be indebted to infinity. and interesting is that some countries have almost no debt,are doing well economically and have no problems...we will have referendum about this
vintason 1 month ago
@vintason
My friend, Czech Republic don't have a country like Turkey which FORMALY threatens Greece's territorial integrity with war (Turkey holds a casus belli 4 Greece).
No country is the problem, don't fall for that.
The whole world, but Europe mostly, will pay for the HUGE speculative bubbles, the market bubbles, the (economic) balloons, which was made in the USA & the European countries iflated them.
These balloons we'll all pay, through country debts.
No referendum can deal with that.
franknwalters 1 month ago
@franknwalters I understand and I know it, but I think that the referendum can be held. because in my country about this week was in government. btw we are not members of the eurozone - in terms of money Greece. in terms of money the International Monetary Fund, this is another problem, but this post is about the Greek ...
vintason 1 month ago
@franknwalters The threat from Turkey is in your imagination...it is an excuse...if Turkey didn't exist you would have to invent it...Greece is responsible for its own mess now we all have to pay
outsidelight1 1 month ago
@outsidelight1
"Greece is responsible for its own mess" you say.
That's what they want you to believe & you obviously DO, although you (personaly) have the power to search & learn what is really going on & why the markets are doing what they do. BUT I'll give you an excuse.
You're from the UK right? What you probably don't know is that Anglo-Saxon hedge funds are behind the "attack" to the EU countries. Search for it.
Now, if you don't want to find the truth,hang on on "Greece's mess" & pay!
franknwalters 1 month ago
@franknwalters Don't give me the "Anglo Saxon" crap... this is your own fault. What did you spend the money on...and this is in spite of HUGE subsidies from the EU for infrastructure etc? You spent it on a bloated public sector, oversubsidised trains and ports, over generous pensions and unrestrained corruption...even now poor conscript Spyros is probably in the army motor pool trying to fix the fuel system of his expensive tank.
outsidelight1 1 month ago
@franknwalters Greece will never solve this problem while it tries to blame everybody else for its problem rather than looking in the mirror. But this seems to be the case all of of the time...we always hear the perrenial Greek whine "It wasn't meee". We here it over the Aegean and Turkey, we heard it over Cyprus and now we hear it over the debt crisis. Nobody forced you to borrow all that money.
outsidelight1 1 month ago
@franknwalters come on don t say that.. we need this weapons to defend our freedom against the bad guys from the east with the weapons of mass destruction we never found and iran who has nuclear weapons and will destroy us next week. and we need weapons to defend our interests in oil, my car is thirsty man. and as we fucked up africa already we need new targets. i am really dissapointed that you don t understand our needs :)
Quaicon 1 month ago
@franknwalters So Greece is being forced to buy all these military toys? Please be serious. Greece has been buying up all this kit because it is paranoid about Turkey. However it is nice to see the possibility that Greece will have to buy in Turkish electricity for its Aegean islands and that Greek Cyprus might need to take on Turkish water...it already did the electricity thing. Turrkish neighbourliness might catch on in Greece - that would be good.
outsidelight1 1 month ago
@outsidelight1
First of all, there's no Greek-Cyprus or Turkish-Cyprus. There's only Cyprus.
You probably don't follow the international press.
Turkey is one of the biggest investments in weapons today in the world & holds the 7th place (could be 6th now) in the weaponry by country list globally(NATO: 4th).
This country invaded & still is occupying part of Cyprus & holds a casus belli for Greece, almost 17years now.
So, who exactly is being paranoid with whom again?
You can't be serious...
franknwalters 1 month ago
@franknwalters So let's look....Turkey is sitting there with Armenia (hostile), Iran (hostile), Iraq (psychotic)Syria (disintegrating), the PKK killing thousands (and with Greek help in the past) and a belligerent, paranoid Greece...oh, and Russia just across the Black Sea. Aaand Greece has..sod all to worry about except its self inflicted debt, where the next bail out is coming from and a massive sense of entitlement, Did I miss anything?
outsidelight1 1 month ago
@outsidelight1
----> On the contrary, Greece has oil&gas AND THAT'S what the lenders are after.
GREECE CAN & WILL PAY and they KNOW IT.
For sure the country is to blame! But DON'T YOU GIVE ME THAT CRAP that we leave in a world which ALL THE STUPID PEOPLE "who didn't know anything" were lending money to Greece, which it spend to OUZO&SUN.
I'm not an idiot, don't treat me like I am.
franknwalters 1 month ago
@franknwalters Idiot? Maybe not. Unrealistic? Yes.If Greece does not get these bail out payments salaries don't get paid. Greece has been getting a free ride at our expense since it joined the EU. Forget pride. This is a fact. Turkey is no threat to Greece. Greece's paranoid personality and pride makes Turkey an imaginary threat. All this oil amounts to nothing in the ground.If banks were stupid to lend (a fact) then Greeks were even more stupid to borrow so much.
outsidelight1 1 month ago
@outsidelight1
You're telling me that the casus belli, WHICH ISN'T just a choise of a Turkish goverment, BUT a Turkish National Assembly RESOLUTION back in 1995 AND ACTIVE EVER SINCE TO THIS DAY, is in my imagination?
Don't be shilly man, ANYONE can find this on the internet. IT'S A FACT!
What is the point blaming Greece as paranoid, when we have FACTS here that anyone can find, read & confirm?
Perhaps you're paranoid or an idiot.
I don't know u...
Are you talking any drugs or something?
franknwalters 1 month ago
@franknwalters My drug is truth...without wanting to sound too mystical. Would we by any chance referring to the the TGNA's reaction to Greece's proposal to unilaterally extend Greek territorial waters in the Aegean? Now it seems to me, that given the geography of the Aegean, this is the kind of action that was completely unnecessary, counterproductive and could easail;y be interpreted as bellicose. I'm sure you don't need to look at a map to see the point.
outsidelight1 1 month ago
@franknwalters Always it is someone else's fault, but everything you do has a consequence. There is only one law in history and this is the law of unintended consequences but surely Greece could see the result of declaring a unilateral extension of territory.. This is also in the context of the Balkan conflicts when Greece was particularly paranoid and bellicose, even to the point of helping a country in armed conflict with NATO allies..you see, context is everything
outsidelight1 1 month ago
@franknwalters Context....1995, the year of Dayton and Greece is busy buying into the Serbian mythology of "Muslim Encirclement" and leaking secrets to Belgrade thus helping a criminal regime; but rather than considering the criminality of the Belgrade regime Athens is worrying about a neighbour's name (Macedonia), the "growth" of a greater Albania and Turkey which is an ally. Greece puts itself into a position of opposition to the EU and NATO but blames the "Muslims"
outsidelight1 1 month ago
@outsidelight1
This is DESTORTED REALLITY you're presenting.
Greece helped the criminals of Belgrade, the terrorists of PKK(!!!!!!) & God only knows who else it helped... Sadam, Kadafi, Ahmadinejad, Kim Jong...
Has this country ever done right in your opinion?
'Cause you're presenting Greece as the devil and all the other countries in the region as it's victims...
franknwalters 1 month ago
@franknwalters Not distorted. Greece has given assistance to the PKK and helped provide Ocalan with shelter before he was finally caught...with help from Mossad, ironically. I am not presenting Greece as the Devil. but you are presenting the Turks as Devil like and can't seem to think that they actually might have a case here. It has not as far as I know helped Iran or Iraq but then Greece always worked to its own pariochial agernda- this is why it supported the criminal Milosovic
outsidelight1 4 weeks ago
@outsidelight1
Ocalan wasn't caught, he was delivered by the Greek goverment to Turkey. This is what I mean when I say u distort reality.
Tell me, if Greece were helping those terrorists as YOU say, wouldn't there be a prove of that? A photograph, a document, a satelight photo, SOMETHING, ANYTHING?
WHY there's ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to support your thesis?
Maybe it's because you just SPECULATE, as the TURKS DO in order to keep hatred for Greece burning?
Give one proof for what say & I'll stop!
franknwalters 4 weeks ago
@franknwalters The Greeks did not hand Ocalan over - they were busy squirreling him around hoping someone would help them out of a jam. They were caught red handed- with Israeli help ironically. The 1990s were a particularly paranoid time for Greece..their aid to the criminals in Belgrade is well known as well as their help to the PKK. Ocalan was caught with genuine- not fake- Cypriot ID.
outsidelight1 3 weeks ago
@outsidelight1
As for Greece's support to Milosevic...
Greece as a NATO member participated to the fight against the Milosevic regin. It's true that Greece got in an uncomfortable situation because of the good relations with former Yugoslavia, but it had to fullfil it's obligations to NATO & it did.
What u call "help" or "support" to his regin never actually excisted. Greeks were sending aid to Croatians food, clothing & medical (with doctors), something that Croatia recongnize to this day...
franknwalters 4 weeks ago
@franknwalters
MORE of speculators??
Every citizen of... owes (x1000$): IRE 424,3_UK189,8_SWI176,1_HOL138,6_FRA68,2_ ESP45,2_ITA39,4_GRE33,3 (source:Worldlink 2007)
National Debt (Billions $): UK8980, FRA4698, HOL2231, ITA2223(?), ESP2165, IRE2161, BEL1241, GRE532 (Source: WorldBank 2010).
Public Expenditure to GNP: GRE39% far behind UK, BEL, FIN, FRA, DNK &ITA.
Wage to GNP: GRE9,9% as UK & ITA, far behind FRA, FIN, etc
SPECULATORS distorted reality & that's the SAD TRUTH !!!
franknwalters 4 weeks ago
@franknwalters But Greece is broke and the bailifs are moving in...explain that...rationally
outsidelight1 3 weeks ago
@franknwalters Bulldust. Greece was passing secrets to Belgrade and hosting the likes of Milosevic, Karadjic and Mladic...this is not a big secret. Greece obstructed supplies to NATO forces in Kosovo..the list goes on....Greeks, especially prompted by the Church, were constantly wound up about the "muslim Arc"......recognise that
outsidelight1 3 weeks ago
@outsidelight1
Just give a straight answer...
Have you or anyone else GOT PROVES that Greece were helping pkk and/or Milosevic?
Give one f*cking proof of what you say and I'll stop.
Otherwise you're just a f*cking provocative assh*le.
Don't take that personaly, but in my opinion -and I'm sure many will agree with me- the fact that YOU WROTE that "Greek-Cypriots are occupying south Cyprus", makes you BY DEFINISION a f*cking provocative assh*le, if not worse...
franknwalters 3 weeks ago
@outsidelight1
You're prejudiced & you can't hide it...
Still everything you say is discribing Greece as the Devil.
This is exactly how the SPECULATORS work. By distorting the reality, to those who can't or don't want to search for the truth.
With speculations Greece is brought down to it's knees the last two years AND it's a miracle it could face this one mounth.
At the same time -CIA FACTBOOK, debt to GNP (2009):
IRE1004%, HOL 470%, UK 416%, SWI 471%, BEL267%, POR 223%, FRA188%, GRE167%.
franknwalters 4 weeks ago
@outsidelight1 Stop the bullshit please ,Turkey is the agressor.Turkey had a point to come into Cyprus to help against the coup,but Turkey has not the right to steal land and kill innocent people that had no involvement in this coup under Sampson.Turkey stayed, and never left, and got away with crimes.Two wrongs dont make a right.Turkey had a right in protecting the Turkish people from this group,but not the right to use it to steal and kill(two wrongs dont make a right).
kyriacos40 4 weeks ago
@kyriacos40 Oh behave! Greek Cypriots undermined the constitution and caged Turks in ghettos for over a decade...The Greek junta tried to finish the job...all the imaginary nefarious Turkish plots can't hide these simple facts. Greeks brought the Cyprus crisis on themselves. Refusing to negotiate afterwards made it worse. You can't unscramble the egg.
outsidelight1 3 weeks ago
@outsidelight1 What a hateful one sided person you are.You probably wont be satisfied until all Greece is under Turkish rule, and the Genocide begins again.You wont be satisfied until you have a Mosque in the center of the Acropolis like the Ottomans did back when they ruled Greece."YOUR DAM RIGHT GREEKS ARE PARANOIDE" and I hope they stay paranoide and never let there gaurd down for the sake of future generation of Greeks.I always remeber a phrase a"A LEOPARD NEVER LOSE'S ITS SPOTS".
kyriacos40 4 weeks ago
@kyriacos40 To all the TURKS out there and the rest of the world who believe they will kneel Greece and anyone with Greek blood...MOLON LAVE!!!! (Lots of love, and ready with my finger in between the trigger from CYPRUS)
chtheodoulou 3 weeks ago
@kyriacos40 Thank you very much. Hateful you may think me to be...what I say is accurate. What I would actually like is for Greeks and Turks to get along...and for Greeks not to try and invent a history that denigrates Turks...the leopard whose spots need changing is not Turkey I am afraid.Greeks should read Proverbs 26:11 and ponder the recent past.
outsidelight1 3 weeks ago
@franknwalters More about context...Greece is so paranoid that it actually aids a teerrorist organisation that has caused huge damage to a neighbour and tens of thousands of deaths.. If someone should be worrying about "encirclement" it should be the Turks........Russia, Armenia, Iraq, Syria, Cyprus, Greece..they really were encircled. Greece just felt put upon.
outsidelight1 1 month ago
@outsidelight1
You keep writing of Greece helping the terrorists of PKK. Have you got any proves about that?
I'm curious, 'cause u keep forgeting to write how Greece delivered Abdullah Ocalan -PKK's historic leader- to the Turks.
I mean, how can Greece be helping the PKK terrorists, "causing damage to a neighbour and tens of thousands of deaths" & AT THE SAME TIME giving away PKK's leader to the same neighbour who so cruelly & dishonesty sabotaged?
Have you anything clever to say about that?
franknwalters 1 month ago
@franknwalters Greece didn't give him up. They got caught with him.
outsidelight1 3 weeks ago
70 milliom Turks are worried about 10 million Greeks?Its the Turks that intrude and test Greece air space.Its the Turkey that is always threatening Greece,but I am not blaming the Turkish people its the government I blame.Dont tell me high ranking Turkish officials dont have the dream of bringing back the Ottoman empire.Oh come on, Greece should be paranoid, just alone Turkish fighter jets going into Greece air space is enought to be paranoid.You forget the Genocide of Greeks ,Armenians, others.
kyriacos40 4 weeks ago
@kyriacos40 No there is no dream of a return to Ottoman supremacy.This is in your own little head. Turkey was the only defeated Central Power after WW1 that not only determined its own peace but never displayed irredentist tendencies. The National Pact determined Turkey's borders then as now.. There is no Turkish "Megali Idea"...only a Greek one.
outsidelight1 3 weeks ago
@franknwalters Good point
kyriacos40 4 weeks ago
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@outsidelight1
And one last thing about Greece's paranoia...
"The key factor for instability in the Aegean is the Turkish casus belli, if Greece extend it's territorial waters from 6 nautical miles (11 km), to 12 nautical miles (22 km), as has been enshrined in treaty law by the United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea of 1982 (Art.3).".(int news web page).
UK & all the planet EXCEPT the US & Turkey signed that.
NEVERTHELESS Turkey implemented this treaty to its nothern borders!!!
franknwalters 1 month ago
@franknwalters However...all is not lost. Greeks are approaching Turkey for electricity for Greek Islands in the Aegean. Turkish water will go to the TRNC which has offered to supply on to Greek Cyprus; the TRNC has already supplied Greek Cyprus with electricity. Turkish business is being invited to invest in Greek privitisations so maybe good sense and a desire for rational regional relationships may replace Greece's bellicose past.... so not all bad.
outsidelight1 1 month ago
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@outsidelight1
Delirium!
Who are "we all" and what is the "fakilaki"?
Do you know what is the average pension in Greece or you just know what they say in the reality shows there on the island?
Now you listen to me...
You're lending money to these people in order to take back 20 times of what you gave.
Why do you think Ireland with the 35% deficit (Greek was 15%) and the 450% total debt got away so easy?
'Cause they will never take ANYTHING BACK from Ireland. ----->
franknwalters 1 month ago
@outsidelight1
What is TNRC?
There is NO TNRC but only in some sick minds.
Cyprus is NOT DEVIDED. The nothern part of Cyprus IS OCCUPIED by Turkish forces.
Do you on the island know something differrent than this? 'Cause that' what the EU, the UN and all the other organizations accepts, supports and work for...
franknwalters 1 month ago
@franknwalters Oh be serious. This is the Greek problem. You can't accept facts. Greek Cypriots tried to cheat their way out of their agreements and destroyed the Republic of Cyprus in the process causing misery all round. Now you can't accept that this is a changed game. You can't have it back. You broke it. You had a chance to salvage something but Greek Cypriots rejected it while Turks accepted it. A missed opportunity.
outsidelight1 1 month ago
@outsidelight1
The previous question was rhetorical...
Our debate here is not about Cyprus & one has to agree with the UN (EU too) whose thesis all these years now is that a part of Cyprus is under Turkish occupation. A FACT TOO.
Either you're British (UK's responsibilities on that matter are known) or Turkish, it doesn't matter. AND fyi Turkish Cypriots are going to ask Turkey to leave, on their own.
The smel of money my friend is very sweet, and they're smelling it from far far away...
franknwalters 1 month ago
@franknwalters Cyprus is clearly divided. A visit will demonstrate this fact That you can not accept this fact is merely demonstrative of the problem
outsidelight1 3 weeks ago
@outsidelight1
Let's not play with words. For sure I don't speak english as you do, but I think you understood that I meant Cyprus is not devided by choise or treaty law...
Cyprus is how it is because of Turkish invasion...
I didn't miss the point.
The fact that you believe Greek-Cypriots are occupying south Cyprus MEANS THAT YOU MISSED THE LAST FOUR DECADES.
There's no organization which backing up YOUR EXTREMIST thesis. Only some fanatics in Turkey and some idiots from where you're from.
franknwalters 3 weeks ago
@outsidelight1 I dont know if you heard of this ,but Israel,Greece and Cyrpus made a deal for power supply line from Israel, since now they have oil to suppy enegery for electric power plant.I dont know the details,but basically from Israel through Cyrpus by means under the water right to Greece supply line of power.They also say this power plant from Israel will supply all of Europe with electric power.If the happens, I dont know,but if it dose great news for Greece,and Europe.
kyriacos40 4 weeks ago
@outsidelight1
Second (wich means read the previous message)
I don't understand why you mention the electricity & water exchange...
All three of them are free countries (except of Cyprus, part of which is under Turkish occupation DON'T forget that). Two are in the EU & the E/Z, all three are in the NATO. Why not have economic & trade relations?
Now that I see the paragraph I wrote above, I think is very easy for ANYONE to see who is being paranoid...
P.S.: NO, I'm not from Cyprus
franknwalters 1 month ago
@franknwalters "Why not have economic & trade relations?" Precisely. A good point. So why the belly aching and the hand wringing...why not just move on, forget the mythology and trade yourselves into a better relationship? But always this sense of injustice- often unfounded- and always this sense of entitlement. If you treated the Turks as partners and human beings you would get generosity back. You have a lot in common if you'd bother to look
outsidelight1 1 month ago
@outsidelight1
Cooperation is good.But "If you treated the Turks as partners & human beings" ???
You probably are Turkish. Where does this come from? What I asked you 2 comments ago was... lets I was a little cutting.
Now you're really being paranoid. Greeks r treating Turks as if the wore animals?
Are you serious? You can't be serious.
DON'T TALK about the people! No one can talk about the people, you, me or anyone.
The Turkish goverments wore always really bad news. You're missinformed!
franknwalters 1 month ago
@franknwalters No I am not a Turk but that is hardly relevant...and about treating the Turks as human beings...the record speaks....just look at the YT commentary and look at comments of people like Makarios and Sampsion and so on. There is always only one side and as an outsider looking in- someone you actually does know a bit of history- I can tell you that no one has clean hands so the mythologising should be put to bed.
outsidelight1 1 month ago