Why are we so willing to gobble up the mounds of medication that doctors shove at us but assume chiro is b.s.? That anything outside of the medical mainstream is b.s. - even though they have as much of an agenda to push in making money as anybody else.
So called Chiropractic "Vertebral Subluxations" do NOT exist! Complete nonsense and quackery. Do not waste your time and money on a 116 year old belief system. These guys will stop at nothing to take your money and make you believe that they are doing some good. No substantial evidence to back up their main method of treatment which is the Chiropractic adjustment. Could do more harm than good, especially when they adjust the neck.
@Saerain Not at all. A chiropracter might not be able to fix your cold or your nervous disposition but if you've got a crick in your back you can bet they'll fix it.
@TerrySleeper No that is confirmation bias, the only way to truly find out is double blind, peer reviewed scientific trials, these have been done and they failed,....
Suggested reading: "Francis J.H. Wilson (ed.), Chiropractic In Europe - An Illustrated History" (Leicester, 2007). Lots of pictures and not too taxing for the layman.
@squamish4244 You can't possibly say that, i am assuming you know about the placebo effect? if so then you must surely agree that the only way to ensure that this doesnt effect the results of a study to see if this works is to have a control group that is told they are recieving chiropactic treatment but arent! this is the same way we test real medicine so i don't see why this should be any different???
@TheJudoKevin Check out Wikipedia, it's as good a source as I'm ever likely to have access to. The studies are conflicting but not condemnatory or enough to make it a subject of ridicule.
@squamish4244 Yeah, I checked it out. Wiki pretty much says there is no evidence that it's effective at all. You stated "Chiro works. You want studies, I'll get them." But you did not get them, nor does your evidence support your position.
Mirtz et al, Chiropractic & Osteopathy 2009, 17:13. There is a significant lack of evidence in the literature to fulfill Hills criteria of causation as regards chiropractic subluxation. No supportive evidence is found for the chiropractic subluxation being associated with any disease process or of creating suboptimal health conditions requiring intervention. Regardless of popular appeal this leaves the subluxation construct in the realm of unsupported speculation.
@chiropractic47 Where do you get your material? You use profanities and accuse people of being drug abusers, and yet you have no evidence for such assertions. When asked to provide evidence for the claims you make of chiro, as being effective for all sorts of conditions, you lie or offer coffee table promotional materials not fit to line the kitty's litter box. You sound like a religious wing-nut who is desperate and defensive.
@chadhedges You believe in middle ages "medicinal" mysticism? PERFECT!
Wanna buy the Brooklyn Bridge? I have the right rights to it along with some magic beans that will make you...uhh...Healthy. They're Castor Beans. Don't worry though, it's homeopathic.
@yunged Not entirely true... There are many scientific bodies of work, in multiple professional journals that legitimizes many Chiropractic practices. The general public also must realize that the educational breath and depth has changed significantly over the years (within the U.S.). Most modern day Chiropractic Physicians do not practice as a subluxation theorist, and are taught to be general primary care practitioners. The physical manipulations are effective i treating many...
@AthleticsJunkie Sure we new it is legal for chiropractic doctors to deliver babies in Illinoise, they're primary care doctors with the same education but 500 hours more than MD's!. Did you notice Eddie opens up his monologue with "I was in NY and "had" to see a chiropractor"? Well Eddie is a proud chiropractic patient and continues to use chiropractic to keep his spine aligned and nervous sytem healthy. Chiropractic is great!
@chiropractic47 BCA lost and a quarter of all British chiropractors under investigation for bogus medical advice, i.e. saying that can curte stuff. They're halfway to finished. One day people will ask for evidence in your country and you'll have to give more than funny anecdotes from comedians or quote-mining you delusional waster. i. Go read a medical book. 2. Read it without bias. 3. Have the courage to be honest with yourself and others.
@boozenfags Sorry "booze-n-fags or is that what you do? It seems the booze quarbled your post to the point of whaa? What did you write? Medicine is the third largest cause of death in the U.S. thus our govt. will require chiropractic to up the anti? Fat, dumb, and stupid is no way to go through life son. Straighten up, pull up your pants, comb your hair, get that needle and rubber strap off your arm, and spit out those stupid pills! What a fuckin retard? Chiropractic Now!
@me5o Now that the party is over and the janitor is sweeping the floors, you must still return to your ragged apartment with the same dredged realization that you molested the little girl down the hall and you profusively masturbate on commuter trains; pouring your wretched spunk upon the world in retaliation for your shortcomings. I don't feel sorry for you me5o. I love it when I help nearly 100 people a day and drive my Jaguar home to see my beautiful wife and four children. Chiropractic Now!
@chiropractic47 Wow! Seriously passive agressive! :) Getting emotionally unstable when faced with unavoidable facts is far too telling. Throwing random fictitious stats at me and making erronous assumptions about my personal habits doesn't work either. All you've done is made plain how over-sensitive you are, bringing you're family and a car into the debate is simply defeatist. With such dark thoughts you're definately not happy, do you talk to your children like that?Get help before you do harm
@boozenfags yeah he's been at me too. Penis and pee pee jokes aplenty. I wouldn't trust this fake dr with adjusting a thermostat let alone a spine. The local mall closed so he takes hos booth to the county fair now..Chiroquack
Guardian UK: Furious backlash from Simon Singh libel case puts chiropractors on ropes. Now even the General Chiropractic Council has disowned the claims of the BCA the same claims that lie at the centre of its libel action against Simon Singh. In a new report, it concludes that the evidence does not support claims that chiropractic treatment is effective for childhood colic, bed-wetting, ear infections or asthma, the very claims that Singh was sued for describing as "bogus".
chiro: Show us the evidence if it exists. Every legitimate piece of published research found in peer-reviewed journals is stored in databases such as Medline. There are searched by using the information: author, year, title of study, Journal name, so why won't you provide any evidence to the public? Why are you lying to the people? You are hiding the truth--there is no evidence for most of the garbage you claim. You are a fraud.
@ospreylookout The only thing that has been 'proven' in large RCTs about the Chiropractic profession is that chiropractic treatment in combination with treatment from GPs and physiotherapists is cost-effective. And that's about it.
@NorwegianBastard In every international cost effective study chiropractic came out on top of MD. DO, PT, and physiotherapy. I guess this is why I help 500+ patient visits per week? Chiropractic is great and for all!!
chiro: What I am asking you for is to provide the truth for what you are claiming. Any and all professions, if they are to be respected and remain professions, owe it to the public to substantiate any claims make, otherwise, retract them. Health care is science based, not some quasi-religious fringe group with deluded elements of "vitalism" and "subluxation" that do not stand up to the scrutiny of scientific examination.If you refuse to provide evidence, then the only conclusion is DISHONESTY.
I suggest that anyone interested, Google the Guardian UK for the story entitled, Furious backlash from Simon Singh libel case puts chiropractors on ropes; One in four chiropractors in Britain are under investigation as a result of campaign by Singh supporters, by Martin Robbins.
me5o: I have following along but was not aware of this piece in the Guardian. I have it up in another window.
Amazing quote: "A staggering one in four chiropractors in Britain are now under investigation for allegedly making misleading claims in advertisements, according to figures from the General Chiropractic Council."
me5o: Check this story out in the Guardian UK....Google: "Guardian UK", "Simon Singh", and "Martin Robbins" altogether....what an eye-opener for sure. Chiros should be outlawed....
ospreyyousprayme, Listen very carefully to Draggin Eddie... He begins with; "I was in NYC and had to go to a chiropractor..." Eddie continues to recieve chiropractic care. His chiropractic doctor is aware of his need to create humor. Eddie and the doctor remain fond of each other.
Simon Singh kiss my ass! What do you medical doctors on here think of Osteopaths, manipulative physiotherpaists and Medical doctors trained in manipulation? Or are we just hating Chiropactors? No press is bad press
neuromuscular physiology depends dearly on dietary habits...ok so where does Chiropractic get involved then? last time i check what you eat and your spine really dont got that much to do with each other
how about you tell me where the innate intelligence is located ?
@noliesundead oh you didnt know..these chiroquacks can raise the dead and cure cancer and, and everything...after taking x rays that they can only read and would make a radiologist piss his pants laughing
@lerxt42 DC's complete three times more x-ray instruction than MD's (The Grisanti Report, Coulture, PhD, Dept. of Edu., Pran Magna, PhD). Medical radiologists are fond and impressed with DC's, often collaborating in multidiciplanary research studies and symposiums (Terry Yochum, DC, DABCR). The primary reason LMT's are dismissed from employment at chiropractic offices is due to being caught massaging patients genitels (lerxt42 and anonymous DC). Chiropractic Now!
@chiropractic47 yes and they have countless web sites that monitor them and thier little ponzi schemes and money scamming tactics..dont for get folks ..the para medical profession that bills your insurance for as much as it can get away with
@lerxt42 Your the amazing Kreskin! On June 4th, a chiropractic doctor who resolved her endometrial cancer on her own without a hysterectomy, chemo, nor radiation therapy instead utilized chiropractic spinal adjustments, raw vegetable juicing, Essiac, chelation therapy, etc. is meeting with the public and book signing at my office. Anyone interested in meeting with Dr. Nancy please write to RSVP. Chiropractic Now!
@chiropractic47 he got his boyfriend to stop my comments on another page as I was telling the truth about back quack tactics and scams...google chiro scams folks
@chiropractic47 : Are you still on the defensive pal? How pathetic is that? Spending so much time against the ropes!! If chiro was so effective, then why is there so little evidence for it? Why do you get so whacked out when people simply ask you to provide the evidence? You refer to non-existant papers or crap that some chiro wrote for his office coffee table, circa 1989, and call that "evidence"?? Pathetic!
@chiropractic47 Do you ever bother to pre-read what you think is a smart thing to say? I mean, for a guy who claims to be a health professional, you write like a flunked out high school kid. I guess to become a chiro, all it takes is an education in a whacked out pseudo-religious college to call yourself fit to practice. PATHETIC.
@ospreylookout You appear to be serious about a career in chiropractic. I can arrange for you to be flown to Life Chiropractic at their expense. Tour the campus, etc.. Best of luck to ypu in your career in chiropractic.
@chiropractic47 I have no interest in a profession that is not based on science, but on pseudo-religious rantings based on the teachings of the kooky Palmer. This was 100 years ago, and the profession clings like its lifeline, to antiquated and unproven theories such as "subluxation" and "vitalism". More importantly, there is very little evidence to support chiro.. QUACKERY!
@chiropractic47 Perhaps you would spend much less time against the ropes trying to defend the indefensible if you spent time telling your chiro association that it needs to do more scientific research and less time 0n advertisements in the chiropractic literature that amount to for-profit promotion of unproven health remedies. Does no one in your profession have access to a crap-detector?
@chiropractic47 Unfortunately, the only efforts that chiro seems to make to support the profession are seminars and workshops and tours designed to indoctrinate the gullible. For anyone with an education, this garbage is snake-oil.
@ospreylookout actually. snake oil is quite decent for relieving arthritis and joint pain the problem was that in the wild west they either used the wrong damn snakes (american snakes have ALOT lss of the active ingredient of snake oil which was based off the oils of the chinese water snake.) or promised too much if they DID have the right formulation.
With a very similar but 400 hour longer curricula than MD's, licensed to perform a full systems examination, order diagnostic tests to arrive at a differential diagnosis, federally licensed physicians, but don't kill or maime millions world-wide with drugs, needles, and knives...chiropractic doctors (DC) are proud to not be "Real Doctors". Izzards chiro. has permission to achnowledge he cares for Eddie. Many celebrities, athletes, and politicians allow knowledge of their health care preferences.
If chiros are going to make claims that something they sell you has a health benefit, then they should provide the evidence that it has been shown to actually do this. It is not enough to simply make an empty claim. This is irresponsible of any profession. So, where is the scientific evidence that has been conducted and published in respected, peer-reviewed health science journals? It doesnt exist!! Chiro is a scam, and its proponents should be eyed very suspiciously.
ospreylookfoolish, Only 15% of medicine's drugs and procedures are fully understood and there's no data tracking there long term effects. Did you know medicine is considered the third largest cause of death in the U.S. (800,000 Americans dead each year at medicnes hands, "Death by Medicine" Gary Null, PhD).
chiro: How many lives does it save? Ask the average American if they would rather do away with chiro or meds, and hands down, your back-side would be out the door. Instead of constantly trashing meds, which is a pitiful example of your massive inferiority complex, why don't you just accept the fact that you are no where near the same level as any MD. Sorry, but regardless of legitimate concerns of pharma corp not giving a rats bass about health, that doesn't prove that chiro works.
ospreygoo, Go on bird brain...produce one study to back up your tweet: "People prefer meds over chiropractic". I see 500+ pv/week and never heard a piece of garbage as such....Oh, Dr., I prefer drugs over chiropractic". LOL! I love it when a medic begins to boil over into his final thrash. You sound so desperate to breath osprey. Your flight feathers clipped, now you must walk the walk. Chiropractic!
chiro: I am not the one making the unsubstantiated and outragious claims, you are. If I were making claims, I would provide the evidence to support them, so where is this evidence? QUACKERY!!
ospreygooponu, Did you know scientific research with clinical trials supports chiropractic spinal adjustments and soft tissue mobilization as effective for baby colic? (Spine, PubMed, Coulture, PhD, etc.). osprey, you must be broiling mad by now? Chiropractic is pretty cool huh? Chiropractic!
chiro: Simply because you name journals, does not mean that the studies are even there, nor does it mean that the studies are conclusive. You seem to lack entirely any education in research methodology. Why, after this many comments, have you not been able to provide one single article that substantiates your ridiculous claims? Simply spreading propaganda is not sufficient.
chiro: You wrote the word, "Coulture", and I am not aware of it as a peer-reviewed journal. Perhaps you meant "Cochrane"? It shows how much you actually know about research when you cannot even name a few journals correctly. You are really pathetic pal. Doctor WANNABEE!
@lerxt42 Osprey is an old adversarial friend of mine. He went through the same thing I am doing to you. Look how peaceful he is. I gave him a mental lobotomy. Now he's all relaxed....a little goofy...but relaxed. You'll feel the same way soon.
@lerxt42 "I'll suck it"...say this three times fast...you'll need to master these three words in order to succeed in the DO's office. Chiropractic Now!
chiro: You claim that chiro is effective for "infant colic". Where is the evidence for this? Can you provide the specific citation (author, year, title, journal) to substantiate this claim please?
Olafsdottir et als 100 infant randomised, blinded, placebo controlled clinical trial (Olafsdottir, Forshei, Fluge & Markestad; 2001; Arch Dis Child. 2001 Feb;84(2):138-41), concluded that Chiropractic spinal manipulation is no more effective than placebo in the treatment of infantile colic.
chiro: You arre pathetic. Why is it that you refuse to provide the evidence that any of the crap you claim is actually based in legitimate science? You clowns should be driven out of town on the tip of a boot! Snake-oil salesmen!! But this guy is funny...the truth is hilarious, isn't it!!!
@ospreylookout I actually think Eddie Izzard is funny as well as proud of him for utilizing chiropractic for his health needs. Chiropractic Now! Oh, ospreyuwithpiss, why not spend a little time reading chiropractic research journals such as JAMPT, Spine, Journal of Chiropractic Research, etc.? Did you read the story last week about the family in Connecticut suing the medical doctor for prescribing a lethal dose of medication to their daughter? Tradegy isn't it? Snake oil?....
Folks, I was completely taken by surprise and give my apologies to Eddie Izzard. Recently a collegue e-mailed me to inform me that Eddie Izzard respects and remains under chiropractic care. His chiropractic doctor is amused, not offended by Eddie. He (the DC) understands how anything can take on a comedic twist. Eddie told his chiropractic doctor that he's always on the search for material and asked him not to be offended. I now have much more respect for Eddie Izzard. Chiropractic!!!
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Support simon singh why? so "science" writers can say what they like with impunity. If he has evidence to support his comments they wouldnt be libelous! Very funny clip. As a chiro myself I reckon subluxation theory is 50 years out of date. We have good evidence that manipulation helps musculosketal pain but dogma stops us looking for a better rationale. I see a "subluxation" a bit like a spinal limp, "it hurts so it doesnt move properly or vice versa" simple, or is it chiropractic marketing?
me5o, your name or age (me 5 or 50)? Thank you, I do help children every day. I see 550 pv/week, of which 125 are children whom I examin and adjust when necessary. Their parents are intelligent professionals who see and understand the value of chiropractic as a means to clear the spine of nerve interference and counsel on a healthful lifestyle, to include weaning off prescription drugs. Thank you so very much me5o for affirming who I am, what I must do, and what you are....
me5o, it's you who's been subjected to X-rays. Reach above your head and you will find two little horns growing upwards....oh you little devil! Chiropractic!
noliessundead, In this video Eddie Izzard begins with "I was in NY and had to see a chiropractor", he had to see a chiropractic doctor. Thank you Eddie, for your use of and support of chiropractic!
I'll also add that chiropractors all practice very differently. Here in the U.S. (Massachusetts), I run my office much like a physical therapist, where spinal manipulation is just one of many physical treatments offered (i.e., physical not medications). Many of my patients never receive spinal manipulation. All of them receive a diagnosis, however, and that diagnosis is never "subluxation", which I do not believe exists (to reiterate what some above are saying).
Shame you dont love your science facts on the chiro profesion.
Try these literature searcches
Beam trial 2004
NICE Guidelines; In May 2009
Medical Research Council; 'Low Back pain of mechanical origin: randomised comparison of Chiropractic from hospital outpatient treatment'; Meade et al.
Seriously, why not be like 90% of your type and quote yourself as a scientist without reading any literature. Next you'll be saying cancer is mainly genetic ....
Brilliant! As a chiropractic physician, loved it! One point: chiropractic is not the term for spinal manipulation. "Chiropractic" (noun) is a profession, not a treatment modality. Calling spinal manipulation "chiropractic" is nonsense; that's like calling a few exercises "physical therapy". Ah well, love Mr. Izzard anyway. He is the last Monty Python member...
"This is allll soooo true' in that chiropractic worked for you. I'm happy and not surprised you had a most positive experience with chiropractic. Follow through witht the DC's recommended schedule, then have wellness care.
An ad-hominum IS a logical fallacy when used instead of an argument. Ad hominem is one of the best known of the logical and systematic fallacies usually enumerated in introductory logic and critical thinking textbooks.
Unless your next reply inclues physical evidence and reasoned logic showing that "subluxations" of the spine can caused illnesses in the human body, besides paralysis, I'm done talking to you.
Because Chiropractic is scientifically a kin to homeopathy, herbal medicine, accupuncture, reflexology, and magnetic healing. That is to say; It's not based on science, it's pseudoscience.
No...? Chiropractic is not scientifically akin to homeopathy, et all. chiropractic is well grounded in science. Most people refuse to read the scientific research on chiropractic because it threatens the well ingrained medical (allopathic0 paradigms approach to health. Here in the U.S. chiropractic is the second largest and fastest growing group of primary care doctors. while growing In the UK, detractors sucha s Simon Singh try to behave as wedges between what is to be and what is now.
There are obvious differences in tastes and timing for comedy between the UK and U.S The drag queen act had already came and went here, and now is old fodder. Its not funny anymore.
Read chiropractic and medical research journals. They all have positive outcomes regarding chiropractic. Did you know that here in the U.S. the chiropractic school curricula is very similar but more hours (500) than medical school curricula?
"The core concepts of chiropractic, subluxation and spinal manipulation, are not based on sound science. Back and neck pain are the domains of chiropractic but many chiropractors treat conditions other than musculoskeletal problems. With the possible exception of back pain, chiropractic spinal manipulation has not been shown to be effective for any medical condition. Manipulation is associated with frequent mild adverse effects and with serious complications of unknown incidence... (Cont'd)
(Cont'd) ...Its cost-effectiveness has not been demonstrated beyond reasonable doubt. The concepts of chiropractic are not based on solid science and its therapeutic value has not been demonstrated beyond reasonable doubt." - Journal of pain and symptom management, Searchable on PubMed.
There are dozens of peer reviewed medical articles showing that Chiropractic, and indeed "Subluxation" are nothing but pseudoscience.
Beyond who's reasonable doubt, yours? if you don't understand it, don't comment on it. It's based on getting your body(spine) in alignment, removing interference. It's common sense, if you know the body, you know your nerves travel through your spine, so any misalignment will lead to a less than optimum functioning nervous system. Think of a water-hose with a kink in it, doesn't work the same right. Genius
"[Chiropractic's] cost-effectiveness has not been demonstrated beyond reasonable doubt. The concepts of chiropractic are not based on solid science and its therapeutic value has not been demonstrated beyond reasonable doubt"
Journal of Pain Symptom Management. "Chiropractic: a critical evaluation." 2008 May;35(5):544-62.
Yes, nerve impingements CAN affect your nervous system. In fact, they will lead to a completely non-functioning nervous system. The only symptom ever to have been confirmed to be caused by spinal bones impinging the spinal nerves is complete immobilization.
And nerves don't transmit water, they transmit electricity. I'd like to see you reduce the flow of electrons in a copper wire without breaking the wire.
Well you just basically put the chiropractic philosophy all in perspective, took it to the extreme with the complete immobilization part, but still, you have the idea. We free nerve interference, that's the entire idea, and you can't truly think spinal manipulation, the chiropractic method, can't do just that. Misaligned spines will cause those nerve impingements you're speaking of. Medicine is great, but don't down chiropractic because you don't want to believe in it
I like the idea of what you are saying (hence the +1) but nerves don't transmit electricity. They move ions in and out of the cell in a stepwise pattern the length of the axon to the end where a hormone is released. It is surely not electricity.
The analogy to electricity is a common one but it is not true. Although, I suppose, it works well for people who don't have an education encompassing physiology.
is it me or are all the comments under this one people arguing with each other?
zeekyblahIV 2 months ago
Why are we so willing to gobble up the mounds of medication that doctors shove at us but assume chiro is b.s.? That anything outside of the medical mainstream is b.s. - even though they have as much of an agenda to push in making money as anybody else.
squamish4244 4 months ago
Funny but thats not what chiropractors do!!!!!
MegaSams7 6 months ago
How?!?! How in fuck sake can you dislike this?! It honestly gets me pissed!
ThiefOfMovies 7 months ago
i hate when i start thinking about one of his jokes in public and laugh really fucking hard, and then people look at me like i'm a crazy person!
coolshit321 7 months ago 6
I have never actually almost shit myself before.
TheStbb 7 months ago 2
I don't think it's supposed to go ROUND that---!
ugh
phemyda94 7 months ago
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So called Chiropractic "Vertebral Subluxations" do NOT exist! Complete nonsense and quackery. Do not waste your time and money on a 116 year old belief system. These guys will stop at nothing to take your money and make you believe that they are doing some good. No substantial evidence to back up their main method of treatment which is the Chiropractic adjustment. Could do more harm than good, especially when they adjust the neck.
MrClearThought 9 months ago
Manipulation has been edged out of medical treatment - now, it's either surgery or drugs.
Not very scientific.
TerrySleeper 10 months ago
Luv Eddie! rotflol!!
TheBlackandRedDragon 1 year ago
"Make the noise, make the noise! I LIVE FOR THE NOISE!"
Lmao he kinda sounded like Black Adder when he said "So whats this for?" "I have no idea... *fling!*"
nightstarwolf11 1 year ago 40
@nightstarwolf11 Man I thought the exact same thing :D
LuceBunny 1 year ago
The only way to realise that chiropratic works is to try it.
'Nuff said.
TerrySleeper 1 year ago
@TerrySleeper Yeah. Like prayer, homeopathy, and sugar pills, right?
Saerain 10 months ago
@Saerain Not at all. A chiropracter might not be able to fix your cold or your nervous disposition but if you've got a crick in your back you can bet they'll fix it.
ShanksDChopper 8 months ago
@TerrySleeper No that is confirmation bias, the only way to truly find out is double blind, peer reviewed scientific trials, these have been done and they failed,....
yunged 7 months ago
@yunged - "The proof of the pudding is in the eating".
TerrySleeper 6 months ago
@TerrySleeper i can disprove your post in 3 words 'The Placebo Effect'
yunged 4 months ago
@yunged - placebo - " a substance having no pharmacological effect but given merely to satisfy a patient who supposes it to be a medicine."
No "substance" is nvolved here.
TerrySleeper 4 months ago
@TerrySleeper and you can't see how a physical act could work as a placebo? really?
yunged 3 months ago
@TerrySleeper - your confused about definitions.
A substance is not an act.
Suggested reading: "Francis J.H. Wilson (ed.), Chiropractic In Europe - An Illustrated History" (Leicester, 2007). Lots of pictures and not too taxing for the layman.
TerrySleeper 3 months ago
@yunged You are incorrect.
squamish4244 4 months ago
@squamish4244 You can't possibly say that, i am assuming you know about the placebo effect? if so then you must surely agree that the only way to ensure that this doesnt effect the results of a study to see if this works is to have a control group that is told they are recieving chiropactic treatment but arent! this is the same way we test real medicine so i don't see why this should be any different???
yunged 4 months ago
@yunged I did say that. Chiro works. You want studies, I'll get them.
squamish4244 4 months ago
@squamish4244 Did you ever get those studies? I would be curious to see them. Please forward them.
TheJudoKevin 1 month ago
@TheJudoKevin Check out Wikipedia, it's as good a source as I'm ever likely to have access to. The studies are conflicting but not condemnatory or enough to make it a subject of ridicule.
squamish4244 1 month ago
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@squamish4244 Yeah, I checked it out. Wiki pretty much says there is no evidence that it's effective at all. You stated "Chiro works. You want studies, I'll get them." But you did not get them, nor does your evidence support your position.
TheJudoKevin 1 month ago
wherever he falls, there shall he be burried
Ishlam 1 year ago
....and then at the end your back pain, headaches, sciatica, numb fingers, and vertigo are gone!!
9pt9 1 year ago 26
Izzard's video is hilarious.
docmeyer1 1 year ago
Stop the useless babbling about chiropractic and laugh!
PQfile 1 year ago 3
Chiropractic is pretty much medically useless, but goddamn if it doesn't feel good to get your back cracked.
phantomspellchecker 1 year ago
Mirtz et al, Chiropractic & Osteopathy 2009, 17:13. There is a significant lack of evidence in the literature to fulfill Hills criteria of causation as regards chiropractic subluxation. No supportive evidence is found for the chiropractic subluxation being associated with any disease process or of creating suboptimal health conditions requiring intervention. Regardless of popular appeal this leaves the subluxation construct in the realm of unsupported speculation.
ospreylookout 1 year ago
Chiroquacktic = snake oil
that's what happens when you go to a strip mall for a doctoral degee
cure diabetes and autism with crunching bones my ass
AthleticsJunkie 1 year ago
@AthleticsJunkie Your a junkie? A waste product? Get lost drug abuser! Chiropractic Now!
chiropractic47 1 year ago
@chiropractic47 Where do you get your material? You use profanities and accuse people of being drug abusers, and yet you have no evidence for such assertions. When asked to provide evidence for the claims you make of chiro, as being effective for all sorts of conditions, you lie or offer coffee table promotional materials not fit to line the kitty's litter box. You sound like a religious wing-nut who is desperate and defensive.
ospreylookout 1 year ago
@AthleticsJunkie You are an idiot... You have no idea the educational requirement needed for a doctorate in chiropractic medicine...
chadhedges 1 year ago
@chadhedges You believe in middle ages "medicinal" mysticism? PERFECT!
Wanna buy the Brooklyn Bridge? I have the right rights to it along with some magic beans that will make you...uhh...Healthy. They're Castor Beans. Don't worry though, it's homeopathic.
lulz
TheGreatPyro 1 year ago
@TheGreatPyro -Kidney Beans work better!!!!!!
chadhedges 1 year ago
@chadhedges *Extremely angry post about being disagreed with*
omg kidney beenz r teh sux u r ghey
TheGreatPyro 1 year ago
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chadhedges 1 year ago
@chadhedges Just remembered after I posted that that raw kidney beans are, in fact, poisonous. lol..
Well played sir.
TheGreatPyro 1 year ago
@TheGreatPyro - Yes, I was being a smartass
chadhedges 1 year ago
@chadhedges What education could you possibly need? the entire field of biology and medicine tells us that chiropody makes no sense!
yunged 3 months ago
@yunged Not entirely true... There are many scientific bodies of work, in multiple professional journals that legitimizes many Chiropractic practices. The general public also must realize that the educational breath and depth has changed significantly over the years (within the U.S.). Most modern day Chiropractic Physicians do not practice as a subluxation theorist, and are taught to be general primary care practitioners. The physical manipulations are effective i treating many...
chadhedges 3 months ago
DiCk...little one at that
lerxt42 1 year ago
@lerxt42 Hey, I wouldn't go aroung telling everyone that your not so well endowed. Just a "little" (pun intended) piece of advice. Chiropractic Now!
chiropractic47 1 year ago
He's a troll, he says he sees a hundred peope a day, he must be cracking their necks with a yo-yo
boozenfags 1 year ago
@boozenfags mabye he uses the one technique where he doesn't actually toch them he just thinks about it and the spine magically alligns
lerxt42 1 year ago
@lerxt42 Wow, you described the technique to the "T", as if you performed it yourself...during your failed massage career? Chiropractic Now!
chiropractic47 1 year ago
@chiropractic47 haha he had to block me from one page because i was telling the truth on his profession
lerxt42 1 year ago
Did you know that it is legal for Chirquacktors to deliver babies in Illinois? and they practice on models at their strip mall schools
AthleticsJunkie 1 year ago
@AthleticsJunkie Sure we new it is legal for chiropractic doctors to deliver babies in Illinoise, they're primary care doctors with the same education but 500 hours more than MD's!. Did you notice Eddie opens up his monologue with "I was in NY and "had" to see a chiropractor"? Well Eddie is a proud chiropractic patient and continues to use chiropractic to keep his spine aligned and nervous sytem healthy. Chiropractic is great!
chiropractic47 1 year ago
@chiropractic47 BCA lost and a quarter of all British chiropractors under investigation for bogus medical advice, i.e. saying that can curte stuff. They're halfway to finished. One day people will ask for evidence in your country and you'll have to give more than funny anecdotes from comedians or quote-mining you delusional waster. i. Go read a medical book. 2. Read it without bias. 3. Have the courage to be honest with yourself and others.
boozenfags 1 year ago
@boozenfags Sorry "booze-n-fags or is that what you do? It seems the booze quarbled your post to the point of whaa? What did you write? Medicine is the third largest cause of death in the U.S. thus our govt. will require chiropractic to up the anti? Fat, dumb, and stupid is no way to go through life son. Straighten up, pull up your pants, comb your hair, get that needle and rubber strap off your arm, and spit out those stupid pills! What a fuckin retard? Chiropractic Now!
chiropractic47 1 year ago
@AthleticsJunkie nice..
lerxt42 1 year ago
@chiropractic47
Hi there! Guess who won the lawsuit?The one you claimed BCA won?
Simon Singh won, quacks lost. And no, this isn't April Fool's.
HAHAHA, suck it, you charlatans!
You have zero evidence to back your retarded claims and everyone knows it now. Should have just kept your mouth shut.
LMAO...
me5o 1 year ago
@me5o Now that the party is over and the janitor is sweeping the floors, you must still return to your ragged apartment with the same dredged realization that you molested the little girl down the hall and you profusively masturbate on commuter trains; pouring your wretched spunk upon the world in retaliation for your shortcomings. I don't feel sorry for you me5o. I love it when I help nearly 100 people a day and drive my Jaguar home to see my beautiful wife and four children. Chiropractic Now!
chiropractic47 1 year ago
@chiropractic47 Wow! Seriously passive agressive! :) Getting emotionally unstable when faced with unavoidable facts is far too telling. Throwing random fictitious stats at me and making erronous assumptions about my personal habits doesn't work either. All you've done is made plain how over-sensitive you are, bringing you're family and a car into the debate is simply defeatist. With such dark thoughts you're definately not happy, do you talk to your children like that?Get help before you do harm
boozenfags 1 year ago
@boozenfags yeah he's been at me too. Penis and pee pee jokes aplenty. I wouldn't trust this fake dr with adjusting a thermostat let alone a spine. The local mall closed so he takes hos booth to the county fair now..Chiroquack
lerxt42 1 year ago
@lerxt42 booze with fags? I quieted him down too.
chiropractic47 1 year ago
@chiropractic47 really did you pay him off
lerxt42 1 year ago
@lerxt42 You jerked off who?
chiropractic47 1 year ago
@boozenfags Wow man! I feel much better after your psychotherapy session. Did you feel the same way?
chiropractic47 1 year ago
@chiropractic47
LOL! Chiropractic is losing it!
I probably would too if I was your age and realized I'd been living a lie. Stupid quacks LMAO.
me5o 1 year ago
@me5o Too many Adderals will give you heart palpitations. Cool it with the stuff.
chiropractic47 1 year ago
@chiropractic47 spunk is that the medical term ?
lerxt42 1 year ago
@lerxt42 Spunk? What you eject when you six by six?
chiropractic47 1 year ago
@chiropractic47 do a lot of that do you....in the mall bathrooms
lerxt42 1 year ago
@lerxt42 Gotta keep the pipes clean....
chiropractic47 1 year ago
Guardian UK: Furious backlash from Simon Singh libel case puts chiropractors on ropes. Now even the General Chiropractic Council has disowned the claims of the BCA the same claims that lie at the centre of its libel action against Simon Singh. In a new report, it concludes that the evidence does not support claims that chiropractic treatment is effective for childhood colic, bed-wetting, ear infections or asthma, the very claims that Singh was sued for describing as "bogus".
ospreylookout 1 year ago
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chiro: Show us the evidence if it exists. Every legitimate piece of published research found in peer-reviewed journals is stored in databases such as Medline. There are searched by using the information: author, year, title of study, Journal name, so why won't you provide any evidence to the public? Why are you lying to the people? You are hiding the truth--there is no evidence for most of the garbage you claim. You are a fraud.
ospreylookout 1 year ago
@ospreylookout The only thing that has been 'proven' in large RCTs about the Chiropractic profession is that chiropractic treatment in combination with treatment from GPs and physiotherapists is cost-effective. And that's about it.
NorwegianBastard 1 year ago
@NorwegianBastard In every international cost effective study chiropractic came out on top of MD. DO, PT, and physiotherapy. I guess this is why I help 500+ patient visits per week? Chiropractic is great and for all!!
chiropractic47 1 year ago
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"Chiropractor" has been voted Most Overrated Career by U.S. News & World Report magazine for 2007
ospreylookout 1 year ago
@ospreylookout Reference?
NorwegianBastard 1 year ago
chiro: What I am asking you for is to provide the truth for what you are claiming. Any and all professions, if they are to be respected and remain professions, owe it to the public to substantiate any claims make, otherwise, retract them. Health care is science based, not some quasi-religious fringe group with deluded elements of "vitalism" and "subluxation" that do not stand up to the scrutiny of scientific examination.If you refuse to provide evidence, then the only conclusion is DISHONESTY.
ospreylookout 1 year ago
I suggest that anyone interested, Google the Guardian UK for the story entitled, Furious backlash from Simon Singh libel case puts chiropractors on ropes; One in four chiropractors in Britain are under investigation as a result of campaign by Singh supporters, by Martin Robbins.
ospreylookout 1 year ago
Oh, hey chiropractic.
Speaking of that Simon Singh libel case you claimed Simon lost: google the Guardian piece on the case from Martin Robbins.
Maybe you quacks should have just kept your mouths shut and hoped no-one would notice Simon's piece? Time to panic, you woo-peddling charlatans.
LOL, couldn't have happened to a more deserving bunch.
me5o 1 year ago
me5o: I have following along but was not aware of this piece in the Guardian. I have it up in another window.
Amazing quote: "A staggering one in four chiropractors in Britain are now under investigation for allegedly making misleading claims in advertisements, according to figures from the General Chiropractic Council."
If it quacks like a duck...
ospreylookout 1 year ago
Yeah, these guys have no shame apparently. Either they're lying or they're delusional about their pseudo-science (like chiro47 over here).
me5o 1 year ago
me5o: Check this story out in the Guardian UK....Google: "Guardian UK", "Simon Singh", and "Martin Robbins" altogether....what an eye-opener for sure. Chiros should be outlawed....
ospreylookout 1 year ago
ospreyyousprayme, Listen very carefully to Draggin Eddie... He begins with; "I was in NYC and had to go to a chiropractor..." Eddie continues to recieve chiropractic care. His chiropractic doctor is aware of his need to create humor. Eddie and the doctor remain fond of each other.
chiropractic47 1 year ago
Simon Singh kiss my ass! What do you medical doctors on here think of Osteopaths, manipulative physiotherpaists and Medical doctors trained in manipulation? Or are we just hating Chiropactors? No press is bad press
claireybabey1 1 year ago
claireybabey, thank you for your support of chiropractic! I do believe though that Eddie Izzard has good taste in picking his dresses? Chiropractic!
chiropractic47 1 year ago
well those people use it where it applies
unlike a chiro who uses it on children for colic and sleep/eating disorders, dont see what your back gots to do with your eating habits
noliesundead 1 year ago 2
nolies..., neuromuscular physiology depends dearly on dietary habits. Chiropractic!
chiropractic47 1 year ago
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neuromuscular physiology depends dearly on dietary habits...ok so where does Chiropractic get involved then? last time i check what you eat and your spine really dont got that much to do with each other
how about you tell me where the innate intelligence is located ?
noliesundead 1 year ago
@noliesundead oh you didnt know..these chiroquacks can raise the dead and cure cancer and, and everything...after taking x rays that they can only read and would make a radiologist piss his pants laughing
lerxt42 1 year ago
@lerxt42 DC's complete three times more x-ray instruction than MD's (The Grisanti Report, Coulture, PhD, Dept. of Edu., Pran Magna, PhD). Medical radiologists are fond and impressed with DC's, often collaborating in multidiciplanary research studies and symposiums (Terry Yochum, DC, DABCR). The primary reason LMT's are dismissed from employment at chiropractic offices is due to being caught massaging patients genitels (lerxt42 and anonymous DC). Chiropractic Now!
chiropractic47 1 year ago
@chiropractic47 blah blah blah or we quit because we wont touch the back quacks genitals either way this guy puts the i k in dc
lerxt42 1 year ago
@chiropractic47 yes and they have countless web sites that monitor them and thier little ponzi schemes and money scamming tactics..dont for get folks ..the para medical profession that bills your insurance for as much as it can get away with
lerxt42 1 year ago
@lerxt42 I couldn't agrre with you more. The medical field has numerous ponzi schemes and questionable billing practices. Chiropractic Now!
chiropractic47 1 year ago
@lerxt42 Your the amazing Kreskin! On June 4th, a chiropractic doctor who resolved her endometrial cancer on her own without a hysterectomy, chemo, nor radiation therapy instead utilized chiropractic spinal adjustments, raw vegetable juicing, Essiac, chelation therapy, etc. is meeting with the public and book signing at my office. Anyone interested in meeting with Dr. Nancy please write to RSVP. Chiropractic Now!
chiropractic47 1 year ago
@chiropractic47 yes and if anyone wants to do apast life regression or schedule an iridology session too SCIENCE and EVIDENCE NOW
lerxt42 1 year ago
@chiropractic47 he got his boyfriend to stop my comments on another page as I was telling the truth about back quack tactics and scams...google chiro scams folks
lerxt42 1 year ago
@lerxt42 We tried to Google it and found only beautiful chiropractic miracles. Chiropractic Now!
chiropractic47 1 year ago
@chiropractic47 : Are you still on the defensive pal? How pathetic is that? Spending so much time against the ropes!! If chiro was so effective, then why is there so little evidence for it? Why do you get so whacked out when people simply ask you to provide the evidence? You refer to non-existant papers or crap that some chiro wrote for his office coffee table, circa 1989, and call that "evidence"?? Pathetic!
ospreylookout 1 year ago
@ospreylookout You sure spent a ton of time beating your meat, then ya decide to post. What are you? A freak of nature? Chiropractic Now!
chiropractic47 1 year ago
@chiropractic47 Do you ever bother to pre-read what you think is a smart thing to say? I mean, for a guy who claims to be a health professional, you write like a flunked out high school kid. I guess to become a chiro, all it takes is an education in a whacked out pseudo-religious college to call yourself fit to practice. PATHETIC.
ospreylookout 1 year ago
@ospreylookout You appear to be serious about a career in chiropractic. I can arrange for you to be flown to Life Chiropractic at their expense. Tour the campus, etc.. Best of luck to ypu in your career in chiropractic.
chiropractic47 1 year ago
@chiropractic47 I have no interest in a profession that is not based on science, but on pseudo-religious rantings based on the teachings of the kooky Palmer. This was 100 years ago, and the profession clings like its lifeline, to antiquated and unproven theories such as "subluxation" and "vitalism". More importantly, there is very little evidence to support chiro.. QUACKERY!
ospreylookout 1 year ago
@ospreylookout Oh come on and join us osprey. We'd have so much fun. Chiropractic Now!
chiropractic47 1 year ago
@chiropractic47 Perhaps you would spend much less time against the ropes trying to defend the indefensible if you spent time telling your chiro association that it needs to do more scientific research and less time 0n advertisements in the chiropractic literature that amount to for-profit promotion of unproven health remedies. Does no one in your profession have access to a crap-detector?
ospreylookout 1 year ago
@chiropractic47 Unfortunately, the only efforts that chiro seems to make to support the profession are seminars and workshops and tours designed to indoctrinate the gullible. For anyone with an education, this garbage is snake-oil.
ospreylookout 1 year ago
@ospreylookout actually. snake oil is quite decent for relieving arthritis and joint pain the problem was that in the wild west they either used the wrong damn snakes (american snakes have ALOT lss of the active ingredient of snake oil which was based off the oils of the chinese water snake.) or promised too much if they DID have the right formulation.
elgostine 9 months ago
Oh, and a chiropractor told you Izzard is still under chiropractic care? That makes it true obviously!
I mean, a chiropractor wouldn't lie, would he? LOL!
Btw, I guess you guys don't respect doctor-patient -confidentiality since you aren't real doctors anyway.
me5o 1 year ago
With a very similar but 400 hour longer curricula than MD's, licensed to perform a full systems examination, order diagnostic tests to arrive at a differential diagnosis, federally licensed physicians, but don't kill or maime millions world-wide with drugs, needles, and knives...chiropractic doctors (DC) are proud to not be "Real Doctors". Izzards chiro. has permission to achnowledge he cares for Eddie. Many celebrities, athletes, and politicians allow knowledge of their health care preferences.
chiropractic47 1 year ago
If chiros are going to make claims that something they sell you has a health benefit, then they should provide the evidence that it has been shown to actually do this. It is not enough to simply make an empty claim. This is irresponsible of any profession. So, where is the scientific evidence that has been conducted and published in respected, peer-reviewed health science journals? It doesnt exist!! Chiro is a scam, and its proponents should be eyed very suspiciously.
ospreylookout 1 year ago 2
ospreylookfoolish, Only 15% of medicine's drugs and procedures are fully understood and there's no data tracking there long term effects. Did you know medicine is considered the third largest cause of death in the U.S. (800,000 Americans dead each year at medicnes hands, "Death by Medicine" Gary Null, PhD).
chiropractic47 1 year ago
chiro: How many lives does it save? Ask the average American if they would rather do away with chiro or meds, and hands down, your back-side would be out the door. Instead of constantly trashing meds, which is a pitiful example of your massive inferiority complex, why don't you just accept the fact that you are no where near the same level as any MD. Sorry, but regardless of legitimate concerns of pharma corp not giving a rats bass about health, that doesn't prove that chiro works.
ospreylookout 1 year ago
ospreygoo, Go on bird brain...produce one study to back up your tweet: "People prefer meds over chiropractic". I see 500+ pv/week and never heard a piece of garbage as such....Oh, Dr., I prefer drugs over chiropractic". LOL! I love it when a medic begins to boil over into his final thrash. You sound so desperate to breath osprey. Your flight feathers clipped, now you must walk the walk. Chiropractic!
chiropractic47 1 year ago
chiro: I am not the one making the unsubstantiated and outragious claims, you are. If I were making claims, I would provide the evidence to support them, so where is this evidence? QUACKERY!!
ospreylookout 1 year ago
ospreygooponu, Did you know scientific research with clinical trials supports chiropractic spinal adjustments and soft tissue mobilization as effective for baby colic? (Spine, PubMed, Coulture, PhD, etc.). osprey, you must be broiling mad by now? Chiropractic is pretty cool huh? Chiropractic!
chiropractic47 1 year ago
chiro: Provide me with the specific citation: author, year, title, journal, and I am happy to read.
ospreylookout 1 year ago
chiro: Simply because you name journals, does not mean that the studies are even there, nor does it mean that the studies are conclusive. You seem to lack entirely any education in research methodology. Why, after this many comments, have you not been able to provide one single article that substantiates your ridiculous claims? Simply spreading propaganda is not sufficient.
ospreylookout 1 year ago
chiro: You wrote the word, "Coulture", and I am not aware of it as a peer-reviewed journal. Perhaps you meant "Cochrane"? It shows how much you actually know about research when you cannot even name a few journals correctly. You are really pathetic pal. Doctor WANNABEE!
ospreylookout 1 year ago
@ospreylookout check out the Penn JIlette chiropractic page to see some of Chiroquacktic47"s colorfull medical terms he has called me
lerxt42 1 year ago
@lerxt42 Osprey is an old adversarial friend of mine. He went through the same thing I am doing to you. Look how peaceful he is. I gave him a mental lobotomy. Now he's all relaxed....a little goofy...but relaxed. You'll feel the same way soon.
chiropractic47 1 year ago
@chiropractic47 lobotomy...you are trying to sound like a real Dr now? i can keep this upi all day you are fun
lerxt42 1 year ago
@lerxt42 "I'll suck it"...say this three times fast...you'll need to master these three words in order to succeed in the DO's office. Chiropractic Now!
chiropractic47 1 year ago
chiro: You claim that chiro is effective for "infant colic". Where is the evidence for this? Can you provide the specific citation (author, year, title, journal) to substantiate this claim please?
ospreylookout 1 year ago
Olafsdottir et als 100 infant randomised, blinded, placebo controlled clinical trial (Olafsdottir, Forshei, Fluge & Markestad; 2001; Arch Dis Child. 2001 Feb;84(2):138-41), concluded that Chiropractic spinal manipulation is no more effective than placebo in the treatment of infantile colic.
ospreylookout 1 year ago
chiro: You arre pathetic. Why is it that you refuse to provide the evidence that any of the crap you claim is actually based in legitimate science? You clowns should be driven out of town on the tip of a boot! Snake-oil salesmen!! But this guy is funny...the truth is hilarious, isn't it!!!
ospreylookout 1 year ago 2
@ospreylookout I actually think Eddie Izzard is funny as well as proud of him for utilizing chiropractic for his health needs. Chiropractic Now! Oh, ospreyuwithpiss, why not spend a little time reading chiropractic research journals such as JAMPT, Spine, Journal of Chiropractic Research, etc.? Did you read the story last week about the family in Connecticut suing the medical doctor for prescribing a lethal dose of medication to their daughter? Tradegy isn't it? Snake oil?....
chiropractic47 1 year ago
You're full of shit. Chiropractors usually are.
me5o 1 year ago
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me5o 1 year ago
Folks, I was completely taken by surprise and give my apologies to Eddie Izzard. Recently a collegue e-mailed me to inform me that Eddie Izzard respects and remains under chiropractic care. His chiropractic doctor is amused, not offended by Eddie. He (the DC) understands how anything can take on a comedic twist. Eddie told his chiropractic doctor that he's always on the search for material and asked him not to be offended. I now have much more respect for Eddie Izzard. Chiropractic!!!
chiropractic47 1 year ago
Crack your bones!
emilythe11emo 1 year ago
It's true! Every solution is "crack your back." It's like that old saying: If you have a hammer, every problem looks like a nail.
JimSmithPirate 1 year ago
JimSmithpirate, Eddie remains under chiropractic care.
chiropractic47 1 year ago
Yep. Just like go to an MD and either get a drug or surgery. Always either something missing or too much stuff in your body.
jeffgilebrt1 1 year ago
Your head's come off!
lolspud 2 years ago
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Support simon singh why? so "science" writers can say what they like with impunity. If he has evidence to support his comments they wouldnt be libelous! Very funny clip. As a chiro myself I reckon subluxation theory is 50 years out of date. We have good evidence that manipulation helps musculosketal pain but dogma stops us looking for a better rationale. I see a "subluxation" a bit like a spinal limp, "it hurts so it doesnt move properly or vice versa" simple, or is it chiropractic marketing?
highchiro 2 years ago
i'm gonna crack yer bones! LOL!! hysterical.....uhchaaazzz...Make the noise, make the noise, I LIVE for the NOISE!!!...hahahh
dianadietrichpilates 2 years ago 10
LOL, bogus treatment indeed.
Support Simon Singh and free speech in science.
me5o 2 years ago 6
Simon Singh lost his appeal! Yes! Chiropractic!!
chiropractic47 1 year ago
me5o, Eddie Izzard remains under chiropractic care. How do you feel about Eddie Izzard now that you he loves chiropractic care? Chiropractic!!!
chiropractic47 1 year ago
You know, chiropractic... why don't you go crack some kids' backs and tell them it will cure their asthma you fucking loser.
Gotten an "education" in a pseudo-science and now living a lie and being a fraud? Good luck with that, asshole.
xoxo
me5o 1 year ago
me5o, your name or age (me 5 or 50)? Thank you, I do help children every day. I see 550 pv/week, of which 125 are children whom I examin and adjust when necessary. Their parents are intelligent professionals who see and understand the value of chiropractic as a means to clear the spine of nerve interference and counsel on a healthful lifestyle, to include weaning off prescription drugs. Thank you so very much me5o for affirming who I am, what I must do, and what you are....
chiropractic47 1 year ago
And let me guess, you subject them to X-rays every single time?
Yeah, you're really helping them out with your nonsense.
Couldn't get into a proper medical school? LOL.
me5o 1 year ago
me5o, it's you who's been subjected to X-rays. Reach above your head and you will find two little horns growing upwards....oh you little devil! Chiropractic!
chiropractic47 1 year ago
doest that just means the treatment not working?
noliesundead 1 year ago
nolies..., Eddie Izzard enjoys and values chiropractic. Wether it helps him select his dress's....?
chiropractic47 1 year ago
noliessundead, In this video Eddie Izzard begins with "I was in NY and had to see a chiropractor", he had to see a chiropractic doctor. Thank you Eddie, for your use of and support of chiropractic!
chiropractic47 1 year ago
so your going take the word of a comedians bit
as more accurate then, the double-blind studies on the same subject? sure why not? worked for andy Kaufman cancer's right?...oops
noliesundead 1 year ago
@me5o Yes, Simon Singh is a hero of free speech and scientific thinking. Good on you Simon!!
ospreylookout 1 year ago
i see about 40 people trying to prove that they are smarter then one another on the internet.... and 1 person commenting on the acual video
Gameczar 2 years ago 7
I imagine Eddy Izzard needed chiropractic care enough to want to go to a chiropractor. Good for him! CHIROPRACTIC!
chiropractic47 2 years ago
I'll also add that chiropractors all practice very differently. Here in the U.S. (Massachusetts), I run my office much like a physical therapist, where spinal manipulation is just one of many physical treatments offered (i.e., physical not medications). Many of my patients never receive spinal manipulation. All of them receive a diagnosis, however, and that diagnosis is never "subluxation", which I do not believe exists (to reiterate what some above are saying).
grthwr 2 years ago
Good for you; "straight" chiropractic with all of the subluxation nonsense is complete horseshit.
Seriously, way not to be a quack like 90% of the rest of your profession.
cowy1 2 years ago
wow you do love your dogma!
Shame you dont love your science facts on the chiro profesion.
Try these literature searcches
Beam trial 2004
NICE Guidelines; In May 2009
Medical Research Council; 'Low Back pain of mechanical origin: randomised comparison of Chiropractic from hospital outpatient treatment'; Meade et al.
Seriously, why not be like 90% of your type and quote yourself as a scientist without reading any literature. Next you'll be saying cancer is mainly genetic ....
rhodesdarcy 2 years ago
Brilliant! As a chiropractic physician, loved it! One point: chiropractic is not the term for spinal manipulation. "Chiropractic" (noun) is a profession, not a treatment modality. Calling spinal manipulation "chiropractic" is nonsense; that's like calling a few exercises "physical therapy". Ah well, love Mr. Izzard anyway. He is the last Monty Python member...
grthwr 2 years ago 2
Going to a Chiropracter right now! This is alllll soooo true!
Hakkai87 2 years ago
Well try your luck with an MD and get some of those good ol drugs and see how that works out
liveboy28 2 years ago
Ditto on that. Non steroidals are the third largest cause of death in the U.S.
chiropractic47 2 years ago
"This is allll soooo true' in that chiropractic worked for you. I'm happy and not surprised you had a most positive experience with chiropractic. Follow through witht the DC's recommended schedule, then have wellness care.
chiropractic47 2 years ago
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I have made available some material on this matter in video form all related back to the literature. check out my channel if you like...
DrJDavid 2 years ago
Oops, made that reply with my new channel instead of "TheFifthApes".
Check it out. There's a video on it you might like to see.
SourScience 2 years ago
An ad-hominum IS a logical fallacy when used instead of an argument. Ad hominem is one of the best known of the logical and systematic fallacies usually enumerated in introductory logic and critical thinking textbooks.
Unless your next reply inclues physical evidence and reasoned logic showing that "subluxations" of the spine can caused illnesses in the human body, besides paralysis, I'm done talking to you.
SourScience 2 years ago
I don't know about this guy/girly man or whatever? He's just...just not funny.
And we all love chiropractic. Why would we laugh at such an important health care delivery system?
chiropractic47 2 years ago
Because Chiropractic is scientifically a kin to homeopathy, herbal medicine, accupuncture, reflexology, and magnetic healing. That is to say; It's not based on science, it's pseudoscience.
TheFifthApes 2 years ago
No...? Chiropractic is not scientifically akin to homeopathy, et all. chiropractic is well grounded in science. Most people refuse to read the scientific research on chiropractic because it threatens the well ingrained medical (allopathic0 paradigms approach to health. Here in the U.S. chiropractic is the second largest and fastest growing group of primary care doctors. while growing In the UK, detractors sucha s Simon Singh try to behave as wedges between what is to be and what is now.
chiropractic47 2 years ago
There are obvious differences in tastes and timing for comedy between the UK and U.S The drag queen act had already came and went here, and now is old fodder. Its not funny anymore.
Read chiropractic and medical research journals. They all have positive outcomes regarding chiropractic. Did you know that here in the U.S. the chiropractic school curricula is very similar but more hours (500) than medical school curricula?
chiropractic47 2 years ago
"The core concepts of chiropractic, subluxation and spinal manipulation, are not based on sound science. Back and neck pain are the domains of chiropractic but many chiropractors treat conditions other than musculoskeletal problems. With the possible exception of back pain, chiropractic spinal manipulation has not been shown to be effective for any medical condition. Manipulation is associated with frequent mild adverse effects and with serious complications of unknown incidence... (Cont'd)
TheFifthApes 2 years ago
(Cont'd) ...Its cost-effectiveness has not been demonstrated beyond reasonable doubt. The concepts of chiropractic are not based on solid science and its therapeutic value has not been demonstrated beyond reasonable doubt." - Journal of pain and symptom management, Searchable on PubMed.
There are dozens of peer reviewed medical articles showing that Chiropractic, and indeed "Subluxation" are nothing but pseudoscience.
TheFifthApes 2 years ago
Beyond who's reasonable doubt, yours? if you don't understand it, don't comment on it. It's based on getting your body(spine) in alignment, removing interference. It's common sense, if you know the body, you know your nerves travel through your spine, so any misalignment will lead to a less than optimum functioning nervous system. Think of a water-hose with a kink in it, doesn't work the same right. Genius
liveboy28 2 years ago
Edzard Ernst, Professor of Complementary Medicine
"[Chiropractic's] cost-effectiveness has not been demonstrated beyond reasonable doubt. The concepts of chiropractic are not based on solid science and its therapeutic value has not been demonstrated beyond reasonable doubt"
Journal of Pain Symptom Management. "Chiropractic: a critical evaluation." 2008 May;35(5):544-62.
TheFifthApes 2 years ago
Yes, nerve impingements CAN affect your nervous system. In fact, they will lead to a completely non-functioning nervous system. The only symptom ever to have been confirmed to be caused by spinal bones impinging the spinal nerves is complete immobilization.
And nerves don't transmit water, they transmit electricity. I'd like to see you reduce the flow of electrons in a copper wire without breaking the wire.
TheFifthApes 2 years ago
Well you just basically put the chiropractic philosophy all in perspective, took it to the extreme with the complete immobilization part, but still, you have the idea. We free nerve interference, that's the entire idea, and you can't truly think spinal manipulation, the chiropractic method, can't do just that. Misaligned spines will cause those nerve impingements you're speaking of. Medicine is great, but don't down chiropractic because you don't want to believe in it
liveboy28 2 years ago
I like the idea of what you are saying (hence the +1) but nerves don't transmit electricity. They move ions in and out of the cell in a stepwise pattern the length of the axon to the end where a hormone is released. It is surely not electricity.
The analogy to electricity is a common one but it is not true. Although, I suppose, it works well for people who don't have an education encompassing physiology.
cowy1 2 years ago
Thanks for the correction. Thinking of picking up some literature on cognitive neuroscience.
TheFifthApes 2 years ago
No problem, it is a common misconception.
cowy1 2 years ago