This is a poor argument against Atheism because it is easy to say that communism is not Atheism but just another ideology. Other Religions exist besides Christianity.
Inca un prost care are impresia ca legio-labanarii nu au fost persecutati din motive politice, ci religioase. Un prost care confunda doctrina socială, politică şi economică constituită pe principiul abolirii proprietăţii private şi al instaurării proprietăţii colective cu concepție materialistă care respinge religia, credința în supranatural și existența oricărei divinități, a miracolelor și a vieții de apoi
Inca un prost care are impresia ca legio-labanarii nu au fost persecutati din motive politice, ci religioase. Un prost care confunda doctrina socială, politică şi economică constituită pe principiul abolirii proprietăţii private şi al instaurării proprietăţii colective cu concepție materialistă care respinge religia, credința în supranatural și existența oricărei divinități, a miracolelor și a vieții de apoi
Inca un prost care are impresia ca legio-labanarii nu au fost persecutati din motive politice, ci religioase. Un prost care confunda doctrina socială, politică şi economică constituită pe principiul abolirii proprietăţii private şi al instaurării proprietăţii colective cu concepție materialistă care respinge religia, credința în supranatural și existența oricărei divinități, a miracolelor și a vieții de apoi.
hey so fucktard atheism actually is not a religion because it doesnt involve any sort of worship or deity just as buddhism is not a religion because it doesnt involve the worship of a deity although many monks will make buddha look like a god but hes actually not and there are many other fuck ups in this video but rather than stating them i will simply say 1 thing learn what your critiqueing before you critique it because otherwise you just look like an ass which you do sooooo yeah
I dont think atheism is religion of hate. But Anti-Theism sure the hell is. Im Agnostic and i get sick of people like Dick Dawkins talking about taking some people children away because there religious. Or Sam Harris thinking it might be o.k. to kill somebody for there beliefs. The one thing i hate the most is assholes. when it comes to being the biggest assholes in the universe. Anti-Theist take the damn cake.Asking them show some respect and decency. Is like asking a piranha to not to eat you.
Pretty sickening that you'd use someone else's suffering under Communism to promote your ideas that Atheists are evil. Using somebody like that is wrong. What any Communist Atheists might have done doesn't make Atheism evil. It makes the power-hungry brainwashers bad people. The idea of Atheism doesn't promote hurting people, simply that there is no God. Atheism didn't drive these people to do crimes, their own greed did.
@LastBitofCommonSense What is your philosophical foundation to say that there is "bad people" in the first place? "bad"? You talk as if it had objective value...
"crime"? The mass murder was legalized in many countries. Pretty ethical.
"simply that THERE IS NO God"
This is positive atheism - matter of faith (most atheists disagree with your statement).
@colecionar Typically, good people don't mass murder. You might never have met somebody who was truly evil (there're aren't many), but it exists. It's the results that these "bad people" have on others that makes it objective. Commiting genocide is bad. Might be hard for you to believe, but yes, murderers are not good people. And crime transcends law. Needlessly causing harm is a crime. And why would most Atheists disagree that there is negativity in the world? Where do you get that from?
Funny how atheism is the only stance that holds all people equal, no chosen people, no people deserving of hell, just people. Bad video, bad information, must be from a theist.
This video promotes misinformation: atheism is not communism; atheism is not a religion; nihilism and atheism are not mutually exclusive; if Karl Marx was a Satanist Jew, like you claim, he could NOT have been an atheist. The word 'atheist' was actually originally applied to CHRISTIANS in the Roman Empire, those that did not believe in the Roman gods. All it means now is having belief in no gods, for example, none of you believe in Thor or Odin, therefore you are atheistic towards them.
If you believe in evolution, then the first human to walk upright was an atheist. He had no idea what the word God meant, much less was he worried about worshiping him.He had far more important things on his mind, as should you. If you don't believe in evolution, than you have made my point for me.
how can an atheist be a satanist!?! that's like claiming that a triangle is a circle. those that believe in the unverifiable as fact don't even know how to think.
'The parent of the atheism dogma was a satanist jew called Karl Marx."
what is atheist dogma!?! there are no dogmas in the position of "i don't believe you when you claim there is a god(s)." marx is hardly the 'parent' of atheist dogma (atheist dogma is a figment of the imagination, kinda like god), there have been people not believing that unverifiable claim for all of history!
the first picture: it says communism not atheism lol but im sure you dont even get this one
"If atheism from definition is not anti-christian why it is manifesting this way.
Nihilism is a conception which affirms there is no Truth, so nihilism is irrational."
yes, IF..but atheism is the rejection of arguments for the existence of a god. Thats it. It has no agenda that you wanted to suggest. Its not anti- theism
this video made my day haha better than comedy central
@Trampadoo but to be fair, hitler did not followed the example of christ, i mean he said that he was a christian, after all it was a christian nation that he ruled. But there are documents that let him say something hatefull against christianity, its presented by dawkins in his book the god delusion.
i dont see any substance in the claim that he was a christian, chirstians have a point when they say "no he was not a christian". I could understand if he was a muslim,in fact islam and nazism work
@Serpico261: I agree, what christian does actually follow the example of christ anyway? So many Americans calling themselves true christians and you won't probably find a handfull who actually give away all of their money and posessions to the poor. The history of christianity and other religions is basically that of people picking what they like and then run with it, be it actually benefical to others or just plain hateful.
@Trampadoo yes ur right, the book reffers to table talks in which hitler was surounded by "private" companions. I had no idea that the notes were controversial, didnt hear about fake quotes. I think dawkins say frequently that hitler was a christian, because if you do so, then christians who stress the atheism of stalin, get their own argument back. Because its the exact same argument. Stalin called himself an atheist,well ok....but hilter called himself a christian! so they see whats wrong here
@Serpico261: Thank you for the info! If the quotes are clearly anti-christian and not just anti-catholic chances are high those are the two fake quotes. They occasionally pop up on christian sites and sometimes even rather neutral sites. It's a case of Chinese Whispers so to speak. The anti-christian quotes are nowhere to be found in the German transcripts, they simply don't exist. They pop up in the French translation on which the English translation from the 80s is based on.
@Serpico261: So Dawkins might have actually used those quotes, unkowing they were fake because the English version was not officially corrected. So in reality those who argue Hitler was anti-christian really don't have anything they can work with. Good point Dawkins made there, though. It's funny how particularly in English speaking countries Hilter is put into the atheist box with full conviction even though his work is stuffed with religious themes that couldn't be less atheist.
@Serpico261: I have not read Dawkins book but I would be careful about a particular two quotes from the 'table talks' written down by Bohrmann. The English version is based on a French translation of the German transcripts and the French translator, who also faked Hitler's last will (as he later admitted) added the two clear anti-christian quotes that are usually referred to as "prove" that Hitler was not a Christian in English texts. So I don't know if Dawkins used the fake quotes as well.
@Serpico261: The English translator who later learned the two quotes had been added never clearified their mistake so it won't really be Dawkins fault if he had used them since he had no reason to suspect the translatiosn was inaccurate.
The only way we could actually claim Hitler was not a christian would be by saying that he was doing evil stuff. But being a christian has nothing to do with being a good person or actually following the couple of good things Jesus was assumed to have said.
@Serpico261. That would leave us with pretty much no christians at all.
Haha, Islam right now might have suited him but to be honest, the radical christianity he wanted had been a reality only 100 years and then backwards ago.
@Trampadoo of course its only a constructivistic opinion and impression from me, but i experience christianity often very secular. its hard for me to imagine that a christian that nknows the bible and follows jesus as a role model for life could in any way accept mass murder or propaganda against jews. It seems so odd. I have not read the bible so i can only judge from how i experience christianity here and in the media. The reason why germans could allow the holocaust lies also in human nature
@Serpico261: The problem is that the bible is so utterly self-contradicting and can cater to any kind of human character and agenda I guess. Christians readily accepted wars and torture and other horrible things in the name of Jesus, you can so easly ignore the parts that contradict your plans and view and just focus, say, in Hitler's case on the powerful, angry, Jew-opposing Jesus.
Yeah...Karl Marx was a Christian turned Satanist. He willingly turned to Satan and wanted to bring people to hell along with himself according to a poem he wrote. I feel he used atheism as a device to turn people from God.
what a load of propaganda nonsense. Communism has nothing to do with what atheism is about. There is christian communism too. Communism is a sociopolitical and economic system. The fact that the corrupted versions used by Stalin and Mao adopted a forced atheism, for the SOLE purpose of having absolute power, has nothing to do with atheism, anymore than if they outlawed hair, would mean all bald people in the world are evil. Read a history book.
what a load of propaganda nonsense. Communism has nothing to do with what atheism is about. There is christian communism too. Communism is a sociopolitical and economic system. The fact that the corrupted versions used by Stalin and Mao adopted a forced atheism, for the SOLE purpose of having absolute power, has nothing to do with atheism, anymore than if they outlawed hair, would mean all bald people in the world are evil. Read a history book.
Last time I checked there were a bunch of religious wars in which many people died. A lot of those people died at the hands of the Catholic Crusaders who "fought" (aka killed) in the name of God. There was also the Spanish Inquisition in which many people were horribly tortured for not believing in or going against the Catholic God. neolegionar, don't generalize all people of the stem of a belief system with the horrible people in throughout history. ........Hypocrite
religion is a belief system. atheism is lack of belief in gods. it is not a religion. atheists may have different political and social views, but they use logic to make their opinions and to form their moral values. Religious folks' opinions and values are usualy influenced by their superstitions.
It is as stupid as if I would hold you responsible for terrorists flying plains into skyscrapers because you are a theist. Even if you don´t share any values with those who did this. Or be paranoid and think you might burn "witches" and kill "blasphemers" or start wars in the name of your god. Because Christians did this in the dark ages. Just grow up. Get to learn some atheist and act like a decent human being.
The moral values are connected to lots of things like upbringing and the culture your brought up in. This is like talking to a child. This video is really below the level of a grown up human.
Educate yourself. Atheists are less represented in prisons than in populations. The more atheists living in a country the more peaceful the country is. Now there you don´t have to be ignorant, paranoid and spread lies about what atheism means anymore.
Atheism is a lack of belief in gods. Period. That is all that all atheists share with all other atheists.There are no atheistic dogmas. Atheists have moral values like all human beings, except for psychopaths of course (which is neither connected to atheism or theism), but the values are not connected to atheism, since no atheist values or dogmas exist.
Now if you wanted to be a dictator wouldn´t you use the fact that people in the country were religious and used to do as religious authorities told them? Of course communists also used this to their advantage, as all other dictators have done, and they organized their regimes to work as state religions. It was a well tried concept.
I hope you are extremely childish, ignorant and paranoid. And don´t just like to slander people who consider totalitarian communism, and all other totalitarian regimes including theocracies, to be just as horrible as you do.
Totalitarian communism is a state religion. Cults built around persons, no one is allowed to question dogmas and leaders. Just like in a totalitarian theocracy.
Karl Marx was psychologically disturbed narcissistic monster, who happened to be an Atheist. He wasn't a psychologically disturbed narcissistic monster because he was an atheist.
I am VERY scared about people which such extreme ideas like you. They're sometimes capable to do anything to convince another group that your religion or idea is the best idea. A man with the also extreme ideas did somethingf horrible in Norway last week.
yes communism worked out wrong (it had good intentions) but the religion doesn't had good intentions it wants to get a powerful group and is full of hate. By the way most atheist are very liberal not that I am such a liberal but just to tell you that's the opposite.
LoL..... Russian communists happened to be atheist just like suicide bombers happen to be religious. So, using the amazing reasoning skills of the imbecile who did the video, we can clearly conclude that all religious people like to kill children in suicide bombings.
@GraveyardGhost559 Wrong. Read the book of Acts, chapter 2, especially verses 44 & 45. That is communal living, i.e., communism. (Not Leninist or Stalinist, but communism nonetheless).
@GraveyardGhost559 thats because communism was about following the government. people would have chosen religion over the government, so they outlaw religion. however, that fact that communists were atheists doesnt mean people get to compare them to modern atheists, who use reason and logic to dismiss religion rather that greed and desire for power.
@GraveyardGhost559 and yet everyone(including other atheists) agrees that communism was bad. the atheism i am defending is the same type that is spreading over europe, america, and the rest of the world. using logic and reason to find solutions and get along with your fellow man. its not trying to control anyone or make them believe something, it is trying to let people open their minds and think for themselves. if you cant see the difference between that and communism, i feel sorry for you.
@FrankSpijker i agree. its is a common mistake that i should have avoided. communism is just a system, and it was the people who ran it that made it bad. i cant say the "communism killed people", i can only say that people were killed by the government under a communist system. the system itself, as you said, was made with the intent of helping people, even if it was used to basically genocide people.
They arn't evil, however they are majorly misinformed and their faith has caused far more problems than it solves and still does. It is harmful to them and to society. They arnt evil. I dont hate their religion because I want to harm them, I hate it because I want to help them
@MrWaterlionmonkey Eh. I retract my statement. The more I study the scriptures and looking at everything from a Christian view I can see that the atheism is wicked and causes problems.
Thats a damn shame. You were in the sensible position and now youve moved to the ignorant path all because a dusty old book says so. How about I follow a faith that says all bald people are evil and will be tortured for eternity and we must stay away from them? It has every bit as much justification as your reviesed point of view. And is every bit as illogical and prejudice
May I ask you a question? How do you know your bible was written by God and the Koran, Greek myth texts, book of Mormon, the sihk holly book, the Edas or the Vedas wernt? And in some of those you are prejudged as an evil person who causes problems. They are also completly incompatable and are as impossible to disprove as your book, are you willing to believe them just based on the fact that they exist, like you are for your book?
The fact that you have just prejuded me and have no tangable basis for it very much offendens me. So I am wicked yet Moses, Joshua, David and Solomon arnt? Out of the all of us im the only one who hasnt destroyed whole cities and slaughtered babies and animals all because I had a feeling God wanted that. Even if he did as your bible says, then your God is a piece of work. So how dare you
you're confusing Atheism with the communist agenda. They're not related at all. If you want to see hate filled mentality check out the Christian history ... Its full of hate and violence and injustice aimed towards humanity.
@lordsong7 Not true. Darwin is not my god, but thank you for trying. Maybe someone else in this conversation needs to be educated. *points at you* :3
No one has been killed in the name of atheism. For all atheists are different and have different views. There is only one thing all atheists have in common. Not believing in a god. Thank you for your time. You have a nice day.
@lordsong7 I can see you are a Christian. How come if "God" is so loving,knowing, and powerful He allowed these regimes. Also how come in the bible it said the world only existed for only 12,000 years. And more people die in religious regimes such as the Nazi Regime which killed Jews, Communists, Slavs, Gypsies because Hitler thought them as being not worthy to be in gods presence. And how come every religion with an exception of Buddhism is forced on the people.
@lordsong7 You are clearly stupid. I'm an atheist because everything in the bible doesn't make any sense example Moses builds a giant ship by himself and his sons and it holds every animal on earth. How can you find that believable?
It really doesnt matter if the Nazi government was not christian. They used christian reasons and christian brain washing to get european christians to kill individuals that theyre ansetors had been killing as enemiess of the faith. Most germans wouldn't know what the hell any of the other stuff meant. Also even if their next target was christianity there is no proof what so ever that they would have suceeded in doing it as alot of the army and country were strong Christians
@lordsong7 I cant blame you for worshiping a Zombie Cosmic Jew and eating his flesh to relieve of your sins you were just thought at a religious school with biased opinions a pedophilia priests
@lordsong7 Way to insult me while I am nothing but nice to you. Is that what Jesus would do? It's very Christian of you to insult others while putting yourself on that "holier than thou" pedestal.
There have not been many atheist regimes. Hitler was not an atheist and made frequent references to believing in a god in Mein Kampf. The atheist regime i can think of is maybe Stalin, but I don't know much about him. See what I did there? I admitted to what I don't know. Not made shit up like you.
You make the assumption that atheism motivated the brutality of 'atheistic' regimes. The soviet regime was 'atheistic' but it was not atheism that motivated the killing. It was stalinism, a political ideology.
Atheism does not automatically make you a nice or bad person. Nor does it mean you support a particular form of governance, morality, or brand of toothpaste.
atheism means you reject a certain set of claims - nothing more.
Number 2. Communism is a political religion dedicated to the extermination of capitalism and all things that may feul it, and this in the hands of a once feudal, aggressive and easily lead populance is what made them so iggnorant and hateful. In which case they seem a hell of alot more like the people of your view point
Number 3. If I was to play the tally game with you then youd have to deal with the thousands of years of sick divine inspired laws that have lead to bucket loads of death that cant be counted and continues to go on, thousands of years religiously impowered war and genocide, the retardasion of scientific achievement, and crime rates as the idea of divine forgivness and self revelation (temperary insanity fueled my faith) leave many offenders with a clear conscience, and much more
Number 4. I do not like playing the dick measuring game of "your team killed more than my team". Im really tired of it as an arguement and it sickens me. It cheapens the needless sacriffices of the dead and deprived simply because your happy that the deaths were small by your standerds (a deaths a death and you have an air of responsibility for them by attaching your self to the faith that killed them), and seeing as im not a stalinist im not asociated to the crimes of communism
This is as credible as posting Halocaust images and blaming the World Wars on Christianity. It is stupid and unproductive. Try using logical thought to form an argument, instead of this bs propaganda.
Also, its impossible to be a Satanist-Jew, and if Marx was one of the two (that's racist beyond belief by the way), he wouldnt support atheist thought as well, because anyone who has a proper understanding of what religion is would know that satanism, Judaism, and atheism sharply contrast each other. this video is an embarrassment to your God, and I'm sure he would send you to hell over this just like he would send me there for not subscribing to his bullsh*t.
Last time I checked my thesaurus, atheism wasn't a synonym for communism. Nevermind the mass holocaust of the Jews influenced by Hitler's religious beliefs (Roman Catholic).
@bryan12294 I respectfully disagree: Hitler, by his own admission was a social Darwinist. In his own words, "Christianity is for the weak." Hitler hated Christianity as outlined in Mein Kampf. Neitzche was Hitlers favorite philospher and even gave a copy of Neitzche's work to Stalin before the war. Mein Kampf is packed with references to Darwin. Two days before his suicide, Hitler said that the Germans had proven themselves to be the weaker species against the slavs. Darwin, Darwin, Darwin....
@streetcornerprophet Thank you for enlightening me on this matter. However, this video is still an uneducated insult to atheism (which, by the way, isn't a religion, and definitely doesn't endorse hate), and I hope you can see that as well.
@streetcornerprophet I have reason to think Mao was setting himself up as Kim jong-il has i north Korea. He was to be worshiped as a deity (not very atheistic in my opinion).
@Roc099 Thanks for the reply. However the number of deaths supposedly killed by theists is absurd. The logic that arrives at that number is equal to a post below that said in error. "Hitler and Stalin had facial hari and they were mass murders so therefore all people with facial hair must be mass murders." It is ok to question the logic at those who just blindly say "God does not exist," and yes--contrary to Ayn Rand (Alicia Rosenbaum) you must prove your negative.
@streetcornerprophet Unfortunately the burden of proof lies on you, you make the claim god exists, prove it. Until you can give actual demonstrable evidence that it does, then you have no plat form to stand on. Can i also assume you believe in pixies and unicorns? Your claim does not get a special pass, as does any claim. "Darwinism" does not lead to mass murder, just as beards, just as theism does not lead to a better society. Google "teapot atheist body count" for info on the number.
@Roc099 The human body has enough veins/arteries to wrap around the word twice. The brain has billions of neurons working in complete unision with a body that is in step. In one second of your life there are a over a billion processes at work in your body and you believe it a result of random chance. The same goes for the entire world and universe. To believe that nothing created everything is much worse than believing in 'pixies and unicorns.' You need to put Dawkins down and come up for air.
@streetcornerprophet Complexity isn't evidence of a deity, it's not evidence of anything other than complexity. I don't believe that nothing created everything, because I don't think we were created. Our existence isn't evidence of anything but our own existence. You need to put your ray comfort down and come up for air.
@Roc099 Complexity that is beyond anything a human being can even comprehend: There are over a trillion processes that are working simultaneously and in unision in your body every second of your life. Natural selection is the guide? How does it guide? It must have a mind and if so how is it at work. The word complexity does not even come close to describing life--it is nothing short of miraculous. Your issue is not one of an intellect getting in your way. Youwant freedom apart from God.
@streetcornerprophet natural selection guides by eliminating bad mutations, organisms survive if they work well with the environment, and die out if they don't. good genes are passed on, bad ones disappear. that's natural selection and random mutation working together to fuel evolution. Just because you can't comprehend biology or probability, doesn't mean the rest of us can't. Your argument and reasoning are full of bias, presuppositions, and straw men.
@Roc099 Do you hear yourself: Natural selection guides....By what mind is it being guided? How does it eliminate unless it decided to interfere? You are making the case that life is guided by a mindless random basis? Does a kidney decide to become a liver? Why not? If what you are saying is true then your body could sprout an eye in the middle of its forehead just because it was random. Your idea that nothing somehow gave birth to life and exploded into the know universe is also a presupposition
@streetcornerprophet not at all, we have the evidence to support evolution, fossils, vestigial organs, DNA, etc. It is not a presupposition, because we have evidence for it. Your presupposition is that Something needs a mind in order to guide it. That there HAS to be something pulling the strings, otherwise your entire argument wouldn't work. You view life through that bias, I don't, and that's why biology actually makes sense to me. I suggest reading a biology book, and not making straw men.
@Roc099 Let me give you a quote by Niles Eldrige. A former curator of the Field Museum of Natural History in Chicago. N. Eldrige and Stephen Gould from Harvard invented the theory of punctuated equilibrium to explain the gaps in the fossil record. He said: I will no longer debate a creationist because they usually win. If we are as stupid as you say we are-have Dawkins debate a creationist and shut us up once and for all. Then you will have won: then peace and harmony will rule like in N. Korea
@streetcornerprophet wow, a appeal to authority and quote mining, this is your evidence to support your side? Your entire argument has been nothing but conjecture, you have NO evidence to support your claims. I asked for demonstrable evidence, you gave conjecture. I asked if your argument works on anything else, you tried to justify it, with conjecture. You look at life through a bias, which means everything you see is skewed. please look up aronra's foundational falsehoods of creationism.
@bryan12294 bryan, while i might disagree with you never believe for a second that disagreement is hate. we can disagree and still chill out and play call of duty or go to the beach and attempt to catch a great white with our bare hands. actually i prefer to lasso crocks in the northern part if australia but i have to get there first.. take care my friend, lenny
@Ajapam34 Respectfully disagree: What part of Pol Pot killing 2.5 million of his own countrymen is not fact? Pol-Pot went after Buddisim and Mao praised him for turning Cambodia into a slave state over night. Stalin and Mao hated religon and were dedicated to removing it from public and private life by all means. The 60 million souls who perished under Mao were killed for what? Lenin and Stalin killed for what? All of those men were admitted social Darwinists. So where did the vid get it wrong?
@streetcornerprophet whether Hitler/Stalin/Mao were atheist isn't the point. The many god-fearing soldiers under their command preformed the atrocities. Madmen have no power of their own, sovereignty is granted by the people, and the levers of gas chambers pulled by god fearing men. while the leaders were deplorable human beings, they never could have preformed said massacres themselves. as far as religions of these me goes, i grant you stalin, hitler was a catholic (mein kampf ch.2) cont
@Roc099 In the case of communist nations the people did not willingly give power. Marx endorsed lies and any other mechanisim possible to get power. In the case of Russia, China, Cuba, N, Korea the populace did not give the power willingly. It took war to establish those governments. Also, God fearing men did not pull the levers in death camps: Both branches of the SS took oaths that specifically rejected Christianity. You cannot divorce indifference and its implications from atheisim.
@streetcornerprophet I said god fearing, not christian. Men who believe in any god at all, whether your specific version of the christian god, another version, or a deity not eve of the christian faith or more likely to commit crimes, our prison population shows this, "atheist nations" have lower crime rates as well. Unfortunately for you, Christians are theists, and theists have preformed far more atrocities than atheists. just ask the 2,229,074,100 people theism has killed.
Atheism is not a lack of religion. Budhists are atheists mostly and they're religious.
Still atheism is not a religion. Only if you'd consider believing there is a god on its own a religion atheism would be a religion but you'd not be speaking English anymore either.
@Quintinohthree I disagree. The first thing you learn in philosophy 101 is when you speculate on the existance of non-existance of God you are entering metaphysics. When you say that you believe there is not God you are basically saying you have infinite knowledge that there is no other being in the universe with infinite knowledge. Dawkins in his own words will grant that aliens could have spread their bacteria in the earths soil to get life started... He meant it.
"When you say that you believe there is not God you are basically saying you have infinite knowledge"
No, that only applies to gnostic atheism which not only does not accept that there is a god but even claims knowledge of this being the only correct stance in all possible circumstances. I reject gnosticism.
And if you were correct, how would atheism be a religion?
Finally, why does a god need omniscience. Apollo didn't need it, he's still as divine.
@Quintinohthree Atheism is a religous posture since it speculates on the non-existance of God. It is impossible to say otherwise. Every great philosopher has acknowledged that positions on God--either for or against, walks directly into metaphysics. That is the 'scientific' word for religon and yes when a person says God does not exist they are making the claim--by default-- that they possess infinite knowledge that there is no other being in the universe that has infinite knowledge.
Atheism is nothing more than not accepting the existence of any god. Religion is a system of shared practices and beliefs regarding the supernatural. First get your definitions right.
I know that "there is no god" is an indefensible claim so I don't make it. I don't make the claim "there is a god" either because it is still indefensible or does not appear defensible to me.
@Quintinohthree I know that "there is no god" is an indefensible claim so I don't make it.--FINALLY GOD DOES NOT EXIST? What is that? Second, you skirted the issue about the term religon: Metaphysics is a scientic word for religon pure and simple. The moment you stray into claims about God--you are making a religous claim. Last, disagreement is not hate. I think this issue and what stems form it is of utmost importance. Naturalisim does nothing but fragment the soul-it only breeds sadness.
Knowing that "there is no god" is an indefensible claim I can still say that this specific god described in the bible does not exist. That's what I'm getting at.
Secondly, if you want to make your own definition of "religion", fine but still one religious claim does not a religion make.
Finally, what hate are we even talking about? What naturalism? What is a soul?
I may be a naturalist but an atheist isn't always a naturalist. I'm not sad either, anything but, generally.
@Quintinohthree Thanks for the reply. First, I have not made up a new definition of religon. Metaphysics by definition is the study into the nature of untimate reality. That includes any discussion of God; even David Hume or Berrtand Russel would grant that point. However, I would differ with you on the God of the Bible: I take one look at the Human body and the perfection of the universe and I do not see a random collection of molecules. I also consider good in life not only the evil. (cont)
@Quintinohthree (from reply below) but the good as well. Do I say I followed this like a trail of bread crumbs to the Lord? NO. I came to Christ because I was told about the Cross and the fact that I mattered so much to a God who hates evil will judge the world in the near future and the way out of this reckoning with evil in this planet is to accept the sacrifice of Christ on the cross for the payment of MY sins. Keep your options open. Noting personal but what if you are wrong? Take care. SP
"I have not made up a new definition of relig[i]on."
Then you must agree that atheism is not a religion.
"I would differ with you on the God of the Bible:"
Malachi 3:6 says God doesn't change; Genesis 1:31 says God was pleased; Genesis 6:6 says God was displeased; God changed from Genesis 1:31 to 6:6 therefore the god described in the bible does not exist.
What you say after that is just as much evidence for the Flying Spaghetti Monster.
As you say you chose to be a Christian because it's the religion that most appealed to you. Christianity doesn't appeal to me at all so the only way you're going to convert me is by proving it.
"Noting personal but what if you are wrong?"
What we have here is an example of Pascal's Wager, an argument for agnostic theism which was refuted before the French Revolution.
My own refutation revolves around the question "What if you're wrong too?"
@Quintinohthree You can say all you want Atheisim is not a religon: However, you must flush the entire discipline of philosophy in the process. As for being wrong, I am honest with myself: I will let the Apostle Paul speak for me. If there is no resurrection, let us eat and drink for tomorrow we die. Your body has billions of process at work simultaniously and in complete perfection. To believe all of this is a roll of the cosmic dice is a much worse than believing in a spaghetti monster.
Even if atheism were disproven it would still not be a religion, it would be an isolated false belief.
"To believe all of this is a roll of the cosmic dice"
We have science today. Biology, chemistry, physics and such. The theory of evolution, particle theory and the theory of gravity and such. We know why that all is even without a cosmic arranger. And more importantly, it proves your god just as much as the FSM so what good is it?
@Quintinohthree Einstein did not accept that logic and-he is the one that said: "God does not play dice." He would have scoffed at the tactics and logic of the new atheist. Modern atheisim is crafted for the sound bite. The maxim "you are never called on to prove a negative" is a new development in the Academy; it lets one off of the hook in having to debate a peer of their equal. It is a page from Marx: You do not debate your opposition--you shut them up. Ad hominem is the weapon of choice.
Yep, that's an appeal to authority, a logical fallacy. Is that supposed to be your "weapon of choice"?
Answer to yourself, how can divine arbitration be distinguished from natural randomness? It is not order as even order can arise through processes fuelled by randomness, like evolution.
We already agree that a negative can't be proven. However the positive can't be proven. It is the duty of the claimant to prove his/her claim and make the other believe.
"It is a page from Marx: You do not debate your opposition--you shut them up."
Sure, I'm a moderate socialist but obviously I don't agree with everything Marx wrote or said. This is among the many things I think he was wrong in. In fact, I can recognise a religionist tactic in this which I simply despise.
"Ad hominem is the weapon of choice."
I did not use it in this conversation. I think you should take the time to think why you encounter so much frustration.
@Quintinohthree I do not think men like Einstein, DeCarte, Hume, Hegel and even Kant were fools or simpletons. The logic put forth by today's new atheists would have been laughed out of the room by these men and these men were not Christians. As for diving arbitration and natural randomness? I just say this: Whence cometh hydgrogen? A body with trillions of processes working in unision every second.. Life did not come from nothing. Even natural selection has a mind to select. I choose God.
"I do not think men like...were fools or simpletons."
Neither do I, but to conclude from the amount of truth that they have spoken or written that they have only spoken or written truth is simply a logical fallacy. When words have a different value when the bloke on the corner speaks them without acknowledging the author, they are of no objective value at all.
"Whence cometh hydgrogen?"
First law of thermodynamics. Read, understand, refute.
@Quintinohthree You are smart but wrong: Natural selection must have a grand scheme or it falls apart. It is not even logical to think that without being guided, trillions of cells in the body could act in complete unison. How can you say the mind of the organisims are acting own their own when we are only scratching the surface on what is inside cells. Can we see their mind? How do they know they are linked to a greater sphere? Acknowleging a creator is not simplistic. This was a good thread.
"It is not even logical to think that without being guided, trillions of cells in the body could act in complete unison."
Maybe you can't understand it, I can. If every process was added in sequence over billions of years it wouldn't have mattered how complex it ended. Every mile begins with a millimeter.
You cant reason with a religious person. This is the same with the communist state. These people instead of hiding behind god they hide behind their government. An athiest can be reasoned with to stop because they use reason to answer all things.It is true that communism isnt a religous state but also true that America isnt either. We have the freedom to practice religion while they dont is the point.
atheism/agnostics are the only structure which brings the civilisation forth. please note: socialists/communists are no real atheists, they are neo-christian fundamentalists and thus religioes. they are a separation from the usual christian structures but NOT real atheists.
most wars, most dictationships on earth are from religioes fundamentalists: socialists/communists, islam etc.
This is a poor argument against Atheism because it is easy to say that communism is not Atheism but just another ideology. Other Religions exist besides Christianity.
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Inca un prost care are impresia ca legio-labanarii nu au fost persecutati din motive politice, ci religioase. Un prost care confunda doctrina socială, politică şi economică constituită pe principiul abolirii proprietăţii private şi al instaurării proprietăţii colective cu concepție materialistă care respinge religia, credința în supranatural și existența oricărei divinități, a miracolelor și a vieții de apoi
TheThordir 1 month ago
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Inca un prost care are impresia ca legio-labanarii nu au fost persecutati din motive politice, ci religioase. Un prost care confunda doctrina socială, politică şi economică constituită pe principiul abolirii proprietăţii private şi al instaurării proprietăţii colective cu concepție materialistă care respinge religia, credința în supranatural și existența oricărei divinități, a miracolelor și a vieții de apoi
TheThordir 1 month ago
Inca un prost care are impresia ca legio-labanarii nu au fost persecutati din motive politice, ci religioase. Un prost care confunda doctrina socială, politică şi economică constituită pe principiul abolirii proprietăţii private şi al instaurării proprietăţii colective cu concepție materialistă care respinge religia, credința în supranatural și existența oricărei divinități, a miracolelor și a vieții de apoi.
TheThordir 1 month ago
Meanwhile, in reality...
Tzootzy 1 month ago
Fail
What did I expect from a stupid retard? -.-
XxBlackWatchxX 1 month ago
So what I get is that you can't tell the difference between stalinism and communism, let alone the difference between atheism and stalinism.
MichaelLV99 1 month ago
hey so fucktard atheism actually is not a religion because it doesnt involve any sort of worship or deity just as buddhism is not a religion because it doesnt involve the worship of a deity although many monks will make buddha look like a god but hes actually not and there are many other fuck ups in this video but rather than stating them i will simply say 1 thing learn what your critiqueing before you critique it because otherwise you just look like an ass which you do sooooo yeah
sev0579 1 month ago
This video fails miserably on so many lavels!!!
loupgorou 2 months ago
I dont think atheism is religion of hate. But Anti-Theism sure the hell is. Im Agnostic and i get sick of people like Dick Dawkins talking about taking some people children away because there religious. Or Sam Harris thinking it might be o.k. to kill somebody for there beliefs. The one thing i hate the most is assholes. when it comes to being the biggest assholes in the universe. Anti-Theist take the damn cake.Asking them show some respect and decency. Is like asking a piranha to not to eat you.
Lone432345 2 months ago
Pretty sickening that you'd use someone else's suffering under Communism to promote your ideas that Atheists are evil. Using somebody like that is wrong. What any Communist Atheists might have done doesn't make Atheism evil. It makes the power-hungry brainwashers bad people. The idea of Atheism doesn't promote hurting people, simply that there is no God. Atheism didn't drive these people to do crimes, their own greed did.
LastBitofCommonSense 2 months ago
@LastBitofCommonSense What is your philosophical foundation to say that there is "bad people" in the first place? "bad"? You talk as if it had objective value...
"crime"? The mass murder was legalized in many countries. Pretty ethical.
"simply that THERE IS NO God"
This is positive atheism - matter of faith (most atheists disagree with your statement).
colecionar 1 month ago
@colecionar Typically, good people don't mass murder. You might never have met somebody who was truly evil (there're aren't many), but it exists. It's the results that these "bad people" have on others that makes it objective. Commiting genocide is bad. Might be hard for you to believe, but yes, murderers are not good people. And crime transcends law. Needlessly causing harm is a crime. And why would most Atheists disagree that there is negativity in the world? Where do you get that from?
LastBitofCommonSense 1 month ago
And atheism =/=communism
GeneralCalculus 2 months ago
But I am atheist and I love you... :(
GeneralCalculus 2 months ago
Funny how atheism is the only stance that holds all people equal, no chosen people, no people deserving of hell, just people. Bad video, bad information, must be from a theist.
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@proofandevidence "Funny how atheism is the only stance that holds all people equal"
Atheism is not an ideology...
colecionar 1 month ago
This video promotes misinformation: atheism is not communism; atheism is not a religion; nihilism and atheism are not mutually exclusive; if Karl Marx was a Satanist Jew, like you claim, he could NOT have been an atheist. The word 'atheist' was actually originally applied to CHRISTIANS in the Roman Empire, those that did not believe in the Roman gods. All it means now is having belief in no gods, for example, none of you believe in Thor or Odin, therefore you are atheistic towards them.
BlackSabbath86 2 months ago
Funny, christians and religious people are closer to satanism than atheism. They actually believe in a "devil"
idoobTUBE 2 months ago
because the crusades had nothing to do with god, oh wait
Nixom1334 2 months ago
If you believe in evolution, then the first human to walk upright was an atheist. He had no idea what the word God meant, much less was he worried about worshiping him.He had far more important things on his mind, as should you. If you don't believe in evolution, than you have made my point for me.
NavarCrowbarr 4 months ago
how can an atheist be a satanist!?! that's like claiming that a triangle is a circle. those that believe in the unverifiable as fact don't even know how to think.
hoosiergambler 4 months ago
'The parent of the atheism dogma was a satanist jew called Karl Marx."
what is atheist dogma!?! there are no dogmas in the position of "i don't believe you when you claim there is a god(s)." marx is hardly the 'parent' of atheist dogma (atheist dogma is a figment of the imagination, kinda like god), there have been people not believing that unverifiable claim for all of history!
hoosiergambler 4 months ago
the first picture: it says communism not atheism lol but im sure you dont even get this one
"If atheism from definition is not anti-christian why it is manifesting this way.
Nihilism is a conception which affirms there is no Truth, so nihilism is irrational."
yes, IF..but atheism is the rejection of arguments for the existence of a god. Thats it. It has no agenda that you wanted to suggest. Its not anti- theism
this video made my day haha better than comedy central
Serpico261 4 months ago
And another coward christian who doesn't allow rating of his videos. XD
PS: Hitler was a christian, he was acting in the name of god and the vast majority of Germans were faithful christians at that point. DANG!
There is not much of a difference between a theocracy and a political system that tries to sell the leader and the ideology as god/religion.
Secular, pretty atheist Europe has lower homicide, rape, teen preg, abortion, STD and drug abuse rates than the USA: ^_^
Trampadoo 4 months ago
@Trampadoo but to be fair, hitler did not followed the example of christ, i mean he said that he was a christian, after all it was a christian nation that he ruled. But there are documents that let him say something hatefull against christianity, its presented by dawkins in his book the god delusion.
i dont see any substance in the claim that he was a christian, chirstians have a point when they say "no he was not a christian". I could understand if he was a muslim,in fact islam and nazism work
Serpico261 4 months ago
@Serpico261: I agree, what christian does actually follow the example of christ anyway? So many Americans calling themselves true christians and you won't probably find a handfull who actually give away all of their money and posessions to the poor. The history of christianity and other religions is basically that of people picking what they like and then run with it, be it actually benefical to others or just plain hateful.
Trampadoo 4 months ago
@Trampadoo yes ur right, the book reffers to table talks in which hitler was surounded by "private" companions. I had no idea that the notes were controversial, didnt hear about fake quotes. I think dawkins say frequently that hitler was a christian, because if you do so, then christians who stress the atheism of stalin, get their own argument back. Because its the exact same argument. Stalin called himself an atheist,well ok....but hilter called himself a christian! so they see whats wrong here
Serpico261 4 months ago
@Serpico261: Thank you for the info! If the quotes are clearly anti-christian and not just anti-catholic chances are high those are the two fake quotes. They occasionally pop up on christian sites and sometimes even rather neutral sites. It's a case of Chinese Whispers so to speak. The anti-christian quotes are nowhere to be found in the German transcripts, they simply don't exist. They pop up in the French translation on which the English translation from the 80s is based on.
Trampadoo 4 months ago
@Serpico261: So Dawkins might have actually used those quotes, unkowing they were fake because the English version was not officially corrected. So in reality those who argue Hitler was anti-christian really don't have anything they can work with. Good point Dawkins made there, though. It's funny how particularly in English speaking countries Hilter is put into the atheist box with full conviction even though his work is stuffed with religious themes that couldn't be less atheist.
Trampadoo 4 months ago
@Serpico261: I have not read Dawkins book but I would be careful about a particular two quotes from the 'table talks' written down by Bohrmann. The English version is based on a French translation of the German transcripts and the French translator, who also faked Hitler's last will (as he later admitted) added the two clear anti-christian quotes that are usually referred to as "prove" that Hitler was not a Christian in English texts. So I don't know if Dawkins used the fake quotes as well.
Trampadoo 4 months ago
@Serpico261: The English translator who later learned the two quotes had been added never clearified their mistake so it won't really be Dawkins fault if he had used them since he had no reason to suspect the translatiosn was inaccurate.
The only way we could actually claim Hitler was not a christian would be by saying that he was doing evil stuff. But being a christian has nothing to do with being a good person or actually following the couple of good things Jesus was assumed to have said.
Trampadoo 4 months ago
@Serpico261. That would leave us with pretty much no christians at all.
Haha, Islam right now might have suited him but to be honest, the radical christianity he wanted had been a reality only 100 years and then backwards ago.
Trampadoo 4 months ago
@Trampadoo of course its only a constructivistic opinion and impression from me, but i experience christianity often very secular. its hard for me to imagine that a christian that nknows the bible and follows jesus as a role model for life could in any way accept mass murder or propaganda against jews. It seems so odd. I have not read the bible so i can only judge from how i experience christianity here and in the media. The reason why germans could allow the holocaust lies also in human nature
Serpico261 4 months ago
@Serpico261: The problem is that the bible is so utterly self-contradicting and can cater to any kind of human character and agenda I guess. Christians readily accepted wars and torture and other horrible things in the name of Jesus, you can so easly ignore the parts that contradict your plans and view and just focus, say, in Hitler's case on the powerful, angry, Jew-opposing Jesus.
Trampadoo 4 months ago
@Trampadoo Thank you for the info!
Serpico261 4 months ago
...and Jesus was a political terrorist.
AmosTheTalented 5 months ago
Yeah...Karl Marx was a Christian turned Satanist. He willingly turned to Satan and wanted to bring people to hell along with himself according to a poem he wrote. I feel he used atheism as a device to turn people from God.
KatarraParson 5 months ago
what a load of propaganda nonsense. Communism has nothing to do with what atheism is about. There is christian communism too. Communism is a sociopolitical and economic system. The fact that the corrupted versions used by Stalin and Mao adopted a forced atheism, for the SOLE purpose of having absolute power, has nothing to do with atheism, anymore than if they outlawed hair, would mean all bald people in the world are evil. Read a history book.
AMomentOfClarity2011 5 months ago
what a load of propaganda nonsense. Communism has nothing to do with what atheism is about. There is christian communism too. Communism is a sociopolitical and economic system. The fact that the corrupted versions used by Stalin and Mao adopted a forced atheism, for the SOLE purpose of having absolute power, has nothing to do with atheism, anymore than if they outlawed hair, would mean all bald people in the world are evil. Read a history book.
AMomentOfClarity2011 5 months ago
Last time I checked there were a bunch of religious wars in which many people died. A lot of those people died at the hands of the Catholic Crusaders who "fought" (aka killed) in the name of God. There was also the Spanish Inquisition in which many people were horribly tortured for not believing in or going against the Catholic God. neolegionar, don't generalize all people of the stem of a belief system with the horrible people in throughout history. ........Hypocrite
carllito12 5 months ago
Aren't those photos at the beginning from that Roman Catholic's little attempt at genocide?
calmreason 5 months ago
If atheism WAS a religion, it would be the religion of truth.
Blasfuhmee 5 months ago
religion is a belief system. atheism is lack of belief in gods. it is not a religion. atheists may have different political and social views, but they use logic to make their opinions and to form their moral values. Religious folks' opinions and values are usualy influenced by their superstitions.
rebelde69ateo 5 months ago
@rebelde69ateo you still cant prove religion is a superstition.
staplehead3 5 months ago
@rebelde69ateo you still cant prove religion is a superstition
staplehead3 5 months ago
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@staplehead3 YOU cant prove that it isn't
athiestoftheweek 5 months ago
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athiestoftheweek 5 months ago
Atheism = religion, no
Atheism has a history of hate, sure, as all dirty theist religions do.
Atheists do have morals. (Religion does not support morals, intelligence does)
Theism denies--
Natural Law:
Life, Liberty and Estate. (Liberty and estate cannot conflict with life)
Religious Law:
Deny liberty (sometimes life and estate)
Religion promotes discrimination and hate.
You can imagine why people are angry with religion.
Bourtini 6 months ago
It is as stupid as if I would hold you responsible for terrorists flying plains into skyscrapers because you are a theist. Even if you don´t share any values with those who did this. Or be paranoid and think you might burn "witches" and kill "blasphemers" or start wars in the name of your god. Because Christians did this in the dark ages. Just grow up. Get to learn some atheist and act like a decent human being.
katnils 6 months ago
The moral values are connected to lots of things like upbringing and the culture your brought up in. This is like talking to a child. This video is really below the level of a grown up human.
Educate yourself. Atheists are less represented in prisons than in populations. The more atheists living in a country the more peaceful the country is. Now there you don´t have to be ignorant, paranoid and spread lies about what atheism means anymore.
katnils 6 months ago
Atheism is a lack of belief in gods. Period. That is all that all atheists share with all other atheists.There are no atheistic dogmas. Atheists have moral values like all human beings, except for psychopaths of course (which is neither connected to atheism or theism), but the values are not connected to atheism, since no atheist values or dogmas exist.
katnils 6 months ago
Now if you wanted to be a dictator wouldn´t you use the fact that people in the country were religious and used to do as religious authorities told them? Of course communists also used this to their advantage, as all other dictators have done, and they organized their regimes to work as state religions. It was a well tried concept.
katnils 6 months ago
I hope you are extremely childish, ignorant and paranoid. And don´t just like to slander people who consider totalitarian communism, and all other totalitarian regimes including theocracies, to be just as horrible as you do.
Totalitarian communism is a state religion. Cults built around persons, no one is allowed to question dogmas and leaders. Just like in a totalitarian theocracy.
katnils 6 months ago
You cant blame sovjet Russia on marx morons, because Sovjet Russia was nothing LIKE the society that Marx theories.
gulbirk 7 months ago
Karl Marx was psychologically disturbed narcissistic monster, who happened to be an Atheist. He wasn't a psychologically disturbed narcissistic monster because he was an atheist.
Bright1592 7 months ago
You are just the same as the Communist extremists.
FrankSpijker 7 months ago
I am VERY scared about people which such extreme ideas like you. They're sometimes capable to do anything to convince another group that your religion or idea is the best idea. A man with the also extreme ideas did somethingf horrible in Norway last week.
FrankSpijker 7 months ago
yes communism worked out wrong (it had good intentions) but the religion doesn't had good intentions it wants to get a powerful group and is full of hate. By the way most atheist are very liberal not that I am such a liberal but just to tell you that's the opposite.
FrankSpijker 7 months ago
LoL..... Russian communists happened to be atheist just like suicide bombers happen to be religious. So, using the amazing reasoning skills of the imbecile who did the video, we can clearly conclude that all religious people like to kill children in suicide bombings.
0299792458 7 months ago
Communism is not atheism. Read a book.
Xenophile665 7 months ago
@Xenophile665 --But Communism has always been atheistic.
GraveyardGhost559 7 months ago
@GraveyardGhost559 Wrong. Read the book of Acts, chapter 2, especially verses 44 & 45. That is communal living, i.e., communism. (Not Leninist or Stalinist, but communism nonetheless).
Xenophile665 7 months ago
@GraveyardGhost559 thats because communism was about following the government. people would have chosen religion over the government, so they outlaw religion. however, that fact that communists were atheists doesnt mean people get to compare them to modern atheists, who use reason and logic to dismiss religion rather that greed and desire for power.
UnstableNinja 7 months ago
@UnstableNinja ---Commies used "reason and logic" as well.
GraveyardGhost559 7 months ago
@GraveyardGhost559 and yet everyone(including other atheists) agrees that communism was bad. the atheism i am defending is the same type that is spreading over europe, america, and the rest of the world. using logic and reason to find solutions and get along with your fellow man. its not trying to control anyone or make them believe something, it is trying to let people open their minds and think for themselves. if you cant see the difference between that and communism, i feel sorry for you.
UnstableNinja 7 months ago
@UnstableNinja I don't agree that Communism was bad it was executed bad but it had very good intentions.
FrankSpijker 7 months ago
@FrankSpijker i agree. its is a common mistake that i should have avoided. communism is just a system, and it was the people who ran it that made it bad. i cant say the "communism killed people", i can only say that people were killed by the government under a communist system. the system itself, as you said, was made with the intent of helping people, even if it was used to basically genocide people.
UnstableNinja 7 months ago
@UnstableNinja That makes us think the same.:)
FrankSpijker 7 months ago
just for the record, everything that Hitler did was because of religion, ok, just keep that in mind
cards4izzy1 7 months ago
Atheism is not a religion, but the lack of one.
communism is political, not religious and there not connected to theist or atheist.
if karl marx was a jew, he wasn't a atheist because he was a theist.
and there is no truth is just the start of nihilism and is it rational. it means there is no absolute truth but that everyone has his own truth
jakiedark 8 months ago
This video is ridiculous, but so are half of the comments that are suggesting as if all of us Christians are evil.
CosmicGrounds 8 months ago
@CosmicGrounds
They arn't evil, however they are majorly misinformed and their faith has caused far more problems than it solves and still does. It is harmful to them and to society. They arnt evil. I dont hate their religion because I want to harm them, I hate it because I want to help them
MrWaterlionmonkey 8 months ago
@MrWaterlionmonkey Eh. I retract my statement. The more I study the scriptures and looking at everything from a Christian view I can see that the atheism is wicked and causes problems.
CosmicGrounds 8 months ago
@CosmicGrounds
Thats a damn shame. You were in the sensible position and now youve moved to the ignorant path all because a dusty old book says so. How about I follow a faith that says all bald people are evil and will be tortured for eternity and we must stay away from them? It has every bit as much justification as your reviesed point of view. And is every bit as illogical and prejudice
MrWaterlionmonkey 8 months ago
@CosmicGrounds
May I ask you a question? How do you know your bible was written by God and the Koran, Greek myth texts, book of Mormon, the sihk holly book, the Edas or the Vedas wernt? And in some of those you are prejudged as an evil person who causes problems. They are also completly incompatable and are as impossible to disprove as your book, are you willing to believe them just based on the fact that they exist, like you are for your book?
MrWaterlionmonkey 8 months ago
@CosmicGrounds
The fact that you have just prejuded me and have no tangable basis for it very much offendens me. So I am wicked yet Moses, Joshua, David and Solomon arnt? Out of the all of us im the only one who hasnt destroyed whole cities and slaughtered babies and animals all because I had a feeling God wanted that. Even if he did as your bible says, then your God is a piece of work. So how dare you
MrWaterlionmonkey 8 months ago
you're confusing Atheism with the communist agenda. They're not related at all. If you want to see hate filled mentality check out the Christian history ... Its full of hate and violence and injustice aimed towards humanity.
santamariacafe411 8 months ago
Christiaity has killed more people than any regime, emepror, coup, or war ... and Atheism is bad ? The christianity fairy tale is far worse
santamariacafe411 8 months ago
@santamariacafe411 Hm. I see your bigotry doesn't separate you from the bigots you talk about either.
CosmicGrounds 8 months ago
if you think that by being atheist you are also a communist then you are wrong.
Atheist = disbelief in a deity (god). It is not a religion no a politic party.
ZZzzzzzWhat 8 months ago
Wow wasn't Hitler who killed the Slavs and the Jews in the name of Christianity.
Wasn't it the Crusaders who sacked Constantinople and raided Muslim lands in the name of Christianity.
Wasn't the KKK who lynched African-Americans in the name of God
Wasn't the American Government who killed over 50 million native americans in the name of the manifest destiny
mexicanvicking 9 months ago
@mexicanvicking
Actually no. Go get an education.
Hitler did this in the name fascism and slaughtered Jews, handicapped and mentally ill in the name of your god Darwin.
Atheism slaughtered over 140,000,000 people in the 20th century alone - get a life.
lordsong7 9 months ago
@lordsong7 Not true. Darwin is not my god, but thank you for trying. Maybe someone else in this conversation needs to be educated. *points at you* :3
No one has been killed in the name of atheism. For all atheists are different and have different views. There is only one thing all atheists have in common. Not believing in a god. Thank you for your time. You have a nice day.
ThisKidTom 9 months ago
@ThisKidTom
Sorry but you're ignorance is appalling.
The statistics of deaths by atheists regimes are all pointing at you - in yer face
But hey yer just another deaf, blind & "dumb" atheist. So, I didn't expect any intelligent responses anyway.
lordsong7 9 months ago
@lordsong7 I can see you are a Christian. How come if "God" is so loving,knowing, and powerful He allowed these regimes. Also how come in the bible it said the world only existed for only 12,000 years. And more people die in religious regimes such as the Nazi Regime which killed Jews, Communists, Slavs, Gypsies because Hitler thought them as being not worthy to be in gods presence. And how come every religion with an exception of Buddhism is forced on the people.
mexicanvicking 9 months ago
@mexicanvicking
Sorry but ur indeed lost -& ignorant of facts
A better question for u; If God is so loving why does he allow atheists to exist with such hatred of him?
Why does he let evil 1s like u to hate him & loathe religion, as though u actually understood any of it?
Nazis religious? ROTFLMAO
Indeed, they were very religious Darwinist materialists, whose next target was Christians -see Nuremberg docs
Religion forced on us? Which 1 is forced on u?
Oh, none
Maybe Islam will end that for u
lordsong7 9 months ago
@lordsong7 You are clearly stupid. I'm an atheist because everything in the bible doesn't make any sense example Moses builds a giant ship by himself and his sons and it holds every animal on earth. How can you find that believable?
mexicanvicking 9 months ago
@mexicanvicking
But we dont believe that. Actually Noah built that giant ship. :)
neolegionar 9 months ago
@neolegionar oops my bad
mexicanvicking 9 months ago
@mexicanvicking
awesomenize1 9 months ago in playlist false
@mexicanvicking of course bible doesent makes sense to you , moses build nothing , it was someone else , but dont bother , with that !
zexeru 8 months ago
@lordsong7
It really doesnt matter if the Nazi government was not christian. They used christian reasons and christian brain washing to get european christians to kill individuals that theyre ansetors had been killing as enemiess of the faith. Most germans wouldn't know what the hell any of the other stuff meant. Also even if their next target was christianity there is no proof what so ever that they would have suceeded in doing it as alot of the army and country were strong Christians
MrWaterlionmonkey 8 months ago
@lordsong7 I cant blame you for worshiping a Zombie Cosmic Jew and eating his flesh to relieve of your sins you were just thought at a religious school with biased opinions a pedophilia priests
mexicanvicking 9 months ago
@lordsong7 Way to insult me while I am nothing but nice to you. Is that what Jesus would do? It's very Christian of you to insult others while putting yourself on that "holier than thou" pedestal.
There have not been many atheist regimes. Hitler was not an atheist and made frequent references to believing in a god in Mein Kampf. The atheist regime i can think of is maybe Stalin, but I don't know much about him. See what I did there? I admitted to what I don't know. Not made shit up like you.
ThisKidTom 9 months ago
@ThisKidTom
Nothing but nice? ya right.
Atheists minds are on hold
They never pay attention until you tell them the truth about themselves. i.e. in your minds "insults" which r in fact just facts
judging solely by ur false answers and politically correct views its easy enuff to see
Not been many atheist regimes? Thank God! 1 is too many
Atheist regimes have slaughtered over 100 million in less than 1 century
u still fail to answer questions
Now, prove that I made up "shit"
lordsong7 9 months ago
@lordsong7
You make the assumption that atheism motivated the brutality of 'atheistic' regimes. The soviet regime was 'atheistic' but it was not atheism that motivated the killing. It was stalinism, a political ideology.
Atheism does not automatically make you a nice or bad person. Nor does it mean you support a particular form of governance, morality, or brand of toothpaste.
atheism means you reject a certain set of claims - nothing more.
adler2adler 8 months ago
@adler2adler Agreed.
SycorTheosPhilos 8 months ago
@lordsong7
sorry to but in to this 1 month conversation, but
what on earth are you talking about?
Number 1. Athiesim is not an organised belief
Number 2. Communism is a political religion dedicated to the extermination of capitalism and all things that may feul it, and this in the hands of a once feudal, aggressive and easily lead populance is what made them so iggnorant and hateful. In which case they seem a hell of alot more like the people of your view point
MrWaterlionmonkey 8 months ago
@lordsong7
Number 3. If I was to play the tally game with you then youd have to deal with the thousands of years of sick divine inspired laws that have lead to bucket loads of death that cant be counted and continues to go on, thousands of years religiously impowered war and genocide, the retardasion of scientific achievement, and crime rates as the idea of divine forgivness and self revelation (temperary insanity fueled my faith) leave many offenders with a clear conscience, and much more
MrWaterlionmonkey 8 months ago
@lordsong7
Number 4. I do not like playing the dick measuring game of "your team killed more than my team". Im really tired of it as an arguement and it sickens me. It cheapens the needless sacriffices of the dead and deprived simply because your happy that the deaths were small by your standerds (a deaths a death and you have an air of responsibility for them by attaching your self to the faith that killed them), and seeing as im not a stalinist im not asociated to the crimes of communism
MrWaterlionmonkey 8 months ago
Iti recomand filmul Come and see
CommunisTavarish 9 months ago
notice that the Ratings have been disabled for this video. what a wanker
hawkertruffelsnout 10 months ago
This is as credible as posting Halocaust images and blaming the World Wars on Christianity. It is stupid and unproductive. Try using logical thought to form an argument, instead of this bs propaganda.
camhirtle 11 months ago
Communist doctrine sought the abolishment of religion.
State enforced Atheism to accomplish this is immoral.
The use of force to deny others freedom of religion when they are doing no harm to others is wrong and futile.
I think only force should be met with force.
ekpil2000 11 months ago
Go atheists, dont let them rest their heads or close their eyes, make them suffer and you know you'll go to...... hmmmm.
Be a good person because it's the right thing to do, not based on fear or the promise of virgins.
TommyGuitarful 11 months ago
This is the most ignorant video I've seen in a while.
benniquaid 11 months ago
Also, its impossible to be a Satanist-Jew, and if Marx was one of the two (that's racist beyond belief by the way), he wouldnt support atheist thought as well, because anyone who has a proper understanding of what religion is would know that satanism, Judaism, and atheism sharply contrast each other. this video is an embarrassment to your God, and I'm sure he would send you to hell over this just like he would send me there for not subscribing to his bullsh*t.
bryan12294 11 months ago
Last time I checked my thesaurus, atheism wasn't a synonym for communism. Nevermind the mass holocaust of the Jews influenced by Hitler's religious beliefs (Roman Catholic).
bryan12294 11 months ago
@bryan12294 I respectfully disagree: Hitler, by his own admission was a social Darwinist. In his own words, "Christianity is for the weak." Hitler hated Christianity as outlined in Mein Kampf. Neitzche was Hitlers favorite philospher and even gave a copy of Neitzche's work to Stalin before the war. Mein Kampf is packed with references to Darwin. Two days before his suicide, Hitler said that the Germans had proven themselves to be the weaker species against the slavs. Darwin, Darwin, Darwin....
streetcornerprophet 11 months ago
@streetcornerprophet Thank you for enlightening me on this matter. However, this video is still an uneducated insult to atheism (which, by the way, isn't a religion, and definitely doesn't endorse hate), and I hope you can see that as well.
bryan12294 11 months ago
@streetcornerprophet I have reason to think Mao was setting himself up as Kim jong-il has i north Korea. He was to be worshiped as a deity (not very atheistic in my opinion).
Roc099 11 months ago
@Roc099 Thanks for the reply. However the number of deaths supposedly killed by theists is absurd. The logic that arrives at that number is equal to a post below that said in error. "Hitler and Stalin had facial hari and they were mass murders so therefore all people with facial hair must be mass murders." It is ok to question the logic at those who just blindly say "God does not exist," and yes--contrary to Ayn Rand (Alicia Rosenbaum) you must prove your negative.
streetcornerprophet 11 months ago
@streetcornerprophet Unfortunately the burden of proof lies on you, you make the claim god exists, prove it. Until you can give actual demonstrable evidence that it does, then you have no plat form to stand on. Can i also assume you believe in pixies and unicorns? Your claim does not get a special pass, as does any claim. "Darwinism" does not lead to mass murder, just as beards, just as theism does not lead to a better society. Google "teapot atheist body count" for info on the number.
Roc099 11 months ago
@Roc099 The human body has enough veins/arteries to wrap around the word twice. The brain has billions of neurons working in complete unision with a body that is in step. In one second of your life there are a over a billion processes at work in your body and you believe it a result of random chance. The same goes for the entire world and universe. To believe that nothing created everything is much worse than believing in 'pixies and unicorns.' You need to put Dawkins down and come up for air.
streetcornerprophet 11 months ago
@streetcornerprophet Complexity isn't evidence of a deity, it's not evidence of anything other than complexity. I don't believe that nothing created everything, because I don't think we were created. Our existence isn't evidence of anything but our own existence. You need to put your ray comfort down and come up for air.
Roc099 11 months ago
@Roc099 Complexity that is beyond anything a human being can even comprehend: There are over a trillion processes that are working simultaneously and in unision in your body every second of your life. Natural selection is the guide? How does it guide? It must have a mind and if so how is it at work. The word complexity does not even come close to describing life--it is nothing short of miraculous. Your issue is not one of an intellect getting in your way. Youwant freedom apart from God.
streetcornerprophet 11 months ago
@streetcornerprophet natural selection guides by eliminating bad mutations, organisms survive if they work well with the environment, and die out if they don't. good genes are passed on, bad ones disappear. that's natural selection and random mutation working together to fuel evolution. Just because you can't comprehend biology or probability, doesn't mean the rest of us can't. Your argument and reasoning are full of bias, presuppositions, and straw men.
Roc099 11 months ago
@Roc099 Do you hear yourself: Natural selection guides....By what mind is it being guided? How does it eliminate unless it decided to interfere? You are making the case that life is guided by a mindless random basis? Does a kidney decide to become a liver? Why not? If what you are saying is true then your body could sprout an eye in the middle of its forehead just because it was random. Your idea that nothing somehow gave birth to life and exploded into the know universe is also a presupposition
streetcornerprophet 11 months ago
@streetcornerprophet not at all, we have the evidence to support evolution, fossils, vestigial organs, DNA, etc. It is not a presupposition, because we have evidence for it. Your presupposition is that Something needs a mind in order to guide it. That there HAS to be something pulling the strings, otherwise your entire argument wouldn't work. You view life through that bias, I don't, and that's why biology actually makes sense to me. I suggest reading a biology book, and not making straw men.
Roc099 11 months ago
@Roc099 Let me give you a quote by Niles Eldrige. A former curator of the Field Museum of Natural History in Chicago. N. Eldrige and Stephen Gould from Harvard invented the theory of punctuated equilibrium to explain the gaps in the fossil record. He said: I will no longer debate a creationist because they usually win. If we are as stupid as you say we are-have Dawkins debate a creationist and shut us up once and for all. Then you will have won: then peace and harmony will rule like in N. Korea
streetcornerprophet 11 months ago
@streetcornerprophet wow, a appeal to authority and quote mining, this is your evidence to support your side? Your entire argument has been nothing but conjecture, you have NO evidence to support your claims. I asked for demonstrable evidence, you gave conjecture. I asked if your argument works on anything else, you tried to justify it, with conjecture. You look at life through a bias, which means everything you see is skewed. please look up aronra's foundational falsehoods of creationism.
Roc099 11 months ago
@bryan12294 bryan, while i might disagree with you never believe for a second that disagreement is hate. we can disagree and still chill out and play call of duty or go to the beach and attempt to catch a great white with our bare hands. actually i prefer to lasso crocks in the northern part if australia but i have to get there first.. take care my friend, lenny
streetcornerprophet 11 months ago
The greatest crimes in mankind's History were committed by atheists; Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot- they kill their own people, tens of millions..........
RabinoBoricuaVirtual 11 months ago
This video is quite the failure. Learn your facts
Ajapam34 11 months ago
@Ajapam34 Respectfully disagree: What part of Pol Pot killing 2.5 million of his own countrymen is not fact? Pol-Pot went after Buddisim and Mao praised him for turning Cambodia into a slave state over night. Stalin and Mao hated religon and were dedicated to removing it from public and private life by all means. The 60 million souls who perished under Mao were killed for what? Lenin and Stalin killed for what? All of those men were admitted social Darwinists. So where did the vid get it wrong?
streetcornerprophet 11 months ago
@streetcornerprophet whether Hitler/Stalin/Mao were atheist isn't the point. The many god-fearing soldiers under their command preformed the atrocities. Madmen have no power of their own, sovereignty is granted by the people, and the levers of gas chambers pulled by god fearing men. while the leaders were deplorable human beings, they never could have preformed said massacres themselves. as far as religions of these me goes, i grant you stalin, hitler was a catholic (mein kampf ch.2) cont
Roc099 11 months ago
@Roc099 In the case of communist nations the people did not willingly give power. Marx endorsed lies and any other mechanisim possible to get power. In the case of Russia, China, Cuba, N, Korea the populace did not give the power willingly. It took war to establish those governments. Also, God fearing men did not pull the levers in death camps: Both branches of the SS took oaths that specifically rejected Christianity. You cannot divorce indifference and its implications from atheisim.
streetcornerprophet 11 months ago
@streetcornerprophet I said god fearing, not christian. Men who believe in any god at all, whether your specific version of the christian god, another version, or a deity not eve of the christian faith or more likely to commit crimes, our prison population shows this, "atheist nations" have lower crime rates as well. Unfortunately for you, Christians are theists, and theists have preformed far more atrocities than atheists. just ask the 2,229,074,100 people theism has killed.
Roc099 11 months ago
Those people are from my country. The communist president declared himself ATHEIST.
MrMedia34 1 year ago
Hitler and Stalin had mustaches, therefore, all people with mustaches are evil.
Your reasoning in a nutshell.
gamingsoul11 1 year ago
@gamingsoul11 Thats what Richard Dawkins said - at least give him credit..
Xen8 11 months ago
This has to be the most hilarious thing I have ever seen! xD
I would love to shake hands with the person who made this and thank them for improving the internet!
mrmikeeman2005 1 year ago
Not all atheists are communists and atheism is not a religion,it's a lack of religion.Dipshit!
rdvdgcsd 1 year ago
@rdvdgcsd
Atheism is not a lack of religion. Budhists are atheists mostly and they're religious.
Still atheism is not a religion. Only if you'd consider believing there is a god on its own a religion atheism would be a religion but you'd not be speaking English anymore either.
Quintinohthree 1 year ago
@Quintinohthree Lack in a belief in a god or gods (; my bad.But still,atheism isn't a religion.
rdvdgcsd 1 year ago
@Quintinohthree I disagree. The first thing you learn in philosophy 101 is when you speculate on the existance of non-existance of God you are entering metaphysics. When you say that you believe there is not God you are basically saying you have infinite knowledge that there is no other being in the universe with infinite knowledge. Dawkins in his own words will grant that aliens could have spread their bacteria in the earths soil to get life started... He meant it.
streetcornerprophet 11 months ago
@streetcornerprophet
"When you say that you believe there is not God you are basically saying you have infinite knowledge"
No, that only applies to gnostic atheism which not only does not accept that there is a god but even claims knowledge of this being the only correct stance in all possible circumstances. I reject gnosticism.
And if you were correct, how would atheism be a religion?
Finally, why does a god need omniscience. Apollo didn't need it, he's still as divine.
Quintinohthree 11 months ago
@Quintinohthree Atheism is a religous posture since it speculates on the non-existance of God. It is impossible to say otherwise. Every great philosopher has acknowledged that positions on God--either for or against, walks directly into metaphysics. That is the 'scientific' word for religon and yes when a person says God does not exist they are making the claim--by default-- that they possess infinite knowledge that there is no other being in the universe that has infinite knowledge.
streetcornerprophet 11 months ago
@streetcornerprophet
Atheism is nothing more than not accepting the existence of any god. Religion is a system of shared practices and beliefs regarding the supernatural. First get your definitions right.
I know that "there is no god" is an indefensible claim so I don't make it. I don't make the claim "there is a god" either because it is still indefensible or does not appear defensible to me.
And again, why must every god be omniscient?
Finally, God does not exist.
Quintinohthree 11 months ago
@Quintinohthree I know that "there is no god" is an indefensible claim so I don't make it.--FINALLY GOD DOES NOT EXIST? What is that? Second, you skirted the issue about the term religon: Metaphysics is a scientic word for religon pure and simple. The moment you stray into claims about God--you are making a religous claim. Last, disagreement is not hate. I think this issue and what stems form it is of utmost importance. Naturalisim does nothing but fragment the soul-it only breeds sadness.
streetcornerprophet 11 months ago
@streetcornerprophet
Knowing that "there is no god" is an indefensible claim I can still say that this specific god described in the bible does not exist. That's what I'm getting at.
Secondly, if you want to make your own definition of "religion", fine but still one religious claim does not a religion make.
Finally, what hate are we even talking about? What naturalism? What is a soul?
I may be a naturalist but an atheist isn't always a naturalist. I'm not sad either, anything but, generally.
Quintinohthree 11 months ago
@Quintinohthree Thanks for the reply. First, I have not made up a new definition of religon. Metaphysics by definition is the study into the nature of untimate reality. That includes any discussion of God; even David Hume or Berrtand Russel would grant that point. However, I would differ with you on the God of the Bible: I take one look at the Human body and the perfection of the universe and I do not see a random collection of molecules. I also consider good in life not only the evil. (cont)
streetcornerprophet 11 months ago
@Quintinohthree (from reply below) but the good as well. Do I say I followed this like a trail of bread crumbs to the Lord? NO. I came to Christ because I was told about the Cross and the fact that I mattered so much to a God who hates evil will judge the world in the near future and the way out of this reckoning with evil in this planet is to accept the sacrifice of Christ on the cross for the payment of MY sins. Keep your options open. Noting personal but what if you are wrong? Take care. SP
streetcornerprophet 11 months ago
@streetcornerprophet
"I have not made up a new definition of relig[i]on."
Then you must agree that atheism is not a religion.
"I would differ with you on the God of the Bible:"
Malachi 3:6 says God doesn't change; Genesis 1:31 says God was pleased; Genesis 6:6 says God was displeased; God changed from Genesis 1:31 to 6:6 therefore the god described in the bible does not exist.
What you say after that is just as much evidence for the Flying Spaghetti Monster.
continues...
Quintinohthree 11 months ago
@Quintinohthree
As you say you chose to be a Christian because it's the religion that most appealed to you. Christianity doesn't appeal to me at all so the only way you're going to convert me is by proving it.
"Noting personal but what if you are wrong?"
What we have here is an example of Pascal's Wager, an argument for agnostic theism which was refuted before the French Revolution.
My own refutation revolves around the question "What if you're wrong too?"
Quintinohthree 11 months ago
@Quintinohthree You can say all you want Atheisim is not a religon: However, you must flush the entire discipline of philosophy in the process. As for being wrong, I am honest with myself: I will let the Apostle Paul speak for me. If there is no resurrection, let us eat and drink for tomorrow we die. Your body has billions of process at work simultaniously and in complete perfection. To believe all of this is a roll of the cosmic dice is a much worse than believing in a spaghetti monster.
streetcornerprophet 11 months ago
@streetcornerprophet
Even if atheism were disproven it would still not be a religion, it would be an isolated false belief.
"To believe all of this is a roll of the cosmic dice"
We have science today. Biology, chemistry, physics and such. The theory of evolution, particle theory and the theory of gravity and such. We know why that all is even without a cosmic arranger. And more importantly, it proves your god just as much as the FSM so what good is it?
Quintinohthree 11 months ago
@Quintinohthree Einstein did not accept that logic and-he is the one that said: "God does not play dice." He would have scoffed at the tactics and logic of the new atheist. Modern atheisim is crafted for the sound bite. The maxim "you are never called on to prove a negative" is a new development in the Academy; it lets one off of the hook in having to debate a peer of their equal. It is a page from Marx: You do not debate your opposition--you shut them up. Ad hominem is the weapon of choice.
streetcornerprophet 11 months ago
@streetcornerprophet
"Einstein"
Yep, that's an appeal to authority, a logical fallacy. Is that supposed to be your "weapon of choice"?
Answer to yourself, how can divine arbitration be distinguished from natural randomness? It is not order as even order can arise through processes fuelled by randomness, like evolution.
We already agree that a negative can't be proven. However the positive can't be proven. It is the duty of the claimant to prove his/her claim and make the other believe.
Con...
Quintinohthree 11 months ago
@Quintinohthree
"It is a page from Marx: You do not debate your opposition--you shut them up."
Sure, I'm a moderate socialist but obviously I don't agree with everything Marx wrote or said. This is among the many things I think he was wrong in. In fact, I can recognise a religionist tactic in this which I simply despise.
"Ad hominem is the weapon of choice."
I did not use it in this conversation. I think you should take the time to think why you encounter so much frustration.
Quintinohthree 11 months ago
@Quintinohthree I do not think men like Einstein, DeCarte, Hume, Hegel and even Kant were fools or simpletons. The logic put forth by today's new atheists would have been laughed out of the room by these men and these men were not Christians. As for diving arbitration and natural randomness? I just say this: Whence cometh hydgrogen? A body with trillions of processes working in unision every second.. Life did not come from nothing. Even natural selection has a mind to select. I choose God.
streetcornerprophet 11 months ago
@streetcornerprophet
"I do not think men like...were fools or simpletons."
Neither do I, but to conclude from the amount of truth that they have spoken or written that they have only spoken or written truth is simply a logical fallacy. When words have a different value when the bloke on the corner speaks them without acknowledging the author, they are of no objective value at all.
"Whence cometh hydgrogen?"
First law of thermodynamics. Read, understand, refute.
con...
Quintinohthree 11 months ago
@Quintinohthree
"Life did not come from nothing."
well duh. Watch cdk007's video on abiogenesis. watch?v=U6QYDdgP9eg
"Even natural selection has a mind to select."
No it does not. At least not an outside mind. Only the minds of the organisms themselves are involved.
"I choose God."
When God is not even in the slightest required, why bother adding it in?
And to the "new atheists" you speak about, it does not seem I am one. You describe them as nothing like me.
Quintinohthree 11 months ago
@Quintinohthree You are smart but wrong: Natural selection must have a grand scheme or it falls apart. It is not even logical to think that without being guided, trillions of cells in the body could act in complete unison. How can you say the mind of the organisims are acting own their own when we are only scratching the surface on what is inside cells. Can we see their mind? How do they know they are linked to a greater sphere? Acknowleging a creator is not simplistic. This was a good thread.
streetcornerprophet 11 months ago
@streetcornerprophet
"This was a good thread."
It was not. The past is still ahead of us.
"Natural selection must have a grand scheme or it falls apart."
There are amateur natural selection simulations available on the web. They work without any grand scheme.
kjlg74 has some videos of his own software.
con....
Quintinohthree 11 months ago
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@Quintinohthree
"It is not even logical to think that without being guided, trillions of cells in the body could act in complete unison."
Maybe you can't understand it, I can. If every process was added in sequence over billions of years it wouldn't have mattered how complex it ended. Every mile begins with a millimeter.
con...
Quintinohthree 11 months ago
@Quintinohthree
"How can you say the mind of the organisims are acting own their own when we are only scratching the surface on what is inside cells."
We can't say it is there either but it's better to assume it isn't there unless it has to be there or is known to be there. Whatever it is.
"How do they know they are linked to a greater sphere?"
Are they?
"Acknowleging a creator is not simplistic."
Agreed, it requires a lot that is simply unnecessary.
Quintinohthree 11 months ago
this is not True, but it's enough :(
katerinahejdova 1 year ago
You cant reason with a religious person. This is the same with the communist state. These people instead of hiding behind god they hide behind their government. An athiest can be reasoned with to stop because they use reason to answer all things.It is true that communism isnt a religous state but also true that America isnt either. We have the freedom to practice religion while they dont is the point.
Stoicone111 1 year ago
atheism/agnostics are the only structure which brings the civilisation forth. please note: socialists/communists are no real atheists, they are neo-christian fundamentalists and thus religioes. they are a separation from the usual christian structures but NOT real atheists.
most wars, most dictationships on earth are from religioes fundamentalists: socialists/communists, islam etc.
publicminx 1 year ago