The size/weight in ratio with bike size/weight changes everything about bum and body position... Also height...
We should be able to calculate the ideal bike size/style for individuals, but i guess comes down to preference coz it aint always about speed. Having fun? Good bike...
The guy on the bluewbike at 1:30 does it right. The guy at the beginning has it wrong. Head should be where your review mirrors would be on a street bike. Just compare the two and you'll see what I mean.
Yeah, def isnt looking good. Pelvic area should be straight forward with the bike, knee should be put out close to 90deg off the body, head/shoulders should be pointed through the turn...close to the mirror. Basically he's just sticking his butt and bottom body off the bike to throw weight and keeping top half mounted to the bike. Your top half should be stretched out far enough so that ur "turning arm" is bent and the opposite arm is fully stretched out
@DraggnFrameGMC This may not "look" good, but the object is to go faster. Going faster is a product of speed and radius. The faster you go with a tighter radius requires increased lean angle to offset inertial forces. Hanging off simply increases your ground clearance so you can lean further in the turn if you choose to faster. The limit is based on your tire traction. There is no magic way to sit on the bike to change cornering forces. See "Introduction to Motorcycle Racing - Ed Bargy."
@CycleDoc675 The body position is wrong period. You shouldnt be twisted like that. Your head and shoulders should be pointed the way you want to turn. If you want maximum lean, yeah your body is gonna hang off, but not "curved" like that. You body should be an arrow, head/shoulders first pointing and then if your ass hangs off thats fine but you should be contorted, it should all be straight ass up to head. My experience...? 10 years of racing CCS Expert
@DraggnFrameGMC No doubt, you could lap me at least twice in one 20 minute track session, granted. You are fast because you have learned to take yourself and the bike to the limit. You aren't afraid to trailbrake to the apex and to exit with the tire sliding and hanging out. I don't have much experience, but Ed Bargy does. He has written books and designed Jennings GP Talladega GP. He explains the physics of hanging off in his book. He advocates the position that the riders use in the video
@CycleDoc675 Mat Mladin, 7 time AMA Superbike Champion. Notice where his head is....pointed through the turn, right arm straight, left arm 90 degree, knee out and down 90 degree, hips are straight with the fuel tank. this is text book. But, I agree, many people have their own riding style and people do what feels good to them. You and I are both right. Just another idea from a diferent view. If it works for you, do it.
@DraggnFrameGMC Granted, you could probably lap me twice in a 20 minute track session. But I'll contend that you are fast because you can take yourself and the bike to its limits. You aren't afraid to trailbrake into the apex or to exit the turn with the rear wheel hanging out. Just putting the knee down and kissing the mirror doesn't make someone fast. You pass people like that every track day. Ed Bargy, a 70's racer who designed Jennings GP, would contend the above video is correct.
the body position is good, the problem is the head (after a couple laps his neck must hurt), anyway, almost every rider has his own way of riding... What I consider wrong is to post a video with a no standard position and say this is the right way. Maybe this particular position works for you (in lap times) but definitely is not the usual position. You should go to Keit code's superbike school.
That actually is bad form.....head and shoulders should be leaning into the turn. I'm not by any means an expert but that's what's supposed to happen.
havent you guys heard of riding styles? lean in or lean out...example is rossi or pedrosa against abe and sete gibernau...everyone is different but whats important is that they can do it and do it fast
The guy at 1:34 on the blue bike has the right body positioning. His head and body are off to the inside, his hip is open to the corner, and he looks comfortable and not contorted.
The guy in teh yellow, on teh other hand, is completely wrong and is in what is called a "crossed up position. His hips are dangling off, but his head and body centre line is not inside the centre line of the bike.
@Badassbok The yellow guy at 0:22 is crossed up and his back is twisted into a helix up and uncomfortable, and he is "hanging" off his handlebars, with his forearms tight, making good control difficult. You need your forearms relaxed and loose to control the bike properly. The yellow guy does not have good control, and his forearms will ache at the end of the track session.
No. Keep pelvis on seat (slightly inwards), and move torso centre line inside of bike centre line (called kissing the inside mirror). Open your hips up to the inside so that you are sitting straight facing slightly inwardly of the corner.
I would edit the guys with bad body position before claiming to be an expert of body position, especially when advertising your training school teaching exactly that.
Hmmm... it's such a pitty, when a good initiative gets screwed by poor execution.
The riding position shown in the video is what's most often seen, but none the less; totally wrong! Get you head off the bike and into the turn – aim for where the mirrors should be and you are in the right direction....
Is anyone recognizing the first on yellow bike has the worst BP and hence in the last position in the race. The guy on blue bike has perfect BP and is leading the race.
the head position is like u need to look at the inner of the corner wen ur abu to take a corner nd u must look at the outer when u exit a corner its like u need to look at the lines . its like the bike goes wer u look
Great tips, the first 1 minute all ok except I don't like the head position. My head position is more into the corner. This initial minute maybe due to slower speed into corner for video taking. at 1.22++ better head. The higher the speen taking the corner the more you have to lean.
They are balancing between lower speed and lean angle. the result is the head on opposite of corner to balance.
@Airforce21. Ok so let me get this straight...You have a bike that is about 400lbs give or take and also has 165 hp to the wheels, and your scared on taking corners??!!!!!!!!!!!!! Maybe you should have started with a ninja 250cc and got some riding time in? No disrespect but its just not adding up at all
So what's the "true" 'head' positioning?? I understand that your butt crack should be on the edge of the seat when turning but as for the head... I've heard & seen it all on Utube race schools & MCN. So which 1? Keep your head centered with the bike as you turn? The head should be align with your mirror? Or beyond the mirror? I don't do track but I'm curious on what's the "true" body positioning.
when did you see that ..do u even ride on the track...Plz don't post Poster100 you sound really stupid. GP riders do it anytime they feel the need to.
@BuellAdventure have you ever been on the track ? I would love to see you ride with out shifting your body weight and run a respectable lap. hahaha "the head and shoulders are heavier than the hips" LOL you must be built like a comic book super hero
1) i mean: they do not do it "so much" "a lot" like that in this way.. obviously you have to move your ass, push with feet etc. but not as much as they are doing in this video..
2)More: some riders (and most of theme) do not push ass outside so much but use to push Handlebar instead...
the chaser bike (BLUE) - that dude is an inch from falling off.. look how far his head is AWAY from the bike. Your head should be as close to the leaning side mirrow as possible
@Fischize What are you talking about? The further your body is AWAY from the bike, the less the bike has to lean over. Which makes you less likely to fall off.
The information in this video is crap. Why would you hang your butt off to the left, while actually pushing your head off to the right? Since the head and shoulders are heavier than the hips (at least for a male rider) he would do better to leave his butt in one place and just look out over the left handlebar grip. All this crooked riding position does is make the rider tired while hardly shifting the CG of the bike/rider.
i like to ride in the nude, and hang my ass off the bike in this fashion when i have to take a shit. it works great unless a car is behind me, they dont like my poo on thier tires.....
I'm gone start doing track days, I want to learn how to ride the right way. I have an 08 gsxr 1000 and I find that at times I am kind of scared to take corners and I feel like if I took a couple of track courses it would help alot.
having watched this video (informative as it is) i still can't, for the life of me, figure out why the rider has his head and shoulders in such a 'contorted position' away from the turn?!
can anyone explain why a rider would ride like this as i am not a track day rider.
I like your video, but it would help to know in the description that it starts out demonstrating a student - otherwise it seems like it's showing how to do it
@learn2rideVIDEOS : B/c while you can move your body toward the inside of the bike, you can't relocate the grips. So you have to reach back toward the center of the bike or let go.
@dirtymonkeylover that is true but do your head and shoulders need to be in such contorted fashion simply to grasp the bars? Head, torso and shoulders towards the turn with the head pointed in the direction you wish to take and in line with or below the mirror area makes more sense to me (IMHO)- and with a relaxed spine so that the rider remains more relaxed and less tired but, as i said, I am not a trackday rider yet. (according to the poster this rider's body position is wrong too!)
@learn2rideVIDEOS This guys upper body position is actually wrong, very wrong. He's twisted up and that dangerous as hes still leaning the bike over the same amount as if he wasnt trying too hang weight off the bike. Very dumb and bad information. Your inside shoulder should dip off the inside edge of the turn, half a buttcheek should be off the seat . Head down and also hanging off to the inside of the turn. This video should be removed it a sure way to make you crash/ push the front end.
@learn2rideVIDEOS I don't KNOW, but I have an opinion. With a wide tank and your knees splayed out as far as you can, knee down, you still end up with your body kinda twisted to the outside of the turn. You turn your head into the turn, and up, to see where you want to go. Your shoulders need to be more or less in the middle, so you have good leverage on the bars. The 'contorted' position is the one that allows all this to happen.
When you are riding a bike, it lowers the overall center of gravity of the bike/rider and allows for a change of weight distribution that is more ideal to taking a high speed corner.
@learn2rideVIDEOS Its all in the concept of " Your bike follows where you see" Seeing the exit of a corner beforehand gives you the advantage in speeding up or speeding down through the turn.
@learn2rideVIDEOS It has to do with counter weight and baance. If you did not do this you would go into a slide. It revolves around Newton's Laws of Physics.
@learn2rideVIDEOS there's more than 1 correct body position. watch motogp, not everyone is the same. and if top riders are doing things like that, who can argue it doesn't work? just a different style i think.
The head should be kissing mirror and the body should be parallel to the bike here when the video starts the rider had a twisted body wich is not correct (according to Keith Code and many others}
Yeah, he is actually hanging his butt completely of the bike while his upper body is still inline with the bike which is exactly the wrong way round, afaik.
well skylerzx if you bothered to read racer 108 comments (and it was him that posted the video ) you will see that they all race now i cut my teeth production racing a 350 lc and have raced many other bikes and i WOULD run rings round them
What a wast of my time. You just outlined a guy who's completely crossed. Which track riding school is this so I can tell everyone to stay the hell away from this circus.
No one posting their 'correct tips' seems to have any videos of themselves... I also would like to see them ride. The guy below commenting about the importance of where your hips are on the seat, lol. This is why those of us interested in learning AREN'T doing so from you.
@racer108 I agree totally. Actually, the form used in this video is textbook perfect. Ed Bargy wrote a book which explains the physics of hanging off. The best form is to keep the shoulders and head at the center of the bike while shifting the lower body to the inside of the turn. For some reason, many riders feel that "kissing the mirror" is the best form because notable racers do it, but the most best form to counteract inertial forces is shown by the riders in your video.
@racer108 Listen to yourself then and don't publish a "how-to video" if it's content is teaching the wrong method.
Dragging a knee on the asphalt might look cool but will not necessary help you take the corner faster....however manipulating the center of gravity with your upper body and leading the bike with your head will make a significant difference in your cornering speed.
That is my 2 cents worth...
PS.: I truly hope you don't have a "how-to fold a parachute" video published anywhere.
such a bad example for body position demo. besides, why did he move his ass to the center of the seat again when he had another left? this guy should be learning from me!!
sure everybody is not a racer, but I have done the advanced rider training track courses and read the books- and that guy at 0:22 is badly wrong. I also am an engineer and I can tell you exactly why you are supposed to be doing what they say you must do- and teh way that yellow guy is doing it will not have much effect.
@racer108 It's not about who is making videos and who isn't, it's about teaching people to ride on the tracks and leaning properly and with you giving this advice in these videos it makes new track riders that may come here to view your video think that is the proper positioning when in reality, it isn't.
@racer108 There are some vids on my profile from road atlanta...i also think the first rider shown was a bit "crossed up," but maybe that's a style thing. I'm not a fast guy, after all.
The rider on the r6(?) at 1:32ish looked excellent.
@racer108 HEY ASSHOLE, RELAX AND TAKE CONSTRUCTIVE CRITICISM. THE BOTTOM LINE IS THE RIDER ON THE YELLOW 0:27 HAS HIS HEAD IN THE CENTER OF THE BIKE, THUS SCREWING UP HIS BODY POSITION! HE HEAD SHOULD BE BY WHERE THE MIRRORS WERE, AND LOOKING THROUGH THE TURN... NOT ON THE CENTER OF THE TANK! (his head is literally center of the bike)
Yep, the guy in yellow at the beginning isn't really a great model. He's rotating his butt off the seat, but his shoulders (and thus head) are in too far. It's a symptom of weak core and quad muscles. It's better to scootch your butt over a bit less, open your hips to the turn, and have your head down low to the inside. The guy in blue visible from the tailcam later in the video has much better form.
Pridmore's STAR school teaches you to rotate your hips around the tank instead of sliding your butt side to side on the seat. This allows you to get your inside shoulder pointed into the turn without having to think about it.
that also makes your shoulders square up to the outside of the turn and limits your ability to turn your head and properly look through the corner. If you have a horseshoe type turn (180) that's the worst position to be in. goes back to the basics of looking farther down the track.
@NoobInaCan May, or not. 2 schools of thought. 1: get everything as far off the bike as pos. That's ok as long as nothing goes wrong. 2: get your lower body as far in as pos, but keep your head and shoulders not far from center. If the bike goes to low or high side, you then have leverage on the bars, both yaw and roll, to muscle the bike into what you want it to do. If you hang right off, and the bike bucks, you have no control over it, you have no leverage. Doohan rode with his head in center.
Its a great selling point for race schools these days to push their views on CORRECT BODY POSITION, but check out the riding positions of world champions like Doohan/Rainey/Schwantz.
You should always shift your weight. It does not matter whether it is the street or the track, changing your center of mass will make cornering much more effective.
Agree 100%...you don't need to hang off on the street, but if you just move your center of mass an inch or two towards the inside of the turn, it's amazing how much it helps the bike.
I find it easier to corner with sportbikes when I hang off though, it loosens the arms and elbow joints. On on naked bike or a supermoto it isnt needed so much because of the increased leverage and different seating position. When I ride a sportbike without hanging off it feels like I am riding on top of it rather than riding it. Sure you dont have to be dragging knee everywhere on the street but hanging off has large amounts of benefits.
question, Is it safer to use your body to turn corners such as sticking out the knee but not touching the ground, or just counter steer, which is a better and safer way on normal streets not the race tracks?? thanks
Just moving ure weight off the side of the bike won't change its direction mate, you still have to steer!! The shifting of weight simply means you can achieve higher corner speeds per lean angle
How quick are you going? If you haven't been taught how to hang off, keep your arse planted on the seat. Move your head past the mirror and face the corner. You will countersteer automatically. Get used to having your body like that and you'll get more comfortable with shifting your weight.
Isnt this positioning somewhat correct? If you see the rider's head, it's symmetrical with the bike instead of being off to the side where the mirrors should be...what do you think?
Agreed. He could take that turn faster with more traction from picking the bike up a little since we can clearly see he is not using all of his upper body wieght to conterbalance. Hang off more at same speed and you have to pick up the bike. Pick up the bike and you have more traction=more speed!
Thats what ive heard too. Kiss your mirror. but ive never even been to a track day so im no expert. these guys are rippin and would eat me up on a track so i should prolly not talk. lol
I have one weekend of experience, so I'm not one to say much either, but I did order the video and when I watch it, I see a LOT of people with bad head position (including me).
I didn't know my position was that bad until I saw it on video, so I gather most people don't realize they're doing it "wrong".
My instructor corrected me and I got better at it after the video was shot, but if you learn proper body position, you'll be better than half the people there.
The head should be out by where the mirrors should be. Although it seemed to work for him. He would be able to get the bike to turn a little quicker if he did.
Sorry about the vagueness, when I made this video it was just a test for the final video for the track school. I have left it up just because it gets a lot of hits and that is good for my other videos. Most of the music I use comes from industrial production collections used for TV spots.
FYI. This video is to show the important aspects of body positioning and is not saying that anyone of the expert riders shown in the video have the perfect style. Any experienced expert track rider/racer will tell you that everyone has their own style which is dictated by them and not anothers persons opinion.
Shouldn't the bikers spine together with centre of the head be paralell to the bike centre line???
kondraxkk 3 weeks ago
The size/weight in ratio with bike size/weight changes everything about bum and body position... Also height...
We should be able to calculate the ideal bike size/style for individuals, but i guess comes down to preference coz it aint always about speed. Having fun? Good bike...
EVOASSHOLE 2 months ago
i really wanted to be in a riding skul.. wer bigbyks rule the streets..
garethzky 3 months ago
Lucky got the top comment (4 & 2 likes =.=) , no wonder it's differ than what i see before..lolz
xafee 3 months ago
it's all about practice, you can't be told how to ride
sneeren 5 months ago
WTF???? is this guy a novice ? confused!!!
truthhunter46 6 months ago
i dont get it. body positioning? everyone has his own way. at least i think so
pazzerella1982 6 months ago
g force principle....
CARMENCHU2298 6 months ago
body position is horrible.. lower head and almost kiss front mirror.
stupidkaydoo 6 months ago
I concur this guy is a bad example...plus his apex seems off
applebitefool 7 months ago
The guy on the blue motorcycle looks great. His head and body positioning rocks. The other guys... head, head, head... Nice video though.
KingaThePrincess 7 months ago
wow umm this guy has terrible upper body position lol...
ndascal 7 months ago
This is an example of bad body positioning, because the rider only leans his lower body. He should also lean his torso/head into the corner as well.
I see this type of body positioning on track days from people who just like to drag the knee for the fun of it.
JoeFoxx 9 months ago 2
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wrong wrong wrong
cougz82 9 months ago
this is not entirely true!! The head is too much on the inside of the turn!!! Watch some motoGP and learn from them
sebarm86 9 months ago
It was you.
gag1025 9 months ago
this doesn't show anything.
adamcluck 1 year ago
Head needs to be behind the mirror for a better body position
Fiercefighter2 1 year ago
nice vid. thanks
drifter22g 1 year ago
The guy on the bluewbike at 1:30 does it right. The guy at the beginning has it wrong. Head should be where your review mirrors would be on a street bike. Just compare the two and you'll see what I mean.
TheRaulr151 1 year ago
this is rubbish, the bodyposition is totally wrong, he rides twisted, head up in the centerline and ass far out = WRONG
systemutvecklaren 1 year ago
Yeah, def isnt looking good. Pelvic area should be straight forward with the bike, knee should be put out close to 90deg off the body, head/shoulders should be pointed through the turn...close to the mirror. Basically he's just sticking his butt and bottom body off the bike to throw weight and keeping top half mounted to the bike. Your top half should be stretched out far enough so that ur "turning arm" is bent and the opposite arm is fully stretched out
DraggnFrameGMC 1 year ago
@DraggnFrameGMC This may not "look" good, but the object is to go faster. Going faster is a product of speed and radius. The faster you go with a tighter radius requires increased lean angle to offset inertial forces. Hanging off simply increases your ground clearance so you can lean further in the turn if you choose to faster. The limit is based on your tire traction. There is no magic way to sit on the bike to change cornering forces. See "Introduction to Motorcycle Racing - Ed Bargy."
CycleDoc675 1 year ago
@CycleDoc675 The body position is wrong period. You shouldnt be twisted like that. Your head and shoulders should be pointed the way you want to turn. If you want maximum lean, yeah your body is gonna hang off, but not "curved" like that. You body should be an arrow, head/shoulders first pointing and then if your ass hangs off thats fine but you should be contorted, it should all be straight ass up to head. My experience...? 10 years of racing CCS Expert
DraggnFrameGMC 1 year ago
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@DraggnFrameGMC No doubt, you could lap me at least twice in one 20 minute track session, granted. You are fast because you have learned to take yourself and the bike to the limit. You aren't afraid to trailbrake to the apex and to exit with the tire sliding and hanging out. I don't have much experience, but Ed Bargy does. He has written books and designed Jennings GP Talladega GP. He explains the physics of hanging off in his book. He advocates the position that the riders use in the video
CycleDoc675 1 year ago
@CycleDoc675 Mat Mladin, 7 time AMA Superbike Champion. Notice where his head is....pointed through the turn, right arm straight, left arm 90 degree, knee out and down 90 degree, hips are straight with the fuel tank. this is text book. But, I agree, many people have their own riding style and people do what feels good to them. You and I are both right. Just another idea from a diferent view. If it works for you, do it.
DraggnFrameGMC 1 year ago
@DraggnFrameGMC Granted, you could probably lap me twice in a 20 minute track session. But I'll contend that you are fast because you can take yourself and the bike to its limits. You aren't afraid to trailbrake into the apex or to exit the turn with the rear wheel hanging out. Just putting the knee down and kissing the mirror doesn't make someone fast. You pass people like that every track day. Ed Bargy, a 70's racer who designed Jennings GP, would contend the above video is correct.
CycleDoc675 1 year ago
Your head should be out near the mirrors when cornering. This video does not show proper form.
torquethrust 1 year ago
btw, looking at the video some riders do have a good riding position, like the one on the 623 bike.
alejogs500 1 year ago
the body position is good, the problem is the head (after a couple laps his neck must hurt), anyway, almost every rider has his own way of riding... What I consider wrong is to post a video with a no standard position and say this is the right way. Maybe this particular position works for you (in lap times) but definitely is not the usual position. You should go to Keit code's superbike school.
alejogs500 1 year ago
the guy is in the wroung position for sure his head should be on the pelvic line, you can see his elbow, you should not be able to
TheDennissherman 1 year ago
the guy is in the wroung position for sure his head should be on the pelvic line
TheDennissherman 1 year ago
This is bad science, it seems to be more about getting your knee down than good body position, just ignore this vid its crap and possibly dangerous.
Who are these clowns?
donald195 1 year ago
Stop misleading people on the body position, You are going to put a lot of newbies in the hospital.
jacklyw 1 year ago
That actually is bad form.....head and shoulders should be leaning into the turn. I'm not by any means an expert but that's what's supposed to happen.
TheRaulr151 1 year ago
i dnt reli ndrstnd y do u fkn dikheds wna gve ur own expert coments.....no u sukas get nower.....jackasses....
noelbrett2001 1 year ago
@noelbrett2001 What?
deathdefine 1 year ago
havent you guys heard of riding styles? lean in or lean out...example is rossi or pedrosa against abe and sete gibernau...everyone is different but whats important is that they can do it and do it fast
ENRIQUEGOITIA 1 year ago
The guy at 1:34 on the blue bike has the right body positioning. His head and body are off to the inside, his hip is open to the corner, and he looks comfortable and not contorted.
The guy in teh yellow, on teh other hand, is completely wrong and is in what is called a "crossed up position. His hips are dangling off, but his head and body centre line is not inside the centre line of the bike.
Badassbok 1 year ago
@Badassbok The yellow guy at 0:22 is crossed up and his back is twisted into a helix up and uncomfortable, and he is "hanging" off his handlebars, with his forearms tight, making good control difficult. You need your forearms relaxed and loose to control the bike properly. The yellow guy does not have good control, and his forearms will ache at the end of the track session.
Badassbok 1 year ago
youtube.com/watch?v=QCg3BMGe52M
youtube.com/watch?v=5wYD9SSBBNQ&feature=channel
2 vids on how to corner correctly, the first one is particully good
oh and these arent my vids but are much better than this one
grapes008 1 year ago
So Pelvic center line is ok? And that's the way that I should do it. Am I Right?
a2tim 1 year ago
@a2tim
No. Keep pelvis on seat (slightly inwards), and move torso centre line inside of bike centre line (called kissing the inside mirror). Open your hips up to the inside so that you are sitting straight facing slightly inwardly of the corner.
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Badassbok 1 year ago
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sinofme 1 year ago
he is twisted thats very bad.
its about shoulder and head .Knee is only small part of it
sinofme 1 year ago
I would edit the guys with bad body position before claiming to be an expert of body position, especially when advertising your training school teaching exactly that.
lateboy4 1 year ago
Hmmm... it's such a pitty, when a good initiative gets screwed by poor execution.
The riding position shown in the video is what's most often seen, but none the less; totally wrong! Get you head off the bike and into the turn – aim for where the mirrors should be and you are in the right direction....
Kleenin 1 year ago
nipple to tank... helps u keep weight off the heads... and outside elbow to tank...
dukviper90 1 year ago
Is anyone recognizing the first on yellow bike has the worst BP and hence in the last position in the race. The guy on blue bike has perfect BP and is leading the race.
m3toz4 1 year ago
As the poster has repeated many times... If you can do better, go for it.
Soulculler 1 year ago
The riders crossed up, not a good position
PeerCritique 1 year ago
nice ass dragging, get your head into the corner first
menns73 1 year ago
@berniedmj1
the head position is like u need to look at the inner of the corner wen ur abu to take a corner nd u must look at the outer when u exit a corner its like u need to look at the lines . its like the bike goes wer u look
arunche1 1 year ago
this is rubbish and completely wrong.
Badassbok 2 years ago 3
Great tips, the first 1 minute all ok except I don't like the head position. My head position is more into the corner. This initial minute maybe due to slower speed into corner for video taking. at 1.22++ better head. The higher the speen taking the corner the more you have to lean.
They are balancing between lower speed and lean angle. the result is the head on opposite of corner to balance.
affnan 2 years ago
@Airforce21. Ok so let me get this straight...You have a bike that is about 400lbs give or take and also has 165 hp to the wheels, and your scared on taking corners??!!!!!!!!!!!!! Maybe you should have started with a ninja 250cc and got some riding time in? No disrespect but its just not adding up at all
Rippingsax1 2 years ago
So what's the "true" 'head' positioning?? I understand that your butt crack should be on the edge of the seat when turning but as for the head... I've heard & seen it all on Utube race schools & MCN. So which 1? Keep your head centered with the bike as you turn? The head should be align with your mirror? Or beyond the mirror? I don't do track but I'm curious on what's the "true" body positioning.
berniedmj1 2 years ago
with your mirror. and looking towards th end of the turn
daury2006 2 years ago
Not most of world Gp riders do that...
A little niki Hayden, ruben,.. but all other do not do that.. only on brake time..
ThePoster100 2 years ago
when did you see that ..do u even ride on the track...Plz don't post Poster100 you sound really stupid. GP riders do it anytime they feel the need to.
@BuellAdventure have you ever been on the track ? I would love to see you ride with out shifting your body weight and run a respectable lap. hahaha "the head and shoulders are heavier than the hips" LOL you must be built like a comic book super hero
driftyrx8 2 years ago
driftyrx8:
1) i mean: they do not do it "so much" "a lot" like that in this way.. obviously you have to move your ass, push with feet etc. but not as much as they are doing in this video..
2)More: some riders (and most of theme) do not push ass outside so much but use to push Handlebar instead...
ThePoster100 2 years ago
the chaser bike (BLUE) - that dude is an inch from falling off.. look how far his head is AWAY from the bike. Your head should be as close to the leaning side mirrow as possible
Fischize 2 years ago
@Fischize What are you talking about? The further your body is AWAY from the bike, the less the bike has to lean over. Which makes you less likely to fall off.
lolwhat2 2 years ago
The information in this video is crap. Why would you hang your butt off to the left, while actually pushing your head off to the right? Since the head and shoulders are heavier than the hips (at least for a male rider) he would do better to leave his butt in one place and just look out over the left handlebar grip. All this crooked riding position does is make the rider tired while hardly shifting the CG of the bike/rider.
BuellAdventure 2 years ago
i like to ride in the nude, and hang my ass off the bike in this fashion when i have to take a shit. it works great unless a car is behind me, they dont like my poo on thier tires.....
licmy3balls 2 years ago
I'm gone start doing track days, I want to learn how to ride the right way. I have an 08 gsxr 1000 and I find that at times I am kind of scared to take corners and I feel like if I took a couple of track courses it would help alot.
Airforce21 2 years ago
having watched this video (informative as it is) i still can't, for the life of me, figure out why the rider has his head and shoulders in such a 'contorted position' away from the turn?!
can anyone explain why a rider would ride like this as i am not a track day rider.
thanks
learn2rideVIDEOS 2 years ago 32
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This is a test video and is not supposed to be correct.
racer108 2 years ago
ahh ok! thanks for the reply mate
learn2rideVIDEOS 2 years ago
@racer108 What the hell are you on about??? It;'s not supposed to be correct? Are you retarded?
jojothedog1234 1 year ago
@racer108 thanks for that, I knew something wasn't quite right
learn2rideVIDEOS 1 year ago 2
@racer108 so these must be beginners?
sbeer6er 1 year ago
I like your video, but it would help to know in the description that it starts out demonstrating a student - otherwise it seems like it's showing how to do it
jkddaddy 1 year ago
@learn2rideVIDEOS : B/c while you can move your body toward the inside of the bike, you can't relocate the grips. So you have to reach back toward the center of the bike or let go.
dirtymonkeylover 1 year ago
@dirtymonkeylover that is true but do your head and shoulders need to be in such contorted fashion simply to grasp the bars? Head, torso and shoulders towards the turn with the head pointed in the direction you wish to take and in line with or below the mirror area makes more sense to me (IMHO)- and with a relaxed spine so that the rider remains more relaxed and less tired but, as i said, I am not a trackday rider yet. (according to the poster this rider's body position is wrong too!)
learn2rideVIDEOS 1 year ago
@learn2rideVIDEOS This guys upper body position is actually wrong, very wrong. He's twisted up and that dangerous as hes still leaning the bike over the same amount as if he wasnt trying too hang weight off the bike. Very dumb and bad information. Your inside shoulder should dip off the inside edge of the turn, half a buttcheek should be off the seat . Head down and also hanging off to the inside of the turn. This video should be removed it a sure way to make you crash/ push the front end.
weedtastic 1 year ago 2
@learn2rideVIDEOS I don't KNOW, but I have an opinion. With a wide tank and your knees splayed out as far as you can, knee down, you still end up with your body kinda twisted to the outside of the turn. You turn your head into the turn, and up, to see where you want to go. Your shoulders need to be more or less in the middle, so you have good leverage on the bars. The 'contorted' position is the one that allows all this to happen.
Kneedragon1962 1 year ago
@learn2rideVIDEOS
When you are riding a bike, it lowers the overall center of gravity of the bike/rider and allows for a change of weight distribution that is more ideal to taking a high speed corner.
defprun 1 year ago
@learn2rideVIDEOS
thats the first thing i was gonna say also very weird i watched a bunch of vids that suggest otherwise
jasonb85 1 year ago
@learn2rideVIDEOS Its all in the concept of " Your bike follows where you see" Seeing the exit of a corner beforehand gives you the advantage in speeding up or speeding down through the turn.
shravanrulez 1 year ago
@learn2rideVIDEOS what you want to do is watch the exit point through the corner. its hard to tell what hes doing in this clip but he looks alright
epiphonehtm 1 year ago
@learn2rideVIDEOS That's because you need to have your head more to the side (more towards the mirror).
SicSeb 11 months ago
@learn2rideVIDEOS It has to do with counter weight and baance. If you did not do this you would go into a slide. It revolves around Newton's Laws of Physics.
gag1025 9 months ago
@learn2rideVIDEOS
The guy's head is angled to be level with the track. Shoulders are fine, could be better though.
ecnahc515 8 months ago
@learn2rideVIDEOS This rider is not having a correct body position. Search for MCN guide. Much better.
lflgilf 7 months ago
@learn2rideVIDEOS It just looks that way cause of the hump, n shape of the helmet
215Rollaz 6 months ago
@learn2rideVIDEOS there's more than 1 correct body position. watch motogp, not everyone is the same. and if top riders are doing things like that, who can argue it doesn't work? just a different style i think.
maken3 5 months ago
The head should be kissing mirror and the body should be parallel to the bike here when the video starts the rider had a twisted body wich is not correct (according to Keith Code and many others}
lakebum 2 years ago 4
you gotta be more aggresive riding there
tomtx06 2 years ago
Uh.... Is it just me or was that guy in bad position
speedemon103 2 years ago 55
yup his head is in bad position maybe the shoulders too.
cachorrinapestosin 2 years ago 8
@speedemon103 his head is in the totally wrong place :D
lauris15151 8 months ago 9
@speedemon103 Not just you. He is supposed to lean the head and shoulder down. Not the ass.
lflgilf 7 months ago
@speedemon103
Yeah, he is actually hanging his butt completely of the bike while his upper body is still inline with the bike which is exactly the wrong way round, afaik.
coldlizard 6 months ago
well skylerzx if you bothered to read racer 108 comments (and it was him that posted the video ) you will see that they all race now i cut my teeth production racing a 350 lc and have raced many other bikes and i WOULD run rings round them
michaeldegge 2 years ago
I just try to kiss my mirrors on corners, everything else falls into line that way. at least i think.
jtmarsh82 2 years ago 2
one poss two riders cornered correctly as for the rest well i would race them any day coz they were all over the shop not a clue
michaeldegge 2 years ago
Wow impressive, you can beat students. Try reading the video description before talking yourself up.
SkylerZX 2 years ago 6
The rider looks like his pelvis is out of line. I was taught to keep pelvis in line with corner.
RoyChicago 2 years ago
What a wast of my time. You just outlined a guy who's completely crossed. Which track riding school is this so I can tell everyone to stay the hell away from this circus.
Manijay1 2 years ago 3
Drop the backgroundnoise/music
diewqji 2 years ago 3
I found it interesting. Thanks man.
MattyGK166 2 years ago
is this part of a dvd series ?
any more info?
klined 2 years ago
There are to many know-it-all's out there. Everyone thinks they are experts.
All of you experts who are bashing the test subject better post videos of yourself riding. I think we would love to see how you pros do it...lol
racer108 2 years ago
So, so true.
No one posting their 'correct tips' seems to have any videos of themselves... I also would like to see them ride. The guy below commenting about the importance of where your hips are on the seat, lol. This is why those of us interested in learning AREN'T doing so from you.
v8rangerboy 2 years ago 2
so ...True. Lots of people talk the talk. When asked to walk the walk.......they run away. Great video!!!
Please post more.
motormanish 2 years ago
@racer108 I agree totally. Actually, the form used in this video is textbook perfect. Ed Bargy wrote a book which explains the physics of hanging off. The best form is to keep the shoulders and head at the center of the bike while shifting the lower body to the inside of the turn. For some reason, many riders feel that "kissing the mirror" is the best form because notable racers do it, but the most best form to counteract inertial forces is shown by the riders in your video.
CycleDoc675 1 year ago
@racer108 Listen to yourself then and don't publish a "how-to video" if it's content is teaching the wrong method.
Dragging a knee on the asphalt might look cool but will not necessary help you take the corner faster....however manipulating the center of gravity with your upper body and leading the bike with your head will make a significant difference in your cornering speed.
That is my 2 cents worth...
PS.: I truly hope you don't have a "how-to fold a parachute" video published anywhere.
chigamoto 10 months ago
such a bad example for body position demo. besides, why did he move his ass to the center of the seat again when he had another left? this guy should be learning from me!!
Blenkey117 2 years ago
wow
worst video ever.
that guys' head is in the center, he needs to have his head and shoulders more to the left...
NoobInaCan 2 years ago 33
you're absolutely right, i dont know why you had 2thumbs down...gave you 1up
daChef1992 2 years ago
yeah good call thumbs for you both, head should be looking past the mirror
GoproNoob 2 years ago
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Please post links to the videos you have made.
racer108 2 years ago
I would, but I do the same thing! That's why I'm so hyper-aware of it - it's something I'm trying to improve about my own technique!
sphinctank 2 years ago
@racer108 Why does someone need to make a video in order to prove their knowledge of a topic?
hornetobiker 1 year ago
@racer108
sure everybody is not a racer, but I have done the advanced rider training track courses and read the books- and that guy at 0:22 is badly wrong. I also am an engineer and I can tell you exactly why you are supposed to be doing what they say you must do- and teh way that yellow guy is doing it will not have much effect.
Badassbok 1 year ago
@racer108 It's not about who is making videos and who isn't, it's about teaching people to ride on the tracks and leaning properly and with you giving this advice in these videos it makes new track riders that may come here to view your video think that is the proper positioning when in reality, it isn't.
thiskory99 1 year ago
@racer108 There are some vids on my profile from road atlanta...i also think the first rider shown was a bit "crossed up," but maybe that's a style thing. I'm not a fast guy, after all.
The rider on the r6(?) at 1:32ish looked excellent.
crash86ed 1 year ago
@racer108 HEY ASSHOLE, RELAX AND TAKE CONSTRUCTIVE CRITICISM. THE BOTTOM LINE IS THE RIDER ON THE YELLOW 0:27 HAS HIS HEAD IN THE CENTER OF THE BIKE, THUS SCREWING UP HIS BODY POSITION! HE HEAD SHOULD BE BY WHERE THE MIRRORS WERE, AND LOOKING THROUGH THE TURN... NOT ON THE CENTER OF THE TANK! (his head is literally center of the bike)
imstricken06 10 months ago 14
Yep, the guy in yellow at the beginning isn't really a great model. He's rotating his butt off the seat, but his shoulders (and thus head) are in too far. It's a symptom of weak core and quad muscles. It's better to scootch your butt over a bit less, open your hips to the turn, and have your head down low to the inside. The guy in blue visible from the tailcam later in the video has much better form.
sphinctank 2 years ago
Pridmore's STAR school teaches you to rotate your hips around the tank instead of sliding your butt side to side on the seat. This allows you to get your inside shoulder pointed into the turn without having to think about it.
a2birdcage 2 years ago
that also makes your shoulders square up to the outside of the turn and limits your ability to turn your head and properly look through the corner. If you have a horseshoe type turn (180) that's the worst position to be in. goes back to the basics of looking farther down the track.
creedr6 2 years ago
@NoobInaCan May, or not. 2 schools of thought. 1: get everything as far off the bike as pos. That's ok as long as nothing goes wrong. 2: get your lower body as far in as pos, but keep your head and shoulders not far from center. If the bike goes to low or high side, you then have leverage on the bars, both yaw and roll, to muscle the bike into what you want it to do. If you hang right off, and the bike bucks, you have no control over it, you have no leverage. Doohan rode with his head in center.
Kneedragon1962 1 year ago
@NoobInaCan
Its a great selling point for race schools these days to push their views on CORRECT BODY POSITION, but check out the riding positions of world champions like Doohan/Rainey/Schwantz.
AudiA4TQ 1 year ago
@NoobInaCan
Wrong again. Have you ever done this? I did not think so. These guys are experts so what do they know compared to you? Go figure.
gag1025 9 months ago
4* NICE ONE !!!!!!!!!!!
Suzukimad07 3 years ago
You should always shift your weight. It does not matter whether it is the street or the track, changing your center of mass will make cornering much more effective.
racer108 3 years ago
Agree 100%...you don't need to hang off on the street, but if you just move your center of mass an inch or two towards the inside of the turn, it's amazing how much it helps the bike.
enman70 3 years ago 2
I find it easier to corner with sportbikes when I hang off though, it loosens the arms and elbow joints. On on naked bike or a supermoto it isnt needed so much because of the increased leverage and different seating position. When I ride a sportbike without hanging off it feels like I am riding on top of it rather than riding it. Sure you dont have to be dragging knee everywhere on the street but hanging off has large amounts of benefits.
kneedownskaggs 2 years ago
question, Is it safer to use your body to turn corners such as sticking out the knee but not touching the ground, or just counter steer, which is a better and safer way on normal streets not the race tracks?? thanks
AceNHobart 3 years ago
Just moving ure weight off the side of the bike won't change its direction mate, you still have to steer!! The shifting of weight simply means you can achieve higher corner speeds per lean angle
NC2489 3 years ago
How quick are you going? If you haven't been taught how to hang off, keep your arse planted on the seat. Move your head past the mirror and face the corner. You will countersteer automatically. Get used to having your body like that and you'll get more comfortable with shifting your weight.
not4resale 3 years ago
you don't just corner with the bars, u use your feet, knees, weight. its all a fluid motion to put the bike where u want it
humanmoron 2 years ago 6
OK.
racer108 3 years ago
i accidently changed gears on my honda cbr1000
and fell
334912 3 years ago
Lol... hope you were ok :D
elcko123 3 years ago
Just remember, everyone has a style of their own.
racer108 3 years ago
Isnt this positioning somewhat correct? If you see the rider's head, it's symmetrical with the bike instead of being off to the side where the mirrors should be...what do you think?
mvspeed101 3 years ago
Agreed. He could take that turn faster with more traction from picking the bike up a little since we can clearly see he is not using all of his upper body wieght to conterbalance. Hang off more at same speed and you have to pick up the bike. Pick up the bike and you have more traction=more speed!
visualfxpro 3 years ago
Thats what ive heard too. Kiss your mirror. but ive never even been to a track day so im no expert. these guys are rippin and would eat me up on a track so i should prolly not talk. lol
buell41 3 years ago
I have one weekend of experience, so I'm not one to say much either, but I did order the video and when I watch it, I see a LOT of people with bad head position (including me).
I didn't know my position was that bad until I saw it on video, so I gather most people don't realize they're doing it "wrong".
My instructor corrected me and I got better at it after the video was shot, but if you learn proper body position, you'll be better than half the people there.
GrampaCrusty 3 years ago
The head should be out by where the mirrors should be. Although it seemed to work for him. He would be able to get the bike to turn a little quicker if he did.
application6011 3 years ago 4
yeah hes crossed up. suprised they used this as an example.
sprtbkr 3 years ago 2
This is just a test video. It gets a lot of hits so I left it up. The guy in the video has gone on to become one of his regions best racers.
racer108 2 years ago
Sorry about the vagueness, when I made this video it was just a test for the final video for the track school. I have left it up just because it gets a lot of hits and that is good for my other videos. Most of the music I use comes from industrial production collections used for TV spots.
racer108 3 years ago
FYI. This video is to show the important aspects of body positioning and is not saying that anyone of the expert riders shown in the video have the perfect style. Any experienced expert track rider/racer will tell you that everyone has their own style which is dictated by them and not anothers persons opinion.
racer108 3 years ago
i began teaching myself on my 125 and found that i just wasnt put my leg down enough! i had it sticking out to far to the side!
cool vid, doesnt explain too much though
do you know what the tune is?
wheelface 3 years ago
Is there more to this video? I would like to learn more.
lovebikestuff 4 years ago 2