Thank god for texas we.dont have this stupid fuken law (open carry) ,we carry loaded guns ad concealed so u can surprise this fuken criminals ad give them no chance too react.Also we dont carry our camcorders everywhere we go ad get attention from law enforement.just do it the right way get a license to carry it concealed at all times.
Thank goodness I live in Alabama. I open carry loaded with one in the chamber. Unloaded means you are carrying an expensive paper weight. I understand that is the law in California and I do not understand how citizens can put up with it.
Hang in there, guy. You and your friends can make it change.
@TheSFCRetired Loading the gun doesn't take more than a couple seconds, though I would much rather have it loaded anyways. If you cant load the gun for whatever reason you are basically screwed.
@AyatollahGondola - Dude you are at Jiffy Lube for what 20 min with a room full of people. Treat it like a range. You are not in the Jungle or Desert....
i understand what you are doing, bravo. BUT,,, you pointed the weapon at yourself, at the attendant, and you LEFT YOUR WEAPON UNATTENDED. next time you go out to "stir up emotions", can you please do it more responsibly? like holstering or slinging. gun safety number 1 rule is muzzle direction and EVERY gun is LOADED.
@AyatollahGondola i meen im all for it but running around with anything but a pistol is asking for trouble and gettn people more aware.trust me im all about the 2ed amendment and i O.C in the I.E in CA but shottys make people more worried cops and others dont o.c with rifles or shottys and i do understand its still a firearm but we are not trying to scare the public we do it for our safty...how long does it take u to load that shotty? takes me about 2secs to load my pistol im not tryn to hound u
It is guns that need to be reintroduced nd normalized. Pistols are scary, because they are used more often in crime. The long gun, be it rifle or shotgun is primarily a hunting tool, and as such should be a better choice to for people to accept. I'm not carrying the shotgun primarily for self defense. I'm doing it because the right is being taken away by non use.
Ah! Well I took everyones advice on another OC, and wore a sling. I walked to the shooting range 11 miles away. I only made it about 1/2 mile before I was surrounded by gun weilding law enforcement, ordered to the pavement, and handcuffed before about a hundred people: Details here:
Not to dismiss all of your concerns about the jiffy lube thing, but I think it went well comparatively
Hey, I am not trying to harp on you, because I open carry myself, but carrying around a shotgun that is NOT on a sling that is on your back is NOT open carry. If the cops were to come, they would arrest you for brandishing a firearm. To legally UOC a long gun, you cannot be handling it. It has to be slung without you having to hold it up. Just thought you should know, because I don't want you to get in trouble. Good luck!
You failed once you walked away from your shotgun to get your camera. I open-carry everywhere other than in the restricted areas and know to keep my weapon no matter the size not only in grasping reach, but also on me at all times in a public area. Ex-military... sling that shit next time lol!
I am supposed to trust you because you were close enough. You aren't that big or tough enough to keep that fat lady away from your camera. This is exactly what I am talking about. In posting this video you have just demonstrating that your agenda supersedes logic. In trying to prove your point you brought a tool of destruction into a total safe place. It was you that place everyone at a higher level of danger when there was none. To answer your quest. Pray to the highest authority and vote
Do you know that you left your shotgun unattended when that fat lady ask about your camera. No holster. An unmanageable weapon set on the ground around others not contained and secured around other individuals. Kind of irresponsible gun owner. Don't you think?
I was close enough, and was observant. In addition, it will not fire without me unless you first study it. I'm more responsible than most. Tell me what you have done towards preserving our constitutional rights and freedoms lately
@AyatollahGondola if that fat moose of a woman would have turned her fat ass around and seen your shotgun she prolly would not have asked about the camera but ask about the gun. or like most she would just sit down in a differant seat or even 2 seats. Personally you should get a shoulder strap for that guage and keep it on your back instead of on the floor. Plus for safety reasons don't they ask you keep the barrel pointed at the ground hence the shoulder strap or holster would point it down.
What if a small child came up to your shotgun pulled the trigger while you were handling you business. Ok the safety is on lets say... That little kids mother would whoop your butt. Listen, hats off to you for the debate have a good day be safe and please don't read any more 8th grade history books about the 1700's it just makes you crazy.
Ok Socrates please enlightened me and your viewers as to your philosophical credentials and school us as to the practical and prudent ways you would handle a sophisticated hold up scenario involving you an armed robber, mugger, hostage, attacker. Since you are the licensed person self appointed to protect "we the people" what would you do and please name the courses you have taken that have enabled you to make these split second decisions. Hate to call you out or are you a wanna be deterrence.
What sophistaced hold-up artist is going to be robbing a jiffy lube? I already mentioned my carrying a firearm is unrelated to crime. An I am not self-appointed; the constitution of the United States of America appointed me. I don't say that I'm representing every citizen out there. I am allowed to represent myself though. I doubt seriously that every minuteman or revolutionary soldier in the late 1700's possessed the credentials you seem to have set for split second decision making.
Just a pretender... Like a guy who carries a gun but really doesn't want to use it. Ouch... Carry away and then get carried away... It's your right...
That's what I thought. Lots of unlicensed practitioners out there. If you go to school and get a license, you can charge me for the diagnosis next time.
And you're right; Don't want to use the gun. It's fun at the range, but there are so many reasons, both philosophical and practical to shun their other uses
You are probably close to 40 years old... You are free... How free can you be? It's not about freedom it's about your mental health. You have deep emotional problems that stem from your treatment as a child. Growing up with different people and different cultures alarms you. You perceive your loss of control as being an attack. You are free and can carry a shotgun anywhere, but don't be surprised when the next free guy takes your weapon and freely opens up on you. You are a target.
You are a fag... You need a gun for protection... take a self defense course; you are a man not a mouse. If you are in a situation where someone pulls a gun on you how in the hell are you going to shoot the guy. What are you Clint Eastwood? and with a shotgun... Really, you are an absolute clown. Grow some balls quit being so scared.
@isl1968 Lay off of him. Although he did not correctly open carry, he has every RIGHT given to him by the Constitution to own, carry, and defend himself with a gun.
I am a Lifetime Member of the NRA and I support open carry for all the states in this country...With that said, this is stupid for a guy to walk around with a 12 Gauge!! Not to mention that he is propping up on the wall for anyone to bolt with...He is just trying to show off and raise an eyebrow....You are not helping the cause by acting like this...If you want to "Open Carry"...Then carry a sidearm!!!
Funny, but nobody bolted with it. People should read the prior comments before making an assumption, but the whole point is to normalizxe the carrying of firearms again. I have a sidearm, but have pretty much been a rifleman my whole life.
You guy's are dumb, read the title and it gives it away. He had it with him so he did not leave it in the car with people that can reach it. Not to throw his open carry around!
Look people open carry in thre form of a pistol is enough ! Just the sight of a hungun holsterd at your hip is enough to warn off most badguy's . Peopel can get used to holsterd pistols . rifles and shot gu's can and do scare people . Don't get me wrong I'm all for the private ownership of gun's I have my own little collection .
im in favor of open carry but this situation seemed unnecessary. This seems more like you are trying to flex your rights in a poor situation rather than purely wishing to have the weapon secured.
Open carry is ridiculous! I know its a right, but its one that i think doesnt need to be practiced just cuz we can. Tell me, when was the last time any of you OCers were in a situation where you needed a gun to resolve it? Exactly. Open carry just makes things more difficult for police and we dont really need that.
"As one man tapped on the driver's window, Naquan Thomas, 20, pulled Lawrence's half brother out of the passenger seat and then felt or saw the off-duty cop's gun on his hip, police said.
Thomas shot Lawrence twice in the leg as he sat in the driver's seat, police said. "
oh, a criminal saw a gun and shot first! this is the type of shit people who oc need to be aware of. sometimes, the sight of a gun doesnt deter crime. sometimes it provokes it.
October 2008, Albuquerque, NM. Police officials report an average of 5 armed robberies per day in the greater metro area.
November 2008, Albuquerque, NM. A flower store, 15 yds from our retail location was robbed at gun point at 12:35p.m., no arrest made.
November 2008, Albuquerque, NM. Fatal shooting occurs at popular bar and grill, "Knuckledeads." This bar is not a 1/4mile from our retail location... arrests were made. Police officers apprehended the wrong suspect. Killer still at large.
June 2009, Albuquerque, NM. Walgreens 50yds from our retail location robbed at gun point, mid-day (for the 4th time). Shots exchanged between perp. and police officials, perp. fatally wounded.
These are only three of the endless (i really mean endless), excellent reasons I could provide in defense of open carry. Though crime runs rampant in our city, and especially around our business, we have never been hit... why? Everyone around knows that our employees are armed.
We are not placed here to please the police. If the police dont like it they can man up and quit. In Az everyone carries concealed and open carry. This does not cause problems for the police. It has caused problems for some really stupid criminals though.
@tristatenews I agree, I carried concealed when I visited my cousin last year. It was a great feeling. This is the whole idea behind OC is to inform the public and the police and to exercise our rights.
@racingrobert1 sometimes it does. but some criminals see it as an opportunity to take the weapon. they know its unloaded and they might think your a cop, they might kill you for a little street credit.
@snjbisk Yes, there are no rapes, murders, muggings, armed robberies, gang violence, ect. The world is full of happy butterflies and unicorns.
Here is a fact. Criminals DONT OPEN CARRY. Criminals hide their handguns, because A: they are usually felons and are not legally allowed to have a gun, and B: Open carrying a handgun makes them extremely conspicuous. If you see someone with a pistol on their hip you should honestly feel safer.
I defended you in a few comments here Aya, that being said Im also going to agree with ytfp, not a good method to OC. I OC myself, and have OCed my AK a few times going to the gun store, but I even saw very poor situational awareness here. You didnt even seem to notice the woman enter the store behind you. Overall a poor OC experience
OK, so it wasn't perfect. I won't debate the perceptions you had, because the point of the effort wasn't primarily situational awareness. Actually it wasn't that at all. I need a sling, yes. I hope to have one soon. But the main thing was to get out and perform, which I did, as opposed to sitting back and not doing it out of fear or conditioning. I certainly don't think you should do nothing because you're afraid of not doing it perfectly.
Please dont think Im saying you shouldnt do it, Im very glad you are. I personally didnt approve of your particular method but I get what your saying. I OC myself every day and am a strong supporter of it. My perceptions are my own, and you are happy with your performance, thats all that matters. Ive had one police encounter and I wasnt happy with how I did, but its a learning experience right? You get better as you go. Keep it up, we need more of it out there.
Even being an advocate of open carry, I disagree with this method of carry. Your long gun or shot gun should be on a sling and not openly carried in the hand. Have some common sense at least if your going to open carry. Have it in a sling or in a holster. This method will get you shot eventually and may be justified as clearly brandishing.
If everybody exercised their right to open carry, then nobody would even trip; Not even cops because they would be used it, and know the laws (which many currently don't). Even those cops who didn't or wanted to check the guns, couldn't possibly check everyone's gun and would ultimately stop doing it, thus ensuring our right to carry. In most states you can open carry a loaded firearm. CA is one of the few that doesn't allow it. CA allowed it until 1967. See video: watch?v=OYWz7BEEg1k
The more people do stupid stuff like this, sooner or later the politicians will even ban open carry. You are not helping gun rights by throwing common sense out the window.
OMG, with each post you prove to be more and more ignorant! Of course OC without incident CAN happen! And more often then not will. But what about the one time it doesnt?
Never saw an Oc'er attacked. Never heard of an OC'er being attacked. Never read about an OC'er being attacked. And it looks like I won't see a video from you depicting one, or showing the great dangers you warn of.
Looks like the odds favor open carry from my standpoint.
Dude, its those kind of posts that make your "cause" sound even more ridiculous. I don't need to make you or anyone else believe what I'm saying could happen. I have seen such things many times. Not against an OC person yet, but the OC concept is a new thing. It will happen
I made a nice video, and you have critiqued it with challenges and recriminations replete with possible scenarios. Mine's real life; not hypothetical or fictional. Show me the real deal about why I shouldn't OC this way
Exactly they saw you had the gun and came to check things out! And yes i dont think you should OC but im not saying you cant. See the difference? No sir, you carry a shotgun around you need to be more on guard than even the officers. The reaction by police for gang banger s jumping you and taking your gun isnt as the same reaction is they did it to a cop. The punks know that. To them its a free shotgun. Just have to beat up this guy for it.
You think the police don't constantly go over "hypothetical situations" in thier mind??? They do, everyday! They train for those situations. Maybe it hasn't happened before, but they know it could.
Police encounter hostile situations as a matter of course; I do not. I meet more decent people per minute than they do, so it stands to reason they need to be more on gaurd than do I
did u even notice the worker at :38 who comes in behind the clerk? Obviously he was doing that to come ck out the situation (the shotgun) then he walks around to your side and opens the door to where you are at :50. Tell me what u would do if a man that size decided to take that shotgun from you at that moment.,,,nothing. You're right, what im doing is talking about "what ifs", but if all you do is live in the moment as youre suggesting, then its to late when it does happen. Damage will be done
Yes, obviously im against OC. But what im telling isnt not to open carry, but to have better judgement when you do. Carrying around an empty shotgun for anyone to see,leaving it leaning up against the counter while you conduct business is just plain irresponsible. Your attitude about "the punks werent in this event though" just proves how ignorant you are about scenerios like that. The point isnt that it didnt happen, its that it easily could. The fact that i have to explain that is scary too!
Sure you did tell me I shouldn't open carry. re-read your previous statements here.
It is my opinion that you're having a knee-jerk reaction to this. Nothing happened here. You presume I wasn't capable of managing a situation had one arised. You're the paranoid one
Where are you getting this "citizens shut up and do what they are told" theory?! Who stopped you from going to the grease monkey? Who told you what to wear? Who told you you couldnt go wherever you wanted to that day? Who told you not to look at porn? Youre fighting a battle that pretty much doesnt exist. Quit being so paranoid! And how are they "hypothetical punks" when they do exist and it has happened before? I fear people like you, not the punks.
Thats just it. Nobody is forcing you not to exercise this right. Just to excercise good judgment. In my opininon OC of any firearm is not good judgement. Only law enforcement should "OC". Thats not saying citizens cant, but as a judgement call, only officers should. And your lacksadaisical attitude on what could very easily happen in the future is whats scary about you "OC" people. It's an attitude that police officers don't possess when it comes to "hypothetical scenerios".
Yeah, I'm sure there are a few people that feel that we should leave reporting the news to accredited journalists, 'cause someone else might start a panic. So cops carry guns, press agents carry the news, and citizens just shut up and do what they're told by both.
I'm not lacodasical; I refuse to live in fear. look at you...you fear hypothetical punks. Might be best if you directed your efforts towards punks, as they seem to be the root of the evil. With punks out of the way we're both safe
And why is it that "only officers should"? It can be taken as well. It has happened quite a bit. They arent "better" than you or I. Why do they do it? Deterrence. Show of force. Ease of access. These arent the sole realm of a LEO.
Nope, I encourage excercising all of ones rights when need be for a good cause. I discourage idiots who put other people in danger just because they feel it's their right. Its legal for you to walk around with a shirt displaying the worst cuss words ever too, but would you do it just to "excercise your rights", even though it meant young kids would be able to read it? Like i said, there is a right way and wrong way to make your point.
Well, I'm not an advocate of profanity, but it's not just a point I'm making. If someone (you or a prosecutor) can force me to stop, it's not really a right. I might add that this exchange all started over a non-existent danger. No punks, idiots, or families were harmed during the filming of this movie
"Need be for a good cause" you say. I see no need or cause that you offer your opinion. Yet its your right. Im sure the owner of the video is offended by your arguments, just as you seem to be by his valid and legal mode of carry. Catch my drift?
Carrying a loose shotgun and a sidearm in a holster with safety locks are completely different! And u stated your reasoning for carrying was to help keep "tyranny at bay". Are you keeding me!? That's how you choose to do it? Ridiculous. Whats more ridiculous is that you apparently feel tyranny is so rampant or imminent that you must carry a shotgun to prove youre a free man! David Koresh lives!
I choose to do it several ways. This is but one. This one is for my second amendment right, but I also keep tyranny at bay with my first amendment right. I make use of most of them, but not all yet. You see this one excerpt of my life and judge me on that. But then again, maybe you just don't like guns. Or do you discourage free speech as well?
You miss the point entirely. You are pretty much advertising to everyone in public that you have this shotgun. And by the statements of almost every member I have seen on youtube belonging to your "movement", self protection is one of the main reasons you all OC. Point is my "hypothetical situation" could easily happen. When it does it could be my wife and kids that get shot with your shotgun that you pretty much gave to the badguys! But i'm sure you won't understand this.
I got your point. I shouldn't have a gun because it might get taken away from me by punks. I would tend to agree that many in the OC movement want to carry to protect themselves from criminals. That is not my primary reason.
you are an idiot because that could have easily been a group of punks that saw you walk into that place with the shotgun. What would you do if a group of them took that gun from you by force. That gun was unloaded per pc12031 and certainly you didnt have any rounds in your pocket. So that shotgun could easily have been taken from you, and you left with no way to stop them except for your "spiderman like" fighting skills im sure.
That did not happen though, as well as any other hypothetical situations that you might offer. I might also add that a group of punks could just as easily broke into my home and stole my gun while I was showering.
Anyway, we were at a jiffy lube, so maybe one of their employees could have greased 'em. (ha!)
Its called "Situational awareness". Ask a cop or soldier about it sometime. Its key to OCing, or Concealing for that matter. Everyone should do it, but few do. Try it
And your anti american. He has the right to do this. Arguing that he shouldnt is trying to restrict his rights. In my state that would be a Misdemeanor 1 :)
I`m all for carrying a gun but to leave it leaning against the counter and walk away from it was totally stupid,loaded or not some jerk may have walked in just at that same time and smashed you over the head with it.Guess what,some idiot then has a shotgun.You are not very good in the ways of [as you put it] "part of your program is teaching other users the practice of carrying your firearms in public" your first concern should have been the shotty,not the cam.
Maybe you're right. I'm old school, and as such am not always expecting a crime to occur. So if you're in the area, maybe you can meet up and give us pointers.
AyatollahGondola, I don't understand when you say that you're
"old school" , and as such am not always expecting a crime to occur."
I thought that was one of the reasons folks wanted to be free to carry a gun was so that if a crime were to occur then criminals would not be the only ones with the guns.
Well, I am a hunter, but the reason I keep firearms is also to protect liberty. Crime occurs all the time, and guns don't always stop it. You can be killed in a drive-by, having never seen the criminal, and maybe they never saw you. But standing up for your rights and freedoms is something you do to keep tyranny at bay.
It was near hwy 50 and Zinfandel. Yes, there have been a few UOC meetups here. Two in a restaurant and one road clean up. I go out once in awhile, and if you're local you can join me.
It's part of our program to teach our other associates and users how to practice carrying your firearms in public places, and still remain within the law
I'd check local regulations, but this is a state law we're practicing here. There may be some additional city or county codes that apply, but they cannot infringe upon your state laws
A 13-year-old girl in Japan's International Airport forced to make a choice,stay in Japan or join parents deported to Philippines. The Calderon's illegally entered Japan on fake passports. immigration arrested her mother in 06. Parents fought laws, & lost, Japan ordered parents deported to Philippines.Activists accuse Japan of not respecting Child Rights. People choose to break laws & must pay accordingly. No Exceptions
Japan gave girl Her Rights,Choice: Her country or her parents
Your first mistake was going to Jiffy Lube.
bhstone1 4 months ago
Thank god for texas we.dont have this stupid fuken law (open carry) ,we carry loaded guns ad concealed so u can surprise this fuken criminals ad give them no chance too react.Also we dont carry our camcorders everywhere we go ad get attention from law enforement.just do it the right way get a license to carry it concealed at all times.
Ferni33htx 5 months ago
Thank goodness I live in Alabama. I open carry loaded with one in the chamber. Unloaded means you are carrying an expensive paper weight. I understand that is the law in California and I do not understand how citizens can put up with it.
Hang in there, guy. You and your friends can make it change.
TheSFCRetired 5 months ago
@TheSFCRetired Loading the gun doesn't take more than a couple seconds, though I would much rather have it loaded anyways. If you cant load the gun for whatever reason you are basically screwed.
Nautical1994 5 months ago
yummy, obesity.
miniboscorino 5 months ago
He is still being irresponsible. The chamber needs to be open and visible to inspection.
Derail07 7 months ago
@Derail07
No. Leaving the chamber open is bad practice. It allows foriegn objects and dirt to enter, which can easily jam the action
AyatollahGondola 7 months ago 2
@AyatollahGondola - Dude you are at Jiffy Lube for what 20 min with a room full of people. Treat it like a range. You are not in the Jungle or Desert....
Derail07 7 months ago
@Derail07 It only has to be unloaded not opened for all to see.
pinghead105 1 month ago
i understand what you are doing, bravo. BUT,,, you pointed the weapon at yourself, at the attendant, and you LEFT YOUR WEAPON UNATTENDED. next time you go out to "stir up emotions", can you please do it more responsibly? like holstering or slinging. gun safety number 1 rule is muzzle direction and EVERY gun is LOADED.
02pwrstrk 7 months ago
@02pwrstrk
Understood, and already fixed this problem. All longuns in a sling now.
AyatollahGondola 7 months ago
sup with the shotty why not a pistol
jcashrednek 7 months ago
@jcashrednek
Actually, I've always been partial to rifles and shotguns
AyatollahGondola 7 months ago
@AyatollahGondola i meen im all for it but running around with anything but a pistol is asking for trouble and gettn people more aware.trust me im all about the 2ed amendment and i O.C in the I.E in CA but shottys make people more worried cops and others dont o.c with rifles or shottys and i do understand its still a firearm but we are not trying to scare the public we do it for our safty...how long does it take u to load that shotty? takes me about 2secs to load my pistol im not tryn to hound u
jcashrednek 7 months ago
@jcashrednek
It is guns that need to be reintroduced nd normalized. Pistols are scary, because they are used more often in crime. The long gun, be it rifle or shotgun is primarily a hunting tool, and as such should be a better choice to for people to accept. I'm not carrying the shotgun primarily for self defense. I'm doing it because the right is being taken away by non use.
AyatollahGondola 7 months ago
@AyatollahGondola gotcha ya i totally agree with you
jcashrednek 7 months ago
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Captainslav 9 months ago
Nice.
xDONTxTREADxONxMEx 1 year ago
Ah! Well I took everyones advice on another OC, and wore a sling. I walked to the shooting range 11 miles away. I only made it about 1/2 mile before I was surrounded by gun weilding law enforcement, ordered to the pavement, and handcuffed before about a hundred people: Details here:
Not to dismiss all of your concerns about the jiffy lube thing, but I think it went well comparatively
AyatollahGondola 1 year ago
@AyatollahGondola Details where???
jdmSRT 1 year ago
@jdmSRT
Sorry, I could not get this youtube site to post the hyperlink
Look at FightBackinSac which is a dot com, and then look at the thread called hike for gun owners under "The Great Outdoors" section
AyatollahGondola 1 year ago
Hey, I am not trying to harp on you, because I open carry myself, but carrying around a shotgun that is NOT on a sling that is on your back is NOT open carry. If the cops were to come, they would arrest you for brandishing a firearm. To legally UOC a long gun, you cannot be handling it. It has to be slung without you having to hold it up. Just thought you should know, because I don't want you to get in trouble. Good luck!
hikerboy16 1 year ago
You failed once you walked away from your shotgun to get your camera. I open-carry everywhere other than in the restricted areas and know to keep my weapon no matter the size not only in grasping reach, but also on me at all times in a public area. Ex-military... sling that shit next time lol!
undergraduateG 1 year ago
He needs to at the least put a sling on that shot gun and use it he has no positive controll of that shotgun this guy is a tard.
longrange762mmm1a 1 year ago
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This is why there trying to take our rights away because of idiots like this. F*CKEN IDIOT!
Leo21LOKi 1 year ago
I am supposed to trust you because you were close enough. You aren't that big or tough enough to keep that fat lady away from your camera. This is exactly what I am talking about. In posting this video you have just demonstrating that your agenda supersedes logic. In trying to prove your point you brought a tool of destruction into a total safe place. It was you that place everyone at a higher level of danger when there was none. To answer your quest. Pray to the highest authority and vote
isl1968 1 year ago
Do you know that you left your shotgun unattended when that fat lady ask about your camera. No holster. An unmanageable weapon set on the ground around others not contained and secured around other individuals. Kind of irresponsible gun owner. Don't you think?
isl1968 1 year ago
@isl1968
I was close enough, and was observant. In addition, it will not fire without me unless you first study it. I'm more responsible than most. Tell me what you have done towards preserving our constitutional rights and freedoms lately
AyatollahGondola 1 year ago
@AyatollahGondola if that fat moose of a woman would have turned her fat ass around and seen your shotgun she prolly would not have asked about the camera but ask about the gun. or like most she would just sit down in a differant seat or even 2 seats. Personally you should get a shoulder strap for that guage and keep it on your back instead of on the floor. Plus for safety reasons don't they ask you keep the barrel pointed at the ground hence the shoulder strap or holster would point it down.
PrepareYourself2010 1 year ago
What if a small child came up to your shotgun pulled the trigger while you were handling you business. Ok the safety is on lets say... That little kids mother would whoop your butt. Listen, hats off to you for the debate have a good day be safe and please don't read any more 8th grade history books about the 1700's it just makes you crazy.
isl1968 1 year ago
@isl1968
Ha. There you go again diagnosing without a license
AyatollahGondola 1 year ago
Ok Socrates please enlightened me and your viewers as to your philosophical credentials and school us as to the practical and prudent ways you would handle a sophisticated hold up scenario involving you an armed robber, mugger, hostage, attacker. Since you are the licensed person self appointed to protect "we the people" what would you do and please name the courses you have taken that have enabled you to make these split second decisions. Hate to call you out or are you a wanna be deterrence.
isl1968 1 year ago
@isl1968
What sophistaced hold-up artist is going to be robbing a jiffy lube? I already mentioned my carrying a firearm is unrelated to crime. An I am not self-appointed; the constitution of the United States of America appointed me. I don't say that I'm representing every citizen out there. I am allowed to represent myself though. I doubt seriously that every minuteman or revolutionary soldier in the late 1700's possessed the credentials you seem to have set for split second decision making.
AyatollahGondola 1 year ago
Just a pretender... Like a guy who carries a gun but really doesn't want to use it. Ouch... Carry away and then get carried away... It's your right...
isl1968 1 year ago
@isl1968
That's what I thought. Lots of unlicensed practitioners out there. If you go to school and get a license, you can charge me for the diagnosis next time.
And you're right; Don't want to use the gun. It's fun at the range, but there are so many reasons, both philosophical and practical to shun their other uses
AyatollahGondola 1 year ago
You are probably close to 40 years old... You are free... How free can you be? It's not about freedom it's about your mental health. You have deep emotional problems that stem from your treatment as a child. Growing up with different people and different cultures alarms you. You perceive your loss of control as being an attack. You are free and can carry a shotgun anywhere, but don't be surprised when the next free guy takes your weapon and freely opens up on you. You are a target.
isl1968 1 year ago
@isl1968
Are you a licensed psychiatrist, psychologist, or just a pretender?
AyatollahGondola 1 year ago
You are a fag... You need a gun for protection... take a self defense course; you are a man not a mouse. If you are in a situation where someone pulls a gun on you how in the hell are you going to shoot the guy. What are you Clint Eastwood? and with a shotgun... Really, you are an absolute clown. Grow some balls quit being so scared.
isl1968 1 year ago
@isl1968
The point is not about personal protection. It's about the protection of our constitutional rights, and our freedoms.
AyatollahGondola 1 year ago
@isl1968 Lay off of him. Although he did not correctly open carry, he has every RIGHT given to him by the Constitution to own, carry, and defend himself with a gun.
hikerboy16 1 year ago
I am a Lifetime Member of the NRA and I support open carry for all the states in this country...With that said, this is stupid for a guy to walk around with a 12 Gauge!! Not to mention that he is propping up on the wall for anyone to bolt with...He is just trying to show off and raise an eyebrow....You are not helping the cause by acting like this...If you want to "Open Carry"...Then carry a sidearm!!!
jnetschphoto 1 year ago
@jnetschphoto
Funny, but nobody bolted with it. People should read the prior comments before making an assumption, but the whole point is to normalizxe the carrying of firearms again. I have a sidearm, but have pretty much been a rifleman my whole life.
AyatollahGondola 1 year ago
Love to see open carry! Keep up the good work.
usmcbess 1 year ago
YOU LOOK LIKE A FUCKN IDIOT WALKIN AROUND WITH A SHOTGUN IN PUBLIC RECORDING YOURSELF!
LWAEJGK19 1 year ago
You guy's are dumb, read the title and it gives it away. He had it with him so he did not leave it in the car with people that can reach it. Not to throw his open carry around!
MrTycap 1 year ago
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ryanburbridge 1 year ago
Look people open carry in thre form of a pistol is enough ! Just the sight of a hungun holsterd at your hip is enough to warn off most badguy's . Peopel can get used to holsterd pistols . rifles and shot gu's can and do scare people . Don't get me wrong I'm all for the private ownership of gun's I have my own little collection .
Herbymac0811 1 year ago
im in favor of open carry but this situation seemed unnecessary. This seems more like you are trying to flex your rights in a poor situation rather than purely wishing to have the weapon secured.
fake1009 1 year ago
That was outstanding. The shotgun was a great choice for open carry.
nelsonboy707 1 year ago
Hahahaha fuck yeah. This guy rules
amsterdamhero 1 year ago
That did not answer my question.
snjbisk 2 years ago
Ok, the last time was around ten years ago
AyatollahGondola 2 years ago
and you survived without OC'ing? See, all is well
snjbisk 2 years ago
Open carry is ridiculous! I know its a right, but its one that i think doesnt need to be practiced just cuz we can. Tell me, when was the last time any of you OCers were in a situation where you needed a gun to resolve it? Exactly. Open carry just makes things more difficult for police and we dont really need that.
snjbisk 2 years ago
If you were in a situation that needed a gun to resolve it, and you didn't have one, you might be too dead to answer your question
AyatollahGondola 2 years ago 7
2 times in 2 years. Thank you for your curiosity! It has saved my life one of those times.
thediscgolfkid 2 years ago
Twice. Never again! Since I started open carry....not one single problem snj. Never
charlitunaman2002 2 years ago
"As one man tapped on the driver's window, Naquan Thomas, 20, pulled Lawrence's half brother out of the passenger seat and then felt or saw the off-duty cop's gun on his hip, police said.
Thomas shot Lawrence twice in the leg as he sat in the driver's seat, police said. "
oh, a criminal saw a gun and shot first! this is the type of shit people who oc need to be aware of. sometimes, the sight of a gun doesnt deter crime. sometimes it provokes it.
matchesison 1 year ago
@ Match....keyword....."sometimes". I'll take my chances
charlitunaman2002 1 year ago
October 2008, Albuquerque, NM. Police officials report an average of 5 armed robberies per day in the greater metro area.
November 2008, Albuquerque, NM. A flower store, 15 yds from our retail location was robbed at gun point at 12:35p.m., no arrest made.
November 2008, Albuquerque, NM. Fatal shooting occurs at popular bar and grill, "Knuckledeads." This bar is not a 1/4mile from our retail location... arrests were made. Police officers apprehended the wrong suspect. Killer still at large.
390MUDDIN 2 years ago
June 2009, Albuquerque, NM. Walgreens 50yds from our retail location robbed at gun point, mid-day (for the 4th time). Shots exchanged between perp. and police officials, perp. fatally wounded.
These are only three of the endless (i really mean endless), excellent reasons I could provide in defense of open carry. Though crime runs rampant in our city, and especially around our business, we have never been hit... why? Everyone around knows that our employees are armed.
390MUDDIN 2 years ago
We are not placed here to please the police. If the police dont like it they can man up and quit. In Az everyone carries concealed and open carry. This does not cause problems for the police. It has caused problems for some really stupid criminals though.
tristatenews 2 years ago 9
@tristatenews I agree, I carried concealed when I visited my cousin last year. It was a great feeling. This is the whole idea behind OC is to inform the public and the police and to exercise our rights.
pinghead105 1 month ago
you dont under stand, when crimanls see people with guns on there hip. it avoids the problem
racingrobert1 2 years ago 5
@racingrobert1 sometimes it does. but some criminals see it as an opportunity to take the weapon. they know its unloaded and they might think your a cop, they might kill you for a little street credit.
matchesison 1 year ago
@snjbisk Yes, there are no rapes, murders, muggings, armed robberies, gang violence, ect. The world is full of happy butterflies and unicorns.
Here is a fact. Criminals DONT OPEN CARRY. Criminals hide their handguns, because A: they are usually felons and are not legally allowed to have a gun, and B: Open carrying a handgun makes them extremely conspicuous. If you see someone with a pistol on their hip you should honestly feel safer.
GadgetsNGear 1 year ago
I defended you in a few comments here Aya, that being said Im also going to agree with ytfp, not a good method to OC. I OC myself, and have OCed my AK a few times going to the gun store, but I even saw very poor situational awareness here. You didnt even seem to notice the woman enter the store behind you. Overall a poor OC experience
YllwFvrPB 2 years ago
OK, so it wasn't perfect. I won't debate the perceptions you had, because the point of the effort wasn't primarily situational awareness. Actually it wasn't that at all. I need a sling, yes. I hope to have one soon. But the main thing was to get out and perform, which I did, as opposed to sitting back and not doing it out of fear or conditioning. I certainly don't think you should do nothing because you're afraid of not doing it perfectly.
AyatollahGondola 2 years ago
Please dont think Im saying you shouldnt do it, Im very glad you are. I personally didnt approve of your particular method but I get what your saying. I OC myself every day and am a strong supporter of it. My perceptions are my own, and you are happy with your performance, thats all that matters. Ive had one police encounter and I wasnt happy with how I did, but its a learning experience right? You get better as you go. Keep it up, we need more of it out there.
YllwFvrPB 2 years ago
Even being an advocate of open carry, I disagree with this method of carry. Your long gun or shot gun should be on a sling and not openly carried in the hand. Have some common sense at least if your going to open carry. Have it in a sling or in a holster. This method will get you shot eventually and may be justified as clearly brandishing.
ytfp 2 years ago
@snjbisk
If everybody exercised their right to open carry, then nobody would even trip; Not even cops because they would be used it, and know the laws (which many currently don't). Even those cops who didn't or wanted to check the guns, couldn't possibly check everyone's gun and would ultimately stop doing it, thus ensuring our right to carry. In most states you can open carry a loaded firearm. CA is one of the few that doesn't allow it. CA allowed it until 1967. See video: watch?v=OYWz7BEEg1k
SkylineToTheSeaAndMe 2 years ago
The more people do stupid stuff like this, sooner or later the politicians will even ban open carry. You are not helping gun rights by throwing common sense out the window.
spectre143 2 years ago
So if I am to understand you correctly, you are afraid that excercising a legal right will lead to it being made illegal?
Are you fearful of losing all of your rights this way, or just the carry right?
Your fears seem misplaced to me. I'm not the one that can take away your rights.
AyatollahGondola 2 years ago
So because you have never seen,heard or read about it, means it wont/could never happen?
snjbisk 2 years ago
Youre ridiculous.
snjbisk 2 years ago
OMG, with each post you prove to be more and more ignorant! Of course OC without incident CAN happen! And more often then not will. But what about the one time it doesnt?
snjbisk 2 years ago
Never saw an Oc'er attacked. Never heard of an OC'er being attacked. Never read about an OC'er being attacked. And it looks like I won't see a video from you depicting one, or showing the great dangers you warn of.
Looks like the odds favor open carry from my standpoint.
AyatollahGondola 2 years ago
Dude, its those kind of posts that make your "cause" sound even more ridiculous. I don't need to make you or anyone else believe what I'm saying could happen. I have seen such things many times. Not against an OC person yet, but the OC concept is a new thing. It will happen
snjbisk 2 years ago
Well I just showed you that OC without incident can happen.
AyatollahGondola 2 years ago
depicting what exactly?
snjbisk 2 years ago
Your point of course.
I made a nice video, and you have critiqued it with challenges and recriminations replete with possible scenarios. Mine's real life; not hypothetical or fictional. Show me the real deal about why I shouldn't OC this way
AyatollahGondola 2 years ago
i made my point i guess
snjbisk 2 years ago
Well, you could make a video depicting it like I did
AyatollahGondola 2 years ago
Exactly they saw you had the gun and came to check things out! And yes i dont think you should OC but im not saying you cant. See the difference? No sir, you carry a shotgun around you need to be more on guard than even the officers. The reaction by police for gang banger s jumping you and taking your gun isnt as the same reaction is they did it to a cop. The punks know that. To them its a free shotgun. Just have to beat up this guy for it.
snjbisk 2 years ago
You think the police don't constantly go over "hypothetical situations" in thier mind??? They do, everyday! They train for those situations. Maybe it hasn't happened before, but they know it could.
snjbisk 2 years ago
Police encounter hostile situations as a matter of course; I do not. I meet more decent people per minute than they do, so it stands to reason they need to be more on gaurd than do I
AyatollahGondola 2 years ago
did u even notice the worker at :38 who comes in behind the clerk? Obviously he was doing that to come ck out the situation (the shotgun) then he walks around to your side and opens the door to where you are at :50. Tell me what u would do if a man that size decided to take that shotgun from you at that moment.,,,nothing. You're right, what im doing is talking about "what ifs", but if all you do is live in the moment as youre suggesting, then its to late when it does happen. Damage will be done
snjbisk 2 years ago
The people you mentioned saw what I had prior to me going to the office. They already knew.
AyatollahGondola 2 years ago
Yes, obviously im against OC. But what im telling isnt not to open carry, but to have better judgement when you do. Carrying around an empty shotgun for anyone to see,leaving it leaning up against the counter while you conduct business is just plain irresponsible. Your attitude about "the punks werent in this event though" just proves how ignorant you are about scenerios like that. The point isnt that it didnt happen, its that it easily could. The fact that i have to explain that is scary too!
snjbisk 2 years ago
Sure you did tell me I shouldn't open carry. re-read your previous statements here.
It is my opinion that you're having a knee-jerk reaction to this. Nothing happened here. You presume I wasn't capable of managing a situation had one arised. You're the paranoid one
AyatollahGondola 2 years ago
Where are you getting this "citizens shut up and do what they are told" theory?! Who stopped you from going to the grease monkey? Who told you what to wear? Who told you you couldnt go wherever you wanted to that day? Who told you not to look at porn? Youre fighting a battle that pretty much doesnt exist. Quit being so paranoid! And how are they "hypothetical punks" when they do exist and it has happened before? I fear people like you, not the punks.
snjbisk 2 years ago
Geez, I thought you were telling me not to open carry. My mistake. Where were the punks in this event though? Or are you just paranoid about them?
AyatollahGondola 2 years ago
Thats just it. Nobody is forcing you not to exercise this right. Just to excercise good judgment. In my opininon OC of any firearm is not good judgement. Only law enforcement should "OC". Thats not saying citizens cant, but as a judgement call, only officers should. And your lacksadaisical attitude on what could very easily happen in the future is whats scary about you "OC" people. It's an attitude that police officers don't possess when it comes to "hypothetical scenerios".
snjbisk 2 years ago
Yeah, I'm sure there are a few people that feel that we should leave reporting the news to accredited journalists, 'cause someone else might start a panic. So cops carry guns, press agents carry the news, and citizens just shut up and do what they're told by both.
I'm not lacodasical; I refuse to live in fear. look at you...you fear hypothetical punks. Might be best if you directed your efforts towards punks, as they seem to be the root of the evil. With punks out of the way we're both safe
AyatollahGondola 2 years ago
And why is it that "only officers should"? It can be taken as well. It has happened quite a bit. They arent "better" than you or I. Why do they do it? Deterrence. Show of force. Ease of access. These arent the sole realm of a LEO.
YllwFvrPB 2 years ago
Nope, I encourage excercising all of ones rights when need be for a good cause. I discourage idiots who put other people in danger just because they feel it's their right. Its legal for you to walk around with a shirt displaying the worst cuss words ever too, but would you do it just to "excercise your rights", even though it meant young kids would be able to read it? Like i said, there is a right way and wrong way to make your point.
snjbisk 2 years ago
Well, I'm not an advocate of profanity, but it's not just a point I'm making. If someone (you or a prosecutor) can force me to stop, it's not really a right. I might add that this exchange all started over a non-existent danger. No punks, idiots, or families were harmed during the filming of this movie
AyatollahGondola 2 years ago
"Need be for a good cause" you say. I see no need or cause that you offer your opinion. Yet its your right. Im sure the owner of the video is offended by your arguments, just as you seem to be by his valid and legal mode of carry. Catch my drift?
YllwFvrPB 2 years ago
lol kidding* is what i meant to spell.
snjbisk 2 years ago
Carrying a loose shotgun and a sidearm in a holster with safety locks are completely different! And u stated your reasoning for carrying was to help keep "tyranny at bay". Are you keeding me!? That's how you choose to do it? Ridiculous. Whats more ridiculous is that you apparently feel tyranny is so rampant or imminent that you must carry a shotgun to prove youre a free man! David Koresh lives!
snjbisk 2 years ago
I choose to do it several ways. This is but one. This one is for my second amendment right, but I also keep tyranny at bay with my first amendment right. I make use of most of them, but not all yet. You see this one excerpt of my life and judge me on that. But then again, maybe you just don't like guns. Or do you discourage free speech as well?
AyatollahGondola 2 years ago
You miss the point entirely. You are pretty much advertising to everyone in public that you have this shotgun. And by the statements of almost every member I have seen on youtube belonging to your "movement", self protection is one of the main reasons you all OC. Point is my "hypothetical situation" could easily happen. When it does it could be my wife and kids that get shot with your shotgun that you pretty much gave to the badguys! But i'm sure you won't understand this.
snjbisk 2 years ago
I got your point. I shouldn't have a gun because it might get taken away from me by punks. I would tend to agree that many in the OC movement want to carry to protect themselves from criminals. That is not my primary reason.
AyatollahGondola 2 years ago
you are an idiot because that could have easily been a group of punks that saw you walk into that place with the shotgun. What would you do if a group of them took that gun from you by force. That gun was unloaded per pc12031 and certainly you didnt have any rounds in your pocket. So that shotgun could easily have been taken from you, and you left with no way to stop them except for your "spiderman like" fighting skills im sure.
snjbisk 2 years ago
That did not happen though, as well as any other hypothetical situations that you might offer. I might also add that a group of punks could just as easily broke into my home and stole my gun while I was showering.
Anyway, we were at a jiffy lube, so maybe one of their employees could have greased 'em. (ha!)
AyatollahGondola 2 years ago
Its called "Situational awareness". Ask a cop or soldier about it sometime. Its key to OCing, or Concealing for that matter. Everyone should do it, but few do. Try it
YllwFvrPB 2 years ago
youre an idiot
snjbisk 2 years ago
Why do you say that?
AyatollahGondola 2 years ago
And your anti american. He has the right to do this. Arguing that he shouldnt is trying to restrict his rights. In my state that would be a Misdemeanor 1 :)
YllwFvrPB 2 years ago
I`m all for carrying a gun but to leave it leaning against the counter and walk away from it was totally stupid,loaded or not some jerk may have walked in just at that same time and smashed you over the head with it.Guess what,some idiot then has a shotgun.You are not very good in the ways of [as you put it] "part of your program is teaching other users the practice of carrying your firearms in public" your first concern should have been the shotty,not the cam.
2000tc88 2 years ago
Maybe you're right. I'm old school, and as such am not always expecting a crime to occur. So if you're in the area, maybe you can meet up and give us pointers.
AyatollahGondola 2 years ago
AyatollahGondola, I don't understand when you say that you're
"old school" , and as such am not always expecting a crime to occur."
I thought that was one of the reasons folks wanted to be free to carry a gun was so that if a crime were to occur then criminals would not be the only ones with the guns.
...or maybe you are a hunter?
TroopsPostTrauma 2 years ago
Well, I am a hunter, but the reason I keep firearms is also to protect liberty. Crime occurs all the time, and guns don't always stop it. You can be killed in a drive-by, having never seen the criminal, and maybe they never saw you. But standing up for your rights and freedoms is something you do to keep tyranny at bay.
AyatollahGondola 2 years ago
i'm in Elk Grove. let me know when the next meet is on.
mavue 2 years ago
so what jiffy lube was this? are there in UOC meets or groups in Sacramento?
mavue 2 years ago
It was near hwy 50 and Zinfandel. Yes, there have been a few UOC meetups here. Two in a restaurant and one road clean up. I go out once in awhile, and if you're local you can join me.
AyatollahGondola 2 years ago
hahahahahahahahahahahahah why did u tape it, to see reaction?
annielwhite 2 years ago
It's part of our program to teach our other associates and users how to practice carrying your firearms in public places, and still remain within the law
AyatollahGondola 2 years ago
If you dont want pressure sales from a JL, carry a shotgun with you :) Like when the JL salesman agreed that the air filter can go a bit longer
naughtydorf18 2 years ago
get a sling next time or at least change your own oil hahaha
ReplacingBox 2 years ago
Damn!!!!! Walking with a gauge, hey Ayatolla, is that legal here in LA?
12GaugeLosAngeles 2 years ago
I think so but its better if its in a shotgun holster cuz a cop could get awway with offing you for that
ima open carry a hand gun when i get one
QUESTED 2 years ago
I'd check local regulations, but this is a state law we're practicing here. There may be some additional city or county codes that apply, but they cannot infringe upon your state laws
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