Hillary Clinton declares 'gay rights are human rights' .wmv

[choochie57]

Ok! I am tired of the bible being pulled into the gay rights movement. Yes I am Christian,to be exact I am nondenominational Christian I praise the lord Jesus in heaven above ok!? And yes the bible says being homosexual is abomination but it also says eating shellfish is an abomination ( :/ ) and if that's the case a lot of us are goin to hell. I guess Wat I'm saying is I support gay rights 100% and I do read the bible and praise Jesus but ya no I can't do everything the bible tells me.....

[ludvan67]

@choochie57 As there is no hell or heaven you won't be going anywhere after you dead.

[kcvenus]

Love Hilary! please don't give up?

We need you.

[btonyb123]

hi

[threesistersrock]

I support gay marriage 100%

[threesistersrock]

@jayahs, if you don't like to marry gay, don't marry gay. But if other gays are in love, let there be love! Don't please bother happy couples just because you are miserable yourself

[threesistersrock]

@jeyahs

[christianbookcompany]

How come she only started standing for Gay rights when it was time for re-elections? She doesn't really believe a word she is saying.

[ludvan67]

@christianbookcompany Judging from the comments coming from the US. (I'm pretty sure your from that place) her speech would seem counter reactive to her parties election prospects. Comming from the educted background she does, I believe she is sincere in what she says.

[jeyahs]

Isaiah the prophet said, in chapter 5 verse 20, “Woe to those who call evil good, and good evil; Who substitute darkness for light and light for darkness; Who substitute bitter for sweet and sweet for bitter.”

[ludvan67]

@jeyahs Yeh, and you were there when he said it . Idiot.

[jeyahs]

historic speech? this speech is on the WRONG side of human history and... it is already on the trash heap of human history.

[jeyahs]

This lying harridan supports the "human right" to murder at any whim up to the last day of pregnancy any unborn child paid for by taxpayers. 55 million killed in the USA alone- thanks Hillary!Thanks to her & Bill pornography was released (another Human right) to the internet- all our children watch the most horrible bestial scenes of group rape & bestiality & r ADDICTED to it. lives & marriages are destroyed through this & the gay agenda. May Hillary & Obamination Obama lose political power asap

[ludvan67]

@jeyahs Strange all the negative comments come from the US. While the decent understanding ones are from the UK. Reason the US is saturated with TV religion, and the in UK most people don't subscribe to religion or believe in God. Americans are morons.

[ludvan67]

@jeyahs It's a woman's prerogative to decide what to do with her unborn child, it's none of your business, and of course comming from the capitalist US you had to mention money. I bet you are against abortion, but support the death penalty. Hypocrite!

[PeaceOfTruth]

@jeyahs Do you even know what you are saying? Do you even have an idea how much tax money go to abortion and how little abortion is in percentage as compare to all the other services provided by planned parenthood? None of the governmental funded money go to abortion procedures, it goes to contraception, testing and treatment for STD and cancer screening. On top of that, abortion is only 3% of all the other services they provide annually, the money for it comes from fees and donations.

[jeyahs]

homosexuality finally is about a man sticking his penis or fist into the anus or mouth of another man, urinating & defecating on him,S&M,group orgies hundreds of sexual partners young men with colostomies etc while the press &HRC paint a sweet rosy lying, picture of two committed loving males sweetly wanting "rights" (while buying children from impoverished surrogates.) Anyone who does not approve of this is violently libeled & abused as"hateful." Homos are not oppressed they are now oppressors

[jeyahs]

according to UN 150,000 Christians are murdered- martyred every year by Moslems,not

2mention the millions who are raped beaten disfigured girls kidnapped houses burned down blinded lose their careers etc. This harridan Hillary said nothing ab this.Her husband brought adultery& lies to our whitehouse.Bill could have stopped it but chose to let porn online- now the majority of males from age 11 on are ADDICTED to it. She also stands for the "human right" to murder the unborn- 55 million in USA.

[jeyahs]

homosexuality finally is about a man sticking his penis or fist into the anus or mouth of another man, urinating & defecating on him,S&M,group orgies hundreds of sexual partners young men with colostomies etc while the press &HRC paint a sweet rosy lying, picture of two committed loving males sweetly wanting "rights" (while buying children from impoverished surrogates.) Anyone who does not approve of this is violently libeled & abused as"hateful." Homos are not oppressed they are now oppressors

[ludvan67]

@jeyahs "homosexuality finally is about a man sticking his penis or fist into the anus or mouth of another man,". All that you describe is also done by heterosexuals.

[jeyahs]

our nation needs a major reality check a RESET. the term Gay pride is an oxymoron, such as perversion pride adultery pride, promiscuity pride etc. God/Christ says that it is shameful, an abomination. The rise of homosexuality indicates the last stages of moral rot of a society. Perversion will eternally never have anything to do with human rights or marriage. Homos are not discriminated agains-t they are now aggressive intolerant heterophobic haters & persecutors of our society.

[ludvan67]

@jeyahs You are blocked I don't like bigots.

[nomester95]

@jeyahs I'm sorry, but you're just pathetic. We are who we are. And who we are is none of your business! If you don't like it, just turn a blind eye like the Pope does to children raped by Priests. I was baptized, so I'm a part of gods family. He wouldn't have made me the way i am if it was wrong. I know i wasn't a mistake. Because I'm a successful musician. And if my family (heavily Roman Catholic) and their church can accept me, then so can you. We don't bash Hetero's, they bash us.

[ludvan67]

@nomester95 Sorry as I've blocked him, he won't get your post at least I think that's how it works. Would you like me to unblock him?

[nomester95]

@ludvan67 Fuck him, I just HAD to get that off my chest. Humans are born free. Point made.

[RIJtv]

Os EUA, como sempre na VANGUARDA dos movimentos destruidores da Família... Oh that`s orgy. Mas, para isto se manifestou o Filho de Deus ( JESUS ) para desfazer as obras do diabo. 1 Carta do Apóstolo João cap. 3 , vers. 8

[ludvan67]

@RIJtv Religious bigot.

[pedy19]

@RIJtv Por favor, O "Deus" é apenas uma criação do ser humano. Caso não saiba ser gay é algo natural e, como acontece em mais de 450 espécies (todas elas inteligentes) de animais, e só apenas no ser humano é discriminada essa particularidade comportamental. Não se esqueça que a religião foi e é uma das causas principais de guerras e chacinas desde sempre, o cristianismo não é exepção violando portanto o mandamento mais importante que seria o "amar-se uns aos outros como a vós mesmos".

[ludvan67]

@pedy19 I'm not even going to bother to have your comment translated.

[lightandbeautiful]

Please visit my channel for the unpopular truth about homosexuality.

A person does not need hatred or any kind of phobia in order to acknowledge important differences between heterosexuality and homosexuality. Even non-religious people know this.

The homosexual agenda is not good for anyone, including those who consider themselves "gay".

Homosexual activists, with support from the media, have successfully framed themselves as noble victims; it's an effective way to push a social agenda.

[ludvan67]

@lightandbeautiful They are just people with a different sexual preference just leave them alone! Your channel says nothing. When I was young in the UK it was a crime to have homosexual sex. The film Victim with the gay actor Dirk Bogard help decriminalise that. Lesbians were OK because Queen Victoria had said that she did not believe that women did "that". Homophobia comes form the Bible. Where it says the penalty for being Gay is death. Leave them alone! Hitler killed them.

[jeyahs]

@ludvan67 they r left alone but they will not leave us alone. they r trying to force their perversion upon all society. they have enslaved obama obamination &hillary& Bill2 retool our society,2 replace eternal truth with a lie. They want 2 redefine, 2pervert marriage & the family. They want to impose their life styles on us. Wake up! perverts are not discriminated against. They are hateful heterophobes out to force their agenda on all of us. Homos-do your repugnant shameful acts & leave us alone

[ludvan67]

@jeyahs you are nasty bigoted person. Why can't you understand that 2 people of the same sex can love each other. There is heterosexual perversion too. What is repugnant to you, is natural to others. Oh why do I bother with rubbish like you. Don't bother to reply, I won't read it, I'll just delete it. You sick.

[jeyahs]

@lightandbeautiful there is nothing at all on your channel- no content- the Dawkins thing is meaningless- put up some information.

[nomester95]

Homosexuality exists in over 450 species, homophobia only exists in one... which one seems unnatural now?

[ludvan67]

@nomester95 That's very interesting. I know that it exists in are primate cousins, and I mention it in a video I made on my Youtube channel Called no Need for Religion. I know you can't tell all the 450, but if you could mention a few, or direct me to where I could find out what are the species. As for homophobia only existing n Humans, well the animals are lucky they don't have religion.

[kalacs32]

@ludvan67 "well the animals are lucky they don't have religion" I would just point out two things, though.1, Religion doesn't equal Christianity. Some religions out there like spreading Neopaganism are tolerant towards LGBT. 2, Even in Christianity there're accepting people.Religion can easily be abused to "rationalize" human stupidity, but it's still humans that are at fault and not religions, which's major aim would be spreading compassion, peace and understanding.I meant no offense.

[ludvan67]

@kalacs32 No offence taken why should there? When I blame religion, I mean the Judeo-Christian one. In the Torah it says the penalty for being a homosexual, just being, not even practising it, is death. You say human beings are at fault agreed. As a non believer from the Jewish faith. Humans invented religion. Soon both counts we are at fault. I'm somewhat surprised how much debate this little video has caused.

[pedy19]

@ludvan67 I don´t think you really understood it though. I am gay and I was actually saying gay is natural and I also share your vision about religion - I mean We created a god that dominates us. "I won´t even bother translating" didn´t seem appropriate.

[pedy19]

@ludvan67 I don´t think you really understood it though. I am gay and I was actually saying gay is natural and I also share your vision about religion - I mean We created a god that dominates us. "I won´t even bother translating"  didn´t seem appropriate.

[pedy19]

@ludvan67 I don´t think you really understood it though. I am gay and I was actually saying gay is natural and I also share your vision about religion - I mean We created a god that dominates us. "I won´t even bother translating" didn´t seem appropriate.

[ludvan67]

@pedy19 I'm a bit confused. I was replying to a comment not in English. Previously I had received 1 in Portuguese "unfriendly" to Gays. During the time I replied to you, I was very angry from receiving so many homophobic comments all religious based. I apologise to you most profoundly. It was those comments that decided me to use the approve option. BTW your comment arrived 3 times. Nice to get a positive comment.

[pedy19]

@ludvan67 It´s alright lol I had to reply in portuguese so the "commenter" clearly understood what I meant totally. Religion is a fake people should be over it by now.

[ludvan67]

@pedy19 I have now translated your comment, and agree whole heartedly. As the song says: All we need is love!

[1classywoman]

@nomester95 both

[mattryanz]

this speech is just amazing

[GenItay]

I was gonna make a gay joke, butt fuck it.

[magpielemis1]

This made me like Hillary Clinton 1000x more.

[Gboyke]

Gay Rights are Human Rights! No one should be in jail because of love! Because of who you are! Because you are born that way! Straight people also don't choose to be straight, well, gay people neither! Respect the LGBT-community! Anti-gay laws must be repealed everywhere!

[G41MCombo]

your husband didn't like your mouth what makes you think rest of america likes what comes out of it? STFU

[G41MCombo]

Sorry hillary but we  americans hate fags.

[ludvan67]

@G41MCombo And who elected you to talk for the 300,000,000 of your fellow citizens.

[jonjon4401]

@ludvan67 - This lesbian leech Hilary Clinton doesn't give a damn about the American people, it's all about adding to the lie and deception. She is a sodomite, and the rest of those evil politicians are trying to destroy everything that made American strong in the beginning. This witch should be locked up and ignored, not Ron Paul.

[ludvan67]

@jonjon4401 For your information J Edgar Hoover the one time head of the FBI was a Homosexual, and a cross dresser. He persecuted Gays so as to hide his secret. There is also speculation that he was behind the assassination of Robert Kennedy. So you see some of those that made America great were gays too. There are good& bad gays for the simple reason they are just people like everyone else, just with a different sexual orientation.

[ludvan67]

@jonjon4401 You're the type of person that will lead to the US' downfall, because your ignorant, rude, and insulting. What made America strong was stealing the land from the indigenous people, and nearly wiping them out. That's called genocide. Who is Ron Paul? Must be stupid with a first name as a surname.

[duxallinarow]

Sorry @G41MCombo, but we Americans hate bigots. We hate homophobes. We hate small-minded people. If the foo sh1ts ...

[wesafree]

@G41MCombo speak for yourself, please.

[brndnrckn]

amazing.

[NJandDavid]

Not living in the US it always shocks/entertains me just how many wacko religious people there still are in what is supposed to be one of the most advanced countries on earth. The bible, is ancient and racist, sexist and yes, homophobic. It advocates slavery as long as the slaves are not from neighboring countries for goodness sake! So you can't have a Canadian slave but a Australian would be fine.... IT'S ALL CRAP! I thought you people were well educated??

[ludvan67]

@NJandDavid Americans are for a country that is supposed to be the leader of the western world very ignorant. In the last century only 20% of them travelled abroad, that includes all the service personnel.

[pyr666]

@ludvan67

its important to realize what "abroad" actually physically entails.

me driving to the other end of the US would be the equivalent of you going through *looks at profile* 2 or 3 of your neighboring countries.

[ludvan67]

@pyr666 Your just one person out of 300,000,000. I was under the impression that there are many airports all over the US, with many connecting hubs. So why do you have to drive? From my understanding US citizens are not the most worldly informed, say compared to their European counterparts. I must stress I have not been to the US, and base my opinion on what I have gleaned from reading, and other sources plus what I know of your history during my life time.

[AllMuscle1]

@ludvan67 I would interject that such misunderstandings grow into overstatements, generalizations, and speculation. Instead, I think this would be the model of a moment where we sit down, exchange food, and let us tell one another about the culture into which we were born.I am fascinated to learn about cultures far and wide, their histories, perceptions, and their vision for the future. Just think of what can be accomplished by working together and listening instead of well...looks up.

[AllMuscle1]

@ludvan67 I happen to agree with your point, but there is something to be said about living in a large, diverse nation. The distance from New York City to San Francisco would take you from Madrid to Moscow - visiting all of the cultures in between. America is a vastly diverse place with interesting subcultures in every niche.I would like to see a scientific study done on people from larger, populous nations and their rate of travel outside the borders compared against the smaller ones.

[AllMuscle1]

@ludvan67 On a quick aside, I was just curious as to the source of your statistic. I would like to look it up and conduct research on the subject. Moreover, I have met many ignorant French, English, German, Italian, Malaysian, Indonesian, Filipino, Australian, Zimbabwean, Brazilian, Costa Rican, Mexican, and Canadian people possessing just as much ignorance. Culture requires that one understand from within it. I lack the expertise and understanding of yours. Do not judge my own.

[bigbuffwhiteguy]

@NJandDavid

WHAT BIBLE ARE YOU READING?!! Cause that is not the King James version Bible. Your sadly confused my brother. Pick the Holy bible up and read it. Let the glory of God be magnified. amen.

[jonjon4401]

@NJandDavid - You'd put a piece of trash lesbian leech sodomite scum like Hilary Clinton ahead instead of trusting God? Hilary Clinton is a new world order operative who wants a large number of Americans dead, as does that lying Bi-sexual snake Barry Soetoro, look it up. This government isn't gonna save you or anyone else, they went people like you in FEMA camps, this is all a distraction, look it up. You do not want to trust these demons. If anything, trust God, it's not too late.

[Pilgrim812]

Bravissimo!

[ludvan67]

@Pilgrim812 Nice to get a positive comment.

[jonjon4401]

Hilary Clinton is a lesbian. That witch along with this evil government is trying to shove homosexuality down our throats & talk down about God, so they can carry out their chemical warfare operation to depopulate the world. That woman is pure evil.

"In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion." [Romans 1:27]

[ludvan67]

@jonjon4401 You talk about God, but did he not say he created people in his own image. So the conclusion is if there are people who are same sex oriented, God is to blame. Any way you can't blame people for the way they are born. Hitler murdered Homosexuals. So you are casting yourself along with the most evil man of the 20th century.

[jonjon4401]

@ludvan67 - So I'm evil for speaking the truth about it and trying to wake people up to what's really going on? You support Hilary? Maybe you should check out this video which more proof, maybe it'll wake you up. The government is the real evil here.

Gay people are created by the government

watch?v=r2w2TRxSLxw

[ludvan67]

@jonjon4401 No I don't support Hilary. A. I don't live in the US. B. I don't like her. This video is about human rights, not Mrs Hilary Rohdam Clinton. Gay people are born that way it's been scientifically proven. Some of the greatest minds in human history were Gay. Da vincy, Michelangelo, Tchaikovsky, & many others whom I can't recall now. Do a Google on famous homosexuals & lesbians. And you will see how much the world owes to these people in art, science, Music, etc. 

[ludvan67]

@jonjon4401 You sent a video that i have not approved. I don't understand why you want to persecute these people for being different. The Bible was written by human beings, as it treats woman as second class people obviously by men. Pat Robinson (i think that's his name) is like all these so called preachers just after making money. Be nice love all your fellow humans. It's none of your business what they do with their sexual organs. Do unto others as you would be done by!

[willybobdoody]

Hillary Clinton is a piece of shit

[ludvan67]

@willybobdoody Well it takes one to know one!

[willybobdoody]

@ludvan67 ouch that's not nice

[polyglotdream]

So.. does this mean Rick Perry will be fired soon?

[ludvan67]

@polyglotdream Who the hell is Rick Perry. You are probably an American, and assume that everyone should know about your personalities. arrogance!

[polyglotdream]

@ludvan67 yup I'm Canadian.  Rick Perry is the gov. of Texas and is broadcasting an anti-gay ad on American TV. And I'm not arrogant, but thanks for assuming that.

[ludvan67]

@polyglotdream Well the ad should be removed, and should not have been allowed in the first place. Don't the stupid yanks have some sort of watch dog on what is a allowed to be advertised on TV? In the UK they have Offcom.

[polyglotdream]

@ludvan67 It's hard to do when he's the governor and he was voted in. He wants to run for 2012 Presidency, so keep an eye out. Although I think he ruined his chances with the ad. It was anti-gay and anti-anything that's not Christian.

[ludvan67]

@polyglotdream Sorry I don't understand "It's hard to do when he's the governor and he was voted in" so what. The USA holds itself up as the bastion of Democracy. Sounds more like a dictatorship. I'm not Christian, I'm Jewish from the UK living in anti-gay Israel that has just sent a disgraced president to prison for rape. Anyway if the USA carries on down its present path it will sef destruct. Be glad you live in Canada.

[polyglotdream]

@ludvan67 Sorry, It's difficult for the US media to ban a government sponsored video. I think it is actually part of his campaign, which he has the right to run. The US gov is self destructing in many ways. I am glad to be in Canada, however our current gov is starting to follow the states. We're all a bit worried.

At least your ex-pres went to jail, South Africa voted in a known rapist. The whole world is a bit messed up. I'm really praying that it gets better. Take care.

[ludvan67]

@polyglotdream You too

[ludvan67]

@polyglotdream Sorry Canadian.

[enuvune]

i don't see why bi gets wrapped up in the whole lesbian/gay/trans thing. everyone's a little bi. and i haven't had any hate or discrimination towards myself.

[ludvan67]

@enuvune That's like a Jew saying "why all this fuss about anti-Semitism I haven't suffered any myself". Disgraceful.

[enuvune]

@ludvan67 i am jewish... no it's not the same. wtf...

[ludvan67]

@enuvune Well so am i, and i don't agree.

[enuvune]

@ludvan67 everyone is entitled to their own opinions.

[ludvan67]

@enuvune True, but your previous statement "everyone's a little bi" is a very broad one. Personaly I find the thought of having sex with another man abhorrent. Even watching two men kissing in a film is hard to take. But of course all peoples have the right to peruse there own sexuality their own sexuality. That's why I put the Vid' up.

[ThewarriorofCHRIST1]

gays are not people. They should be arrested for high treason against the Lord thy god that created them. Enough said.

[ludvan67]

@ThewarriorofCHRIST1 Just read what you said. "Lord thy god that created them". If this mythical God created Gays [in his own image] how are they doing anything wrong?

[seinesalz]

For once, I agree with her.

[TigerTCowC]

I was going to tell a gay joke, butt fuck it.

[77lherman]

Hillary Clinton,put your big & corrupt nose in your country not over the world.

[1968godspeed]

America is going to hell! Gay rights! You have the right to stop doing each other (same sex). If this world had only gay people it would parish on less than a hundred yrs, because two men or two women cannot reproduce. And you are not born that way you have a choice....try Jesus he will set you free.

[ludvan67]

@1968godspeed A Single woman can reproduce. Her own DNA can be inserted into an egg of her own where normally a man's sperm would be. She then would reproduce a clone of herself. This has been done with animals eggs in the lab'. So you're wrong like the rest of what you posted. It's been scientifically proven that gays & lesbians are born that way. There is a good possibility Jesus was gay, travelling around with only men, they must have been having a great time, and why not.

[pyr666]

@1968godspeed

gay people can and do reproduce.

but lets try this argument on something else:

if the whole world were men (or women), we'd definitely be screwed. does that make men evil?

"And you are not born that way you have a choice."

all available data disagrees.

[serviceman1979]

Our government is fighting for the right of fellow lgbt individuals abroad but they still DENY us lgbt Americans of some 1,800 right every day. Practice what you preach Uncle Sam. Where the H*LL are our rights as LGBT individuals in the U.S.

[racewalkking13]

she needs to run for president.

[ludvan67]

@racewalkking13 No way the woman is a turn off.

[chevychase]

God bless Hillary Clinton and the Obama administration for this beautiful, wonderful and important speech.

[ryandaltex]

I like the speech, we should be working on full equal rights right here in the United States first! 

[Immaknunkelhel]

Clinton and Obama don't give a damn about lgbt. The reason they pretending to care, is to bring wars to countries that do Not condone such cave man behaviors.

[pyr666]

@Immaknunkelhel

obama repealed dadt. small steps.

[Immaknunkelhel]

@offthahook08 Ashe!!! Nuff said.

[offthahook08]

Eff that Reptilian Itch!!!!

[vmemak]

Good speech, but I dont find it legendary, because it should have been done much more earlier!!! Friendly!:greetings and love from friendly and beautiful Belgrade, Serbia!!!

[volatileffervescence]

@Pizuzuzimmer It is persecution for how a person is, nevertheless. It is a direct attack on human rights and it is being punished accordingly, the same way countries are subject to scrutiny every year for abuse on its citizens.

[Morgantransgressions]

Funny that the US has decided to fight discrimination against LGBT people in other countries when they still discriminate against us in this one.

[warjakeboy]

well about time USA

[misscharliejoseph]

my name is charlie joseph and i am proud to say im goiong to sit on hilary clintons face

[MegaSawasawa]

@ ludvan67…1950 the GA declared anti-apartheid policy. Yet in US foreign policy toward SA, as towards the rest of the world, was determined more by cold war demands & profitable economic ties than by denunciations of apartheid. Even Kennedy was reluctant…until Congress...in 1986. [1986 -1950=? Why decades?]

The US is ONLY invoking ‘human rights’ card with a view to advance its ‘national interest’ or boost its governance… US has lost leadership to China!

[ludvan67]

@MegaSawasawa Politics is a dirty business. No matter what the reason behind this statement the fact that it was said by such a high profile person in the US administration is very important. I'm sure the LGB community won't object to this. China; don't make me laugh. China is raping Africa for all it can get.

[MegaSawasawa]

@ludvan67 China takes minerals in exchange of e.g road construction. USA takes minerals in exchange of 'good governance'/'human rights'. And give aid to our Politicians, and then turn around and say they are corrupt. Yes most people would agree Politics = Dirty Business.

The solution in my view is to intensify & expand the ‘occupy movement(s)’ across the world. The objective is only one. To Transfer Power.The formula is here: 50% to the people, 30% Government and 20% Private Sector.

[ludvan67]

@MegaSawasawa We've stayed from the subject but anyway I'll answer you. The USA's record is not a good one, but believe me as bad as they have been China will be worse. The occupy movements look good on TV, but will achieve nothing. I'm a socialist. So from my perspective the only solution is REAL Socialism not what was portrayed as such in the USSR. Rule by the masses, that's the working class. Even GLB's will benefit, but there will have to be a war before change will happen.

[MegaSawasawa]

@ludvan67 Occupy movement has already demonstrated concrete results in Tunisia & Egypt though not quite there yet. What are the key attributes of the REAL Socialism?

Shifting to East, China in particular is not an option even for the US. I'm sure you agree with this one. Imagine the impacts in US if they withdraw the 1.3 trillion $ already invested?

[ludvan67]

@MegaSawasawa I'm sorry I don't wish to insult you, but you're naive. All the movements of the Arab spring will come to nothing. In place of the dictators, will come a bourgeois government just like in the US, Europe, & your own South Africa. The poor in S. Africa are still poor!

It's precisely because the Chinese have invested so much in the US, that they can't withdraw their money. It’s an investment that means they are caught in the same capitalist trap that all are caught in

[MegaSawasawa]

@ludvan67 And your solution is REAL Socialism. So I asked what are the key attributes of this tool? you said “but there will have to be a war before change will happen.” Is this one of them? In addition to those attributes please substantiate with examples where such a tool worked.

[ludvan67]

@MegaSawasawa The key is Marxism as in Das kapital, or in his Communist Manifesto. As i said previously the USSR was not an example. On a pure full state example there in none. Marx said socialism could only work in a rich society, The Russia of 1917 was not the right place for it to work, though it did achieve great strides, mainly in production of weaponry that enabled it to defeat Nazi Germany.

[MegaSawasawa]

@ludvan67 OK thanks. I only see the surface of what you are trying to communicate

so l am not convinced at least at this stage. So I wouldn't call you naive.

[ludvan67]

@MegaSawasawa I did not mean to be rude. I wish you peace.

[ludvan67]

@MegaSawasawa Because The only place were socialism worked on a small basis within a state were the Kibbutz in Israel were I spent a year+ on 2

The social changes that happened in the 20th Century came about because of war. In the 1st the aristocracy declined giving rise to the middle class, also women became liberated moving into the work place in both wars. The next one that has already started, should (for those that are left) bring even further social equality. Sad aint it

[MegaSawasawa]

@ludvan67 I conclude that you and I share the same sentiments. But we differ in approach. I wanna thank you for your input which added another

layer to consider in-depth readings...

[MegaSawasawa]

@rg0057 Thank you for clarifying what the video is about & I respect your right to speech. I Agree with ludvan67’s & flaggerify’s view points.

Why no human rights interventions from US during genocide in Burundi & Rwanda? Remember the ‘Never Again’ vow. Then we have NATO in Libya for human rights… Hillary hypocritically laughed after Gaddafi’s … [absurd! only Satan laugh at human’s death]

[mbryant45701]

Nay-sayers, haters, bigots, [explicit]; think and say what you will. You will never know. Our people have safety and shelter from execution, torture, humiliation for the first time in modern history.

[MegaSawasawa]

The USA has lost both the leadership & legitimacy with regards to inter alia finding world peace, poverty alleviation & mitigating climate change. No state has a right to tell others what to do or not to. U can cut all the foreign aid. After all, it doesn't effectively reach the poor people.. You stole/keep stealing a chunk of ur wealth from Africa anyway.

So please Lady Satan, Shut the f up!

[ludvan67]

@MegaSawasawa I agree with a lot of what you say. The only reason I put this up is the message that we are all the same, and that no person should be hounded or discriminated or in some cases in Africa put to death for being homosexual. Also you could have commented with out using a profanity, and use correct English "u" "ur".

[ludvan67]

@MegaSawasawa You should also remember it was the sanctions imposed against apartied South Africa by other nations including the US, that brought that monstrous regime to an end. Yes the US and Europe have committed crimes against the 3rd world, but that does not mean they can't tell those nations to clean up their act as they have done regarding this issue.

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