i would like to say something about all of this. back when i was 16, i could have beat both of these women just throwing a punch. i came from a different background, and went into olympic taekwondo, and got fed up with it cause i was knocking women down 5 feet back into the ground and they were saying that i "pushed" these women. and nia has a bad attitude, and notice how lopez "accidentally" thru a groin or thigh shot in after 'nia" episode.... poor excuse for martial artists on any level
Na when u see the video slowly, Diana kicked the back of the arm guard n got Nia in the corner of the back of the chest protector, i do believe Nia should have won that fight because she made 3 clear shots, but the sport of Taekwondo now is all about popularity. Nia should have won. sorry Diana ur my idol n all, but she should have lost.
Geez Guys ! Taekwondo not about allegations or who you believe who should be coach or not the fact is the Lopez's have 3 fantastic fighters despite what you think and its very rude to have arguements on someones Video ! you should write commenst about the fights
The Lopez family works hard to achieve their goals, amazing how easily years of training and personal engagement get shattered by an unfortunate event. And - why wouldn't you focus on your own family? It is one of the most natural things to do.
Both fighters have great skills and we all know that competition outcomes do not always necessarily reflect who is better overall, some luck is always part of the game.
It might be natural for the average guy or girl, but the head coach of America's team shouldn't be so biased. Hence why he should never have been coaching the team to begin with.
This fight was totally and undeniably Nia's. I have nothing against the Lopez family, but i have heard that coach Gene Lopez only focuses on his siblins in practice, and the rest of the team members are coached by the assistants. It is very sad to see that even in this wonderful sport, corruption and this sort of stuff this is present. Diana took Nia's rightful spot in the olympics. That's because Gene is in good standing with the Olympic tkd committee. How shameful, that politics and money
This was totally and uterlly Nia's fight...i have nothing against Diana or the Lopez family, but ive heard that Gene Lopez only focuses on his siblings for training and the rest of the team is coached by the assistant coaches. This fight was totally tied to politics, the olympic committee wanted the "Lopez Family" to go to the olympics, hence, they took this fight from Nia. Plus Gene has a good standing with the committee. How sad to see how even in this beautiful sport, corruption is present.
Nia landed 2-3 clean hits that went uncalled. All of us who've done point fighting know of the "hatin" that goes on,and that's why we're exhorted so much to finish the fight. Diana has skills,but Nia is better and Nia got robbed. Period.
not wanting to take anything away from Diana, but that was CLEALY Nia's fight. This is one of the reasons I never took that big of an interest in Olympic TKD competitions. Totally biased and undecisive victories.
Anyone read the new Lopez book? Wow, what classy people. They make Floyd Mayweather look positively humble.
First off, Diana "clearly" won the fight with Nia, scoring multiple hits, with Nia as a sore loser who just wanted to start trouble. Second, they call a penalty for Steven the "Steven Lopez Effect"--meaning the judges are just jealous of how handsome, awesome, and successful he is and want to take him down.
And don't even get me started on how they gloss over poor Charlotte Craig.
that wasn't a clean hit. it look like it hit the backside/arm but still the purpose of sudden death is one clean hit. that meaning easily perceptible and is a no shit sherlock. nia's kick was by far more cleaner and powerful
Be quite u are not even close to as good as she is and some of u dont know how hard u have to make your kick pop and it as to be hard because that was a qualifier and those are pretty hard so just be quite
totally agree, for suree an arm shot and suspicious that it was one of the only kicks she threw for the whole sudden death...nia was definately more aggresive.
Omg, why the fuck do they raise there arms everytime they kick, its the same with steven... My teacher says if i ever do that he will break my arms.. cause its not what a real sportsmen do .. its just wrong
why do soccer players raise their arms and shout "goal" after a score?.... why do football players hi-five after a TD?.... why do boxers raise their arms after the final bout?... is this not what real sportsmen do?
raising the arms is a what sport-TKD competitors call "celebrating".... Celebrating is used to convice the judges that you just scored a point.... also to play your mind game with your opponent. When I was competing heavily in TKD, i would celebrate as well.
this is actually very similar to what Kendo players do when they score points.... except they call it "Zanshin" .. look it up
In soccer or football i can understand it, but as seen in many TKD fights people often score on that kinda shit with raising arms, you cant trick people like that in soccer of football. i have tryed fighting someone that did that, and i totally lost my mind and kicked the snot out of him. cause i cant take it, it pisses me of to see people try to score easy points like that, i just say that if you are skilled TKD fighter you wouldnt need cheesy tricks like that :)
no its not..... look up kendo.. and "zanshin".... also, I guess you can call every single olympic TKD athlete a cheater.... because just about every single one of them does it.
It's wrong because it's someone trying to trick the ref into giving them a point they didn't earn. Similar to all the diving in Soccer. Sure, everyone does it, but that doesn't make it right.
thats why tournaments suck. too much politics. and toward the end, that was no point at all. that was no shocking blow. it was set up for the blue person to win.
perhaps what i meant to say is that there should be a professional level....
it seems those arts never evolve past amateur.
would probable be great to see a pro tae kwon do vs karate fight,and actualy recognise the fighters,i dont think anyone would know who they are after the fight tournaments,you hardly see their faces,and they might deserve recognition ;)
A full-contact TKD match isn't going to resemble the average UFC match. There's still going to be a lot of bouncing and tentative movements. As for Judo or JuJitsu, why? They'd be better off supplementing their style with boxing or something with emphasis on hands.
Ive been in alot of tkd matches..and the protection really isnt much..i still get bruised ribs..shins..muscle contusions that last for days.. My heel hurts from spinning hook kicking some guy..If you take a full force back kick or round house..your going down...trust me.
im on your side atatkd true. helmets dont stop people from getting knocked out. it doesnt mean the person is weak or anything its just the person has a strong kick. thats how our body is madeto do amazing feats
I'm not flimsy....This is sport not real life..in real life you come at me? I'm not saying anything..im just going to fuck u up. But I love the sport : p its fun.
well i am not trying to discredit the art but i still believe a PRO level would completely avoid this kind of ending such as this video where you wonder if the kick connected or not or who
when one falls down or gets knocked out or quits then there will be no controversy as to who won
possible perfecting skills in a reality situation,greatly improving the art i think ;)
that was pure bullshit, nia won that fight, and she got 3 clear points from my view. nia scored so many, but then again had no points. bull shit fight, wrong result, and fucking curruption inbetween the judges, - pure bull shit
From watching the video....there is no clear angle to tell if either competitor scored...plus the sounds messed up on the video so u can't hear if anyone scored....if u watch Nia's kicks, there is no clear shot of her getting a point, all her kicks were to the back side where Diana's arms were, so it might have been arm shots on Diana, and also you can't tell if Diana scored or not from the angle of the camera, her foot might have went past Nia's arm, but the angle shows it as directly on it
Diana is a good fighter but Nia totally hit that last kick when Diana tried to do the fast kick. I think USAT should get unbiased judges or use electronic hogus!
It's sad that a supposedly respected martial arts magazine would even go near someone like her.
If anything, Craig should have been competitor of the year. A teenager who made it to the Olympics, and without anyone throwing fights or giving her wins.
i think that charley is much better than the lopezes....she's got only 1 kidney and she's doing TKD...her doctors told her not to do any contact sports...but look where she is now! she competed at the olympics!!!!!
I do taekwondo and I love sparring. I should be in the international team because I'm good enough but I just don't do tournaments because I hate fighting with rules...
USA Taekwondo Ignores reality and keeps putting the wrong team on the floor... despite adequate time and resources Jean Lopez failed to make satisfactory headway in gaining a gold medal team ... time for a new coach and a new team. Misguided efforts!!
Why the thumbs down? It's clear now that the entire family is involved the Olympic committee will be looking to have them come back for another go round, especially since they didn't win gold.
Jean should never have been coach in the first place, not with Steven as the reigning champ, and he certainly should have been removed after the allegations made against him.
But if she did, we wouldn't have VISA commercials telling us about the unmatched struggles the Lopez family went through to get to the Olympics. We wouldn't know how much better they are than us, and that would be a travesty.
As for TKD, it might get lost since so many people hate it now--but then it might not, as many nations want to keep it as it means an easy medal for them.
But as much as it is a shame for the Cuban to do what he did, I think it'll make the judging better. Judges cannot just go about making the kind of decisions they made.
Like the live commentary said, "I don't agree with the judges decision, but I don't condone the Cubans actions."
The Olympics should have world class judges for an event such as the Olympics. But instead they got last minute rejects lol
I'm anxious to see who the USA will have in London 2012. I'm betting on all the Lopez to make a comeback...whatever it takes LOL!!!
I don't see Diana Lopez having a shot a Gold ever. If Korea puts someone in her weight class, Lopez would get ripped apart assuming she yells her way into the finals.
Heck, put in Kyungseon and Sujeong and we'll STILL destroy Lopez in her own weight class. LOL!
This is so funny though in Korea. How Lopez are trying to pull off this stunt. And they failed LOL!
I said that and admit that Steven and Mark Lopez are world class and very good, BUT said that Diana sucks =_=.
Steve and Mark are GOOD. Diana is bleh.
I admit this, Mark and Taejin should have been in a 4th round, but Mark wasn't given the point when Taejin scored in the final seconds. Also the Korean judge who took away Steve's point was harsh, because so many pple complain how Steven uses his leg to block lol. Fair? No.
I don't get it. You can't block with your legs, you can't block with your hands (or risk giving them a point), you can't do stop-hits with your feet, you can't punch in the head, or, as I suspect, even punch--so what the hell else is left?
You actually can block with feet, because it's a shady area to rule. Someone could just kick and then complain it was block while others say it's just a kick at same time. But blocking with legs is kinda "dirty". Steve never should have gotten a point deducted, but honestly, I don't know why. Everything in Beijing was inconsistent. Because everyone used that foot step/raise to kinda lure the other person. Judging was just a mess. I think TKD will be removed after London 2012. I don't know though
dont think it will...out of all the one on one sports, this is the most honorable, with very few calls being publically criticized...it is what i like about tkd, and what i find disturbing about many of the comments here...but i dont fight competively, so im coming from the arena of someone who enjoys the sport because it keeps me active and healthy
i dont know why they made a lot of changes in beijing, far too strict, forcing fights 2 agressive, horrible point judgement, basically just messing it big time.
i did not like how beijing was handled. beijjing in general was horrible as far as judging. i only like opening and closing ceremonies.
if you need a close up to see points, then every point should be reviewed by replay then winner announced at the end of match after full review.
in the olympics the closeups they showed proved that points shouldnt have happened, etc also they rarely changed anything with appeals. only GB won an appeal, and greece was given a head kick...in the last event. all the closeups just proved there are missed calls.
im not defending anyone....im saying that this is not a closeup...that kicks that seem to land may not have, but the roundhouse kick to the back from diana to nia seems to have landed...but i cant be sure, cuz this is not a great vid...at the olympics, they did show closeups of kicks...but im in agreement with everyone...it seems that international rules on what is considered a good hit/kick seem to need to be firmed up
Maybe you're thinking of someone else who got raped.
But back in the day, when Jean was a competitor, he "allegedly" tried to rape Mindy Meloon, who later ended up on the American team. She didn't say anything about it until he was made coach, then she filed a police report and tried to have him replaced--but instead the governing body kicked her off the team, which left a position Craig ended up taking.
wait...you say nia won the above match, yet you say that charley got raped in her match, even though, if you watch the tape, she lands a head kick, good for 2 pts, in the closing seconds
yeah shes pretty terrible. I guess when there is fame you just win fights by just standing there. Nia needs an agent maybe then she could get some respect.
OK in the first minute of the video... Nia kicks Diane 3 times.. the last of the 3 times. Diane go to the mat??? Sudden Death.. isnt it the first to score to win??? Nia, won several times before Diane's phanton kick won the fight... Maybe having 2 brothers going to China,, gets you a win and the judges were just waiting for Diane to get a kick out there to score the fight in her favor.. NO that COULDNOT BE IT! Clearly it was!
this really isnt a close up...the vid quality sucks and the sound is off...so i have no clue what was happening....i did see diana score with a roundhouse to the back
look guys and gals, unless they can figure out a sensor system...judging remains subjective
I don't see how it can be THAT subjective. A hit is a hit. Not scoring several of them, then awarding a point for a mere glance isn't subjective judging--it's either incompetence or willful cheating.
Maybe it should be dropped. The matches are decided on nothing more than a whim--and the judges are clearly incompetent (witness the Sarah Stevenson kick that went unnoticed).
The stupid-ass jigging back and forth, the lack of head punches, and the dumbass noises the fighters make (especially Diana) all combine to make it a freakin' circus. If I practiced TKD I'd be embarrassed by the whole thing.
You must be fucking blind!!. Nia probably scored at least 3 points before getting cheated by that ghost kick. Unfortunately, this shit also happened in the recent olympics. Watch the fight between Miguel FERRERA RODRIGUEZ (HONDURAs) vs Guo ZHU (China) in the round of 16 - 80kgs. The Honduran guy clearly won the fight (they didn't count his head knock down on the chinese guy!!)
That happened to everyone going up against a Chinese fighter.
They say there isn't bias because the host country doesn't have more judges than anyone else--but it seems to me there is pressure to give the host country as lopsided a chance as possible. There's just no other way to explain what happened at these games.
Appeals shouldn't be so common. If they are, something is wrong with the sport. Subjectiveness is one thing; it's another to blatantly ignore scoring hits and randomly assign points.
As for Diana, sure, she'd probably beat you in a straight-up "Olympic" style match; but I wouldn't put my money on her in an actual no-rules fight.
Um, no I would destroy Diana in an Olympic setting. Sorry it's not even funny. I would so destroy Diana in TKD.
Diana is so slow and unskilled. She has very good basics that's it. A solid fighter, nothing more.
Do not judge me, because your assumptions are oh so wrong. I watched Diana enough to know a likely outcome if we fought by Olympic TKD ruling. I am in the same weight class at Taejin and Mark. 6ft3, long legs, Korean blood. I would also destroy you.
btw....like i said before, this is not a very good vid...you cant see if any of nia's kicks landed cleanly...and diana definitely lands a roundhouse to the back...it was not a ghost...it landed...but the vid is still not clear
Funny how they caught the Lopez family paying off so that Diana would win to make both parties millionaires, Diana just straight up sucks, yeah her brothers are great but she is horrible.
Nia's still a contender, but what do you guys think of her chances for the next Olympics? Odds are Jean will still be coaching the team, and one or even two of the Lopez siblings will be on it--but after the stink she raised about Diana, I wonder how she'll be treated.
I've never commented on a video...but that was just ridiculous. I could see the match going until sudden death but there were at least 2 points scored before Diana's phantom kick.
I've watched Ivett Gonda's match today, and I feel that tkd doesn't have an olympic future with this type of judging.
I watched the video several times and believe that finally it was a point but Nia had scored twice before and didn't get any. What's going on with this Lopez family, are they controling the whole US TKD society or what?
ok i have 1 thing to say be mad at the refs not diana because diana and nia are very close friends and the refs were told to send diana to beijing because it would make for a better story and more publicity for the sport of tea kwon do and yes i am qualified to say this because i noe all of the lopez family because they spent a summer training under my dad and diana is nothing but nice so stop calling them names
There's such a thing as moral courage: doing what is right even if it hurts. If Diana knows she didn't deserve the win, she shouldn't accept it. She should have supported Nia's appeal instead of just going along with the decision.
I hope that bitch and her filthy cheater family get what they deserve in the olympics, it would make me the happiest person ever to see them knocked down in the first fight! LOL
i would like to say something about all of this. back when i was 16, i could have beat both of these women just throwing a punch. i came from a different background, and went into olympic taekwondo, and got fed up with it cause i was knocking women down 5 feet back into the ground and they were saying that i "pushed" these women. and nia has a bad attitude, and notice how lopez "accidentally" thru a groin or thigh shot in after 'nia" episode.... poor excuse for martial artists on any level
theloveofthesunshine 3 months ago
SOO UNFAIR!!!!!
rupert0911 5 months ago
This is why sudden death doesn'f belong in a fighting sport. This isn't soccer. Can you imagine a Mayweather/Pacqiao bout being decided by one touch?
PubliusAfricanus 7 months ago
Nia won that fight. It's just that Diana is a Lopez, who can do whatever they want.
AsianBoyLoveRice 7 months ago
wow... that was terrible... ANYONE could see that was a hit to the arm. they should have disputed that.
electricmanja 11 months ago
This does not represent martial arts at all.
HollywoodKendrick 11 months ago
OMG!!!!! Nia was robbed.
Takbir0505 1 year ago
fuck this video!
MrJordopaul 1 year ago
Na when u see the video slowly, Diana kicked the back of the arm guard n got Nia in the corner of the back of the chest protector, i do believe Nia should have won that fight because she made 3 clear shots, but the sport of Taekwondo now is all about popularity. Nia should have won. sorry Diana ur my idol n all, but she should have lost.
MsLuly65 1 year ago
Geez Guys ! Taekwondo not about allegations or who you believe who should be coach or not the fact is the Lopez's have 3 fantastic fighters despite what you think and its very rude to have arguements on someones Video ! you should write commenst about the fights
elitetornados2010 1 year ago
that was bull........
tkdsk8er 1 year ago
@tkdsk8er how many times do you have to hit to score a point?
HollywoodKendrick 1 year ago
@HollywoodKendrick once
tkdsk8er 1 year ago
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HollywoodKendrick 1 year ago
What's the song.
owainmeurig 1 year ago
This is very hard to watch. USAT favors the Lopez's.. the only way to beat them is knock them out... oh hey aaron :)
rockergirl532 1 year ago 4
I talked to Nia personally, she wanted it so bad. She's freakin hilarious xD
Diana is my idol so i won't say anything bad about her but.....
Nia won that shit !
bnmbnmbnmjasmin 1 year ago
Unbelievable....what a rip off....Nia had at least one, maybe two points, that did not register on the scoreboard.
opchagi 1 year ago
Lopez's winning kick didn't even hit the chest gaurd.. it was the arm gaurd...
cinimo293 1 year ago
i like it when the blue bounce her ass. like a sex machine.
Insomaniaartist 1 year ago
this is bullshit, Diana dind't deserve to win,Nia had 2-3 clean hits , Nia Def. won this match ,poor her for being robed from her medal.
LillBG 1 year ago
The Lopez family works hard to achieve their goals, amazing how easily years of training and personal engagement get shattered by an unfortunate event. And - why wouldn't you focus on your own family? It is one of the most natural things to do.
Both fighters have great skills and we all know that competition outcomes do not always necessarily reflect who is better overall, some luck is always part of the game.
TKDFlap 1 year ago
@TKDFlap
It might be natural for the average guy or girl, but the head coach of America's team shouldn't be so biased. Hence why he should never have been coaching the team to begin with.
PubliusAfricanus 1 year ago
hmm well we shall agree to disagree
ICP2291 1 year ago
Worst video ever!
potboy321 1 year ago
That wasnt the winning kick! She scored a point earlier and when the time ran out she raised her hands. When Nia fell down that was from a side kick.
HollywoodKendrick 1 year ago
This fight was totally and undeniably Nia's. I have nothing against the Lopez family, but i have heard that coach Gene Lopez only focuses on his siblins in practice, and the rest of the team members are coached by the assistants. It is very sad to see that even in this wonderful sport, corruption and this sort of stuff this is present. Diana took Nia's rightful spot in the olympics. That's because Gene is in good standing with the Olympic tkd committee. How shameful, that politics and money
pichin9 1 year ago
This was totally and uterlly Nia's fight...i have nothing against Diana or the Lopez family, but ive heard that Gene Lopez only focuses on his siblings for training and the rest of the team is coached by the assistant coaches. This fight was totally tied to politics, the olympic committee wanted the "Lopez Family" to go to the olympics, hence, they took this fight from Nia. Plus Gene has a good standing with the committee. How sad to see how even in this beautiful sport, corruption is present.
pichin9 1 year ago
nia was my subsitute teacher for taekwondo
binhdo12 2 years ago
Nia landed 2-3 clean hits that went uncalled. All of us who've done point fighting know of the "hatin" that goes on,and that's why we're exhorted so much to finish the fight. Diana has skills,but Nia is better and Nia got robbed. Period.
ATACXGYM 2 years ago
not wanting to take anything away from Diana, but that was CLEALY Nia's fight. This is one of the reasons I never took that big of an interest in Olympic TKD competitions. Totally biased and undecisive victories.
nikolastynan 2 years ago
Anyone read the new Lopez book? Wow, what classy people. They make Floyd Mayweather look positively humble.
First off, Diana "clearly" won the fight with Nia, scoring multiple hits, with Nia as a sore loser who just wanted to start trouble. Second, they call a penalty for Steven the "Steven Lopez Effect"--meaning the judges are just jealous of how handsome, awesome, and successful he is and want to take him down.
And don't even get me started on how they gloss over poor Charlotte Craig.
PubliusAfricanus 2 years ago
yeah nia got at least three clean hits
hgrier3 2 years ago
k aburrido pero emocionant xD!
MsZhikitita 2 years ago
never should have even gotten to the sudden death in the first place. amazing nia didn't lose her cool. classy girl
dulcechristo 2 years ago
its a shit style .competition.
jaky222 2 years ago
OK that was totally HORSE SHIT!!!! And don't try to tell me I don't know this shit. I have done this most of my life. That looked totally unfair.
mmayan 2 years ago
fck that! soooo UNFAIR!! the kick wasnt even in!
klojah 2 years ago
i have to admit that Nia is very talented to! both her and Diana are good! but i think Nia should of one that! theres always going to b bia's judges!
0marGurl95 2 years ago 2
They suck just knock there ass out
GalaxyConvoy73 2 years ago
that wasn't a clean hit. it look like it hit the backside/arm but still the purpose of sudden death is one clean hit. that meaning easily perceptible and is a no shit sherlock. nia's kick was by far more cleaner and powerful
MrGamerschannel 2 years ago 2
zARE U KIDDING ME!!!!!!!!
oshkaproductions 2 years ago
Be quite u are not even close to as good as she is and some of u dont know how hard u have to make your kick pop and it as to be hard because that was a qualifier and those are pretty hard so just be quite
umacatkd 2 years ago
totally agree, for suree an arm shot and suspicious that it was one of the only kicks she threw for the whole sudden death...nia was definately more aggresive.
gggsssrrr 2 years ago
That's such a load of crap. Nia should have won.
backkick320 2 years ago
W T F IS THAT ? cheating shit
que mierda de pelea
kobrakaikiller 2 years ago 2
Nia clearly won this BTW
jomama124 2 years ago 2
1:08 hit right under the arm..... cmon... that shoulda been point
jomama124 2 years ago 2
Omg, why the fuck do they raise there arms everytime they kick, its the same with steven... My teacher says if i ever do that he will break my arms.. cause its not what a real sportsmen do .. its just wrong
wingwangman 2 years ago
why do soccer players raise their arms and shout "goal" after a score?.... why do football players hi-five after a TD?.... why do boxers raise their arms after the final bout?... is this not what real sportsmen do?
jomama124 2 years ago
raising the arms is a what sport-TKD competitors call "celebrating".... Celebrating is used to convice the judges that you just scored a point.... also to play your mind game with your opponent. When I was competing heavily in TKD, i would celebrate as well.
this is actually very similar to what Kendo players do when they score points.... except they call it "Zanshin" .. look it up
jomama124 2 years ago
In soccer or football i can understand it, but as seen in many TKD fights people often score on that kinda shit with raising arms, you cant trick people like that in soccer of football. i have tryed fighting someone that did that, and i totally lost my mind and kicked the snot out of him. cause i cant take it, it pisses me of to see people try to score easy points like that, i just say that if you are skilled TKD fighter you wouldnt need cheesy tricks like that :)
wingwangman 2 years ago
So a fancy way of cheating. Got it.
PubliusAfricanus 2 years ago
no its not..... look up kendo.. and "zanshin".... also, I guess you can call every single olympic TKD athlete a cheater.... because just about every single one of them does it.
jomama124 2 years ago
just search "olympic tkd" and watch the first video
jomama124 2 years ago
Answer: It's not wrong if everybody's doing it.
Good to know.
PubliusAfricanus 2 years ago
Its not wrong.... its just a normal part of the sport..... similar to Kendo and "zanshin".... please just look it up....
also I'm curious, why do you think it is wrong?
jomama124 2 years ago
It's wrong because it's someone trying to trick the ref into giving them a point they didn't earn. Similar to all the diving in Soccer. Sure, everyone does it, but that doesn't make it right.
PubliusAfricanus 2 years ago
Well, seems thats going to stop now with electronic scoring..: p
atatkd3stripe 2 years ago
Bad example. Boxers don't do a victory celebration every time they land or miss a punch.
PubliusAfricanus 2 years ago
thats why tournaments suck. too much politics. and toward the end, that was no point at all. that was no shocking blow. it was set up for the blue person to win.
HollywoodKendrick 2 years ago
red shoulda won....shit happens
mompa32 2 years ago
dev..pelos
destrohell 3 years ago
Nia did actually hit a great point at the back when diana "scored" but the judges only saw lopez's "point"
because of it, usa won bronze in beijing when nia whon silver in athens
feeer8 3 years ago
what i hate about karate and tae kwon do point fighting tournaments,there so lame.
the art is good but the fighting tournaments are not,i think they should be without the pads and at least a 5 rounds system,a ring would be nice ;)
MDCT 3 years ago
Those kicks hurt. Who's going to let their kids fight without pads?
PubliusAfricanus 3 years ago
perhaps what i meant to say is that there should be a professional level....
it seems those arts never evolve past amateur.
would probable be great to see a pro tae kwon do vs karate fight,and actualy recognise the fighters,i dont think anyone would know who they are after the fight tournaments,you hardly see their faces,and they might deserve recognition ;)
MDCT 3 years ago
I don't know. Most TKD people seem rather...flimsy. I couldn't see them taking too many non-protected kicks and punches without shattering.
PubliusAfricanus 3 years ago
exactly...without a professional full contact its rather incertain what the art is worth in actual combat
i mean if you mean to defend yourself or a loved one you want to be sure you can do what your training to do.
in my opinion tae wkon do and karate need to be mixed with judo to be more effective.
also not sure what grappling abilities kung fu has if any,would also benefit from jujitsu or something ;)
MDCT 3 years ago
A full-contact TKD match isn't going to resemble the average UFC match. There's still going to be a lot of bouncing and tentative movements. As for Judo or JuJitsu, why? They'd be better off supplementing their style with boxing or something with emphasis on hands.
PubliusAfricanus 3 years ago
Ive been in alot of tkd matches..and the protection really isnt much..i still get bruised ribs..shins..muscle contusions that last for days.. My heel hurts from spinning hook kicking some guy..If you take a full force back kick or round house..your going down...trust me.
atatkd3stripe 2 years ago
im on your side atatkd true. helmets dont stop people from getting knocked out. it doesnt mean the person is weak or anything its just the person has a strong kick. thats how our body is madeto do amazing feats
MrGamerschannel 2 years ago
'taekwondo people'
a race of people genetically inferior in their ability to take a shot.....
you win the nobel prize good sir
TKDFighterJoe 2 years ago
Sounds like a Mixed Martial Artist to me.
PubliusAfricanus 2 years ago
I can take a hit..can you?
atatkd3stripe 2 years ago
I'm not flimsy....This is sport not real life..in real life you come at me? I'm not saying anything..im just going to fuck u up. But I love the sport : p its fun.
atatkd3stripe 2 years ago
You sound very flimsy. Sorry.
PubliusAfricanus 2 years ago
are you kidding me?????? coming from a Tae Kwon do black belt
-you will get SERIOUSLY get bruses, by other hand and when people kick you
-5 rounds???you can barley last 2?? the armour, the kick you do and the injurys you get will get you tired in seconds...
-a ring??? that one might be ok, but that to american
yondime123 3 years ago
well i am not trying to discredit the art but i still believe a PRO level would completely avoid this kind of ending such as this video where you wonder if the kick connected or not or who
when one falls down or gets knocked out or quits then there will be no controversy as to who won
possible perfecting skills in a reality situation,greatly improving the art i think ;)
MDCT 3 years ago
ya that is kind of true
yondime123 3 years ago
they both hit and judges split calls
CanadianDude15 3 years ago
Just a tad crazy WTF was that at 1:09 all im gonna say bout that.
ICP2291 3 years ago 6
@ICP2291 the shot at 1:09 didn't hit the target area. It was low. It was rightfully not counted.
notjulie 1 year ago
that was pure bullshit, nia won that fight, and she got 3 clear points from my view. nia scored so many, but then again had no points. bull shit fight, wrong result, and fucking curruption inbetween the judges, - pure bull shit
Flow4v 3 years ago 16
@Flow4v I agree...the points were so obvious...Nia loss this match before it even started.
HollywoodKendrick 1 year ago
From watching the video....there is no clear angle to tell if either competitor scored...plus the sounds messed up on the video so u can't hear if anyone scored....if u watch Nia's kicks, there is no clear shot of her getting a point, all her kicks were to the back side where Diana's arms were, so it might have been arm shots on Diana, and also you can't tell if Diana scored or not from the angle of the camera, her foot might have went past Nia's arm, but the angle shows it as directly on it
TaeKwonDoDUDE1 3 years ago
you can't score a point based on the sound of a kick...It happens but I personally don't score points i don't see for myself
AlaskanTKDKid 3 years ago
it was reds fight by a mile, something seemed a miss. Is it just me or does Lopez Snr look like the cop off of family guy
scottallan77 3 years ago 5
Diana is a good fighter but Nia totally hit that last kick when Diana tried to do the fast kick. I think USAT should get unbiased judges or use electronic hogus!
squashthegiggles 3 years ago 5
nia won this fight she got like three clean points and knocked diana over i bet nia wouldve won at the olympics anyway
wordd2011 3 years ago 5
Diana's now in the Blackbelt hall of fame: competitor of the year.
Gag me.
PubliusAfricanus 3 years ago
Hall of shame
crisss2001 3 years ago 9
It's sad that a supposedly respected martial arts magazine would even go near someone like her.
If anything, Craig should have been competitor of the year. A teenager who made it to the Olympics, and without anyone throwing fights or giving her wins.
PubliusAfricanus 3 years ago 6
Hey, I thought someone was going to die!!! I DEMAND MORE VIOLENCE!!
Robopencil 3 years ago
Someone did die.
PubliusAfricanus 3 years ago
i think that charley is much better than the lopezes....she's got only 1 kidney and she's doing TKD...her doctors told her not to do any contact sports...but look where she is now! she competed at the olympics!!!!!
cadiebear 3 years ago 4
The Lopez Family Scam!!
crisss2001 3 years ago 5
10-seconds in: What the hell is she celebrating?
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beachboyzsg 3 years ago
I do taekwondo and I love sparring. I should be in the international team because I'm good enough but I just don't do tournaments because I hate fighting with rules...
xilicon 3 years ago
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000422QUEEEN no one i noe them both personaly so u need to stop talkin out of ur ass
meatwad314 3 years ago
Wtf taekwondo is really nice i like wtf taekwondo
jiyasth1990 3 years ago
how well do u know them "personally"??? i train with charley and she's an awesome fighter!
cadiebear 3 years ago 2
USA Taekwondo Ignores reality and keeps putting the wrong team on the floor... despite adequate time and resources Jean Lopez failed to make satisfactory headway in gaining a gold medal team ... time for a new coach and a new team. Misguided efforts!!
crisss2001 3 years ago 3
Expect the exact same line-up next time around; plus or minus Charlotte.
PubliusAfricanus 3 years ago
Why the thumbs down? It's clear now that the entire family is involved the Olympic committee will be looking to have them come back for another go round, especially since they didn't win gold.
PubliusAfricanus 3 years ago 2
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PubliusAfricanus 3 years ago
The first move should be to get rid of Jean as the coach. A dam shame!!
crisss2001 3 years ago 4
Jean should never have been coach in the first place, not with Steven as the reigning champ, and he certainly should have been removed after the allegations made against him.
PubliusAfricanus 3 years ago 16
Nia should have represented the USA, we could have had GOLD!!
crisss2001 3 years ago 6
But if she did, we wouldn't have VISA commercials telling us about the unmatched struggles the Lopez family went through to get to the Olympics. We wouldn't know how much better they are than us, and that would be a travesty.
PubliusAfricanus 3 years ago 18
She kicked her brother azz better than this fight and them two was doing it on a commercial!!
TamalaHaleCena 3 years ago
With wires, no less.
PubliusAfricanus 3 years ago
i was surprised that tkd didn't get any tv coverage. many coaches and athletes, etc were very upset on how judging, etc was handled in the olympics.
u can catch all the action online though at: nbcolympics . com
but tkd should be in the olympics, but i wouldnt be surprised if it was removed later in the future, if things arent straighten out.
the cuban should have never been DQed also lol
LVL95ForumTroll 3 years ago 2
The Cuban should have been shot.
As for TKD, it might get lost since so many people hate it now--but then it might not, as many nations want to keep it as it means an easy medal for them.
PubliusAfricanus 3 years ago
Shot? Harsh words for punishment.
But as much as it is a shame for the Cuban to do what he did, I think it'll make the judging better. Judges cannot just go about making the kind of decisions they made.
Like the live commentary said, "I don't agree with the judges decision, but I don't condone the Cubans actions."
The Olympics should have world class judges for an event such as the Olympics. But instead they got last minute rejects lol
LVL95ForumTroll 3 years ago 2
They don't even have world-class athletes. Good luck getting decent judges.
PubliusAfricanus 3 years ago 2
oh i meant world class athletes as the best in the world as in competition and skill, not manners, haha ;]
but yea, if it's the world series or nba championship, you wouldn't want some random guy from the street to ref?
LVL95ForumTroll 3 years ago
I'm anxious to see who the USA will have in London 2012. I'm betting on all the Lopez to make a comeback...whatever it takes LOL!!!
I don't see Diana Lopez having a shot a Gold ever. If Korea puts someone in her weight class, Lopez would get ripped apart assuming she yells her way into the finals.
Heck, put in Kyungseon and Sujeong and we'll STILL destroy Lopez in her own weight class. LOL!
This is so funny though in Korea. How Lopez are trying to pull off this stunt. And they failed LOL!
LVL95ForumTroll 3 years ago
i get it...you are racist against all non koreans
if steve stinks, how did he stay undefeated for so long?
oh, and he beat plenty of koreans
brabon 3 years ago
What? Lol
I'm not racist. I never said Steven stinks...>_>
I said that and admit that Steven and Mark Lopez are world class and very good, BUT said that Diana sucks =_=.
Steve and Mark are GOOD. Diana is bleh.
I admit this, Mark and Taejin should have been in a 4th round, but Mark wasn't given the point when Taejin scored in the final seconds. Also the Korean judge who took away Steve's point was harsh, because so many pple complain how Steven uses his leg to block lol. Fair? No.
LVL95ForumTroll 3 years ago
I don't get it. You can't block with your legs, you can't block with your hands (or risk giving them a point), you can't do stop-hits with your feet, you can't punch in the head, or, as I suspect, even punch--so what the hell else is left?
PubliusAfricanus 3 years ago
You actually can block with feet, because it's a shady area to rule. Someone could just kick and then complain it was block while others say it's just a kick at same time. But blocking with legs is kinda "dirty". Steve never should have gotten a point deducted, but honestly, I don't know why. Everything in Beijing was inconsistent. Because everyone used that foot step/raise to kinda lure the other person. Judging was just a mess. I think TKD will be removed after London 2012. I don't know though
LVL95ForumTroll 3 years ago
dont think it will...out of all the one on one sports, this is the most honorable, with very few calls being publically criticized...it is what i like about tkd, and what i find disturbing about many of the comments here...but i dont fight competively, so im coming from the arena of someone who enjoys the sport because it keeps me active and healthy
brabon 3 years ago
the judging in Beijing was horrible worst ever
athens was so much better
i dont know why they made a lot of changes in beijing, far too strict, forcing fights 2 agressive, horrible point judgement, basically just messing it big time.
i did not like how beijing was handled. beijjing in general was horrible as far as judging. i only like opening and closing ceremonies.
LVL95ForumTroll 3 years ago 2
if you need a close up to see points, then every point should be reviewed by replay then winner announced at the end of match after full review.
in the olympics the closeups they showed proved that points shouldnt have happened, etc also they rarely changed anything with appeals. only GB won an appeal, and greece was given a head kick...in the last event. all the closeups just proved there are missed calls.
LVL95ForumTroll 3 years ago
Honorable? It's horribly unimpartial down to the bone. And since when is calling someone on a screw-job dishonorable?
PubliusAfricanus 3 years ago
Wait, are you defending Diana Lopez in this video? LOL!
Do you really think she won? Or that this video is "unclear"? LOL! -.-
Let's just be glad that you're not judging for the Olympics, if you think such.
I think YOU might be a little racist.
;]
LVL95ForumTroll 3 years ago
Even if she won the sudden death match, it never should have gone there in the first place.
PubliusAfricanus 3 years ago
im not defending anyone....im saying that this is not a closeup...that kicks that seem to land may not have, but the roundhouse kick to the back from diana to nia seems to have landed...but i cant be sure, cuz this is not a great vid...at the olympics, they did show closeups of kicks...but im in agreement with everyone...it seems that international rules on what is considered a good hit/kick seem to need to be firmed up
brabon 3 years ago
I knew it!!! My comments earlier were correct, LOL!
Diana seriously is not even good. If Nia went to Olympics, she would have gotten the US a Gold Medal.
But oh well USA, LOL. KOREA has owned once again! LOL!! YES~! ^^
Diana has no chance of winning a Gold in the Olympics.
I was impressed with Mark Lopez though. Steve I admit that the Korean ref was harsh, LOL! ^^
And what's up with the USA bringing in that 17 year old blond who got raped? LOL! Tsk tsk USA.
Lopez coach + Family plan = LOL!
LVL95ForumTroll 3 years ago
It was the girl she replaced who ALMOST got raped by Lopez, not Craig.
PubliusAfricanus 3 years ago
Hm? Please explain, sorry I'm not understanding this.
Who replaced who and who almost got raped by Clopez? I thought Craig *the blond* was on US team and got raped in Beijing. Didn't even make it far?
LVL95ForumTroll 3 years ago
Maybe you're thinking of someone else who got raped.
But back in the day, when Jean was a competitor, he "allegedly" tried to rape Mindy Meloon, who later ended up on the American team. She didn't say anything about it until he was made coach, then she filed a police report and tried to have him replaced--but instead the governing body kicked her off the team, which left a position Craig ended up taking.
PubliusAfricanus 3 years ago
I meant like rape as in "destroyed" in competition lol ^^
LVL95ForumTroll 3 years ago
Yeah. For a while I thought you were talking about Jean's child-loving ways.
Heh.
PubliusAfricanus 3 years ago
wait...you say nia won the above match, yet you say that charley got raped in her match, even though, if you watch the tape, she lands a head kick, good for 2 pts, in the closing seconds
do you honestly compete?
brabon 3 years ago
yeah shes pretty terrible. I guess when there is fame you just win fights by just standing there. Nia needs an agent maybe then she could get some respect.
lilbrownpixie 3 years ago
OK in the first minute of the video... Nia kicks Diane 3 times.. the last of the 3 times. Diane go to the mat??? Sudden Death.. isnt it the first to score to win??? Nia, won several times before Diane's phanton kick won the fight... Maybe having 2 brothers going to China,, gets you a win and the judges were just waiting for Diane to get a kick out there to score the fight in her favor.. NO that COULDNOT BE IT! Clearly it was!
igetzgwap23 3 years ago
this really isnt a close up...the vid quality sucks and the sound is off...so i have no clue what was happening....i did see diana score with a roundhouse to the back
look guys and gals, unless they can figure out a sensor system...judging remains subjective
brabon 3 years ago
I don't see how it can be THAT subjective. A hit is a hit. Not scoring several of them, then awarding a point for a mere glance isn't subjective judging--it's either incompetence or willful cheating.
PubliusAfricanus 3 years ago
so you are saying that the sport is rife with cheating then...cuz the same stuff was going on in the olympics
if this is the case, then it should be dropped as a sport totally
and no one yet has come up with any evidence that the refs or judges favor the lopez family over anyone
brabon 3 years ago
Maybe it should be dropped. The matches are decided on nothing more than a whim--and the judges are clearly incompetent (witness the Sarah Stevenson kick that went unnoticed).
The stupid-ass jigging back and forth, the lack of head punches, and the dumbass noises the fighters make (especially Diana) all combine to make it a freakin' circus. If I practiced TKD I'd be embarrassed by the whole thing.
PubliusAfricanus 3 years ago
You must be fucking blind!!. Nia probably scored at least 3 points before getting cheated by that ghost kick. Unfortunately, this shit also happened in the recent olympics. Watch the fight between Miguel FERRERA RODRIGUEZ (HONDURAs) vs Guo ZHU (China) in the round of 16 - 80kgs. The Honduran guy clearly won the fight (they didn't count his head knock down on the chinese guy!!)
chalaco58 3 years ago
That happened to everyone going up against a Chinese fighter.
They say there isn't bias because the host country doesn't have more judges than anyone else--but it seems to me there is pressure to give the host country as lopsided a chance as possible. There's just no other way to explain what happened at these games.
PubliusAfricanus 3 years ago
all 4 judges must agree on a hit...i dont make the rules....and this video is not a true closeup
look, charley shoulda won her quarterfinal match...she definitely landed a face kick at the end, but the judges didnt count it
she shoulda appealed like the brit did
anyway, i know that diana could kick my ass...so that is all that is important
brabon 3 years ago
Appeals shouldn't be so common. If they are, something is wrong with the sport. Subjectiveness is one thing; it's another to blatantly ignore scoring hits and randomly assign points.
As for Diana, sure, she'd probably beat you in a straight-up "Olympic" style match; but I wouldn't put my money on her in an actual no-rules fight.
PubliusAfricanus 3 years ago 2
Um, no I would destroy Diana in an Olympic setting. Sorry it's not even funny. I would so destroy Diana in TKD.
Diana is so slow and unskilled. She has very good basics that's it. A solid fighter, nothing more.
Do not judge me, because your assumptions are oh so wrong. I watched Diana enough to know a likely outcome if we fought by Olympic TKD ruling. I am in the same weight class at Taejin and Mark. 6ft3, long legs, Korean blood. I would also destroy you.
Wait was this comment at me? Lol.
LVL95ForumTroll 3 years ago
It was aimed at Brabon, who believes she can kick his ass.
PubliusAfricanus 3 years ago
well, as i am totally out of your weight class...ya, you would destroy me....so why werent you at the trials if you are so stupid talented?
i accept my limitations
i train to stay fit and limber...i spar, but i dont compete...
you guys make it seem that all competitions are fixed...and i just dont buy it
brabon 3 years ago
Not all, just the ones that get them publicity.
PubliusAfricanus 3 years ago
no...she is much faster than me, and has much longer legs
no pads or headgear, and i would be out in around 3 minutes
brabon 3 years ago
btw....like i said before, this is not a very good vid...you cant see if any of nia's kicks landed cleanly...and diana definitely lands a roundhouse to the back...it was not a ghost...it landed...but the vid is still not clear
brabon 3 years ago
Diana bearly got the bronze. Nia is a much better fighter she would have came back with the gold
000422QUEEEN 3 years ago
I'm shocked that it turned out the way it did, especially after they worked so hard to fix everything so that the trio would go to the games.
PubliusAfricanus 3 years ago
Thats such crap... Nia whooped her ass.
Funny how they caught the Lopez family paying off so that Diana would win to make both parties millionaires, Diana just straight up sucks, yeah her brothers are great but she is horrible.
bonedocta 3 years ago
that is such a load of crap. disgraceful
dladieznmans 3 years ago
Nia's still a contender, but what do you guys think of her chances for the next Olympics? Odds are Jean will still be coaching the team, and one or even two of the Lopez siblings will be on it--but after the stink she raised about Diana, I wonder how she'll be treated.
Just look at what they did to Mandy Meloon.
PubliusAfricanus 3 years ago
I've never commented on a video...but that was just ridiculous. I could see the match going until sudden death but there were at least 2 points scored before Diana's phantom kick.
I've watched Ivett Gonda's match today, and I feel that tkd doesn't have an olympic future with this type of judging.
liptrick 3 years ago
I watched the video several times and believe that finally it was a point but Nia had scored twice before and didn't get any. What's going on with this Lopez family, are they controling the whole US TKD society or what?
taekwongr 3 years ago 4
scoring in taekwondo is very subjective...im very confused at the hate towards the lopez family
did they buy a world championship for diana too??
you guys make it sound like the lopez' are the texas mafia
brabon 3 years ago
oh yea and nia wasnt mad at all she said to diana "go win the gold for us ok"
meatwad314 3 years ago
That seemed nice of her and she knows she should have gone to Beijing...
cell86 3 years ago
ok i have 1 thing to say be mad at the refs not diana because diana and nia are very close friends and the refs were told to send diana to beijing because it would make for a better story and more publicity for the sport of tea kwon do and yes i am qualified to say this because i noe all of the lopez family because they spent a summer training under my dad and diana is nothing but nice so stop calling them names
meatwad314 3 years ago
There's such a thing as moral courage: doing what is right even if it hurts. If Diana knows she didn't deserve the win, she shouldn't accept it. She should have supported Nia's appeal instead of just going along with the decision.
PubliusAfricanus 3 years ago 5
meatwad314 who told you that Diana and Nia was VERY CLOSE FRIENDS? lol
000422QUEEEN 3 years ago
I hope that bitch and her filthy cheater family get what they deserve in the olympics, it would make me the happiest person ever to see them knocked down in the first fight! LOL
feeer8 3 years ago
Looks like Nia won to me
crisss2001 3 years ago 5
One question is Iran in the olympics? (Taekwondo)
aree93 3 years ago