nochokin, I agree with your timeline, but I was speaking about his heart and soul evolving from and being affected by the jim crow era seeing it wasn't to far removed from that time. I don't see what the raping of black women or the violent deaths of 200 million slaves have to do with closetized gay men.
@lrak999 his heart and soul you didnt not know....and what I AM TALKIN ABOUT is the poem Subjects Was Faggets which had nothin to do with jim crow, slavery, consciousness, race or HIM..so like i said in the video, on one hand he was conscious but on the otherhand he was homophobic idiot like you ...that run around being derogatory about something he didnt understand LIKE YOU did in your last comment. SO before you disrespect me knwo what your talkin about cause you making your self sound stupid
U dumb bitch!! U know nothing of consciousness or of ur peoples struggle! or the man that u critique, stupid motha fuckas like ur self r the reason that blacks were slaves so long! U should play russian roulette with a loaded pistol faggot ass dike ho!! (that 1's 4 u Gil!)
@2ColdHERO so which one am i a fagget or a dike...you sound confused as him...i dont call knowing the true socioeconomic situation of Black people are in as "conscious"...i call it a normal state of being...we all should know that then and now.....this poem was NOT about the strugge of people or anything conscious...it was just derogatory toward gays...nothin productive....i discuss the hypocrisy the black community....and he displays that in this piece...you dont like it? fuck you dummy
So are you saying that the supremist groups who publicly lashed out at the black race were really on the downlow and they actually loved us with a passion? This poem was written in a different era(Jim Crow, colored water fountains, and other segregations). Its not unusual to find in this Christian society people who strongly believe that god created woman for a certain role as well as man for a certain role. Cmon, give the guy a break. RIP Gil Scott-Heron.
@lrak999 no this poem was not written in the Jim crow time which ended prior to the 70s...this poem written in the early 70s when homsexuals were having Gay balls on 34 and 8th avenue...which he talks about in the poem ....you would have to know the gay history to know what significance that has...but to answer your question yes some racist secretly lust after Blacks hence the rapes and children created during slavery ...I dont know Gil personally...i am just state what my thoughts of him are
@kendra3136 well i dont know were you from but i have tons of black heros....Gil Scott Heron is not one of them...i respect wat you did for hiphop ...but that were it end.... Bayard Rustin is one of my Black heros...he was a gay man who advse Martin luther king jr...and was the diving force in organizing and executing te march on washington a staple demonstration of the civil rights era...maybe you should look him up...and many more...sorry you dont have more Black heros in your life than Gil
The Subject Of Faggots Was Made Over 40 Years Ago, Why Wud U Wait Until The Man Was Dead 2 Voice Ur Opinion, Especialy When He Had Time 2 Rebuttal, Also Y Are U Trying 2 portray Your Lifestlye As His
Jus Cus U Munch On Carpet, Doesnt Mean Ur Gay If U Speak Out On Fags
Enjoy Ur Dinner 2nite I.e., Pussy And Leave Gil Scott-heron Alone
@llclady i have never seen a pussy out side of porn...I havent eating a pussy because i like dick from you conversation i assume that your dumb as cant read because im now were near a lesbian ...i dont have the right equipment to be a lesbian...im a transsexual..by the way i get paid for doin current event commentary...how much did you get paid for your stupid comments? ZERO..go get your GED before you start trolling the internet sayin dumb shit that dont make sense....and after that get a life
The Subject Of Faggots Was Made Over 40 Years Ago, Why Wud U Wait Until The Man Was Dead 2 Voice Ur Opinion, Especialy When He Had Time 2 Rebuttal, Also Y Are U Trying 2 portray Your Lifestlye As His
Jus Cus U Munch On Carpet, Doesnt Mean Ur Gay If U Speak Out On Fags
Enjoy Ur Dinner 2nite I.e., Pussy And Leave Gil Scott-heron Alone
The Subject Of Faggots Was Made Over 40 Years Ago, Why Wud U Wait Until The Man Was Dead 2 Voice Ur Opinion, Especialy When He Had Time 2 Rebuttal, Also Y Are U Trying 2 portray Your Lifestlye As His
Jus Cus U Munch On Carpet, Doesnt Mean Ur Gay If U Speak Out On Fags
Enjoy Ur Dinner 2nite I.e., Pussy And Leave Gil Scott-heron Alone
This poem made me think of all the reasons why gay men fight for respect. When poeple like Gil-Scott say things like this they think that they should be praised for saying hateful words. For him to take his time to write such a poem make me wonder why it bothered him sooooooo much.
I agree with how you see it nochokin. And its not just about using the f word. All those who try to say GSH was being 'ironic' or mocking his audience in this poem should just read the lyrics - "giggling and grinning and prancing and shit" and "he or she or it"? Its not clever, its just plain nasty, and dumb. He did have some intelligent stuff to say a lot of the time, but this aint one of those times.
to me its like a retardation of sorts. Its like the brain only channels and configures certain functions, and ideas,Whilst unknowingly denying or completely blocking certain things. Gil Scott Heron gives me complete DL teas......The DL man is in constant question, in constant awe, and when approached with or witnessing people who are OUT, I think it causes a certain anger within them, thus the lashing out. Or the taunting.
yessss sorry to keep going in but the more I listen the more it sounds like a satire "Digging what I was digging, as I did" that sounds like repressed fascination and curiosity idk. I guess that is what it sounds like to me " the straigh black woman" but I may be wrong. I just think poetry most times aren't just to be taken as face value you must go deeper to get the true meaning. Besides the word "faggot" he never really says anything to ridicule gays..he seems suprised and bewildered... : ?
I think that it's very easy to pick on our own about race and homophobia! Like we are some of the most welcoming people to gays just as much as we have alot of cultural religous homophoia . I think it's easy to say what black people do we this we that! But we are loving welcoming people I think our homophobia runs just as deep as white and I think they are worse...I do agree that there are a million men who repress and act out because of their own repressed homophobic feelings...great vid tho!
do you ever think that the poem was a bit of a satire? Just curious I can see that from this poem not just a homophobic rant. . . it's more a poem about a 20 year old who runs into the over the type drag queens and is he is perhaps puzzled and maybe slightly unsettled by what he is seeing..but he is satirizing his own initial thoughtsplus, it was a different time..a young 20 yr old man laughing at obscenely over the top gay drag queens?!?! not I hate fags rant! thats what i get from it...
But I know gay/queer culture has always been central to American culture. At times repressed, other times celebrated. And sometimes just a normal part of society. But I agree with you about some aspects of hip hop culture and black American culture which turns a blind eye to suffering of sexual and gender minorities in the black community.
I'm just starting to learn about Gil so I'm glad you let some of the youngins like me know something not really talked about.
I think I see what you're saying about people denigrating homosexuals and then having a secret to hide. It reminds me of how John McCain is so anti-immigrant. He probably doesn't want people to know he was born in Panama, haha.
But I suspect that many who front the hardest have the most to hide some of the time.
I think it could have been a very transformative thing if Gil had been an out and proud gay man. It could have had a distinct impact on hip hop today.
Hi Diamond, Great video as usual and I enjoy the way you articulate your ideas and feelings. I just want to add another perspective. Gil Scott Heron was a victim like so many black people of being raised in a community that is extremely religious and promotes homophobia because it is considered against God, the Bible, and nature. I think the Christian mindset is so ingrained in black folks that homosexuality will always be feared and viewed as an abnormal and sinful behavior.
@NYCGuy646 thanks boo... that same christian mindset was also use to enslave those same black folks at one time...and because the felt that slavery was an injustice and got educated... they changes there mindset over time and set them selves free....i think black folks need to recognize the injustice and set their minds free just liek they did when it was about them and their rights and inequality
It doesn't sound like homophobia to me. What I got from it, he's saying the "faggot ball" has been ostracized and because of the way its been portrayed, he didn't enter the room.
What did it for me were the statements: "The subject was".. "And the quote was" and he then says “You would have to dig it, to dig it” & near the end he says, “but sitting on the corner, digging all that I did as I did... Had there been no sign on the door saying Faggot Ball, I might have entered..”
I absolutely agree that the main people who condemn the LGBT community are on the DL. It's a form of self-hatred, I think and they are envious of the people who are out, proud and living true to themselves. Coretta Scott King was an advocate of gay marriage and said that MLK would have supported gay rights. This is her going against the Black religious community and their homophobic views. But homophobia and sexism in rap adds to this distorted hyper-macho ideal of what a "real" man is .
Love his song called 'the bottle", he was A good musician, his personal life, I dont know much off but thanks for the insight, lovin' the hair style Diamond! , stay strong & sweet sistren!...thanks for the education.
so crazy..we just discussed dis a few days ago in my class..and how..homophobic hip hop is, yet its saturized by homo erogenous shit..and vids..and lyrics..."aint no fun less we all get sum" implying men fuckin together...even if it is a "bitch" ..lol and man o man..when rappers are asked about it.for example how a Gay rapper would fair in hip hop..Busta Rhymes musta busted out that room so far..lol... anyhow..im glad u did this vid...the LOUDEST bashers/haters..R always the main participaters
I fuckin love this video! It is so on point! Cats b killing me hoping on what ever they were taught but when you become conscious u should learn about the truth for yourself. He was awesome in some regards but a biggot as well. Peace sista!
Baby girl, you wasnt even alive during the 70's...Secondly, youre not a handsome Japanese Creole man like mysel,f that was born and raised in the 'hood<<<whatever that means...and had to evade grown faggots and ignore overt sexual compliments by becoming Mr. Tough Guy, lifting weights, carrying heat, etc, to protect yourself from the gangbangers, the crackheads, and the unthinkable...and on top of that, be a bookworm type poet square pants dude...I salute Gil Scott for creating art,
@strugglebuggietv not what someone wants to come in and cut to pieces by over pschoanalysing<<<whoops theres goes "anal' in analysing..Why cant Black artists use their imagination, and dream up stories, instead of being put in this little BOX where they can only create from what they know, seen, heard of, or been ...Gil Scott was on crack thats a fact, read the New York Times interview, he wasnt going to live long, which is why he recorded his last album, just like MICHAEL JACKSON...
@strugglebuggietv hmmm just the fact that you imply that because i wasnt born in the 70's i should have an opinion on Gil .... make anything you say after that irrelevant
Everybody's entitled to their opinions, but some things are said in modern day context and rightfully not in line with the thinking that prevailed back in his prime - hell yea we all need to recognise that the struggles and commentaries of predecessors were simply contextual to the society they were in. Since the time of this man there's been big strides in society's worldview and tolerance. Sadly some of the early 'victims' were homosexuals, women's rights, environmental issues and poverty!!
I don't feel like they turn a blind eye to it...I feel like they use their platform to DEGRADE for shock value...but it ALLis about money. The people that support get defensive very quick because they never really believed in the music/scene/message/cause in the first place......it was always about the MONEY/power/and greed.
It takes away from his authenticity. For those of us that have been through it all...ie pre stonewall..in many ways it was more real then. we stood together . No ageism
lol at any point on his exploration of the ball why didn't he just leave? he know he wanted to go in lol and the whole time i was think there was balls then? i thought that started in the 80's i need to look up my history .
Also, just wanted to say that GSH wasn't the first to fuse rap into his artistic expression. James Brown did it before in the late 60s (Say It Loud. . . ) Just sayin, though. . .
I am kinda surprised @ GSH's cause of death. I did listen to his poetry when I was in my 20s, but drifted away. I never heard him address this issue or any like it. But certainly, he must have cause you've just brought it up. ". . .a rat done bit my sister Nell, with '- - - - - -" on the moon, her face and arms began to swell with "- - - - - -" on the moon." Remember those days!!!
Wow this video is deep I feel you my twin brother was hurt by his death he keeps talkin bout his favorite poem is "angel dust" I am glad you gave me better insight cuz i never did check him out. now i feel more educated on the topic and also thanks for the great conversations tonight on the page i think a lot of people will be more informed now
@nochokin I only remember him from kanye honestly I like his voice an delivery but I just don't go for revolutionary poetry I am a maya angelou an classic poe type person more inner than outer thats where i believe change and growth is spawn.
Most people have no idea of how these self hating DL men operate. But when it's something you've experienced for a while it's so easy to identify. Anyone who's secure in themselves doesn't go out of there way to be nasty & hateful towards a certain group. Only those who struggle internally with those issues feel the need to bash it.
Sadly this has become acceptable in the AA community as if we don't already have enough to worry about.
Now Gil know he was trade back in the day and was all up in the balls walking butch queen tryna get his 10s......girl boop! Just another angry DL queen living for the kids in private.....
@nochokin I think your 100% right this poem was away for him to release his guilty homosexual feelings. Why go out of your way to write a poem about subject that does not affect you. I'm not a DL man. Have I ever been with a man ? no, Have I ever been with a transwoman ? no. Am I gay ? I don't know. I do find you attractive does that make me gay ? I'm sure most people(male&female) who watch your videos think your attractive. Your pretty with a great personality. GSH RIP
Lol I just learned what dichotomy means in class a few weeks ago. I agree there are double standards in hip-hop. I also agree that "homosexuality" has all been, but we were not call gay, back then we were called eunuchs.
This poem was a product of its time and is not du jour today. But, there needs to be discussion around Black masculinity (not being able to exercise ones full humanity) in America; and the larger system that oppresses Black masculinity and distributes this type of expression as art. I think the poem is hateful. But I know that too often it's easier to chose up when the dominant society still doesn't recognize the humanity of man. Just watch your local news. what do u see first Black or queer?
@ablacksquare yes my opinion of him ...is not just based on his 70's work even his recent work in 2010 had element i didnt like although it was as agressive tit was unapologetic confession like pieces...it was better but still...not my flav
I would have to agree with you about the end of the song and it could be read ether way to me it would sound like a closet case iwas also thinging the same thing or i could see someone might not get it.was 1970 espescialy if your are trying to repress something in yourself thay whold think that brother was going to go postal i think that is what i should do not what i would like to do whitch join in the ball and have a ball but with the
but thats just basics. How about investing some money at the sex shop and using the "proper lubes" instead of body lotion. Dental Dams, Latex gloves, toys, ect...ect..
Gil Scott may have passed secretly from HIV. However I am sure it was because of his risky lifestyle of drugs, unprotected sex, and or both.
It does not matter if he was in the closet or out of closet because he is still dead now.
RIP- Gil Scot Heron (April 1, 1949 – May 27, 2011)
Black women and men are extremely hyper-sexed individuals , but they are very homophobic at the same time. They are also some of the biggest drug abusers. Which promotes risky behavior.
That is an utter mix for disaster! Regardless if you are out of the closet or still in the closet, bottom-line.
On top of that, many in the black community don't take responsibility. Black folks believe safe sex is all about condoms. But its more than just that.
Down low stuff is not going to change no time soon. Somebody being gay or lesbian and announcing is still not necessarily going to mean their going to choose ONLY to sleep with men, women, or both.
Homosexuality has been around for thousands of years. Some people are ashamed of it, some not . Thats just life. Some people have bizarre fetishes, some don't. Some tell, others don't, Some are proud, others are not. Life is very complex.
@IamUrsula yes i have read many of his piece and heard him recite many as well....and it not based on one piece in the 70's it base don his whole body of work he relesase some recently as well...i choose oto discus sthis on becaus eit was directly about homosexual culture..so my opinion is based on his life...i am a poet and artist as well so i know poets from paul lawrence dunbar to langston hughes to robert frost to emily dickerson....so it based on more than just that poem
@nochokin Still Shaking My Head; Still Love the hair; Still waiting for Next Video... Still giggling.
Sounds like he struck a personal cord w/ you in this "one" poem. Since you didn't speak on Heron's numerous Homophobic works it all sounds like rhetoric in your reply. I will not hold a DEAD person's 1 poem to not supporting the living! I support you because of your living body of work, even this 1 piece of work of that I'm in total agreement w/. I'll continue to watch; at time will disagree.
@IamUrsula this was the best poem to show what i wanted to discuss about gil...first you start by reminding me what year it was...you implied that i dont read Gil...then implied that my opinion was based on one poem because I chose to only talk about one. ALL OF WHICH implies that i dont how to come to an educated opinion..it would be stupid to base and opinion of someone based on one work in one time. Like me saying Van Gogh has self hater based on his self portait with his severed ear
Gil Scott Heron was the shit! He made that funky song called "Angel Dust"! That was the shit ...I remember that shit being played when I was a pre-teen by my parents in the late 1970's.
I dont know about his homophobic characteristics, but his music definitely was the shit! BTW, I heard he had HIV. Nonetheless, I still like his music. The old school 1970's funk and definitely not this new ignorant country music. Nonetheless Life is Life. You live and you die.
Wow, I had never heard this poem before. That was disappointing but something I needed to know. Do you think he continued to be homophobic or was it an uneducated period of his life?I agree that Gil was repressed sexually. How do you reconcile the disrespect of women in rap music, if you listen to rap? You know Gil would have gotten his life, why would you need a sign to enter a ball, he said there were skirts and feathers. Why you need a sign Gil? Why you need a SIGN?
wow!!!!Instead of bringing up something you like about the man , You all talk about some bullshit gay chat.lol Didn't talk about the 'revolution will be televised" didn't talk about "the bottle" but we discussing homosexual shit once again. If you ask me homosexual got it pretty damn good shit you say faggot and your ass is about to be out of some money, but if you say nigger or call our black queens "nappy headed hoes then you just might get promoted and have your own talk show like don imus
@RealismOfLife sweetheart this is MY CHANNEL... not yours....i talk about what i want....there is a X you can click to get off of it....I have the right to not like an artist based on his views....i talked about his influence on hiphop...that all i wanted to say that was positive about him because that all i saw as positive....that my feeling and that what i decide to talk about on my channel
@RealismOfLife whose fault is it for accepting the term "nigger"? By large, Black people aren't revolting against the use of the word nigger [unless its used by someone who isn't black]. Hell, we do it ourselves and are happy to flaunt our "niggas" around town with our "bitches" and "hoes" beside us. The LGBTQ community is taking an issue with derogatory terms and letting it be known, it will not be tolerated.
@laidbaqq What the fuck are you talking about dude. Gays use the term "Faggot" more than the so called straight people!!!!You can't tell me im lying dude. I hear more gays loud as shit calling each other fags and punks more than anybody else. So dont act as if you all are up in arms and have serious issue when you all call each other that shittt alll the time. I dont hear black people calling each other "Nigger" we switch shit around and make it fit for us. Shit even asian , whites use nigga.
@RealismOfLife Then I guess perspective here is the issue, because I hear "nigga" more than I do "faggot" and most of my friends are black and of the lgbtq comm.
Wait, so using "nigga" is better than "nigger", is that what you mean by "switch shit around and make it fit for us"?
@laidbaqq That's exactly what i meant. And i agree with you the word "nigga" is used more than"faggot" but most of the time when i hear "faggot or punk" its out of the mouth of a flamboyant gay person. Now a straight person might say "man that's gay or homo" but overall,when it comes to disrespect and trying to clown somebody homosexual scream out faggot more than anybody!! I dont have a issue with the word "nigga" its when you call me a NIGGER it have a different type of stigma to it
@RealismOfLife Honestly, I've been called a faggot more often by hetero people than homosexuals. But it is true, there are those who use the word as well. But just as black ppl who use "nigga" and claim it, there are those who use "faggot" in the same manner... Or sometimes they do use it in a malicious manner. None of which I agree with, but that's their choice.
Nigga/nigger, same thing to me. Just like some take the G off of action words (acting / actin') its still the same.
@laidbaqq It was a time when a word like "bad' meant just that "bad" unpleasant , unsatisfying etc. Now we use the same word and it's good, "mad thats a bad outfit" or "that's a bad bitch"lol. Its the same thing with nigga its all in how you use it. When i say my nigga that means i identify with you as a brotha,you right here with me, we share the same struggle, of-course the root and the origin of the word was demeaning but overtime its meaning changed.
@RealismOfLife@laidbaqq realism all of a sudden you wanna talk like you have some sense...when you initial comment you had a problem with me discussing Gil and my opinion of his work....cause you feel that homosexual have it good and i shouldnt be talkin about that....this wasnt about a word meaning and contextual debate ...it was about you having a problem with how i choose to discuss Gil's death. You were rude and inappropriate to reprimand me for my choice of discuss on my fuckin channel
@nochokin Well i wasn't really talking about you nochokin i was refering to the comments,people that dont even know shit about the man saying "Good he's dead" because of a poem called"faggot ball" come on!!!It's not that damn serious and they wasn't even listening to the lyrics or know the meaning of the poem, but they mad because the word faggit was used and now they praising the man's death. And i was replying to laidbaqq ,he's the one that talked about words being used.Stop cursing me out lol
@RealismOfLife cursing you out...like when you said "you wanna talk about bullshit gay chat...we discussin homeosexual shit again" nothing was directed at you specifically...just like no curse words you said was direct at me..... why cant i curse?
@nochokin This is your channel you can do what ever you want :) Actin all superstar like and stuff , dont get big headed you still diamondstyles from bp !! "hehehe :)"
@RealismOfLife no im still diamond from Indianapolis that been on TV since i was in highschool before any of this....dont get it twist... a small bit of popularity is nothin new for me so its nothin to get a big head about ....it funny how people say you have the big head for doin what they are doin as well...cursin and commenting on a youtube video....
@RealismOfLife Only when being used by a black person, yes, the meaning certainly has changed. I'd rather not anyone call me a 'nigga'. I wish I would approach my elders and say "whats up my nigga" it would be downright disrespectful.
@laidbaqq I don't really like the word myself especially around other groups of people, but i use it from time to time with people i know, i try to stop using it. But i can understand why some people say it , its because they can identify with people like them,you dont get no downer than being my homey , my brotha, or my nigga. But some people only have one definition of the word and that's why i dont really like seeing black pp using it around other ppl. Ofcourse i wouldn't call my elders that
OMG, I'm so glad he's dead... He's easily one of the reasons Black people, especially Black men are so hateful... lol, I used think DMX was on the down low.... All growling and crap, one of the only rappers I used to hear say faggot in like every song, like why do you always gotta bring it up? lol
Ur sooooo right! I went to an all black catholic high school and every single guy that I went to school with that use to be extra hard on gay people or say stuff like, "I hate faggots." Those were the main ones that came out of the closet after high school. So I wouldn't be surprised if this man was trying to hide something.
Thank you. Praise the lord!
lrak999 1 month ago
nochokin, I agree with your timeline, but I was speaking about his heart and soul evolving from and being affected by the jim crow era seeing it wasn't to far removed from that time. I don't see what the raping of black women or the violent deaths of 200 million slaves have to do with closetized gay men.
lrak999 1 month ago
@lrak999 his heart and soul you didnt not know....and what I AM TALKIN ABOUT is the poem Subjects Was Faggets which had nothin to do with jim crow, slavery, consciousness, race or HIM..so like i said in the video, on one hand he was conscious but on the otherhand he was homophobic idiot like you ...that run around being derogatory about something he didnt understand LIKE YOU did in your last comment. SO before you disrespect me knwo what your talkin about cause you making your self sound stupid
nochokin 1 month ago
U dumb bitch!! U know nothing of consciousness or of ur peoples struggle! or the man that u critique, stupid motha fuckas like ur self r the reason that blacks were slaves so long! U should play russian roulette with a loaded pistol faggot ass dike ho!! (that 1's 4 u Gil!)
2ColdHERO 1 month ago
@2ColdHERO so which one am i a fagget or a dike...you sound confused as him...i dont call knowing the true socioeconomic situation of Black people are in as "conscious"...i call it a normal state of being...we all should know that then and now.....this poem was NOT about the strugge of people or anything conscious...it was just derogatory toward gays...nothin productive....i discuss the hypocrisy the black community....and he displays that in this piece...you dont like it? fuck you dummy
nochokin 1 month ago
So are you saying that the supremist groups who publicly lashed out at the black race were really on the downlow and they actually loved us with a passion? This poem was written in a different era(Jim Crow, colored water fountains, and other segregations). Its not unusual to find in this Christian society people who strongly believe that god created woman for a certain role as well as man for a certain role. Cmon, give the guy a break. RIP Gil Scott-Heron.
lrak999 1 month ago
@lrak999 no this poem was not written in the Jim crow time which ended prior to the 70s...this poem written in the early 70s when homsexuals were having Gay balls on 34 and 8th avenue...which he talks about in the poem ....you would have to know the gay history to know what significance that has...but to answer your question yes some racist secretly lust after Blacks hence the rapes and children created during slavery ...I dont know Gil personally...i am just state what my thoughts of him are
nochokin 1 month ago
DON'T GO AND TALK ABOUT MY HERO CAUSE WE DON'T HAVE MANY BLACK HERO'S
kendra3136 4 months ago
@kendra3136 well i dont know were you from but i have tons of black heros....Gil Scott Heron is not one of them...i respect wat you did for hiphop ...but that were it end.... Bayard Rustin is one of my Black heros...he was a gay man who advse Martin luther king jr...and was the diving force in organizing and executing te march on washington a staple demonstration of the civil rights era...maybe you should look him up...and many more...sorry you dont have more Black heros in your life than Gil
nochokin 1 month ago
Gil Scott-Heron RIP. One of the best ever
mrblue2011 7 months ago 4
What a waste of fucking time.
mrblue2011 7 months ago 2
@mrblue2011 like typing that message
nochokin 7 months ago 2
The Subject Of Faggots Was Made Over 40 Years Ago, Why Wud U Wait Until The Man Was Dead 2 Voice Ur Opinion, Especialy When He Had Time 2 Rebuttal, Also Y Are U Trying 2 portray Your Lifestlye As His
Jus Cus U Munch On Carpet, Doesnt Mean Ur Gay If U Speak Out On Fags
Enjoy Ur Dinner 2nite I.e., Pussy And Leave Gil Scott-heron Alone
llclady 8 months ago 4
@llclady i have never seen a pussy out side of porn...I havent eating a pussy because i like dick from you conversation i assume that your dumb as cant read because im now were near a lesbian ...i dont have the right equipment to be a lesbian...im a transsexual..by the way i get paid for doin current event commentary...how much did you get paid for your stupid comments? ZERO..go get your GED before you start trolling the internet sayin dumb shit that dont make sense....and after that get a life
nochokin 8 months ago 4
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The Subject Of Faggots Was Made Over 40 Years Ago, Why Wud U Wait Until The Man Was Dead 2 Voice Ur Opinion, Especialy When He Had Time 2 Rebuttal, Also Y Are U Trying 2 portray Your Lifestlye As His
Jus Cus U Munch On Carpet, Doesnt Mean Ur Gay If U Speak Out On Fags
Enjoy Ur Dinner 2nite I.e., Pussy And Leave Gil Scott-heron Alone
llclady 8 months ago
The Subject Of Faggots Was Made Over 40 Years Ago, Why Wud U Wait Until The Man Was Dead 2 Voice Ur Opinion, Especialy When He Had Time 2 Rebuttal, Also Y Are U Trying 2 portray Your Lifestlye As His
Jus Cus U Munch On Carpet, Doesnt Mean Ur Gay If U Speak Out On Fags
Enjoy Ur Dinner 2nite I.e., Pussy And Leave Gil Scott-heron Alone
llclady 8 months ago
This poem made me think of all the reasons why gay men fight for respect. When poeple like Gil-Scott say things like this they think that they should be praised for saying hateful words. For him to take his time to write such a poem make me wonder why it bothered him sooooooo much.
panamanianman1 8 months ago
I agree with how you see it nochokin. And its not just about using the f word. All those who try to say GSH was being 'ironic' or mocking his audience in this poem should just read the lyrics - "giggling and grinning and prancing and shit" and "he or she or it"? Its not clever, its just plain nasty, and dumb. He did have some intelligent stuff to say a lot of the time, but this aint one of those times.
rogoldomedonfors 8 months ago
@rogoldomedonfors exactly
nochokin 8 months ago
to me its like a retardation of sorts. Its like the brain only channels and configures certain functions, and ideas,Whilst unknowingly denying or completely blocking certain things. Gil Scott Heron gives me complete DL teas......The DL man is in constant question, in constant awe, and when approached with or witnessing people who are OUT, I think it causes a certain anger within them, thus the lashing out. Or the taunting.
ChocMami 9 months ago
yessss sorry to keep going in but the more I listen the more it sounds like a satire "Digging what I was digging, as I did" that sounds like repressed fascination and curiosity idk. I guess that is what it sounds like to me " the straigh black woman" but I may be wrong. I just think poetry most times aren't just to be taken as face value you must go deeper to get the true meaning. Besides the word "faggot" he never really says anything to ridicule gays..he seems suprised and bewildered... : ?
CHOCOCAT8444 9 months ago in playlist fa now
I think that it's very easy to pick on our own about race and homophobia! Like we are some of the most welcoming people to gays just as much as we have alot of cultural religous homophoia . I think it's easy to say what black people do we this we that! But we are loving welcoming people I think our homophobia runs just as deep as white and I think they are worse...I do agree that there are a million men who repress and act out because of their own repressed homophobic feelings...great vid tho!
CHOCOCAT8444 9 months ago in playlist fa now
do you ever think that the poem was a bit of a satire? Just curious I can see that from this poem not just a homophobic rant. . . it's more a poem about a 20 year old who runs into the over the type drag queens and is he is perhaps puzzled and maybe slightly unsettled by what he is seeing..but he is satirizing his own initial thoughtsplus, it was a different time..a young 20 yr old man laughing at obscenely over the top gay drag queens?!?! not I hate fags rant! thats what i get from it...
CHOCOCAT8444 9 months ago in playlist fa now
@nochokin
RESPECT
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nochokin 9 months ago
But I know gay/queer culture has always been central to American culture. At times repressed, other times celebrated. And sometimes just a normal part of society. But I agree with you about some aspects of hip hop culture and black American culture which turns a blind eye to suffering of sexual and gender minorities in the black community.
I'm just starting to learn about Gil so I'm glad you let some of the youngins like me know something not really talked about.
PrometheanFlame 9 months ago
I think I see what you're saying about people denigrating homosexuals and then having a secret to hide. It reminds me of how John McCain is so anti-immigrant. He probably doesn't want people to know he was born in Panama, haha.
But I suspect that many who front the hardest have the most to hide some of the time.
I think it could have been a very transformative thing if Gil had been an out and proud gay man. It could have had a distinct impact on hip hop today.
I didn't know about this poem
PrometheanFlame 9 months ago
I love the fact that you don't bite your tongue for anyone,keep us inspired!
CARMELLAGABOR 9 months ago
@CARMELLAGABOR thank you baby
nochokin 9 months ago
Hi Diamond, Great video as usual and I enjoy the way you articulate your ideas and feelings. I just want to add another perspective. Gil Scott Heron was a victim like so many black people of being raised in a community that is extremely religious and promotes homophobia because it is considered against God, the Bible, and nature. I think the Christian mindset is so ingrained in black folks that homosexuality will always be feared and viewed as an abnormal and sinful behavior.
NYCGuy646 9 months ago
@NYCGuy646 thanks boo... that same christian mindset was also use to enslave those same black folks at one time...and because the felt that slavery was an injustice and got educated... they changes there mindset over time and set them selves free....i think black folks need to recognize the injustice and set their minds free just liek they did when it was about them and their rights and inequality
nochokin 9 months ago
I agree with everything you just said.
fumala420 9 months ago
It doesn't sound like homophobia to me. What I got from it, he's saying the "faggot ball" has been ostracized and because of the way its been portrayed, he didn't enter the room.
What did it for me were the statements: "The subject was".. "And the quote was" and he then says “You would have to dig it, to dig it” & near the end he says, “but sitting on the corner, digging all that I did as I did... Had there been no sign on the door saying Faggot Ball, I might have entered..”
laidbaqq 9 months ago
I absolutely agree that the main people who condemn the LGBT community are on the DL. It's a form of self-hatred, I think and they are envious of the people who are out, proud and living true to themselves. Coretta Scott King was an advocate of gay marriage and said that MLK would have supported gay rights. This is her going against the Black religious community and their homophobic views. But homophobia and sexism in rap adds to this distorted hyper-macho ideal of what a "real" man is .
MissBibaDiva 9 months ago
if only rap was even closely as good as things back in the day - not just bs crap about bitchesd and ho's.
MrAshtonRenae 9 months ago
Like you said this guy was just a homophobic asshole. His ignorance just overshadows him talent
nubianbigoddess 9 months ago
@thisrandomchannel LMAO
nochokin 9 months ago
Love his song called 'the bottle", he was A good musician, his personal life, I dont know much off but thanks for the insight, lovin' the hair style Diamond! , stay strong & sweet sistren!...thanks for the education.
MrCaribbean 9 months ago
so crazy..we just discussed dis a few days ago in my class..and how..homophobic hip hop is, yet its saturized by homo erogenous shit..and vids..and lyrics..."aint no fun less we all get sum" implying men fuckin together...even if it is a "bitch" ..lol and man o man..when rappers are asked about it.for example how a Gay rapper would fair in hip hop..Busta Rhymes musta busted out that room so far..lol... anyhow..im glad u did this vid...the LOUDEST bashers/haters..R always the main participaters
Catpn 9 months ago
I fuckin love this video! It is so on point! Cats b killing me hoping on what ever they were taught but when you become conscious u should learn about the truth for yourself. He was awesome in some regards but a biggot as well. Peace sista!
untilidie06 9 months ago
Baby girl, you wasnt even alive during the 70's...Secondly, youre not a handsome Japanese Creole man like mysel,f that was born and raised in the 'hood<<<whatever that means...and had to evade grown faggots and ignore overt sexual compliments by becoming Mr. Tough Guy, lifting weights, carrying heat, etc, to protect yourself from the gangbangers, the crackheads, and the unthinkable...and on top of that, be a bookworm type poet square pants dude...I salute Gil Scott for creating art,
strugglebuggietv 9 months ago
@strugglebuggietv not what someone wants to come in and cut to pieces by over pschoanalysing<<<whoops theres goes "anal' in analysing..Why cant Black artists use their imagination, and dream up stories, instead of being put in this little BOX where they can only create from what they know, seen, heard of, or been ...Gil Scott was on crack thats a fact, read the New York Times interview, he wasnt going to live long, which is why he recorded his last album, just like MICHAEL JACKSON...
strugglebuggietv 9 months ago
@strugglebuggietv hmmm just the fact that you imply that because i wasnt born in the 70's i should have an opinion on Gil .... make anything you say after that irrelevant
nochokin 9 months ago 7
@nochokin you are a beautiful natural woman....
B7acKLioN 9 months ago
Everybody's entitled to their opinions, but some things are said in modern day context and rightfully not in line with the thinking that prevailed back in his prime - hell yea we all need to recognise that the struggles and commentaries of predecessors were simply contextual to the society they were in. Since the time of this man there's been big strides in society's worldview and tolerance. Sadly some of the early 'victims' were homosexuals, women's rights, environmental issues and poverty!!
Realness97 9 months ago
I don't feel like they turn a blind eye to it...I feel like they use their platform to DEGRADE for shock value...but it ALLis about money. The people that support get defensive very quick because they never really believed in the music/scene/message/cause in the first place......it was always about the MONEY/power/and greed.
It takes away from his authenticity. For those of us that have been through it all...ie pre stonewall..in many ways it was more real then. we stood together . No ageism
yescandles 9 months ago
lol at any point on his exploration of the ball why didn't he just leave? he know he wanted to go in lol and the whole time i was think there was balls then? i thought that started in the 80's i need to look up my history .
BrighterThanYours 9 months ago
Thank you, thank you, thank you. I shared this because there were some people that need to hear this in my own family from an eloquent sistah. :)
lightning7900 9 months ago
Also, just wanted to say that GSH wasn't the first to fuse rap into his artistic expression. James Brown did it before in the late 60s (Say It Loud. . . ) Just sayin, though. . .
slimdudeDJC 9 months ago
I am kinda surprised @ GSH's cause of death. I did listen to his poetry when I was in my 20s, but drifted away. I never heard him address this issue or any like it. But certainly, he must have cause you've just brought it up. ". . .a rat done bit my sister Nell, with '- - - - - -" on the moon, her face and arms began to swell with "- - - - - -" on the moon." Remember those days!!!
slimdudeDJC 9 months ago
Wow this video is deep I feel you my twin brother was hurt by his death he keeps talkin bout his favorite poem is "angel dust" I am glad you gave me better insight cuz i never did check him out. now i feel more educated on the topic and also thanks for the great conversations tonight on the page i think a lot of people will be more informed now
ThePERFECTdiary 9 months ago
@ThePERFECTdiary yes ...definite listen to some of his other work...dont just go off how i feel
nochokin 9 months ago 2
@nochokin I only remember him from kanye honestly I like his voice an delivery but I just don't go for revolutionary poetry I am a maya angelou an classic poe type person more inner than outer thats where i believe change and growth is spawn.
ThePERFECTdiary 9 months ago
I agree wit every point you made.
Most people have no idea of how these self hating DL men operate. But when it's something you've experienced for a while it's so easy to identify. Anyone who's secure in themselves doesn't go out of there way to be nasty & hateful towards a certain group. Only those who struggle internally with those issues feel the need to bash it.
Sadly this has become acceptable in the AA community as if we don't already have enough to worry about.
ferre77 9 months ago
Now Gil know he was trade back in the day and was all up in the balls walking butch queen tryna get his 10s......girl boop! Just another angry DL queen living for the kids in private.....
nickpowell1219 9 months ago
@nickpowell1219 right...blaming his aids on drugs...mmmmhmmmm
nochokin 9 months ago
@nochokin I think your 100% right this poem was away for him to release his guilty homosexual feelings. Why go out of your way to write a poem about subject that does not affect you. I'm not a DL man. Have I ever been with a man ? no, Have I ever been with a transwoman ? no. Am I gay ? I don't know. I do find you attractive does that make me gay ? I'm sure most people(male&female) who watch your videos think your attractive. Your pretty with a great personality. GSH RIP
Buddy69Love 9 months ago
Lol I just learned what dichotomy means in class a few weeks ago. I agree there are double standards in hip-hop. I also agree that "homosexuality" has all been, but we were not call gay, back then we were called eunuchs.
Camwhat 9 months ago
This poem was a product of its time and is not du jour today. But, there needs to be discussion around Black masculinity (not being able to exercise ones full humanity) in America; and the larger system that oppresses Black masculinity and distributes this type of expression as art. I think the poem is hateful. But I know that too often it's easier to chose up when the dominant society still doesn't recognize the humanity of man. Just watch your local news. what do u see first Black or queer?
ablacksquare 9 months ago
@ablacksquare yes my opinion of him ...is not just based on his 70's work even his recent work in 2010 had element i didnt like although it was as agressive tit was unapologetic confession like pieces...it was better but still...not my flav
nochokin 9 months ago
i wonder if his perception change over the years about homosexuality?
CYRINTHIA212 9 months ago
@CYRINTHIA212 his recent work was just as poignant so i doubt it but maybe
nochokin 9 months ago
i wonder if his perseption change over the years about homosexuality?
CYRINTHIA212 9 months ago
Yeaa, they do & is sad....
Martinx88813 9 months ago
I would have to agree with you about the end of the song and it could be read ether way to me it would sound like a closet case iwas also thinging the same thing or i could see someone might not get it.was 1970 espescialy if your are trying to repress something in yourself thay whold think that brother was going to go postal i think that is what i should do not what i would like to do whitch join in the ball and have a ball but with the
kandipdx 9 months ago
Condoms are one thing.
but thats just basics. How about investing some money at the sex shop and using the "proper lubes" instead of body lotion. Dental Dams, Latex gloves, toys, ect...ect..
Gil Scott may have passed secretly from HIV. However I am sure it was because of his risky lifestyle of drugs, unprotected sex, and or both.
It does not matter if he was in the closet or out of closet because he is still dead now.
RIP- Gil Scot Heron (April 1, 1949 – May 27, 2011)
0305trailblazer 9 months ago
Black women and men are extremely hyper-sexed individuals , but they are very homophobic at the same time. They are also some of the biggest drug abusers. Which promotes risky behavior.
That is an utter mix for disaster! Regardless if you are out of the closet or still in the closet, bottom-line.
On top of that, many in the black community don't take responsibility. Black folks believe safe sex is all about condoms. But its more than just that.
0305trailblazer 9 months ago
Down low stuff is not going to change no time soon. Somebody being gay or lesbian and announcing is still not necessarily going to mean their going to choose ONLY to sleep with men, women, or both.
Homosexuality has been around for thousands of years. Some people are ashamed of it, some not . Thats just life. Some people have bizarre fetishes, some don't. Some tell, others don't, Some are proud, others are not. Life is very complex.
0305trailblazer 9 months ago
Shaking My Head
This was the 70's not 2011.
You read, Gil Scott Heron? O.K., not... lOl
"Homophobic A##hole" based on one piece circa 1970. O.K., not... lOl
Personal Opinion/Observation... O.K. This is the reason that I watch for your videos.
Love the hair! Next Video... giggles
Shaking My Head
IamUrsula 9 months ago
@IamUrsula yes i have read many of his piece and heard him recite many as well....and it not based on one piece in the 70's it base don his whole body of work he relesase some recently as well...i choose oto discus sthis on becaus eit was directly about homosexual culture..so my opinion is based on his life...i am a poet and artist as well so i know poets from paul lawrence dunbar to langston hughes to robert frost to emily dickerson....so it based on more than just that poem
nochokin 9 months ago
@nochokin Still Shaking My Head; Still Love the hair; Still waiting for Next Video... Still giggling.
Sounds like he struck a personal cord w/ you in this "one" poem. Since you didn't speak on Heron's numerous Homophobic works it all sounds like rhetoric in your reply. I will not hold a DEAD person's 1 poem to not supporting the living! I support you because of your living body of work, even this 1 piece of work of that I'm in total agreement w/. I'll continue to watch; at time will disagree.
IamUrsula 9 months ago
@IamUrsula this was the best poem to show what i wanted to discuss about gil...first you start by reminding me what year it was...you implied that i dont read Gil...then implied that my opinion was based on one poem because I chose to only talk about one. ALL OF WHICH implies that i dont how to come to an educated opinion..it would be stupid to base and opinion of someone based on one work in one time. Like me saying Van Gogh has self hater based on his self portait with his severed ear
nochokin 9 months ago
Gil Scott Heron was the shit! He made that funky song called "Angel Dust"! That was the shit ...I remember that shit being played when I was a pre-teen by my parents in the late 1970's.
I dont know about his homophobic characteristics, but his music definitely was the shit! BTW, I heard he had HIV. Nonetheless, I still like his music. The old school 1970's funk and definitely not this new ignorant country music. Nonetheless Life is Life. You live and you die.
0305trailblazer 9 months ago
wow amazing. i just love how smart u r. Oh and cute hair btw
roseblossoms00 9 months ago 3
I blame religion. It really is the root of the problem.
KylaKyla12Kyla 9 months ago
Wow, I had never heard this poem before. That was disappointing but something I needed to know. Do you think he continued to be homophobic or was it an uneducated period of his life?I agree that Gil was repressed sexually. How do you reconcile the disrespect of women in rap music, if you listen to rap? You know Gil would have gotten his life, why would you need a sign to enter a ball, he said there were skirts and feathers. Why you need a sign Gil? Why you need a SIGN?
madika1 9 months ago
wow!!!!Instead of bringing up something you like about the man , You all talk about some bullshit gay chat.lol Didn't talk about the 'revolution will be televised" didn't talk about "the bottle" but we discussing homosexual shit once again. If you ask me homosexual got it pretty damn good shit you say faggot and your ass is about to be out of some money, but if you say nigger or call our black queens "nappy headed hoes then you just might get promoted and have your own talk show like don imus
RealismOfLife 9 months ago
@RealismOfLife sweetheart this is MY CHANNEL... not yours....i talk about what i want....there is a X you can click to get off of it....I have the right to not like an artist based on his views....i talked about his influence on hiphop...that all i wanted to say that was positive about him because that all i saw as positive....that my feeling and that what i decide to talk about on my channel
nochokin 9 months ago 8
@RealismOfLife whose fault is it for accepting the term "nigger"? By large, Black people aren't revolting against the use of the word nigger [unless its used by someone who isn't black]. Hell, we do it ourselves and are happy to flaunt our "niggas" around town with our "bitches" and "hoes" beside us. The LGBTQ community is taking an issue with derogatory terms and letting it be known, it will not be tolerated.
laidbaqq 9 months ago
@laidbaqq What the fuck are you talking about dude. Gays use the term "Faggot" more than the so called straight people!!!!You can't tell me im lying dude. I hear more gays loud as shit calling each other fags and punks more than anybody else. So dont act as if you all are up in arms and have serious issue when you all call each other that shittt alll the time. I dont hear black people calling each other "Nigger" we switch shit around and make it fit for us. Shit even asian , whites use nigga.
RealismOfLife 9 months ago
@RealismOfLife Then I guess perspective here is the issue, because I hear "nigga" more than I do "faggot" and most of my friends are black and of the lgbtq comm.
Wait, so using "nigga" is better than "nigger", is that what you mean by "switch shit around and make it fit for us"?
laidbaqq 9 months ago
@laidbaqq That's exactly what i meant. And i agree with you the word "nigga" is used more than"faggot" but most of the time when i hear "faggot or punk" its out of the mouth of a flamboyant gay person. Now a straight person might say "man that's gay or homo" but overall,when it comes to disrespect and trying to clown somebody homosexual scream out faggot more than anybody!! I dont have a issue with the word "nigga" its when you call me a NIGGER it have a different type of stigma to it
RealismOfLife 9 months ago
@RealismOfLife Honestly, I've been called a faggot more often by hetero people than homosexuals. But it is true, there are those who use the word as well. But just as black ppl who use "nigga" and claim it, there are those who use "faggot" in the same manner... Or sometimes they do use it in a malicious manner. None of which I agree with, but that's their choice.
Nigga/nigger, same thing to me. Just like some take the G off of action words (acting / actin') its still the same.
laidbaqq 9 months ago
@laidbaqq It was a time when a word like "bad' meant just that "bad" unpleasant , unsatisfying etc. Now we use the same word and it's good, "mad thats a bad outfit" or "that's a bad bitch"lol. Its the same thing with nigga its all in how you use it. When i say my nigga that means i identify with you as a brotha,you right here with me, we share the same struggle, of-course the root and the origin of the word was demeaning but overtime its meaning changed.
RealismOfLife 9 months ago
@RealismOfLife @laidbaqq realism all of a sudden you wanna talk like you have some sense...when you initial comment you had a problem with me discussing Gil and my opinion of his work....cause you feel that homosexual have it good and i shouldnt be talkin about that....this wasnt about a word meaning and contextual debate ...it was about you having a problem with how i choose to discuss Gil's death. You were rude and inappropriate to reprimand me for my choice of discuss on my fuckin channel
nochokin 9 months ago
@nochokin Well i wasn't really talking about you nochokin i was refering to the comments,people that dont even know shit about the man saying "Good he's dead" because of a poem called"faggot ball" come on!!!It's not that damn serious and they wasn't even listening to the lyrics or know the meaning of the poem, but they mad because the word faggit was used and now they praising the man's death. And i was replying to laidbaqq ,he's the one that talked about words being used.Stop cursing me out lol
RealismOfLife 9 months ago
@RealismOfLife cursing you out...like when you said "you wanna talk about bullshit gay chat...we discussin homeosexual shit again" nothing was directed at you specifically...just like no curse words you said was direct at me..... why cant i curse?
nochokin 9 months ago
@nochokin This is your channel you can do what ever you want :) Actin all superstar like and stuff , dont get big headed you still diamondstyles from bp !! "hehehe :)"
RealismOfLife 9 months ago
@RealismOfLife no im still diamond from Indianapolis that been on TV since i was in highschool before any of this....dont get it twist... a small bit of popularity is nothin new for me so its nothin to get a big head about ....it funny how people say you have the big head for doin what they are doin as well...cursin and commenting on a youtube video....
nochokin 9 months ago
@nochokin lol iight diamond mybad if i came off offensive
RealismOfLife 9 months ago
@RealismOfLife Only when being used by a black person, yes, the meaning certainly has changed. I'd rather not anyone call me a 'nigga'. I wish I would approach my elders and say "whats up my nigga" it would be downright disrespectful.
laidbaqq 9 months ago
@laidbaqq I don't really like the word myself especially around other groups of people, but i use it from time to time with people i know, i try to stop using it. But i can understand why some people say it , its because they can identify with people like them,you dont get no downer than being my homey , my brotha, or my nigga. But some people only have one definition of the word and that's why i dont really like seeing black pp using it around other ppl. Ofcourse i wouldn't call my elders that
RealismOfLife 9 months ago
Luv ya girl!
thatgirrl5 9 months ago
OMG, I'm so glad he's dead... He's easily one of the reasons Black people, especially Black men are so hateful... lol, I used think DMX was on the down low.... All growling and crap, one of the only rappers I used to hear say faggot in like every song, like why do you always gotta bring it up? lol
MadMaxxieXD 9 months ago
Ur sooooo right! I went to an all black catholic high school and every single guy that I went to school with that use to be extra hard on gay people or say stuff like, "I hate faggots." Those were the main ones that came out of the closet after high school. So I wouldn't be surprised if this man was trying to hide something.
ginabelle7 9 months ago
luv ya hair n great vid
marcell6464 9 months ago
real real real
shows10 9 months ago
Another great video from my girl Diamond Stylz!
jw90069 9 months ago
Yaaa First.!
66212345 9 months ago