MM’s video encyclopedia is a fantastic program. I was up to my nipples in first class trim in a matter of weeks. I've seen his programs on sale at 'sell dot com' for less than 10 bucks each. I wish I had seen them before I paid a couple of hundred.
@videogamejo - Actually, every interaction with women we are interested in has it's own step-by-step process. Doesn't matter where or when. If we are really interested, then we will all behave a certain way and say certain things. It's natural.
Pickup is just about making sure we are doing our best to create attraction... which REALLY means the woman is feeling the sensations she wants to feel. Regardless if you read it in a book, they won't even care. BTW women do the exact same thing.
@videogamejo - Sounds like you don't have pick-up artist as a goal and that's totally fine. But understand this is a pick-up artist method plan, so it's simply not going to be something you will ever agree with.
Anywhere you go there will always be some kind of competition for women. Be it at a club, the street or anyplace. If a girl is half-way decent, then rest assured other guys are never too far off. So it never hurts to understand attraction even if it feels "artificial" and "unnatural".
@videogamejo - Enough with the self-righteous drama-queen act! EVERYONE changes thier behavior around certain people depending if they want to be liked or disliked. EVERYONE does things to get certain results out of people. Both men and women have been doing specific things to attract each other since the beginning of time. Where have you been?
Being a "Real human being" is understanding and controling your behavior to suit your situation or environment in order to survive and thrive.
@videogamejo - If a person walks into a class to learn how to become a better man, then... he should be slapped silly for thinking a class would teach such a vague, generalized topic.
If a person walks into a class to to learn how to become more desireable to women, and he walks out over mystery's appearance, then it would go a long way towards explaining his need for such a class in the first place.
If a person walks into a class to learn how to become a better man and more desirable to women, and sees a man with a fluffy hat and water goggles, he should turn around and walk out.
Mystery know how to fuck people over in life. He makes people change their personalities and act like a moron with peacocking clothes instead of being a real human being.
@videogamejo Yep. But most of those followers are bullshitters too. I mean, despite so many fans, how many people have you actually seen practicing PUA tricks? No one probablt. All talk, no show. Everyone knows it's bullshit. They just like to pretend it's not on the internet. ;)
@videogamejo The Venusian Arts isn't meant to define your life, it's meant to enrich it! I used to game here and there. I never became an expert, BUT I CAN SAY THROUGH EXPERIENCE that what he speaks of is ABSOLUTE TRUTH!!!!!! There is a method to his madness. The whole purpose of his strange tactics is due to what NLP-educated individuals call a "map of reality." Each and every one of us has a different map of reality, or rather, an individual perspective of life/ reality.
@videogamejo (pt.2) Women of particular beauty have a very different map than "average women," so unfortunately, you cant just walk up to them and say "hi." YOU WILL BE SHUT DOWN! The purpose of Venusian Arts, not only helps you date more luxurious women, but it opens the gates of social dynamics as a whole! You will begin to understand how to read, understand and better communicate with people! By understanding your selected target's "map," you can build a reality that is foreign to her, which
@videogamejo (pt.3) forces her to reply off of what's called a "woman's intuition." Because so many men approach her in the same manner, she already has a preselected way of shutting them down, saving her time with conversing with "losers" (which we all know isnt necessarily the case. What a shame, right?) She relies on these "canned materials" to weed out "low value men" but she has no clue how to deal with men who are spontaneous and indifferent! What Mystery wears, works for him! That's HIS
@videogamejo identity! Not everyone should go out wearing what Mystery wears (though its not a bad idea to step out of your comfort zone. If what you're doing on a day-to-day basis isn't getting you results, then change it! You can ALWAYS change back if you don't like the new results) The purpose of the Mystery Method is to discover the BEST YOU THAT YOU CAN BE! - NOT MIMIC MYSTERY! His tactics and rules are only guidelines to what actually works and what women reply to! IT HAS BEEN FIELD TESTED
@Masterfailure I'm not saying his stuff would never work. I get the idea, it just seems artificial to me. Going to a club or a bar and competing with other men for women's attention is desperate in itself. Personally I would rather meet someone in a natural situation than try to manufacture a relationship based on what some guru told me to do and say on a step by step process. Its unnatural. And women will catch on.
@lakleo - He's not teaching anyone how to be an Alpha male, only to know and display enough of the characteristics in social situations so women pick up on it.
Same as teaching women who are far from being models a few make-up tricks to look younger/more attractive enough to catch more men's eyes. It's not to create "bluff women".
the fact, that he is teaching non-alpha males to be alpha-males (in his language) gives me a strange feeling somehow. feels like he teaches men how to be a bluff package :/
@mrjedidja - I'm not assigning a motivation to people about following this or that mehtod. It's a free country and if someone chooses to approach women en masse, that's thier choice however necessary it is or not. It doesn't make a difference to me personally and see no reason to judge people on that.
Funny side note, a lot of mystery's website is now geared towards social circle development (since you brought the term up).
There is plenty of time for connecting in an "honest" way after attraction has taken place. I've connected with women in an honest way many times, but without some initial attraction first, thier attention span won't allow them to care enough invest that time in you.
This is a course on pick-up, so obviously, it's not going to cover certain aspects of relationships. You'll have to read other books if that's what you care about.
@DavePazz If you have social circles, there is no need for this sort of retarded picking up chicks on the streets or in the clubs bullshit. It is fun, but proper relationships can hardly grow out of that (unless you do insane amounts of picking up, which is also retarded, because there are better things to do in life).
@DavePazz again, you see, the guys who get into this sort of bullshit are either folks with sex/relationship addiction issues or just guys who have no social circles.
@mrjedidja why do you spend so much time arguing about pickup if you dont care?? pickup methods work and help guys who havent learned these methods. if there are better things to do than pick up women, surely there are better things to do than argue about pickup online? haha loser
@mrjedidja youre not cricitizing, youre outright hating, and it is indeed pathetic. I bet if we looked into the girls youve fucked, or lack there of, you wouldnt be so high and mighty.
@mrjedidja - I have never dressed like a freak (not my style) but that doesn't mean that pushing the limits of acceptable dress can't work. I've seen guys at clubs who do this get the result they wanted from it.
The point is I've taken certain concepts and personalized them to suit me. After reading the book, it's clear that was a big message, not a cookie-cutter apprach or to have every club full of look-a-likes. That would defeat the purpose of all this, obviously.
@mrjedidja - I've had plenty of relationships where it was only about friendship from day one, and stayed that way. I never "pretend" to appreciate anyone, I don't know who you have met who goes through life faking emotions like that, but I'm sure they have other issues as well. Nothing here advises false appreciation, your personal desire is your own, nobody gives it to you.
Same with sexual desire. No book can "force" you have sex if you don't want to, you decide what you want to do.
@mrjedidja - I did learn a lot of other things from other books, yes some were the same types of concepts presented differently. I still read other books on the subject from time to time.
"No sir, that I dismiss his retarded look is not a naive move; in fact, it's an experienced one."
- I have also, in my day, dismissed plenty of freakish-looking wierdos at the clubs I'be been to in NY, L.A., Mass and Tx. The only reason I didn't in Mystery's case was because I had a thirst to read anything relating to attraction.
What can I say? Just glad I didn't have your "experienced" outlook in this case, because I ended up learning quite a lot or useful things.
"You are trying to justify his method as being kind of more natural than it is. It is not. "
- They aren't natural at first, only because of our preconcieved notions about the opposite sex and interactions in general. What's "natural" for most is to just be polite, friendly and not stand out in any way deemed to be "negative". That's great for just getting along, but when women enjoy ample selection, then most will be passed over. The guy who stands out (by using some techniques here) will not.
@DavePazz It's not natural to dress like a weirdo because someone told you that's a good way to pick up chicks. What's natural is to work on your qualities, expose them in social situations and connect with woman in an honest way (nothing Mystery talks about). But the problem is that some guys have trouble being honest with chicks, for whatever reason, so what that usually results in is them becoming NICE GUY (tm).
@DavePazz Being nice is not bad. Most people on the planet Earth are in fact nice. What is bad is being NICE GUY (tm) and that means pretending you appreciate the person when in fact all you are doing is trying to get into her pants. These are the sorts of friendships that either grow into romance or fall apart, because, the possibility for romance was the reason why friendship existed in the first place. And this has absolutely nothing to do with the way people naturally select partners.
@mrjedidja - I'd freely admit to anything that I believed in... be it positive or negative... so no, I cannot say the MM is bullshit because I've seen the techniques work exactly as described time and again under different circumstances and settings. So it's been quite useful.
As kakaroto311 said, these "techniques" are really just common sense things. I believed them to be "radical" at first, but they just seemed radical because I wasn't as observant during interactions as I should have been.
@mjedidja - Am not moving away from anything at all. From the very beginning I never sought to emulate anybody else's "lifestyle", I have my own life and own beliefs I don't need anyone else's. Sometimes if you want to gain knowledge, you have to be willing to look past what's on the surface and that's all I did.
It wasn't enough for me to simply read a book and disregard everything just because of a bias against the author or my own skepticism. I simply used it, observed the positive results.
@DavePazz If you have your own life and beliefs, you wouldn't have to dress like a weirdo, unless, you're a weirdo, but THEN you wouldn't need to be told to dress like one. Mystery's book is all about "one size fits all" and trying to argue against is making shit up and seeing things that aren't there.
Read the article "Former Venusian Arts Trainee Coach" on puahate google it because I can't post it here. and you will see Venusian Arts make violent threats to their customers.
Improving oneself, in any area, does require self-conscious work and desicions if you are serious about making a change. I have never believed that following this method (or any other) is an ends to itself... Just like following an excercise book doesn't mean you just drop out of your normal life and obsess over excercise.
I've also found the deeper I go into these tecniques, that there are no real "tricks". You have to be genuine and have a life that backs up your image (it's in the book too).
@DavePazz I'm pretty sure you are starting to move away from Mystery method, but kind of, you still don't want to admit it's a whole a lot of bullshit. ;)
@DavePazz It's like people moving away from crappy films or crappy music, but since they used to like them so much, it's kinda hard for them to accept it's bullshit yet. This is what I think your relationship with Mystery method is developing into. You are trying to justify his method as being kind of more natural than it is. It is not. It's fucking bollocks and I find it hilarious that you're attempting to do this.
@mrjedidja - Happiness in life relates to many factors and Mystery has his ups and downs like everyone else. In fact, Style's book reveals Mystery in his most dire moments. So no, I never assumed he had a perfectly happy life. And I don't believe he's actively picking up now anyway.
But all this focus on Mystery himself seems to me really pointless... I frankly couldn't care less if he's happy or not, he's not my life role-model I'm only interested in gathering effective information.
@mrjedidja - I was naive myself and yes, my first impression of his clothes was negative like the rest. But I've found that going with "typical" first reactions on everything keeps us from seeing a bigger picture.
At that point, I could have dismissed everything about Mystery entirely. But that's what "most" people would do, so Instead I delved into the principles further and became a careful observer. Of course, finding much of what he says to be really quite accurate.
@DavePazz People are not dismissing him, they know it's bollocks without having to dwelve deeper. When I see a quack, I usually don't have to examine him deeper to be certain he's one. This is because I know how quack looks like based on my previous experience. Your naivety, on the other hand, is a completely different thing and it's ridiculous to compare it to what I'm defending here. No sir, that I dismiss his retarded look is not a naive move; in fact, it's an experienced one.
next time i go out im gonna bring my headphones and hear him preach. After about 10mins into the club, i forget everything to initiate the conversation(open). Tho this was my first clubing since i started studying him...I am much more comfortable outdoors...
It's really not hard to pick up girls. You just need to educate yourself and luckily, there's some sick guides out there. "The Game" by Neil Strauss started things off for me and most recently, I've been using the techniques from P.Box.
Here's what you need to do:
Step 1: Go to MackMethods. com
Step 2: Get the "pandoras box" program
Step 3: Use the tips and blend it in with your own twist
Picking up girls is a skill and it's worth taking time to develop.
It's really not hard to pick up girls. You just need to educate yourself and luckily, there's some sick guides out there. "The Game" by Neil Strauss started things off for me and most recently, I've been using the techniques from P.Box.
Here's what you need to do:
Step 1: Go to MackMethods. com
Step 2: Get the "pandoras box" program
Step 3: Use the tips and blend it in with your own twist
Picking up girls is a skill and it's worth learning about.
Yes there is a method to his madness... like the last post said, the typical (clueless) male reaction is to make fun of his clothes and hat and immediately dismiss anything he has to say... Meanwhile, Mystery is busy stealing the girls right from under thier noses.
This tactic works extremely well because the average guy's reaction to anything that stands out from the norm (i.e. Mystery's hat) is to distrust and avoid. Women, on the other hand, find the deviation from the norm to be exciting.
@DavePazz So a racist female will find an opposing race exciting and attractive? Mystery's methods are often presumptive and should not be misunderstood with fact and/or science.
@SevenStringShredHead you mean "straw man" right? I disagree, you're welcome to argue your case but until then I don't give a fuck about your opinion random youtuber.
@wasdcontrols1 stick man, straw man, you obviously knew what i was talking about and chose to change the subject to terminology, rather than address my point
@SevenStringShredHead How have I changed the subject you fucking idiot? I corrected you and subsequently disagreed with your comment and asked you argue your case i.e. explain how my statement is a "straw man" argument/fallacy. If anything I was pulling you into the subject. Cunt.
@wasdcontrols1 and now you're using childish insults, yet expect me to respond to your request for legitimate conversation? i can already see where this is going
look, it's not that hard, DavePazz said "Women find the deviation from the norm to be exciting." then you said "So a racist female will find an opposing race exciting and attractive?"
that is obviously not the point he was trying to make, his point may very well be wrong but your comment does nothing to prove so
@DavePazz It's really naive to dismiss people making fun of his clothing style as their typical first reaction. It's not a first reaction for no reason. It's downright retarded, the kind of thing that doesn't require further thought. But we can go on and discuss it in detail if you want, it's just, it will be huge waste of time for us. The funny thing is that you keep assuming several things: 1) that this guy is busy stealing the girls and 2) that he actually has a happy life.
@mrjedidja DavePazz beat me to the response but he pretty much hit the nail on the head. there are no "tricks". had you read the book you would have noticed his techniques are very logical and simple.
@kakaroto311 His techniques are tricks. Everything he does is tricks. And it's pretty fucking obvious. I know you'd like it's not like that, but it is.
@kakaroto311 The interesting bit about how real life works is that people become desirable and attractive by working on themselves in a way that is not as self-conscious as what this guy suggests. People have intrinsic reasons to work on one thing and improve at that thing. When you expose this as your quality, you will most definitively meet lots of people who will find you attractive. The pathetic thing here is that this guys has no values himself, so he uses "tricks".
@kakaroto311 His story only really makes sense among bitter guys. The guys who already have skewed picture of reality. The so-called "nice guys". It might be good business to sell them this crap, but it does them little to no service. It's just a tax on their ignorance and bitterness.
@kakaroto311 He might be pathetic himself OR he might be some black-hat businessman. I wish he was the second one, but I'm afraid he's just a pathetic loser.
It's really not hard to pick up girls. You just need to educate yourself and luckily, there's some sick guides out there. "The Game" by Neil Strauss started things off for me and most recently, I've been using the techniques from P.Box.
Here's what you need to do:
Step 1: Go to MackMethods. com
Step 2: Get the "pandoras box" program
Step 3: Use the tips and blend it in with your own twist
Picking up girls is a skill. Educate yourself and you'll laugh at how easy it is
It's really not hard to pick up girls. You just need to educate yourself and luckily, there's some sick guides out there. "The Game" by Neil Strauss started things off for me and most recently, I've been using the techniques from P.Box.
Here's what you need to do:
Step 1: Go to MackMethods. com
Step 2: Get the "pandoras box" program
Step 3: Use the tips and blend it in with your own twist
Picking up girls is a skill. Educate yourself and you'll laugh at how easy it is.
@TheFlam3head Learn the true history of the "community" before you speak.
It actually takes a lot longer to get really good anyway. More like five years as an AFC (like Mystery and most of the others had), plus another 10-15 as a PUA before you really hit your prime. Kind of like being a professional athlete.
Men are better off starting as AFCs anyway. A strong AFC generally defeats a strong PUA. Most AFCs are weak however.
"No! Mysteries techniques might work on some levels"
- They are not "Mystery's techniques", he never created any of them. He simply observed what worked and what didn't. If you've observed something work time and again, then they don't work "on some levels" but all of them.
"but it's only for homos that are trying to make themselves look SOOO gay"
No! Mysteries techniques might work on some levels, but it's only for homos that are trying to make themselves look SOOO gay..
If you wanna learn to pickup chicks, guys contact me & I'll give you the needed info. You will never pick her up by selling yourself.... The only way a guy can pick her up is by using the right techniques that work best from the start.
This shit is out here just to throw guys off & make them give up, cuz to be real here: Who gets his shit? Nobody, cuz it's plain shit!
It's really not hard to pick up girls. You just need to educate yourself and luckily, there's some sick guides out there. "The Game" by Neil Strauss started things off for me and most recently, I've been using the techniques from P.Box.
Here's what you need to do:
Step 1: Go to MackMethods. com
Step 2: Get the "pandoras box" program
Step 3: Use the tips and blend it in with your own twist
Picking up girls is a skill. Educate yourself and you'll laugh at how easy it is.
Im only in High School and I use this after it was introduced to me by my cousins. Its funny how well this works. I went from getting whatever girl I could, to whatever girl I WANT. Bitches be flockin around me now
In order to be yourself, you must know yourself. If you are going out, talking to women, and are actively observing yourself, then you get to know yourself better. All the PUAs teach is the technical aspects.
Wanna dress like a clown, learn DHV stories, routines, openers to pick up woman, buying products from self named PU-gurus with stuff that fucks your brain?
Wommen, human beings were named as a set?! WTF
Wanna be a fake of yourself with all those fuckin stories you tell that are not true?
Sure, you all might get laid, but later on she will find out that your a fake, full of BS who has no life. Your heading for the next woman.
WTF?
Just fuck that shit and be real, be yourself, be a MAN!
@Piggeldy111 You know, you can incorporate nearly all of his advice without lying and use your real experiences and stories. And don't you think guys have tried pure, up front honesty with no gameplan? Girls don't respond to it. They just don't. There's nothing wrong with giving yourself a set strategy to talk to a pretty girl. From it can come genuine relationships and conversations. But you don't seem to realize how high most women have set that first hurdle.
"Rape myths are stereotypical or false beliefs about the culpability of victims, the innocence of rapists, and the illegitimacy of rape as a serious crime" (Chapleau, Oswald & Russell, 2008)
"I don't know why he bothers spewing all his theories on human behavior and evolutionary pysch"
- Because that's the foundation of why we are attracted to some, and not others. It's a very important thing to know before anything else can makse sense, obviously.
"The reason we like him is he broke down social interaction well. That's all"
- No, that's not all... without understanding the principles of social dynamics, we can never go beyond what he teaches at some point.
It's really not hard to pick up girls. You just need to educate yourself and luckily, there's some sick guides out there. "The Game" by Neil Strauss started things off for me and most recently, I've been using the techniques from P.Box.
Here's what you need to do:
Step 1: Go to MackMethods. com
Step 2: Get the "pandoras box" program
Step 3: Use the tips and blend it in with your own twist
Picking up girls is a skill. Educate yourself and you'll laugh at how easy it is
It's really not hard to pick up girls. You just need to educate yourself and luckily, there's some sick guides out there. "The Game" by Neil Strauss started things off for me and most recently, I've been using the techniques from P.Box.
Here's what you need to do:
Step 1: Go to MackMethods. com
Step 2: Get the "pandoras box" program
Step 3: Use the tips and blend it in with your own twist
Picking up girls is a skill. Educate yourself and you'll laugh at how easy it is.
Lets play WHos God IS REAL! IT"S ME DARKNESS WE ARE SAVING YOU! Hate is death and pretend flipped devil; it's not real LOVE IS EVOLUTION! Y is being processed.
"This is the core myth of the PUA industry. Attraction can't be created."
- Can it be created all the time and with every women on earth? No... nobody ever claimed this and Mystery explains it in his book anyway. This is not really a "core myth" in my opinion because I never felt this idea was pushed in the first place.
Only after reading the many books does one realize that it's just about us putting out most attrative self forward. Same as women who put on sexy clothes for the clubs.
"(1) he is of above average physical attractiveness; and (b) he has cultural capital. That is all."
- A fair number a women post negative comments about Mystery's looks all the time here. Are they lying? who knows...
But if we followed through on your 2 requirements in attraction would mean that the only men on earth to ever attract and mate with females would be wealthy/famous male models and no one else.
"They aren't correct and actually fly in the face evolutionary psychology and biology and neuroscience."
- I never claimed sexual attraction was entirely dependant upon language. But humans have to speak to each other, and obviously, certain talk can kill attraction entirely in a pickup situation ("talking about your dead mother, how you have no money and depressed, ect.) and other talk will reinforce a positive image.
"There are lots of results in social psychology, evolutionary psychology, ethology, primatology, evolutionary biology, and neuroscience that actually contradict their claims."
- And lots that fall right in line with thier claims.
"If you want to take the pontifications of a guy sitting on a bar stool as gospel then the loss is entirely yours."
- I don't take anything anyone says as "gospel". I simply agree with much of what Mystery says because I've seen it work time and again.
"Is it necessary to evoke exotic pseudoscientific explanations for the fact that a guy that is of above average physical attractiveness and with cultural capital is successful with women?"
- Mystery does not have "above-average phsyical attractiveness" (highly subjective anyway, lots of people say he is flat out ugly) and he has cultural capital today, not years ago when he was actually playing the game. Before the books, before the TV show, he was a regular guy picking up women.
This is a terrible misreading of basic evolutionary psychology that is self-refuting. If the neural circuits relating to sexual attraction were able to be so readily subverted or exploited they wouldn't have survived -- the genes that produce them would have vanished a long time ago. This guy is good with woman for two simple reasons: (1) he is of above average physical attractiveness; and (b) he has cultural capital. That is all.
Is it necessary to evoke exotic pseudoscientific explanations for the fact that a guy that is of above average physical attractiveness and with cultural capital is successful with women?
"You don't need tactics. You just need to have a good time and give out good vibes and everything happens naturally"
- That works if you're goal is just to make casual friends and don't care about the outcome of any interaction with the ladies of the group. But this is about attraction and seduction... you have to have some game plan for that.
"Tactics are lame and you'll feel and act contrived."
- If that's how you feel then you haven't done them right.
You don't need tactics. You just need to have a good time and give out good vibes and everything happens naturally. Tactics are lame and you'll feel and act contrived.
"i recognize the knowledge about social dynamics is ok, i learn it, i practice it and it true....but when people idolize him...BITCH PLEASE"
- I agree Mystery should not be "idolized" because, although his observations are correct, whatever we make of ourselves will be though our own efforts... not because of Mystery. It's simply that he did something most of us SHOULD have as well, that is be very observant and learn from what we observe.
@DavePazz "although his observations are correct" They aren't correct and actually fly in the face evolutionary psychology and biology and neuroscience. The drive for sex -- which is the basis of attraction -- evolutionarily pre-dates the development of affects (emotions) and comes from a completely different part of our brains. The human neurology that drives sex is that same as that found in all mammals and even reptiles. It is pre-linguistic, pre-affective and pre-cognitive.
Mystery is a Nerd who tries to not look like a nerd by putting names to things guys like Giaccomo Cassanova did without talking so much, i recognize the knowledge about social dynamics is ok, i learn it, i practice it and it true....but when people idolize him...BITCH PLEASE
It's really not hard to pick up girls. You just need to educate yourself and luckily, there's some sick guides out there. "The Game" by Neil Strauss started things off for me and most recently, I've been using the techniques from P.Box.
Here's what you need to do:
Step 1: Go to MackMethods. com
Step 2: Get the "pandoras box" program
Step 3: Use the tips and blend it in with your own twist
Picking up girls is a skill. Educate yourself and you'll laugh at how easy it is.
yo, everybody come check out my brand new website!
pickup-artists-exposed.webs.com (still too broke to take of the.webs lol)
i literally break down all the fallacies in mystery method and other PUA techniques and show you why theyre all bullshit! :) i took my time and did this because i got tired of people falling for these idiots like i once did... :/
"Instead of ignoring a woman, peacocking and negging, classics like telling a woman straight in her eyes 'I like you, I am attracted to you and wanna know you better.'' never dies."
- Uh, yes it does... when it's said countless times by countless guys.
Remember this method is for the most attractive women. Average women MIGHT be dazzled by your unoriginal approach simply because they don't get attention from men. You are commenting as if the MM was a simple dating book, which it's not...
"real woman know and will notice instantly a difference between con artist (PUA) and real man."
- PUA is not a "con" same as women wearing make-up is not a con. And even a "real man" has to use these techniques or lose out.
"But remember about honesty and being real."
- The only "honesty and being real" women care about is if you make them feel the sexy sensations, absolutely nothing else matters in a pick up interaction.
@DavePazz 'The only "honesty and being real" women care about is if you make them feel the sexy sensations, absolutely nothing else matters in a pick up interaction.' They won't feel "sexy sensation" unless they are already attracted to you in the first place in which case everything else is redundant. Any escalation of intimacy with a women that finds you unatrractive will be automatically experienced as "creepy".
PUA is made to get teen girls, real woman know and will notice instantly a difference between con artist (PUA) and real man. Sometimes it gets kinda sneaky and weird. Woman know everything about seduction and will like the idea you seduce them the way they seduce you. But remember about honesty and being real. Instead of ignoring a woman, peacocking and negging, classics like telling a woman straight in her eyes 'I like you, I am attracted to you and wanna know you better.'' never dies.
@JiggaNiggaFigga "PUA is made to get teen girls" No PUA is made to get men in the same way that overpriced baits/lures are made to get fishermen and not fish :)
"1 thing ALL girls HATE about guys is, most of em are afraid2ask em2be their girl..."
- Translated from girlspeak, the above statement means "I'm bored by the guys that usually appraoch me."
Yes, having balls is important because you won't get anywhere without courage. But that's far from all you need. Women get approached far more often that they will admit to, so it becomes very easy to just come off as just another guy if you don't understand some basic principles of attraction.
"If u want a chick, simply come up2her2say something like: "Hey, I find u really fuckin sexy & I'm gonna get2know u!"
- This might work on girls who either don't get out much or have average looks. But the hottest looking, way above average women? Not a chance.
They may not let on, but trust me... the truly hottest women have seen and heard just about everything from a variety of guys every time they go out. There is nothing seperating your diolouge from dozens of others.
I don't get Mystery's logics... just get right to the point, youn dumb fool! If anyone wants a shitty technique that works very well: Shoot me a line.
1st suggestion is chicks aren't attracted to "Nice Guys" as much as they're to "Badboys". However, Badboys should respect every girl though.
It's really not hard to pick up girls. You just need to educate yourself and luckily, there's some sick guides out there. "The Game" by Neil Strauss started things off for me and most recently, I've been using the techniques from P.Box
Here's what you need to do
Step 1: Go to MackMethods. com
Step 2: Get the "pandoras box" program
Step 3: Use the tips and blend it in with your own twist
Picking up girls is a skill. Educate yourself and you'll laugh at how easy it is.
If u want a chick, simply come up2her2say something like: "Hey, I find u really fuckin sexy & I'm gonna get2know u! So, tell me something about yourself, what's ur name?" & then, throw in a 20% dirtier line after like 5 mins. Like: "Mmm... Ur so fine that I want u rite now." Or "I'm gonna have some fun wit u 2nite!"
-- Guys,u shood pickup girls.U have balls. 1 thing ALL girls HATE about guys is, most of em are afraid2ask em2be their girl...
"Then don't make fucking theories when you're no fucking Phd. Stop telling people about preselection when other things can better explain things. This is the main beef I have with this guy"
- I understand and thanks for the explanation. I can't tell anyone what to like or dislike.
I'm personally indifferent on that matter. I just take this as a "how to" book and haven't experienced any harmful effects from the false theories... quite the contrary.
It's really not hard to pick up girls. You just need to educate yourself and luckily, there's some sick guides out there. "The Game" by Neil Strauss started things off for me and most recently, I've been using the techniques from P.Box
Here's what you need to do
Step 1: Go to MackMethods. com
Step 2: Get the "pandoras box" program
Step 3: Use the tips and blend it in with your own twist
Picking up girls is a skill. Educate yourself and you'll laugh at how easy it is
We don't all learn everything from reading scientific journals... we also learn a great deal from regular people... thier own experiences and wisdom. I'm just thankful for those who'se advice actually worked.
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MM’s video encyclopedia is a fantastic program. I was up to my nipples in first class trim in a matter of weeks. I've seen his programs on sale at 'sell dot com' for less than 10 bucks each. I wish I had seen them before I paid a couple of hundred.
john19034 17 hours ago
@videogamejo - Actually, every interaction with women we are interested in has it's own step-by-step process. Doesn't matter where or when. If we are really interested, then we will all behave a certain way and say certain things. It's natural.
Pickup is just about making sure we are doing our best to create attraction... which REALLY means the woman is feeling the sensations she wants to feel. Regardless if you read it in a book, they won't even care. BTW women do the exact same thing.
DavePazz 3 days ago
@videogamejo - Sounds like you don't have pick-up artist as a goal and that's totally fine. But understand this is a pick-up artist method plan, so it's simply not going to be something you will ever agree with.
Anywhere you go there will always be some kind of competition for women. Be it at a club, the street or anyplace. If a girl is half-way decent, then rest assured other guys are never too far off. So it never hurts to understand attraction even if it feels "artificial" and "unnatural".
DavePazz 3 days ago
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ROC4Life96 4 days ago
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@wilfffilmkijken - I guess it's just like how you pretend to actually have relevance or actually know something on this subject...
or maybe you're not pretending, which would make you dellusional. Pretty sad.
DavePazz 6 days ago
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@videogamejo - Enough with the self-righteous drama-queen act! EVERYONE changes thier behavior around certain people depending if they want to be liked or disliked. EVERYONE does things to get certain results out of people. Both men and women have been doing specific things to attract each other since the beginning of time. Where have you been?
Being a "Real human being" is understanding and controling your behavior to suit your situation or environment in order to survive and thrive.
DavePazz 6 days ago
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"Your right. You definately need more lube and a thicker condom if you want to get fucked on the ass by that kind of guy."
- Let's try to keep your personal fantasies out of this discussion ok?
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What if she has fleas
boarding5401 1 week ago
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@videogamejo - If a person walks into a class to learn how to become a better man, then... he should be slapped silly for thinking a class would teach such a vague, generalized topic.
If a person walks into a class to to learn how to become more desireable to women, and he walks out over mystery's appearance, then it would go a long way towards explaining his need for such a class in the first place.
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If a person walks into a class to learn how to become a better man and more desirable to women, and sees a man with a fluffy hat and water goggles, he should turn around and walk out.
videogamejo 1 week ago
@videogamejo Your right. You definately need more lube and a thicker condom if you want to get fucked on the ass by that kind of guy.
wilfffilmkijken 1 week ago
@wilfffilmkijken
Mystery know how to fuck people over in life. He makes people change their personalities and act like a moron with peacocking clothes instead of being a real human being.
videogamejo 1 week ago
@videogamejo Yep. But most of those followers are bullshitters too. I mean, despite so many fans, how many people have you actually seen practicing PUA tricks? No one probablt. All talk, no show. Everyone knows it's bullshit. They just like to pretend it's not on the internet. ;)
wilfffilmkijken 1 week ago
@videogamejo The Venusian Arts isn't meant to define your life, it's meant to enrich it! I used to game here and there. I never became an expert, BUT I CAN SAY THROUGH EXPERIENCE that what he speaks of is ABSOLUTE TRUTH!!!!!! There is a method to his madness. The whole purpose of his strange tactics is due to what NLP-educated individuals call a "map of reality." Each and every one of us has a different map of reality, or rather, an individual perspective of life/ reality.
Masterfailure 4 days ago
@videogamejo (pt.2) Women of particular beauty have a very different map than "average women," so unfortunately, you cant just walk up to them and say "hi." YOU WILL BE SHUT DOWN! The purpose of Venusian Arts, not only helps you date more luxurious women, but it opens the gates of social dynamics as a whole! You will begin to understand how to read, understand and better communicate with people! By understanding your selected target's "map," you can build a reality that is foreign to her, which
Masterfailure 4 days ago
@videogamejo (pt.3) forces her to reply off of what's called a "woman's intuition." Because so many men approach her in the same manner, she already has a preselected way of shutting them down, saving her time with conversing with "losers" (which we all know isnt necessarily the case. What a shame, right?) She relies on these "canned materials" to weed out "low value men" but she has no clue how to deal with men who are spontaneous and indifferent! What Mystery wears, works for him! That's HIS
Masterfailure 4 days ago
@videogamejo identity! Not everyone should go out wearing what Mystery wears (though its not a bad idea to step out of your comfort zone. If what you're doing on a day-to-day basis isn't getting you results, then change it! You can ALWAYS change back if you don't like the new results) The purpose of the Mystery Method is to discover the BEST YOU THAT YOU CAN BE! - NOT MIMIC MYSTERY! His tactics and rules are only guidelines to what actually works and what women reply to! IT HAS BEEN FIELD TESTED
Masterfailure 4 days ago
@Masterfailure I'm not saying his stuff would never work. I get the idea, it just seems artificial to me. Going to a club or a bar and competing with other men for women's attention is desperate in itself. Personally I would rather meet someone in a natural situation than try to manufacture a relationship based on what some guru told me to do and say on a step by step process. Its unnatural. And women will catch on.
videogamejo 4 days ago
@lakleo - He's not teaching anyone how to be an Alpha male, only to know and display enough of the characteristics in social situations so women pick up on it.
Same as teaching women who are far from being models a few make-up tricks to look younger/more attractive enough to catch more men's eyes. It's not to create "bluff women".
DavePazz 2 weeks ago
the fact, that he is teaching non-alpha males to be alpha-males (in his language) gives me a strange feeling somehow. feels like he teaches men how to be a bluff package :/
lakleo 2 weeks ago
@mrjedidja - I'm not assigning a motivation to people about following this or that mehtod. It's a free country and if someone chooses to approach women en masse, that's thier choice however necessary it is or not. It doesn't make a difference to me personally and see no reason to judge people on that.
Funny side note, a lot of mystery's website is now geared towards social circle development (since you brought the term up).
DavePazz 3 weeks ago
@DavePazz of course, he's trying to step up his business and move from the old pathetic non-sense. it's still pathetic, but kinda less pathetic.
mrjedidja 2 weeks ago
There is plenty of time for connecting in an "honest" way after attraction has taken place. I've connected with women in an honest way many times, but without some initial attraction first, thier attention span won't allow them to care enough invest that time in you.
This is a course on pick-up, so obviously, it's not going to cover certain aspects of relationships. You'll have to read other books if that's what you care about.
DavePazz 3 weeks ago
@DavePazz If you have social circles, there is no need for this sort of retarded picking up chicks on the streets or in the clubs bullshit. It is fun, but proper relationships can hardly grow out of that (unless you do insane amounts of picking up, which is also retarded, because there are better things to do in life).
mrjedidja 3 weeks ago
@DavePazz again, you see, the guys who get into this sort of bullshit are either folks with sex/relationship addiction issues or just guys who have no social circles.
mrjedidja 3 weeks ago
@mrjedidja why do you spend so much time arguing about pickup if you dont care?? pickup methods work and help guys who havent learned these methods. if there are better things to do than pick up women, surely there are better things to do than argue about pickup online? haha loser
revolutionist14 2 weeks ago
@revolutionist14 you should learn how to deal with and how to embrace criticism instead of making this sort of pathetic responses ;)
mrjedidja 2 weeks ago
@mrjedidja actually its your responses that are pathetic. coming out of your way to criticize guys who are trying to learn a little game
revolutionist14 2 weeks ago
@revolutionist14 criticism is NEVER pathetic. it is the people who respond defensively to criticism that are pathetic. get back to the topic now.
mrjedidja 2 weeks ago
@mrjedidja youre not cricitizing, youre outright hating, and it is indeed pathetic. I bet if we looked into the girls youve fucked, or lack there of, you wouldnt be so high and mighty.
revolutionist14 2 weeks ago
@revolutionist14 hating is criticism too and you should fucking stop being baby.
mrjedidja 2 weeks ago
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@mrjedidja - I have never dressed like a freak (not my style) but that doesn't mean that pushing the limits of acceptable dress can't work. I've seen guys at clubs who do this get the result they wanted from it.
The point is I've taken certain concepts and personalized them to suit me. After reading the book, it's clear that was a big message, not a cookie-cutter apprach or to have every club full of look-a-likes. That would defeat the purpose of all this, obviously.
DavePazz 3 weeks ago
@mrjedidja - I've had plenty of relationships where it was only about friendship from day one, and stayed that way. I never "pretend" to appreciate anyone, I don't know who you have met who goes through life faking emotions like that, but I'm sure they have other issues as well. Nothing here advises false appreciation, your personal desire is your own, nobody gives it to you.
Same with sexual desire. No book can "force" you have sex if you don't want to, you decide what you want to do.
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@mrjedidja - I did learn a lot of other things from other books, yes some were the same types of concepts presented differently. I still read other books on the subject from time to time.
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"No sir, that I dismiss his retarded look is not a naive move; in fact, it's an experienced one."
- I have also, in my day, dismissed plenty of freakish-looking wierdos at the clubs I'be been to in NY, L.A., Mass and Tx. The only reason I didn't in Mystery's case was because I had a thirst to read anything relating to attraction.
What can I say? Just glad I didn't have your "experienced" outlook in this case, because I ended up learning quite a lot or useful things.
DavePazz 3 weeks ago
@DavePazz You could have learned the same without this book. Unfortunately, you will never realize.
mrjedidja 3 weeks ago
"You are trying to justify his method as being kind of more natural than it is. It is not. "
- They aren't natural at first, only because of our preconcieved notions about the opposite sex and interactions in general. What's "natural" for most is to just be polite, friendly and not stand out in any way deemed to be "negative". That's great for just getting along, but when women enjoy ample selection, then most will be passed over. The guy who stands out (by using some techniques here) will not.
DavePazz 3 weeks ago
@DavePazz It's not natural to dress like a weirdo because someone told you that's a good way to pick up chicks. What's natural is to work on your qualities, expose them in social situations and connect with woman in an honest way (nothing Mystery talks about). But the problem is that some guys have trouble being honest with chicks, for whatever reason, so what that usually results in is them becoming NICE GUY (tm).
mrjedidja 3 weeks ago
@DavePazz Being nice is not bad. Most people on the planet Earth are in fact nice. What is bad is being NICE GUY (tm) and that means pretending you appreciate the person when in fact all you are doing is trying to get into her pants. These are the sorts of friendships that either grow into romance or fall apart, because, the possibility for romance was the reason why friendship existed in the first place. And this has absolutely nothing to do with the way people naturally select partners.
mrjedidja 3 weeks ago
@mrjedidja - I'd freely admit to anything that I believed in... be it positive or negative... so no, I cannot say the MM is bullshit because I've seen the techniques work exactly as described time and again under different circumstances and settings. So it's been quite useful.
As kakaroto311 said, these "techniques" are really just common sense things. I believed them to be "radical" at first, but they just seemed radical because I wasn't as observant during interactions as I should have been.
DavePazz 3 weeks ago
@mjedidja - Am not moving away from anything at all. From the very beginning I never sought to emulate anybody else's "lifestyle", I have my own life and own beliefs I don't need anyone else's. Sometimes if you want to gain knowledge, you have to be willing to look past what's on the surface and that's all I did.
It wasn't enough for me to simply read a book and disregard everything just because of a bias against the author or my own skepticism. I simply used it, observed the positive results.
DavePazz 3 weeks ago
@DavePazz If you have your own life and beliefs, you wouldn't have to dress like a weirdo, unless, you're a weirdo, but THEN you wouldn't need to be told to dress like one. Mystery's book is all about "one size fits all" and trying to argue against is making shit up and seeing things that aren't there.
mrjedidja 3 weeks ago
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Read the article "Former Venusian Arts Trainee Coach" on puahate google it because I can't post it here. and you will see Venusian Arts make violent threats to their customers.
CFLACk8472 3 weeks ago
Improving oneself, in any area, does require self-conscious work and desicions if you are serious about making a change. I have never believed that following this method (or any other) is an ends to itself... Just like following an excercise book doesn't mean you just drop out of your normal life and obsess over excercise.
I've also found the deeper I go into these tecniques, that there are no real "tricks". You have to be genuine and have a life that backs up your image (it's in the book too).
DavePazz 3 weeks ago
@DavePazz I'm pretty sure you are starting to move away from Mystery method, but kind of, you still don't want to admit it's a whole a lot of bullshit. ;)
mrjedidja 3 weeks ago
@DavePazz It's like people moving away from crappy films or crappy music, but since they used to like them so much, it's kinda hard for them to accept it's bullshit yet. This is what I think your relationship with Mystery method is developing into. You are trying to justify his method as being kind of more natural than it is. It is not. It's fucking bollocks and I find it hilarious that you're attempting to do this.
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DavePazz 3 weeks ago
@mrjedidja - Happiness in life relates to many factors and Mystery has his ups and downs like everyone else. In fact, Style's book reveals Mystery in his most dire moments. So no, I never assumed he had a perfectly happy life. And I don't believe he's actively picking up now anyway.
But all this focus on Mystery himself seems to me really pointless... I frankly couldn't care less if he's happy or not, he's not my life role-model I'm only interested in gathering effective information.
DavePazz 3 weeks ago
@DavePazz regarding Mystery's life, kakoroto brought it up, so I just responded to that non-sense.
mrjedidja 3 weeks ago
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BallerSkier 3 weeks ago
@mrjedidja - I was naive myself and yes, my first impression of his clothes was negative like the rest. But I've found that going with "typical" first reactions on everything keeps us from seeing a bigger picture.
At that point, I could have dismissed everything about Mystery entirely. But that's what "most" people would do, so Instead I delved into the principles further and became a careful observer. Of course, finding much of what he says to be really quite accurate.
DavePazz 3 weeks ago
@DavePazz People are not dismissing him, they know it's bollocks without having to dwelve deeper. When I see a quack, I usually don't have to examine him deeper to be certain he's one. This is because I know how quack looks like based on my previous experience. Your naivety, on the other hand, is a completely different thing and it's ridiculous to compare it to what I'm defending here. No sir, that I dismiss his retarded look is not a naive move; in fact, it's an experienced one.
mrjedidja 3 weeks ago
next time i go out im gonna bring my headphones and hear him preach. After about 10mins into the club, i forget everything to initiate the conversation(open). Tho this was my first clubing since i started studying him...I am much more comfortable outdoors...
TheElectroMeister 1 month ago
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"So a racist female will find an opposing race exciting and attractive?"
- How did you even conclude that?
"Mystery's methods are often presumptive and should not be misunderstood with fact and/or science."
- Funny, then, how when guys do the total opposite of whats mentioned here, it most certainly leads to disinterest from women.
DavePazz 1 month ago
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Guys,
It's really not hard to pick up girls. You just need to educate yourself and luckily, there's some sick guides out there. "The Game" by Neil Strauss started things off for me and most recently, I've been using the techniques from P.Box.
Here's what you need to do:
Step 1: Go to MackMethods. com
Step 2: Get the "pandoras box" program
Step 3: Use the tips and blend it in with your own twist
Picking up girls is a skill and it's worth taking time to develop.
FreeOnlineWorkouts 1 month ago
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Guys,
It's really not hard to pick up girls. You just need to educate yourself and luckily, there's some sick guides out there. "The Game" by Neil Strauss started things off for me and most recently, I've been using the techniques from P.Box.
Here's what you need to do:
Step 1: Go to MackMethods. com
Step 2: Get the "pandoras box" program
Step 3: Use the tips and blend it in with your own twist
Picking up girls is a skill and it's worth learning about.
LadyboyHunter 1 month ago
This dude is like a Social Scientist
NineOneOnePhlame 1 month ago
Yes there is a method to his madness... like the last post said, the typical (clueless) male reaction is to make fun of his clothes and hat and immediately dismiss anything he has to say... Meanwhile, Mystery is busy stealing the girls right from under thier noses.
This tactic works extremely well because the average guy's reaction to anything that stands out from the norm (i.e. Mystery's hat) is to distrust and avoid. Women, on the other hand, find the deviation from the norm to be exciting.
DavePazz 1 month ago
@DavePazz So a racist female will find an opposing race exciting and attractive? Mystery's methods are often presumptive and should not be misunderstood with fact and/or science.
wasdcontrols1 1 month ago
@wasdcontrols1 stick man argument much?
SevenStringShredHead 1 month ago
@SevenStringShredHead you mean "straw man" right? I disagree, you're welcome to argue your case but until then I don't give a fuck about your opinion random youtuber.
wasdcontrols1 4 weeks ago
@wasdcontrols1 stick man, straw man, you obviously knew what i was talking about and chose to change the subject to terminology, rather than address my point
SevenStringShredHead 4 weeks ago
@SevenStringShredHead How have I changed the subject you fucking idiot? I corrected you and subsequently disagreed with your comment and asked you argue your case i.e. explain how my statement is a "straw man" argument/fallacy. If anything I was pulling you into the subject. Cunt.
wasdcontrols1 4 weeks ago
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@wasdcontrols1 and now you're using childish insults, yet expect me to respond to your request for legitimate conversation? i can already see where this is going
look, it's not that hard, DavePazz said "Women find the deviation from the norm to be exciting." then you said "So a racist female will find an opposing race exciting and attractive?"
that is obviously not the point he was trying to make, his point may very well be wrong but your comment does nothing to prove so
SevenStringShredHead 3 weeks ago
@DavePazz It's really naive to dismiss people making fun of his clothing style as their typical first reaction. It's not a first reaction for no reason. It's downright retarded, the kind of thing that doesn't require further thought. But we can go on and discuss it in detail if you want, it's just, it will be huge waste of time for us. The funny thing is that you keep assuming several things: 1) that this guy is busy stealing the girls and 2) that he actually has a happy life.
mrjedidja 3 weeks ago
@mrjedidja DavePazz beat me to the response but he pretty much hit the nail on the head. there are no "tricks". had you read the book you would have noticed his techniques are very logical and simple.
kakaroto311 3 weeks ago
@kakaroto311 His techniques are tricks. Everything he does is tricks. And it's pretty fucking obvious. I know you'd like it's not like that, but it is.
mrjedidja 3 weeks ago
everyone commenting on his clothes are doing exactly what he wants u to do. if u read his book u would know theres a method to his madness :)
kakaroto311 1 month ago
@kakaroto311 The interesting bit about how real life works is that people become desirable and attractive by working on themselves in a way that is not as self-conscious as what this guy suggests. People have intrinsic reasons to work on one thing and improve at that thing. When you expose this as your quality, you will most definitively meet lots of people who will find you attractive. The pathetic thing here is that this guys has no values himself, so he uses "tricks".
mrjedidja 3 weeks ago
@kakaroto311 His story only really makes sense among bitter guys. The guys who already have skewed picture of reality. The so-called "nice guys". It might be good business to sell them this crap, but it does them little to no service. It's just a tax on their ignorance and bitterness.
mrjedidja 3 weeks ago
@kakaroto311 He might be pathetic himself OR he might be some black-hat businessman. I wish he was the second one, but I'm afraid he's just a pathetic loser.
mrjedidja 3 weeks ago
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Guys,
It's really not hard to pick up girls. You just need to educate yourself and luckily, there's some sick guides out there. "The Game" by Neil Strauss started things off for me and most recently, I've been using the techniques from P.Box.
Here's what you need to do:
Step 1: Go to MackMethods. com
Step 2: Get the "pandoras box" program
Step 3: Use the tips and blend it in with your own twist
Picking up girls is a skill. Educate yourself and you'll laugh at how easy it is
BillTheTrainer 1 month ago
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Guys,
It's really not hard to pick up girls. You just need to educate yourself and luckily, there's some sick guides out there. "The Game" by Neil Strauss started things off for me and most recently, I've been using the techniques from P.Box.
Here's what you need to do:
Step 1: Go to MackMethods. com
Step 2: Get the "pandoras box" program
Step 3: Use the tips and blend it in with your own twist
Picking up girls is a skill. Educate yourself and you'll laugh at how easy it is.
MMArtist99 1 month ago
he's right about girls touching their hair I see that shit all the time, you know with a fly mothatrucka like myself its 24/7. alright im done.
lyles32386 1 month ago
it takes 6 months of continuious practice to even begin to start being a true pua says mystery/style
TheFlam3head 1 month ago
@TheFlam3head Learn the true history of the "community" before you speak.
It actually takes a lot longer to get really good anyway. More like five years as an AFC (like Mystery and most of the others had), plus another 10-15 as a PUA before you really hit your prime. Kind of like being a professional athlete.
Men are better off starting as AFCs anyway. A strong AFC generally defeats a strong PUA. Most AFCs are weak however.
freePUAbootcamp 1 month ago
@karlsmith00 Brain Cancer actually. Close call
CelaMayne 1 month ago
@karlsmith00 My mother's dead, and you wouldn't know anything about the girls I get. You stupid cunt, go be an ignorant faggot somewhere else.
CelaMayne 1 month ago
what a douche bag
UNo0b 1 month ago
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DavePazz 1 month ago
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"No! Mysteries techniques might work on some levels"
- They are not "Mystery's techniques", he never created any of them. He simply observed what worked and what didn't. If you've observed something work time and again, then they don't work "on some levels" but all of them.
"but it's only for homos that are trying to make themselves look SOOO gay"
- Show where he says this.
"You will never pick her up by selling yourself"
- That's not stated anywhere here either.
DavePazz 1 month ago
No! Mysteries techniques might work on some levels, but it's only for homos that are trying to make themselves look SOOO gay..
If you wanna learn to pickup chicks, guys contact me & I'll give you the needed info. You will never pick her up by selling yourself.... The only way a guy can pick her up is by using the right techniques that work best from the start.
This shit is out here just to throw guys off & make them give up, cuz to be real here: Who gets his shit? Nobody, cuz it's plain shit!
Igoryok1990 1 month ago
Minister for silly hats
killdeslm 1 month ago
those who're criticizing him should consider reading " The Game " by Neil Strauss, aformer pickup artist himself.
This guy popularised a trend, a fad,a desire, into much bigger thing.
T'day an entire industrty giving dating advices n teaching about seduction.
he has transfomed losers into players.
And it wasn't always about womanizing and getting laid.
some of the people he coached had never spoken to a woman in their entire life.
thnx to him they're enjoying relationships.
I respect him.
johny01player 1 month ago
i would feel rediculous in that costume
guYnextd0oR 1 month ago
how did they find out our secrets?
peteandstar 1 month ago
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Guys,
It's really not hard to pick up girls. You just need to educate yourself and luckily, there's some sick guides out there. "The Game" by Neil Strauss started things off for me and most recently, I've been using the techniques from P.Box.
Here's what you need to do:
Step 1: Go to MackMethods. com
Step 2: Get the "pandoras box" program
Step 3: Use the tips and blend it in with your own twist
Picking up girls is a skill. Educate yourself and you'll laugh at how easy it is.
MMArtist99 2 months ago
Im only in High School and I use this after it was introduced to me by my cousins. Its funny how well this works. I went from getting whatever girl I could, to whatever girl I WANT. Bitches be flockin around me now
CelaMayne 2 months ago
In order to be yourself, you must know yourself. If you are going out, talking to women, and are actively observing yourself, then you get to know yourself better. All the PUAs teach is the technical aspects.
TylerR3DWallace 2 months ago
"Wommen, human beings were named as a set?! WTF"
- Amazing, but this 1 sentence in that silly rant totally gave you away as someone who hasn't even read enough of Mystery's book to criticize.
DavePazz 2 months ago
"Just fuck that shit and be real, be yourself, be a MAN!"
- The most worthless advice ever...
DavePazz 2 months ago
Wanna dress like a clown, learn DHV stories, routines, openers to pick up woman, buying products from self named PU-gurus with stuff that fucks your brain?
Wommen, human beings were named as a set?! WTF
Wanna be a fake of yourself with all those fuckin stories you tell that are not true?
Sure, you all might get laid, but later on she will find out that your a fake, full of BS who has no life. Your heading for the next woman.
WTF?
Just fuck that shit and be real, be yourself, be a MAN!
Piggeldy111 2 months ago
@Piggeldy111 of course this would be bad for mistery and all those other PUA´s- why?
Cause your a bad costumer who doesnt buy their products - damn!
Piggeldy111 2 months ago
@Piggeldy111 You know, you can incorporate nearly all of his advice without lying and use your real experiences and stories. And don't you think guys have tried pure, up front honesty with no gameplan? Girls don't respond to it. They just don't. There's nothing wrong with giving yourself a set strategy to talk to a pretty girl. From it can come genuine relationships and conversations. But you don't seem to realize how high most women have set that first hurdle.
bjlayd61 2 months ago
"Rape myths are stereotypical or false beliefs about the culpability of victims, the innocence of rapists, and the illegitimacy of rape as a serious crime" (Chapleau, Oswald & Russell, 2008)
frankieelston 2 months ago
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frankieelston 2 months ago
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"he knows a lot but he's an idiot"
- Actually, an idiot would be not knowing a lot.
DavePazz 2 months ago
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"I don't know why he bothers spewing all his theories on human behavior and evolutionary pysch"
- Because that's the foundation of why we are attracted to some, and not others. It's a very important thing to know before anything else can makse sense, obviously.
"The reason we like him is he broke down social interaction well. That's all"
- No, that's not all... without understanding the principles of social dynamics, we can never go beyond what he teaches at some point.
DavePazz 2 months ago
I don't know why he bothers spewing all his theories on human behavior and evolutionary pysch, because they're totally bullshit.
The reason we like him is he broke down social interaction well. That's all.
The rest of what he says and how he dresses are bullshit.
tubub 2 months ago
@tubub he knows a lot but he's an idiot
SphereMaster001 2 months ago
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Guys,
It's really not hard to pick up girls. You just need to educate yourself and luckily, there's some sick guides out there. "The Game" by Neil Strauss started things off for me and most recently, I've been using the techniques from P.Box.
Here's what you need to do:
Step 1: Go to MackMethods. com
Step 2: Get the "pandoras box" program
Step 3: Use the tips and blend it in with your own twist
Picking up girls is a skill. Educate yourself and you'll laugh at how easy it is
BillTheTrainer 2 months ago
There's a new online seduction guide that just came out, seems worth checking out. Its at SeduceGirlsOnline(dot)com
eXpOsInGtheDaRk 2 months ago
It doesnt say much for women when socio paths are their ideal partners
Wak3UpZombi3s 2 months ago
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bought my first book from CounterSeduction(dot)Com -- I love mystery but the dude on this site is a lot smarter..
hmjones02 3 months ago 10
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Guys,
It's really not hard to pick up girls. You just need to educate yourself and luckily, there's some sick guides out there. "The Game" by Neil Strauss started things off for me and most recently, I've been using the techniques from P.Box.
Here's what you need to do:
Step 1: Go to MackMethods. com
Step 2: Get the "pandoras box" program
Step 3: Use the tips and blend it in with your own twist
Picking up girls is a skill. Educate yourself and you'll laugh at how easy it is.
FreeOnlineWorkouts 3 months ago
Lets play WHos God IS REAL! IT"S ME DARKNESS WE ARE SAVING YOU! Hate is death and pretend flipped devil; it's not real LOVE IS EVOLUTION! Y is being processed.
alphaanimator 3 months ago
"This is the core myth of the PUA industry. Attraction can't be created."
- Can it be created all the time and with every women on earth? No... nobody ever claimed this and Mystery explains it in his book anyway. This is not really a "core myth" in my opinion because I never felt this idea was pushed in the first place.
Only after reading the many books does one realize that it's just about us putting out most attrative self forward. Same as women who put on sexy clothes for the clubs.
DavePazz 3 months ago
"(1) he is of above average physical attractiveness; and (b) he has cultural capital. That is all."
- A fair number a women post negative comments about Mystery's looks all the time here. Are they lying? who knows...
But if we followed through on your 2 requirements in attraction would mean that the only men on earth to ever attract and mate with females would be wealthy/famous male models and no one else.
DavePazz 3 months ago
"They aren't correct and actually fly in the face evolutionary psychology and biology and neuroscience."
- I never claimed sexual attraction was entirely dependant upon language. But humans have to speak to each other, and obviously, certain talk can kill attraction entirely in a pickup situation ("talking about your dead mother, how you have no money and depressed, ect.) and other talk will reinforce a positive image.
DavePazz 3 months ago
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"PUA is made to get teen girls" No PUA is made to get men in the same way that overpriced baits/lures are made to get fishermen and not fish :)"
- I guess we can add "the same way excercise videos, make-up and sexy clothing catalogues are made to get women and not men"?
DavePazz 3 months ago
"There are lots of results in social psychology, evolutionary psychology, ethology, primatology, evolutionary biology, and neuroscience that actually contradict their claims."
- And lots that fall right in line with thier claims.
"If you want to take the pontifications of a guy sitting on a bar stool as gospel then the loss is entirely yours."
- I don't take anything anyone says as "gospel". I simply agree with much of what Mystery says because I've seen it work time and again.
DavePazz 3 months ago
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"Is it necessary to evoke exotic pseudoscientific explanations for the fact that a guy that is of above average physical attractiveness and with cultural capital is successful with women?"
- Mystery does not have "above-average phsyical attractiveness" (highly subjective anyway, lots of people say he is flat out ugly) and he has cultural capital today, not years ago when he was actually playing the game. Before the books, before the TV show, he was a regular guy picking up women.
DavePazz 3 months ago
This is a terrible misreading of basic evolutionary psychology that is self-refuting. If the neural circuits relating to sexual attraction were able to be so readily subverted or exploited they wouldn't have survived -- the genes that produce them would have vanished a long time ago. This guy is good with woman for two simple reasons: (1) he is of above average physical attractiveness; and (b) he has cultural capital. That is all.
PiotrThePrimate 3 months ago
Is it necessary to evoke exotic pseudoscientific explanations for the fact that a guy that is of above average physical attractiveness and with cultural capital is successful with women?
PiotrThePrimate 3 months ago
"You don't need tactics. You just need to have a good time and give out good vibes and everything happens naturally"
- That works if you're goal is just to make casual friends and don't care about the outcome of any interaction with the ladies of the group. But this is about attraction and seduction... you have to have some game plan for that.
"Tactics are lame and you'll feel and act contrived."
- If that's how you feel then you haven't done them right.
DavePazz 3 months ago
You don't need tactics. You just need to have a good time and give out good vibes and everything happens naturally. Tactics are lame and you'll feel and act contrived.
Supaduck0 3 months ago
"i recognize the knowledge about social dynamics is ok, i learn it, i practice it and it true....but when people idolize him...BITCH PLEASE"
- I agree Mystery should not be "idolized" because, although his observations are correct, whatever we make of ourselves will be though our own efforts... not because of Mystery. It's simply that he did something most of us SHOULD have as well, that is be very observant and learn from what we observe.
DavePazz 3 months ago
@DavePazz "although his observations are correct" They aren't correct and actually fly in the face evolutionary psychology and biology and neuroscience. The drive for sex -- which is the basis of attraction -- evolutionarily pre-dates the development of affects (emotions) and comes from a completely different part of our brains. The human neurology that drives sex is that same as that found in all mammals and even reptiles. It is pre-linguistic, pre-affective and pre-cognitive.
PiotrThePrimate 3 months ago
Mystery is a Nerd who tries to not look like a nerd by putting names to things guys like Giaccomo Cassanova did without talking so much, i recognize the knowledge about social dynamics is ok, i learn it, i practice it and it true....but when people idolize him...BITCH PLEASE
blacktepes 4 months ago
i'm a natural
Grahamfrostmusic 4 months ago
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Guys,
It's really not hard to pick up girls. You just need to educate yourself and luckily, there's some sick guides out there. "The Game" by Neil Strauss started things off for me and most recently, I've been using the techniques from P.Box.
Here's what you need to do:
Step 1: Go to MackMethods. com
Step 2: Get the "pandoras box" program
Step 3: Use the tips and blend it in with your own twist
Picking up girls is a skill. Educate yourself and you'll laugh at how easy it is.
BillTheTrainer 4 months ago
FOR ALL PEOPLE CRITICIZING MYSTERY /watch?v=fh-HFHaPOPY&feature=related
Sorry what? ;)
ImBabyAxis 4 months ago
yo, everybody come check out my brand new website!
pickup-artists-exposed.webs.com (still too broke to take of the.webs lol)
i literally break down all the fallacies in mystery method and other PUA techniques and show you why theyre all bullshit! :) i took my time and did this because i got tired of people falling for these idiots like i once did... :/
modeonepimp 4 months ago
@modeonepimp fuck off you desperate cunt
streetfightermatt 4 months ago
@modeonepimp could you please take the time to briefly explain to me why these guys are idiots?
humblyshyt 4 months ago
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An award winning doctumentary 180movie.com - check it out.
sterlthepearl1000 4 months ago
Mystery is my idol.
TheFamousBrett 4 months ago
"Instead of ignoring a woman, peacocking and negging, classics like telling a woman straight in her eyes 'I like you, I am attracted to you and wanna know you better.'' never dies."
- Uh, yes it does... when it's said countless times by countless guys.
Remember this method is for the most attractive women. Average women MIGHT be dazzled by your unoriginal approach simply because they don't get attention from men. You are commenting as if the MM was a simple dating book, which it's not...
DavePazz 4 months ago
"PUA is made to get teen girls"
- Totally false.
"real woman know and will notice instantly a difference between con artist (PUA) and real man."
- PUA is not a "con" same as women wearing make-up is not a con. And even a "real man" has to use these techniques or lose out.
"But remember about honesty and being real."
- The only "honesty and being real" women care about is if you make them feel the sexy sensations, absolutely nothing else matters in a pick up interaction.
DavePazz 4 months ago
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@DavePazz 'The only "honesty and being real" women care about is if you make them feel the sexy sensations, absolutely nothing else matters in a pick up interaction.' They won't feel "sexy sensation" unless they are already attracted to you in the first place in which case everything else is redundant. Any escalation of intimacy with a women that finds you unatrractive will be automatically experienced as "creepy".
PiotrThePrimate 3 months ago
PUA is made to get teen girls, real woman know and will notice instantly a difference between con artist (PUA) and real man. Sometimes it gets kinda sneaky and weird. Woman know everything about seduction and will like the idea you seduce them the way they seduce you. But remember about honesty and being real. Instead of ignoring a woman, peacocking and negging, classics like telling a woman straight in her eyes 'I like you, I am attracted to you and wanna know you better.'' never dies.
JiggaNiggaFigga 4 months ago
@JiggaNiggaFigga "PUA is made to get teen girls" No PUA is made to get men in the same way that overpriced baits/lures are made to get fishermen and not fish :)
PiotrThePrimate 3 months ago
damn i love this hat... where can i find it?
gespanag 4 months ago
Wtf and some chick did that exactly to me the other day.. How did I not know!
Ducksonqrack 4 months ago
"1 thing ALL girls HATE about guys is, most of em are afraid2ask em2be their girl..."
- Translated from girlspeak, the above statement means "I'm bored by the guys that usually appraoch me."
Yes, having balls is important because you won't get anywhere without courage. But that's far from all you need. Women get approached far more often that they will admit to, so it becomes very easy to just come off as just another guy if you don't understand some basic principles of attraction.
DavePazz 4 months ago
"If u want a chick, simply come up2her2say something like: "Hey, I find u really fuckin sexy & I'm gonna get2know u!"
- This might work on girls who either don't get out much or have average looks. But the hottest looking, way above average women? Not a chance.
They may not let on, but trust me... the truly hottest women have seen and heard just about everything from a variety of guys every time they go out. There is nothing seperating your diolouge from dozens of others.
DavePazz 4 months ago
I don't get Mystery's logics... just get right to the point, youn dumb fool! If anyone wants a shitty technique that works very well: Shoot me a line.
1st suggestion is chicks aren't attracted to "Nice Guys" as much as they're to "Badboys". However, Badboys should respect every girl though.
Igoryok1990 5 months ago
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Guys,
It's really not hard to pick up girls. You just need to educate yourself and luckily, there's some sick guides out there. "The Game" by Neil Strauss started things off for me and most recently, I've been using the techniques from P.Box
Here's what you need to do
Step 1: Go to MackMethods. com
Step 2: Get the "pandoras box" program
Step 3: Use the tips and blend it in with your own twist
Picking up girls is a skill. Educate yourself and you'll laugh at how easy it is.
MMArtist99 5 months ago
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"rock star is not a desirable image, but is somethin to be killed"
- You meant to say rap star.
DavePazz 5 months ago
rock star is not a desirable image, but is somethin to be killed
howtoplanaparty 5 months ago
Taking lady advice from a guy dressed like Merlin, fuck yeah!
dudeness88 5 months ago 20
"if a girl itches herself, she likes you." great example of confirmation bias.
bubbleypixie 5 months ago
Lol we didn't come from apes..Evolution is real, but Human Evolution doesn't exist.
But nah don't care, Mystery is awesome! I know I'm gonna learn a lot more from this guy.
RJnuique 5 months ago
@RJnuique "Human Evolution doesn't exist." What do you mean?
istraight1 5 months ago
@howtoplanaparty
If u want a chick, simply come up2her2say something like: "Hey, I find u really fuckin sexy & I'm gonna get2know u! So, tell me something about yourself, what's ur name?" & then, throw in a 20% dirtier line after like 5 mins. Like: "Mmm... Ur so fine that I want u rite now." Or "I'm gonna have some fun wit u 2nite!"
-- Guys,u shood pickup girls.U have balls. 1 thing ALL girls HATE about guys is, most of em are afraid2ask em2be their girl...
Write me to get my teachings.
Igoryok1990 4 months ago
"Then don't make fucking theories when you're no fucking Phd. Stop telling people about preselection when other things can better explain things. This is the main beef I have with this guy"
- I understand and thanks for the explanation. I can't tell anyone what to like or dislike.
I'm personally indifferent on that matter. I just take this as a "how to" book and haven't experienced any harmful effects from the false theories... quite the contrary.
DavePazz 5 months ago
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"You don't have to learn from scientific journals. When did I say that?"
- Then I stand corrected, I'm glad you didn't state that.
I never once mistook Mystery's book for a "scientific journal" but I still picked up many useful tips which have worked consistantly.
DavePazz 5 months ago
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"You don't have to learn from scientific journals. When did I say that?"
- Then I stand corrected, I'm glad you didn't state that.
I never once mistook Mystery's book for a "scientific journal" but I still picked up many useful tips which have worked consistantly.
DavePazz 5 months ago
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MMArtist99 5 months ago
There is no way to know these things, ESPECIALLY if you don't collect data and don't make it public. That makes it far more suspicious.
mrjedidja 5 months ago
That's so sad, a Hot Topic threw up all over mystery.
viper8red 5 months ago
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Guys,
It's really not hard to pick up girls. You just need to educate yourself and luckily, there's some sick guides out there. "The Game" by Neil Strauss started things off for me and most recently, I've been using the techniques from P.Box
Here's what you need to do
Step 1: Go to MackMethods. com
Step 2: Get the "pandoras box" program
Step 3: Use the tips and blend it in with your own twist
Picking up girls is a skill. Educate yourself and you'll laugh at how easy it is
MMArtist99 5 months ago
We don't all learn everything from reading scientific journals... we also learn a great deal from regular people... thier own experiences and wisdom. I'm just thankful for those who'se advice actually worked.
DavePazz 5 months ago