Funny how J Wong was doing that She Hulk-Tron tech months ago back in Vanilla + more and people act as if this guy made it up. These guys are great... but none hold a candle to some of the U.S players.
@ZzFactorzZ Oh hm.Wait,so does that mean in case when he won't have done the bionic arm,that assit (Dr.Doom) would have stucked in an endless combo outside of the screen until dead.I have never seen this before.I guess stuff like this rarely happens?
"Americans have the best top tier character players, and Japan have the best non-top tier character players". And as a result, odds are not in favor of the Japanese in my opinion.
That is light-years ahead of anything America has come up with and these guys probably don't even follow forums or American streams, dunno They probably just dickin around
America on blast and exposed as , free
Tonight every American player is suckin a fat Taiwanese one, lol
@jesperbech you crazy son; the one whos "sucking on a fat 1" is you. "Light years" get outta here with that bs. Its only one to prove these are better they would have to beat american players. If I 4 one played against abegen I would snap in his she hulk. That so called unblockable set up doesnt work on character with air dashes double jumps or sentinel. I watched one of the matches and abegen spent 3 meters and his xf and didnt kill; that a huge waste of resources.
@levi8then Why doesn't it work on chars with air dashes or double jumps??? Can they magically jump away from a She-Hulk air-grab once the hyper animation has started ? Besides, if a person isn't positioned right for the air-grab, he can see that during Thor's grab animation and not trigger it, This is better technology than any American has come up with and you guys need to own up and suck it
@jesperbech because you can use those options b4 trons standing H. Why do we have 2 own up? Until abegen comes to america and bodies everybody you cant say whose better or not. & I escape she hulks air grab all the time. and I forget that you have even more options with air XF. + what happens to that tech once she hulk gets boped? Why would you waste 3 meters to land a level 1 super? I got better tech than that using spidey. Get off of Abegens jock.
@levi8then No you are not seeing things the way Abegen sees it! The reason why HE HAD TO expend that meter (and I am guessing you are a hypocrit for not admitting it) is because HE HAD TO GET RID of the most powerful character in the opponent's team QUICKLY. There's no point TRYING TO OUTLAST your opponent if folks like Haggard or Viewtiful Joe or Spencer are still alive, your characters' health meter will drop quickly and they are vulnerable during assistance so he had to resort to such tactics
@Linternauter I see you dont understand what the word hypocrite means. lol; and I seen that you called the catz abegen played against as "his enemies" this is a game man bring it down a notch. Of course I dont see it the way abegen sees it I wouldnt 3 meters and xf just 2 kill 1 character unless it was last 1 (which didnt work by the way.)
You aren't looking at it correctly...you're saying it like he used 3 meters and xf after he confirmed that he can get a combo...that is not a good idea but that's not what is being discussed. It's 3 meters to GUARANTEE a combo, which he then used xfactor to finish him with. Yeah sure, you can keep your meter if you want, for a combo opportunity you might never get.
@Emillll lol so now it takes 3 meters to open somebody up I see im arguing with scrubs. theres countless #s of mixups on incoming characters that require no meter. + its not guaranteed. I'll keep my meter and my xf with all 3 of my characters; im 100% sure I'll get a combo out of that; just from 1 of my teams I could think of a myriad of options to open up my opponent.
You didn't explain how it wasn't guaranteed, aside from the very few characters that have very good air supers when incoming. Plus, that setup doesn't just work on incoming characters, you can use it to punish moves that are otherwise considered extremely hard to punish.
These players also have many options to open up their opponent...but they aren't guaranteed, and they are still a risk.
@Emillll its pretty clear that levi8then is ignorant to other views so no point arguing. He doesn't understand the gravity of a guaranteed character death and the advantages gained when its 3v1, or when you kill the anchor without them having a chance. I don't even know why its necessary to explain why thats good, but this guy isn't gonna listen so why bother.
@ixd34thxi Im ignorant because I have an opposing view; wow. kuurons anchor is doom he used that setup on spencer what r u talking about. & I dont focus on killing 1 character I like to strategically dismantle whole teams u r aware that u have 2 beat the whole team 2 win a match? finally, y would I burn all my resoures 2 take 1 character out & then leave my opponent with the most potent weapon in the game; xflvl 3 with my xf is gone? you dont understand the power of a good anchor & xflvl3.
Actually if Abegen didn't drop the combo on Spencer, he would have atleast 5 seconds or so of x factor with She-Hulk to use against Doom, which he would have built one meter and killed him if he got the mixup.
You wouldn't be able to strategically dismantle shit against these kinds of players, don't think that you have some kind of greater insight into the game than these players do.
@Emillll hey scrub 1st u have no idea what Im capable of. 2nd if; lol. abegen didnt drop that combo the hitstun ran out. there is no way abegen could of took out doom with xf lvl1 & no meter. 3rd abegen ran that set up twice and got 0 kills 4 burning all his resources. 4th if I played abegen i would use task/dorm/akuma & zone him out like kusolman did on part 9 tron & she hulk options suck against dorm. abegen would be eating arrows the whole match just like he was eating boomerangs on part 9.
@levi8then your ignorant because you think all views other than your own are "scrub" tactics. Stop talking like you know when you don't, it really doesn't help your arguments. If you've seen kuuron play at all, you'd know that his spencer with missiles is the problem. What he did was EXACTLY "strategically dismantle" the team. XFlvl3 doom is not hard to handle when you have 3 characters with 1mil+ health each. Run away and eat that chip because tron, thor, and she hulk can afford to.
@ixd34thxi no your a ignorant omega free scrub son. Ive been watching kuuron play since vanilla and ive been seeing abegen bop him since vanilla. "lvl3 doom is not hard to handle" smh; are you serious? this is what im talking about you guys have no idea what your talking about. dooms xf3 combos do over 1.2 mil w/o a super and his xfgc lvl3 does over 700k; easy. since dooms missles are such a problem how about snaping him in and taking him out? that only cost 1 meter by the way.
@levi8then u are repeatedly missing the point. Gonna say this one last time: u are using meter to open someone up, not using meter to decide what to do after u've opened him up. The former is the hard part, and mutually exclusive yet u repeatedly think they are the same. Gonna stop reasoning with an ignoramus like u so I'll talk in a manner which you can comprehend: No, YOUR a ignorant alpha to the omega mega free bogo scrub for life , gg no rm.
u are repeatedly missing the point if u use 3 meters & and x factor somebody on the other team should die matter of fact 2 characters should die. spencer was the incoming character only had 60% life and survived. how is that a good setup its a nice trick to end a match but its a waste otherwise. your logic is tragically flawed; the 2nd sentence in your malarky makes absolutely no sense. I'll body bag yo whole squad free wth little to no effort all 3 a yall catz is scrubs im done.
We went over this already. That combo on Spencer was supposed to kill him. If that did kill, he'd probably have some setup on Doom with a good chance to kill him while still having about 5 seconds of x-factor1 time left. As I said, he had the meter for a guaranteed combo on Spencer, that's much different than trying to land the first hit, then deciding how many meters you will use to kill them from that first hit.
@Emillll guaranteed combo (I think theres ways out of it) & guaranteed kill is 2 different storys . If abegen uses that set up on the last character and kills him; hey great decision. but that set up probably only nets about 6-700k of damage for 3 meters and xf thats horrible. then doom comes in full health & you have 0 meter & 5 seconds of xf1 even if u get a combo theres no way u can kill him. if kuuron lames out she hulk abegen would have loss that match.
@Emillll I did explain read the comments. you a japanese groupie scrub, son. What would you do if played against abegen? you might well just not even play since hes so impossible to beat.
@levi8then and even more hypocritical of you is deliberately forgetting that this the 10th part of a series of video and Abegen only implemented this strategy in this one instance. In the previous part, Abegen produced some exceptionally beautiful combo emphasizing team effort oververusing a single character a la NA way, and boi was it a joy to watch him overpower his ennemies with absurd combos!!!
lol? Why wouldn't it work on characters with airdashes or double jumps? I can see why it wouldn't work on Sentinel but not the former.
Abegen and GX technology is on a higher level than US. It looks like they are more willing to explore the game fully than the US is. Honestly I thought Japan had very low interest in this game and wasn't expecting a level THIS high from Japan in this game until I saw this video.
After these he can x-factor and I think get a sure kill on ANY character, for three meters ABEGEN doesn't have a near-kill he has a SURE kill, on ANY character i bet, since after x-factor he can build more meter with she-hulk, i bet he can take out the best character the other guy has like that, for sure
ABEGEN has the sickest set-up ever, not even combofiend comes close, when he gets three meters he can throw a King with Tron, if it doesn't connect, near grab with thor and with his increased range, since King takes time to come out, if the opponent is on the ground, he gets grabbed, the only other option is for the opponent to be in the air and then he can grab with She-Hulk, I believe this is the Only True Unblockable set-up in MvC 3, so far, and it works in far more places than the semi-true
i hope these guys post a video around Evo time cuz I'd rather watch these guys than Noel 'Tier Whore' Brown, Fillipino 'Keep-Away Whore' Champ, Mike 'Paid Fraud' Ross, etc It is frankly gettin old watchin those tier whores duke it out and spreadin the tier whore mentality to every person who follows them, it is like a form of in-breedin
@PaiZuriFAN I don't know I admire Fanatiq for beatin stick players with his pad controller, stick players have buttons all laid out Fanatiq actually has to move his fingers as well as hit the right buttons, and, timin
@PaiZuriFAN Besides, this is a new game, he may use the same team as many did before but he is using them in a new game , he may use a team from the 90's but he is doing so in a new engine, and, no new terms. Don't see that one decision is being ' Stuck'
You're absolutely right. Stop overrating things. These guys are good, there's no doubt about it, but you must be a fucking fool/tool to think that they're better than the top NA players.
@fortJamesRemix No they are better. I dont even think EVO is representative of the top crop in North America. These guy havent in the video havent even played Evo and probably never will. But I'm willing to bed in a matchup against their NA counterpart, they'd come out on top!
@fortJamesRemix While I am not sure if Japanese players are better than NA players in umvc3, I do notice that Japanese players tend to be more creative in their line ups. NA players like to copy each other and tend to pick those so-called top tier characters. I just think it's more enjoyable to watch different line up. After all, this game does have over 30 characters. I am just sick of watching Wesker, wesker, wesker.
@fortJamesRemix Though the use of assists are super creative and good. Doom rockets as spencer uses OTG dive. And Tron with the rock smash when She Hulk is in that ass :)
This guy Abegen is an old school Guilty Gear Potemkin Player. You can see his aggressive technique with characters considered to be low if not bottom tier. The dude takes characters that cannot rush and rushes... Its nuts and props to him.
"How's that for a court room drama?" LOL great line. Very exciting to watch. This Tron/Thor/She-Hulk is so good. I don't know why Thor is seen as a low-tier character. I never see anyone using him in tournament in USA. Thor looks very good. He can charge through projectiles, his damage is very high and he even has a good projectile. That Spencer has some nasty combos as well. I really enjoy watching his Phoenix Wright when he gets into that mode.
@jibikao Yes that's why I said that US players are nowhere near the japanese. In fact, OGTY has a combo Thor Captain american at the start of the tourney which is just SUPERB to watch. Man the most impressive thing here is the BEAUTY of the combo. I mean the sort of damage he can deal with that Thor just makes him like such a nimble character which he is obviously not, quite incredible.
@stephen877 Agreed! They failed to complete some combos but these two have excellent and beyond par defensive skills so that's comprehensible. But have a look at earlier parts of this contest. Stunning display of immagination in constructing combos this tourney was.
@MrTyrannt74 When we refer to Japanese players, we usually mean VERY VERY TOP LEVEL JAPANESE PLAYERS not the whole country lol. In this instance, it's clear that the skills on display are those players of "AWSOMEFULNESS" skill levels lol. If you watch the earlier parts in the series, some of the combos they come up with are completely absurd *cough* Kusolman *cough* lol
@Linternauter by all means i am in no way trying to discredit the people who played in this tournament. they are skilled and they have pulled of impressive combos. but ive seen equally impressive things here in my hometown Brooklyn, NY. my point is that there are people who dont go to tournys and are not known that have skill levels on par and superior than these people here, and the people at evo.
@MrTyrannt74 I think someone pointed out to me below that lots of unknown players are as good if not better than the folks on display here. If so, I wish they'd post vid so we can compare. And as someone else also pointed out, MvC3 was never really popular in Japan and Japanese players are indeed reluctant to travel without sponsorship. There is also a scarcity of good UMvC3 match vids on youtube, so maybe it's pointless to judge right now, but I'll stick to my claim that Japanese OWN THIS!!!
@MrTyrannt74 And btw, I AM NOT THE ONLY ONE who seems pretty CERTAIN that american players could not compete with the skills on display here, you should have a look at the comment section for the previous parts of this tourney. Even better, watch the vids and you'll agree with me and those other posters. Noone out there plays this well yet!
KURONN always has a had time beating ABEGEN, then who doesn't have a hard time beating ABEGEN. JAP players and NA player are so different. In American turnys i usually see a lot of throws, air throws and command throws and resets thats what makes ABEGEN team stand out to me cuz they all have command throws and hyper throws I dont really see a lot of that in jap players play style. though their execution is way better than NA players IMO. What do you guys think?
@Imozart0341I I agree with you on ONE THING: STYLE. Jap player are EXCEPTIONALLY STYLISTIC. Their sheer ability to perform intricate arrays of combos whether with assistance OR WITHOUT ASSITANCE just leads to pure disbelief. I'd highly recommend you watch the Magneto Strider Hyruy combo is part 8 to see what I mean, or look at Kusolman wining with Joe without Log assist. Or in part 9, how Abegen switiches between hypers to chatch out his opponent. I have never seen NA players do that!
@Linternauter I agree. I think N/A players just stick those few "top-tier" characters. They are not as creative as the Japanese players. By the way, is Wesker not allowed in this tournament? Because I don't see one wesker for a while?
@jibikao Most of the weskers got obliterated in the early parts of this tourney. Incidentally the erm, ugliest combination of players (cough* SAMIDA3 IN *cough, cough* SHE-HULK TRON cough*) made it to the final while the more agile characteres (stryder uryu Dante Wesker Vergil) got destroyed in the final stages. Very telling about the skill levels of some of the players here.
@Linternauter It's said that Wesker is an "American" character, said by tokido himself, because apparently no one in Japan uses him right or as deadly as Americans. That is the reason why no weskers made it this far. I've seen some Japanese players use wesker before and it is like 50% of what a good wesker here is played like. While I think this stuff is pretty amazing, the Japanese focus on synergy and combos. Americans focus on mixups, traps, and single character tiers.
@ixd34thxi It's possible but why do I get the feeling folks are still gauging levels according to MvC3 which is a COMPLETELY different game to this one. Ive said it before and I'll say it again, UMvC3 seems to fit Japanese style of play better so, just as with SSF4 Im still expecting them to be way ahead of americans on this one.
@ixd34thxi And I agree, japanese players have crazy synergies between their characters, with teams formations you'd think are unlikely to work yet they can met out crazy combo seamlessly.
@Linternauter Well to be fair an amerian player called Dieminion wins alot with just joe alone also Combofiend used to cycle through like that to catch jumpers with his she hulk. J wong made good anti phoenix un-blockable tech with wesker and akuma in which while your wesker when you get close enough to an opponent like half screen do his physical counter hyper then Akumas raging demon. its a 0-1 frame trap that you can not escape no matter what
@Imozart0341I I think someone pointed out to me below that lots of unknown players are as good if not better than the folks on display here. If so, I wish they'd post vid so we can compare. And as someone else also pointed out, MvC3 was never really popular in Japan and Japanese players are indeed reluctant to travel without sponsorship. There is also a scarcity of good UMvC3 match vids on youtube, so maybe it's pointless to judge right now, but I'll stick to my claim that Japanese OWN THIS!!!
@watsup516 I havent seen them play UMvC3 and it's well known that MvC3 plays different to this. Looking at the current level of Japanese players on UMvC3, I doubt americans stand a chance. I cannot comment on the evo matches because I havent seen them. Also, I am gauging the level according to the folks in this tourney, so assuming THE FOLKS IN THIS TOURNEY tourned at Evo, for sure I'd bet on them to win it all, Kusolman or Abegen in particular!
@jesperbech At least looking at the first match, Any of them. To be honest I could play these guys and do at least good enough. Of course I'm assuming these matches have little to no lag because they're in japan. I'm really not seeing anything amazing here.
These guys would tear people new assholes, at Evo, unless they make it we won't know who's the champion, I will wonder how these guys would have done if they don't show up, Evo Will feel fraudulent less these guys well . ok Nevermind
@jesperbech Oh comon, be honest. Based on the last EVO MVC3 session, do you seriously think North-American players would stand a chance against these japanese machines? There's a huge gap between the two. The japanese players have an exceptional understanding OF ALL the characters in their team so much that they can switch between the different array of all possible combos they can perform in mid-game whenever the situation arise. NA players just get stuck mid-combo usually! Evo winner JAPAN!
@Linternauter well idk fanatiq wooped keida or whatever his name was who happened to probably be the best mvc3 player over in japan. not to mention he didnt even make top 16
@FistOfSoySauce If you guys look up Psychocharity channel, you'll see that even the japanese players struggled when UMVC3 had just come out. I think that now they've come to grips with the game and it fits their style of play a bit more (which emphasizes both style - efficiency - and substance and by substance I mean damage level), they'll be hard to beat in any upcoming tourney.
@freckleburger Kuuron/Abegen would beat ANY AMERICAN PLAYERS! Kusolman and Simida3 would do the same too, I mean the level of japanese players is FRIGHTENING! Their sheer understanding of the gameplay and characteres, you could write a book on their stupendous style of play. It's VIEWTIFUL to watch them perform, seriously!
@Linternauter ... No. This is good, but not NA level. Top tier characters or not NA players make Marvel. Are you trolling or something? They play differently but that doesn't automatically make them better.
They play with a different (better) metagame and more awareness of what's going on rather than autopilot/bruteforce. There are very few NA players that I would consider to play close to the level in these videos and that's Combofiend and Wong...
@Emillll You're not being fair and giving credit to some of the brilliant technology thought of by our home players. Marlinpie's anti Phoenix tech and guard break are his alone, Yipes's Dante-Akuma setup on incoming characters, PR Rog's Wolverine-Spencer mixup on incoming characters, Viscant's everything, Richard Nguyen the originator of Dante swag. You simply call these players better because you prefer their play style, your level of bias makes debating against you a fruitless effort.
First of all, coming up with technology itself isn't really that much of a deal and in either case I didn't say that the american players didn't come up with good technology. There is a difference with coming up with technology in the lab, and being a very dynamic player in the middle of a match.
Your argument with prefer playstyle doesn't make sense. There are superior and inferior playstyles. Autopilot/bruteforce is an inferior playstyle.
For example, lets take MastaCJ's Dormammu. Sure, he has some setups that are definitely worth learning, but in the end of the day he plays fairly one dimensional and bruteforce. It's an inferior style.
Your comment on bias doesn't make sense...typically I IGNORED Japanese marvel play because I assumed they didn't care much about it aside from Tokido/Daigo playing it just because they are in the US a lot. I then watched these matches and immediately saw what's up.
Also after watching these matches I went back and looked at the vanilla matches played by these players, especially Kurronn(G.X). He's a monster player that's thinking on a deeper level.
@Emillll Honestly, all good Spencers play the same. Though Kuronn did coin the grapple loop he was no different than any other highly skilled Spencer. I don't want to discredit anybody, I just dislike seeing either side's players discredited.
Also, the Tron-Thor-She Hulk trap has also been performed here by none other than Noel Brown in Vanilla. Wesker's Phantom Dance (Hit stun move) into Berserker Charge (Non hit Stun move) in Raging Demon (Special grab) but he got no credit.
Well as I said, I'm not saying Abegen is amazing because of some technology he invented (though he did seem to invent a lot of things). There's a certain kind of genius you can notice in some player's gameplay that is absent in other players (that may be good, perhaps great, but not amazing). It's a difficult thing to quantify but pretty apparent.
Regarding Kurronn...his Spencer is very good but I was more referring to his Hulk.
Its not that they are great. Its that they are innovative with stuff that is clearly not top tier. Sure they won't win evo , maybe not even get outter of brackets but these guys are playing pretty damn well. Especially in the grand finals
@guamcards I didnt know there was an EVO contest for UMVC3 however, you would be hard pushed to find anyone capable of beating these guys, I mean they are awsome!
@Linternauter To be honest, MvC series was never that popular in Japan. I think MvC3 only gets a bit more popular since last year. It won't surprise me if Japanese players do better in EVO12 and again, a lot of great Japanese players don't go to EVO12 unless they are sponsored. It costs a lot of money to travel.
@jibikao I think someone pointed out to me below that lots of unknown players are as good if not better than the folks on display here. If so, I wish they'd post vid so we can compare. And as someone else also pointed out, MvC3 was never really popular in Japan and Japanese players are indeed reluctant to travel without sponsorship. There is also a scarcity of good UMvC3 match vids on youtube, so maybe it's pointless to judge right now, but I'll stick to my claim that Japanese OWN THIS!!!
@guamcards Man JAPANESE PLAYERS ARE FAR AND AWAY BEYOND any other players on the planet skill wise, they are machines with excellent dexterity. I wish they would have official tournaments of this game like they do with street fighter, it's so much more better and fun!!!
@PaiZuriFAN I know right, folks saying NA players could compete with japanese players, I am like, are we watching the same thing? I have a look at previous EVO matches and can say HAND ON HEART that NA players would get eaten alive!!! There's a huge gap between the two.
@watsup516 I think someone pointed out to me below that lots of unknown players are as good if not better than the folks on display here. If so, I wish they'd post vid so we can compare. And as someone else also pointed out, MvC3 was never really popular in Japan and Japanese players are indeed reluctant to travel without sponsorship. There is also a scarcity of good UMvC3 match vids on youtube, so maybe it's pointless to judge right now, but I'll stick to my claim that Japanese OWN THIS!!!
@watsup516 And btw, I AM NOT THE ONLY ONE who seems pretty CERTAIN that american players could not compete with the skills on display here, you should have a look at the comment section for the previous parts of this tourney. Even better, watch the vids and you'll agree with me and those other posters. Noone out there plays this well yet!
MAN WHAT A PERFECT FINISH FROM OGTY: LAWYER AGAINST LAWYER AND THE FINISHING CATCHPHRASE FROM WONDERWOMAN: "HOW'S THAT FOR A LIL' COURTROOM DRAMA..." SO FITTING!!!
Man I am so glad that OGTY WON. MAN THAT THOR!!! Because those two were so equally matched, he did not even get to land that "BY ODING'S MIGHT" COMBO he loves and so thrives on, that's how good the match was WOW. THANK YOU SMOAI2010!!!
@MrACeCakes AGREED 10000% IM EVER SO THANKFUL TO THE UPLOADER FOR MAKING US SEE THIS!!!
Some of the combos is the earlier matchups were OUT OF THIS WORLD but only because some players overpowered their opponents. But in this instance, where two behemoths of the game with EQUALLY MATCHED DEFENSIVE SKILLS met, it was more about who would grind it, be the more inventive with the combinations, and more importantly WHO WOULD EVENTUALLY FALTER. And it was clear that OGTY HAD MORE BELIEF!!!
@kimmyrulez He only used hulk I believe against SIMIDA3 IN in the last vvid because there essentially was no way to grind out the game, essentially try to outlast simida without sure death (and quick death at that). But Hulk has massive tenacity, so it made sense to perform the switch. But usually he uses that lawyer guy.
Abegen don't give a shit about meter. He'll burn all that shit in an unblockable set up. This competition was up there with the psn one. Great matches!
serioiusly, why was he just jumping up and pressing the objection button to get into turnabout mode? theres much better ways to hitconfirm into it and actually work
@jonnitti1 Yes because all you have to do is run up and hitconfirm with pheonix wright with a cr. l that has a range of 0 on a char with air dashes, fly, and charging attacks. Stop theory fighting and learn to play the game against real opponents
@ixd34thxi i actually do play the game and play in tournaments and place relatively high. you can use assists to get in or tag him into a team arial combo. that move has an ass ton of startup and anybody with a heartbeat can see it. as a whole i felt that player wasnt very strong, theres a lot of things he could have done different, like using his turnabout mode assist, which is completely invulnerable and causes a wallbounce. but hey, im theory fighting, i guess game knowledge doesnt help
@jonnitti1 Actually the turnabout mode assist is no longer invulnerable so its not as good, which is probably why he's using the dog assist for horizontal control for Spencer. Saying phoenix wright can use assists to get in is pointless because HIS assists are missiles and prolly some grapple, neither of which will open anyone up unless they don't feel like blocking. I understand what your saying, but your comment seems more in a general sense instead of what the situation actually is.
@ixd34thxi you can definitely get in using hidden missiles because it forces them to block. and correct me if im wrong but i think jC can cross up, so using hidden missiles to force them to block and going for a cross up mix up can be pretty solid. as for his team, i dont think it has much synergy. instead of spencer, a better choice IMO would be tasky, dante or virgil seeing as they all have assists that can give phoenix wright some solid cover.
@jonnitti1 For the j. C to cross up, u have to let them come out of block stun, and any competent player will just chicken block the missiles. Missiles forces them to block, true, but the missiles have to come out. Wright gets mauled half the time so missiles is used more defensively for him, he can't make space for missiles to be used offensively. I know because I tried Wright and Missiles. But yea his team really is Spencer and Doom, and he threw Wright in there prolly cuz he likes him lol.
@MINItheFox How many ABEGEN (OGTY) were playing lol, I got confused at the end (is it different folks, cos there was an ABEGEN but there were plenty of OGTY!!!).
@Renzythegreat91 He is OK. Im sure he is good but Kuuron actually never got to use him fully because of the offensive quality of the opponents in his later matchups. The only instance I remember where he was able to apply so much pressure with the Lawyer (phoenix) is in this instance/final game. Incidentally Kuuron spent quite a lot of time training Phoenix, but never really use him lol.
@Caine187 I always wonder how come Bionic Pow overpower most other Hyper combos. I think Ive only ever seen it being defeated by another hyper combo once during the tourney, but cant remember whose player hyper it was lol.
Now I don't think there's anyone who can say that these guys are not better than US top players. Not after Final Round XV.
blackshilen 2 days ago in playlist Japanese UMvC3 replays
Almost forgot they were playing online with this.
Vaxtin 1 month ago in playlist More videos from SMOAI2010
i love 7:30
chiyocide 1 month ago
Funny how J Wong was doing that She Hulk-Tron tech months ago back in Vanilla + more and people act as if this guy made it up. These guys are great... but none hold a candle to some of the U.S players.
freckleburger 2 months ago
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DivineHallSacrdFight 2 months ago
These guys make USA look cheap. Go Asia <3
DivineHallSacrdFight 2 months ago
THOR RULES!!!!!
ComboBRS 2 months ago
Oh my god you guys are all so fucking stupid. Stop arguing and enjoy the damn video.
YupItzJojo 2 months ago 3
Nice back and forth between both players for a while! An interesting series of UMvC3 matches!
VideoQuestEx 2 months ago
0:58- 1:01 ... just wrong..
ZzFactorzZ 2 months ago
@ZzFactorzZ I don't get it,but why did the combo continue although Tron didn't hit him?
LiangHuBBB 2 months ago
@LiangHuBBB the assist got hard knockdown-ed so he was beating the assist up
ZzFactorzZ 2 months ago
@ZzFactorzZ Oh hm.Wait,so does that mean in case when he won't have done the bionic arm,that assit (Dr.Doom) would have stucked in an endless combo outside of the screen until dead.I have never seen this before.I guess stuff like this rarely happens?
LiangHuBBB 2 months ago
@LiangHuBBB yep its been done a few times, its like using dormammu's pillar special against an assist, you can keep doing it until you are hit
ZzFactorzZ 2 months ago
Gotta give it to 'em! The players from Japan are top-notch experts when they're competing with each other or around the world!
leopizza23 2 months ago
Actually I think this can be best summed up as :
"Americans have the best top tier character players, and Japan have the best non-top tier character players". And as a result, odds are not in favor of the Japanese in my opinion.
ixd34thxi 2 months ago
@ixd34thxi That is not at all how it could be summed up.
23Sirus23 2 months ago
No mattr how awkward he is, this guy makes me wanna mastr wright:))
MegamanEFG 2 months ago
She Hulks is better than Phoenix Wright in the court room and let's hope it's the only room that she is better in
AbhiB 2 months ago
That team...damn, thats just...so cool. Amazing tech with what most of U.S. players consider to be garbage characters. This is just inspiring.
stryflyer 2 months ago
That is light-years ahead of anything America has come up with and these guys probably don't even follow forums or American streams, dunno They probably just dickin around
America on blast and exposed as , free
Tonight every American player is suckin a fat Taiwanese one, lol
jesperbech 2 months ago
@jesperbech you crazy son; the one whos "sucking on a fat 1" is you. "Light years" get outta here with that bs. Its only one to prove these are better they would have to beat american players. If I 4 one played against abegen I would snap in his she hulk. That so called unblockable set up doesnt work on character with air dashes double jumps or sentinel. I watched one of the matches and abegen spent 3 meters and his xf and didnt kill; that a huge waste of resources.
levi8then 2 months ago in playlist More videos from SMOAI2010
@levi8then Why doesn't it work on chars with air dashes or double jumps??? Can they magically jump away from a She-Hulk air-grab once the hyper animation has started ? Besides, if a person isn't positioned right for the air-grab, he can see that during Thor's grab animation and not trigger it, This is better technology than any American has come up with and you guys need to own up and suck it
jesperbech 2 months ago
@jesperbech because you can use those options b4 trons standing H. Why do we have 2 own up? Until abegen comes to america and bodies everybody you cant say whose better or not. & I escape she hulks air grab all the time. and I forget that you have even more options with air XF. + what happens to that tech once she hulk gets boped? Why would you waste 3 meters to land a level 1 super? I got better tech than that using spidey. Get off of Abegens jock.
levi8then 2 months ago
@levi8then No you are not seeing things the way Abegen sees it! The reason why HE HAD TO expend that meter (and I am guessing you are a hypocrit for not admitting it) is because HE HAD TO GET RID of the most powerful character in the opponent's team QUICKLY. There's no point TRYING TO OUTLAST your opponent if folks like Haggard or Viewtiful Joe or Spencer are still alive, your characters' health meter will drop quickly and they are vulnerable during assistance so he had to resort to such tactics
Linternauter 2 months ago
@Linternauter I see you dont understand what the word hypocrite means. lol; and I seen that you called the catz abegen played against as "his enemies" this is a game man bring it down a notch. Of course I dont see it the way abegen sees it I wouldnt 3 meters and xf just 2 kill 1 character unless it was last 1 (which didnt work by the way.)
levi8then 2 months ago
@levi8then
You aren't looking at it correctly...you're saying it like he used 3 meters and xf after he confirmed that he can get a combo...that is not a good idea but that's not what is being discussed. It's 3 meters to GUARANTEE a combo, which he then used xfactor to finish him with. Yeah sure, you can keep your meter if you want, for a combo opportunity you might never get.
Emillll 2 months ago
@Emillll lol so now it takes 3 meters to open somebody up I see im arguing with scrubs. theres countless #s of mixups on incoming characters that require no meter. + its not guaranteed. I'll keep my meter and my xf with all 3 of my characters; im 100% sure I'll get a combo out of that; just from 1 of my teams I could think of a myriad of options to open up my opponent.
levi8then 2 months ago
@levi8then
You didn't explain how it wasn't guaranteed, aside from the very few characters that have very good air supers when incoming. Plus, that setup doesn't just work on incoming characters, you can use it to punish moves that are otherwise considered extremely hard to punish.
These players also have many options to open up their opponent...but they aren't guaranteed, and they are still a risk.
Emillll 2 months ago
@Emillll its pretty clear that levi8then is ignorant to other views so no point arguing. He doesn't understand the gravity of a guaranteed character death and the advantages gained when its 3v1, or when you kill the anchor without them having a chance. I don't even know why its necessary to explain why thats good, but this guy isn't gonna listen so why bother.
ixd34thxi 2 months ago
@ixd34thxi Im ignorant because I have an opposing view; wow. kuurons anchor is doom he used that setup on spencer what r u talking about. & I dont focus on killing 1 character I like to strategically dismantle whole teams u r aware that u have 2 beat the whole team 2 win a match? finally, y would I burn all my resoures 2 take 1 character out & then leave my opponent with the most potent weapon in the game; xflvl 3 with my xf is gone? you dont understand the power of a good anchor & xflvl3.
levi8then 2 months ago
@levi8then
Actually if Abegen didn't drop the combo on Spencer, he would have atleast 5 seconds or so of x factor with She-Hulk to use against Doom, which he would have built one meter and killed him if he got the mixup.
You wouldn't be able to strategically dismantle shit against these kinds of players, don't think that you have some kind of greater insight into the game than these players do.
Emillll 2 months ago
@Emillll hey scrub 1st u have no idea what Im capable of. 2nd if; lol. abegen didnt drop that combo the hitstun ran out. there is no way abegen could of took out doom with xf lvl1 & no meter. 3rd abegen ran that set up twice and got 0 kills 4 burning all his resources. 4th if I played abegen i would use task/dorm/akuma & zone him out like kusolman did on part 9 tron & she hulk options suck against dorm. abegen would be eating arrows the whole match just like he was eating boomerangs on part 9.
levi8then 2 months ago
@levi8then your ignorant because you think all views other than your own are "scrub" tactics. Stop talking like you know when you don't, it really doesn't help your arguments. If you've seen kuuron play at all, you'd know that his spencer with missiles is the problem. What he did was EXACTLY "strategically dismantle" the team. XFlvl3 doom is not hard to handle when you have 3 characters with 1mil+ health each. Run away and eat that chip because tron, thor, and she hulk can afford to.
ixd34thxi 2 months ago
@ixd34thxi no your a ignorant omega free scrub son. Ive been watching kuuron play since vanilla and ive been seeing abegen bop him since vanilla. "lvl3 doom is not hard to handle" smh; are you serious? this is what im talking about you guys have no idea what your talking about. dooms xf3 combos do over 1.2 mil w/o a super and his xfgc lvl3 does over 700k; easy. since dooms missles are such a problem how about snaping him in and taking him out? that only cost 1 meter by the way.
levi8then 2 months ago
@levi8then u are repeatedly missing the point. Gonna say this one last time: u are using meter to open someone up, not using meter to decide what to do after u've opened him up. The former is the hard part, and mutually exclusive yet u repeatedly think they are the same. Gonna stop reasoning with an ignoramus like u so I'll talk in a manner which you can comprehend: No, YOUR a ignorant alpha to the omega mega free bogo scrub for life , gg no rm.
ixd34thxi 2 months ago
u are repeatedly missing the point if u use 3 meters & and x factor somebody on the other team should die matter of fact 2 characters should die. spencer was the incoming character only had 60% life and survived. how is that a good setup its a nice trick to end a match but its a waste otherwise. your logic is tragically flawed; the 2nd sentence in your malarky makes absolutely no sense. I'll body bag yo whole squad free wth little to no effort all 3 a yall catz is scrubs im done.
levi8then 2 months ago
@levi8then
We went over this already. That combo on Spencer was supposed to kill him. If that did kill, he'd probably have some setup on Doom with a good chance to kill him while still having about 5 seconds of x-factor1 time left. As I said, he had the meter for a guaranteed combo on Spencer, that's much different than trying to land the first hit, then deciding how many meters you will use to kill them from that first hit.
Emillll 2 months ago
@Emillll guaranteed combo (I think theres ways out of it) & guaranteed kill is 2 different storys . If abegen uses that set up on the last character and kills him; hey great decision. but that set up probably only nets about 6-700k of damage for 3 meters and xf thats horrible. then doom comes in full health & you have 0 meter & 5 seconds of xf1 even if u get a combo theres no way u can kill him. if kuuron lames out she hulk abegen would have loss that match.
levi8then 2 months ago
@Emillll I did explain read the comments. you a japanese groupie scrub, son. What would you do if played against abegen? you might well just not even play since hes so impossible to beat.
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Linternauter 2 months ago
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@levi8then and even more hypocritical of you is deliberately forgetting that this the 10th part of a series of video and Abegen only implemented this strategy in this one instance. In the previous part, Abegen produced some exceptionally beautiful combo emphasizing team effort oververusing a single character a la NA way, and boi was it a joy to watch him overpower his ennemies with absurd combos!!!
Linternauter 2 months ago
@levi8then
lol? Why wouldn't it work on characters with airdashes or double jumps? I can see why it wouldn't work on Sentinel but not the former.
Abegen and GX technology is on a higher level than US. It looks like they are more willing to explore the game fully than the US is. Honestly I thought Japan had very low interest in this game and wasn't expecting a level THIS high from Japan in this game until I saw this video.
Emillll 2 months ago
After these he can x-factor and I think get a sure kill on ANY character, for three meters ABEGEN doesn't have a near-kill he has a SURE kill, on ANY character i bet, since after x-factor he can build more meter with she-hulk, i bet he can take out the best character the other guy has like that, for sure
jesperbech 2 months ago
ABEGEN has the sickest set-up ever, not even combofiend comes close, when he gets three meters he can throw a King with Tron, if it doesn't connect, near grab with thor and with his increased range, since King takes time to come out, if the opponent is on the ground, he gets grabbed, the only other option is for the opponent to be in the air and then he can grab with She-Hulk, I believe this is the Only True Unblockable set-up in MvC 3, so far, and it works in far more places than the semi-true
jesperbech 2 months ago
Evo belongs to these guys everyone else are frauds
jesperbech 2 months ago
i hope these guys post a video around Evo time cuz I'd rather watch these guys than Noel 'Tier Whore' Brown, Fillipino 'Keep-Away Whore' Champ, Mike 'Paid Fraud' Ross, etc It is frankly gettin old watchin those tier whores duke it out and spreadin the tier whore mentality to every person who follows them, it is like a form of in-breedin
jesperbech 2 months ago
@jesperbech Dont forget Fana "Stuck in the 90's" tiq
PaiZuriFAN 2 months ago
@PaiZuriFAN I don't know I admire Fanatiq for beatin stick players with his pad controller, stick players have buttons all laid out Fanatiq actually has to move his fingers as well as hit the right buttons, and, timin
jesperbech 2 months ago
@PaiZuriFAN Besides, this is a new game, he may use the same team as many did before but he is using them in a new game , he may use a team from the 90's but he is doing so in a new engine, and, no new terms. Don't see that one decision is being ' Stuck'
jesperbech 2 months ago
the Best American Tron or best American Thor are NOTHING compared to this
jesperbech 2 months ago
when youre a japanophile japanese stuff always looks THAT much better but these guys arent even levels upon levels higher than NA players.
MonkeyCha0s 2 months ago
@MonkeyCha0s
You're absolutely right. Stop overrating things. These guys are good, there's no doubt about it, but you must be a fucking fool/tool to think that they're better than the top NA players.
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@fortJamesRemix No they are better. I dont even think EVO is representative of the top crop in North America. These guy havent in the video havent even played Evo and probably never will. But I'm willing to bed in a matchup against their NA counterpart, they'd come out on top!
Linternauter 2 months ago
@fortJamesRemix you maybe right there but at least the japs use a diverse player selection and it aint the same shit you see in NA
bitnissan 2 months ago
@fortJamesRemix While I am not sure if Japanese players are better than NA players in umvc3, I do notice that Japanese players tend to be more creative in their line ups. NA players like to copy each other and tend to pick those so-called top tier characters. I just think it's more enjoyable to watch different line up. After all, this game does have over 30 characters. I am just sick of watching Wesker, wesker, wesker.
jibikao 2 months ago
@fortJamesRemix Though the use of assists are super creative and good. Doom rockets as spencer uses OTG dive. And Tron with the rock smash when She Hulk is in that ass :)
dritnavn 2 months ago
these guys Are EVO
jesperbech 2 months ago
man these guys been providing hot shit since i was watching tekken 5 dr ....
chiibiROXAS 2 months ago
This guy Abegen is an old school Guilty Gear Potemkin Player. You can see his aggressive technique with characters considered to be low if not bottom tier. The dude takes characters that cannot rush and rushes... Its nuts and props to him.
Heidernn98 2 months ago 6
"How's that for a court room drama?" LOL great line. Very exciting to watch. This Tron/Thor/She-Hulk is so good. I don't know why Thor is seen as a low-tier character. I never see anyone using him in tournament in USA. Thor looks very good. He can charge through projectiles, his damage is very high and he even has a good projectile. That Spencer has some nasty combos as well. I really enjoy watching his Phoenix Wright when he gets into that mode.
jibikao 2 months ago in playlist More videos from SMOAI2010
@jibikao Yes that's why I said that US players are nowhere near the japanese. In fact, OGTY has a combo Thor Captain american at the start of the tourney which is just SUPERB to watch. Man the most impressive thing here is the BEAUTY of the combo. I mean the sort of damage he can deal with that Thor just makes him like such a nimble character which he is obviously not, quite incredible.
Linternauter 2 months ago
awesome =D
colapol 2 months ago
this game looks so fucking weird and random
RetroHunter06 2 months ago
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Poor servbot :(
Tiomasta 2 months ago
Best fucking matches ever
stephen877 2 months ago
@stephen877 Agreed! They failed to complete some combos but these two have excellent and beyond par defensive skills so that's comprehensible. But have a look at earlier parts of this contest. Stunning display of immagination in constructing combos this tourney was.
Linternauter 2 months ago
alotta ppl seem to think that a couple of people at tournaments represents the skill level f a whole country...ohh internet, why u soo biast
MrTyrannt74 2 months ago
@MrTyrannt74 When we refer to Japanese players, we usually mean VERY VERY TOP LEVEL JAPANESE PLAYERS not the whole country lol. In this instance, it's clear that the skills on display are those players of "AWSOMEFULNESS" skill levels lol. If you watch the earlier parts in the series, some of the combos they come up with are completely absurd *cough* Kusolman *cough* lol
Linternauter 2 months ago
@Linternauter by all means i am in no way trying to discredit the people who played in this tournament. they are skilled and they have pulled of impressive combos. but ive seen equally impressive things here in my hometown Brooklyn, NY. my point is that there are people who dont go to tournys and are not known that have skill levels on par and superior than these people here, and the people at evo.
MrTyrannt74 2 months ago
@Linternauter and to sit there and say all these high skilled japanese players can defeat all NA players is just ignorant.
MrTyrannt74 2 months ago
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@MrTyrannt74 I think someone pointed out to me below that lots of unknown players are as good if not better than the folks on display here. If so, I wish they'd post vid so we can compare. And as someone else also pointed out, MvC3 was never really popular in Japan and Japanese players are indeed reluctant to travel without sponsorship. There is also a scarcity of good UMvC3 match vids on youtube, so maybe it's pointless to judge right now, but I'll stick to my claim that Japanese OWN THIS!!!
Linternauter 2 months ago
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@MrTyrannt74 And btw, I AM NOT THE ONLY ONE who seems pretty CERTAIN that american players could not compete with the skills on display here, you should have a look at the comment section for the previous parts of this tourney. Even better, watch the vids and you'll agree with me and those other posters. Noone out there plays this well yet!
Linternauter 2 months ago
what is the music >.<
HentaiZero 2 months ago
KURONN always has a had time beating ABEGEN, then who doesn't have a hard time beating ABEGEN. JAP players and NA player are so different. In American turnys i usually see a lot of throws, air throws and command throws and resets thats what makes ABEGEN team stand out to me cuz they all have command throws and hyper throws I dont really see a lot of that in jap players play style. though their execution is way better than NA players IMO. What do you guys think?
Imozart0341I 2 months ago
@Imozart0341I I agree with you on ONE THING: STYLE. Jap player are EXCEPTIONALLY STYLISTIC. Their sheer ability to perform intricate arrays of combos whether with assistance OR WITHOUT ASSITANCE just leads to pure disbelief. I'd highly recommend you watch the Magneto Strider Hyruy combo is part 8 to see what I mean, or look at Kusolman wining with Joe without Log assist. Or in part 9, how Abegen switiches between hypers to chatch out his opponent. I have never seen NA players do that!
Linternauter 2 months ago
@Linternauter I agree. I think N/A players just stick those few "top-tier" characters. They are not as creative as the Japanese players. By the way, is Wesker not allowed in this tournament? Because I don't see one wesker for a while?
jibikao 2 months ago
@jibikao Most of the weskers got obliterated in the early parts of this tourney. Incidentally the erm, ugliest combination of players (cough* SAMIDA3 IN *cough, cough* SHE-HULK TRON cough*) made it to the final while the more agile characteres (stryder uryu Dante Wesker Vergil) got destroyed in the final stages. Very telling about the skill levels of some of the players here.
Linternauter 2 months ago
@Linternauter It's said that Wesker is an "American" character, said by tokido himself, because apparently no one in Japan uses him right or as deadly as Americans. That is the reason why no weskers made it this far. I've seen some Japanese players use wesker before and it is like 50% of what a good wesker here is played like. While I think this stuff is pretty amazing, the Japanese focus on synergy and combos. Americans focus on mixups, traps, and single character tiers.
ixd34thxi 2 months ago
@ixd34thxi It's possible but why do I get the feeling folks are still gauging levels according to MvC3 which is a COMPLETELY different game to this one. Ive said it before and I'll say it again, UMvC3 seems to fit Japanese style of play better so, just as with SSF4 Im still expecting them to be way ahead of americans on this one.
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@ixd34thxi And I agree, japanese players have crazy synergies between their characters, with teams formations you'd think are unlikely to work yet they can met out crazy combo seamlessly.
Linternauter 2 months ago
@Linternauter Well to be fair an amerian player called Dieminion wins alot with just joe alone also Combofiend used to cycle through like that to catch jumpers with his she hulk. J wong made good anti phoenix un-blockable tech with wesker and akuma in which while your wesker when you get close enough to an opponent like half screen do his physical counter hyper then Akumas raging demon. its a 0-1 frame trap that you can not escape no matter what
Imozart0341I 2 months ago
@Imozart0341I I think someone pointed out to me below that lots of unknown players are as good if not better than the folks on display here. If so, I wish they'd post vid so we can compare. And as someone else also pointed out, MvC3 was never really popular in Japan and Japanese players are indeed reluctant to travel without sponsorship. There is also a scarcity of good UMvC3 match vids on youtube, so maybe it's pointless to judge right now, but I'll stick to my claim that Japanese OWN THIS!!!
Linternauter 2 months ago
@Linternauter than why havent you answered the reason why frieda or tokido didnt make top 32 at evo 2011.
watsup516 2 months ago
@watsup516 I havent seen them play UMvC3 and it's well known that MvC3 plays different to this. Looking at the current level of Japanese players on UMvC3, I doubt americans stand a chance. I cannot comment on the evo matches because I havent seen them. Also, I am gauging the level according to the folks in this tourney, so assuming THE FOLKS IN THIS TOURNEY tourned at Evo, for sure I'd bet on them to win it all, Kusolman or Abegen in particular!
Linternauter 2 months ago
Phenomenal matches!
kingofbreaker 2 months ago
It's hard to imagine what American pro could go toe-to-toe with these guys ..
jesperbech 2 months ago
@jesperbech At least looking at the first match, Any of them. To be honest I could play these guys and do at least good enough. Of course I'm assuming these matches have little to no lag because they're in japan. I'm really not seeing anything amazing here.
Kelohmello 2 months ago
These guys would tear people new assholes, at Evo, unless they make it we won't know who's the champion, I will wonder how these guys would have done if they don't show up, Evo Will feel fraudulent less these guys well . ok Nevermind
jesperbech 2 months ago
@jesperbech Oh comon, be honest. Based on the last EVO MVC3 session, do you seriously think North-American players would stand a chance against these japanese machines? There's a huge gap between the two. The japanese players have an exceptional understanding OF ALL the characters in their team so much that they can switch between the different array of all possible combos they can perform in mid-game whenever the situation arise. NA players just get stuck mid-combo usually! Evo winner JAPAN!
Linternauter 2 months ago
@Linternauter well idk fanatiq wooped keida or whatever his name was who happened to probably be the best mvc3 player over in japan. not to mention he didnt even make top 16
FistOfSoySauce 2 months ago
@FistOfSoySauce If you guys look up Psychocharity channel, you'll see that even the japanese players struggled when UMVC3 had just come out. I think that now they've come to grips with the game and it fits their style of play a bit more (which emphasizes both style - efficiency - and substance and by substance I mean damage level), they'll be hard to beat in any upcoming tourney.
Linternauter 2 months ago
@Linternauter yeah i agree now after watching this vid ha
FistOfSoySauce 2 months ago
Ikuayo! King Thor!
zekiramasterdragon 2 months ago
Kuronn would body a lot of American players, stop undermining these guys just because they play differently.
freckleburger 2 months ago in playlist More videos from SMOAI2010
@freckleburger Kuuron/Abegen would beat ANY AMERICAN PLAYERS! Kusolman and Simida3 would do the same too, I mean the level of japanese players is FRIGHTENING! Their sheer understanding of the gameplay and characteres, you could write a book on their stupendous style of play. It's VIEWTIFUL to watch them perform, seriously!
Linternauter 2 months ago
@Linternauter ... No. This is good, but not NA level. Top tier characters or not NA players make Marvel. Are you trolling or something? They play differently but that doesn't automatically make them better.
freckleburger 2 months ago
@freckleburger
They play with a different (better) metagame and more awareness of what's going on rather than autopilot/bruteforce. There are very few NA players that I would consider to play close to the level in these videos and that's Combofiend and Wong...
Emillll 1 month ago
@Emillll You're not being fair and giving credit to some of the brilliant technology thought of by our home players. Marlinpie's anti Phoenix tech and guard break are his alone, Yipes's Dante-Akuma setup on incoming characters, PR Rog's Wolverine-Spencer mixup on incoming characters, Viscant's everything, Richard Nguyen the originator of Dante swag. You simply call these players better because you prefer their play style, your level of bias makes debating against you a fruitless effort.
freckleburger 1 month ago
@freckleburger
First of all, coming up with technology itself isn't really that much of a deal and in either case I didn't say that the american players didn't come up with good technology. There is a difference with coming up with technology in the lab, and being a very dynamic player in the middle of a match.
Your argument with prefer playstyle doesn't make sense. There are superior and inferior playstyles. Autopilot/bruteforce is an inferior playstyle.
Emillll 1 month ago
@freckleburger
For example, lets take MastaCJ's Dormammu. Sure, he has some setups that are definitely worth learning, but in the end of the day he plays fairly one dimensional and bruteforce. It's an inferior style.
Your comment on bias doesn't make sense...typically I IGNORED Japanese marvel play because I assumed they didn't care much about it aside from Tokido/Daigo playing it just because they are in the US a lot. I then watched these matches and immediately saw what's up.
Emillll 1 month ago
@freckleburger
Also after watching these matches I went back and looked at the vanilla matches played by these players, especially Kurronn(G.X). He's a monster player that's thinking on a deeper level.
Emillll 1 month ago
@Emillll Honestly, all good Spencers play the same. Though Kuronn did coin the grapple loop he was no different than any other highly skilled Spencer. I don't want to discredit anybody, I just dislike seeing either side's players discredited.
Also, the Tron-Thor-She Hulk trap has also been performed here by none other than Noel Brown in Vanilla. Wesker's Phantom Dance (Hit stun move) into Berserker Charge (Non hit Stun move) in Raging Demon (Special grab) but he got no credit.
freckleburger 1 month ago
@freckleburger
Well as I said, I'm not saying Abegen is amazing because of some technology he invented (though he did seem to invent a lot of things). There's a certain kind of genius you can notice in some player's gameplay that is absent in other players (that may be good, perhaps great, but not amazing). It's a difficult thing to quantify but pretty apparent.
Regarding Kurronn...his Spencer is very good but I was more referring to his Hulk.
Emillll 1 month ago
the new "This is bad" sounds as bad as the new "Take That"
PaiZuriFAN 2 months ago in playlist More videos from SMOAI2010
@PaiZuriFAN Don't know why you say that. They both sound okay to me.
gr8gmr 2 months ago
Its not that they are great. Its that they are innovative with stuff that is clearly not top tier. Sure they won't win evo , maybe not even get outter of brackets but these guys are playing pretty damn well. Especially in the grand finals
guamcards 2 months ago
@guamcards I didnt know there was an EVO contest for UMVC3 however, you would be hard pushed to find anyone capable of beating these guys, I mean they are awsome!
Linternauter 2 months ago
@Linternauter To be honest, MvC series was never that popular in Japan. I think MvC3 only gets a bit more popular since last year. It won't surprise me if Japanese players do better in EVO12 and again, a lot of great Japanese players don't go to EVO12 unless they are sponsored. It costs a lot of money to travel.
jibikao 2 months ago
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@jibikao I think someone pointed out to me below that lots of unknown players are as good if not better than the folks on display here. If so, I wish they'd post vid so we can compare. And as someone else also pointed out, MvC3 was never really popular in Japan and Japanese players are indeed reluctant to travel without sponsorship. There is also a scarcity of good UMvC3 match vids on youtube, so maybe it's pointless to judge right now, but I'll stick to my claim that Japanese OWN THIS!!!
Linternauter 2 months ago
lol at the ending song
sniperclown 2 months ago
11:53 Well that was interesting to watch!
shrgnatlas 2 months ago
Naruhodo-Kun~
Deathguardian1 2 months ago
This is awesome. Thanks!
Ejtan 2 months ago
Wow of all the ultimate tourneys I've seen this Japanese one has hyped me the most!
guamcards 2 months ago
@guamcards Man JAPANESE PLAYERS ARE FAR AND AWAY BEYOND any other players on the planet skill wise, they are machines with excellent dexterity. I wish they would have official tournaments of this game like they do with street fighter, it's so much more better and fun!!!
Linternauter 2 months ago
@Linternauter
These cats would get bodied FREE
fartfizer 2 months ago
@fartfizer what do u mean bodied free lol
Linternauter 2 months ago
@Linternauter dont feed the trolls
PaiZuriFAN 2 months ago in playlist More videos from SMOAI2010
@PaiZuriFAN I know right, folks saying NA players could compete with japanese players, I am like, are we watching the same thing? I have a look at previous EVO matches and can say HAND ON HEART that NA players would get eaten alive!!! There's a huge gap between the two.
Linternauter 2 months ago
@Linternauter explain why freida won evo when he went to the USA...o0o wait he didnt even make top 32. give me fuckin break.
watsup516 2 months ago
@watsup516 I think someone pointed out to me below that lots of unknown players are as good if not better than the folks on display here. If so, I wish they'd post vid so we can compare. And as someone else also pointed out, MvC3 was never really popular in Japan and Japanese players are indeed reluctant to travel without sponsorship. There is also a scarcity of good UMvC3 match vids on youtube, so maybe it's pointless to judge right now, but I'll stick to my claim that Japanese OWN THIS!!!
Linternauter 2 months ago
@watsup516 And btw, I AM NOT THE ONLY ONE who seems pretty CERTAIN that american players could not compete with the skills on display here, you should have a look at the comment section for the previous parts of this tourney. Even better, watch the vids and you'll agree with me and those other posters. Noone out there plays this well yet!
Linternauter 2 months ago
04:21 - Happy Birthday : Surprise Party Edition.
w1zdoom 2 months ago
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THIS QUALITY GAMING SMOAI2010!!!
This is HOW THE GAME SHOULD BE PLAYED thanks SO MUCH!!!
Linternauter 2 months ago
MAN WHAT A PERFECT FINISH FROM OGTY: LAWYER AGAINST LAWYER AND THE FINISHING CATCHPHRASE FROM WONDERWOMAN: "HOW'S THAT FOR A LIL' COURTROOM DRAMA..." SO FITTING!!!
Man I am so glad that OGTY WON. MAN THAT THOR!!! Because those two were so equally matched, he did not even get to land that "BY ODING'S MIGHT" COMBO he loves and so thrives on, that's how good the match was WOW. THANK YOU SMOAI2010!!!
Linternauter 2 months ago
@Linternauter
"Wonder Woman"
Umm.....
NonRandomUser 2 months ago
as a tron player that was beautiful
blackghost1791 2 months ago
@blackghost1791 it was
SuperDarkSnake1234 2 months ago
BY ODIN'S BEARD, THIS IS THE BEST MATCH UP EVER IN HISTORY. WELL PLAYED ON BOTH SIDES.
MrACeCakes 2 months ago
@MrACeCakes AGREED 10000% IM EVER SO THANKFUL TO THE UPLOADER FOR MAKING US SEE THIS!!!
Some of the combos is the earlier matchups were OUT OF THIS WORLD but only because some players overpowered their opponents. But in this instance, where two behemoths of the game with EQUALLY MATCHED DEFENSIVE SKILLS met, it was more about who would grind it, be the more inventive with the combinations, and more importantly WHO WOULD EVENTUALLY FALTER. And it was clear that OGTY HAD MORE BELIEF!!!
Linternauter 2 months ago
dat thor
dat tech
dem matches
SjorIvoJeZakon 2 months ago 5
OGTYNET! epic player!! epic she hulk thor tron!! :P
PS: i didnt realise kuuron team's have changed.!! wheres hulk! :(
kimmyrulez 2 months ago
@kimmyrulez He only used hulk I believe against SIMIDA3 IN in the last vvid because there essentially was no way to grind out the game, essentially try to outlast simida without sure death (and quick death at that). But Hulk has massive tenacity, so it made sense to perform the switch. But usually he uses that lawyer guy.
Linternauter 2 months ago
Abegen don't give a shit about meter. He'll burn all that shit in an unblockable set up. This competition was up there with the psn one. Great matches!
nivzb18 2 months ago
serioiusly, why was he just jumping up and pressing the objection button to get into turnabout mode? theres much better ways to hitconfirm into it and actually work
jonnitti1 2 months ago
@jonnitti1 Yes because all you have to do is run up and hitconfirm with pheonix wright with a cr. l that has a range of 0 on a char with air dashes, fly, and charging attacks. Stop theory fighting and learn to play the game against real opponents
ixd34thxi 2 months ago
@ixd34thxi i actually do play the game and play in tournaments and place relatively high. you can use assists to get in or tag him into a team arial combo. that move has an ass ton of startup and anybody with a heartbeat can see it. as a whole i felt that player wasnt very strong, theres a lot of things he could have done different, like using his turnabout mode assist, which is completely invulnerable and causes a wallbounce. but hey, im theory fighting, i guess game knowledge doesnt help
jonnitti1 2 months ago
@jonnitti1 Actually the turnabout mode assist is no longer invulnerable so its not as good, which is probably why he's using the dog assist for horizontal control for Spencer. Saying phoenix wright can use assists to get in is pointless because HIS assists are missiles and prolly some grapple, neither of which will open anyone up unless they don't feel like blocking. I understand what your saying, but your comment seems more in a general sense instead of what the situation actually is.
ixd34thxi 2 months ago
@ixd34thxi you can definitely get in using hidden missiles because it forces them to block. and correct me if im wrong but i think jC can cross up, so using hidden missiles to force them to block and going for a cross up mix up can be pretty solid. as for his team, i dont think it has much synergy. instead of spencer, a better choice IMO would be tasky, dante or virgil seeing as they all have assists that can give phoenix wright some solid cover.
jonnitti1 2 months ago
@jonnitti1 For the j. C to cross up, u have to let them come out of block stun, and any competent player will just chicken block the missiles. Missiles forces them to block, true, but the missiles have to come out. Wright gets mauled half the time so missiles is used more defensively for him, he can't make space for missiles to be used offensively. I know because I tried Wright and Missiles. But yea his team really is Spencer and Doom, and he threw Wright in there prolly cuz he likes him lol.
ixd34thxi 2 months ago
3:45
What the ffffuck did they do to She-Hulk's face?
Looks likea She-male
Shintroy 2 months ago
Abegen and Kuuronn is amazing!
MINItheFox 2 months ago
@MINItheFox How many ABEGEN (OGTY) were playing lol, I got confused at the end (is it different folks, cos there was an ABEGEN but there were plenty of OGTY!!!).
Linternauter 2 months ago
NO SPOILERS! This was an amazing series! Thank you!
AntiPeach 2 months ago
Why is Kuuronn's Phoenix Wright soooo sick!?! O_0
Renzythegreat91 2 months ago
@Renzythegreat91 He is OK. Im sure he is good but Kuuron actually never got to use him fully because of the offensive quality of the opponents in his later matchups. The only instance I remember where he was able to apply so much pressure with the Lawyer (phoenix) is in this instance/final game. Incidentally Kuuron spent quite a lot of time training Phoenix, but never really use him lol.
Linternauter 2 months ago
That She Hulk reset is fucking genius! 2:25
Alphonse64 2 months ago
also am I the only one who it paused for at 5:36? RIGHT as Thor was about to grab him too
Caine187 2 months ago
@Caine187 I always wonder how come Bionic Pow overpower most other Hyper combos. I think Ive only ever seen it being defeated by another hyper combo once during the tourney, but cant remember whose player hyper it was lol.
Linternauter 2 months ago
@Linternauter i think crimson viper is the person
stareco5 2 months ago
that was nice how he tried to kill doom at 0:57
Caine187 2 months ago
NOOO KUURONN!!!! WHY YOU LOSE?!? D:<
icemaster808 2 months ago
KUURONN? YES, THANK YOU
I haven't followed this string of videos 100%
was he in any other ones?
BlahBitchBitch 2 months ago
Epic finals are epic!
ptyzephil 2 months ago
Holy shit, this OGTYnet guy is my new favorite player. So much technology!
vietleis 2 months ago
Outstanding performance!!!!
FooooxNO1 2 months ago