I like John Stuart Mill's view about using the government as a despot agent in order to stop a serious threat to society like slavery or the massacre of innocents. The Noam Chomsky followers don't seem to get this, complaining about injustice doesn't fix it. One example of how I believe the anti-war left has failed in helping their fellow humans is Darfur, arguing the evil deeds America has done with its power whenever an intervention is purposed allows the innocent to be slaughtered.
Hitchens lives! I never thought I'd miss someone I did not know personally, what he said changed me. I do not agree with everything he said, but I love him for his courage.
@Mishkafofer Thanks for the clarification. I was making Chomsky's point that we should look at ourselves instead of blaming our enemies (their own population has the duty to criticise their government). The difference is that Hitchens wants enemies to beat (his upbringing I suppose), Chomsky wants us to stop supporting governments/regimes/terrorists (because after a while, we'll just blame them for using the guns and ammo they bought from us). But the Chomsky/Hitchens split went deeper since 911
this is aimed at Chomsky mentioning East Timor. Chomsky is just pointing out the hypocracy. America gets attacked and everyone flips thier shit yet when an entire island of peaceful people gets slaughtered no-one gives a shit and it's kept quiet. I like hitchens views about religion but his political philosophy is absurd, making government huge is a BIG FAILURE WE'VE SEEN IT TIME AND TIME AGAIN
@buakawkaoklai I didn't read anything you said, but it seems that you are unaware that your caps lock is on. You might want to check to see if your fly is down too.
IF THE AMISH WERE ATTACKED WOULDNT THEY DEFEND THEMSELVES TO SURVIVE...?...EVEN OUR OWN BIOLOGY WIRES US TO FIGHT AND SURVIVE...FIGHT OR FLIGHT...IF PPL SCARE YOU ENOUGH EVEN THERE IS NO MONSTERS...THAT SYSTEM KICKS IN AND MAKES YOU WANT TO FIGHT OR FLIGHT...SAME THING WITH POLITICS ON WAR AGAINST IRAN...THEY SCARE YOU SO MUCH THAT YOU WANT TO FIGHT...SPECIALLY WHEN THEY TELL YOU THAT YOU ARE CORNERED OR MAKE YOU FEEL CORNERED...AND YOU THINK THAT THE SOLUTION ITS TO FIGHT...AND WE GO TO WAR...
MUCH LIKE THE AMISH...MUSLIMS DESPITE THEIR HORRIBLE TRADITIONS WOULDNT BE SO RADICAL IF THEY WERENT ARMED BY THE US...AND SUFFERED UNDER THE WARS AND DICTATORS THAT THE US SUPPORTED...AND THEM YOU TURN AROUND AND TELL YOURSELVES THAT YOU DONT KNOW WHY THEY ATTACK YOU...IRAQ,IRAN ,EGYPT,SOUTH AMERICA, CHILE, CUBA, PANAMA, ANGOLA AFGNISTHAN...AND THE SITUATION IN GAZA...DO A REAL RESEARCH ABOUT WHAT THE US REALLY DID...YOU WONT BECAUSE YOU DONT CARE KNOWING THE TRUTH...
..THIS COMING FROM PEOPLE THAT DIDNT KNOW THAT WAS A RELIGION OF ISLAM...PROBABLY TOUGHT THAT IT WAS A COUNTRY...FUCK THE RELIGIOUS NUTJOBS OUT THERE...WHAT DO PEOPLE THESE THINK THE AMISH ARE?...IF THEY LIVED LIKE THE BIBLE TELLS..THEM THEY WOULD BE AMISH..THEY ARENT DIFFERENT...MUSLIMS, CHRISTIANS, JEWS, AMISH, IDEOLOGUES, WARMONGERS EVEN ATHEISTS... ITS ALL ABOUT OBSSESSION, INDOCTRINATION, SELF RIGHTEOUNESS...ALL THE SAME...THEY WANT TO BE THE ONLY ONES CONTROLLING THE FLOW OF INFORMATION...
@buakawkaoklai You have no idea what the Amish are. I have lived amongst them and they're the most peaceful people..and they most definitely AREN'T contributing to any crime, proselytizing, global warming as they use horse and buggy, and not many modern conveniences if they use them at all. When I lived in that community they didn't. A very idyllic scene and if the people in the world were as nice as they, well...we wouldn't have problems that we do today.
For someone that lives an OCEAN away, what would you know about them? Show me articles that show them being warmongers; they're PACIFISTS. So please don't speak on something you know ABSOLUTELY nothing about.
@1Sweetsexyflava RIGHT I WAS TALKING ABOUT TECHNOLOGY AND EXCLUSION OF MODERN SOCIETY AND SCIENCE BECAUSE OF RELIGIOUS FAITH...NO MUSIC FISOLOPHY POETRY...MUCH LIKE TALIBAN...NOT THE INSANE WAY....LIKE TALIBAN KILLING PEOPLE BECAUSE OF THEIR FAITH..BUT CASTING AWAY FROM THE REST OF WORLD...CRAZYNESS...IF A MAN WENT INTO THE AMISH AND SAID WE HAVE TECH THAT PREDICTS THAT A METEOR IS ABOUT TO HIT YOUR COMMUNITY...THEY WOULD THINK THREE THINGS,THIS GUY IS CRAZY, HE IS A PROPHET...OR ITS GOD WILL
@buakawkaoklai Oh and now you know just what the Amish are going to say and think. You must be a helluva mind reader! Never met an Amish person nor ever been in their community but you know all about them...just by what you read..or wait you saw some Amish in a movie and believe that's what they're all about. Just bc they dont live per modern conveniences doesn't mean they're stupid. You're stupid for generalizing a whole group of people who don't even make headlines for anything
@1Sweetsexyflava ...I CAN USE PROBABILITY AND POSSIBILITY TO...TRY TO CALCULATE THE VARIABLE OF WHAT PPL WOULD ACT OR DO IN THAT SITUATION...HAVE YOU EVER SAW THE MOVIE A BEAUTIFUL MIND...ED HARRIS, RUSSEL CROWE...MATHEMATICS...
@1Sweetsexyflava YOU STILL WANT TO IN A DEBATE AGAINST ME ...LOL...YOU STAND NO CHANCES...HAHAHAHAHA...YOU DONT WANT TO BE CONFRONTED AND BE CALLED ON SOME REAL SHIT...BECAUSE I OFFEND PPL BY CALLIMG THEM DUMB...IF THEY ARE THEY ARE...A ROCK IS A ROCK...POINT...
@buakawkaoklai you're right, I stand no chance against you. Not because you have any intelligence which you have NONE. Remember the education demographics of Portugal, but more like your abysmal stupidity. No one can argue against stupidity and win, bc the dumbass can't realize they're wrong on anything and there is no convincing them So bring it boy, because civility is now gone with you.
@1Sweetsexyflava ...OH NO...YOU TOOK OFF THE THE GLOVES MITTENS...LOL...HAHAHAHHA...I AM NOT MY COUNTRY....AND LIKE I SAID AMISH I WAS REFERING TO RELIGIOUS PPL ...MUSLIMS IN AFGHNISTHAN THINK THA GOD SEND AMERICAN TROOPS TO TEST THEM IN JIHAD...MUCH LIKE GOD TESTED ABRAHAM...RELIGION IS CRAZY...
@1Sweetsexyflava YOU CANT TAKE THE HEAT...AND ONE THING I DO THIS ON PURPOSE ...STIR PPL EMOTIONALLY...BECAUSE OF THEIR SELF CENTERISM IT IS EASY TO TAKE THEM/YOU OF BALANCE...LOL...JUST PEP THEM A BIT ...AND THE HATE FLOWS...AND NOTHING IS MORE REAL THAN HATE ...NOT LOVE ...NOT FAITH...THAT IS WHY WE HAVE WAR....ALL IT TAKES IS ONE SELF CENTERED AND UNBALANCED PERSON TO START ONE...
@buakawkaoklai You have me mistaken for a wuss like you. I'm not worried about any heat you have because it isn't EVEN heat! Talk about HATE, look at all the hate you're spewing! You must really love me or something that you keep addressing me. And guess what you're the SELF CENTERED UNBALANCED person..Glad you recognized yourself!
@1Sweetsexyflava HAHAHHAHAHA...LOL...I JUST LOVE INTERACTION AND GET TO KNOW THE REAL PERSON INSIDE OF PPL...EVER WONDER WHY YOU HAVE SO MANY RACISM ON YOUTUBE...BECAUSE HERE THERE IS NO FACE TO ATTACH IT TO ..LOL...THIS TYPE OF INTERACTION BRING ONE TRUESELF IN TO THIS...I LOVE THE DEBATE ....THAT IS WHY...LOL
@authorityblues oh no, we all know the next thing you'd say would be "waaaaah, it's not ENOUGH WMD's....." you people are as predictable as the sunrise.....
I would say that as a culture in the US (not just on the left) the general public would rather avoid the commitment and just go about our "domestic agenda." The right have aligned themselves with a type of mindless patriotism that requires statements about the "greatness of America" and allegiance to the "values" of the nation, but without really sacrificing anything. In America we pay to have the poor fight wars for our rich. But a higher calling or cause is largely absent from the dialogue.
@Torment87 I can spot your logic a mile away sir. This kind of 'means to an end' consequentialist thinking is what brought the atom bomb to Hiroshima and Nagasaki in 1945. You still haven't answered my initial challenge which was prove how the invasion of Iraq was a moral action. DO IT
@Torment87 So what if he supported a regime change? He's still a warmonger who supported a terrible war. Defending his views won't make the 100,000+ innocent civilians come back nor will it help with ending US imperialism. I don't mind that you think what I'm saying is rhetoric because that's exactly what the state/corporate nexus wants us to believe; a nation of willfully ignorant sheep who support war crimes. So I'll say it again: hitchens was a warmonger, neoconservative capitalist.
So what if he supported a regime change? He's still a warmonger who supported a terrible war. Defending his views won't make the 100,000+ innocent civilians come back not will it help with ending US imperialism. I don't mind that you think what I'm saying is rhetoric because that's exactly what the state/corporate nexus wants us to believe. A nation of willfully ignorant sheep who support war crimes.
@authorityblues And back to the empty retoric you go. You sir, have been called on your bullshit and failed to respond in any way considered to be honest, intellegent or reasonable. As the kids of these days would say, you have been utterly pwned. I suggest you crawl back to the shadows you spawned from. Shame, shame unto you!
@madbradwilson WOW since there are only 28 million people in Iraq that's amazing 50 million get to vote ... seems your only defense / weapon is BS ...save yourself some embarrassment ..the world knows the truth now ...your lies are as weak, stupid and boring .....
P.S. the world is a little brighter place with hitchens dead :) Happy New Year!!
@914light oooooh, the population figure "gotcha moment" lol. The rest is true. you can hold your breath until you turn blue, or just scream and cry while crapping in your pants. i don't care either way.
@madbradwilson..Yes I can see you delight in making an ass out of yourself..and of course you don't care about killing innocent people after all your a hitchens fan ...and he taught his little cult well..... so carry on you knob, carry on ...
@914light people die in war. it's a fact. sorry you can;t wrap your head around that. however, saddam murdered a million iraqis. hundreds of thousands already unearthed out of the desert. you act like iraq was a paradise before that mean old GWB messed it all up. knob? lol. i bet you are the FIRST PUSSY to clam up in a face to face disagreement. but please, internet tough guy, keep insulting. it makes you look as smart as you think you are.... it really does.
@Torment87 disregarded these factors which is unacceptable. His rational (women's rights, theocratic tyranny etc) are still carried out despite the invasion. Anyone who reads history know these invasions have adverse effects and dropping iron fragmentation bombs all over the middle east won't bring democracy and freedom.
@Torment87 I already explained my thoughts on hitch. He always had mental clarity throughout the years but I thought, in my opinion, that he got lost in the post 9/11 fear machine. The atrocities of that day were crimes and the perpetrators should have been caught and brought to justice. He advocated a war that was 1) illegal by the standards of the US constitution and international law 2) caused widespread death and destruction while contradicting its aims time and again. Bottom line, Hitchens
@authorityblues And you fail my challenge. How utterly unsurprising.
Let me clarify to anyone else who might be reading this; Hitchens support for regime-change in Iraq long predates 9/11, as he explains in much more depth than I ever could in the multitude of articles he wrote (most of them for Vanity Fair) and in his memoir Hitch-22. You have the priviledge of literacy, I implore you to use it rather than giving into ignorant doctrinal thinking like Mr. Blues here.
@Torment87 You keep saying you have a balanced and rational view but you haven't once proved it. You're using insults to justify your absurd claim that the Iraq war was a noble endeavor and that hitchens was unquestionable. For once, use what little intellectual honesty you have and put your money where your mouth is: prove the war was justifiable and that it kept us safer. And please spare me the childish slandering and name calling and list some facts.
@authorityblues So this is about my views now? As I recall this was about me calling you out as a liar and a hypocrite. In fact, I've not even given you my views on the matter, so you saying I made an "absurd claim" is again highly ironic. Stick to the topic, bud. Explain to us why Hitchens is all the things you made him out to be and back it up by referencing points and arguments he actually made. Let's see if there's any substance behind your bloated bravado.
@Torment87 there was zero evidence that Iraq had WMDs. Iraq has the largest oil reserves in the world which the US has control over through secondary contractors. Take the time and research the business activity in the region from 2003 to the present. It's staggering. Again, You don't bring facts into your arguments, just emotion based condescension.
@authorityblues You can try to sidetrack me all you want with the usual, irrelevent clichés, it's not going to work. How is any of this at all relevant to the points Hitchens has made on this particular subject? Do you even know them? Or would you just rather admit now that you are an ignorant, lying weasle?
@authorityblues There was plenty of evidence AND WMD's..... saying the lie a million times won;t make it true. The Thousand of GAS SHELLS and millions of pound of Yellow-cake-Uranium makes the claim patently absurd.
@madbradwilson... BTW...your lord god and master hitchens ..sang Saddams praises yrs ago for being a secular socialist ...maybe a little reading is in order for you :)
@Torment87 every war waged by the US since 1945 has not been about national security or nation building. Overwhelming evidence shows that each war has been to advance the economic interests of the west. Your hyper-reactionary allegiance to the state blinds you. You'll believe propaganda and sacrifice international law because you run on emotion and not on reason.
@authorityblues No, I actually research things before I hedge my bets on empty retoric. I don't simply copy/paste overblown hyperboles, logical fallacies and appeals to emotion from either side. You'll find that my views on the matter are thus much more balanced than yours. Sufficed to say you accusing me of emotion-based reasoning and blindly following propaganda is extremely ironic and yet another testament to your hypocrisy.
That fact is, that Hitch was a whore that sold garbage to the highest bidder, and the rag he worked for is amongst the most right-wing garbage published in the US.
Now watch:"Christopher Hitchens - It Was Right to Invade Iraq"
the left is not iffy on islamic theocracy in the middle east. there happens to be a more relevant issue in the mix: us foreign policy. saudi arabia happens to be the most extreme case of what hitchens is complaining about and who simultaniously are the top ally of the us in the region. of course human rights are a problem but a bigger problem is how the dominante powers contriburte to that state of affairs. so the hawkish foreign against these places is bound to arise suspicion from the left.
it's sad to watch the blind leading the blind tumnling into their own graves. This man has unfortunately caused many to stumble in their faltering walk in search for truth. His intellectual arrogance could only bring destruction to himself and many of those who ignorantly follow his godless dictums.
I think it's less hypocrisy and more irony, as politics does make for strange bedfellows.
Hence why it is that Old Labour in England (pre 1987) and the right wing of the Modern Tories have identical views on the EU, and yet somehow the middle-ground political class has swallowed the idea that the EU is a good idea...
The Fraternal Order of Police could have a web site called “Mace Book,” whereat cops brag about how many citizens they've maced: sprayed in the face with tear gas.
My goal (or desire or dream or life's mission) is to shack up with several groupings of STAID, LESBIAN HOMEBODIES whose daily activities include (involve or revolve around): washing undies in the kitchen sink; flossing over the toilet; turning hobbies into sub-clinical afflictions; smoothing wrinkles; hanging curtains; agonizing during crises; lighting candles; vomiting before breakfast; languishing on the back porch; throwing seizures in laundromats; poisoning snakes...
Was sodomite Christ' Hitchens' hollow death an early Christmas gift, or retribution for the total-war that he endorsed against the mothers & children of the Arab sphere?
Wikipedia: Hitchens has written of his homosexual experiences when in boarding school in his memoir, "Hitch-22." These experiences continued in his college years when he allegedly had relationships with two men who eventually became a part of the Thatcher government.
For whom does sheriff Ben Johnson work: the citizens who elected him or for the out-of-control federal government that has made it the "law" that citizens may be imprisoned without due process?
It's a bit dispiriting here reading some of the comments from bread and butter democrats/labour types
there is a discernable resemblance between what I'd call the puritan left and the conservative followers of Islam They have far more in common than they would like to believe. They are scornful of the fruits of capital and globalisation, yearn for working class solidarity, localism, tighter family ties etc Of course Hitchens was flash, anarchic, perverse and LOVED the excesses of modern life.
Further more, he turned his back on the socialist movement because he was too impatient for a revolution against capitalism. That is a cowardly and perhaps suspicious act of betrayal towards the people he claimed to stand in solidarity with for the majority of his life. He was perhaps, in the end, a wolf in sheep's clothing: a war mongering capitalist who feared religion so much he used war as a justification for that fear. Though I still do believe he is an unrivaled thinker,we must criticize
@authorityblues "War Mongering Capitalist", War costs money which comes from the taxpayer the US is left with a trillion dollar debt from the Iraq war. Capitalists misers like myself hate unnecessary wars, because they cost money which should be used to lower taxes.
@MrGilles1990 They are two separate characteristics. War mongering because he supported wars and capitalist because he cared more about selling books than the socialist movement
@authorityblues What a despicable coward you are. All throughout this comment section you have shown your complete ignorance on Hitchens' points and a staunch unwillingness to even learn them, yet still you are remorsely willing to lie about his motives and dispositions after his demise, for no other reason than to defame him. And you dare pretend its out of a sense of honest intellectualism? I'm glad Hitchens seperated himself from callous, conceited hypocrits such as you.
@Torment87 How am I callous, conceited or a liar? Hitchens supported wars that had nothing to do with advancing democratic rights for middle easterners or safety for the US. He wrongfully depicted the anti-war movement as "termites" and disregarded their arguments. I'm not going to speak praises about Hitch just because he died, just like he didn't about Falwell or Diana
@authorityblues It's the sign of a weak mind when one has to lie to try to get a point accross. Hitchens supported the intervention in Iraq because of reasons he made perfectly clear in his elaborate articles, books and even in the debates posted right here on youtube. Yet you still make up BS concerning the man because you know you wouldn't be able to address any of his points in an academic fashion. Pathetic.
@Torment87 And I never ONCE intended to defame Hitch at all I just wanted to point out his post 9/11 faults. He was an intellectual giant who called out tyranny at any level but I can't and will not respect his views on interventionism. If you agree with everything he supported, no matter what the consequences are, you're just the type of sheepish follower he advocated against. Fuck war and everything it causes. I don't care how smart or dumb you are, I'll never follow war. Period.
@authorityblues There you have. Unconditional pacifism. Peace as a dogma, rather than an ideal or a goal. Let the world beyond our borders and all the peoples in it burn and suffer, it's all cool as long as we can wash our hands in self-righteous innocence. Such a completely immoral position to take. Thank the heavens that politics has never been constricted too much by your particular brand of masochism. Lord knows our way of life wouldn't have existed anymore...
Alas, Hitch went against his own moral principles of anti-totalitarianism towards the end of his life. While I'm a fellow humanist myself, he put it upon himself to further his atheistic agenda by supporting Bush's wars which are imperial, illegal and indefensible. Hundreds of thousands of people died from wars that did nothing but perpetuate religious hatred towards the west. He never stopped to realize that you can't fight fundamentalism with military occupation.The atheist movement was hurt.
@authorityblues Hitchens wasn't afraid of religion. He feared the influence of any belief system not based on rationality and free, critical thought. As a rational free-thinking atheist myself that seems to be a legitimate fear. The question is can we allow such systems to co-exist with ours in this modern highly interconnected world? He has one answer and you have a different one. Maybe he got it wrong but I'm pretty sure you haven't got it right either.
@icemachine79 The way I would approach trying to convert the religious sector of the world is how I would approach trying to convert the ignorant sector to reason: education and a slow dismantling of religious institutions. Dropping iron fragmentation bombs all over their countries is definitely not a good idea. Sorry, Hitch was blind in this department.
@icemachine79 If we can teach the youth, not the orthodox kooks who will always refuse to learn western values, then religious nations will become more and more humanist. It's about teaching the youth who will teach the unborn. THAT'S how you solve the "islamofascism" problem
@icemachine79: Hitchens wasn't afraid of berthing shiploads of sailors in his southern port either... Wikipedia: Hitchens has written of his homosexual experiences when in boarding school in his memoir, "Hitch-22." These experiences continued in his college years when he allegedly had relationships with two men who eventually became a part of the Thatcher government.
The level of self-criticism and moral equivalency coming out of America today is shocking. It is almost getting to the point of masochism to me, and this goes for people on the left and on the right recently. Why can’t we call a spade a spade? Are we culpable for everything our ancestors did or failed to do? I certainly think not! I'm a proud Westerner and im proud to state that our culture and ideas are not only different but better. If you disagree, your living in the wrong part of the world.
The British Empire was the largest and most suffocating empire to ever exist. Now that its gone, the envious British cannot stand to see anyone else have any power. The slave master has become a moralist, after having the whip wrenched from his hand.
The British are a nation of fault finders. They fail to see that they are an ocean of the very faults they see in others.
@MrFaisoly The funny thing is both of them also act the other way around as well. The Left can often take on their own ideology as being religious like and take it too dogmatically, whereas the Right can also act extremely hypocritical. A free thinking in political events and theory is what's required, free from the dogma of either side, with pickings on both side. So yes, Fuck them both!
@upandopen If you do some research you'll find Communism had more to do with the Nazi's failing than American politics did.
The Russians and former soviets defeated the Nazi's but we in the west like to take credit,
Also America didn't defeat the Communists once, Communism failed because of human nature and human greed. Vietnam, Bay of pigs, Korea etc all defeats for America if you look at the history books.
Things aren't black and white. America's wars aren't about ethics.!
@MegaChairmanMao Hitchens is one of the *many* leftists who were completely seduced and fooled by the anti-islam propaganda justifying the invasion of Iraq and Afganistan. Unlike most of them (Amis, Tatchell etc), he has recovered *somewhat*, and apologised for his gullibility.
He's still much better on the irrationality of religion than the irrationality of politics. But the same could be said of PZ Myers or Dawkins.
I think the question "what happened to the American Left" is best answered by way of that age-old investigative technique known as 'follow the money'. Which is precisely what politicians of The Left did when the union-busting that Reagan started not unexpectedly, nor unintentionally, dealt a crippling blow to their major source of funding. The so-called 'right-shift' in US politics was about money, i.e. corporate money, not the failure of the policies of The Left which is how it's usually spun.
The reason the Left can always correctly be accused of being hypocritical comes from its thinking process which seeks to mollify their own feelings of moral right and superiority, but ignores consequences. Which, ironically, makes the Left the least correct and least superior ideology on earth. Check out Thomas Sowell's YouTube: "Thomas Sowell on intellectuals and society." It makes everything clear.
I am always impressed with how Mr. Hitchens is willing to present his well researched, unvarnished, opinions to a crowd that he knows will not like what he is about to say. It is even more impressive that he does it at the risk of losing his most ardent supporters. Agree or not with a particular statement, I long for a time when we all take the time to develop well thought out positions and openly place them in the ring for debate even at the risk of losing our base.
@AdUtrumquePeratus76 Couldn't agree more, the man is fearless, and as you said doesn't pander even to his own base for a quick pat on the back, like so many others. Gotta respect that.
Everybody always points to the nazis or the commies and to how If America hadnt interviened then everybody would have died. America has commited horrendus crimes against south america for years. Given the logic of imperialiam as a force of good, someone should have forcibly stopped America. Suddenly everything falls over when you think about applying American policies to America. The easiest way to not be attacked by terrorists is to not be a terrorist.
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A majority of the "political left" is hypocritical when it comes to human rights. When a sadistic mass murderer like Hussein is overthrown, they still complain about the "legitimacy of the war." Where's the legitimacy needed, he killed anywhere from 400,000-1.1 million innocent people, not counting the Iran-Iraq War. That's all the legitimacy needed according the Genocide Convention of 1948, which the US ratified.
Hitchens is a brilliant thinker in every avenue except for US imperialism. He believes, like the majority of the American right, that the US can do no harm and that they are exceptional. However, all you have to do to see that this notion is false is to look at the sum total number of human casualties caused from the Pentagon vs the number of casualties on 9/11. Just start from jfk and up, millions...
@authorityblues JFK and others were using the Pentagon to end things like Communism and Nazism, which killed 100 million people in the span of a few decades, and in most cases ultimately fell thanks to American intervention.
@upandopen What did JFK do to "end Nazism?" and attributing 100 million deaths to communism is like saying "Abraham Lincoln killed a half million of his own people." It's just ridiculous. In fact it could be argued quite effectively that communism ended Nazism more than anything else in WWII. Who took out Berlin after all?
@upandopen WW2 was the only justified use of our military because it was a war between nation-states (military vs military).After the 1945, we have used our military for unjust interventionism and clandestine operations. Vietnam was not a credible threat to us nor was Iraq in 2003 or Nicaragua in the 1980's. The Pentagon starts these wars for their own economic and political interests not for defense Remember, there is almost always no correlation between a state's internal and external violence
@upandopen JFK is a true hero of freedoom. There is a great video lecture here on YouTube. Search for exact words-- "The Professor Brothers - History Lesson (JFK)"
@upandopen The US didn't end Nazism or Communist China or Soviet Union. The Soviet Union ended Nazism and the Soviet Union collapsed on it's own with the help of global economic initiatives. The US primary goal in the Cold War was to become the greatest super power in the world in which they succeeded.
@upandopen The Soviet Union self-destructed, that was a result of their socialist state that just simply couldn't sustain itself due to massive economic inefficiency. American intervention had very little effect, if ANYTHING, the US prolonged the cold war, they gave the Soviet Leaders a JUSTIFICATION to all their actions and agressivness, by being able to BLAME the uS for their ills and thus keep internal protests down by ing there is an external threat. Just unintended consequences of US policy
@upandopen And yet in the process of that the US killed plenty. Look at Mai Lai for example, and theres plenty of times the US put in dictators instead of democratically elected candidates as a result of the elected candidate having a dislike for the US. Your also the only country to ever use nukes in a war, yet happen to attack plenty of countries on the grounds that they merely have nucleur weapons. The US is imperialistic whether you wish to accept it or not.
@BiddaBiddaCherryPie Oh dear me. Did I say that? Did I say, 'Imperialism is *never* a bad thing'? Did I tell you that you could find no bad examples of imperialism, of evil done by one nation to another? I think, rather, I challenged the assumption that imperialism is simply, objectively 'bad', which seemed to underpin your comments.
@UnOxonien The very concept of imperialism is considered morally wrong by the modern world. It thrived in the medieval ages for a reason, morals were much more savage, burning someone to death was considered a good family event to go and watch. However it completely fell through in the 20-21st century as people find it morally wrong, as the very foundations require violence and war, most of the time for a selfish reason.
@upandopen But that is no case for exceptionalism. US support of regimes in the Middle East was never done in the interest of the people in those nations it was to push US policy into those countries. Now admittedly encouraging nations to fight against terrorism was a decent aim but it was nestled amongst others that solely aimed to keep the flow of oil, cheap labour etc going. In so many cases this has not worked and produced worse results. Hitchens never seems to criticise this unfortunately
@authorityblues I tend to disagree with him too, but you miss represent his ideas by saying "He believes...that US can do no harm and they are exceptional.".
@authorityblues This is an extremely ignorant comment about Hitchens. He wants Kissinger brought to trial for war crimes. That hardly qualifies as "the US can do no harm".
@authorityblues Besides engaging in an illogical argument of moral equivalence, you drew the opposite conclusion from what Hitchens said. Where the Left views man as capable of being perfected, Hitchens views man as fallible and thus one must act to reduce the dangers and evils that come from such fallibility. Al-Qaeda and Nazism and socialism are three examples of human fallibility.
@RoboSlater First of all, socialism isn't evil. I believe you're referring to the totalitarian "communist" states of the 20th century that didn't even resemble real socialism. The core of socialism is worker's control of production. Those countries used the banner of socialism to seize control and oppress their own people with centralized tyranny. Read a little bit more into history tea bagger.
@authorityblues Exactly, what these idiots call 'communist' states were in fact ABSOLUTE capitalism wherein all power and the military was privatised for a select few elite, and were mere oligarchies in complete violation of their supposed ideology/ideals (but then what government isn't?).
@RoboSlater Fighting nazism and fighting al queda are intrinsically different. One threatened the world and the other is a fringe group of terrorists who pose very little threat as of 2011. You can't use the third reich as a justification for any post WW2 intervention.
@authorityblues you wouldnt invade iraq and you bring up 100, 000 or so casualties over the entire war then you were silent when saddam killed more than 100,000 kurds , Israel is the devil even though jordanians slaughtered more palestinians in 1 night then entir israeli arab conflict .pay attention to the facts not the speculation and heart strings
@cb44ever I don't think peace can come through bombs, sorry. That's a states justification for intervention. Freedom can only come thorugh a nation's democracy, not through a 1st world military.
@authorityblues do you kno what imperialism is? america is far from an empire as can be imagined, unfortunately it is just a powerhouse sort of bully, but it garners nothing from ocupation my friend. zero.
@UpalKashey You have to be kidding me. We have over 200 military bases all over the globe, numerous wars (all of which we are occupying), and we control the global economy. That is as close to an empire as you get my friend. You and everyone else on the right can pretend that the US is an isolated, independent and peaceful state but you'd be denying reality. After WW2, we have become exponentially expanded our military, intelligence agencies, and economic endeavors.
@UpalKashey If you still don't believe me, I'd suggest as an introductory course just reading anything by Zinn or watching Chomsky's American Imperialism videos on youtube.
@UpalKashey Also, please read or watch videos of Chalmers Johnson. He carefully lays out in insane detail of how we are most definitely an empire. The evidence is OVERWHELMING. This isn't even a debate anymore haha wake up
@authorityblues: The fact that the Pentagon was responsible for war crimes in Vietnam, Cambodia, Nicuragua, and elseware, should not make Islamic Jihad A-OK, or something we should just ignore. Its still a problem. When you have a group of people demanding what is impossible: that the 12th century Islamic empire, which spanned across the entire Muslim world, should be restored, and that modern civilization be destroyed, and they are willing to kill to do it, thats a problem you can't ignore.
@athabascka Let's break this problem down though because this is an very slippery slope. This type of problem is half political half dogmatic. First, we must pull out our troops from the middle east. We're not wanted there and we have no right. Don't worry about terrorism, it's 99% propagated by the media to instill fear into the public. Second, and most crucially, education about Humanism and secular government must be spread all over the world. Not for the current radicals, but their unborn.
@athabascka So I certainly don't ignore the problem of Islamism and jihad in the world. The State and religion both carry out terrorism in different ways and I try to call out the biggest culprits. Al Queda is marginalized as with other terror syndicates. The US will always be on top of every terrorist problem now with the global spanning intelligence agencies that they have developed after 9/11. But, we need to spread the word now that religion is over. It had it's time but now its a danger
@authorityblues: The worst crimes committed by the US government ended with the Cold War. Both the US and the Soviets were the biggest culprits of human rights violations during that time. Al Qaeda is marginalized thanks to the efforts of coalition and NATO forces, who have been chipping away at al Qaeda for a decade now. If you think al Qaeda is a problem, I don't see why you disagree with Hitchens. He hasn't changed his opinion on Vietnam or Henry Kissinger.
@athabascka I only disagree with him as far the US intervention of Iraq is concerned. The left doesn't think a full blow invasion and occupation was necessary. Instead, we see alternatives such as more CIA-based intelligence stepping up to take control of terror syndicates, which is how we apprehended Bin Laden and KSM. I don't see how it is immoral to reject the concept of military intervention unless it is absolutely necessary (states vs states) . I think Hitch is wrong there.
If I murdered one person, I would not still be a better person than John F. Kennedy, FDR, or Truman, because they made decisions that lead to many more deaths.
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Sadly enough, there is a kind of an anti-intellectualism among many Christians: spirituality is falsely pitted against intellectual comprehension as though they stood in a dichotomy. Such anti-intellectualism cuts away at the very heart of the Christian message. Of course, there is a false intellectualism which does destroy the work of the Holy Spirit. But it does not arise when men wrestle honestly with honest questions and then see that the Bible has the answers. It doesn't oppose spirituality
American left and hippies had a chance to protest Soviet Invasion to Czechoslovakia in 1968 but they failed, its better to bash US on Vietnam than be a true radical for Peace on Earth.
@Mishkafofer The" American Left" had plenty of American things to try to improve right here and really how do you know that no "hippies" protested the soviet invasion?
@sinistar99 Hitchens wrote about it in his autobiography "Hitch 22". He was a radical leftist in the 1960s' but he was self aware to contradictions of the left movement and the weak response to Soviet Invasion certainly made him more aware to the problem. Also his hero was Roza Luxemburg who was a communist ideologist most critical of Bolshevik movement in Russia and its dictatorial features.
Inviting historical condemnation. That's heavy. Fail to act, and you stand to lose all that we hold dear. Goddamit, Christopher! Fuckin cancer.
mouthyweasel 1 week ago
left equals hypocrisy.considering of course its past.
all the good intentions aside.
a lot of good and educated people have a soft spot in their heart for it.
feelings must not define what it is.
rouzbehazshab 1 week ago
I like John Stuart Mill's view about using the government as a despot agent in order to stop a serious threat to society like slavery or the massacre of innocents. The Noam Chomsky followers don't seem to get this, complaining about injustice doesn't fix it. One example of how I believe the anti-war left has failed in helping their fellow humans is Darfur, arguing the evil deeds America has done with its power whenever an intervention is purposed allows the innocent to be slaughtered.
shamayaify 1 week ago
Hitchens lives! I never thought I'd miss someone I did not know personally, what he said changed me. I do not agree with everything he said, but I love him for his courage.
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@Mishkafofer Thanks for the clarification. I was making Chomsky's point that we should look at ourselves instead of blaming our enemies (their own population has the duty to criticise their government). The difference is that Hitchens wants enemies to beat (his upbringing I suppose), Chomsky wants us to stop supporting governments/regimes/terrorists (because after a while, we'll just blame them for using the guns and ammo they bought from us). But the Chomsky/Hitchens split went deeper since 911
ReX342 1 month ago
this is aimed at Chomsky mentioning East Timor. Chomsky is just pointing out the hypocracy. America gets attacked and everyone flips thier shit yet when an entire island of peaceful people gets slaughtered no-one gives a shit and it's kept quiet. I like hitchens views about religion but his political philosophy is absurd, making government huge is a BIG FAILURE WE'VE SEEN IT TIME AND TIME AGAIN
MrROTD 1 month ago
@buakawkaoklai I didn't read anything you said, but it seems that you are unaware that your caps lock is on. You might want to check to see if your fly is down too.
You're welcome.
bhilton99 1 month ago
@bhilton99 He does this all the time lol...
1Sweetsexyflava 1 month ago
IF THE AMISH WERE ATTACKED WOULDNT THEY DEFEND THEMSELVES TO SURVIVE...?...EVEN OUR OWN BIOLOGY WIRES US TO FIGHT AND SURVIVE...FIGHT OR FLIGHT...IF PPL SCARE YOU ENOUGH EVEN THERE IS NO MONSTERS...THAT SYSTEM KICKS IN AND MAKES YOU WANT TO FIGHT OR FLIGHT...SAME THING WITH POLITICS ON WAR AGAINST IRAN...THEY SCARE YOU SO MUCH THAT YOU WANT TO FIGHT...SPECIALLY WHEN THEY TELL YOU THAT YOU ARE CORNERED OR MAKE YOU FEEL CORNERED...AND YOU THINK THAT THE SOLUTION ITS TO FIGHT...AND WE GO TO WAR...
buakawkaoklai 1 month ago
MUCH LIKE THE AMISH...MUSLIMS DESPITE THEIR HORRIBLE TRADITIONS WOULDNT BE SO RADICAL IF THEY WERENT ARMED BY THE US...AND SUFFERED UNDER THE WARS AND DICTATORS THAT THE US SUPPORTED...AND THEM YOU TURN AROUND AND TELL YOURSELVES THAT YOU DONT KNOW WHY THEY ATTACK YOU...IRAQ,IRAN ,EGYPT,SOUTH AMERICA, CHILE, CUBA, PANAMA, ANGOLA AFGNISTHAN...AND THE SITUATION IN GAZA...DO A REAL RESEARCH ABOUT WHAT THE US REALLY DID...YOU WONT BECAUSE YOU DONT CARE KNOWING THE TRUTH...
buakawkaoklai 1 month ago
..THIS COMING FROM PEOPLE THAT DIDNT KNOW THAT WAS A RELIGION OF ISLAM...PROBABLY TOUGHT THAT IT WAS A COUNTRY...FUCK THE RELIGIOUS NUTJOBS OUT THERE...WHAT DO PEOPLE THESE THINK THE AMISH ARE?...IF THEY LIVED LIKE THE BIBLE TELLS..THEM THEY WOULD BE AMISH..THEY ARENT DIFFERENT...MUSLIMS, CHRISTIANS, JEWS, AMISH, IDEOLOGUES, WARMONGERS EVEN ATHEISTS... ITS ALL ABOUT OBSSESSION, INDOCTRINATION, SELF RIGHTEOUNESS...ALL THE SAME...THEY WANT TO BE THE ONLY ONES CONTROLLING THE FLOW OF INFORMATION...
buakawkaoklai 1 month ago
@buakawkaoklai You have no idea what the Amish are. I have lived amongst them and they're the most peaceful people..and they most definitely AREN'T contributing to any crime, proselytizing, global warming as they use horse and buggy, and not many modern conveniences if they use them at all. When I lived in that community they didn't. A very idyllic scene and if the people in the world were as nice as they, well...we wouldn't have problems that we do today.
1Sweetsexyflava 1 month ago
For someone that lives an OCEAN away, what would you know about them? Show me articles that show them being warmongers; they're PACIFISTS. So please don't speak on something you know ABSOLUTELY nothing about.
1Sweetsexyflava 1 month ago
@1Sweetsexyflava RIGHT I WAS TALKING ABOUT TECHNOLOGY AND EXCLUSION OF MODERN SOCIETY AND SCIENCE BECAUSE OF RELIGIOUS FAITH...NO MUSIC FISOLOPHY POETRY...MUCH LIKE TALIBAN...NOT THE INSANE WAY....LIKE TALIBAN KILLING PEOPLE BECAUSE OF THEIR FAITH..BUT CASTING AWAY FROM THE REST OF WORLD...CRAZYNESS...IF A MAN WENT INTO THE AMISH AND SAID WE HAVE TECH THAT PREDICTS THAT A METEOR IS ABOUT TO HIT YOUR COMMUNITY...THEY WOULD THINK THREE THINGS,THIS GUY IS CRAZY, HE IS A PROPHET...OR ITS GOD WILL
buakawkaoklai 1 month ago
@buakawkaoklai Oh and now you know just what the Amish are going to say and think. You must be a helluva mind reader! Never met an Amish person nor ever been in their community but you know all about them...just by what you read..or wait you saw some Amish in a movie and believe that's what they're all about. Just bc they dont live per modern conveniences doesn't mean they're stupid. You're stupid for generalizing a whole group of people who don't even make headlines for anything
1Sweetsexyflava 1 month ago
@1Sweetsexyflava ...I CAN USE PROBABILITY AND POSSIBILITY TO...TRY TO CALCULATE THE VARIABLE OF WHAT PPL WOULD ACT OR DO IN THAT SITUATION...HAVE YOU EVER SAW THE MOVIE A BEAUTIFUL MIND...ED HARRIS, RUSSEL CROWE...MATHEMATICS...
buakawkaoklai 1 month ago
@1Sweetsexyflava YOU STILL WANT TO IN A DEBATE AGAINST ME ...LOL...YOU STAND NO CHANCES...HAHAHAHAHA...YOU DONT WANT TO BE CONFRONTED AND BE CALLED ON SOME REAL SHIT...BECAUSE I OFFEND PPL BY CALLIMG THEM DUMB...IF THEY ARE THEY ARE...A ROCK IS A ROCK...POINT...
buakawkaoklai 1 month ago
@buakawkaoklai you're right, I stand no chance against you. Not because you have any intelligence which you have NONE. Remember the education demographics of Portugal, but more like your abysmal stupidity. No one can argue against stupidity and win, bc the dumbass can't realize they're wrong on anything and there is no convincing them So bring it boy, because civility is now gone with you.
1Sweetsexyflava 1 month ago
@1Sweetsexyflava ...OH NO...YOU TOOK OFF THE THE GLOVES MITTENS...LOL...HAHAHAHHA...I AM NOT MY COUNTRY....AND LIKE I SAID AMISH I WAS REFERING TO RELIGIOUS PPL ...MUSLIMS IN AFGHNISTHAN THINK THA GOD SEND AMERICAN TROOPS TO TEST THEM IN JIHAD...MUCH LIKE GOD TESTED ABRAHAM...RELIGION IS CRAZY...
buakawkaoklai 1 month ago
@1Sweetsexyflava YOU CANT TAKE THE HEAT...AND ONE THING I DO THIS ON PURPOSE ...STIR PPL EMOTIONALLY...BECAUSE OF THEIR SELF CENTERISM IT IS EASY TO TAKE THEM/YOU OF BALANCE...LOL...JUST PEP THEM A BIT ...AND THE HATE FLOWS...AND NOTHING IS MORE REAL THAN HATE ...NOT LOVE ...NOT FAITH...THAT IS WHY WE HAVE WAR....ALL IT TAKES IS ONE SELF CENTERED AND UNBALANCED PERSON TO START ONE...
buakawkaoklai 1 month ago
@buakawkaoklai You have me mistaken for a wuss like you. I'm not worried about any heat you have because it isn't EVEN heat! Talk about HATE, look at all the hate you're spewing! You must really love me or something that you keep addressing me. And guess what you're the SELF CENTERED UNBALANCED person..Glad you recognized yourself!
1Sweetsexyflava 1 month ago
@1Sweetsexyflava HAHAHHAHAHA...LOL...I JUST LOVE INTERACTION AND GET TO KNOW THE REAL PERSON INSIDE OF PPL...EVER WONDER WHY YOU HAVE SO MANY RACISM ON YOUTUBE...BECAUSE HERE THERE IS NO FACE TO ATTACH IT TO ..LOL...THIS TYPE OF INTERACTION BRING ONE TRUESELF IN TO THIS...I LOVE THE DEBATE ....THAT IS WHY...LOL
buakawkaoklai 1 month ago
it's a shame you need to call slaughtering innocent a "war" ..pls keep trying to justify your BS
914light 1 month ago
@madbradwilson show me evidence buddy. Big claims need big evidence. Do you work for the white house or something?
authorityblues 1 month ago
@authorityblues oh no, we all know the next thing you'd say would be "waaaaah, it's not ENOUGH WMD's....." you people are as predictable as the sunrise.....
madbradwilson 1 month ago
the contemporary title is Christopher Hitchens on Ron Paul's Hypocrisy.
DennisfromDC 1 month ago
I would say that as a culture in the US (not just on the left) the general public would rather avoid the commitment and just go about our "domestic agenda." The right have aligned themselves with a type of mindless patriotism that requires statements about the "greatness of America" and allegiance to the "values" of the nation, but without really sacrificing anything. In America we pay to have the poor fight wars for our rich. But a higher calling or cause is largely absent from the dialogue.
ctriamimgons 1 month ago
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@Torment87 I can spot your logic a mile away sir. This kind of 'means to an end' consequentialist thinking is what brought the atom bomb to Hiroshima and Nagasaki in 1945. You still haven't answered my initial challenge which was prove how the invasion of Iraq was a moral action. DO IT
authorityblues 1 month ago
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authorityblues 1 month ago
@Torment87 haha I haven't been called out for anything. On the contrary, hitchens has. Good try
authorityblues 1 month ago
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@Torment87 So what if he supported a regime change? He's still a warmonger who supported a terrible war. Defending his views won't make the 100,000+ innocent civilians come back nor will it help with ending US imperialism. I don't mind that you think what I'm saying is rhetoric because that's exactly what the state/corporate nexus wants us to believe; a nation of willfully ignorant sheep who support war crimes. So I'll say it again: hitchens was a warmonger, neoconservative capitalist.
authorityblues 1 month ago
So what if he supported a regime change? He's still a warmonger who supported a terrible war. Defending his views won't make the 100,000+ innocent civilians come back not will it help with ending US imperialism. I don't mind that you think what I'm saying is rhetoric because that's exactly what the state/corporate nexus wants us to believe. A nation of willfully ignorant sheep who support war crimes.
authorityblues 1 month ago
@authorityblues And back to the empty retoric you go. You sir, have been called on your bullshit and failed to respond in any way considered to be honest, intellegent or reasonable. As the kids of these days would say, you have been utterly pwned. I suggest you crawl back to the shadows you spawned from. Shame, shame unto you!
Torment87 1 month ago
@authorityblues Tell that to the 50 million Iraqi's that now vote in free elections. They tried convicted, and HUNG Saddam, BTW.
madbradwilson 1 month ago
@madbradwilson WOW since there are only 28 million people in Iraq that's amazing 50 million get to vote ... seems your only defense / weapon is BS ...save yourself some embarrassment ..the world knows the truth now ...your lies are as weak, stupid and boring .....
P.S. the world is a little brighter place with hitchens dead :) Happy New Year!!
914light 1 month ago
@914light oooooh, the population figure "gotcha moment" lol. The rest is true. you can hold your breath until you turn blue, or just scream and cry while crapping in your pants. i don't care either way.
madbradwilson 1 month ago
@madbradwilson..Yes I can see you delight in making an ass out of yourself..and of course you don't care about killing innocent people after all your a hitchens fan ...and he taught his little cult well..... so carry on you knob, carry on ...
914light 1 month ago
@914light people die in war. it's a fact. sorry you can;t wrap your head around that. however, saddam murdered a million iraqis. hundreds of thousands already unearthed out of the desert. you act like iraq was a paradise before that mean old GWB messed it all up. knob? lol. i bet you are the FIRST PUSSY to clam up in a face to face disagreement. but please, internet tough guy, keep insulting. it makes you look as smart as you think you are.... it really does.
madbradwilson 1 month ago
@Torment87 disregarded these factors which is unacceptable. His rational (women's rights, theocratic tyranny etc) are still carried out despite the invasion. Anyone who reads history know these invasions have adverse effects and dropping iron fragmentation bombs all over the middle east won't bring democracy and freedom.
authorityblues 1 month ago
@Torment87 I already explained my thoughts on hitch. He always had mental clarity throughout the years but I thought, in my opinion, that he got lost in the post 9/11 fear machine. The atrocities of that day were crimes and the perpetrators should have been caught and brought to justice. He advocated a war that was 1) illegal by the standards of the US constitution and international law 2) caused widespread death and destruction while contradicting its aims time and again. Bottom line, Hitchens
authorityblues 1 month ago
@authorityblues And you fail my challenge. How utterly unsurprising.
Let me clarify to anyone else who might be reading this; Hitchens support for regime-change in Iraq long predates 9/11, as he explains in much more depth than I ever could in the multitude of articles he wrote (most of them for Vanity Fair) and in his memoir Hitch-22. You have the priviledge of literacy, I implore you to use it rather than giving into ignorant doctrinal thinking like Mr. Blues here.
Torment87 1 month ago
@Torment87 I have the suspicion that you don't know what you're arguing for. You should consider changing your name to mental torment.
authorityblues 1 month ago
@Torment87 You keep saying you have a balanced and rational view but you haven't once proved it. You're using insults to justify your absurd claim that the Iraq war was a noble endeavor and that hitchens was unquestionable. For once, use what little intellectual honesty you have and put your money where your mouth is: prove the war was justifiable and that it kept us safer. And please spare me the childish slandering and name calling and list some facts.
authorityblues 1 month ago
@authorityblues So this is about my views now? As I recall this was about me calling you out as a liar and a hypocrite. In fact, I've not even given you my views on the matter, so you saying I made an "absurd claim" is again highly ironic. Stick to the topic, bud. Explain to us why Hitchens is all the things you made him out to be and back it up by referencing points and arguments he actually made. Let's see if there's any substance behind your bloated bravado.
Torment87 1 month ago
@Torment87 there was zero evidence that Iraq had WMDs. Iraq has the largest oil reserves in the world which the US has control over through secondary contractors. Take the time and research the business activity in the region from 2003 to the present. It's staggering. Again, You don't bring facts into your arguments, just emotion based condescension.
authorityblues 1 month ago
@authorityblues You can try to sidetrack me all you want with the usual, irrelevent clichés, it's not going to work. How is any of this at all relevant to the points Hitchens has made on this particular subject? Do you even know them? Or would you just rather admit now that you are an ignorant, lying weasle?
Torment87 1 month ago
@authorityblues There was plenty of evidence AND WMD's..... saying the lie a million times won;t make it true. The Thousand of GAS SHELLS and millions of pound of Yellow-cake-Uranium makes the claim patently absurd.
madbradwilson 1 month ago
@madbradwilson... BTW...your lord god and master hitchens ..sang Saddams praises yrs ago for being a secular socialist ...maybe a little reading is in order for you :)
Happy New Year !! without hitchens lies :)
914light 1 month ago
@Torment87 every war waged by the US since 1945 has not been about national security or nation building. Overwhelming evidence shows that each war has been to advance the economic interests of the west. Your hyper-reactionary allegiance to the state blinds you. You'll believe propaganda and sacrifice international law because you run on emotion and not on reason.
authorityblues 1 month ago
@authorityblues No, I actually research things before I hedge my bets on empty retoric. I don't simply copy/paste overblown hyperboles, logical fallacies and appeals to emotion from either side. You'll find that my views on the matter are thus much more balanced than yours. Sufficed to say you accusing me of emotion-based reasoning and blindly following propaganda is extremely ironic and yet another testament to your hypocrisy.
Torment87 1 month ago
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That fact is, that Hitch was a whore that sold garbage to the highest bidder, and the rag he worked for is amongst the most right-wing garbage published in the US.
Now watch:"Christopher Hitchens - It Was Right to Invade Iraq"
watch?v=E96-2BftzGE
yourtreat2 1 month ago
the left is not iffy on islamic theocracy in the middle east. there happens to be a more relevant issue in the mix: us foreign policy. saudi arabia happens to be the most extreme case of what hitchens is complaining about and who simultaniously are the top ally of the us in the region. of course human rights are a problem but a bigger problem is how the dominante powers contriburte to that state of affairs. so the hawkish foreign against these places is bound to arise suspicion from the left.
fede2 2 months ago
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I prayed for mercy for Hitch, yet
it's sad to watch the blind leading the blind tumnling into their own graves. This man has unfortunately caused many to stumble in their faltering walk in search for truth. His intellectual arrogance could only bring destruction to himself and many of those who ignorantly follow his godless dictums.
dyingtodeath 2 months ago
Looks like nature jehaded your ass hitchen...not a Muslim ..you baby killer !
914light 2 months ago
@914light FUKTARD!
nicolobo76 1 month ago in playlist Hitchens, Dawkins, etc.
@nicolobo76 ..you do your filthy lord god and savior hitchens proud :) keep up the good work !
914light 1 month ago
I think it's less hypocrisy and more irony, as politics does make for strange bedfellows.
Hence why it is that Old Labour in England (pre 1987) and the right wing of the Modern Tories have identical views on the EU, and yet somehow the middle-ground political class has swallowed the idea that the EU is a good idea...
tdp1909 2 months ago
A Merry Hitchmas & Reason's Greetings!
tdp1909 2 months ago
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The Fraternal Order of Police could have a web site called “Mace Book,” whereat cops brag about how many citizens they've maced: sprayed in the face with tear gas.
procommenter 2 months ago
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My goal (or desire or dream or life's mission) is to shack up with several groupings of STAID, LESBIAN HOMEBODIES whose daily activities include (involve or revolve around): washing undies in the kitchen sink; flossing over the toilet; turning hobbies into sub-clinical afflictions; smoothing wrinkles; hanging curtains; agonizing during crises; lighting candles; vomiting before breakfast; languishing on the back porch; throwing seizures in laundromats; poisoning snakes...
procommenter 2 months ago
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Was sodomite Christ' Hitchens' hollow death an early Christmas gift, or retribution for the total-war that he endorsed against the mothers & children of the Arab sphere?
Wikipedia: Hitchens has written of his homosexual experiences when in boarding school in his memoir, "Hitch-22." These experiences continued in his college years when he allegedly had relationships with two men who eventually became a part of the Thatcher government.
procommenter 2 months ago
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For whom does sheriff Ben Johnson work: the citizens who elected him or for the out-of-control federal government that has made it the "law" that citizens may be imprisoned without due process?
procommenter 2 months ago
That first question is 44 seconds long. That is a sign of someone who cannot think clearly.
firestartertwistedfi 2 months ago
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The Illuminati aren't promoting the Ten Commandments; they're promoting hedonism. Is hedonism more aligned with atheism or with Christianity?
procommenter 2 months ago
It's a bit dispiriting here reading some of the comments from bread and butter democrats/labour types
there is a discernable resemblance between what I'd call the puritan left and the conservative followers of Islam They have far more in common than they would like to believe. They are scornful of the fruits of capital and globalisation, yearn for working class solidarity, localism, tighter family ties etc Of course Hitchens was flash, anarchic, perverse and LOVED the excesses of modern life.
baconsplace 2 months ago
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@baconsplace : Death cured Christ' Hitchens of his homosexuality. He hasn't buggered a man in a week.
procommenter 2 months ago
Further more, he turned his back on the socialist movement because he was too impatient for a revolution against capitalism. That is a cowardly and perhaps suspicious act of betrayal towards the people he claimed to stand in solidarity with for the majority of his life. He was perhaps, in the end, a wolf in sheep's clothing: a war mongering capitalist who feared religion so much he used war as a justification for that fear. Though I still do believe he is an unrivaled thinker,we must criticize
authorityblues 2 months ago
@authorityblues "War Mongering Capitalist", War costs money which comes from the taxpayer the US is left with a trillion dollar debt from the Iraq war. Capitalists misers like myself hate unnecessary wars, because they cost money which should be used to lower taxes.
MrGilles1990 2 months ago
@MrGilles1990 They are two separate characteristics. War mongering because he supported wars and capitalist because he cared more about selling books than the socialist movement
authorityblues 2 months ago
@authorityblues champagne socialist then.
MrGilles1990 2 months ago
@authorityblues What a despicable coward you are. All throughout this comment section you have shown your complete ignorance on Hitchens' points and a staunch unwillingness to even learn them, yet still you are remorsely willing to lie about his motives and dispositions after his demise, for no other reason than to defame him. And you dare pretend its out of a sense of honest intellectualism? I'm glad Hitchens seperated himself from callous, conceited hypocrits such as you.
Torment87 2 months ago
@Torment87 How am I callous, conceited or a liar? Hitchens supported wars that had nothing to do with advancing democratic rights for middle easterners or safety for the US. He wrongfully depicted the anti-war movement as "termites" and disregarded their arguments. I'm not going to speak praises about Hitch just because he died, just like he didn't about Falwell or Diana
authorityblues 2 months ago
@authorityblues It's the sign of a weak mind when one has to lie to try to get a point accross. Hitchens supported the intervention in Iraq because of reasons he made perfectly clear in his elaborate articles, books and even in the debates posted right here on youtube. Yet you still make up BS concerning the man because you know you wouldn't be able to address any of his points in an academic fashion. Pathetic.
Torment87 1 month ago
@Torment87 And I never ONCE intended to defame Hitch at all I just wanted to point out his post 9/11 faults. He was an intellectual giant who called out tyranny at any level but I can't and will not respect his views on interventionism. If you agree with everything he supported, no matter what the consequences are, you're just the type of sheepish follower he advocated against. Fuck war and everything it causes. I don't care how smart or dumb you are, I'll never follow war. Period.
authorityblues 2 months ago
@authorityblues There you have. Unconditional pacifism. Peace as a dogma, rather than an ideal or a goal. Let the world beyond our borders and all the peoples in it burn and suffer, it's all cool as long as we can wash our hands in self-righteous innocence. Such a completely immoral position to take. Thank the heavens that politics has never been constricted too much by your particular brand of masochism. Lord knows our way of life wouldn't have existed anymore...
Torment87 1 month ago
Alas, Hitch went against his own moral principles of anti-totalitarianism towards the end of his life. While I'm a fellow humanist myself, he put it upon himself to further his atheistic agenda by supporting Bush's wars which are imperial, illegal and indefensible. Hundreds of thousands of people died from wars that did nothing but perpetuate religious hatred towards the west. He never stopped to realize that you can't fight fundamentalism with military occupation.The atheist movement was hurt.
authorityblues 2 months ago
@authorityblues Hitchens wasn't afraid of religion. He feared the influence of any belief system not based on rationality and free, critical thought. As a rational free-thinking atheist myself that seems to be a legitimate fear. The question is can we allow such systems to co-exist with ours in this modern highly interconnected world? He has one answer and you have a different one. Maybe he got it wrong but I'm pretty sure you haven't got it right either.
icemachine79 2 months ago
@icemachine79 The way I would approach trying to convert the religious sector of the world is how I would approach trying to convert the ignorant sector to reason: education and a slow dismantling of religious institutions. Dropping iron fragmentation bombs all over their countries is definitely not a good idea. Sorry, Hitch was blind in this department.
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@icemachine79 If we can teach the youth, not the orthodox kooks who will always refuse to learn western values, then religious nations will become more and more humanist. It's about teaching the youth who will teach the unborn. THAT'S how you solve the "islamofascism" problem
authorityblues 2 months ago
@icemachine79: Hitchens wasn't afraid of berthing shiploads of sailors in his southern port either... Wikipedia: Hitchens has written of his homosexual experiences when in boarding school in his memoir, "Hitch-22." These experiences continued in his college years when he allegedly had relationships with two men who eventually became a part of the Thatcher government.
procommenter 2 months ago
@procommenter YOU WOT! keep your own fantasies to yuurself!!!!
baconsplace 2 months ago
@procommenter "Hitchens wasn't afraid of berthing shiploads of sailors in his southern port either... "
Hahahaha! lol @ "berthing"
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procommenter 2 months ago
The level of self-criticism and moral equivalency coming out of America today is shocking. It is almost getting to the point of masochism to me, and this goes for people on the left and on the right recently. Why can’t we call a spade a spade? Are we culpable for everything our ancestors did or failed to do? I certainly think not! I'm a proud Westerner and im proud to state that our culture and ideas are not only different but better. If you disagree, your living in the wrong part of the world.
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The British Empire was the largest and most suffocating empire to ever exist. Now that its gone, the envious British cannot stand to see anyone else have any power. The slave master has become a moralist, after having the whip wrenched from his hand.
The British are a nation of fault finders. They fail to see that they are an ocean of the very faults they see in others.
menacingshadows 2 months ago
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menacingshadows 2 months ago
Left are bunch of hypocrites and the Right are Crazy Religious , Fuck them both!
MrFaisoly 2 months ago 11
@MrFaisoly Centrism ftw!
zaczoc 2 months ago
@MrFaisoly The funny thing is both of them also act the other way around as well. The Left can often take on their own ideology as being religious like and take it too dogmatically, whereas the Right can also act extremely hypocritical. A free thinking in political events and theory is what's required, free from the dogma of either side, with pickings on both side. So yes, Fuck them both!
fistfulofknowledge 2 months ago
@upandopen If you do some research you'll find Communism had more to do with the Nazi's failing than American politics did.
The Russians and former soviets defeated the Nazi's but we in the west like to take credit,
Also America didn't defeat the Communists once, Communism failed because of human nature and human greed. Vietnam, Bay of pigs, Korea etc all defeats for America if you look at the history books.
Things aren't black and white. America's wars aren't about ethics.!
claudis192 3 months ago
I don't agree with everything he says, but at least he can think for himself.
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"I don't agree with everything he says, but at least he can think for himself."
Only if you amounted to an iota of his intellect.
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Hitchens make me embarrassed to be an atheist. What a warmongering scumbag.
MegaChairmanMao 3 months ago
Hitchens make me embarrassed to be an atheist. What a warmongering scumbag.
MegaChairmanMao 3 months ago
@MegaChairmanMao Hitchens is one of the *many* leftists who were completely seduced and fooled by the anti-islam propaganda justifying the invasion of Iraq and Afganistan. Unlike most of them (Amis, Tatchell etc), he has recovered *somewhat*, and apologised for his gullibility.
He's still much better on the irrationality of religion than the irrationality of politics. But the same could be said of PZ Myers or Dawkins.
KapStuf 3 months ago
@MegaChairmanMao A Maoist nut-hugger callilng anybody else a warmongerer is like a KKK neo-Nazi telling blacks and Jews they're humans.
nocompunctions 3 months ago
the Bushes are a crime family and a fascist cult group
redpaul79 4 months ago
Although Hitchens really hammers the left a lot of the times ,more so than the right ,but he still regards himself as a leftist.
vashna3799 4 months ago
"Usually our enemies are really the good guys."
What? We had great good-guy enemies in Iraq, Korean war, Libya, WWII, and the Soviet Union?
charlesvan13 4 months ago
I think the question "what happened to the American Left" is best answered by way of that age-old investigative technique known as 'follow the money'. Which is precisely what politicians of The Left did when the union-busting that Reagan started not unexpectedly, nor unintentionally, dealt a crippling blow to their major source of funding. The so-called 'right-shift' in US politics was about money, i.e. corporate money, not the failure of the policies of The Left which is how it's usually spun.
Xz10zb4SNz 4 months ago
The reason the Left can always correctly be accused of being hypocritical comes from its thinking process which seeks to mollify their own feelings of moral right and superiority, but ignores consequences. Which, ironically, makes the Left the least correct and least superior ideology on earth. Check out Thomas Sowell's YouTube: "Thomas Sowell on intellectuals and society." It makes everything clear.
RoboSlater 4 months ago
I am always impressed with how Mr. Hitchens is willing to present his well researched, unvarnished, opinions to a crowd that he knows will not like what he is about to say. It is even more impressive that he does it at the risk of losing his most ardent supporters. Agree or not with a particular statement, I long for a time when we all take the time to develop well thought out positions and openly place them in the ring for debate even at the risk of losing our base.
AdUtrumquePeratus76 4 months ago
@AdUtrumquePeratus76 Couldn't agree more, the man is fearless, and as you said doesn't pander even to his own base for a quick pat on the back, like so many others. Gotta respect that.
LaymanScholar 4 months ago
Everybody always points to the nazis or the commies and to how If America hadnt interviened then everybody would have died. America has commited horrendus crimes against south america for years. Given the logic of imperialiam as a force of good, someone should have forcibly stopped America. Suddenly everything falls over when you think about applying American policies to America. The easiest way to not be attacked by terrorists is to not be a terrorist.
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lightandbeautiful 4 months ago
The Queen's English can get you very far in America, I see.
cvb777 4 months ago
A majority of the "political left" is hypocritical when it comes to human rights. When a sadistic mass murderer like Hussein is overthrown, they still complain about the "legitimacy of the war." Where's the legitimacy needed, he killed anywhere from 400,000-1.1 million innocent people, not counting the Iran-Iraq War. That's all the legitimacy needed according the Genocide Convention of 1948, which the US ratified.
TheFederalistVoice 4 months ago
Hitchens is a brilliant thinker in every avenue except for US imperialism. He believes, like the majority of the American right, that the US can do no harm and that they are exceptional. However, all you have to do to see that this notion is false is to look at the sum total number of human casualties caused from the Pentagon vs the number of casualties on 9/11. Just start from jfk and up, millions...
authorityblues 5 months ago
@authorityblues JFK and others were using the Pentagon to end things like Communism and Nazism, which killed 100 million people in the span of a few decades, and in most cases ultimately fell thanks to American intervention.
upandopen 5 months ago 18
@upandopen What did JFK do to "end Nazism?" and attributing 100 million deaths to communism is like saying "Abraham Lincoln killed a half million of his own people." It's just ridiculous. In fact it could be argued quite effectively that communism ended Nazism more than anything else in WWII. Who took out Berlin after all?
sinistar99 4 months ago
@upandopen WW2 was the only justified use of our military because it was a war between nation-states (military vs military).After the 1945, we have used our military for unjust interventionism and clandestine operations. Vietnam was not a credible threat to us nor was Iraq in 2003 or Nicaragua in the 1980's. The Pentagon starts these wars for their own economic and political interests not for defense Remember, there is almost always no correlation between a state's internal and external violence
authorityblues 4 months ago
@upandopen No, they ultimately fell because they are forms of socialism, and were unsustainable.
Rensune 4 months ago
@upandopen - actually the biggest influence in crushing Nazi Germany was Russia try some history
ricko1111 4 months ago
@upandopen JFK is a true hero of freedoom. There is a great video lecture here on YouTube. Search for exact words-- "The Professor Brothers - History Lesson (JFK)"
S2Cents 4 months ago
@upandopen The US didn't end Nazism or Communist China or Soviet Union. The Soviet Union ended Nazism and the Soviet Union collapsed on it's own with the help of global economic initiatives. The US primary goal in the Cold War was to become the greatest super power in the world in which they succeeded.
authorityblues 4 months ago
@upandopen The Soviet Union self-destructed, that was a result of their socialist state that just simply couldn't sustain itself due to massive economic inefficiency. American intervention had very little effect, if ANYTHING, the US prolonged the cold war, they gave the Soviet Leaders a JUSTIFICATION to all their actions and agressivness, by being able to BLAME the uS for their ills and thus keep internal protests down by ing there is an external threat. Just unintended consequences of US policy
jayda5956 4 months ago
@upandopen You can't bring peace by killing millions of people and occupying their lands. NOPE
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claudis192 3 months ago
@upandopen You realize that Hitchens is a Marxist-Leninist, right? Trotsky is his personal idol.
utubenotgoodasgvideo 2 months ago
@upandopen And yet in the process of that the US killed plenty. Look at Mai Lai for example, and theres plenty of times the US put in dictators instead of democratically elected candidates as a result of the elected candidate having a dislike for the US. Your also the only country to ever use nukes in a war, yet happen to attack plenty of countries on the grounds that they merely have nucleur weapons. The US is imperialistic whether you wish to accept it or not.
BiddaBiddaCherryPie 2 months ago
@BiddaBiddaCherryPie And imperialism isn't a bad thing.
UnOxonien 2 months ago
@UnOxonien So the Nazis invading Poland wasnt a bad thing? Or the Soviets invading Finland and Czechslavakia? Or the US invading Vietnam?
BiddaBiddaCherryPie 2 months ago
@BiddaBiddaCherryPie Oh dear me. Did I say that? Did I say, 'Imperialism is *never* a bad thing'? Did I tell you that you could find no bad examples of imperialism, of evil done by one nation to another? I think, rather, I challenged the assumption that imperialism is simply, objectively 'bad', which seemed to underpin your comments.
UnOxonien 2 months ago
@UnOxonien The very concept of imperialism is considered morally wrong by the modern world. It thrived in the medieval ages for a reason, morals were much more savage, burning someone to death was considered a good family event to go and watch. However it completely fell through in the 20-21st century as people find it morally wrong, as the very foundations require violence and war, most of the time for a selfish reason.
BiddaBiddaCherryPie 2 months ago
@UnOxonien If you want your point to carry any weight i would expect you to provide plenty of examples of when imperialism was good!
BiddaBiddaCherryPie 2 months ago
@upandopen But that is no case for exceptionalism. US support of regimes in the Middle East was never done in the interest of the people in those nations it was to push US policy into those countries. Now admittedly encouraging nations to fight against terrorism was a decent aim but it was nestled amongst others that solely aimed to keep the flow of oil, cheap labour etc going. In so many cases this has not worked and produced worse results. Hitchens never seems to criticise this unfortunately
ben9345 2 months ago 3
@ben9345 The Left is about idealism and not about the effect of the action.
A liberal-Marxist that's what he was nothing he supported was against liberal-Marxism.
MrGilles1990 2 months ago
@upandopen Lol yeah because america was so heroic in WW2 it wasn't as if they waited till it suited them to help.
pandasftuw 2 months ago
@upandopen but they only seek to end those things because of their threat to the USA and it's imperialist goals
fishbowl4202 2 months ago
@authorityblues he's written entire books on the treachery of u.s. imperialism
2BitterFucks 4 months ago
@authorityblues
That's not even remotely balanced.
"9/11" was one day; the event covered not even that.
How many innocents have been killed by Saudi-related terrorism compared to US related is surely what one should be suggesting...
FourSquareEyes 4 months ago
@authorityblues I tend to disagree with him too, but you miss represent his ideas by saying "He believes...that US can do no harm and they are exceptional.".
beardedbroccoli 4 months ago
@authorityblues Hitchens has a book inditing Henry Kissinger of war crimes, and he been a staunch critic of US foreign policy for years.
AladerPoop78 4 months ago
@authorityblues - he actually wrote a book on US war crimes and imperialism. You are right about the numbers though
ricko1111 4 months ago
@authorityblues This is an extremely ignorant comment about Hitchens. He wants Kissinger brought to trial for war crimes. That hardly qualifies as "the US can do no harm".
buybuydandavis 4 months ago
@authorityblues Besides engaging in an illogical argument of moral equivalence, you drew the opposite conclusion from what Hitchens said. Where the Left views man as capable of being perfected, Hitchens views man as fallible and thus one must act to reduce the dangers and evils that come from such fallibility. Al-Qaeda and Nazism and socialism are three examples of human fallibility.
RoboSlater 4 months ago
@RoboSlater First of all, socialism isn't evil. I believe you're referring to the totalitarian "communist" states of the 20th century that didn't even resemble real socialism. The core of socialism is worker's control of production. Those countries used the banner of socialism to seize control and oppress their own people with centralized tyranny. Read a little bit more into history tea bagger.
authorityblues 4 months ago
@authorityblues Exactly, what these idiots call 'communist' states were in fact ABSOLUTE capitalism wherein all power and the military was privatised for a select few elite, and were mere oligarchies in complete violation of their supposed ideology/ideals (but then what government isn't?).
joope666 4 months ago
@RoboSlater Fighting nazism and fighting al queda are intrinsically different. One threatened the world and the other is a fringe group of terrorists who pose very little threat as of 2011. You can't use the third reich as a justification for any post WW2 intervention.
authorityblues 4 months ago
@authorityblues you wouldnt invade iraq and you bring up 100, 000 or so casualties over the entire war then you were silent when saddam killed more than 100,000 kurds , Israel is the devil even though jordanians slaughtered more palestinians in 1 night then entir israeli arab conflict .pay attention to the facts not the speculation and heart strings
cb44ever 4 months ago
@cb44ever I don't think peace can come through bombs, sorry. That's a states justification for intervention. Freedom can only come thorugh a nation's democracy, not through a 1st world military.
authorityblues 4 months ago
@authorityblues do you kno what imperialism is? america is far from an empire as can be imagined, unfortunately it is just a powerhouse sort of bully, but it garners nothing from ocupation my friend. zero.
UpalKashey 3 months ago
@UpalKashey You have to be kidding me. We have over 200 military bases all over the globe, numerous wars (all of which we are occupying), and we control the global economy. That is as close to an empire as you get my friend. You and everyone else on the right can pretend that the US is an isolated, independent and peaceful state but you'd be denying reality. After WW2, we have become exponentially expanded our military, intelligence agencies, and economic endeavors.
authorityblues 3 months ago
@UpalKashey If you still don't believe me, I'd suggest as an introductory course just reading anything by Zinn or watching Chomsky's American Imperialism videos on youtube.
authorityblues 3 months ago
@UpalKashey Also, please read or watch videos of Chalmers Johnson. He carefully lays out in insane detail of how we are most definitely an empire. The evidence is OVERWHELMING. This isn't even a debate anymore haha wake up
authorityblues 3 months ago
@authorityblues: The fact that the Pentagon was responsible for war crimes in Vietnam, Cambodia, Nicuragua, and elseware, should not make Islamic Jihad A-OK, or something we should just ignore. Its still a problem. When you have a group of people demanding what is impossible: that the 12th century Islamic empire, which spanned across the entire Muslim world, should be restored, and that modern civilization be destroyed, and they are willing to kill to do it, thats a problem you can't ignore.
athabascka 3 months ago
@athabascka Let's break this problem down though because this is an very slippery slope. This type of problem is half political half dogmatic. First, we must pull out our troops from the middle east. We're not wanted there and we have no right. Don't worry about terrorism, it's 99% propagated by the media to instill fear into the public. Second, and most crucially, education about Humanism and secular government must be spread all over the world. Not for the current radicals, but their unborn.
authorityblues 3 months ago
@authorityblues
"We're not wanted there and we have no right."
-- Are you insinuating that their perception is reality?
(Btw, you should look up polls in Afghanistan where nearly 70% of the population prefer us much more than to the Taliban).
l3lip 3 months ago
@athabascka So I certainly don't ignore the problem of Islamism and jihad in the world. The State and religion both carry out terrorism in different ways and I try to call out the biggest culprits. Al Queda is marginalized as with other terror syndicates. The US will always be on top of every terrorist problem now with the global spanning intelligence agencies that they have developed after 9/11. But, we need to spread the word now that religion is over. It had it's time but now its a danger
authorityblues 3 months ago
@authorityblues: The worst crimes committed by the US government ended with the Cold War. Both the US and the Soviets were the biggest culprits of human rights violations during that time. Al Qaeda is marginalized thanks to the efforts of coalition and NATO forces, who have been chipping away at al Qaeda for a decade now. If you think al Qaeda is a problem, I don't see why you disagree with Hitchens. He hasn't changed his opinion on Vietnam or Henry Kissinger.
athabascka 3 months ago
@athabascka I only disagree with him as far the US intervention of Iraq is concerned. The left doesn't think a full blow invasion and occupation was necessary. Instead, we see alternatives such as more CIA-based intelligence stepping up to take control of terror syndicates, which is how we apprehended Bin Laden and KSM. I don't see how it is immoral to reject the concept of military intervention unless it is absolutely necessary (states vs states) . I think Hitch is wrong there.
authorityblues 3 months ago
@authorityblues
No. It's not about counting.
If I murdered one person, I would not still be a better person than John F. Kennedy, FDR, or Truman, because they made decisions that lead to many more deaths.
charlesvan13 2 months ago
@authorityblues in the wind....unfortumate;y
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lightandbeautiful 5 months ago
Sadly enough, there is a kind of an anti-intellectualism among many Christians: spirituality is falsely pitted against intellectual comprehension as though they stood in a dichotomy. Such anti-intellectualism cuts away at the very heart of the Christian message. Of course, there is a false intellectualism which does destroy the work of the Holy Spirit. But it does not arise when men wrestle honestly with honest questions and then see that the Bible has the answers. It doesn't oppose spirituality
Readabookism 5 months ago
fuck free speech haters fuck pc
trey4439 5 months ago
American left and hippies had a chance to protest Soviet Invasion to Czechoslovakia in 1968 but they failed, its better to bash US on Vietnam than be a true radical for Peace on Earth.
Mishkafofer 5 months ago 34
@Mishkafofer The" American Left" had plenty of American things to try to improve right here and really how do you know that no "hippies" protested the soviet invasion?
sinistar99 4 months ago
@sinistar99 Hitchens wrote about it in his autobiography "Hitch 22". He was a radical leftist in the 1960s' but he was self aware to contradictions of the left movement and the weak response to Soviet Invasion certainly made him more aware to the problem. Also his hero was Roza Luxemburg who was a communist ideologist most critical of Bolshevik movement in Russia and its dictatorial features.
Mishkafofer 4 months ago