Glenn Beck Restoring Honor Rally Interviews 8-28-10

[otester]

Glenn got what he deserved, tried to play anti-establishment while stabbing the movement in the back, he irritated the establishment too much so they kicked him out.

Now no-one wants him.

[hatmap]

Is Glenn Beck really up to "restoring honor" to America after eight years of George Dubya Bush, worst two-term president in history? Let's hope Obama can get some balls and keep getting better, especially in his second term!

[viletree]

Bureaucrash, you seemed to be looking for a needle in a haystack here, a lot of the attendees here seem only interested in being spoonfed by Beck the corporate pundit. All of the clips my eyes have seen shows a notoriously religious aura about the 'demonstration', so seeking political views seems a bit out of the way, however, seeing this video shows at least some diversity at the event. The event shows at least in some way, that Americans are weary of the two party system

[ForeignPolicyWonk]

Yes. At 2:19 until 2:31, that is insane 9/11 troofer, homophobic, anti-Fed, Paul nut "kassiedill2."

Holy fuck. They had some fucked up people at that rally.

[ForeignPolicyWonk]

Holy shit. At 2:19 is that KassieDill2? The insane Paul nut, 9/11 troofer, and homophobe?

[xtaxplayer]

I can understand you not remembering what you post, or anything deeper than the talking points CNN espouses. Let me remind you "A new energy economy! . . .Dr. Steven Chu". You see Squirrel, Cap and Trade is designed to tax American citizen's and a percentage of that money is to the U.N. Really us dimwit's are so lucky we were taught to read and not just believe what the news tells us. You genius's should try it. Some day, before its to late for you, I hope you see the light.

Read, think, learn

[greatbroad]

Wanna see government in the USA? s/b: look in mirror

[xtaxplayer]

At 3:58 on this gentleman is right on the money as to war, if you are a Constitutionalist as I .

[percheron1654]

Seeking divine inspiration = idiot

Who "would" Jesus bomb? I think that's a valid and honest question.

[xtaxplayer]

@percheron1654 God still loves you, God loves all sinners

[percheron1654]

@xtaxplayer lol, as if that statement even remotely achieves insult.

I'll extend on this concept you have into a literal form. Since your understanding of reality is limited; I'll refer God to be a euphemism for the universe. The universe has proven time and time again that it shows no favor, no mercy, and does not second-guess its actions. It is unmoved by any action you could possibly take to appeal to it. Now doesn't it sound silly to tell someone that the universe loves them?

[xtaxplayer]

@percheron1654 You don't have to believe. That is the greatness that is the Lord. Unlike false God's that tell you to kill all that don't believe in him. The Lord is the true God. He cares for you, as I have said. God cares and loves all sinners. He hates sin.

[percheron1654]

@xtaxplayer The; "god did it" answer doesn't suffice with me. I'm a firm believer that a person can uphold their own morals and live a full life with absolutely no god delusion. Truth is subjective and irrelevant when discussing unproven theory.

Do some unbiased research; Learn where your Judaic Christian values really came from. And drop the self righteous Victorian morals for Christs sake...

[xtaxplayer]

@percheron1654 I wasn't trying to offend. I'm a firm believer that a person has the right to believe what they believe. I don't hold your or anyone's belief's as fool heartened. The truth isn't subjective, if it were it won't be the truth ! You explain on your own that it is "unproven" in either direction. So why do you say its disproved? Maybe you should do some unbiased research. How about starting with how sand was created, how the rock that made the sand was created, how water . . . etc. . .

[percheron1654]

@xtaxplayer It's like talking to a child that thinks he's discovered the answers to the universe......

Truth in it's very nature is subjectivity incarnate. Fact is solid, unchanged by opinion. Religion is not fact. It's a subjective truth (opinion) among a million other subjective truths (opinions). If you had actually read what I wrote you would have seen that at no point did I say it was disproven.

Think long and hard before you parrot what you were told; Dare to question your religion.

[xtaxplayer]

@percheron1654 I have questioned religion, we should do it each and everyday. By the way the Universe isn't God, God created the universe. If you only deal in reality, tell me what is a moral? What is faith? How was human life created? How was a fish created? or a flower? You deal in reality, please explain the previous mentioned questions.

You do not have to believe in God, for he believes and loves you.

[percheron1654]

@xtaxplayer That's the beauty and complexity of reality; No one knows how any of this came to be. Sure we can all speculate, be it through science or theology. That makes the question; "How did it come to be?" rather rhetorical doesn't it?

To answer your previous query; Morality is subjective.

Both religious and secular morals.

To provide continuity as well as relevance... When was the last time you killed your neighbor for working on the Sabbath? Opinions and morals, change.

[xtaxplayer]

@percheron1654 You have definitely never read the Bible especially Matthew 5:17-20 or the Beatitudes. For if you studied you would know the word of God. You would also know that the Lord shows the virtuous that it is not how you see others in God but how you see your own virtue. After all who is the ultimate judge? Is it you or I? No, it is the one true God, so it is not for us of the flesh to judge others. By the way nice try to avoid my question. If no one knows then who are you to say?

[percheron1654]

@xtaxplayer I quite clearly answered your questions, you just didn't like the answer.

If you really want me to elaborate... Faith; "A strong belief in a supernatural power or powers that control human destiny." Morality; "concern with the distinction between good and evil or right and wrong."

Your book is no more proof to your cause as is my claim that "no one knows" is to mine.

I've entertained this nonsense enough. Enjoy the rest of your short life of servitude to your imagination.

[xtaxplayer]

@percheron1654 Quite clearly "no one knows" is a clear answer. . . Ha Ha Ha Ha, you people kill me with your beliefs. Listen smart one. No one is trying to force their faith on you. But clowns like you always try to force their beliefs on everyone else. Go into your little world and hide from the truth. Don't worry we won't spook you.

[percheron1654]

@xtaxplayer Fail troll has failed trolling. lol.

Assume the position, take it like a man.

[xtaxplayer]

@percheron1654 Do you have to tell yourself to "assume the position"?? That is sad. Are you really that stoned?? I begin our conversation when you wake up. Where's the Twinkies??? (I figured that was your next comment)

[percheron1654]

@xtaxplayer nope, I'm pretty much done with what I was saying. I apparently can't convert the willingly ignorant. (you)

[xtaxplayer]

@percheron1654 You were done in the beginning. Your lack of knowledge and education has you babbling on trying to not look ridiculous and it is to late for that sadly. By the way without intelligence the last word is only arrogance showing it's stupidity. Don't prove your stupidity any longer, for your own sake, its getting comical.

[percheron1654]

@xtaxplayer I'm sooooo sorry you couldn't bullshit your way into convincing me.

[xtaxplayer]

@percheron1654 See you can't even remember the conversation we had. I wasn't trying to convince you of anything. I know you have the right to believe whatever you want. Only a close minded fool would go to a site, where like minded people are, and try to convince them different of what they have the right to believe. Know anyone like that ? ? ?

[RaySquirrel]

@percheron1654 "Who "would" Jesus bomb?" To answer your question. Anyone who eats meat on a Friday.

[freesk8]

Why did the TEA Party events stop being about fiscal issues and start being all about god?

They lost me at that point.

[xtaxplayer]

@freesk8 You are lost. This wasn't a TEA PARTY Rally. It was a gathering of Americans that care about the future of this country. A country founded through Divine Providence, which is through God's desire.

[freesk8]

@xtaxplayer I KNOW this wasn't a TEA Party rally.

But this country was founded through the intelligence, bravery and sweat of great men. To say that God provided us with the Declaration of Independence and the victory over the British is to denigrate the founders of our nation.

It is you, sir, who are lost in mystical irrationality, worshiping a fantasy that was created to keep you enslaved by un-earned guilt to a worthless priest class.

Big religion is just as stupid as big government.

[xtaxplayer]

@freesk8 You should really read the history of this nation, and its documents. Why, because God's name and virtues are written all over them. Instead of listening to CNN talking points you should read for yourself. I hope you are as young and uneducated as you sound. I can only hope you learn the truth before its to late. Otherwise you will regret it forever. ". . .And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of Divine Providence" Declaration of Independence

[freesk8]

@xtaxplayer I never said the founders did not believe in God. (A few, like Jefferson and Franklin and Paine were merely deists...) What I said was that the founders actions, and not God's were what made the revolution happen. The philosophy of the revolution came from Locke, not the Bible. The Bible supports kings, not liberty.

The Constitution has no reference to God. The Christians and deist founders created a secular govt, within a majority Christian country.

[xtaxplayer]

@freesk8 Your quote: "To say that God provided us with the Declaration of Independence and the victory over the British is to denigrate the founders of our nation.", now this would be a smack in the face of the founders. They led their lives with God as their guide. Many were ministers and pastors. Jefferson never missed mass in the federal building's. Franklin spoke of the Lord when he was in the Constitutional Convention. Paine was an apprentice to a minster. Read, think and learn the truth

[freesk8]

@xtaxplayer So who actually took action to fight the revolution? Was it God or the founders? Who fired the bullets? Was it Jesus, or the Continental Army? Who fired the shot heard round the world? It wasn't God, it was a man. To give God credit for that is to take credit AWAY from these brave men who sacrificed all.

Jefferson re-wrote the new testament deleting references to God. Franklin was a deist. Paine hated all church organizations, including protestant, baptist, etc.

YOU read up.

[xtaxplayer]

@freesk8 How old are you?? I know for a fact that you never spent a day in action, that would be military little one. God gives direction, and changes weather patterns or when you should be dead the ambush misses you somehow and gives you cover. Do not discuss with me, someone who has been in battle with your naive comments. I read not writings 100 yrs after they are gone, but their letters, notes and newspapers of that era. You should read actual documents not some re-write by a progressive.

[freesk8]

@xtaxplayer Are old people always right by virtue of being old?  Of course not. So your implication that your advanced age means that you must be right is an error of logic.

Does God direct each bullet, or does the soldier? If God directs the bullets, then why do good soldiers do target practice?

Even a child can talk about God. Sometimes they are right.

Prove to me that Franklin, Jefferson and Paine were not deists.

Disprove any point I've made above with evidence.

[xtaxplayer]

@freesk8 people do not attain knowledge with age, But youth hasn't the time to study as an elder has had. If he so chose. I have chosen to do this with my life, for I believe that without knowing history you are surly to repeat it. Quickly and continuing on from here will be historical excerpts of which you inquired. Letter from Franklin to Paine

perhaps you are indebted to her originally, that is, to your religious education, for the habits of virtue upon which you now justly value yourself.

[xtaxplayer]

@freesk8 Thomas Paine “Study of God” Paris (Jan 16, 1797) "When we examine an extraordinary piece of machinery, . . . . . . .our ideas are naturally led to think of the extensive genius and talents of the artist. . . . How then is it, that when we study the works of God in the creation, we stop short, and do not think of God? It is from the error of the schools having taught those as accomplishments thereby separated the study of them form the Being who is the author of them. . ."

[freesk8]

@xtaxplayer But from this same article, Paine writes: "The belief of the redemption of Jesus Christ is altogether an invention of the Church of Rome..."

Paine believes in God, but not a personal God, and not in the divinity of Christ.

He's a DEIST, not a Christian at all.

[xtaxplayer]

@freesk8 Who spoke of Christianity? They were as I said believers in God. Don't try to mince words. You exclaimed: "To give God credit for that is to take credit AWAY from these brave men who sacrificed all." They as I have shown and said, GAVE GOD CREDIT. Can you not admit to being wrong??

[freesk8]

@xtaxplayer That the founders gave God credit I have never denied. I think they were making the same mistake you are: giving credit to God for the results of the actions of brave and intelligent revolutionaries. I still think you take some of the credit away from free-willed people when you attribute their success to the direct intervention of God. I've shown that Jefferson, Franklin and Paine were Deists, which is all I claimed. You've not proven me wrong.

[xtaxplayer]

@freesk8 You: "I think they were making the same mistake you are."

You think? I know they trusted in God and that helped them through. You think? try disproving their faith helped them, not what you think. Show proof, or else you are wrong. You state God didn't help the founders. He helped them with courage, resolve and the knowledge of a divine spirit. God helped them to see and attain the Divine Providence they attained. You prove that their faith had nothing to do with this or you're wrong

[freesk8]

@xtaxplayer I don't doubt that they had faith, but I do doubt that faith was a net benefit to them. But you make this claim, not I. The burden of proof is on you to show that having faith helps more than it hurts. You will have to balance all the costs of having faith, (religious wars, the burden of unearned guilt, the erosion of the rational faculty, the incentive to give up since heaven is supposed to be on the other side of death, power granted to the church to oppress...)

Good luck.

[xtaxplayer]

@freesk8 Jefferson U. S. Rep. M. Cutler, who also attended church at the Capitol, recorded in his own diary: "He [Jefferson] and his family have constantly attended public worship in the Hall." Mary Bayard Smith, another confirmed: "Mr. Jefferson, during his whole administration, was a most regular attendant." She noted that Jefferson even had a designated seat at the Capitol church: "The seat he chose the first Sabbath, . . .

[freesk8]

@xtaxplayer Yet Jefferson rewrote the new testament that omitted all of the miracles attributed to Jesus, and did not ascribe to him any supernatural divinity.

Again, Jefferson is a DEIST, and not a believer in fundamental Christian principles.

[xtaxplayer]

@freesk8 Who spoke of Christianity? They were as I said believers in God. Don't try to mince words. You exclaimed: "To give God credit for that is to take credit AWAY from these brave men who sacrificed all." They as I have shown and said, GAVE GOD CREDIT. You cannot admit being wrong . . . Until you mature enough to admit you are wrong you will be looked at as a fool.

[xtaxplayer]

@freesk8 . . . Jefferson attended church at the Capitol while he was Vice President and also throughout his presidency. The first Capitol church service that Jefferson attended as President was a service preached by Jefferson's friend, the Rev. John Leland, on January 3, 1802. Significantly, Jefferson attended that Capitol church service just two days after he penned his famous letter containing the "wall of separation between church and state" metaphor.

[xtaxplayer]

@freesk8 Franklin . . .Mr. President, I will suggest another matter; and I am really surprised that it has not been proposed by some other member at an earlier period of our deliberations. I will suggest nominating and appointing a chaplain to this Convention, whose duty it shall be uniformly to assemble with us, and introduce the business of each day by and address to the Creator of the universe, beseeching Him to preside in our council, enlighten our minds with a portion of heavenly wisdom . .

[freesk8]

@xtaxplayer Franklin, in his last years, wrote in a letter to Ezra Stiles, president of Yale U., who had asked him his views on religion: "As to Jesus of Nazareth, my Opinion of whom you particularly desire, I think the System of Morals and his Religion, as he left them to us, the best the world ever saw or is likely to see; but I apprehend it has received various corrupt changes, and I have, with most of the present Dissenters in England, some Doubts as to his divinity"

He was a Deist.

[xtaxplayer]

@freesk8 Franklin:"As to Jesus of Nazareth, my Opinion of whom you particularly desire, I think the System of Morals and his Religion, as he left them to us, the best the world ever saw or is likely to see", he believes in GOD, as I have said. Have false prophets tried to change the words? Yes, just as false prophets are trying to change history in America. Amazing isn't it. I explained in their belief in God just as the Jewish and Christians believe. You exclaimed they didn't believe in God.

[freesk8]

@xtaxplayer I never said they didn't believe in God. I said they were Deists. They did not believe in a personal God and they doubted the resurrection and the divinity of Christ. This means they were not Christians. Franklin, Jefferson and Paine thought that the church leaders and theologins who attributed miracles and divinity to Christ were the false prophets. Please look up the definition of "deist" on Wikipedia.

[xtaxplayer]

@freesk8 Wikipedia?? I up date that on a daily basis. Try going with "I don't believe in God, and I would feel better if everyone else didn't either. . ." That is what you are attempting to get across. You have not right to decide or have belief's for others to follow. Grow up, and deal with the fact that natural law, "law of God", is and in this country it is the right to be free to think, worship, or do to yourself what ever you want period. May God bless you

[freesk8]

@xtaxplayer I guess you still did not look up the definition of "deist." Oh, well.

and yes "I don't believe in God, and I would feel better if everyone else didn't either. . ." but I am arguing peacefully. I'm not using force as you imply. When Christians use taxpayer money to put their messages on coins or their religious symbols on govt property, they are using force to promote their positions. I defend your freedom to worship imaginary things, and mine not to be forced to pay for them.

[xtaxplayer]

@freesk8 So what you are now saying is the founders and framers of the United States used taxpayer money to put religious messages on coins? Do you not know anything about history. They, the founders, were paying honor to God by placing God on the money, building, and documents they made. They, haven forbid, printed the bible for use in education. Yes you are pushing your, lack of, belief in God. This blog is on Restoring Honor and had everything to do with religion. Read your history, Learn . .

[freesk8]

@xtaxplayer Please read more carefully. I never said the founders used taxpayer money to promote Christianity. But many Christians today do. "In God we Trust" did not appear on US coins until 1864.

Yes, I am pushing my atheism, and just as you have a right to peacefully persuade me to be a mystic, I have a right to peacefully attempt to persuade you to abandon your superstitions.

[xtaxplayer]

@freesk8 wrong about the money, I own colonial money from 1775 to 1780 and every one says either "blessed be the lord" or God bless the commonwealth of Massachusetts. Please stop making up stories or just believing what public school's tell you. No you do not have any right to persuade anyone. What you have is the right to speak, not to persuade. Get over your self. What you are complaining about with collectivism you are attempting to do with what you call rights to persuade. Think about it.

[xtaxplayer]

@freesk8 Why would I have to LOOK up deist? It was a movement started in the 18 century, separating creator from religion. It's natural religion. I understand deism, I don't believe in it. I have an idea ! If you were at school and didn't believe in the way they were founded you would leave, correct. Read U.S. history and decide if you want to stay or not. By the way, I don't agree with abortion, I understand a person's rights. But taxpayers should definitely not have to pay for abortions !

[freesk8]

@xtaxplayer So if I do not believe in God, I should leave the US?

That's against the principle of Liberty that this country is founded on.

We tolerate all peaceful behavior in this great nation. But then I guess liberty is a principle you do not advocate.

But we do agree on one thing! Abortions should get no taxpayer funding.

I am a free market capitalist, and think that all health care should be privatized.

I'll bet we agree on a lot more as well! :)

[xtaxplayer]

@freesk8 exactly! you are right the principles are based on peaceful rights like the right to worship any God you choose. Notice not the belief in no God. What I said about maybe you should leave, was me saying you should go. Try re-reading, I explained what the documents say and if you didn't agree with them maybe you should decide if you want to stay. If you are such a Constitutionalist maybe you should think before speaking.

[freesk8]

@xtaxplayer You wrote: "Notice not the belief in no God."

So are you saying that I have no right NOT to believe in God?

If not, do you propose making a federal or state law making atheism a crime punishable by fines or prison? Or do you propose deportation?

[xtaxplayer]

@freesk8 I not proposing anything, Do you not read your laws? Look at your State and Federal Constitutions. Laws about believing in any God, study English much any God is a positive (referring) to a God not to a believe in no God. Seriously, your belief doesn't matter to me (as it should be), but since you keep misquoting the Declaration and the Constitution, I felt you should know what the State and federal law actually say. I could be wrong on your State (not knowing which) but most have it.

[xtaxplayer]

@freesk8 Will these articles of record, from history, uncover your eye's? I would think at this point it hard to prove them to be Deists by their own words and actions.

I request now that you take the time to be enlightened with the history of our great experiment, read history, think it through and learn the truth. Do not believe what false prophets are saying to trick you. Your will seems strong, use it to be an individual of thought and reason.

[freesk8]

@xtaxplayer Right back at-cha, old timer.

[xtaxplayer]

@freesk8 Right back at me?? You proved my end of our argument. I thank you for that. When will you see your error is the only remaining step in this discussion "young one".

[freesk8]

@xtaxplayer I showed they were not Christians; they were Deists. They were very mistrustful of the power of organized religion, since they had seen all the mischief that churches had done in Europe. I never said they didn't believe in God, only that they believed in an impersonal "deists'" God.

You must not be reading my posts very carefully, my old friend.

[xtaxplayer]

@freesk8 You must be mistaken. I never said they were Christians, but that they knew and understood God you, exclaimed that God had nothing to do with the founders and framing of this country. You're incorrect, they believed in God, over 50 of the signers were minister's or had Theological degrees. You keep expressing that "you" believe this or that. To believe is to have faith. I know they believed in God. I know they put their trust in God. How, by their writing's and document's. Not my belief

[freesk8]

@xtaxplayer And if you read carefully, I never said that the founders did not believe in God. I've been calling three of them deists, (Jefferson, Franklin and Paine) and all deists believe in a God.

I have also said that when you give some of the credit for the success of the revolution to God, you are taking some of the credit AWAY from the founders who risked their lives for our freedom.

So far you have provided no evidence that any of these claims are not true.

[xtaxplayer]

@freesk8 You exclaimed that faith had nothing to do with their resolve? I guessing, which normally would not do, based on your name that you skate and being a hockey coach I'm going to assume you are a speed skater (free skate). Have you ever been tried during training or in a competition and you willed yourself to go on having faith you would be successful? Of course you have, if you are an athlete. That same use of faith is what kept the soldiers at Valley Forge and to press against Britain.

[freesk8]

@xtaxplayer I never said their faith had nothing to do with their resolve.

I made two points (J,F and P were deists, not Christians and your giving credit to God takes credit from founders.)

You are now trying to change the subject to avoid the fact that you have failed to disprove my points.

I have faith in many things (my friends, my own abilities, my skating equipment...) and these things DO help me in competition. So I do understand the value of faith. But not in God.

[xtaxplayer]

@freesk8 Having faith adds to your ability, it does not take away from your ability as shown above. For you to dismiss their belief's shows you to be wrong in your knowledge of faith. Let me explain an important fact of Natural Law, (law derived from God), you have the right to believe whatever you want. But, you do not have the right to tell others what to believe. You chose not to believe in the one that created life, that is for you to chose. The Founders chose to believe in their creator.

[freesk8]

@xtaxplayer Faith is useful, but only if it is faith in what is real. If God is not real, then your faith in that will probably wind up hurting you. I have faith in myself, my family and friends, reason, love, science, etc. But you have a right to have faith in imaginary things. I just hope you don't hurt yourself or others as a result.

Natural law comes from the self-evident assumption of self ownership. It also comes from logic and the facts of human existence. It doesn't come from God.

[xtaxplayer]

@freesk8 God is not real? Ok prove God didn't create life. Prove mathematically or scientifically how life was created, or how the universe was created. Since you believe in reality prove it.

I have the Bible to prove God exists. He was written about at the time of his work. Jesus was written about in the time of Hebron, he must be real if he lived. Or are you saying the word of hundreds of people in history, during the time it happened are all false and you, you who live now are correct.

[freesk8]

@xtaxplayer You are the one who proposes the hypothesis that God exists. The burden of proof is on you. One can not prove a negative anyway. It's like asking me to prove that there is no planet in the universe composed of solid gold. No one could ever do that. But if I propose that there IS one, then I have to prove it.

I think Jesus probably existed, and I agree with a lot of his philosophy. But I disagree with the idea that he is divine, did miracles, or was resurrected.

Prove those!

[xtaxplayer]

@freesk8 The Bible proves it. The history of God's work is written for all to see. It was written before and after the coming of his Son, Jesus Christ. Now that I have brought forth the proof by using history, just as the founders belief in God is written in their time for all to see, so is the Lords work. Peace be with you.

[freesk8]

@xtaxplayer The Bible is a book. It contains wonderful things, and like every other book, it also has errors. I could show you another book that says God does not exist. But this would also fail to prove my case. Just because someone has written it in a book, that does not prove it to be true. "Of making many books there is no end..." Ecc 12:12.

So you have failed to make your proof.

Your argument is circular: This book is perfect, it says God exists. God says the book is perfect...

[xtaxplayer]

@freesk8 The history of America, a book, states American's are free and equal, is that true? History is history, if you do not believe that is your right. To say history is wrong without proof show's lack of knowledge. Sadly you are in this group. Someday you may be enlightened until then you keep your belief and I mine. I will not fight with the uneducated on this subject. If you choose to discuss this with me further, read the Bible, study history and we will talk. May God bless your soul.

[freesk8]

@xtaxplayer Natural law says that all human beings are born free, and with the rights to life, liberty and property. I agree with this. But our government, which used to be and should have been the greatest defender of these natural rights, has become the greatest threat to those rights. Our rights are equal, but our situations and our abilities and our wealth will never be equal, and efforts to make them equal by socialists are evil and misguided. I wish you well, too.

[xtaxplayer]

@freesk8 Nice, but natural law does not give you the right to own property. That is the Declaration of Independence Our rights are equal, ability is only limited by ones self. I agree that socialist/progressive views to equal wealth by force are evil and misguided. My fear is that the system of education in the United States has been teaching social values for so long that those taught these values are in the belief that social values are true. I wish you well, and I've enjoyed our conversation.

[freesk8]

@xtaxplayer No, the D of I does not GIVE us any rights. Neither does the US Const. Rights exist BEFORE govts come in to existence. Good govts defend rights, bad ones violate them.

Socialists have indeed taken over education, but the problem is with fiscal and individualism issues, not social issues. The US is not in decline because of gay marriage. It is in decline due to overspending, over-regulation, and creeping collectivism. You are right that this is promoted in the govt schools.

[xtaxplayer]

@freesk8 Actually the Declaration of Independence doesn't even mention laws, but freedoms and rights taken away. The U.S. Constitution doesn't give rights either, but guarantee's them in writing. The public school system really doesn't teach much does it.

[RaySquirrel]

A surprisingly non-partisan and casual coverage by Bureaucrash.

[ricadrew]

Why did so many people still get it wrong and attend with an agenda? Beck was clear, it was about restoring honor in each of us individualy and putiing this nation in Gods hands by putting ourselves in Gods hands. And reminding everyone that we all have individual rights that come from him!

People can't stop being totaly political for even just one day!

[xtaxplayer]

@ricadrew True Godly change takes time, while Radical change is forcefully quick and not for the good of the people or economy.

Have faith, keeps pressing on in good spirit and all will be free once again.

[bureaucrash]

@ricadrew The vast, vast majority of the people weren't being actively political. I looked for the ones that were.

[averagejoe040]

Obama's economic plan is totally misguided. His guiding light seems to be "White man's greed drives a world in need". It seems clear that Keynesian policies are ineffective, given the American experience in the 1930s and the Japanese lost decade of the 1990s. Obama and his advisors are aware of these facts. There can only be one of two reasons they continue. 1. They are more stupid and arrogant than we can imagine. 2. They are intentionally malicious (Possibly Cloward & Piven driven)

[RaySquirrel]

@averagejoe040 can you say false dichotomy? The way I see it there is only one thing that will improve the economy, ENERGY! A new energy economy! Obama knows that which is why he appointed Nobel Prize winning physicist Dr. Steven Chu as head of the Department of Energy.

[averagejoe040]

@RaySquirrel Good Point. Energy is important. Is it Nobel Prize winner Steven Chu that wants to pass Cap & Trade? This is another Obama stupidity that will stifle economic activity by raising everyone's cost of doing business. Once again you must wonder - Is Obama stupid? or malicious? Hard to tell.

[RaySquirrel]

@averagejoe040 You need to remove yourself from these simple dichotomies. One of the strongest advantages that a species has is the ability to delay gratification. In the 80s oil was cheap and that was good for the economy. Nobody had any incentive to find alternatives to oil until '07 when oil hit $100 a barrel, which was bad for the economy. A carbon tax may be bad for the economy now, but if it incentives people to find alternatives to oil it will be good in the future.(watch?v=gFuw9SY0GpI)

[averagejoe040]

@RaySquirrel Look, I completely understand the idea of incentivizing energy alternatives so that we can move ahead technologically. What you need to understand is that a carbon tax is NOT an incentive. It is a penalty and a destructive one. If you want to give breaks for electric cars or solar powered homes - now that is an incentive and it will not cost anybody their job.

If we are going to mandate new science why not make it mandatory to create practical fusion power this week? It's absurd.

[xtaxplayer]

@RaySquirrel Really?? To improve the economy, you must tax the economy and give a large percentage of the taxes to the United Nations? Do you understand economics at all?

[RaySquirrel]

@xtaxplayer Are your retarded? Where the did I ever say that to improve the economy you have to give money to the UN? Where? Point out the quote? Are you stupid? I see a lot of your comments. A lot of mentions of God. You are stupid!

[averagejoe040]

@RaySquirrel I don't believe all dichotomies are false. If a man consistently pursues destructive behaviors(ala Hussein) there are a limited number of explanations. NO? Is he doing it because he is a genius? Don't think so. Is he doing it because Islamics have kidnapped his kids and dictating his behavior? Likely not. This leaves us with only a few choices. Is he some kind of mental defective (there can be a wide range of derangements) or is he purposefully destructive? Simplified thru logic.

[theshaggyshow]

LOOK--there's a Black man !!! this Proves the tea parties are racist !!! HAHAHAHAHAHA... u dumb gullible liberals