Its ridiculous to propose that Muhammad [as] slept with a corpse, when the bride of Abi Talib would be looked as his mother in the relationship that he had with his uncle. This is the same Muhammad [as] who brought the whole of Arabia out of the abject darkness so much so that the children of Israel who hate them then and even now became jealous. I am sure you people will find every way till Friday to bring paganism to Islam and continue in maligning Muhammad [as].
Sam what name did the children of Israel call their god the golden calf, considering that they already through Prophet Moses [as] that Yahweh is the name of their God? I think the pastor partner will agree that the golden calf at that time represented the one they worshiped and up to King Solomon [as], who the bible even accused of idolatry. It does not make any sense that at the end Muhammad [as] destroyed all idols, if you accused him of Idolatry, while you make Jesus and Ghost and Yahweh gods
people don't listen to this ignorant guys they don't know nothing , please don't be like them find out for your self , did you know that almost 2 % of the world convert to islam thats just last year, and those guys don't want you to know , have you asked yourself why are they only attacking islam? find out for yourself or dial the 800 number and make a donation !!! if jesus is here now would he allow this ?
I am sorry but these are real callers and everything that these guys are saying is true they have studied for many years and have found through scholars the truth. Have you studied the bible or the Quarn in full. If not you can not talk. Jesus is Lord that it!
No my dear God is far from fiction He is more real than your own life! He has come to so many people and changed their lives for the better. Satan is blinding your eyes and doesn't want you to know the truth. Jesus is coming back I hope that you will be ready. Don't say that us Christians didn't warn you.
BIBLE: “And Peter opened his mouth and said: ‘Truly I perceive that God shows no partiality, but in every nation any one who fears him and does what is right is acceptable to him.’” Acts 10:34,35
I'm Christian all my life and lived in the Middle East for 35 years and don't respect those who make fun of any religion and not only Islam. At the same time I don't respect Muslims who believe that all non Muslims will end up in hell. It is not a civilized behavior to use the media and the web to criticize any religion. I suggest a constructive dialogue between all religions rather than using this destructive criticism.
What a bunch of lies. These are all false baseless assumptions that have been proven to be just what they are: RUBBISH. And these idiots continue to parade on with these lies as the Muslims already challenged them and silenced them.
yes we should all ignore Jesus' brother James and the early writings to follow the gospels written by unknown authors, the earliest surving copies being copies of copies of copies of copies with hundreds of variations between the earliest surviving copies. Righty ho!
As they do to the best of christian scholars...if you can call them scholars in the first place. The real reason they make these videos is simple, whats the first thing they ask for?..DONATIONS!!...MONEY!!!!!
Thats what christianity has always been about....MONEY!...Thats why christianity is over & Islam is replacing it, the truth always prevails.
this is getting desperate on the christian side, getting into complex conversations full of lies & made up "facts" which the vast majority of christian viewers, who are totally ignorant of their own faith & swallow everything their told whole, Its funny how they do this on their own private media knowing full well an Islamic scholar or even a qualified historian would annihilate them in public debate.
My goodness. The list of atrocities Muhammed committed never seems to stop growing. I thought I already knew every crime he had committed such as being a pedaphile, murderer, rapist, thief, warrior and liar. Now there is yet one more thing to add to his list. Sex with a dead woman. Whats it called when you have sex with a corpse? Other than being one sick dude. Whats the official word?
ABN you guys rock wow what a great minisry amazing how many people dont see the truth you speak. I hope to support your ministry what a great thing for God you are doing prasie God for you
There were more than 80 Gospels for the Christians, and only 4 were accepted Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John, the rest were thrown behind their backs. Muslims believe in one book called INJIL and was authentic because it was written in Jesus presence, 60- 80 Years later, they WRITTEN A NEW BIBLE in a NEW Language, New Bible written 60 to 80 years after Jesus was FORGED
There was no "injeel" written WHILE Jesus was alive!
Jesus gave His followers the task to spread the Gospel,- wich they did!
Even the Quran aknowledges the Injeel.
You talk about several Gospels, but the reason why the 4 Gospels were chosen was because they were written by diciples/apostles and those close accosiated with them.
That was a CRITERIA,- and the teaching's would also have to be in kine with the teachings of the first church.
thats not truth, they got rid of Jesus, then they finished his diciples and all followers, a man named Saul who was an agent of the Roman State was responsible for the masacre, later he was made to change his Religion, changed his name to Paul, then written the Bible in Greek which was the language of the Romans, not the language of Jesus, then Paul migrated to Rome.
What you are saying here is absolutely WRONG and a lie, and even your own scholars will argue with those statements!
What you say here doesn't even match the muslim point of view!:-)the Gospels were used by the first cgurch, and this we can know for sure because we have records from several ancient documents confirming this.
Even the Quran talks about the Injeel, and the Gospel of John is mentioned in one of your Hadith's!
@sultan786able Jesus resurrected from the dead. The disciples died for teaching about Jesus except for John who was exiled to the island of Pat mos He was the only one of the twelve to die of old age. Saul was changed after the encounter on the Damascus road. He chose to follow Jesus. And Jesus told Him that He needed to go to Rome to witness about Jesus because the people needed to know. The pharisees , (Saul used to be a pharisee) were furious that He was spreading the gospel about Jesus.
@sultan786able Paul (Saul ) was also a roman citizen so he appealed to be seen by emperor Nero.Nero sentenced Paul to death by beheading. Paul had already witnessed to Nero and was a mighty champion of the gospel.
@sultan786able The reasons why Christians reject other gospels is because they came hundreds of years after the gospels were written the gospel is written 1/2 century of Jesus but the other gospels are written 3/4 century and can not be trusted Christians have a way that we test what is from God can can be trusted and what can not be trusted which is called the canon. Christians have our manuscripts to prove our Bible is the same can you provide evidence for your claim the Bible is corrupted
@Jerseygirl8999 thats true, bt i was doing some research the other day and i date at least luke in the mid ad 50's, so if u go to acts where pual is having his vision, this account was written before 64 for then there is one where he was in court, and this must have been around 60-2 cause he was in prison and died in 64 as i sed, and in the beginning of the act is say luke had already written luke before this, so lmid to late f50's would be a good date for luke
"And the book is delivered to him that is not learned, saying, Read this, I pray thee: and he saith, I am not learned " (Isaiah 29:12) God says in the Holy Quran: "Those who follow the messenger, the Prophet who can neither read nor write, whom they will find described in the Torah and the Gospel (which are) with them" (Quran: 7 - 157)
This guy claims that he "lapsed into idolatry" by claiming God had daughters? This from the religion that claim God has a son? Lol. Sam lapses into idolatry within thirty seconds of falsely accusing Muhammad (saws)!
First these gentlemen are taking calls from serious muslims, and they call because they respect these gentlemen even though they might diagree. If you go back and listen to what he said. He didnt say what you said he said. Specifically how he said it. He made clear that muhammed said there are other gods.
The thing is, Muhammad (saws) never said those things. That was a made up story that people tr to use to make Muhammad (saws) look bad, but anyone with any sense can realize that the claims are totally false. I think you missed my point. I was pointing out the hypocrisy, that this guy considers attributing daughters to God a form of idolatry, but will not admit that attributing a son to God is just as idolatrous.
ok, I always hear muslims say, how could God have a son, so ok my question sir, could it be possible that muslims are not understandin why Jesus is called son?
So you are saying that Jesus (as) was not the literal son of God, right? That it was used as a term of respect and not an actual physical relationship? Well, I agree. In the Bible, Jacob, Ephraim, David, and Solomon (as) were all described as son of God, and it was understood that they were prophets of God, human beings, whom God had chosen. This is also the case with Jesus Christ (as).
@dawahaddict i think what my brother is trying to explain, is that Jesus is called the son which simply refers to his divine status, he is eternal in the same respect as the father, and they are the same essnce as God, for God shows himself through 3 person the father, the son n the spirit, Jesus is the word of God
@followerofjesus1984 See, that couldn't be correct because God is One not Three. Jesus (as) taught that God is One and that he was God's servant and prophet. The concept of Jesus (as) being divine or part of a trinity was an innovation. It is not true to the religion of God.
@dawahaddict now this is wrong, e taught he was God the son, all way through, of course God is one in being bt tree in person and this has beenrevealed in the scriptures, Jesus being devine was in the very beginning and is the truth, Jesus taught it, the as did the disciple as does the church 's today, he was not God's serven but Gods son, he died for the sin of the world, to deny him is to deny the father, to accept him is to accept the father, Jesus never taught he was a servent
@dawahaddict and the the book of acts is written in a historical veiw, i feel u don't believe that he was Crucified either which 3 :13, 14, 16, 17 all go into so, u can use this text but before using look at the text to its support ur whole veiw,
acts 4 : 27 talks about how everything in Jesus mission was planned before hand, how he was to die detail by detail,so even book of acts refutes ur major position and ur minor cause luke only used servent to represent a historical preface,
@followerofjesus1984 From one follower of Jesus (as) to another, I have a challenge for you. If you trust in God and have faith that He will guide you, then I'm sure you will be willing to accept it. I am declaring that the Qur'an is the word of God. Go get a free Qur'an, you can get them sent to you from sites online, read it, and decide if you think it is the word of God.
@dawahaddict i have one and no its not the word of God but the word of man, and no u dont believe in Jesus if you did u would not deny his sacrifice, and him as the son of God as the bible tells us, and that he rose from the grave, yo think u do but if you did follow him u would not deny this fundamental truth, and the sacrifr ( crucifixion) is historically true, the bible is also historically correct, and the non biblical evedence is supportive,
@followerofjesus1984 I don't pray to Jesus (as). I don't worship Jesus (as). I worship and pray to the same God that Jesus (as) worshipped and prayed to.
If you read your Bible, you know that Jesus (as) prayed to God. So, I pray to God. He didn't teach or believe in a trinity. He just believed in God, or in Aramaic, Alaha.
You they say WWJD, What Would Jesus (as) Do? Well, apparently Jesus (as) would pray to God alone with no partners. So why pray to Jesus (as)? He didn't. God is Echad.
@dawahaddict f ourse h prayed to his fathe, as a son, and i pray to both, and its acceted, oh u say he didnt teachon te trinity, not y name by its person, he saihe is the son of God in almost every plcae, like John 5 :19 - 30, john 10 :22 -47 and in john 17 e asks the father glorify him like he shared from the beginning before creation ---- the second member
@dawahaddict the holy spirit --- the spirit of truth in john 14: 15-26, john 16 :1 - 15, and acts 1 : 4-8, acts 2 :1 - 13 and the spirit is the third member, the first is the father, who is mentioned throughout the new testament, which also cls Jesus the origantor of life , in john 1 :1-4, 1 corinthians 8 :6-7
@dawahaddict how do u know jesus never taught he was one the members if u never read the new testament thoroughly as i can tell, jesus taught us he was the son of God and one of the member of the triune God head
@followerofjesus1984 Because he was a Muslim, and Muslims don't believe in Trinity. We believe in One God. Shma Yisrael, YHWH Eloheinu, YHWH Echad. Qul huwa Allahu Ahad.
@dawahaddict and dont put the divine name of yahweh into the context of arabic, there not the same , yahweh is the one true God and is also jesus (yesha +God saves) God is a triune God 1 being and three persons, the father , the son and the holy spirit
@dawahaddict sorry, i just realised, its the hebrew shmoal
but even this has a in depth veiw, of the time it came out it was response to people sinning on idol worship, then it has another mean, when its says one, one what, well i means one salvation, and being, and how can one person of God show love before he created us, love has an object to show it through, so in this sence it shows he is one in bieng but not person
@followerofjesus1984 Nope. Just one. Don't make excuses for breaking the first commandment. God is One. Not buts. No exceptions. God is One. He's been sending every prophet saying the same thing. One. Not three. One.
I don't know how else to say it. I just want to call you to worship God alone with no partners. I've made it my mission in life to call as many people as I can to worship God alone on His terms. Just try praying to JUST GOD. Sincerely ask for guidance. Please.
@dawahaddict look, we dont break anything, if anything muhammad broke them all, and this is fine with you, God has reealed himself in 3 persons, even abraham in genesis 18, he has a so, not i the sence that i am to my father, but an eternal son, jesus is eternal and was there from the beginning, and everything was made through him
is muhammad so big to say what God and cannot have, or what he can do, and are u foolish to follow him and not read the words of God
@followerofjesus1984 Lol Muhammad (saws) didn't break any of God's commandments. Neither did Jesus (as). They both worshipped God alone with no partners.
God never revealed himself in three persons. That doesn't make any sense. In Genesis 18, angels come to Abraham (as), not God. Abraham (as) was a prophet, remember? God communicates with prophets through the Angel Gabriel. So Gabriel and two other angels visited him. Not three Gods.
@dawahaddict i want u to realise that Jesus died for your sin and ur denying him this very thing, which is true in scripture of the bible which is back by history and archeology
@followerofjesus1984 According to who? Paul? Jesus (as) didn't die for our sins. That would be injustice on the part of God, and God is Just. Imagine if we did that in court! Ten men attack a young boy and beat him nearly to death. They go on trial, are found guilty, but instead of punishing them, the Judge has the boy tortured and executed, and the ten men go free. Is that justice? Absolutely not. In the same way, it is not justice for Jesus (as) to die for our sins.
@dawahaddict it has two way meaning , peace and submission, even this submission has a negitive n positive side, negitive is that he wants u submit and love him first, which is not the way it should be , my God loved us first and sent his son as a love sacrifice
positive, is that u a devout which even i admire as i am devout Cristian but we know the truth of the matter, u have no reassurance of salvation as u have to work for it, and even then its no garantee, and ours is cause its love based
@dawahaddict well now aint this a little bit wrong, who said he cant have a son, or be more than 1 in person of the God head, you, or muhammad, no one can say that god can be something or do something, i wont judge him, and i do love him because he has revealed Christ is the truth to me
"They say, "Allah has taken a son." Exalted is He! Rather, to Him belongs whatever is in the heavens and the earth. All are devoutly obedient to Him."
Jesus was the word of God made flesh. In the bible God says his word is faithfull and never fails. That is why Jesus is sinless and call the Lamb of God, a perfect sacrifice. Because of His obedience God has chosen to give Him all things as the bible says, This is the reason He calls Him son, because God will pass Jesus His kingdom as Father would a son. Father=source, son=reciever. Read Jesus' words and you will see.
@dawahaddict 1 what do u mean ...... is he the son of God as the old testament says well this is by faith and trust in God , Jesus is the eternal son as the new testament affirms
@dawahaddict not a good question at all he has 1eternal so, Christ, who everything was made through, and he has many sons and daughters through their faith in Christ, and this what makes them spiritual Children
when we say Jesus is the son, we do not mean in the physical sense but in the fact that his divine nature comes from God and is of God,
@followerofjesus1984 So can you just answer the question? How many sons does God have?
I ask because the Bible calls David (as), Jacob (as),and Ephraim (as) sons of God. So if there are four sons of God (at least) plus the Father and the Ghost, that would be six, right? So why do you say three persons and not six?
@followerofjesus1984 like in the case abel, who was counted righteous in God sight and this made him a Child / son of God, its not that he was a son like jesus, but cause his faith in God like every man afer that was made right in the lord sight,
Jesus is he uniques son who is eternal and pre existed all things, all thing were made through him
@followerofjesus1984 Jesus (as) existed before Abraham (as) and so did everyone else. God gathered all the descendants of Adam (as) before they were born and we all testified that God alone is the Lord. This quality is not unique to Jesus (as). Jesus (as) was a messenger of God. Just look back at your own book. This is how God works. This is His formula. The Christian understanding was influenced by outside ideas (Greek philosophy, European Paganism, etc). The true religion is worship God alone!
@dawahaddict this is illogical and very misinformed, cause no one existed before they were born, but God knew us, Jesus how ever did exist as he is the eterna son --- no influence from outside , its God word and the truth
@followerofjesus1984 So, just like elsewhere in the Bible, Jesus (as) is not the literal son of God. Understand it in context. He is the messenger of God. Don't worship him, worship the One Who sent him. God does not have kids. He's God. He's not a human. He's God. God doesn't get married, have kids, work 9-5, save for retirement. He's God! God is free from what you associate with Him.
@dawahaddict oh dear, u do not have a clue, he is the 2nd person of the God head, he is eternal and existed before everything, which was created through him
this is the satan lies, he is God's eternal son as the bible is clear, ur being misled -- as for God not havng kids, how rediculous, i never said he did, and no christian would say this, he is God the son cause his divine nature comes from God,
@dawahaddict and i have not associated anything with him, just i believe he has a son, an eternal son who was with the father in the biginning. as the new testament approves this, so ur all cant have a son yet he has 3 or 4 daughters, in surah 53 : 19-22, and his has no girlfriend but has a wife, or the quran has a mother this is illogical as we dont believe he had sex to produce a son, the son is eternal and existed even bfore coming in the faorm of man
@followerofjesus1984 Ok first of all Allah doesn't have any daughters or wives that's not real lol. How do you think a son is made? You get a son by having sex with your wife. So if you say God is the Father it means you say God had sex with Mary (may Allah forgive me for saying it). This is NOT TRUE! Allah has power over all things, and He willed that Mary become pregnant with Jesus (as) and she became pregnant.
All this stuff about Jesus (as) being eternal is made up.
@dawahaddict not real go and read surah 53: 19 - 22 for daughters, and the quran has a mother of the book too,
no i never said such a thing, that the quran misconception on hat we believe, he is the eternal son, who existed before even mary, that why he is the son of God, nothing to do with sex, he is eternal
@dawahaddict no ur lot, cause when i say person i meana spiriul person addont saywhat Godn nd can not do, we humans have no right if he says he isone n bi , but more thn one n another sence, then its his own right and we cannot judge, but just trust in him, and no one not even muhammad can't say other wise
@dawahaddict i see ur oing all hinduon me well this is not our belief either, as it 3 forms tha this, and we believe in one God who is one in spirit but 3 in persons
and nothing in indu even come close
there is 3 main gods, our is one God, and theres forms and not spiritual persons, plus there would come under tri theism
and there's depicted as one body , 3 heads and our is not , so nothing a like
@followerofjesus1984 No actually they will tell you that they are just three parts of the One True God. In fact, they will say that all of the many lesser gods also are just Manifestations of the One God. So how is that different? It's not. Whether it's Hinduism or Christianity, in both cases you are trying to make an excuse for idolatry. There is no excuse. Worship God alone no exceptions.
@dawahaddict and this is not what we believe, so stop attaking a straw man, cause that is the weaket tig one cn do, we dont believe in 3 God as they do, we believe in God in three person, they elieve in 3 Gods in one GOD--- nothingalike go and study moe case every brought as een fted and ur not gonna admit i thats okay mate, christiany ad hindus elieve totally differen things, there is no commonalit
@followerofjesus1984 commonality --- i do worship the oe true God yahweh as he made self known by more than 4000 times in the old testament,
the one true God exists as 3 divine persons, he revealed this more than anything to us so i believe in the true God of the prophets, who is yeshua/ yahwah
@dawahaddict where do u get this from, the verse in context refutes you, cause just said father, and ur allah is apparently a father to no one, so it his father yahweh whom jesus is praying to , not his creator stop adding to thecontext, and let it read, causeJesus is the creator, everything is created through him, in john 1 : 4, 1 corintians 8 : 6-7, hebrews 1 , and colossians 1 : 1- 20
so Jesus is the eternal son, and even i the quran he is the creator he breathed life into a bird
@dawahaddict still he gave life with allah permission or withut, permission, alla is not Godjust a figment of muhammads imagination, look i was making a point of saying he breathe life into a clay bird, and this is the point u have totally missed, ause this is what we beiieve Jesus and the father are a total union wit one another, as john 5 : 19 - 30 demnstrate, we dont believe he is another God or deity of own, and the angels do worship him read the book of hebrews and revalation
@followerofjesus1984 But that's totally foolish. I'm not missing anything. Jesus (as) breathed life into a clay bird by God's leave. He healed the blind and the lepers, and even raised a man from death by God's leave. He could not do any miracle without God's permission (check your Bible). Countless prophets before him performed miracles by God's leave, some even raised the dead (again, check your Bible), but you don't deify them. Only Jesus Christ (as) you say is God, even though he fits the...
...description perfectly of the prophets who came before him. It's very clear to see how God communicated with mankind. He sends prophets and messengers. He has always done this (again, check your Bible). He has made His religion clear. Forgiveness comes through repentance and God's mercy. No need to kill anyone to be forgiven. Jesus (as) was a prophet like those before him, and he says as much (again, check your Bible).
@dawahaddict i know what he done through the prophets, and this prophets prophecied the coming of the messiah, the son of God, so im not in error, the prophet are are an important part of God work, but even they recognise they only small part, cause they had make offering for the sin, and this was not a perfect thing, only in Jesus we find perfection so we see that ts impossible to evaluate it in any other way
@followerofjesus1984 Bro, why are you holding on to this when you know it is false and sinful? Ask God to forgive your sins and start worshipping Him alone with no partners!
You already proved it to yourself. It doesn't say so of God. It's either Mighty God and Everlasting Father OR Messenger of great counsel. You already said that Jesus (as) IS NOT the Father, so that means you have to throw out that whole verse as being wrong, and accept Jesus (as) is the MESSENGER! Read it and accept it!
@dawahaddict look the message is the same just souse there erient reading doesnt effect them the counsel is in all of them,
jesus is the eternal father meaning he gives eternal life u need to do ur home work more to find our what these things mean, its doent mean he is the father when he is the son
i read them all and they are the same message despite key veriants, and the dea sea scrolls cnfirms today thank u
@followerofjesus1984 Stop making silly excuses. God has made the truth very clear from the falsehood. Worship God alone, not His messenger Jesus (as). You know deep down that telling me that, "jesus is the eternal father meaning he gives eternal life... its doent mean he is the father when he is the son" is just an excuse for yourself.
Bottom line: You said that Jesus (as) is NOT YAHWEH. Yahweh says that you CANNOT take others in worship with Him. Listen to God and follow His commandment #1!
@dawahaddict still ur missing the point, we believe that he done things through the permission of yahweh, but does permission mean u can't still do things,
so my point has not been refuted but u have actually made my point , cause no Christian believes Jesus does things by his own will, but by the will of the father,
@followerofjesus1984 so here is the problem, muslim have the wrong veiw of Christians, most of the muslims think we believe he came to do what he wants, as John 5 : 19 - 30demonstrates, Jesus is a complete unity with the father
@followerofjesus1984 when we know jesus came to lay down his life for the sin of man, and this is the father's will, if u look upon the the old testament prophecies, and the new testament as a whole rather than cutting it up and and misuseing it
@followerofjesus1984 That makes no sense. Why would Jesus (as) have to die for everyone else's sins? It doesn't add up. We already know about forgiveness of sins. You repent sincerely to God and out of His mercy He forgives. No need for human sacrifice. God taught us that with the example of Abraham (as). The true God does not need a human sacrifice, just sincere repentance.
@dawahaddict it makes perfect sence , God prodicted it through the prophets in the history, and God the son becoming flesh to die for the sin of man, this is a fulfillment of many prophecies and of the old testament sacrifices, which were never perect, like man is not perfect, but Jesus was born perfect and this the reason for the miracle bith, and he is the named as the lamb of God which refers to the sacrifice of a lamb
@dawahaddict our own try are like dirty rags, so even if u repent on ur own accord's its not enough u need to come to Christ and thisis what the father declared
ur still not looking the whole picture, just a fractured part, the reason for jesus coming to lay his life down, is cause as man he had no sin, and no imperfections, and the human side died, but he as the God the son he was alive, its not human sacrifice,
@followerofjesus1984 I'm sure you know the verse Mark 6:5 when Jesus (as) couldn't do miracles. So he can only do it if God allows. You probably also remember John 14:28 which has Jesus (as) saying that God is greater than him.
So if you already know that Jesus (as) does not do things by his own will, but submits to God's will, then why do you still say that Jesus (as) is God?
1 --- Jesus could not do miracles --- mark 6 - 5, read the whole context, its not that he couldnt do it, its that he refused to do cause of the unbelief of home town
2 ---- the father is great than I , read the context ------ he says he must go away and return to the father, , the reason for the father being greater than he is, is that whilest he is the form of a man, he considers himself less and one he return he will regain his fully divine place of honour
@dawahaddict as God he is the same as the father, but as a man he is less, so there for he does the will of the father, and this doesnt refute my position
@dawahaddict because he is the reason we are here, through him all things are made, and he deserves it, and is worth of it, man, women, angel all worship him
@followerofjesus1984 Woah angels don't worship Jesus (as)! They actually can't worship Jesus (as). They have no free will. They can only worship the One God, and I know you have your trinity belief, so to you're understanding, I'm not talking about the "son" (who I call Jesus (as)) or "Holy Spirit" (who I call Archangel Gabriel), but just the One who you call the "father" (God Almighty).
@dawahaddict look mate, i am trying to show u through the love of Christ Jesus, the one who died for all our sins, that he is divine and is worshipped by man , women and angels as the son of God, and the great I am
@dawahaddict yesall prophet worship him in heaven and know him more than you do,right now, every man will bow down to him, even muhammad did before he was banished for misrepresenting my lrd, and mislead many generation through his decepion
@followerofjesus1984 I don't understand the difference. It sounds exactly the same. Can you explain the difference to me? So wait, do you believe God is One in Three or Three in One?
@dawahaddict lets put this to rest, we believe one God who has revealed himslf as 3 preson, this is mono - theism, what hindus although it seem the same on the suface, is not once u explore it, they believe in one main God as we do, but that is all thats the same, cause they believe in other Gods as well, and this is seen in there verson of God , cause its Gods in God, or 3 beings in one being ours is not
@followerofjesus1984 Hindus believe in One God, but they believe that the One God has many forms, manifestations, persons, whatever you want to call it. Brahma, Vishnu, and Shiva are the three main ones, and there are plenty more after that.
So why do you think this is any different than your idea of Trinity? You also say there is One God, but you believe that the One God has three forms or persons.
So are you saying that Hinduism is Monotheist? Many Hindus make that claim.
@dawahaddict yes they believe in God but they believe in other Gods, we believe one God, not other Gods or gods, but our God has come in form three person, these are divine spritual persona, not seperate Gods but seprate n distinct person who are work as one force of God
im not saying anything to there beliefs as im not judging anyone, ours is monothiest veiw, and there is two veiws
@followerofjesus1984 Well many Hindus claim to be monotheists, and they make the same argument that you're making. Obviously I disagree with the argument no matter who makes it, but I'm saying for Christianity you're ok with it but not for Hinduism. Let's put it this way. How would you feel if another religion said they also believed that God is One with Three Persons, just like you do, but they said they believed in those persons being: God the Creator, The Divine Light, and Linda the Daughter?
@dawahaddict the are monothiest but there also tri - theists, and please dont compare our veiw of God with there for is no real connection, we believe in one God, who has come in the form of 3 spiritual persons, not real persons, although one of the persons took on flesh, hey belive in one big God but cause therer bliefs they believe other gods
@followerofjesus1984 Ok so since you won't recognize the Hindu claims to monotheism, I gave you another example. What if another religion claimed that there was a trinity? Would you say that they were monotheist? One God in three persons: God the Creator, The Divine Light, and Linda the Daughter. They also believe that God came down in human form as a woman named Linda, who they say is God's daughter. What do you think?
@dawahaddict come away from other religion, if they do then its not effecting me cause there will always be a different prespective in the way it represent as it is in the hindus, and ours is unique to our faith, and is fitting to him as there is noting like in the world even the so called one u put forth,
well there is no daughter in our so it not the same
@followerofjesus1984 So God can have a son but not a daughter? How many sons can He have?
You must know the truth deep down. It's not like I'm calling you to atheism. I'm telling you that you are all wrong. I'm calling you to correct your understanding of what would otherwise be the correct way of life mandated by God.
Don't let what Constantine did corrupt your faith.
@dawahaddict ur mis informed, when we say son of God, we dont mean a physical son as in through sexual mean, so he isnot a bilogical, but the term son of God means his eternal narute pre existed, and was there even before he become a man
u get this idea from the quran where it how can i have a son when i dont have a consort, this is misrepresentation of our believe
@followerofjesus1984 Whatever bro. I know what a son is. If God is not the biological Father of Jesus (as) according to believe, then why don't you say that Jesus (as) is only God's son metaphorically speaking, not literally. I'm not the one making this stuff up. Maybe I didn't ask you, and if so my bad, but I've asked other Christians if they believe it is literal or metaphor, and they say literal. The literal meaning of son is clear.
@dawahaddict u know what a son is in bilogical sence , but this not the same, cause he is the eternal, the same nature as the father, its not a biological thing, rather an eternal situation,
ur missing the point, he is the eternal son, he pre - existed all created things, as they were created through him and for him,
ur asking the wrong question, literal means God would had sex with mary which is idiotic,
Its ridiculous to propose that Muhammad [as] slept with a corpse, when the bride of Abi Talib would be looked as his mother in the relationship that he had with his uncle. This is the same Muhammad [as] who brought the whole of Arabia out of the abject darkness so much so that the children of Israel who hate them then and even now became jealous. I am sure you people will find every way till Friday to bring paganism to Islam and continue in maligning Muhammad [as].
lionabbass 3 months ago
Sam what name did the children of Israel call their god the golden calf, considering that they already through Prophet Moses [as] that Yahweh is the name of their God? I think the pastor partner will agree that the golden calf at that time represented the one they worshiped and up to King Solomon [as], who the bible even accused of idolatry. It does not make any sense that at the end Muhammad [as] destroyed all idols, if you accused him of Idolatry, while you make Jesus and Ghost and Yahweh gods
lionabbass 3 months ago
why telling lies? only perverting yourself n your own ppl,
arzermey 3 months ago
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people don't listen to this ignorant guys they don't know nothing , please don't be like them find out for your self , did you know that almost 2 % of the world convert to islam thats just last year, and those guys don't want you to know , have you asked yourself why are they only attacking islam? find out for yourself or dial the 800 number and make a donation !!! if jesus is here now would he allow this ?
think about it
shahin611 9 months ago
I am sorry but these are real callers and everything that these guys are saying is true they have studied for many years and have found through scholars the truth. Have you studied the bible or the Quarn in full. If not you can not talk. Jesus is Lord that it!
shirelleW22 1 year ago
No my dear God is far from fiction He is more real than your own life! He has come to so many people and changed their lives for the better. Satan is blinding your eyes and doesn't want you to know the truth. Jesus is coming back I hope that you will be ready. Don't say that us Christians didn't warn you.
shirelleW22 1 year ago
No my dear God is far from fiction is more real than your own life!
shirelleW22 1 year ago
may the good lord bless your show forever
louisenriquez29 1 year ago
if muhhamad is phropet from the jewish tribe,why islam is on saudi arabia not on israel?
louisenriquez29 1 year ago
@louisenriquez29 Simple, he came from a pagan Arab tribe and not from any tribe of Israel.
bobo577 4 months ago
you right islam is pagan worshiper
louisenriquez29 1 year ago
Spot on.
davediddlydoo 1 year ago
Latest Study: 1 in 4 Christian teen girls has an STD - More Christian profanity exposed world-wide!
WorldIslamicOrder 1 year ago
@WorldIslamicOrder I don't have to resort to tactics like this to prove MY religion
Yizlanu 1 year ago
@WorldIslamicOrder still better than following a necrophiliac.
robiezu 5 months ago
@robiezu What is the penalty for Apostacy in an Islamic country?
RedSun875 4 months ago
@RedSun875 Death. Thats why im glad i belong to my lord and saviour Jesus Christ
robiezu 4 months ago
@robiezu
chistian in past also practicing death to apostacy,
arzermey 3 months ago
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WorldIslamicOrder 1 year ago
@WorldIslamicOrder oh please lol
so now you resort to name calling .......
Yizlanu 1 year ago
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BIBLE: “And Peter opened his mouth and said: ‘Truly I perceive that God shows no partiality, but in every nation any one who fears him and does what is right is acceptable to him.’” Acts 10:34,35
akhinicholas 1 year ago
God is fiction.
Karoke77 1 year ago
Did he have intercourse with the corpse or slept on top of her breasts?
giosia03 1 year ago
Why is this video titled "Islam on Capitol Hill"?? It has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with Islam on Capitol Hill....!!
DeucePrez 1 year ago
I'm Christian all my life and lived in the Middle East for 35 years and don't respect those who make fun of any religion and not only Islam. At the same time I don't respect Muslims who believe that all non Muslims will end up in hell. It is not a civilized behavior to use the media and the web to criticize any religion. I suggest a constructive dialogue between all religions rather than using this destructive criticism.
nrassam 1 year ago
What a bunch of lies. These are all false baseless assumptions that have been proven to be just what they are: RUBBISH. And these idiots continue to parade on with these lies as the Muslims already challenged them and silenced them.
YemeniteOriginals 1 year ago
@YemeniteOriginals I am praying for you,that you will see Jesus as The Son of the only living God!
God bless you!
Hans021220 1 year ago
yes we should all ignore Jesus' brother James and the early writings to follow the gospels written by unknown authors, the earliest surving copies being copies of copies of copies of copies with hundreds of variations between the earliest surviving copies. Righty ho!
shamstar 1 year ago
As they do to the best of christian scholars...if you can call them scholars in the first place. The real reason they make these videos is simple, whats the first thing they ask for?..DONATIONS!!...MONEY!!!!!
Thats what christianity has always been about....MONEY!...Thats why christianity is over & Islam is replacing it, the truth always prevails.
harryqwerty 1 year ago
@harryqwerty And there are many Christian who pay every week for God. At least Christian don't behead people and rape people.
ArmageddonComingSoon 1 year ago
this is getting desperate on the christian side, getting into complex conversations full of lies & made up "facts" which the vast majority of christian viewers, who are totally ignorant of their own faith & swallow everything their told whole, Its funny how they do this on their own private media knowing full well an Islamic scholar or even a qualified historian would annihilate them in public debate.
harryqwerty 1 year ago
@harryqwerty The Bible is not lies. It's the Qur'an that tells lie from hell.
ArmageddonComingSoon 1 year ago
My goodness. The list of atrocities Muhammed committed never seems to stop growing. I thought I already knew every crime he had committed such as being a pedaphile, murderer, rapist, thief, warrior and liar. Now there is yet one more thing to add to his list. Sex with a dead woman. Whats it called when you have sex with a corpse? Other than being one sick dude. Whats the official word?
countdeemoney 1 year ago
@countdeemoney If you haven't heard the word by now, it's "Necrophilia". Sure that you have come across it, but, if not...
jarbon5 1 year ago
Im Aramean and speak Aramaic! Proud!
bloodcheif 1 year ago
ABN you guys rock wow what a great minisry amazing how many people dont see the truth you speak. I hope to support your ministry what a great thing for God you are doing prasie God for you
muhammed was a weirdo
itdaddy85 1 year ago
could somebody from your show answer what islams reason is, why allah immpreginated a women?
jhweh2007 1 year ago
@jhweh2007 yes sure he was bored n lonely, oh no wait that is why he created us cause wanted us to know him
followerofjesus1984 1 year ago
@followerofjesus1984 i guess so brother,no one from islam can explain that one.
jhweh2007 1 year ago
lol
abanni123 1 year ago
There were more than 80 Gospels for the Christians, and only 4 were accepted Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John, the rest were thrown behind their backs. Muslims believe in one book called INJIL and was authentic because it was written in Jesus presence, 60- 80 Years later, they WRITTEN A NEW BIBLE in a NEW Language, New Bible written 60 to 80 years after Jesus was FORGED
sultan786able 2 years ago
@sultan786able
There was no "injeel" written WHILE Jesus was alive!
Jesus gave His followers the task to spread the Gospel,- wich they did!
Even the Quran aknowledges the Injeel.
You talk about several Gospels, but the reason why the 4 Gospels were chosen was because they were written by diciples/apostles and those close accosiated with them.
That was a CRITERIA,- and the teaching's would also have to be in kine with the teachings of the first church.
We KNOW all four Gospels were
senja71 1 year ago
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sultan786able 1 year ago
thats not truth, they got rid of Jesus, then they finished his diciples and all followers, a man named Saul who was an agent of the Roman State was responsible for the masacre, later he was made to change his Religion, changed his name to Paul, then written the Bible in Greek which was the language of the Romans, not the language of Jesus, then Paul migrated to Rome.
sultan786able 1 year ago
@sultan786able;
What you are saying here is absolutely WRONG and a lie, and even your own scholars will argue with those statements!
What you say here doesn't even match the muslim point of view!:-)the Gospels were used by the first cgurch, and this we can know for sure because we have records from several ancient documents confirming this.
Even the Quran talks about the Injeel, and the Gospel of John is mentioned in one of your Hadith's!
Please do a LITTLE bit of research...!
Peace
senja71 1 year ago
@sultan786able Jesus resurrected from the dead. The disciples died for teaching about Jesus except for John who was exiled to the island of Pat mos He was the only one of the twelve to die of old age. Saul was changed after the encounter on the Damascus road. He chose to follow Jesus. And Jesus told Him that He needed to go to Rome to witness about Jesus because the people needed to know. The pharisees , (Saul used to be a pharisee) were furious that He was spreading the gospel about Jesus.
TheCuppycakedelight5 1 year ago
@sultan786able Paul (Saul ) was also a roman citizen so he appealed to be seen by emperor Nero.Nero sentenced Paul to death by beheading. Paul had already witnessed to Nero and was a mighty champion of the gospel.
TheCuppycakedelight5 1 year ago
@sultan786able The reasons why Christians reject other gospels is because they came hundreds of years after the gospels were written the gospel is written 1/2 century of Jesus but the other gospels are written 3/4 century and can not be trusted Christians have a way that we test what is from God can can be trusted and what can not be trusted which is called the canon. Christians have our manuscripts to prove our Bible is the same can you provide evidence for your claim the Bible is corrupted
Jerseygirl8999 1 year ago
@Jerseygirl8999 thats true, bt i was doing some research the other day and i date at least luke in the mid ad 50's, so if u go to acts where pual is having his vision, this account was written before 64 for then there is one where he was in court, and this must have been around 60-2 cause he was in prison and died in 64 as i sed, and in the beginning of the act is say luke had already written luke before this, so lmid to late f50's would be a good date for luke
followerofjesus1984 1 year ago
"And the book is delivered to him that is not learned, saying, Read this, I pray thee: and he saith, I am not learned " (Isaiah 29:12) God says in the Holy Quran: "Those who follow the messenger, the Prophet who can neither read nor write, whom they will find described in the Torah and the Gospel (which are) with them" (Quran: 7 - 157)
1406ahmad 2 years ago
This guy claims that he "lapsed into idolatry" by claiming God had daughters? This from the religion that claim God has a son? Lol. Sam lapses into idolatry within thirty seconds of falsely accusing Muhammad (saws)!
dawahaddict 2 years ago
you obiously do not understand the statements
lordrothchild21 2 years ago
Obviously. Maybe you can explain it.
dawahaddict 2 years ago
First these gentlemen are taking calls from serious muslims, and they call because they respect these gentlemen even though they might diagree. If you go back and listen to what he said. He didnt say what you said he said. Specifically how he said it. He made clear that muhammed said there are other gods.
lordrothchild21 2 years ago
The thing is, Muhammad (saws) never said those things. That was a made up story that people tr to use to make Muhammad (saws) look bad, but anyone with any sense can realize that the claims are totally false. I think you missed my point. I was pointing out the hypocrisy, that this guy considers attributing daughters to God a form of idolatry, but will not admit that attributing a son to God is just as idolatrous.
dawahaddict 2 years ago
I hear you. So since you prove you can hold a conversation without insulting can i invite you to a dialogue about Jesus being the son of God
lordrothchild21 2 years ago
Invite me to a dialogue? You mean what we are doing right now, or like beyond these comments?
dawahaddict 2 years ago
Yes beyond these comments.
lordrothchild21 2 years ago
So what did you have in mind my friend?
dawahaddict 2 years ago
ok, I always hear muslims say, how could God have a son, so ok my question sir, could it be possible that muslims are not understandin why Jesus is called son?
lordrothchild21 2 years ago 3
Go on...
dawahaddict 2 years ago
Son in refference to Jesus is a title and so is Father, not describing a human condition known as father and son
lordrothchild21 2 years ago
Those titles do describe a human relationship.
dawahaddict 2 years ago
I agree but you could also say they can istead of do implying there is another way to understand the terms
lordrothchild21 2 years ago
different aspects of human relationship excuse me sir
lordrothchild21 2 years ago
for example i have a son so i call him son. and if i adopt a boy i call him son for a different reason.
lordrothchild21 2 years ago
So you are saying that Jesus (as) was not the literal son of God, right? That it was used as a term of respect and not an actual physical relationship? Well, I agree. In the Bible, Jacob, Ephraim, David, and Solomon (as) were all described as son of God, and it was understood that they were prophets of God, human beings, whom God had chosen. This is also the case with Jesus Christ (as).
dawahaddict 2 years ago
@dawahaddict i think what my brother is trying to explain, is that Jesus is called the son which simply refers to his divine status, he is eternal in the same respect as the father, and they are the same essnce as God, for God shows himself through 3 person the father, the son n the spirit, Jesus is the word of God
followerofjesus1984 1 year ago
@followerofjesus1984 See, that couldn't be correct because God is One not Three. Jesus (as) taught that God is One and that he was God's servant and prophet. The concept of Jesus (as) being divine or part of a trinity was an innovation. It is not true to the religion of God.
dawahaddict 1 year ago
@dawahaddict now this is wrong, e taught he was God the son, all way through, of course God is one in being bt tree in person and this has beenrevealed in the scriptures, Jesus being devine was in the very beginning and is the truth, Jesus taught it, the as did the disciple as does the church 's today, he was not God's serven but Gods son, he died for the sin of the world, to deny him is to deny the father, to accept him is to accept the father, Jesus never taught he was a servent
followerofjesus1984 1 year ago
@followerofjesus1984 three in person
followerofjesus1984 1 year ago
@followerofjesus1984 Three is not One, that is polytheism, clear idolatry.
Matthew 12:18: "Behold my servant, whom I have chosen."
Acts 3:13(RSV): "The God of Abraham, and of Isaac,.... hath glorified his servant Jesus."
Acts 4:27(RSV): "For of a truth against thy holy servant Jesus, whom thou hast anointed...."
dawahaddict 1 year ago
@dawahaddict no, were monopheists, we believe in one God, note 3, just like ur mixing up things
matthew 12:18 is based on a propecy, and not jesus' word its a fulfillment of what Jeus life is about
followerofjesus1984 1 year ago
@dawahaddict and the the book of acts is written in a historical veiw, i feel u don't believe that he was Crucified either which 3 :13, 14, 16, 17 all go into so, u can use this text but before using look at the text to its support ur whole veiw,
acts 4 : 27 talks about how everything in Jesus mission was planned before hand, how he was to die detail by detail,so even book of acts refutes ur major position and ur minor cause luke only used servent to represent a historical preface,
followerofjesus1984 1 year ago
@followerofjesus1984 From one follower of Jesus (as) to another, I have a challenge for you. If you trust in God and have faith that He will guide you, then I'm sure you will be willing to accept it. I am declaring that the Qur'an is the word of God. Go get a free Qur'an, you can get them sent to you from sites online, read it, and decide if you think it is the word of God.
dawahaddict 1 year ago
@dawahaddict i have one and no its not the word of God but the word of man, and no u dont believe in Jesus if you did u would not deny his sacrifice, and him as the son of God as the bible tells us, and that he rose from the grave, yo think u do but if you did follow him u would not deny this fundamental truth, and the sacrifr ( crucifixion) is historically true, the bible is also historically correct, and the non biblical evedence is supportive,
followerofjesus1984 1 year ago
@followerofjesus1984 I don't pray to Jesus (as). I don't worship Jesus (as). I worship and pray to the same God that Jesus (as) worshipped and prayed to.
If you read your Bible, you know that Jesus (as) prayed to God. So, I pray to God. He didn't teach or believe in a trinity. He just believed in God, or in Aramaic, Alaha.
You they say WWJD, What Would Jesus (as) Do? Well, apparently Jesus (as) would pray to God alone with no partners. So why pray to Jesus (as)? He didn't. God is Echad.
dawahaddict 1 year ago
@dawahaddict f ourse h prayed to his fathe, as a son, and i pray to both, and its acceted, oh u say he didnt teachon te trinity, not y name by its person, he saihe is the son of God in almost every plcae, like John 5 :19 - 30, john 10 :22 -47 and in john 17 e asks the father glorify him like he shared from the beginning before creation ---- the second member
followerofjesus1984 1 year ago
@dawahaddict the holy spirit --- the spirit of truth in john 14: 15-26, john 16 :1 - 15, and acts 1 : 4-8, acts 2 :1 - 13 and the spirit is the third member, the first is the father, who is mentioned throughout the new testament, which also cls Jesus the origantor of life , in john 1 :1-4, 1 corinthians 8 :6-7
followerofjesus1984 1 year ago
@followerofjesus1984 New Testament is wrong then. God > Paul.
dawahaddict 1 year ago
@dawahaddict how do u know jesus never taught he was one the members if u never read the new testament thoroughly as i can tell, jesus taught us he was the son of God and one of the member of the triune God head
followerofjesus1984 1 year ago
@followerofjesus1984 Because he was a Muslim, and Muslims don't believe in Trinity. We believe in One God. Shma Yisrael, YHWH Eloheinu, YHWH Echad. Qul huwa Allahu Ahad.
dawahaddict 1 year ago
@dawahaddict and dont put the divine name of yahweh into the context of arabic, there not the same , yahweh is the one true God and is also jesus (yesha +God saves) God is a triune God 1 being and three persons, the father , the son and the holy spirit
followerofjesus1984 1 year ago
@followerofjesus1984 I didn't put YHWH into Arabic. Read it again. That's Hebrew.
Deuteronomy 6:4
Shma Yisrael, Yahweh Eloheinu, Yahweh ECHAD.
Hear O Israel, Yahweh is our God, Yahweh is (absolutely) ONE.
According to the NT, Jesus (as) called that the greatest commandment.
The second line was from the Qur'an 1:112
Qul huwa Allahu AHAD.
Say: He is God, (absolutely) ONE.
The same word is used in both places. Echad/Ahad means absolutely ONE.
Just so we're clear, that's 1. Not 3. 1.
dawahaddict 1 year ago
@dawahaddict sorry, i just realised, its the hebrew shmoal
but even this has a in depth veiw, of the time it came out it was response to people sinning on idol worship, then it has another mean, when its says one, one what, well i means one salvation, and being, and how can one person of God show love before he created us, love has an object to show it through, so in this sence it shows he is one in bieng but not person
followerofjesus1984 1 year ago
@followerofjesus1984 Nope. Just one. Don't make excuses for breaking the first commandment. God is One. Not buts. No exceptions. God is One. He's been sending every prophet saying the same thing. One. Not three. One.
I don't know how else to say it. I just want to call you to worship God alone with no partners. I've made it my mission in life to call as many people as I can to worship God alone on His terms. Just try praying to JUST GOD. Sincerely ask for guidance. Please.
dawahaddict 1 year ago
@dawahaddict look, we dont break anything, if anything muhammad broke them all, and this is fine with you, God has reealed himself in 3 persons, even abraham in genesis 18, he has a so, not i the sence that i am to my father, but an eternal son, jesus is eternal and was there from the beginning, and everything was made through him
is muhammad so big to say what God and cannot have, or what he can do, and are u foolish to follow him and not read the words of God
followerofjesus1984 1 year ago
@followerofjesus1984 Lol Muhammad (saws) didn't break any of God's commandments. Neither did Jesus (as). They both worshipped God alone with no partners.
God never revealed himself in three persons. That doesn't make any sense. In Genesis 18, angels come to Abraham (as), not God. Abraham (as) was a prophet, remember? God communicates with prophets through the Angel Gabriel. So Gabriel and two other angels visited him. Not three Gods.
dawahaddict 1 year ago
@dawahaddict i want u to realise that Jesus died for your sin and ur denying him this very thing, which is true in scripture of the bible which is back by history and archeology
followerofjesus1984 1 year ago
@followerofjesus1984 According to who? Paul? Jesus (as) didn't die for our sins. That would be injustice on the part of God, and God is Just. Imagine if we did that in court! Ten men attack a young boy and beat him nearly to death. They go on trial, are found guilty, but instead of punishing them, the Judge has the boy tortured and executed, and the ten men go free. Is that justice? Absolutely not. In the same way, it is not justice for Jesus (as) to die for our sins.
dawahaddict 1 year ago
@followerofjesus1984 he was a muslim, that just a fanatasy, where is ur proof
followerofjesus1984 1 year ago
@followerofjesus1984 Muslim means one who submits to the will of the one God on God's terms. Jesus (as) did that, so he is Muslim.
dawahaddict 1 year ago
@dawahaddict it has two way meaning , peace and submission, even this submission has a negitive n positive side, negitive is that he wants u submit and love him first, which is not the way it should be , my God loved us first and sent his son as a love sacrifice
positive, is that u a devout which even i admire as i am devout Cristian but we know the truth of the matter, u have no reassurance of salvation as u have to work for it, and even then its no garantee, and ours is cause its love based
followerofjesus1984 1 year ago
@followerofjesus1984 If you love God than worship Him alone with no partners.
Do you realize how big of sin it is to say that God has a son? :-(
dawahaddict 1 year ago
@dawahaddict well now aint this a little bit wrong, who said he cant have a son, or be more than 1 in person of the God head, you, or muhammad, no one can say that god can be something or do something, i wont judge him, and i do love him because he has revealed Christ is the truth to me
followerofjesus1984 1 year ago
@followerofjesus1984 God said so.
"They say, "Allah has taken a son." Exalted is He! Rather, to Him belongs whatever is in the heavens and the earth. All are devoutly obedient to Him."
-Qur'an 2:116
dawahaddict 1 year ago
Jesus was the word of God made flesh. In the bible God says his word is faithfull and never fails. That is why Jesus is sinless and call the Lamb of God, a perfect sacrifice. Because of His obedience God has chosen to give Him all things as the bible says, This is the reason He calls Him son, because God will pass Jesus His kingdom as Father would a son. Father=source, son=reciever. Read Jesus' words and you will see.
lordrothchild21 2 years ago 2
@lordrothchild21 Is David the son of God?
dawahaddict 1 year ago
@dawahaddict 1 what do u mean ...... is he the son of God as the old testament says well this is by faith and trust in God , Jesus is the eternal son as the new testament affirms
followerofjesus1984 1 year ago
@followerofjesus1984 Ok, so, how many sons does God have? Just the one?
dawahaddict 1 year ago
@dawahaddict not a good question at all he has 1eternal so, Christ, who everything was made through, and he has many sons and daughters through their faith in Christ, and this what makes them spiritual Children
when we say Jesus is the son, we do not mean in the physical sense but in the fact that his divine nature comes from God and is of God,
followerofjesus1984 1 year ago
@followerofjesus1984 So can you just answer the question? How many sons does God have?
I ask because the Bible calls David (as), Jacob (as),and Ephraim (as) sons of God. So if there are four sons of God (at least) plus the Father and the Ghost, that would be six, right? So why do you say three persons and not six?
dawahaddict 1 year ago
@dawahaddict again, they sons through faith in God, but Jesus the eternal son, his divinity came from God
he trinity is the God head that exist as three divine persons in he one being of God,
we are called Child of God , sons n daughter through our faith in God and and grace of Christ's sacrife
followerofjesus1984 1 year ago
@followerofjesus1984 like in the case abel, who was counted righteous in God sight and this made him a Child / son of God, its not that he was a son like jesus, but cause his faith in God like every man afer that was made right in the lord sight,
Jesus is he uniques son who is eternal and pre existed all things, all thing were made through him
followerofjesus1984 1 year ago
@followerofjesus1984 Jesus (as) existed before Abraham (as) and so did everyone else. God gathered all the descendants of Adam (as) before they were born and we all testified that God alone is the Lord. This quality is not unique to Jesus (as). Jesus (as) was a messenger of God. Just look back at your own book. This is how God works. This is His formula. The Christian understanding was influenced by outside ideas (Greek philosophy, European Paganism, etc). The true religion is worship God alone!
dawahaddict 1 year ago
@dawahaddict this is illogical and very misinformed, cause no one existed before they were born, but God knew us, Jesus how ever did exist as he is the eterna son --- no influence from outside , its God word and the truth
followerofjesus1984 1 year ago
@followerofjesus1984 So, just like elsewhere in the Bible, Jesus (as) is not the literal son of God. Understand it in context. He is the messenger of God. Don't worship him, worship the One Who sent him. God does not have kids. He's God. He's not a human. He's God. God doesn't get married, have kids, work 9-5, save for retirement. He's God! God is free from what you associate with Him.
dawahaddict 1 year ago
@dawahaddict oh dear, u do not have a clue, he is the 2nd person of the God head, he is eternal and existed before everything, which was created through him
this is the satan lies, he is God's eternal son as the bible is clear, ur being misled -- as for God not havng kids, how rediculous, i never said he did, and no christian would say this, he is God the son cause his divine nature comes from God,
followerofjesus1984 1 year ago
@dawahaddict and i have not associated anything with him, just i believe he has a son, an eternal son who was with the father in the biginning. as the new testament approves this, so ur all cant have a son yet he has 3 or 4 daughters, in surah 53 : 19-22, and his has no girlfriend but has a wife, or the quran has a mother this is illogical as we dont believe he had sex to produce a son, the son is eternal and existed even bfore coming in the faorm of man
followerofjesus1984 1 year ago
@followerofjesus1984 Ok first of all Allah doesn't have any daughters or wives that's not real lol. How do you think a son is made? You get a son by having sex with your wife. So if you say God is the Father it means you say God had sex with Mary (may Allah forgive me for saying it). This is NOT TRUE! Allah has power over all things, and He willed that Mary become pregnant with Jesus (as) and she became pregnant.
All this stuff about Jesus (as) being eternal is made up.
dawahaddict 1 year ago
@dawahaddict not real go and read surah 53: 19 - 22 for daughters, and the quran has a mother of the book too,
no i never said such a thing, that the quran misconception on hat we believe, he is the eternal son, who existed before even mary, that why he is the son of God, nothing to do with sex, he is eternal
followerofjesus1984 1 year ago
@followerofjesus1984 Then that wouldn't be a "son" of God, just another God.
dawahaddict 1 year ago
@dawahaddict sorry your being misled, its one Gd in the form of 3 person, not 3 separate Gods, we're not tri theists, but monothiests
followerofjesus1984 1 year ago
@followerofjesus1984 God is not a person. He's God. Just One.
dawahaddict 1 year ago
@dawahaddict no ur lot, cause when i say person i meana spiriul person addont saywhat Godn nd can not do, we humans have no right if he says he isone n bi , but more thn one n another sence, then its his own right and we cannot judge, but just trust in him, and no one not even muhammad can't say other wise
followerofjesus1984 1 year ago
@followerofjesus1984 Have you ever heard of the Trimurti?
dawahaddict 1 year ago
@dawahaddict no not even a word, but i have heard of trinity, which is found in the dictionary, and says the correct belief of mine,
followerofjesus1984 1 year ago
@followerofjesus1984 Trimurti is not a word? Lol yes it is. Google is your friend.
dawahaddict 1 year ago
@dawahaddict i see ur oing all hinduon me well this is not our belief either, as it 3 forms tha this, and we believe in one God who is one in spirit but 3 in persons
and nothing in indu even come close
there is 3 main gods, our is one God, and theres forms and not spiritual persons, plus there would come under tri theism
and there's depicted as one body , 3 heads and our is not , so nothing a like
followerofjesus1984 1 year ago
@followerofjesus1984 No actually they will tell you that they are just three parts of the One True God. In fact, they will say that all of the many lesser gods also are just Manifestations of the One God. So how is that different? It's not. Whether it's Hinduism or Christianity, in both cases you are trying to make an excuse for idolatry. There is no excuse. Worship God alone no exceptions.
dawahaddict 1 year ago
@dawahaddict and this is not what we believe, so stop attaking a straw man, cause that is the weaket tig one cn do, we dont believe in 3 God as they do, we believe in God in three person, they elieve in 3 Gods in one GOD--- nothingalike go and study moe case every brought as een fted and ur not gonna admit i thats okay mate, christiany ad hindus elieve totally differen things, there is no commonalit
followerofjesus1984 1 year ago
@followerofjesus1984 commonality --- i do worship the oe true God yahweh as he made self known by more than 4000 times in the old testament,
the one true God exists as 3 divine persons, he revealed this more than anything to us so i believe in the true God of the prophets, who is yeshua/ yahwah
followerofjesus1984 1 year ago
@followerofjesus1984 Jesus (as) bows down in worship to his Creator. Why do you bow down in worship to Jesus (as)?
dawahaddict 1 year ago
@dawahaddict where do u get this from, the verse in context refutes you, cause just said father, and ur allah is apparently a father to no one, so it his father yahweh whom jesus is praying to , not his creator stop adding to thecontext, and let it read, causeJesus is the creator, everything is created through him, in john 1 : 4, 1 corintians 8 : 6-7, hebrews 1 , and colossians 1 : 1- 20
so Jesus is the eternal son, and even i the quran he is the creator he breathed life into a bird
followerofjesus1984 1 year ago
@followerofjesus1984 "he breathed life into a bird"
By Allah's permission.
dawahaddict 1 year ago
@dawahaddict still he gave life with allah permission or withut, permission, alla is not Godjust a figment of muhammads imagination, look i was making a point of saying he breathe life into a clay bird, and this is the point u have totally missed, ause this is what we beiieve Jesus and the father are a total union wit one another, as john 5 : 19 - 30 demnstrate, we dont believe he is another God or deity of own, and the angels do worship him read the book of hebrews and revalation
followerofjesus1984 1 year ago
@followerofjesus1984 But that's totally foolish. I'm not missing anything. Jesus (as) breathed life into a clay bird by God's leave. He healed the blind and the lepers, and even raised a man from death by God's leave. He could not do any miracle without God's permission (check your Bible). Countless prophets before him performed miracles by God's leave, some even raised the dead (again, check your Bible), but you don't deify them. Only Jesus Christ (as) you say is God, even though he fits the...
dawahaddict 1 year ago
...description perfectly of the prophets who came before him. It's very clear to see how God communicated with mankind. He sends prophets and messengers. He has always done this (again, check your Bible). He has made His religion clear. Forgiveness comes through repentance and God's mercy. No need to kill anyone to be forgiven. Jesus (as) was a prophet like those before him, and he says as much (again, check your Bible).
dawahaddict 1 year ago
@dawahaddict i know what he done through the prophets, and this prophets prophecied the coming of the messiah, the son of God, so im not in error, the prophet are are an important part of God work, but even they recognise they only small part, cause they had make offering for the sin, and this was not a perfect thing, only in Jesus we find perfection so we see that ts impossible to evaluate it in any other way
followerofjesus1984 1 year ago
@followerofjesus1984 Way to ignore everything I said.
dawahaddict 1 year ago
@followerofjesus1984 Bro, why are you holding on to this when you know it is false and sinful? Ask God to forgive your sins and start worshipping Him alone with no partners!
You already proved it to yourself. It doesn't say so of God. It's either Mighty God and Everlasting Father OR Messenger of great counsel. You already said that Jesus (as) IS NOT the Father, so that means you have to throw out that whole verse as being wrong, and accept Jesus (as) is the MESSENGER! Read it and accept it!
dawahaddict 1 year ago
@dawahaddict look the message is the same just souse there erient reading doesnt effect them the counsel is in all of them,
jesus is the eternal father meaning he gives eternal life u need to do ur home work more to find our what these things mean, its doent mean he is the father when he is the son
i read them all and they are the same message despite key veriants, and the dea sea scrolls cnfirms today thank u
followerofjesus1984 1 year ago
@followerofjesus1984 according to 19 : 70 - 72 all will enter hell even muslims
and why do people go to hell because they have sinned
followerofjesus1984 1 year ago
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@followerofjesus1984 Stop making silly excuses. God has made the truth very clear from the falsehood. Worship God alone, not His messenger Jesus (as). You know deep down that telling me that, "jesus is the eternal father meaning he gives eternal life... its doent mean he is the father when he is the son" is just an excuse for yourself.
Bottom line: You said that Jesus (as) is NOT YAHWEH. Yahweh says that you CANNOT take others in worship with Him. Listen to God and follow His commandment #1!
dawahaddict 1 year ago
@dawahaddict still ur missing the point, we believe that he done things through the permission of yahweh, but does permission mean u can't still do things,
so my point has not been refuted but u have actually made my point , cause no Christian believes Jesus does things by his own will, but by the will of the father,
followerofjesus1984 1 year ago
@followerofjesus1984 so here is the problem, muslim have the wrong veiw of Christians, most of the muslims think we believe he came to do what he wants, as John 5 : 19 - 30demonstrates, Jesus is a complete unity with the father
followerofjesus1984 1 year ago
@followerofjesus1984 when we know jesus came to lay down his life for the sin of man, and this is the father's will, if u look upon the the old testament prophecies, and the new testament as a whole rather than cutting it up and and misuseing it
followerofjesus1984 1 year ago
@followerofjesus1984 That makes no sense. Why would Jesus (as) have to die for everyone else's sins? It doesn't add up. We already know about forgiveness of sins. You repent sincerely to God and out of His mercy He forgives. No need for human sacrifice. God taught us that with the example of Abraham (as). The true God does not need a human sacrifice, just sincere repentance.
dawahaddict 1 year ago
@dawahaddict it makes perfect sence , God prodicted it through the prophets in the history, and God the son becoming flesh to die for the sin of man, this is a fulfillment of many prophecies and of the old testament sacrifices, which were never perect, like man is not perfect, but Jesus was born perfect and this the reason for the miracle bith, and he is the named as the lamb of God which refers to the sacrifice of a lamb
followerofjesus1984 1 year ago
@dawahaddict our own try are like dirty rags, so even if u repent on ur own accord's its not enough u need to come to Christ and thisis what the father declared
ur still not looking the whole picture, just a fractured part, the reason for jesus coming to lay his life down, is cause as man he had no sin, and no imperfections, and the human side died, but he as the God the son he was alive, its not human sacrifice,
followerofjesus1984 1 year ago
@followerofjesus1984 I'm sure you know the verse Mark 6:5 when Jesus (as) couldn't do miracles. So he can only do it if God allows. You probably also remember John 14:28 which has Jesus (as) saying that God is greater than him.
So if you already know that Jesus (as) does not do things by his own will, but submits to God's will, then why do you still say that Jesus (as) is God?
dawahaddict 1 year ago
@dawahaddict one by one
1 --- Jesus could not do miracles --- mark 6 - 5, read the whole context, its not that he couldnt do it, its that he refused to do cause of the unbelief of home town
2 ---- the father is great than I , read the context ------ he says he must go away and return to the father, , the reason for the father being greater than he is, is that whilest he is the form of a man, he considers himself less and one he return he will regain his fully divine place of honour
followerofjesus1984 1 year ago
@dawahaddict as God he is the same as the father, but as a man he is less, so there for he does the will of the father, and this doesnt refute my position
followerofjesus1984 1 year ago
@dawahaddict because he is the reason we are here, through him all things are made, and he deserves it, and is worth of it, man, women, angel all worship him
followerofjesus1984 1 year ago
@followerofjesus1984 Woah angels don't worship Jesus (as)! They actually can't worship Jesus (as). They have no free will. They can only worship the One God, and I know you have your trinity belief, so to you're understanding, I'm not talking about the "son" (who I call Jesus (as)) or "Holy Spirit" (who I call Archangel Gabriel), but just the One who you call the "father" (God Almighty).
dawahaddict 1 year ago
@dawahaddict look mate, i am trying to show u through the love of Christ Jesus, the one who died for all our sins, that he is divine and is worshipped by man , women and angels as the son of God, and the great I am
followerofjesus1984 1 year ago
@followerofjesus1984 I know what you are trying to do.
So are you saying that Noah (as) worshipped Jesus (as)?
dawahaddict 1 year ago
@dawahaddict yesall prophet worship him in heaven and know him more than you do,right now, every man will bow down to him, even muhammad did before he was banished for misrepresenting my lrd, and mislead many generation through his decepion
followerofjesus1984 1 year ago
@followerofjesus1984 Lol what? Where's you get that story?
dawahaddict 1 year ago
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followerofjesus1984 1 year ago
@followerofjesus1984 I don't understand the difference. It sounds exactly the same. Can you explain the difference to me? So wait, do you believe God is One in Three or Three in One?
dawahaddict 1 year ago
@dawahaddict lets put this to rest, we believe one God who has revealed himslf as 3 preson, this is mono - theism, what hindus although it seem the same on the suface, is not once u explore it, they believe in one main God as we do, but that is all thats the same, cause they believe in other Gods as well, and this is seen in there verson of God , cause its Gods in God, or 3 beings in one being ours is not
followerofjesus1984 1 year ago
@followerofjesus1984 Yours is what, One in three?
dawahaddict 1 year ago
@followerofjesus1984 Hindus believe in One God, but they believe that the One God has many forms, manifestations, persons, whatever you want to call it. Brahma, Vishnu, and Shiva are the three main ones, and there are plenty more after that.
So why do you think this is any different than your idea of Trinity? You also say there is One God, but you believe that the One God has three forms or persons.
So are you saying that Hinduism is Monotheist? Many Hindus make that claim.
dawahaddict 1 year ago
@dawahaddict yes they believe in God but they believe in other Gods, we believe one God, not other Gods or gods, but our God has come in form three person, these are divine spritual persona, not seperate Gods but seprate n distinct person who are work as one force of God
im not saying anything to there beliefs as im not judging anyone, ours is monothiest veiw, and there is two veiws
followerofjesus1984 1 year ago
@followerofjesus1984 Well many Hindus claim to be monotheists, and they make the same argument that you're making. Obviously I disagree with the argument no matter who makes it, but I'm saying for Christianity you're ok with it but not for Hinduism. Let's put it this way. How would you feel if another religion said they also believed that God is One with Three Persons, just like you do, but they said they believed in those persons being: God the Creator, The Divine Light, and Linda the Daughter?
dawahaddict 1 year ago
@dawahaddict the are monothiest but there also tri - theists, and please dont compare our veiw of God with there for is no real connection, we believe in one God, who has come in the form of 3 spiritual persons, not real persons, although one of the persons took on flesh, hey belive in one big God but cause therer bliefs they believe other gods
followerofjesus1984 1 year ago
@followerofjesus1984 Ok so since you won't recognize the Hindu claims to monotheism, I gave you another example. What if another religion claimed that there was a trinity? Would you say that they were monotheist? One God in three persons: God the Creator, The Divine Light, and Linda the Daughter. They also believe that God came down in human form as a woman named Linda, who they say is God's daughter. What do you think?
dawahaddict 1 year ago
@dawahaddict come away from other religion, if they do then its not effecting me cause there will always be a different prespective in the way it represent as it is in the hindus, and ours is unique to our faith, and is fitting to him as there is noting like in the world even the so called one u put forth,
well there is no daughter in our so it not the same
followerofjesus1984 1 year ago
@followerofjesus1984 So God can have a son but not a daughter? How many sons can He have?
You must know the truth deep down. It's not like I'm calling you to atheism. I'm telling you that you are all wrong. I'm calling you to correct your understanding of what would otherwise be the correct way of life mandated by God.
Don't let what Constantine did corrupt your faith.
dawahaddict 1 year ago
@dawahaddict ur mis informed, when we say son of God, we dont mean a physical son as in through sexual mean, so he isnot a bilogical, but the term son of God means his eternal narute pre existed, and was there even before he become a man
u get this idea from the quran where it how can i have a son when i dont have a consort, this is misrepresentation of our believe
followerofjesus1984 1 year ago
@followerofjesus1984 Whatever bro. I know what a son is. If God is not the biological Father of Jesus (as) according to believe, then why don't you say that Jesus (as) is only God's son metaphorically speaking, not literally. I'm not the one making this stuff up. Maybe I didn't ask you, and if so my bad, but I've asked other Christians if they believe it is literal or metaphor, and they say literal. The literal meaning of son is clear.
dawahaddict 1 year ago
@dawahaddict u know what a son is in bilogical sence , but this not the same, cause he is the eternal, the same nature as the father, its not a biological thing, rather an eternal situation,
ur missing the point, he is the eternal son, he pre - existed all created things, as they were created through him and for him,
ur asking the wrong question, literal means God would had sex with mary which is idiotic,
followerofjesus1984 1 year ago