fast and smoothly drifting with a bmw e34 on snowcovered country roads

[LinkwitzRiley]

Hey!

Super video!

Ich hab nur eine Frage;

Sind diese Drifts alle Powerdrifts also am Gas oder übersteuert dein BMW sogar im Schub so stark?

[alu57]

@LinkwitzRiley

Es sind drifts am Limit, deswegen ist der Winkel nicht so stark wie die "langsamen" reinen powerdrifts. Also man lenkt in einer Geschindigkeit ein, in der der Wagen beginnt von alleine instabil zu werden, und damit er nicht ins Untersteuern geht, lässt man mit einem kurzen Gasstoß an der Hinterachse den Grip abreissen und geht ins übersteuern. Damit bremst sich der Wagen sofort ab, und män hält mit Gas und Lenkung den Winkel und die Geschwindigeit konstant über die gesamte Kurve.

[LOTnickPL]

@alu57 Was it in Germany? I think that i saw green police car.

[alu57]

@LOTnickPL

yes, in southern bavaria

[tomcchilln]

your a pro

[baujahr90er]

really nice done, smooth and not even a bit hektik :D

[lSchwaggl]

Do you hit the brake at all when you do this or do you just let the icy road do all the work?

[maxdessureault]

wow ! you definitely know how to drive that car ! I'm a huge subaru fan for winter, awesome control in snow. my 2004 bmw 325i Is definitely not a good daily car for winter but always having a lot of fun with it !

[Towel1e]

Did you get on TV? :) 3:25

[cmanclan101]

Dont try this on public roads, and rwd/fwd cars dont work the same. Awd cars only, turn off slip controll/dsc or whatever your car has and you will slide. Never ever do it on public roads, no matter how many people there are. Go to a big parking lot with a few inches of snow. When you are first learning keep it under 20mph and just start doing circles or wide turns to get a feel for steering with the back sliding.

[weewheels24]

balls off steel, one wrong move and your fucked.... somehow i dont see a part 2 in the future, i foresee yet another mangled m3!...

[666HR]

Very precise ans smooth drift

[adnb77]

Great Driving Skills! Great Car...Beautifull balance!

[AlinkoZV]

HELL YEAH! Thats why I love my BMW!!!

[imafirinmalaser]

I LOVE THE SCENERY! My goodness! Look at the snowcovered trees! :O

[kaszlarz20]

summer tires?

[alu57]

@kaszlarz20

summertires??? With 100km/h on snow??? I love to have fun, but I´m not stupid!

[BONZO17full]

@alu57 What engine is it?? Is a five two five TDS???

[alu57]

@BONZO17full it´s a 535i

[MultiQuater]

i like this @ 1:46 - 1:48 :D

[kensai69]

Awesome...you got some serious balls!

[mercedesmaniac]

great driving but why are you alone, take friend and share the fun :D:D

[viper2788]

my parents say i shouldnt drive in the snow... they have no idea

[invad3r1987]

@viper2788 Haha! Same story here! They couldn't imagine where I dissappeared for a whole day on every snowy day :)

Damn, I miss my Lada! That was the ultimate car for snow drifting!

[kemzi]

What the meaningless comment? "Dont try this, if you are not experienced in this" ... how else can a driver to gain experience, than simply to "try this"?

[alu57]

@kemzi

I mean with the comment in the video: "don´t try this on a public road in 3rd gear unless you´ve successfully practiced it 100 times on a closed track before, as I did in Finland"

[gentil79]

@alu57 and a motosport fan knows that Finns know how to drive.

[TopiAS06]

@gentil79 Yes we can :D

[elitec5r]

@alu57 though generally, I'd agree with you. Some of the best race car drivers in the world developed their skills on the street.

(no that does not mean go do this in traffic). Doing this in an environment where there isn't traffic, or where you can seek help in case anything happens would be best. Tracks aren't as commonplace as politicians/police would like to assume. That too, many wouldn't allow drifting. You'd get kicked out in a heartbeat.

[mmhmmlala]

this just looks fun

[Thecorrupation]

I have a question...how do get over a fear of crashing a car? :D Ive been crashed twice once it was rolled over (: and i also broke my right arm.

[AlinkoZV]

@Thecorrupation U cant thinking of crashing ur car :-P U have to think only on good things! Believe me, it works fuck yeah!

[hoezi18]

Echt sehr schön kontrolliert fahre selber ein 525i ein echtes spaßmobil im winter.

[ChemicBob]

Wunderbar, kontrolliert, sauber. Sieht man hier nicht oft. Welchen Motor hast du drin? Originalfahrwerk?

[alu57]

@ChemicBob

535i 6zyl., chip (ca 235 PS), Bielsteinfahrwerk (vergleichbar dem M-Technik Fahrwerk), Winterreifen.

Danke für den schönen Kommentar!

[ShaboZZ88]

@ChemicBob aber bei 5:55min das ist ziemlich knapp mit dem entgegenkommenden auto :D

[alu57]

@ShaboZZ88

nein, sieht nur so aus. ich hab ihn lange vor der Kamera gesehen und gewartet bis ich safe war mit dem nächsten Gasstoß ;)). Leute, ich bin kein Hasardeur!

[CokiTCA]

Does it have LSD ? I guess not ... (for everyone who don`t know what LSD is , its Limited Slip Differential)

[alu57]

@CokiTCA

no lsd ;)

[gedsscheisn]

@alu57 Bist sicher?

mein 525tdsa hatte eins.der drift sah genauso aus.

nette fahrt übrigens. ein bisschen wenig rauf und runter gehts leider oder hab ich handbremseneinsatz bergab wo übersehen...

schade, war ein super gerät.

[pepekg]

Huaaa...hupsala :) Great

[UncleTod1]

nice drivin , traiy it in a e32 sometime. i had an e34 first but then i fell in love with the e32... and now i got 3 of them from 3.5l to 50l.

in my opinion they are the best cars bmw ever build.

[StarsMarsRadio]

You say don't try this, if you are not experienced in this. But how can you be experienced in this without trying it?

[alu57]

@StarsMarsRadio

I mean "don´t try this on a public road in 3rd gear unless you´ve successfully practiced it 100 times on a closed track before, as I did in Finland"

[StarsMarsRadio]

@alu57 I know, I just wanted to make a point. This is really hard to do with my e30. Short wheelbase =}

[Mrjaguarpaw1]

Good control bud

[deejaytommmi]

what is this omg :D

[Thejoo444]

Fantastic bit of driving

[monstermiataman]

This is how I learned to drive except it was in a 02 cobra with a stage 2 clutch that was a bit interesting mustangs have pretty clumsy gear boxes

[Fotznlegga]

Am Irschenberg?

[alu57]

@Fotznlegga

ja, am Irschenberg ;))

[stuntevie]

you sir, are crazy and know how to drive !

[tankslapper]

Me thinks the guy in the oncoming car may have pooped a little around 5:55. Nice driving!

[ghidon88]

what model of e34 is this? 520i with 150hp, or 530i?

[alu57]

@ghidon88 it´s a 535i ´89

[ghidon88]

thx:), what urban consumption have? 14 liters/100km in town?

[alu57]

@ghidon88 I don´t drive the car in my town. I only use it to reach some destinations on the country: 10,8 ltrs average.

[ghidon88]

@alu57 is a very good consum:), what consum have a 520i e34 with 150hp?

[alu57]

@ghidon88

that depends. I have no idea ;))!

[DANATRINGWOOD]

3:25 looks like a news crew of some sort looks like u see there van aswell

[alu57]

@DANATRINGWOOD yes the news crew came to film the jam on the highway under the bridge caused from the blizzard.

[mrawesomedriver]

beautiful surroundings+BMW+skilled driving = amazing video

[liberoegrullo]

That's all good... But!

If you suddenly have to stop your car because behind a curve there is an obstacle?

Better to drift in a road closed! ;-)

[Mamsaturatdevoi]

@liberoegrullo Good luck finding one.That's like saying "Stop drifting".There is nowhere else where you could do this.The track is out of the question and about the closed road thing...I for one have no idea of such roads in my country.You can't have a single good feeling in this world which is risk free;live with it :)

[ivantnt26]

whats that word for your driving ? ...mmm oh yea AMAZING !

[lanster00]

in the wet and snow driving/drift line counts and the weather gives you 500hp with plastic tires feel. good for learners to get used to counter steer, but its best to get on a track in dry weather and have a crack.

[VladBlok28]

very nice driving!

[WeWantAGreencard]

4:18 is a good one :)

[badmelon18]

war das ein Kamera Team bei 3:24? Und Polizei und Feuerwehr?

[alu57]

@badmelon18 ja, wegen dem Schneechaos auf der Autobahn unter der Brücke

[feat8]

I want my 6:46 back of my life :(

[alu57]

@lucifer9243

getting stuck with winter tyres? No, never.

If yes, there are two facilities:

1. if you have some time: leave the car with your camera and make pictures of the beautiful landscape till the tow-car comes.

2. if you have no time: find some heavy stones or something similar, put them in your trunk and get out of the snow.

[BAR1918m4a3]

@alu57

the second facility would work only with RWD cars

[alu57]

@BAR1918m4a3

More weight on the axle is good for grip in any way, as long as the axle is powered ;))

[BAR1918m4a3]

@alu57

truth :)

[iSteroidss]

Where is this video filmed at?

[gatizzz]

One wrong move and you are in the tree.

[alu57]

@gatizzz : That applies for every second of driving a car. But if you drift you need more concentration than a normal driver, and thats an advantage actually ;)). I had all my real scary moments not when I was drifting but when I was having a "normal" drive. It´s true!

[xXShadowRejectsXx]

good video!

[NobleJun4]

your flicking the steering wheel and then hitting the throttle at the last second and counter steering beautiful :) have you ever tried on roads that arent slick? thats when it gets hard

[1Gr8ttime]

How do you know how much throttle to apply when drifting; and at 4:00 the car wanted to fight you a little. How did you know it would do that?

[alu57]

@1Gr8ttime @1Gr8ttime

applying the throttle is a matter of experience - and a matter of how big your balls are ;)).

At 4.00 I didn´t expect the car fighting me: those are the moments when you experience whether you got the real control or not. I was very glad that my reflexes were as fast as the car.

[Mylovelycars]

You are a good driver! What model is it? 535? M5? It sure isnt a 518..

[alu57]

@Mylovelycars

it´s a 535i with a chip

[loverdagg]

the guy should let it rip

[catamaita]

ok...i cant say you are not a good driver but dont feel cockye....when i was 18 i was driving like this....i hear this out in winter time no matter how good you are and confindent if you hit ice on the road your gone...you dont have no steering no nothing...once again what you are doing is not that big of a deal....be carrefoull beacause you might be too confident

[alu57]

@catamaita

hey, my randy times are long ago, I´m 53 ;)) I love snow driving, but I´m careful es well. Don´t worry!;))

[Urbainken]

This is how an E34 should be driven, and no other way!

[zuendappbergsteiger]

Sieht gut aus :) das würd ich auch gern können :P

Aber son 535i kommt ja auch schon schön von unten raus :P

Was für Winterreifen sind drauf? Wundert mich das er noch vorne kaum ausbricht :P :)

[alu57]

@zuendappbergsteiger

ganz normale Winterreifen, vredestein snowtracks. Ja das vorne ausbrechen oder untersteuern ist gefährlich. man muss beim einlenken genau erspüren, was das auto macht, ob es dem lenkeinschlag folgt. wenn nicht, muss man mit einem beherzten gasstoss den grip an der hinterachse reduzieren, damit übersteuern einsetzt und man die kontrolle über das auto wiedererlangt.

[alu57]

@zuendappbergsteiger

...geht auch mit Handbremse, ist aber langweiliger... ;)))

[Mr330d]

@alu57 how are you mean't to get experianced at it without "trying it" then you just where born knowing how to give oppisite lock? clap clap

[alu57]

@Mr330d

I learned drifting on closed tracks in Finland with Porsche Cars. There I´ve got my experiences. Thats the meaning ;)

[Mr330d]

@alu57 i ain't saying you can't drift clearly you can i'd happily sit in the car while your drifting knowing i wont be picking my teeth up from some wall...

[Gustavvo933]

great film :)

[bmw97charlie]

1. You av balls

2. i would of shit mysef and got out the car ont he first coner and walked lol

3. you remained calm even on the black ice u cant see :)

[sshlord]

good video... and the driver is very good.

[FormulaDGoSpeedGo]

I enjoyed this vid alot. Really relaxing beautiful place there.

[styler1993myler]

rwd is the best you can say what you want awd is good for climbing hills but not for fun ;)

[alu57]

Drifting on a dry road is very brutal to the car, and - actually - my 535i is not really strong enough for a smooth kind of doing that. In 2nd gear and cold tyres I can do it with my car (230hp) for some corners, but then the tyres are hot and there is to much grip for a smooth drift. You need about 300hp or more, you need a limited slip diff (LSD), and you need money for tyres ;)).

[GlLITClH]

@alu57 or you can wait till it rains

[1Gr8ttime]

@alu57

I'm wondering how you know how much throttle to apply when drifting. Also, how you counter-steer at 4:00; if you didn't react for the second portion do you think you would've lost control? It would be helpful to hear an explanation from a good driver.

[lovinlyfe4dub]

Why not drift on dry roads?Or is that not an 540i M5?

[iwansondzieckoboga]

great control !

[111luboss111]

today is snowing and i´m going to do some drifts with my 535i because you inspired me, i´m very excited haha :-D

and great video

[sanjinred]

And be able to stop in time is not carcontrol? You cannot drift around something in front of you. Maybe YOU can defy God and break the laws of physics with drifting. My point is: Public roads man! Go to the ring and have fun there instead.

[sanjinred]

I do this shit on closed roads in Norway where you don't have to be able to stop in time and I drive with spikes which are allowed here and in that speed you're not able to stop in time, even with spikes. You may try to avoid but you can't stop. That's my point, but still you've found the cars balancepoint ;)

[alu57]

@sanjinred

Hey, drifting is not as far as driving straight. Do you know why Rallyedrivers are drifting, though its not the fastest way to drive? Because drifting means more control than going staight. Because going straight can lead to understear, and THAT would be the real shit in a corner with trees behind ;)

[alu57]

@alu57

edit: ...not as FAST as...

[7477860]

@alu57

genau so sehe ich das auch! sehr gutes video, vor allem die schnellen passagen find ich sehr geil. wenigstens hast du ne kamera, die auch im hellen was aufnimmt. meine videos vom tag sind bisher immer viel zu verblendet durch den ganzen schnee. aber die nachtaufnahmen haben ja zum glück geklappt.... ;-)

[sanjinred]

And he almost T-bones the car on 6:00 into an innocent car.

[alu57]

@sanjinred

That´s not true: I saw the car coming, waited until it was out of danger, then went into drifting ;)

[sanjinred]

One thing is to drift. The other thing is to stop in time if something apperas on the road, and he would never be able to do that. Stupid driving on public roads.

[alu57]

@sanjinred

You obviousely don´t understand drifting. Learning to keep a car under control going sideways on snow makes you very sensitive to every sort of danger. People who didn´t ever experience how to control a car on snow are much more risk! If you watch my videos here you will see that I never go sideways before I made sure that there is no oncoming traffic. And I can tell you:there were some big moments in my life when somebody oncoming made a mistake and we survived due to my skills;))

[KingSams0n]

@alu57 Nevertheless this won't stop physics do their part.

Such dir nen abgelegenen Platz oder sowas, mache ich auch immer, ist weniger stressig.

Viel Platz, keine gefahr für dich selbst und besonders andere und einige Leute bleiben immer stehen um zuzuschauen ;)

[alu57]

@KingSams0n

Ja du meinst diese Supermarktparkplätze oder Kreisverkehre etc, alles 2. Gang Geschichten für mal kurz spektakulär querstehen.

Nein Leute, das ist eine andere Welt! Ich brauche die Strasse, die 3. und 4. Gang Passagen, die vorgegebenen Kurvenradien, mit Bäumen daneben, wie eine Rallyestrecke. Allerdings fahre ich nicht auf Zeit, sondern auf Spass! Das heisst ich achte auf Gegenverkehr und gehe nicht das "letzte" Risiko ein.

[DemkVan]

we need all drivers in USA to know how to drive.. dam!

[persempre91]

Geiles Video! Alles schön kontrolliert nicht so wie in manch anderen Videos auf Youtube!

[cof44]

Nice vid! Thanks!

[finerdetailer]

das es winterreifen sind, konnte ich mir schon denken xD

wollte den genauen namen.

gutes händchen hast du

[alu57]

@finerdetailer

Ich weiss es nicht mehr, ich glaube das waren Vredestein Snowtrack, 60er auf 15-Zöllern, nichts Besonderes ;)

[finerdetailer]

welche reifen waren drauf?

[alu57]

@finerdetailer

Nachdem ich diese Frage schon 10 mal beantwortet habe (hier nachzulesen), mal ne Gegenfrage: Was gleubst du mit was für Reifen man hier in Deutschland (Spikes scheiden also schonmal aus) mit zT über 100 km/h auf Schnee querfährt?

lg

[SpikeCvH]

You must be proud to be German in those cases. Not once did the mighty E34 oversteer. I must say that the driving is very pleasant. You, sir, really know how to drive. You make me miss mine, which I had to sell recently. Lucky you to drive in such conditions, I had to make the most of rain in the best of cases. Great vid, I really lived the drive, with the little frights and all ;) Have fun this winter, and keep it safe!

[nardmanman]

Oh my god that looks so much fun...I seriously miss snow drifting...easily hands down the funnest winter activity

[Mufasa503]

God, that really got me scared as shit, because, ive been on accident with a car what roll over about twice

[kaoshonen]

This, is why I love driving.

[MarkoTransporter]

@kaoshonen

This is Why We Love BMW !! :)

[Rew1nd]

@kaoshonen this is why i love e34 B25 in Winter ;)

[metalwasp]

slip'n'sliding in winter wonderland!

[elCzachorro]

i love winter. Nice job

[ALIVIETCONG]

3:32 ist das zoll oder polizei?

Und in der brücke ne Kamera?^^

[alu57]

@ALIVIETCONG

Die Polizei war da wegen Schneechaos auf den Strassen (also die Bedingungen wo ich rausfahre und meine Videos mache;), und die Kamera war TV am Irschenberg ;))

[ALIVIETCONG]

@alu57 ahsoo danke^^

[simonistfett]

schönes video! ich glaub nach dem 2ten versuch würde ich schon am Baum kleben.. :P

Bist du schonmal in Situationen gekommen an denen du dachtest woa das wars oder das Auto ist hin? :D

[alu57]

@simonistfett

Ich hatte einen Reifenplatzer mit 230 auf der Autobahn A9 bei Hilpoltstein (trocken, schönes Wetter), ausgangs einer langen Kurve. Der Wagen wurde instabil, so wie auf Eis, aber ich konnte ihn mit kleinen ruhigen Korrekturen darin hindern, sich zu drehen, man darf bei so einem Tempo allerdings nicht den kleinsten Fehler beim Gegenlenken machen, sonst verliert man das Auto. Das hätte ich ohne mein Winter-Training nie geschafft. Es war wohl meine Gesellenprüfung ;))

[Santicek007]

GREAT VIDEO !!!

[1PoisonZone1]

I think all drivers should do this for practice :P Its good exercise ^^

[BobrDrob]

I also love it!! The problem is that in places where i live they cover roads with some crap, which makes snow look like Mud+Snow.... So I only have 2-3 days per winter when I can make fun...

So, what do you think of e34 handling? I own an old e36, but am going to exchange it to e34. People here says e34 is a "cow on the ice"... But according to your video - things are not too bad:)

Anyway, very nice video!!

[alu57]

@BobrDrob

I bought another e34 535i this year, cause I love this car, and the handling is perfect, if you have good suspension (I use Bielstein B12). But I also have only one or two days a winter to make such video, cause they always remove snow from the road immediately. I hate that ;)). So I cannot practice drifting as I would like to. I learned it in Finnland with Porsche cars, and thats much fun, maybe I post some more videos of that.

[BobrDrob]

@alu57 Ehh.. People do not understand, what is the truly cool driving (I mean that snow cleaners :) )

Forgot to ask - what tires do you use in this video? Are these regular, or special winter ones, or winter ones + spikes?

[alu57]

@BobrDrob

Spikes are not allowed in Germany: I use normal winter tyres as everybody else too

[kullsyreholdig01]

Nice driving, very smooth :) Videos like this make waiting for winter a little bit less tedious! As others here have asked I'm curious, does your car have an LSD?

[alu57]

@kullsyreholdig01 

no LSD

[DriftXperience27]

@alu57 whats lsd?

[alu57]

@DriftXperience27

LSD is a Limited Slip Differential, zu deutsch Diffenrentialsperre

[DriftXperience27]

@alu57 iight thanks. and hopefully u can make a drifting video this winter!

[Flowrazornapalm]

schönes Bayern in Schnee eingehüllt^^ schön quer gegangen

[warlockbass]

It honestly takes so much feel and precision to do this kind of thing. I wish it snowed here. I can get similar results in the rain in 2nd but I can't break the wheels loose in 3rd in my 525i

[alu57]

@warlockbass

I wouldn´t try to go sideways in 3rd gear on rainy public roads unless I tried it on a racetrack!

[THEvampgenocide]

@warlockbass i can do burnouts on dry roads no problem in 4th gear in my camaro... so i doubt drifting in 3rd would be much problem expecially if its raining...

[7674Princess]

I LOVE it!!!!!

[darenzy]

It's so nice to have a rwd on snow... I must always pull a hand brake with my a3 :)

[prduricandr]

a;; i want to noe is did u have an lsd if yu do is it 1.5 or 2way and ans or no abs

[bigdash86]

This car is without a LSD??? damn still cool))) i got a 1990 E34 525i M50B25NV with LSD. Last winter was really fun, but when i had to daily drive it, it was a bit sweaty for me))) but it was fun anyways. Great driving by the way!!!

[pkim87]

beautiful scenery.. what part of germany is this?

[alu57]

@pkim87

It´s southern bavaria, round the Irschenberg

[awaxakins]

is this an 89? im just wondering cause thats the old non airbag steering wheel like they had in the e28. right? please tell me

[alu57]

@awaxakins: yep it´s an 89. But I didn´t know that they use this steering wheel in the e28 ;))

[onabreeze]

I have a 525i mtech low profiles i doubt it will do that cool vid looks a nice place to live.

[Baladanger]

Beautiful...Amazing Skill...:)

[kemsjems]

almost lost it 2.26

[Krozi545i]

Amazing car control!

[ReusableEarplugs]

sehr gutes video. perfekte straße, kaum autos, nicht zu übertrieben gedriftet. ich freue mich schon auf meinen ersten e34 winter in ein paar monaten ;-)

[Platonbond]

I think that is "iX" with all-wheel drive !?

[alu57]

@Platonbond :

no, normal rear wheel drive without lsd

[warlockbass]

@Platonbond they didn't make a four wheel drive e28 to my knowledge. at least not in america.

[likedigweed]

WOW !!! you are a real driver

[vlady957]

The sterring wheel looks nice I wounder if you can put a 2001 sport sterring wheel on the e34 540i?????

[LeClassique]

Very precise, quite fast, and quite safe! You are good driver, the smooth and slow truning of the steering wheel, ensures that you eliminate the risk of nasty surprises to minimum, well done!

[Tomorrow5O]

what e34 is it? 525, 530 manual, 535?

[unlearn15]

great driving, but i especially love the view. wish i lived there!

scheiß sprittpresie...1.52€

man wird mcih in 3 jarhen auslachen-.-