He is one of the greatest geniuses of our time. I now understand more deeply why western society has been actively moving to marginalize the Humanities.
A moneyless,classless,stateless communities of humanity expressing our freedom in creative harmonious cooperation for a world that is so POTENTIALLY AND ACTUALLY nourishing. Capitalism in any form, Statist or Corporatist is the denial of our common humanity in a politically manipulated,tyrannical armed MARKET SYSYTEM of artificial scarcity that is designed to perpetuate the enslavement of immense humanity for material interest of the criminal ruling elite.
I just finished my first book of his; flight from freedom. I'm impressed by Fromm's broad scope on things. Definately going to read other tiltes of his. Thanks for sharing the vid.
@VarietyandTruth For some reason I can't vote your comment up, but good for you! When you deny any part of the self, you inevitably deny the totality of your being. Kudos for doing the hard work to revise your life!
@reziztanze when is your next Birch Society gathering???? dont worry western society is destroying itself quite efficiently without any outside help ....on your point re selling their books in the capitalist system,,you then would have great misgivings about western co's setting up offshore operations and tendering for contracts in communist regimes.
You see, he and Mike were discovered joined at the brain at birth. When the decision was made by the parents to separate the babies, the surgeons discovered that they only had one brain to work with. Since Mike was already a better developed baby than brother Chris, they decided to let the child with the best chance of life keep the brain. Cont. on next post...
he is ahead of his time. global financial crisis is because of too much of Having and not of Being. we were warned , we just didnt listen..and will never will
You are absolutely right it will be nothing more then a wastage of time but when you bow only with in mind that you are doing this for your one GOD who created you this beautiful and MUHAMMAD(s.a.w) is his last Prophet after Jesus (peace.b.u.h) and if your heart is free from all worldly desires like your girlfriend or money i don't know you feel something really especial in your heart which i cannot explain you, your heart is in some state and you start crying with love..
Oh, c'mon! You are just showing your true colors. "the current society will never 'facilitate' individualism". This convesation concerned itself with the conceptual wrongheadedness of Fromm's Marxist-centric project, as one instrumentally flawed. Much to your dismay, democracy is an experiment in the making. The FF's project would have had to abrogate much in the way of self-dermination and autonomy, certainly with the emphasis on centralized planning and the suborning of the individualistic.
the tools and confidence to fight human evil and force it into the light of rational scrutiny; possibly giving us more control over our destiny. I am in my early 20's so perhaps I am naive and will learn of the pessimistic quality of his work when im middle aged. I respect your views and you sound like an intelligent guy so we will agree to disagree I guess.
Many thanks for posting this. Fromm has an impressive grasp of what truly leads to happiness. His understanding of experiencing God, for one thing, is far better than many so called religious people.
It's not technology he's critizicing, but the fact that technology has dominated us in every way: the fact that we are no more but a part of a machinery and that we see and treat each other as objects aswell. The point is that most of the things that surround us are meaningless, therefore so is life and at the end of the day we all feel unsatisfied and alone.
@phoboscuatro Yeah, this is pretty much consistent with the kind of "all or nothing" thinking that pervades Marxist thought. Its surprising, and dumbfounding, that people still conceive of class as in the static manner that Marx conceived of same. Understanding how class identification in present-day America presents itself, one is forced to confront the glaring omissions and comissions of Fromm's Marxian, psychoanalytically informed, project. His is a pessimism of the individualistic.
@whiff1962 He is pessimistic of the individual because he spent an entire career studying the dark side of humanity. Searching for empirical evidence on why men have had such a difficult time getting along with other men. And you say pessimism like its a bad thing. When someone is confronted with the cold hard truth of the human condition, and spends their life studying the insane ways that man have tried to hide themselves from acknowledging this truth it must be hard to be Mr. positive.
@paintedturtle As a trained psychoanalyst, Fromm was inclined to conceptualize the human condition in a rather "black and white" fashion, especially in the manner that Fromm conceived of the interplay of the social forces, as befits a Marxist inspired, social engineer. I see very little of the "humanistic" in Fromm; what I do see is a weltanshauung that is much contrived and impractical. Fromm cared nothing about the "human condition". Moreover, Fromm's moral stance was that of arch coercer.
I think that your focus on the Marxist tendencies in his thought is keeping you from admiring his insights into human nature which, thanks to their depth, courage, and explanatory power transcends any debate about the merit of Marxist ideology in post-Freudian psychoanalytical theory. His academic development into pessimism was not based on politics or a moral stance based on his reaction to the dehumanizing effects of a capitalistic culture. It was a genuine reaction to his study of human
@paintedturtle No, I don't admire him because his is a view that runs counter to my views of an open society. Western culture to him is like a patient on a couch; he was, after all, a psychoanalyst by training, and fundamentally anti-individualistic by credo.
@paintedturtle One cannot escape Fromm's Marxist holisms. I read all of his major published works, when in my early twenties. It is no coincidence that he holds such appeal to anti-capitalist and anti-western readers. Real courage doesn't present itself in such a cynical, tolalistic "science of man", but instead, presents ilself in defending a free and open society against the blandishments of such Utopian, Marxist social engineers, in the likes of Fromm. He is neither relevant nor practical.
@whiff1962 Just so you know I am not a Marxist, and am from San Diego California-not Europe. The truth is I don't know where I lie on the political spectrum. But I do know that whether Fromm was an anti-individual, anti-capitalist, anti-western, anti-open society or not does not diminish the importance of his studies into the heart of men. His work is hopeful because he looked full face at the worst of human nature and tried to explain it in empirical terms; thus giving future generations the
@paintedturtle You say Fromm thinks in black and white? Look what you are doing, saying he is anti anti anti. Is thinking in terms of pro- and anti- not black and white?
@whiff1962 nature and is the honest and critical reflection of a man brave enough to face the tough realities humanity has been cowering from for its entire history. His thought still left room for hope though. It is cynicism that precludes any room for hope, not pessimism. And his "pessimism" actually has much hope in it I think.
@paintedturtle Then you are saying that Fromm is "guardedly optimistically"? In Eric Fromm's case, there is no room for hope in his psychoanalytic take on western culture, and what ails it.
He traffics in the "dialectic" of, as you say, mankind's entire history of "cowering" (suggestive of your outlook on the "human condition", no doubt influenced by the Marxist notion that the social determines man?) I must disagree with you (and Fromm), on the political and social precepts and particulars.
@whiff1962 "no room for hope" That is YOUR interpretation of his work. Get that through your head. Your interpretations are not what his work is. Do you understand that?
@paintedturtle What of the triumphs of western culture, to have lifted itself to such heights? Your vulgar Marxism is really passe and jejune. You must be a European Socialist who likes his life to be centrally planned beforehand. What drivel!
@paintedturtle "Searching for empirical evidence on why men have had such a difficult time getting along with other men" And what possibly would Fromm propose be done about this aspect of human nature? The motives and aims of Fromm were per force undemocratic, anti-individualistic, and Utopian in scale. Moreover, such a restructuring of society worked well in other proletariat revolutions, right? Who, in turn, would conceive of, and impliment, such sweeping changes, for the betterment of all?
I read all of Fromm's major titles when I was in my twenties, and very much turned on by a Cosmopolitan Liberalism. Fortunately, I got older and wiser to the ways of socialist statist apologetics. Let us not be mistaken, Dr. Fromm was of the Frankfurt School, in principle a Leftist clique. The views of the FS was in many ways antithetical to any notion of the individual, as the language of the Collective (social organism)is faithful to the FS's socialist inspired critique.
@paintedturtle Well, certainly it isn't always prudent to kill the messenger. However, you fail to see that his vision of a "healthy" society is more in line with one that is engineered by people as himself. It is one thing that you bear witness to what he says in this interview, its quite another to then conceive of the kind of world such thinking would engender. Prof. Fromm's aim, as was the FS's, was to dumb down Marxism for the masses, and to give it greater appeal. It worked on you.
Prof. Fromm, as a socialist-leaning, psychoanalytic toad, is being a complete hypocrite in regards to his critique of "the system" (democratic society), as one that leaves no option for individual engagement! What of his social scientific project? Would he, in a practical sense, trust the individual as autonomous and self-determining? I think not. Dr. Fromm, by dint of his socio-political convictions, and his pessimism as psychoanalyst, would foreclose such notions of a free and open society.
@whiff1962 "free and open society" That is the main assumption of your argument. That assumption is false. We are not free and open now, nor will we ever be. It is an impossible state.
@whiff1962 If you want full individualistic liberty then you have to GET OUT of society. Society cannot facilitate individualism and peace at the same time. It will only work when the system is redesigned to facilitate. Fromm's thinking is in the direction of such a redesign, such as an RBE.
The current society will never facilitate individualism and peace.
@NihilistChrist Democracy, for a short history lesson, is an experiment in the making. I am not looking into any crystal ball and twirling my orbs. I am simply calling it as I see it. Professor Fromm took a rationalist's view of society, as Marx would have set forth in his "scientific socialism". The Enlightened thinkers of the FS were closer to French Republican ideals of liberty and freedom-and decidedly statist. What the FS advocated was psychoanalytic claptrap; more so ivory tower criitque.
The evolution of recent human history has been dominated by minority control over the majority, the rulers have come up with nessesary illusion for compliance and servitude of the many, Science and technology has created a world of plenty, but the market mechanism is about artificial scarcity to perpetuate poverty and exploitation in a modality of war,enviornmental destructions,animal cruelty and so on . The new paradigm is sharing the Earth for our collective needs and wellbeing
Capitalism is the wage slavery of immense humanity in a politically manipulated MARKET SYSTEM of artificial scarcity and manipulation to perpetuate the conditions of servitude and exploitation of the working people in the interest of the owning/ruling elite. Capitalism is historically outdated,dangerous destructive ,dehumanising and devaluing all and everything in its insatiable,nomadic rampaging of profit . Capitalism is evil
This is not only happening to people in America but to people in the whole world. It is the great threat that globalization brings with it: Humans become more like machines, lose all emotion and walk around zombies, bereft of life and humanity.
Okay, so people make mistakes. People are always going to make mistakes. This is ineveitble. But the fool is the man who points fingers. The hero is the man that lives his life as an example. Who truly lives what he believes. And this is much harder to do rather than to sit in your chair and point fingers at people.
Capitalism the wage slavery of immense humanity in a politically manipulated,tyrannical,destructive market mechanism of artificial scarcity to perpetuate poverty and exploitation in the interest of the ruling CAPITALIST CLASS. for Erich Fromm capitalism is a process of dehumanisation,devaluation and alienation of humanity in a market-place of commodity production for profit and humanity becoming the means rather than the end . We need to share the Earth for our common needs and wellbeing.
@EusebioPharezZerah World working class organisation, a democratic majority movement to SHARE THE EARTH IN COOPERATION FOR OUR COMMON NEEDS AND WELL BEING, a moneyless,classless,stateless communities of humanity transcending the false,destructive limits of CAPITALISM
@EusebioPharezZerah Well, we live the world capitalim and the issue we face and opportunities to deal is global, we have no other option, One world One humanity in cooperation to take care of our needs and well being in harmony and wisdom, Utopian vision is the beginning and when the awareness is shared change happens rather quickly, meanwhile take care of your health emotionally,intelectually, physically and be positive otherwise you shall be one more victim of the profit system.
@arzoyan It all sounds great!!! But is it really that great? Maybe idealistically, its awfully too romantic, anyways there is always a structure in any culture, their will always be a form of hierarchy like it or not, to be able to compromise so many people to and idea even if is for the good of all is a totalitarian idea.
@Eusebi We live the totalitarianism of Capitalism ,the ruleof money over human life is total and destructive.ITS YOU WHO IS idealistic and living in lie,deception,manipulation. get a clarity of what you say dont be little parrot.
@arzoyan I never said anything like that?...but not only you found the right path, youre also able to read peoples mind, you are so sure of your believe like if it was a matter of faith!!! I do live in a lie, deception, ect...who doesn't, but falling into another lie, decption, ect...would make me a parrot!!!
@arzoyan But all this rhetoric speeches you give, for the "common good of all" I dont doubt your "good intentions" but its all just too mesianic...you preach of eschatological events, less preachy stick to the real bro!!!
@svcs Capitalism is the historic evolution of private property relationship of alienation,exploitation and suffering of humanity in a modality of commodity production for abstract process of capital accumulation and concentration . A system of wage slavery in a employment system of suppression and dehumanistion. We need to transcend this false limits to our creative cooperative energies for a moneyless,classless,stateless communities of humanity expressing our energies in freedom of being.
@arzoyan You sum it up in an awe-inspiring way.. The naivity of people who fail to see the gargantuan divides within classes and society that brings humanity into conflict and suffering.. The earth is all of ours, we are born free and individuals not to be controlled by oppressive government that looks to support big business and wealth.. We have to rise above the elite and unite as a race, the human race born to grace this earth with our presence for a short while to live in a free utopia!
@asmodeus and the idiots who agree with transhumanist freaks:
make sure you don't come to Erich Fromm videos if you think people who agree with him believe in "mystical crap". There is nothing mystical in finding HUMANE ways to solve things, but there is something sickeningly atrocious in believing in a race of robots coming to do things better for us.What assholes the ones giving him credit for empty nonsense and 0 arguments just ad homs spewing bullshit to discredit mine without debating.
libertits, this is the second time I see your comments in different videos and I have to tell you... you are one foul-mouthed, very troubled individual. You spread more hate than an ultra-conservative far right nut. Good thing is you are not reproducing.
@ftsmmviii I agree. But you shouldn't single out only far-rightists as violent. Far-leftists are equally dangerous. See the Oscar-nominated documentary, "Waco, The Rules of Engagement" for a keen example, if you consider former-President Bill Clinton a liberal, as most do.
@8s8lw8d Exactly my point, check her channel or comments. When I said "ultra-conservative far right nut" I meant to use it as an extreme example, like saying "far left tree-hugger, pot-smoking unrealistic nut". I don't care about the Clintons, Bushes or Obamas. They are all politicians.
If in fact, free market were being practiced, there would be no government interference, then they would abolish the biggest government interference: geo-political borders. If so, they could abolish all of the social welfare state, and people from all over the world could compete freely, for as long as there are borders, competition is not clean.
If people in the West were superior, they wouldn't be scared of someone else taking their jobs away, since they wouldn't be hired in the 1st place.
We ALREADY live in a world no one wants to live in, since most of its population has nothing to eat.
A social darwinist shark world, with pseudo free market:
"kleptocracy, whereby those in positions of influence use their time in office to maximize their own gains, always ensuring that any shortfall is made up by those unfortunates whose daily life involves earning money rather than making it. At all costs, therefore, the one principle that must not operate is the principle of accountability"
What the HELL do you call a world where there is a teeny tiny financial elite impeding the economic growth of the rest of the population of the world? Is this not cannibalistic? I'm sorry, but the short-sightedness of your comment is astounding. I hope you reach some sort of cognitive dissonance and snap out of the paradox you just fell into, which is ridiculously obvious.
Oh no, I don't agree with that.. I think we're on the same boat.
Less regulation is like drinking the same kind of poison that made you sick in the first place, like wanting to expand the cancer.. This is exactly to what Fromm refers to in another interview as Sadism from part of these consumerist brainblocked self-righteous psychos called libertarians.
I believe Fromm was an influence of Chomsky.. What's more, Chomsky came to Germany to receive last month the Erich From Prize haha .
It's amazing that Mike Wallace interviewed Ayn Rand and Erich Fromm within the same year, when they are diametrically the opposite. Obviously Rand was an instrument for the elite to become richer, a pseudo philosopher more like a marketing strategy.
I like a lot of what the libertarian left proposes, but I am skeptical , I only know that things have to change.
Good question! I don't think there's enough space to answer here, though I am skeptical about all
I'm glad I got you into the Real News, it's really the best and I assure you they are real, considering that no other American news outlet has covered the Honduran coup as they did and I am a witness that everything they reported was true. They completely earned my trust because i was able to confirm that they are probably the only news media outlet out there reporting on the side of the people..
The fact that the universe is empty and there is no such thing as god, doesn't mean that life is empty and meaningless or that you live an empty life, or better yet, replace it with that of a robot.
Western civilization was born from cooperation. It borrowed many things from many other cultures. Politicians and people interested in keeping the status quo are simply making it look like if it was European and US people alone who built all this. The world is now a locked caste system.
Morals are ideas to live with each other, they are human creativity, not something biologically determined. Humanity always changed with their use of creativity, now we limit the system to exclude all traits except the ones that keep the system the way it is, status quo.
To say that a human is a biological machine, hence it doesn't make a difference if there are machines taking over is a logical fallacy. More "intelligent" and "stronger" are relative to natural habitat, not human culture.
I would also like to know how am I contradicting myself in making a difference between human creativity, being irreplaceable, as in morals, which are human solutions to live with each other done through the chemical process of thinking and humans being biological machines?
It was humans who created robots and have this irreplaceable ability, not the other way around. Thinking otherwise is mystical bullcrap.
No, you think it's mystical bullcrap and you're not the most intelligent person on this world, so your stance doesn't have to be correct. However, judging by what you write you seem to think of yourself that you are always right in everything you say, which is a very arrogant attitude.
I'm not the most intelligent person in the world, but I'm trying to get at the root of problems because it is this system the one that works in an arrogant and narcissistic way. Its parts are a goal of itself and of the robber barons at the top. It's anthropocentric. Not only many people get sick as a symptomatic reaction against the system's deep flaws, but also nature shows symptoms of heading towards disaster, is enough to show that human creativity has to work again to change it.
Resources are not unlimited. If most populations inthe world were educated, it would be a way to stop overpopulation.
I might not be right, but that doesn't mean that I am not trying to look for the right answers in what history has shown.
This system uses self-interest as its main drivel and the self-interest of a few in having profits at the expense of nature and other countries, shredding all it encounters. continues, then sometime the big crunch will start: global warming, terrorism, etc.
This society and system is focusing on traits of self destruction, and leaving out the traits of cooperation observable in every species. People who want to keep this system and justify the conservation of these traits and exclusion of others,, will come up with arguments such as it being "evolutionary fate": Animals are predators, it is precisely intelligence that made humans overcome eating each other.
It's funny that listening to him feels as if he had given this interview yesterday. All the things he says are still so revelant. I wonder whether that means, that we, humans, have always been like that and nothing is ever going to change? Will our societies always be constructed this way?
Well, maybe, there's no other way and all we can do is to accept the absurd of our lives just as it is.
Not really. He admitted society has really made steps forward, but that it can be better. He's PRECISELY saying that you shouldn't accept things as they are, then we reach stagnation and there is no progress, lack of creativity. If we let this conformism, numbness, lethargy get us accept the depraved as "normal" and habitual, then we simply reach defeatism, fatalism, and help society to reach stagnation by irresponsible inaction. I'm not talking about economic, but about human development.
Libertis, I like your way of thinking, I used to think like that, but I'm afraid Fromm was wrong. When you look at Evolutionary Psychology you find out, that there are some traits that are common to us on every level of our evolution and there are some that have changed but not due to our conscious choice but simply natural reaction to the changes in our environment. If that's the case, there is no reason in being non-conformistic if you're a healthy normal person.
Normality is something relative, it does not have definite parameters.
If we are evolving into robotic human beings, then I see self-destruction very possible. Our cultural evolution is much faster than any natural evolution physical or psychological can be, and it is also very manipulative, especially when reading its apologists, who want you to accept the dehumanization. It is a fact that psychological diseases are rising and rising as a defence mechanism towards this dehumanised system.
Of course conformism is necessary, but that doesn't mean that there are developments in our society that are bound to make people sick. Technological changes happen within one generation, you cannot say that the human mind can adapt to that and evolve so fast to deal with that.
Also, if you are a social darwinist, avoid answering me please.
What do you mean by 'being a social darwinist'? We cannot choose ideas, when sth is already settled. Modern science tells that humans are just biological machines and what can I do with that? I don't like it, I'm a humanist that used to believe that human feelings (like love) are more than just some biochemical reactions in our brains. Thinking otherwise is neglecting scientific consensus.
Yes, we are biological machines. I have read Dawkins, but I am sure that even for him what you claim in relation to human changes to the environment (not natural changes, but cultural) is ridiculous, because no man can adapt to changes that occur within less than one generation, this is all manipulation turning people into robotic-like beings.
Also, there is no thing as "German ethnicity", this is simply some of the things that show that you are a Social Darwinist.
Neither evolutionary biology nor social biology are "settled sciences", they are proto-sciences. I cannot "like" or "dislike" nothing of what these two proto sciences are developing . I am not talking here about feelings, ideas, nor anything like that , which are indeed chemical processes, but I am sure that these people study where aggression come, like Fromm studied sadism, in order to overcome it. Evolution is not a moral theory. Don't change the topic.
According to Evolutionary Psychology aggression is a very good thing (in many social aspects). For instance, men with higher testosterone levels are more agressive, but they are better sporstmen as well. Also, more aggressive enterpreneurs score better results. I'm a person that always disliked aggression and so far it brought me more problems than anything. So, being a non-aggressive person isn't any advantage whatsoever.
The question is not whether being a non-aggressive person is an advantage or not. It is if you want to live in a society where aggression is an advantage. Hitler placed two soldiers to fight for a higher post. If calculations are not wrong, this society is heading towards self-destruction if it continues to work this way: The Last Man.
@libertits: Well, in my opinion our society heads towards creating a sth similar to Matrix. We've becomes slaves of our own technology - technology is meant to help humans no more, nowadays humans are meant to fit into new technological reality. A new being (most likely an android) will probably arise and when it'll become self-conscious and able to reproduce itself without human help than humans will become completely useless. New race of robots will probably be stronger and more intelligent.
I can agree with the fact we're becoming slaves of our technology(and people are much more robotic without being robots), but I don't agree with there being a new race of robots that will be more stronger and intelligent, they will not be organic, not human and this will mean a real destruction of human kind . This is science fiction and it is pretty sick. Now I know why you say we are inevitably "evolving". I don't think biological determinism is possible, unless you have a political agenda.
Creating robots that would destroy human race isn't science fiction. It is a possiblity. There are many scientists who want to create a robot thinking like human and that's just one step before creating a robot that would be even better than human being in any respect. Bill Joy used to write about these matter a lot. Look up "Why the future doesn't need us?" to better understand my point.
It is a possibility, not a fate, hence I refuse to accept it and I am not going to stand by and watch it happen nor anyone tell me that it is the "unavoidable destiny". It is only rational to protect humans as a species in its whole.
"Better"? You don't get it, do you? More fit to this society? Probably, but better in every possible habitat, I doubt it, unless you are ethnocentric, i.e. think of Western culture as the ultimate peak of human civilization.
Being human and being for human beings not transhumanism and this marketing culture does not make anyone a "far left freak". The problem is that there are too many far right freaks promoting transhumanism, neoliberalism, wars, survival of the fittest, saying that aggressive entrepeneurs are the fittest in a society, promoting lethargy and making others believe they should accept the robotic, inhuman as something natural and "unavoidable", guided or instructed evolutionary change, even forced.
As far as my knowledge goes, it was Labour, not Conservative party that made British society more lethargic. Usually it's the left wing that is anti-traditional concept of humanity, it's the left wing that promotes genetic manipulation, common abortion, how people should raise their children, etc. Modern left is very similar to fascists.
Anyway, I don't believe in left-right continuum, it's old-fashion dogma. Nowadays political parties are identical
Saying that it is the left wing that promotes mostly fascism, is already a very biased, dogmatic belief, when people from any ideology can do this. In my experience it has been mostly the right, mostly trying to get rid of the left. Fascism was born as a reaction against communism, and since most of the world is capitalist, it is them the one who most promote it in a world scale.
I don't agree with utilitarian principles like genetic manipulation, but I think you are generalizing too much.
The left wing does not promote anti-traditional concepts of humanity, it is just that it counters the already traditional concepts of humanity, that are not necessarily humane. This is relative.
Although you are right about parties, I don't think they are the ones to trust, the peoples should just grow aware and promote policies, laws, not parties.
So you shouldn't come to a youtube video of a "far left" freak like Erich Fromm, if you don't want to stumble upon others like that, but you see, it's obvious that you are coming to these places precisely because you counter his view of things. Propaganda, marketing, persuades the human to take a way, this is not natural selection, this is artificial selection and others are made to believe that it is like that to apologize exploitation and colonialism.
Racism, what racism? I'm sorry to find out that you are not a person to have intellectual discussions with. You agree that we are biological machines, yet you claim it doesn't have anything to do with morality, while indeed it does. Moreover, you deny scientific consensus, but you show no contra-arguments. It's better for us to discontinue this discussion. It leads absolutely nowhere. Have a nice evening, sir. :)
This is a strawman's argument. I am not saying that being biological machines have nothing to do with morality, I am saying that natural evolution does not imply a model of morality to follow.
As far as scientific racism goes, this is not a scientific consensus nor a widely approved theory. If you do have counter-arguments to show that this is a settled science, then I would advice you that instead of making accusations, you would provide a counter argument that proves it is not pseudo science.
@libertits:The problem is that I haven't mentioned anything about scientific racism or any other kind of racism at all. You were the one who put it in my mouth. You probably saw my channel description, when I explained that my parents were German, but I was raised in Poland and have Polish citizenship and you mystreiously implied that I must be a rasist just because I use words like "ethnicity". By doing that you sound like some far-left freak, not like a reasonable person.
I admit that I used an ad hominem argument with that, the problem is that you are doing the same by calling me a "far-left freak".
Looking at all the damage being done and hearing people tell others who notice this and don't accept it that everything is biologically determined and that we should only admit our absurd existence, exactly in an Erich Fromm video is what makes me think you are promoting some sort of apology for this and things like exploitation, wars, dehumanisation.
No, sir, you are wrong. I didn't call you a freak, I just stated that by assuming someone is a racist just because he uses some words which are deemed as controvertial by Political Correction propaganda you sound like one. ;)
And I'm not promoting anything. I just think we actually are helpless. I used to be a Libertian, but when I see what is becoming out of EU (more and more bureaucracy, gradual elimination of any alternative concepts of integration) I had to give up my belief in freedom.
I think technology makes the world a desolate soulless place.A world where everybody is connected to the web but disconnected from each other.Technology has created a lot of luxuries which we don't need and which we can live without. And overall the technology has destroyed community and freedom. Everything is formal nothing is true anymore.
Read a little more than just post-modern / nihilist non-philosophy before talking about "society" because all your really doing is projecting your own bad childhood experiences onto others and the world.
@alk222111000 That may be but unless it's "soulessness" infringes on you ability to practice freedom of speech, share you ideas and learn from others there is no clear and present danger. The problem arises when people don't really undestand thos concepts to begin with, somone who grew up with the internet for instance.
I have no idea why so many people approved of your post. I do not care for the "primitivist" part of your post. I do however care about the elitist part. The fact that you or anybody else can say what a luxury is. Because aside from the very basic stuff needed for survival, EVERYTHING else is a luxury we don't really need - music, board games, literature, poetry, cinema, etc. It's terrifying to me that someone out there thinks he can define what other people do or do not need.
@alk222111000 I'm sure you realize that YouTube, as well as your comment on YouTube, would be impossible without the very technological development you just cursed. I hasten to add that it's hard to imagine the development of one technology in isolation from others. If you embrace one technology, such as the Internet, it is hard to imagine how you could consistently shun the overall context of technological advancement. I can only assume you did not really mean what you wrote here.
I love him more than any other psychologist. I have read him and he is awesome. I'm studying psychology in the UNAM and I heard that he was teacher there. I'm sorry I can't meet him.
What of the implications of such a weltanshauung? You obviously have no conception of the Frankfurt School's project, as Marxist-centric, and anti-western. Fromm was no friend of man; he was a psychoanalyst, whose views of the human condition were veiled in the pseudo-science of Marxist psychoanalytic claptrap. The FS's "humanistic" social engineering did not nor could not conceive of the "piecemeal" social engineering of a democratic society, only that of a Utopian, anti-individualistic one.
@whiff1962 wow you are going wild on this video.let me tell you this,even though he may have been somewhat of a socialist he wasnt really a socialist and everything but an admirer of what has ben known as socialism in the last 100 years.he may have quoted marx a few times and many of his theories have been nothing but theories but i highly doubt that 90 percent of so called socialist would never link him to their ideology...
Mr.Mikezephyr, you should study up on Karl Marx before making such ridiculous and untrue statements about him. And judging from your previous comments it would seem that you have read very little of Erich Fromm as well.
The Vatican-Pope-Jesuits-illuminati run the world. they have all the judges, attorneys, doctors, major corporations, etc. all in their back pocket. bought & paid for, etc. our country is no longer FREE -we live in tyranny! truth an obscure thing, Oppression & lie is the norm. Were all SLAVES- our masters, the elite, r at least 50 years ahead of us in knowledge, technology, info., secrets & r using all of it AGAINST US!
but i bet you're memorized patter will say that this was a ruse to trick the gullible becuase marx was secretly an orthodox jew that drank the blood of gentile babies.
He is one of the greatest geniuses of our time. I now understand more deeply why western society has been actively moving to marginalize the Humanities.
JimBowie1133 2 months ago
this accually clashes with ayn rands philosophy
Bluedash3r 3 months ago
love these interviews
ale189251 3 months ago
Thanks so much for posting this.
99hoolio 6 months ago
Thanks for posting.
logotrix 6 months ago
A moneyless,classless,stateless communities of humanity expressing our freedom in creative harmonious cooperation for a world that is so POTENTIALLY AND ACTUALLY nourishing. Capitalism in any form, Statist or Corporatist is the denial of our common humanity in a politically manipulated,tyrannical armed MARKET SYSYTEM of artificial scarcity that is designed to perpetuate the enslavement of immense humanity for material interest of the criminal ruling elite.
arzoyan 7 months ago
It amazes me that such things used to appear on popular television.
hern8 7 months ago
I just finished my first book of his; flight from freedom. I'm impressed by Fromm's broad scope on things. Definately going to read other tiltes of his. Thanks for sharing the vid.
thomazz2000 7 months ago
hitler jews
z0rgz0rg 8 months ago
i felt the same way when i was selling life insurance.. thatnk god i gave it up
VarietyandTruth 8 months ago
@VarietyandTruth For some reason I can't vote your comment up, but good for you! When you deny any part of the self, you inevitably deny the totality of your being. Kudos for doing the hard work to revise your life!
hermanl1 8 months ago
@reziztanze when is your next Birch Society gathering???? dont worry western society is destroying itself quite efficiently without any outside help ....on your point re selling their books in the capitalist system,,you then would have great misgivings about western co's setting up offshore operations and tendering for contracts in communist regimes.
mugwamp4 10 months ago
@mugwamp4Fromm and the rest of his kind have destroyed western civilisation. Yes, communism and capitalism are different sides of the same coin.
The Frankfurt School ideology has been let lose to destroy western civilisation.
reziztanze 10 months ago
@reziztanze i would add Chicago School of Economics and the likes of Strauss and Kristol to that list..
mugwamp4 10 months ago
Erich Fromm a talmudic scholar. enough said!
glower125 11 months ago
Brother Chris was given the brain of a recently dead lab baboon as a consolation, they never expecting that the little boy would actually "make it".
Well, Little Chris proved everybody wrong, including president Clinton.
beemrdon52 1 year ago
Do not dis-respect Chris Wallace.
You see, he and Mike were discovered joined at the brain at birth. When the decision was made by the parents to separate the babies, the surgeons discovered that they only had one brain to work with. Since Mike was already a better developed baby than brother Chris, they decided to let the child with the best chance of life keep the brain. Cont. on next post...
beemrdon52 1 year ago
Correction: Wallace was on ABC TV back then.
beemrdon52 1 year ago
CHRIS Wallace would probably have his head explode if HE interviewed someone like this.
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whiff1962 1 year ago
he is ahead of his time. global financial crisis is because of too much of Having and not of Being. we were warned , we just didnt listen..and will never will
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You are absolutely right it will be nothing more then a wastage of time but when you bow only with in mind that you are doing this for your one GOD who created you this beautiful and MUHAMMAD(s.a.w) is his last Prophet after Jesus (peace.b.u.h) and if your heart is free from all worldly desires like your girlfriend or money i don't know you feel something really especial in your heart which i cannot explain you, your heart is in some state and you start crying with love..
and i pray rarely
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TouristsFromHell 1 year ago
Thank you so much for sharing this! This is one of the great things of Youtube. Where else could we today still see this interview. Awesome! :)
reddragonready 1 year ago
Oh, c'mon! You are just showing your true colors. "the current society will never 'facilitate' individualism". This convesation concerned itself with the conceptual wrongheadedness of Fromm's Marxist-centric project, as one instrumentally flawed. Much to your dismay, democracy is an experiment in the making. The FF's project would have had to abrogate much in the way of self-dermination and autonomy, certainly with the emphasis on centralized planning and the suborning of the individualistic.
whiff1962 1 year ago
9:43 Mike Wallace makes the Pyramide. Saying that it might be hard to be felt in this..
CarstenDam 1 year ago
the tools and confidence to fight human evil and force it into the light of rational scrutiny; possibly giving us more control over our destiny. I am in my early 20's so perhaps I am naive and will learn of the pessimistic quality of his work when im middle aged. I respect your views and you sound like an intelligent guy so we will agree to disagree I guess.
paintedturtle 1 year ago
Many thanks for posting this. Fromm has an impressive grasp of what truly leads to happiness. His understanding of experiencing God, for one thing, is far better than many so called religious people.
ManACanadian 1 year ago
It's not technology he's critizicing, but the fact that technology has dominated us in every way: the fact that we are no more but a part of a machinery and that we see and treat each other as objects aswell. The point is that most of the things that surround us are meaningless, therefore so is life and at the end of the day we all feel unsatisfied and alone.
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@phoboscuatro Yeah, this is pretty much consistent with the kind of "all or nothing" thinking that pervades Marxist thought. Its surprising, and dumbfounding, that people still conceive of class as in the static manner that Marx conceived of same. Understanding how class identification in present-day America presents itself, one is forced to confront the glaring omissions and comissions of Fromm's Marxian, psychoanalytically informed, project. His is a pessimism of the individualistic.
whiff1962 1 year ago
@whiff1962 He is pessimistic of the individual because he spent an entire career studying the dark side of humanity. Searching for empirical evidence on why men have had such a difficult time getting along with other men. And you say pessimism like its a bad thing. When someone is confronted with the cold hard truth of the human condition, and spends their life studying the insane ways that man have tried to hide themselves from acknowledging this truth it must be hard to be Mr. positive.
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whiff1962 1 year ago
@paintedturtle As a trained psychoanalyst, Fromm was inclined to conceptualize the human condition in a rather "black and white" fashion, especially in the manner that Fromm conceived of the interplay of the social forces, as befits a Marxist inspired, social engineer. I see very little of the "humanistic" in Fromm; what I do see is a weltanshauung that is much contrived and impractical. Fromm cared nothing about the "human condition". Moreover, Fromm's moral stance was that of arch coercer.
whiff1962 1 year ago
I think that your focus on the Marxist tendencies in his thought is keeping you from admiring his insights into human nature which, thanks to their depth, courage, and explanatory power transcends any debate about the merit of Marxist ideology in post-Freudian psychoanalytical theory. His academic development into pessimism was not based on politics or a moral stance based on his reaction to the dehumanizing effects of a capitalistic culture. It was a genuine reaction to his study of human
paintedturtle 1 year ago
@paintedturtle No, I don't admire him because his is a view that runs counter to my views of an open society. Western culture to him is like a patient on a couch; he was, after all, a psychoanalyst by training, and fundamentally anti-individualistic by credo.
whiff1962 1 year ago
@paintedturtle One cannot escape Fromm's Marxist holisms. I read all of his major published works, when in my early twenties. It is no coincidence that he holds such appeal to anti-capitalist and anti-western readers. Real courage doesn't present itself in such a cynical, tolalistic "science of man", but instead, presents ilself in defending a free and open society against the blandishments of such Utopian, Marxist social engineers, in the likes of Fromm. He is neither relevant nor practical.
whiff1962 1 year ago
@whiff1962 Just so you know I am not a Marxist, and am from San Diego California-not Europe. The truth is I don't know where I lie on the political spectrum. But I do know that whether Fromm was an anti-individual, anti-capitalist, anti-western, anti-open society or not does not diminish the importance of his studies into the heart of men. His work is hopeful because he looked full face at the worst of human nature and tried to explain it in empirical terms; thus giving future generations the
paintedturtle 1 year ago
@paintedturtle You say Fromm thinks in black and white? Look what you are doing, saying he is anti anti anti. Is thinking in terms of pro- and anti- not black and white?
NihilistChrist 1 year ago
@whiff1962 nature and is the honest and critical reflection of a man brave enough to face the tough realities humanity has been cowering from for its entire history. His thought still left room for hope though. It is cynicism that precludes any room for hope, not pessimism. And his "pessimism" actually has much hope in it I think.
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whiff1962 1 year ago
@paintedturtle Then you are saying that Fromm is "guardedly optimistically"? In Eric Fromm's case, there is no room for hope in his psychoanalytic take on western culture, and what ails it.
He traffics in the "dialectic" of, as you say, mankind's entire history of "cowering" (suggestive of your outlook on the "human condition", no doubt influenced by the Marxist notion that the social determines man?) I must disagree with you (and Fromm), on the political and social precepts and particulars.
whiff1962 1 year ago
@whiff1962 "no room for hope" That is YOUR interpretation of his work. Get that through your head. Your interpretations are not what his work is. Do you understand that?
NihilistChrist 1 year ago
@paintedturtle What of the triumphs of western culture, to have lifted itself to such heights? Your vulgar Marxism is really passe and jejune. You must be a European Socialist who likes his life to be centrally planned beforehand. What drivel!
whiff1962 1 year ago
@paintedturtle "Searching for empirical evidence on why men have had such a difficult time getting along with other men" And what possibly would Fromm propose be done about this aspect of human nature? The motives and aims of Fromm were per force undemocratic, anti-individualistic, and Utopian in scale. Moreover, such a restructuring of society worked well in other proletariat revolutions, right? Who, in turn, would conceive of, and impliment, such sweeping changes, for the betterment of all?
whiff1962 1 year ago
Straight from Marx's scientific socialism
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whiff1962 1 year ago
I read all of Fromm's major titles when I was in my twenties, and very much turned on by a Cosmopolitan Liberalism. Fortunately, I got older and wiser to the ways of socialist statist apologetics. Let us not be mistaken, Dr. Fromm was of the Frankfurt School, in principle a Leftist clique. The views of the FS was in many ways antithetical to any notion of the individual, as the language of the Collective (social organism)is faithful to the FS's socialist inspired critique.
whiff1962 1 year ago
@whiff1962 I don't care what he is, i still think what he's saying here is close to the truth of our current situation
paintedturtle 1 year ago
@paintedturtle Well, certainly it isn't always prudent to kill the messenger. However, you fail to see that his vision of a "healthy" society is more in line with one that is engineered by people as himself. It is one thing that you bear witness to what he says in this interview, its quite another to then conceive of the kind of world such thinking would engender. Prof. Fromm's aim, as was the FS's, was to dumb down Marxism for the masses, and to give it greater appeal. It worked on you.
whiff1962 1 year ago
Prof. Fromm, as a socialist-leaning, psychoanalytic toad, is being a complete hypocrite in regards to his critique of "the system" (democratic society), as one that leaves no option for individual engagement! What of his social scientific project? Would he, in a practical sense, trust the individual as autonomous and self-determining? I think not. Dr. Fromm, by dint of his socio-political convictions, and his pessimism as psychoanalyst, would foreclose such notions of a free and open society.
whiff1962 1 year ago
@whiff1962 "free and open society" That is the main assumption of your argument. That assumption is false. We are not free and open now, nor will we ever be. It is an impossible state.
NihilistChrist 1 year ago
@whiff1962 If you want full individualistic liberty then you have to GET OUT of society. Society cannot facilitate individualism and peace at the same time. It will only work when the system is redesigned to facilitate. Fromm's thinking is in the direction of such a redesign, such as an RBE.
The current society will never facilitate individualism and peace.
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whiff1962 1 year ago
@NihilistChrist Democracy, for a short history lesson, is an experiment in the making. I am not looking into any crystal ball and twirling my orbs. I am simply calling it as I see it. Professor Fromm took a rationalist's view of society, as Marx would have set forth in his "scientific socialism". The Enlightened thinkers of the FS were closer to French Republican ideals of liberty and freedom-and decidedly statist. What the FS advocated was psychoanalytic claptrap; more so ivory tower criitque.
whiff1962 1 year ago
alk222111000 ahhh the irony
badzona 1 year ago
The evolution of recent human history has been dominated by minority control over the majority, the rulers have come up with nessesary illusion for compliance and servitude of the many, Science and technology has created a world of plenty, but the market mechanism is about artificial scarcity to perpetuate poverty and exploitation in a modality of war,enviornmental destructions,animal cruelty and so on . The new paradigm is sharing the Earth for our collective needs and wellbeing
arzoyan 1 year ago
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Capitalism is the wage slavery of immense humanity in a politically manipulated MARKET SYSTEM of artificial scarcity and manipulation to perpetuate the conditions of servitude and exploitation of the working people in the interest of the owning/ruling elite. Capitalism is historically outdated,dangerous destructive ,dehumanising and devaluing all and everything in its insatiable,nomadic rampaging of profit . Capitalism is evil
arzoyan 1 year ago
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javiesau 1 year ago
This is not only happening to people in America but to people in the whole world. It is the great threat that globalization brings with it: Humans become more like machines, lose all emotion and walk around zombies, bereft of life and humanity.
SaintBroken 1 year ago
Okay, so people make mistakes. People are always going to make mistakes. This is ineveitble. But the fool is the man who points fingers. The hero is the man that lives his life as an example. Who truly lives what he believes. And this is much harder to do rather than to sit in your chair and point fingers at people.
ameriCAN3008 1 year ago
Wow!
rubygoes 1 year ago
AAAAAAAAH! A European with a brain!
Lets Teabag him!
Diosibundo 1 year ago
@Diosibundo LMAO
kdawgfoeva 1 year ago
Capitalism the wage slavery of immense humanity in a politically manipulated,tyrannical,destructive market mechanism of artificial scarcity to perpetuate poverty and exploitation in the interest of the ruling CAPITALIST CLASS. for Erich Fromm capitalism is a process of dehumanisation,devaluation and alienation of humanity in a market-place of commodity production for profit and humanity becoming the means rather than the end . We need to share the Earth for our common needs and wellbeing.
arzoyan 1 year ago 24
@arzoyan So, what can we do about it?
EusebioPharezZerah 1 year ago
@EusebioPharezZerah World working class organisation, a democratic majority movement to SHARE THE EARTH IN COOPERATION FOR OUR COMMON NEEDS AND WELL BEING, a moneyless,classless,stateless communities of humanity transcending the false,destructive limits of CAPITALISM
arzoyan 1 year ago
@arzoyan It sounds utopic and unreal, not that it can't be possible, but in what way do you think this could be done...?
EusebioPharezZerah 1 year ago
@EusebioPharezZerah Well, we live the world capitalim and the issue we face and opportunities to deal is global, we have no other option, One world One humanity in cooperation to take care of our needs and well being in harmony and wisdom, Utopian vision is the beginning and when the awareness is shared change happens rather quickly, meanwhile take care of your health emotionally,intelectually, physically and be positive otherwise you shall be one more victim of the profit system.
arzoyan 1 year ago
@arzoyan It all sounds great!!! But is it really that great? Maybe idealistically, its awfully too romantic, anyways there is always a structure in any culture, their will always be a form of hierarchy like it or not, to be able to compromise so many people to and idea even if is for the good of all is a totalitarian idea.
EusebioPharezZerah 1 year ago
@Eusebi We live the totalitarianism of Capitalism ,the ruleof money over human life is total and destructive.ITS YOU WHO IS idealistic and living in lie,deception,manipulation. get a clarity of what you say dont be little parrot.
arzoyan 1 year ago
@arzoyan I never said anything like that?...but not only you found the right path, youre also able to read peoples mind, you are so sure of your believe like if it was a matter of faith!!! I do live in a lie, deception, ect...who doesn't, but falling into another lie, decption, ect...would make me a parrot!!!
EusebioPharezZerah 1 year ago
@EusebioPharezZerah No personal isult was meant, just its so tyring to face a mass hypnosis,mind control,delusions and sheer stupidity.
arzoyan 1 year ago
@arzoyan But all this rhetoric speeches you give, for the "common good of all" I dont doubt your "good intentions" but its all just too mesianic...you preach of eschatological events, less preachy stick to the real bro!!!
EusebioPharezZerah 1 year ago
@arzoyan i agree
232323C 1 year ago
@arzoyan in short, Fromm is a comunist trumpeter !!
svcselso 7 months ago
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@svcs Capitalism is the historic evolution of private property relationship of alienation,exploitation and suffering of humanity in a modality of commodity production for abstract process of capital accumulation and concentration . A system of wage slavery in a employment system of suppression and dehumanistion. We need to transcend this false limits to our creative cooperative energies for a moneyless,classless,stateless communities of humanity expressing our energies in freedom of being.
arzoyan 7 months ago
@arzoyan You sum it up in an awe-inspiring way.. The naivity of people who fail to see the gargantuan divides within classes and society that brings humanity into conflict and suffering.. The earth is all of ours, we are born free and individuals not to be controlled by oppressive government that looks to support big business and wealth.. We have to rise above the elite and unite as a race, the human race born to grace this earth with our presence for a short while to live in a free utopia!
ebartram5 7 months ago 5
I would go to my channel then playlist and learn more
johnydubz 1 year ago
@asmodeus and the idiots who agree with transhumanist freaks:
make sure you don't come to Erich Fromm videos if you think people who agree with him believe in "mystical crap". There is nothing mystical in finding HUMANE ways to solve things, but there is something sickeningly atrocious in believing in a race of robots coming to do things better for us.What assholes the ones giving him credit for empty nonsense and 0 arguments just ad homs spewing bullshit to discredit mine without debating.
libertits 1 year ago
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Diosibundo 1 year ago
libertits, this is the second time I see your comments in different videos and I have to tell you... you are one foul-mouthed, very troubled individual. You spread more hate than an ultra-conservative far right nut. Good thing is you are not reproducing.
ftsmmviii 1 year ago 4
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I know! She's sexy isnt she? Meow!
Diosibundo 1 year ago
@ftsmmviii I agree. But you shouldn't single out only far-rightists as violent. Far-leftists are equally dangerous. See the Oscar-nominated documentary, "Waco, The Rules of Engagement" for a keen example, if you consider former-President Bill Clinton a liberal, as most do.
8s8lw8d 7 months ago
@8s8lw8d Exactly my point, check her channel or comments. When I said "ultra-conservative far right nut" I meant to use it as an extreme example, like saying "far left tree-hugger, pot-smoking unrealistic nut". I don't care about the Clintons, Bushes or Obamas. They are all politicians.
ftsmmviii 7 months ago
Fromm tiene férreos seguidores y encarnizados detractores, pero para conocer mejor su pensamiento, el conejito
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Visita la página de Playboy México para leer más sobre éste encuentro
editoresLyrsa 2 years ago
If in fact, free market were being practiced, there would be no government interference, then they would abolish the biggest government interference: geo-political borders. If so, they could abolish all of the social welfare state, and people from all over the world could compete freely, for as long as there are borders, competition is not clean.
If people in the West were superior, they wouldn't be scared of someone else taking their jobs away, since they wouldn't be hired in the 1st place.
libertits 2 years ago
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If true "Free Markets" were being practiced you'd end up with a world no one would want to live in. Like Road Warrior with cannibals.
Diosibundo 1 year ago
We ALREADY live in a world no one wants to live in, since most of its population has nothing to eat.
A social darwinist shark world, with pseudo free market:
"kleptocracy, whereby those in positions of influence use their time in office to maximize their own gains, always ensuring that any shortfall is made up by those unfortunates whose daily life involves earning money rather than making it. At all costs, therefore, the one principle that must not operate is the principle of accountability"
libertits 1 year ago
What the HELL do you call a world where there is a teeny tiny financial elite impeding the economic growth of the rest of the population of the world? Is this not cannibalistic? I'm sorry, but the short-sightedness of your comment is astounding. I hope you reach some sort of cognitive dissonance and snap out of the paradox you just fell into, which is ridiculously obvious.
libertits 1 year ago
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Whooooaaahh... easy there Libertits!
Bring it down a notch.
I agree with the teeny financial elite part. Are you saying LESS regulation of these financial elites would make things better?
Diosibundo 1 year ago
Oh no, I don't agree with that.. I think we're on the same boat.
Less regulation is like drinking the same kind of poison that made you sick in the first place, like wanting to expand the cancer.. This is exactly to what Fromm refers to in another interview as Sadism from part of these consumerist brainblocked self-righteous psychos called libertarians.
libertits 1 year ago
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Yep. We're on the same boat. I think we just crossed messages there.
I just discovered Fromm's "Escape From Freedom" through Blumenthal's "Republican Gomorrah"!
A lot of what Fromm is saying sounds an awful lot like Chomsky!
Diosibundo 1 year ago
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I believe Fromm was an influence of Chomsky.. What's more, Chomsky came to Germany to receive last month the Erich From Prize haha .
It's amazing that Mike Wallace interviewed Ayn Rand and Erich Fromm within the same year, when they are diametrically the opposite. Obviously Rand was an instrument for the elite to become richer, a pseudo philosopher more like a marketing strategy.
I like a lot of what the libertarian left proposes, but I am skeptical , I only know that things have to change.
libertits 1 year ago
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What are you skeptical about in the libertarian left?
By the way, I just discovered Real News Network thru your Channel, thanks for that!
Diosibundo 1 year ago
Good question! I don't think there's enough space to answer here, though I am skeptical about all
I'm glad I got you into the Real News, it's really the best and I assure you they are real, considering that no other American news outlet has covered the Honduran coup as they did and I am a witness that everything they reported was true. They completely earned my trust because i was able to confirm that they are probably the only news media outlet out there reporting on the side of the people..
libertits 1 year ago
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Yeah, the Honduran coup. What a disgrace that Hillary is.
Hey... where is Kiribati?
Diosibundo 1 year ago
The fact that the universe is empty and there is no such thing as god, doesn't mean that life is empty and meaningless or that you live an empty life, or better yet, replace it with that of a robot.
Western civilization was born from cooperation. It borrowed many things from many other cultures. Politicians and people interested in keeping the status quo are simply making it look like if it was European and US people alone who built all this. The world is now a locked caste system.
libertits 2 years ago
Morals are ideas to live with each other, they are human creativity, not something biologically determined. Humanity always changed with their use of creativity, now we limit the system to exclude all traits except the ones that keep the system the way it is, status quo.
To say that a human is a biological machine, hence it doesn't make a difference if there are machines taking over is a logical fallacy. More "intelligent" and "stronger" are relative to natural habitat, not human culture.
libertits 2 years ago
I'm sorry, but you stated that people are bilogical machines and feelings like love ire just biochemical reactions in our brains yourself. ;)
asmodeus585 2 years ago
And I'm proud to be an ape ;)
libertits 2 years ago
I would also like to know how am I contradicting myself in making a difference between human creativity, being irreplaceable, as in morals, which are human solutions to live with each other done through the chemical process of thinking and humans being biological machines?
It was humans who created robots and have this irreplaceable ability, not the other way around. Thinking otherwise is mystical bullcrap.
libertits 2 years ago
No, you think it's mystical bullcrap and you're not the most intelligent person on this world, so your stance doesn't have to be correct. However, judging by what you write you seem to think of yourself that you are always right in everything you say, which is a very arrogant attitude.
asmodeus585 2 years ago
I'm not the most intelligent person in the world, but I'm trying to get at the root of problems because it is this system the one that works in an arrogant and narcissistic way. Its parts are a goal of itself and of the robber barons at the top. It's anthropocentric. Not only many people get sick as a symptomatic reaction against the system's deep flaws, but also nature shows symptoms of heading towards disaster, is enough to show that human creativity has to work again to change it.
libertits 2 years ago
Resources are not unlimited. If most populations inthe world were educated, it would be a way to stop overpopulation.
I might not be right, but that doesn't mean that I am not trying to look for the right answers in what history has shown.
This system uses self-interest as its main drivel and the self-interest of a few in having profits at the expense of nature and other countries, shredding all it encounters. continues, then sometime the big crunch will start: global warming, terrorism, etc.
libertits 2 years ago
This society and system is focusing on traits of self destruction, and leaving out the traits of cooperation observable in every species. People who want to keep this system and justify the conservation of these traits and exclusion of others,, will come up with arguments such as it being "evolutionary fate": Animals are predators, it is precisely intelligence that made humans overcome eating each other.
libertits 2 years ago
These ideas were stated much more articulately by carl marx and dostoyevsky. I don't really understand why this guy is so famous?
jonathanspan 2 years ago
It's funny that listening to him feels as if he had given this interview yesterday. All the things he says are still so revelant. I wonder whether that means, that we, humans, have always been like that and nothing is ever going to change? Will our societies always be constructed this way?
Well, maybe, there's no other way and all we can do is to accept the absurd of our lives just as it is.
asmodeus585 2 years ago
Not really. He admitted society has really made steps forward, but that it can be better. He's PRECISELY saying that you shouldn't accept things as they are, then we reach stagnation and there is no progress, lack of creativity. If we let this conformism, numbness, lethargy get us accept the depraved as "normal" and habitual, then we simply reach defeatism, fatalism, and help society to reach stagnation by irresponsible inaction. I'm not talking about economic, but about human development.
libertits 2 years ago
Libertis, I like your way of thinking, I used to think like that, but I'm afraid Fromm was wrong. When you look at Evolutionary Psychology you find out, that there are some traits that are common to us on every level of our evolution and there are some that have changed but not due to our conscious choice but simply natural reaction to the changes in our environment. If that's the case, there is no reason in being non-conformistic if you're a healthy normal person.
asmodeus585 2 years ago
Normality is something relative, it does not have definite parameters.
If we are evolving into robotic human beings, then I see self-destruction very possible. Our cultural evolution is much faster than any natural evolution physical or psychological can be, and it is also very manipulative, especially when reading its apologists, who want you to accept the dehumanization. It is a fact that psychological diseases are rising and rising as a defence mechanism towards this dehumanised system.
libertits 2 years ago
Of course conformism is necessary, but that doesn't mean that there are developments in our society that are bound to make people sick. Technological changes happen within one generation, you cannot say that the human mind can adapt to that and evolve so fast to deal with that.
Also, if you are a social darwinist, avoid answering me please.
libertits 2 years ago
What do you mean by 'being a social darwinist'? We cannot choose ideas, when sth is already settled. Modern science tells that humans are just biological machines and what can I do with that? I don't like it, I'm a humanist that used to believe that human feelings (like love) are more than just some biochemical reactions in our brains. Thinking otherwise is neglecting scientific consensus.
asmodeus585 2 years ago
Yes, we are biological machines. I have read Dawkins, but I am sure that even for him what you claim in relation to human changes to the environment (not natural changes, but cultural) is ridiculous, because no man can adapt to changes that occur within less than one generation, this is all manipulation turning people into robotic-like beings.
Also, there is no thing as "German ethnicity", this is simply some of the things that show that you are a Social Darwinist.
libertits 2 years ago
Neither evolutionary biology nor social biology are "settled sciences", they are proto-sciences. I cannot "like" or "dislike" nothing of what these two proto sciences are developing . I am not talking here about feelings, ideas, nor anything like that , which are indeed chemical processes, but I am sure that these people study where aggression come, like Fromm studied sadism, in order to overcome it. Evolution is not a moral theory. Don't change the topic.
libertits 2 years ago
According to Evolutionary Psychology aggression is a very good thing (in many social aspects). For instance, men with higher testosterone levels are more agressive, but they are better sporstmen as well. Also, more aggressive enterpreneurs score better results. I'm a person that always disliked aggression and so far it brought me more problems than anything. So, being a non-aggressive person isn't any advantage whatsoever.
asmodeus585 2 years ago
The question is not whether being a non-aggressive person is an advantage or not. It is if you want to live in a society where aggression is an advantage. Hitler placed two soldiers to fight for a higher post. If calculations are not wrong, this society is heading towards self-destruction if it continues to work this way: The Last Man.
libertits 2 years ago
@libertits: Well, in my opinion our society heads towards creating a sth similar to Matrix. We've becomes slaves of our own technology - technology is meant to help humans no more, nowadays humans are meant to fit into new technological reality. A new being (most likely an android) will probably arise and when it'll become self-conscious and able to reproduce itself without human help than humans will become completely useless. New race of robots will probably be stronger and more intelligent.
asmodeus585 2 years ago
I can agree with the fact we're becoming slaves of our technology(and people are much more robotic without being robots), but I don't agree with there being a new race of robots that will be more stronger and intelligent, they will not be organic, not human and this will mean a real destruction of human kind . This is science fiction and it is pretty sick. Now I know why you say we are inevitably "evolving". I don't think biological determinism is possible, unless you have a political agenda.
libertits 2 years ago
Creating robots that would destroy human race isn't science fiction. It is a possiblity. There are many scientists who want to create a robot thinking like human and that's just one step before creating a robot that would be even better than human being in any respect. Bill Joy used to write about these matter a lot. Look up "Why the future doesn't need us?" to better understand my point.
asmodeus585 2 years ago
It is a possibility, not a fate, hence I refuse to accept it and I am not going to stand by and watch it happen nor anyone tell me that it is the "unavoidable destiny". It is only rational to protect humans as a species in its whole.
"Better"? You don't get it, do you? More fit to this society? Probably, but better in every possible habitat, I doubt it, unless you are ethnocentric, i.e. think of Western culture as the ultimate peak of human civilization.
libertits 2 years ago
Being human and being for human beings not transhumanism and this marketing culture does not make anyone a "far left freak". The problem is that there are too many far right freaks promoting transhumanism, neoliberalism, wars, survival of the fittest, saying that aggressive entrepeneurs are the fittest in a society, promoting lethargy and making others believe they should accept the robotic, inhuman as something natural and "unavoidable", guided or instructed evolutionary change, even forced.
libertits 2 years ago
As far as my knowledge goes, it was Labour, not Conservative party that made British society more lethargic. Usually it's the left wing that is anti-traditional concept of humanity, it's the left wing that promotes genetic manipulation, common abortion, how people should raise their children, etc. Modern left is very similar to fascists.
Anyway, I don't believe in left-right continuum, it's old-fashion dogma. Nowadays political parties are identical
asmodeus585 2 years ago
Saying that it is the left wing that promotes mostly fascism, is already a very biased, dogmatic belief, when people from any ideology can do this. In my experience it has been mostly the right, mostly trying to get rid of the left. Fascism was born as a reaction against communism, and since most of the world is capitalist, it is them the one who most promote it in a world scale.
libertits 2 years ago
I don't agree with utilitarian principles like genetic manipulation, but I think you are generalizing too much.
The left wing does not promote anti-traditional concepts of humanity, it is just that it counters the already traditional concepts of humanity, that are not necessarily humane. This is relative.
Although you are right about parties, I don't think they are the ones to trust, the peoples should just grow aware and promote policies, laws, not parties.
libertits 2 years ago
So you shouldn't come to a youtube video of a "far left" freak like Erich Fromm, if you don't want to stumble upon others like that, but you see, it's obvious that you are coming to these places precisely because you counter his view of things. Propaganda, marketing, persuades the human to take a way, this is not natural selection, this is artificial selection and others are made to believe that it is like that to apologize exploitation and colonialism.
libertits 2 years ago
Scientific racism is not a settled science nor is scientific consensus.
libertits 2 years ago
Racism, what racism? I'm sorry to find out that you are not a person to have intellectual discussions with. You agree that we are biological machines, yet you claim it doesn't have anything to do with morality, while indeed it does. Moreover, you deny scientific consensus, but you show no contra-arguments. It's better for us to discontinue this discussion. It leads absolutely nowhere. Have a nice evening, sir. :)
asmodeus585 2 years ago
This is a strawman's argument. I am not saying that being biological machines have nothing to do with morality, I am saying that natural evolution does not imply a model of morality to follow.
As far as scientific racism goes, this is not a scientific consensus nor a widely approved theory. If you do have counter-arguments to show that this is a settled science, then I would advice you that instead of making accusations, you would provide a counter argument that proves it is not pseudo science.
libertits 2 years ago
@libertits:The problem is that I haven't mentioned anything about scientific racism or any other kind of racism at all. You were the one who put it in my mouth. You probably saw my channel description, when I explained that my parents were German, but I was raised in Poland and have Polish citizenship and you mystreiously implied that I must be a rasist just because I use words like "ethnicity". By doing that you sound like some far-left freak, not like a reasonable person.
asmodeus585 2 years ago
I admit that I used an ad hominem argument with that, the problem is that you are doing the same by calling me a "far-left freak".
Looking at all the damage being done and hearing people tell others who notice this and don't accept it that everything is biologically determined and that we should only admit our absurd existence, exactly in an Erich Fromm video is what makes me think you are promoting some sort of apology for this and things like exploitation, wars, dehumanisation.
libertits 2 years ago
No, sir, you are wrong. I didn't call you a freak, I just stated that by assuming someone is a racist just because he uses some words which are deemed as controvertial by Political Correction propaganda you sound like one. ;)
And I'm not promoting anything. I just think we actually are helpless. I used to be a Libertian, but when I see what is becoming out of EU (more and more bureaucracy, gradual elimination of any alternative concepts of integration) I had to give up my belief in freedom.
asmodeus585 2 years ago
his cough is funny...
alexhallmusic 2 years ago
The answer to all these problems of the individual not being able to represent oneself is answered by TECHNOLOGY! Read up on the singularity people.
Freedomain Radio
Come take part in the conversation! We are combining the efforts of rational/empirical thinkers like Mr. Fromm here and many others.
glopur0 2 years ago
Check out that website in the middle there. (Damn you youTube for attempting to censor us!)
glopur0 2 years ago
I think technology makes the world a desolate soulless place.A world where everybody is connected to the web but disconnected from each other.Technology has created a lot of luxuries which we don't need and which we can live without. And overall the technology has destroyed community and freedom. Everything is formal nothing is true anymore.
alk222111000 2 years ago 6
Read a little more than just post-modern / nihilist non-philosophy before talking about "society" because all your really doing is projecting your own bad childhood experiences onto others and the world.
glopur0 2 years ago
Experiences are everything.
alk222111000 2 years ago 2
@alk222111000 That may be but unless it's "soulessness" infringes on you ability to practice freedom of speech, share you ideas and learn from others there is no clear and present danger. The problem arises when people don't really undestand thos concepts to begin with, somone who grew up with the internet for instance.
jizzfish 1 year ago
I have no idea why so many people approved of your post. I do not care for the "primitivist" part of your post. I do however care about the elitist part. The fact that you or anybody else can say what a luxury is. Because aside from the very basic stuff needed for survival, EVERYTHING else is a luxury we don't really need - music, board games, literature, poetry, cinema, etc. It's terrifying to me that someone out there thinks he can define what other people do or do not need.
BourgeoisRomantic 1 year ago
@BourgeoisRomantic I'm with you.
wusundowma 1 year ago
@alk222111000 I'm sure you realize that YouTube, as well as your comment on YouTube, would be impossible without the very technological development you just cursed. I hasten to add that it's hard to imagine the development of one technology in isolation from others. If you embrace one technology, such as the Internet, it is hard to imagine how you could consistently shun the overall context of technological advancement. I can only assume you did not really mean what you wrote here.
wusundowma 1 year ago
@alk222111000 ahhh the irony of your internet statement.
badzona 1 year ago
I love him more than any other psychologist. I have read him and he is awesome. I'm studying psychology in the UNAM and I heard that he was teacher there. I'm sorry I can't meet him.
BeGoUu1972 2 years ago
I"m 100% with him on everything he says here. Amen.
EtarnalQuest77 2 years ago 6
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Have you read any of his books? He's GREAT!
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whiff1962 1 year ago
What of the implications of such a weltanshauung? You obviously have no conception of the Frankfurt School's project, as Marxist-centric, and anti-western. Fromm was no friend of man; he was a psychoanalyst, whose views of the human condition were veiled in the pseudo-science of Marxist psychoanalytic claptrap. The FS's "humanistic" social engineering did not nor could not conceive of the "piecemeal" social engineering of a democratic society, only that of a Utopian, anti-individualistic one.
whiff1962 1 year ago
@whiff1962 wow you are going wild on this video.let me tell you this,even though he may have been somewhat of a socialist he wasnt really a socialist and everything but an admirer of what has ben known as socialism in the last 100 years.he may have quoted marx a few times and many of his theories have been nothing but theories but i highly doubt that 90 percent of so called socialist would never link him to their ideology...
FightTheRedDevil 1 year ago
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Mr.Mikezephyr, you should study up on Karl Marx before making such ridiculous and untrue statements about him. And judging from your previous comments it would seem that you have read very little of Erich Fromm as well.
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davidasleep01 2 years ago
why are you attacking marx and not marxism?
whats your problem youve never met him yous might even have been friends. ad hominum attacks are just childish
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MopDMTBARTL 2 years ago
marx was an atheist and an anti-semite.
but i bet you're memorized patter will say that this was a ruse to trick the gullible becuase marx was secretly an orthodox jew that drank the blood of gentile babies.
mikezephyr 2 years ago
right, so because fromm was a jew-bolshevist his arguments (or subversions) are out to get the 'united' white world, are always wrong?
come on nigga!
mikezephyr 2 years ago
If you had ever read one of his books, particularly his later works, you would realize he was more closely aligned with zen buddhism than judaism.
innernaut 2 years ago
i bet this stain never read a shred of fromm's work.
mikezephyr 2 years ago