I've always wondered why Lucifer would torture people for god? If one faithfully believes in god, and does a good job, they go to heaven; a believer who does a bad job goes to hell and is punished; the first two are easy to understand. Why would someone who didn't believe in god be punished in hell? Lucifer seems to be the rebellious against god type, so why would he torture people for rebelling against god as well? Would someone who worshiped Lucifer, and did a bad job, end up going to heaven?
Don't disable ratings. Even if you get the lowest rating. It goes against the YT concept. Let the people cry. I love you and I would give you a 5* but if you get zero stars it just means you struck a nerve. "They felt you". And that's the point anyway, isn't it.
Its not just christianity who believe that though is its muslims and jews as well. IF your dont accept muhammad as your prophet and allah as your god your goin direct to hell.
but his response was about a video with a christian defense. so what do you mean? this isnt a free posted video. This is literally a response to ONE video.
See you have to understand that its been advertised over so many years that GOD is just gonna forgive a person just cuz they ask it. Which is a false teaching, So many of us forget that is not only merciful forgiver but he is also a divine Judge. When ppl forget that they tend to think just becuz you say those 4 words "GOD please forgive me" they think they are back on the right track with GOD. When thats never the case, when GOD sees you are doing good for his name sake, thats when you back
See, that just goes to show you how many false teachers there are in Christianity. Its too many ppl giving false teachings. I have mentor who has a Masters Degree in Theology. You have to understand you cant just accept GOD and think you gonna make it into heaven. You have to repent and turn your life around. Now that doesnt mean you wont sin anymore, it just means you gonna sin less than what you were doing. You think somebody like Adolf Hitler made it into heaven?
Hitler killed many of Jews, 1 of the 10 commandments are "thou shall not kill". I know for a fact as a Christian and as a human being that Hitler is not in Heaven, he broke one of the Lords top 10 laws of GOD and didnt care to turn his life around. Trust me when I say that guy is in Hell with gasoline draws on.
so what is it azareal. is it the fact that you kill or the fact that you disobey or break the lords top laws that takes you hell. you can't say both as it is christians themselves who state "us christians are not perfect, we are forgiven" thus they admit that they disobey god sometimes but still are going to hell.
Somebody has been teaching you the wrong thing, being a christian dosent mean your just gonna stop sinning, Its means that your gonna sin LESS than you did b4 you became converted. The Bible teaches us that as long as we are in these bodies we are sinners, it says "In my flesh dwelith no good thing". This body isnt going to other side, its the soul that you are asking GOD to saving. Wanna know how unwanted our bodies are? Its so unwanted that GOD doesnt need it and Satan doesnt want it.
Fuck you jeremiah, You got the courage to say that white power shit over the net but you aint got the balls to say it to my face. How bout you take your HIll BIlly ass back to that trailor and fuck somemore of you cousins.
People like togetheforpeace are crazy. Apparently good old Hitler gets to go to heaven but the 6 million Jews who he tortured mercilessly get to burn in hell for more torture just because they didn't accept Jesus. That quite frankly is disgusting.
You can be the best person ever, helping people out when they need it, aid work, give to charity, never hurt anyone, be nice to everyone all the time, never disrespect anyone else EVER, but still be condemmed to eternal damnation in the fiery pits of hell for refusing to believe in god, even when your whole life youve been a lovely person. Doesnt seem to make sense too me.
Good points, and good to find your channel--just discovered it after watching FFreeThinker's "Best of Atheism" video.
At 2:31, you mentioned that "the Bible makes it pretty clear that anyone who doesn't accept God is going to hell ...". I think *some* passages make that clear, but there are also biblical passages that contradict that idea, and even passages that deny the whole notion of an afterlife. My video response contains the details.
Gor, the bible itself explains that. The bible says," the wages of sin is death." So by that alone eternal damnation or torment is untrue. One would have to be alive to be tormented forever. So one would have to have the "gift" of life. It is a contridiction and a satanic lie on God. Also, the bible says in essc, that the dead are conscious of nothing at all, so they could not be dead and suffering either. Simply put, it is just a lie.
Gor, much of Christian "religions" are pagen in origin. Their teachings are not supported by the bible. The eternal torment is definately a Satanic lie. It was probably promoted to keep the congregation in line. Keep people in fear and you can control them. Religion has taken many things from pagan religions. Dec 25 as Jesus birthday for one. Even the celebrating of his birthday at all. He told his followers to celebrate his death, not his birth. Obviously religion and the bible are at odds.
i knew Kamili1950 was a JW so i checked his channel to make sure. I knew it! because JW's are know for their cut and paste argument style. they cant really tell you what they believe they have to let their publications tell you. so how can you really believe in something you cant explain for yourself?
Being a Christian I am always appauled at what other so called Christians say my loving God. First of all, hell is the common grave of man. There are 3 seperate words rendered hell, hades, sheoul, and gehenna. They are not all the same. Gehenna is burning, but it is symbolic for total distruction. Hades and sheoul are just the common grave of man, or would Job pray to go there? Also, Adam and Eve comitted the worst crime against God, and passed on sin and deaath to everyone but their -cont-
-cont- punishment was not burn in hell forever. God simply said, "Dust you were and to dust you will return." Some so called Christians who should know the bible have in fact never read it for themselves. Their preacher tells them what it says, and like a parrot they repeat what they have heard. The bible does say God rewards those who love him with everlasting life, but those who do not simply go back to the ground and cease to exist like before they were conceived. Many site the parable_cont-
-cont- of Lazarus as proof of hell fire. But Lazarus is a parable, a story. Ask your self, why would Lazarus want to spend eternity in Abrahams bosum? Also since there are so many poor rejected people who believe in god, Abraham must have a tremendous bosum. Now the water on the finger thing, it would be evaoprated long before Lazarus could reach the rich man. I am saying this to say, eternal torment is a scriptual lie used by Christian leaders to keep the flock in line and scared to question.
-cont-Rev 20: 13-14 says Death and hades gave up the dead in them and they were hurled into the lake of fire aka gehenna. Death is a condition, it could not burn. So it is obvious to me, the fire is just symbolic of eternal destruction. After that the bible says that death would be no more. I've often wondered how anyone, with a shread of humanity could possible be happy knowing others were burning and in eternal torment. The very idea disgusts me. I am Christian and do not believe in hell fire.
Rae,I did not cut and paste anything.Since I study it regularily, I know the bible fairly well, so I can easily find bible sciptures I am looking for. What a ridiculous thing for you to say, that we can't answer questions. I was not asked any questions as I recall, I commented on this video. .Also, I am female. You have come here, made wild accusations totally unfounded, and so I can only conclude that you are hoping for an argument. Sorry, I have discussions, answer question, but don't argue.
Also, instead of making unfounded accusations, why not just refute something I said, at least that would give you some credibility. But to just jump on a person and only have accusations makes you look like you have an agenda, and that agenda is not to have a discussion of the video. Also, if you have something to say to me, why did you come here. Do you need back up? You said you went to my channel, you could have easily had a one on one with me. I think you are looking for supporters. How sad.
I am sorry if it appeared that i hijacked your channel, but I had a point I wanted to make and it took several times to make it. I saw a couple of your videos and I wanted to comment on them. I hope this is okay with you. I love discussing different points of view, I just hate hostile arguments.
Hey well I used to believe that i was "born again" and all that bullshit. So even if I am wrong about this whole christianity being wrong, I still get to go to heaven anyways! :D
Fuck that. Any organized religion on earth is utter rubbish.
while at the same time many christians do believe in a literal hell. since both types of christians get thier information from the same book we must consider the possibility of them being wrong. and since the book is supposed to be "infallable" we are forced to conclude that this is wrong, which makes us question weather the whole book might be in error.
I don't believe there is a special spot reserved in hell for anyone who doesn't agree with me so I'm not sure what point is being made by attempting to insinuate that I do.
I believe in something I admit I can't prove exists and if you don't agree with me on this matter you will suffer eternal torment........lets talk about it.
SM didn't specifically say that, but at no point did I think he was implying that people have to agree with you wholly, and it seemed obvious he only meant insofar as religion and God is concerned.
The terms 'good' and 'bad' can be used in various ways. In Christianity the goodness of a persons actions aren't enough to get them into the city of God. The idea of someone saying, "I deserve to go to heaven" is foolish as all have sinned and can only be brought into God's presence by accepting the forgiveness he has provided through Jesus Christ.
Yet most Christians believe babies are sinners, they at least have a sinful nature, and yet if they die young they have no chance to accept God's forgiveness so in your eye they would be deserving of hell.
There is a difference between saying "God I reject what you have to say" and "I have no reason to think a God said this, therefore I reject your claim that he did." Let him come and tell me himself and I'll be glad to hear him out.
good video!
sebd2507 1 year ago
I like the ending of this video, very nice.
jimmydoolittle22 1 year ago
I've always wondered why Lucifer would torture people for god? If one faithfully believes in god, and does a good job, they go to heaven; a believer who does a bad job goes to hell and is punished; the first two are easy to understand. Why would someone who didn't believe in god be punished in hell? Lucifer seems to be the rebellious against god type, so why would he torture people for rebelling against god as well? Would someone who worshiped Lucifer, and did a bad job, end up going to heaven?
13shadowwolf 1 year ago
Don't disable ratings. Even if you get the lowest rating. It goes against the YT concept. Let the people cry. I love you and I would give you a 5* but if you get zero stars it just means you struck a nerve. "They felt you". And that's the point anyway, isn't it.
esteban0321 2 years ago
what if there is? were not animals we have destinations
fakingbits 2 years ago
This shows why I am so utterly afraid of Evangelical and Fundamentalist Christians.
cliffwalkinfool 2 years ago
Its not just christianity who believe that though is its muslims and jews as well. IF your dont accept muhammad as your prophet and allah as your god your goin direct to hell.
Seems unfair to just criticise christianity.
ShaolinKid86 2 years ago
but his response was about a video with a christian defense. so what do you mean? this isnt a free posted video. This is literally a response to ONE video.
JohnThePheonix 2 years ago
Ay I feel you brah!!!
Totally like forreal!!!
JeansTake 2 years ago
i like your video good points!
nasbster915 2 years ago
See you have to understand that its been advertised over so many years that GOD is just gonna forgive a person just cuz they ask it. Which is a false teaching, So many of us forget that is not only merciful forgiver but he is also a divine Judge. When ppl forget that they tend to think just becuz you say those 4 words "GOD please forgive me" they think they are back on the right track with GOD. When thats never the case, when GOD sees you are doing good for his name sake, thats when you back
azareal 2 years ago
See, that just goes to show you how many false teachers there are in Christianity. Its too many ppl giving false teachings. I have mentor who has a Masters Degree in Theology. You have to understand you cant just accept GOD and think you gonna make it into heaven. You have to repent and turn your life around. Now that doesnt mean you wont sin anymore, it just means you gonna sin less than what you were doing. You think somebody like Adolf Hitler made it into heaven?
azareal 2 years ago
Hitler killed many of Jews, 1 of the 10 commandments are "thou shall not kill". I know for a fact as a Christian and as a human being that Hitler is not in Heaven, he broke one of the Lords top 10 laws of GOD and didnt care to turn his life around. Trust me when I say that guy is in Hell with gasoline draws on.
azareal 2 years ago
so what is it azareal. is it the fact that you kill or the fact that you disobey or break the lords top laws that takes you hell. you can't say both as it is christians themselves who state "us christians are not perfect, we are forgiven" thus they admit that they disobey god sometimes but still are going to hell.
jrev37 2 years ago
Somebody has been teaching you the wrong thing, being a christian dosent mean your just gonna stop sinning, Its means that your gonna sin LESS than you did b4 you became converted. The Bible teaches us that as long as we are in these bodies we are sinners, it says "In my flesh dwelith no good thing". This body isnt going to other side, its the soul that you are asking GOD to saving. Wanna know how unwanted our bodies are? Its so unwanted that GOD doesnt need it and Satan doesnt want it.
azareal 2 years ago
HEIL CHRIST! white power 14/83
jeremiahj13 2 years ago
Fuck you jeremiah, You got the courage to say that white power shit over the net but you aint got the balls to say it to my face. How bout you take your HIll BIlly ass back to that trailor and fuck somemore of you cousins.
azareal 2 years ago
@jeremiahj13
White...like Jesus/Yeshua?
shunyotube 2 years ago
Jesus was Jewish;
jeremiahj13 2 years ago
People like togetheforpeace are crazy. Apparently good old Hitler gets to go to heaven but the 6 million Jews who he tortured mercilessly get to burn in hell for more torture just because they didn't accept Jesus. That quite frankly is disgusting.
Emin3mRulez 2 years ago
You can be the best person ever, helping people out when they need it, aid work, give to charity, never hurt anyone, be nice to everyone all the time, never disrespect anyone else EVER, but still be condemmed to eternal damnation in the fiery pits of hell for refusing to believe in god, even when your whole life youve been a lovely person. Doesnt seem to make sense too me.
Doochahh 2 years ago
Hi. Can I dl this video and repost it on my other account? I'll link back to this one in comments.
AnethSvartalf 2 years ago
yes
smpunditz 2 years ago
Very, very good point smpudnditz. Thank you !!
Ekendil 2 years ago
I liked you on on ffreethinker video. good job.
johnnyk2112 2 years ago
Good points, and good to find your channel--just discovered it after watching FFreeThinker's "Best of Atheism" video.
At 2:31, you mentioned that "the Bible makes it pretty clear that anyone who doesn't accept God is going to hell ...". I think *some* passages make that clear, but there are also biblical passages that contradict that idea, and even passages that deny the whole notion of an afterlife. My video response contains the details.
- Todd, a new sub
ToddAllenGates 2 years ago
lmao@Kamili comment, a "satanic lie". they all point fingers to Satan. ha how funny.
crystalluvslp 2 years ago
*applause*
Well done!
jvondd 2 years ago
Nice video
TheSupremeSkeptic 2 years ago
good vid!
TruthSurge 2 years ago
How does one get eternity in hell for 100 years of being evil. Shouldn't 100 years of evil be rewarded with 100 years of hell from a just God?
I'm Christian, but hell is one of those things that I simply cannot fathom as it is spoken of.
I also doubt anyone who rejects God will go to hell regardless of being good or not. Jesus helped that girl who was a pagan. So how come?
I for one cannot go along with these hardliners like this Jack your responding to in the video
Gormanmod 2 years ago
Gor, the bible itself explains that. The bible says," the wages of sin is death." So by that alone eternal damnation or torment is untrue. One would have to be alive to be tormented forever. So one would have to have the "gift" of life. It is a contridiction and a satanic lie on God. Also, the bible says in essc, that the dead are conscious of nothing at all, so they could not be dead and suffering either. Simply put, it is just a lie.
Kamili1950 2 years ago
Yea that's my point.
Eternal damnation seems to be a Papal creation in Europe. Probably some influence from Rome's religion on hell.
Gormanmod 2 years ago
Gor, much of Christian "religions" are pagen in origin. Their teachings are not supported by the bible. The eternal torment is definately a Satanic lie. It was probably promoted to keep the congregation in line. Keep people in fear and you can control them. Religion has taken many things from pagan religions. Dec 25 as Jesus birthday for one. Even the celebrating of his birthday at all. He told his followers to celebrate his death, not his birth. Obviously religion and the bible are at odds.
Kamili1950 2 years ago
the ending to that video was awesome! keep it up man i like your style
tron321 2 years ago
5stars
CiphersSon 2 years ago
Great point at the ending. I mean, great points throughout the whole thing, but you summed it up really well in your last few lines.
deidzoeb 2 years ago
Hey nice job:) Keep up the good work!
lotsahooey 2 years ago
Right on, *****
ubergossen 2 years ago
★★★★★
SpicyDonuts 2 years ago
if heaven is full of religious fanatics of any religion i dont wanna go there.. alltho there is no such a thing as heaven and hell .....
only a band which is like black sabbath only with dio they are really good....
manglish2000 2 years ago
Love the final line.
miksedene 2 years ago
oh yes, definitely
xBuscopanx 2 years ago
Indeed ★★★★★
Katalyzt 2 years ago
i knew Kamili1950 was a JW so i checked his channel to make sure. I knew it! because JW's are know for their cut and paste argument style. they cant really tell you what they believe they have to let their publications tell you. so how can you really believe in something you cant explain for yourself?
raelAlan 2 years ago
Being a Christian I am always appauled at what other so called Christians say my loving God. First of all, hell is the common grave of man. There are 3 seperate words rendered hell, hades, sheoul, and gehenna. They are not all the same. Gehenna is burning, but it is symbolic for total distruction. Hades and sheoul are just the common grave of man, or would Job pray to go there? Also, Adam and Eve comitted the worst crime against God, and passed on sin and deaath to everyone but their -cont-
Kamili1950 2 years ago
-cont- punishment was not burn in hell forever. God simply said, "Dust you were and to dust you will return." Some so called Christians who should know the bible have in fact never read it for themselves. Their preacher tells them what it says, and like a parrot they repeat what they have heard. The bible does say God rewards those who love him with everlasting life, but those who do not simply go back to the ground and cease to exist like before they were conceived. Many site the parable_cont-
Kamili1950 2 years ago
-cont- of Lazarus as proof of hell fire. But Lazarus is a parable, a story. Ask your self, why would Lazarus want to spend eternity in Abrahams bosum? Also since there are so many poor rejected people who believe in god, Abraham must have a tremendous bosum. Now the water on the finger thing, it would be evaoprated long before Lazarus could reach the rich man. I am saying this to say, eternal torment is a scriptual lie used by Christian leaders to keep the flock in line and scared to question.
Kamili1950 2 years ago
-cont-Rev 20: 13-14 says Death and hades gave up the dead in them and they were hurled into the lake of fire aka gehenna. Death is a condition, it could not burn. So it is obvious to me, the fire is just symbolic of eternal destruction. After that the bible says that death would be no more. I've often wondered how anyone, with a shread of humanity could possible be happy knowing others were burning and in eternal torment. The very idea disgusts me. I am Christian and do not believe in hell fire.
Kamili1950 2 years ago
can't JW's ever respond without cutting and pasting? lol
raelAlan 2 years ago
Rae,I did not cut and paste anything.Since I study it regularily, I know the bible fairly well, so I can easily find bible sciptures I am looking for. What a ridiculous thing for you to say, that we can't answer questions. I was not asked any questions as I recall, I commented on this video. .Also, I am female. You have come here, made wild accusations totally unfounded, and so I can only conclude that you are hoping for an argument. Sorry, I have discussions, answer question, but don't argue.
Kamili1950 2 years ago
Also, instead of making unfounded accusations, why not just refute something I said, at least that would give you some credibility. But to just jump on a person and only have accusations makes you look like you have an agenda, and that agenda is not to have a discussion of the video. Also, if you have something to say to me, why did you come here. Do you need back up? You said you went to my channel, you could have easily had a one on one with me. I think you are looking for supporters. How sad.
Kamili1950 2 years ago
hey pundit, have you noticed how apes and other animals are getting smarter.
well i was wondering, do you think apes will have their own religion one day?
fantasticalNINJA 2 years ago
Damn it. You beat me to it lol.
SuperFlyNB 2 years ago
Yeah. I know I technically should have stayed out of it and at least waited for your response, but I couldn't resist.
smpunditz 2 years ago
I am sorry if it appeared that i hijacked your channel, but I had a point I wanted to make and it took several times to make it. I saw a couple of your videos and I wanted to comment on them. I hope this is okay with you. I love discussing different points of view, I just hate hostile arguments.
Kamili1950 2 years ago
Good points
Danmill23 2 years ago
Hey well I used to believe that i was "born again" and all that bullshit. So even if I am wrong about this whole christianity being wrong, I still get to go to heaven anyways! :D
Fuck that. Any organized religion on earth is utter rubbish.
gchris5 2 years ago
Many Christians do not believe in hell rather they believe that ones soul will just perish and not go to heaven.
biztizzbigb 2 years ago
while at the same time many christians do believe in a literal hell. since both types of christians get thier information from the same book we must consider the possibility of them being wrong. and since the book is supposed to be "infallable" we are forced to conclude that this is wrong, which makes us question weather the whole book might be in error.
greycloud24 2 years ago
This is the exact same point that Rozeboosje and others have been trying to make to Jack for a while now, but it still hasn't gotten through.
CousinoMacul 2 years ago
Good video, and a new sub. Don't know how I missed you before. I guess Jack was good for something. :p
TheNakedAtheist 2 years ago
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TheNakedAtheist 2 years ago
I don't believe there is a special spot reserved in hell for anyone who doesn't agree with me so I'm not sure what point is being made by attempting to insinuate that I do.
TogetherForPeace 2 years ago
I didn't insinuate anything. Anyone who does not agree with you that God is your Lord and savior you believe will go to hell right?
smpunditz 2 years ago
sm- well you didn't say that in your video but so be it. You believe courteous dialogue is dependent upon someone sharing my beliefs in God?
TogetherForPeace 2 years ago
I'll answer your question with several questions since you like answering my questions with questions.
Can you have courteous dialogue with someone who believes you are inferior to them?
Can you have courteous dialogue with someone who thinks you should go to jail for not agreeing with them?
Can you have courteous dialogue with someone whose completely irrational?
Kind of difficult to respect such an individual wouldn't you agree?
smpunditz 2 years ago
Jack this is what you sound like
I believe in something I admit I can't prove exists and if you don't agree with me on this matter you will suffer eternal torment........lets talk about it.
smpunditz 2 years ago
HAHA . . . nice . . . and true.
HonestDiscussioner 2 years ago
SM didn't specifically say that, but at no point did I think he was implying that people have to agree with you wholly, and it seemed obvious he only meant insofar as religion and God is concerned.
HonestDiscussioner 2 years ago
"I don't believe there is a special spot reserved in hell for anyone who doesn't agree with me"
Jack you're smart enough to know he meant in reference to your God beliefs. I can't imagine ANYONE would think he meant anything else.
TheNakedAtheist 2 years ago
The terms 'good' and 'bad' can be used in various ways. In Christianity the goodness of a persons actions aren't enough to get them into the city of God. The idea of someone saying, "I deserve to go to heaven" is foolish as all have sinned and can only be brought into God's presence by accepting the forgiveness he has provided through Jesus Christ.
TogetherForPeace 2 years ago
The only thing that is foolish here is this warped ideology that you must agree with me otherwise you will suffer eternal torment.
If everyone is a sinner in the eyes of God then sinning isn't even relevant. Clearly it's a matter of of submission rather then a matter of sinning.
smpunditz 2 years ago
Yet most Christians believe babies are sinners, they at least have a sinful nature, and yet if they die young they have no chance to accept God's forgiveness so in your eye they would be deserving of hell.
There is a difference between saying "God I reject what you have to say" and "I have no reason to think a God said this, therefore I reject your claim that he did." Let him come and tell me himself and I'll be glad to hear him out.
HonestDiscussioner 2 years ago
5 stars!
BethRN74 2 years ago
Does anyone else find Jack to be kind of creepy, or is that just me?
PissedOffAtheist 2 years ago
I agree, he looks like someone who'd be making pipe bombs in a Montana shack.
BayAreaLen 2 years ago
Very simple and straightforward yet sadly true.
Kudos.
EbonJackal 2 years ago 2
5 stars from me.
montrealpsycho 2 years ago 2
very good video
orius1450 2 years ago 2