On the wall off Cozumel in very strong downward currents I got nitrogen narcosis on air at 40-45 meters to the point where i seriously considered taking out my reg. If i had gone another 10 meters I would have been unconscious. i panicked, as a result of the profound disorientation. Luckily I ended the dive buddy breathing at a safety stop. I came up coughing blood anyway. I was very lucky, according to the doc at the chamber, not to have died of decompression sickness. Diving = not a joke.
a very simple example is this what would happen if your speeding with ur car and run a red light another car from the side traffic would hit you and u might die or whatever when u dont fallow important rules its extremely risky specially when it comes to people's life's
History repeats itself and Russian people never fail to exhibit stupidity / lack of knowledge ... it makes me sad though, because I admire their patriotism to their motherland
Alot of people are blaming PADI training I see! that's a bit unfair, fools are fools no matter who they're trained by. I'm a PADI pro and I agree that PADI is a very money driven society but you can't blame them for dickheads! I've met quite a few morons from BSAC and many other organisations!
@OmfgSmurf - some of these people weren't affiliated with PADI. Unfortunately in the RedSea, Russian statistics are grim regardless of which agency their certification has come from.
"Reef curse" my ass. PADI sucks. They profiteer and dont bother teaching their students well. Its not just Russians; Americans die like crazy scuba diving too.
Alexander's Death was horrific, even worse was having to see his wife after it. Never a day goes by when that terrible event fails to remind me of his family and daughter. It's changed the way I dive forever. Alexander was diving trimix and not a back gas of air. I'm aware of what happened with Alexander's weightbelt, he was carrying an excessive amount of weight. We'll never know whether the clip failed or he dropped the weight, he had travel gas to get back with. Thoughts to the family RIP
When I was 16, my father, a diver, made me promise not to go diving, even with local instructors. I thought he was being a buzzkill, until I went diving in another tropical country.
Sharks are well known in this country, and while all are potentially dangerous, there were Tiger Sharks . The native dive master took 12 of us down, where we encountered reef sharks, but he stayed way back. I asked him why, he said "... I couldn't tell if it was a Tiger shark or not." I skipped the next dives.
@cay311 That's why my film is called the "Idiosyncrasies of Russian Diving" , it's very typical for some Russian divers and swimmers to gt drunk before a dive, sorry.
hmmm... wonder what it feels like ti dive under dark brown colored water... kidding aside, i'd still prefer wreck diving over this one. this is too much for me, call me a chicken but i value life and family as much as i value recreational stuff...
For the Divers that think they are good enough to dive deep on compressed air i would like to say this: It has nothing to do with beeing a good diver. Recent studies i read said that you do not get "used" to the effects of nitrogen narcosis. Nor can you get "used" to the risk of oxygen toxicity. You think you feel less nitrogen narcosis after a while. But the brain has the same detrimental effects you had the first time. Air is NOT made for deep diving. And it is definately not a save option.
@wilbuckingham No he means metres because thats what they went to, 90 feet on a single tank of air is perfectly exceptable. Air as a primary gas becomes toxic at 56 metres and deadly after 60.
The downside of coming experienced to the GUE side is that you have to break old miscule memory( controlling trim, for example, "solo" behaviour and so on), and it hurts. But the results are definitely worthwhile.
Alexander Nikitan's death also belongs to the poor training- the dive before he surfaced with just 10 bars in his doubles.
And the real reason of his death is panic and not loss of the weightbelt...
Also, there are 2 groups of divers that come to GUE- one comes there with relatively little experience, and the other (apparently larger) group are experienced divers that understand that they don't do it right.
yeah i agree, i am russian myself, and i should say the last thing those people care about is safety. They always assume that nothing is going to happen.
okay! maybe not all russians are crazy underwater! but u see..... also other persons think like this, and they make movies about the russian divers!!! so...it must be something! i personally saw my russian clients want to break corall in hurghada with full force, and they know its illegal!! so ...russian divers...everyone fear them! sorry! BUT also italians are the same :))
dmitriviento: Sorry for the late reply! Sure "every amily DOES have its... skeleton n the closet". I am Russina and I was making the film about RUSSIAN divers, I don't mean to say they are the "worst", I'm just investigating why ther were too many trgic acidents in 2006-2007
To hell with you Vasilica! You are a typical European consumer and a coward deep in heart. You have never fought in Chechnya and never held the ground to the last cartridge. We, Russians, are sometimes reckless, but we are not like you, we are of different flesh. Remember it.
Here, i must say something. The name of the Egyptian instructor is Mahmoud. It was in Marsa Alam. I was there diving with him one week before this dreadful accident. I couldn't believe my eyes when i read it in the newspaper. He was very Sure, equipment was poor. Yes, the boat was rented. careful. REALLY experienced. He dove Elphinstone all the time, and i felt completely safe diving there with him. He kept an eye on me all the time and i am a rescue diver!! Take care of your own life.
Did they all have brain damage? All you need to do is read one introductory book on diving to know you don't go down 90m on air, or one tank of anything. You don't go into caves with one light. You bring signaling devices like strobes, flares, beacons...
the scenario where the solo divers weights fell off kind of scares me. it could happen to anyone, and i dont know if i could deflate fast enough. made me think a little.
Shadapaga: My advice is very simple: there is no reason to become a"solo diver". Your buddy is your back up "brain", and it would have helped a lot to have a buddy during such a challenging dive.
actually you can do solo diver courses and solo divers carry a huge amount of redundancy equipment and are supposed to surface with at least 100bar (double what is normal) tbh losing your weights is a worst case scenario and most divers would be hard pressed to cope with it even with a buddy. Doing an open water ascent and losing your weights without anything nearby to hold onto is a damage limitation scenario.
mostly just to compliment your own training, i.e train you to become more self sufficient (several times when I've been diving my buddy has been an incompetent moron). Obviously its best to dive with a buddy but even if for nothing else it gets you thinking about how you would manage situations if you were suddenly without a buddy. I would highly recommend doing one actually!
Not so much racist as true, unfortunately. It's the same with skydiving - Russians are notorious for being incredibly cavalier about safety. I can't understand it - it's your life, it's your gear, check and recheck until YOU trust that YOU are safe.
PADI is like any big world wide organization. Some are good instructors others may not be. My dive Master was very rigourous. He failed 4 students out of ten in my OW class. Don't spread the rumours, learn the facts NOOBS!!!
F*cking IDIOTS!!! What do think is going to happen if there's a problem? 80M in a cave dive with one light. MORONS! Your will means nothing in a hostile environment. Good to get these fools out of the gene pool. Sorry, but its the truth.
Of course, but safety is redundancy with critical aspects of your gear. The odds of two flashlights going out is essentially nil. Doing a cave dive with only one light is pushing the risk envelop way to far. If the light goes out you will most probably die. Period.
Ask every instructor who need to train Russian guys. It is the most dangerous training- They are looked for exterme dives without any experience and think that if they pay for divings they can received all they want
@cpuneronet Haha, well I don't think its fair to apply this to all Russians, just that their cultural background lends itself to some attitudes that are not safe in conjunction with diving. Other cultures/activities are like this too, classic case is Singaporean culture and and flying as evidenced by Singapore Airlines shocking safety record prior to this decade. That has largely been fixed by very stringent training, but the point remains. Do it by the book!
Curious about this video, what was it for? Did it air on tv? I saw part 3 by chance, and thought it was just a PR video. Can you post links so I can watch more?
noantsproductions: Yes, it will be aired on Russian TV on the 3d of January 2009. Part 3 is not "just a PR video" but an integral part of the part of the documentary. Just wonder what makes you think that's a "PR video"?
haha hey no pun intended :) it just seemed to be all about GUE (this particular segment), and I thought nothing of it when I marked it as "favorite" several months ago. ...I guess it was pro GUE and --I don't know what makes a PR video a PR video anyway (just promote GUE). I meant I never thought it was more than 10 minutes long and a documentary at that. Now I'm glad it is and want a copy!
noantsproductions: #1 I just asked because I like to speak with my audience and I like to know their opinion regarding the videos, so worries. That's not all about GUE, but its training, that I ppersonally consider to be the best in regards of the dive safety at the moment.
noantsproductions#2: since we have been talking about Russian divers and their fatal accidents, we came to the conslusion that those accidents were the result of the poor dive training received by the deseased. I had to offer an alternative training system that from my POV will guarantee no deep air and solo dives amongst their students. I just don't know any other training agency with the same standards, if I did, I'd certainly mention them too.
When I said "me too" I meant I too think GUE has the best standards today.
Watching all these parts still leaves me short handed :) I'd still like to see the whole thing! I'm more intregued as I saw the Yuri fatal dive (with relatives/friends comments) here on YouTube and didn't connect that it was part of the GUE "PR" video segment and a longer documentry at that.
noantsproductions: I understand that! Yuri Lipski video is from the "Sacred Truth" documentary and GUE segment is from "Idiosyncrasies of Russian Diving". There are two different documentaries.
when human could the "hot" blood stay on the main body to warm sensitive organs like heart stomah and etc. for that reason the fist points who cold first is hand-arms and feet-legs.
now when human drink the blood start to run fast so the "hot" blood goes to the hand-arms,feet-legas and left the main body unprotectable so for that reason human "thinks" when he drink it better and warmer.
NEVER DRIN ALCOHOL WHEN YOU COULD NEVER!! YOU CAN DIE!
Russians are stupid so what do you expect to happen but its still very sad to hear about this kinda stuff. and wow they dive too deep for new divers. ive been diving and 30 meters is deep but 90 meters wow too deep for new divers to learn at
Ozzy210: Hi there, I completely gree with you,there will be always stupid people al around the world, it doesn't have to do anything with their nationality, however Russians do have their very specific "character". Trust me. I am Russian.
OVERSEASMEDIA, My last comment was from "Personal" experience.But, I am bound to tell you, that even the people who opperate these "PADI" courses, admit that the're in it, "Only For the money!". I strongly advise anyone who want's to "Take Up" this "Dangerous" sport, to join a club, where the other member's will teach, & give you, good, sound advice, for "Free" with only your "Wellbeing" at heart!.
I agree with you. It`s just making money!! I finished the course with PADI in 4 days. Actually I learned nothing at all. Back in germany I went to SSI for three month to get my OWD!
rainermb: Hi there, actualy I had the same experience with PADI and even TDI is not that good to be honest with you.Were sponsoring a week diving in Hughada on board of Tala liveabord (6th -13th of October)the basic scuba divers trained by PADI will be offered to have a 4-5 days of "funadamntal" or "essential" training free of charge, we can take 4 O/W divers with us on the 6th of Septemer, please let me know if any of you guys are interested, cheers, Elena
People, understand something. PADI courses, are all about MAKEING MONEY!.The safety of their student's is secondary,(unless they hav'nt paid for the course,in "Advance").
kfotoprm: Hi there, I don't know about money making but I agree that PADI O/W is not a sufficient dive course, they have to reconsider the dive standards and basic skills requirenments.
Lots of Russians who come to Egypt for holidays are middle class. Living in a country that is overburdened with bureaucracy and corruption, they honestly believe any rules can be bent of you pay enough, have powerful friends or can intimidate well. So, with this mentality they come to Egypt and go diving. Unfortunately for them, sea can't either be bullied, nor it cares about money or wealth. It just punishes those that don't respect it.
Idiosyncrasies or not; plently people want to see Russian divers get into big trouble now and don't want to help them. Russian mentality dictates they take big risks and like to die from diving. Let these fucking bastard divers die without risking good divers to try and rescue them.
bacaca88: That was not my intention to make anyone feel sorry for Russian divers nor I wished to say that anyone should rescue irresponsible divers. But sometimes bad things happen to good and responsible divers and you shouldn't judge how good they are upon their nationality. It would be very wrong.
soccom8341576: Yes, I think PADI has to improve their safety skills. . But it depends on what of diving you're involved into and how much do you love diving. I believe that once you're cerified by PADI as an O/W, the best way to fill the gaps is to do GUE Fundamentals course.
Who scripted this movie? Obviously not anybody with a clear knowledge of diving. Full of errors. "All those divers, with the possible exception of the solo diver, made mistakes"? In reality, the solo diver, too, made a mistake. "No recreational diving below 30 meters"? Where did this "rule" come from? Someone just made this up and presents it as fact.
sundaydiver: I did scripted the movie together with my partner. I'm a DIR diver, my partner (a TV reporter Boris Koltsov) is a non-DIR diver. I personally think that the solo diver made a mistake, but he doesn't think so. So I had to compromise. Regarding the "recreational diving below 30 m" I'm afaraid that you're mistaken.
sundaydiver: So where are the errors, I am looking forward for you reply. I think I know more about diving than you but I will appreciate your comments, so.. were they are?
scubazmei: Not all of them, I didn't have enough evidence that any of those divers "were drunk" before the dive or were drinking. So I preferred not to speculate on that issue without a clear evidence.
Blazerelf: There were 5 divers all together: 3Russians (Elena, Vladislav, Dmitri) 1 Dutch guy Michel and one Egyptian guide (I can't recall his name, but it should be on the net) Vladislav swam back to the sure, the 4 divers wen missing on Elphinestone reef and there bodies were never found.
Blazerelf: Also Vadislav was not "tech 1 diver" he was a recreational PADI diver, they all were PADI O/W divers performing the advanced O/W course at Elphinestone.
MPG350: You're dead right, it could be avoided and that was the bad choice of the divers to do those dives. There are a lot fo them diving this way in the Red Sea unfortunately.
All divers have the choice to dive or not to dive (with reason or no reason). Instructors should inform new divers about this, divers should not do a specific dive just because the others divers are doing it....
On the wall off Cozumel in very strong downward currents I got nitrogen narcosis on air at 40-45 meters to the point where i seriously considered taking out my reg. If i had gone another 10 meters I would have been unconscious. i panicked, as a result of the profound disorientation. Luckily I ended the dive buddy breathing at a safety stop. I came up coughing blood anyway. I was very lucky, according to the doc at the chamber, not to have died of decompression sickness. Diving = not a joke.
devattack 1 month ago
I'm not too worried about this. It's just nature removing unfitting creatures.
To fix this, you should first fix the way of living in russia for example, where they learn this kind of behavior their whole life.
I'm not racist but that's the way it is.
Of course not every one of them are like that, but many.
But that's not the case every time, I'm sure.
JamesKagelberg 1 month ago
@omfgsmurf
so if PADI sucks what would be better to teach beginners how to Dive owd???
koftaboy 1 month ago
a very simple example is this what would happen if your speeding with ur car and run a red light another car from the side traffic would hit you and u might die or whatever when u dont fallow important rules its extremely risky specially when it comes to people's life's
koftaboy 1 month ago
@vorkutaman Don't be a pussy.
Sargethepyromaniac 6 months ago
History repeats itself and Russian people never fail to exhibit stupidity / lack of knowledge ... it makes me sad though, because I admire their patriotism to their motherland
sukebokk 6 months ago
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lukey8661 9 months ago
Alot of people are blaming PADI training I see! that's a bit unfair, fools are fools no matter who they're trained by. I'm a PADI pro and I agree that PADI is a very money driven society but you can't blame them for dickheads! I've met quite a few morons from BSAC and many other organisations!
lukey8661 9 months ago 3
@lukey8661: Then these organizations should stop training fools:))
overseasmedia 9 months ago
so basically russians are stupid ? or idiosyncratic
polksalad1234 10 months ago
@OmfgSmurf - some of these people weren't affiliated with PADI. Unfortunately in the RedSea, Russian statistics are grim regardless of which agency their certification has come from.
BexHornet 11 months ago
"Reef curse" my ass. PADI sucks. They profiteer and dont bother teaching their students well. Its not just Russians; Americans die like crazy scuba diving too.
OmfgSmurf 11 months ago
Getting drunk before a dive? Durr.
shoplifting1is1fun 1 year ago
Alexander's Death was horrific, even worse was having to see his wife after it. Never a day goes by when that terrible event fails to remind me of his family and daughter. It's changed the way I dive forever. Alexander was diving trimix and not a back gas of air. I'm aware of what happened with Alexander's weightbelt, he was carrying an excessive amount of weight. We'll never know whether the clip failed or he dropped the weight, he had travel gas to get back with. Thoughts to the family RIP
BexHornet 1 year ago
Nobody beats the DIR morons
a6km 1 year ago
the fact that they get their diving license at PADI that easily declares many deaths alone.
WeRideTonite 1 year ago
lol watch?v=YNoh3Xi8pvs
amberthirtiethecei 1 year ago
40 m is limit 1 bottle padi deep specialty advance nitrox then
killer44999 1 year ago
Russian divers are the best in the world.
IlyaKhleboyko 1 year ago
When I was 16, my father, a diver, made me promise not to go diving, even with local instructors. I thought he was being a buzzkill, until I went diving in another tropical country.
Sharks are well known in this country, and while all are potentially dangerous, there were Tiger Sharks . The native dive master took 12 of us down, where we encountered reef sharks, but he stayed way back. I asked him why, he said "... I couldn't tell if it was a Tiger shark or not." I skipped the next dives.
Kalimata101 1 year ago
What about the hundreds of russians that died this summer diving drunk into swimming pools and rivers across russia to cool off from the summer heat?
Diving+ vodka=no no!
cay311 1 year ago
@cay311 That's why my film is called the "Idiosyncrasies of Russian Diving" , it's very typical for some Russian divers and swimmers to gt drunk before a dive, sorry.
overseasmedia 1 year ago
hmmm... wonder what it feels like ti dive under dark brown colored water... kidding aside, i'd still prefer wreck diving over this one. this is too much for me, call me a chicken but i value life and family as much as i value recreational stuff...
N6600 1 year ago
For the Divers that think they are good enough to dive deep on compressed air i would like to say this: It has nothing to do with beeing a good diver. Recent studies i read said that you do not get "used" to the effects of nitrogen narcosis. Nor can you get "used" to the risk of oxygen toxicity. You think you feel less nitrogen narcosis after a while. But the brain has the same detrimental effects you had the first time. Air is NOT made for deep diving. And it is definately not a save option.
Samurailord 1 year ago
The narrator says "meters" when he means feet. Very confusing . . .
wilbuckingham 1 year ago
@wilbuckingham The narrotaro is saying the right thingm, it was 90 METERS, NOT "feet"!
overseasmedia 1 year ago 3
@wilbuckingham No he means metres because thats what they went to, 90 feet on a single tank of air is perfectly exceptable. Air as a primary gas becomes toxic at 56 metres and deadly after 60.
joedonovan94 1 year ago
the moral of the story: don't drink and dive.
thequake180 1 year ago
7:02 - 90 meter on compressed air? That is way beyond plain stupidity - it's a suicide
jrspl 1 year ago 13
@jrspl : Exactly!
overseasmedia 1 year ago
When I was in Egypt the instructors told me that Italians and French wore worse than Russians.
paronfisk 2 years ago
paronfisk: Possibly, this film was about Russian divers.
overseasmedia 2 years ago
@overseasmedia Yeah, I sorta got that.
paronfisk 2 years ago
You weren't the Elena mentioned in the story at 3:00 were you, Elena?
thegirl44 2 years ago
thegirl44: No,no That was "Alyona"
overseasmedia 2 years ago
Thanks, I posted the comment before I realized that Alonya didn't make it back.
Are you home from your travels again, Elena?
thegirl44 2 years ago
the girl44: Nope.. still traveling....
overseasmedia 2 years ago
Does vodka have anything to do with it?
damnitjimimonlyadr 2 years ago
damnitjimimonlyadr: they do drink vodka, however I had no evidence pointing those guys had anything to do with vodka.
overseasmedia 2 years ago
I'm sorry for your loss.
damnitjimimonlyadr 2 years ago
damnitjimimonlyadr : for which "loss"??
overseasmedia 2 years ago
Their losses. I'm sorry for their losses. The Russians' families.
damnitjimimonlyadr 2 years ago
damnitjimimonlyadr: I am very sorry for their loss too and I wish it never happen again.
overseasmedia 2 years ago
@damnitjimimonlyadr Your not allowed to drink alcohol before diving. You Oxygen in your body can become toxic.
Deap diving is a pretty dangerous sport.
hallopapa111 1 year ago
The downside of coming experienced to the GUE side is that you have to break old miscule memory( controlling trim, for example, "solo" behaviour and so on), and it hurts. But the results are definitely worthwhile.
GregoryPribush 2 years ago
Alexander Nikitan's death also belongs to the poor training- the dive before he surfaced with just 10 bars in his doubles.
And the real reason of his death is panic and not loss of the weightbelt...
Also, there are 2 groups of divers that come to GUE- one comes there with relatively little experience, and the other (apparently larger) group are experienced divers that understand that they don't do it right.
GregoryPribush 2 years ago
yeah i agree, i am russian myself, and i should say the last thing those people care about is safety. They always assume that nothing is going to happen.
theQuestOfHollyGrail 2 years ago 9
haha Vladislav saved himself, thanks to impulsiveness ;)
theQuestOfHollyGrail 2 years ago
great documentary!!!!
sethland 2 years ago 3
yea! i am a divemaster for 5 years now, and must say the russians are fully idiots, everyone hates and laughs of them!!
VasilicaCascaval 2 years ago 2
I think you the silly person if think so of all Russian. As they say every family has its black sheep!
dmitriviento 2 years ago
okay! maybe not all russians are crazy underwater! but u see..... also other persons think like this, and they make movies about the russian divers!!! so...it must be something! i personally saw my russian clients want to break corall in hurghada with full force, and they know its illegal!! so ...russian divers...everyone fear them! sorry! BUT also italians are the same :))
VasilicaCascaval 2 years ago
dmitriviento: Sorry for the late reply! Sure "every amily DOES have its... skeleton n the closet". I am Russina and I was making the film about RUSSIAN divers, I don't mean to say they are the "worst", I'm just investigating why ther were too many trgic acidents in 2006-2007
overseasmedia 2 years ago
VasilicaCascaval : No,no they have never been found... unfortunately
overseasmedia 2 years ago
To hell with you Vasilica! You are a typical European consumer and a coward deep in heart. You have never fought in Chechnya and never held the ground to the last cartridge. We, Russians, are sometimes reckless, but we are not like you, we are of different flesh. Remember it.
Blagoff 2 years ago
Blagoff: Nice one... but what does have Chehcnya to do with diving??!
overseasmedia 2 years ago
Here, i must say something. The name of the Egyptian instructor is Mahmoud. It was in Marsa Alam. I was there diving with him one week before this dreadful accident. I couldn't believe my eyes when i read it in the newspaper. He was very Sure, equipment was poor. Yes, the boat was rented. careful. REALLY experienced. He dove Elphinstone all the time, and i felt completely safe diving there with him. He kept an eye on me all the time and i am a rescue diver!! Take care of your own life.
myra21mei 2 years ago
but wait a minute!!! that 5 floating at elphistone, they are dead???? i am sure they heve been found floating nexy day!! no????
VasilicaCascaval 2 years ago
Damn.... I don't even dive,but I have common sense. You don't go to space in
a broken suit,pretty simple.
sigerfjord366 2 years ago 2
Did they all have brain damage? All you need to do is read one introductory book on diving to know you don't go down 90m on air, or one tank of anything. You don't go into caves with one light. You bring signaling devices like strobes, flares, beacons...
jellyfishattack 2 years ago 3
I heard Italians and Frenchmen are on the top among accidents.
paronfisk 2 years ago
the scenario where the solo divers weights fell off kind of scares me. it could happen to anyone, and i dont know if i could deflate fast enough. made me think a little.
Shadapaga 2 years ago
Shadapaga: My advice is very simple: there is no reason to become a"solo diver". Your buddy is your back up "brain", and it would have helped a lot to have a buddy during such a challenging dive.
overseasmedia 2 years ago
of course of course
Shadapaga 2 years ago
thats why i never wear a weightbelt with a plastic buckle, had them fail on me before and the weightbelt just slipps off, lucky i caught it.
Jolinator 2 years ago
I put my belt under the BCD straps.
paronfisk 2 years ago
isn't a key rule of diving is to never dive alone? He violated that rule right there! Rules exist for a reason!
javawhz 2 years ago
actually you can do solo diver courses and solo divers carry a huge amount of redundancy equipment and are supposed to surface with at least 100bar (double what is normal) tbh losing your weights is a worst case scenario and most divers would be hard pressed to cope with it even with a buddy. Doing an open water ascent and losing your weights without anything nearby to hold onto is a damage limitation scenario.
chaz567123456789 2 years ago
chaz567123456789 : So what's the reason for a "solo- diving"? ?!
overseasmedia 2 years ago
mostly just to compliment your own training, i.e train you to become more self sufficient (several times when I've been diving my buddy has been an incompetent moron). Obviously its best to dive with a buddy but even if for nothing else it gets you thinking about how you would manage situations if you were suddenly without a buddy. I would highly recommend doing one actually!
chaz567123456789 2 years ago
its very sad but those people are sooooo stupid !
DiverBoy77 2 years ago
this video is a little racist LOL JK
I LOVE DIVING GO PADI
DiverBoy77 2 years ago
Not so much racist as true, unfortunately. It's the same with skydiving - Russians are notorious for being incredibly cavalier about safety. I can't understand it - it's your life, it's your gear, check and recheck until YOU trust that YOU are safe.
merpette 2 years ago
PADI is like any big world wide organization. Some are good instructors others may not be. My dive Master was very rigourous. He failed 4 students out of ten in my OW class. Don't spread the rumours, learn the facts NOOBS!!!
highdesertjim 2 years ago
highdesertjim: What kind of "facts" do you MEAN I should "learn"?
overseasmedia 2 years ago
F*cking IDIOTS!!! What do think is going to happen if there's a problem? 80M in a cave dive with one light. MORONS! Your will means nothing in a hostile environment. Good to get these fools out of the gene pool. Sorry, but its the truth.
Lehmann108 2 years ago
Lehmann you can have 2 flash lights and both can fail.
You can loose weights.
pretty much any accident can happen
adam5x19 2 years ago
Of course, but safety is redundancy with critical aspects of your gear. The odds of two flashlights going out is essentially nil. Doing a cave dive with only one light is pushing the risk envelop way to far. If the light goes out you will most probably die. Period.
Lehmann108 2 years ago
Ask every instructor who need to train Russian guys. It is the most dangerous training- They are looked for exterme dives without any experience and think that if they pay for divings they can received all they want
303903348 2 years ago
Wow
TomTIGER69 2 years ago
AND IF YOUR A EGYPTIAN DON'T BE A guide
FINAK YA HABIBI diania el walad ill kalb
faris5m1t4l 3 years ago
so in short if your Russian dont get in water
cpuneronet 3 years ago 5
@cpuneronet Haha, well I don't think its fair to apply this to all Russians, just that their cultural background lends itself to some attitudes that are not safe in conjunction with diving. Other cultures/activities are like this too, classic case is Singaporean culture and and flying as evidenced by Singapore Airlines shocking safety record prior to this decade. That has largely been fixed by very stringent training, but the point remains. Do it by the book!
MudRat02 1 year ago
@MudRat02 well said man
cpuneronet 1 year ago
WHO DIVES 80M with 1 light, are you insane???????.their is training, then there is common sense.
Jolinator 3 years ago 2
Jolinator: As you seethere are some individuals who prefer to dive with 1 light.
overseasmedia 3 years ago
Curious about this video, what was it for? Did it air on tv? I saw part 3 by chance, and thought it was just a PR video. Can you post links so I can watch more?
I think it's well written!
noantsproductions 3 years ago
noantsproductions: Yes, it will be aired on Russian TV on the 3d of January 2009. Part 3 is not "just a PR video" but an integral part of the part of the documentary. Just wonder what makes you think that's a "PR video"?
overseasmedia 3 years ago
haha hey no pun intended :) it just seemed to be all about GUE (this particular segment), and I thought nothing of it when I marked it as "favorite" several months ago. ...I guess it was pro GUE and --I don't know what makes a PR video a PR video anyway (just promote GUE). I meant I never thought it was more than 10 minutes long and a documentary at that. Now I'm glad it is and want a copy!
noantsproductions 3 years ago
noantsproductions: #1 I just asked because I like to speak with my audience and I like to know their opinion regarding the videos, so worries. That's not all about GUE, but its training, that I ppersonally consider to be the best in regards of the dive safety at the moment.
overseasmedia 3 years ago
Me too. I've taken the Fundamentals, and am a PADI Dive Master. I'm scheduled to take tech1 next month!:)
As I've mentioned privately, and I've no shame to tell everyone -- I just saw ALL YOUR VIDEOS!
I like the feel and treatment of the videos.
noantsproductions 3 years ago
noantsproductions#2: since we have been talking about Russian divers and their fatal accidents, we came to the conslusion that those accidents were the result of the poor dive training received by the deseased. I had to offer an alternative training system that from my POV will guarantee no deep air and solo dives amongst their students. I just don't know any other training agency with the same standards, if I did, I'd certainly mention them too.
overseasmedia 3 years ago
When I said "me too" I meant I too think GUE has the best standards today.
Watching all these parts still leaves me short handed :) I'd still like to see the whole thing! I'm more intregued as I saw the Yuri fatal dive (with relatives/friends comments) here on YouTube and didn't connect that it was part of the GUE "PR" video segment and a longer documentry at that.
Would you recommend other diving documentaries?
noantsproductions 3 years ago
noantsproductions: I understand that! Yuri Lipski video is from the "Sacred Truth" documentary and GUE segment is from "Idiosyncrasies of Russian Diving". There are two different documentaries.
overseasmedia 3 years ago
How can I get a copy of BOTH documentaries???:)
noantsproductions 3 years ago
noantsproductions: Sure! I will send you both!
overseasmedia 3 years ago
This is the best Christmas ever! :)
noantsproductions 3 years ago
i dont think so i dont go past 40meters
skyline0101 3 years ago
stupied Russians.
90 m. with single thank and not this only that. USING air for that!!!
any how let them rest in peace
branosh 3 years ago
branosh: There are stupid people everywhere! but Russians are more prone to ignorance than any other nationalities.That's true.
scubazmei 3 years ago 2
i want that documentary in russian how it called?
AntiKoloEmo 3 years ago
AntiKoloEmo: "Osobennosti nacional'nogo Daivinga".
overseasmedia 3 years ago
ya PADI scuba diver )) (u4inik)
AntiKoloEmo 3 years ago
Nice clip, good job! I would love to see the full documentary. Cheers, Jonny
diverjonny 3 years ago
diverjonny: Hey there Jonny! I will post you the DVD as soon as it's released! Thanks for the comment
overseasmedia 3 years ago
the Russians had no flashlights, but I'm sure they had vodka and cigarettes on the dive
pimpis70 3 years ago
pimpis70: No, they didn't have any vodka and cigarettes in that case.
overseasmedia 3 years ago
haha omg
водка фор евер
AntiKoloEmo 3 years ago
AntiKoloEmo: Not sure about "водка фор евер " in those cases. However I heard that Russians do like to drink vodka before the dive.
overseasmedia 3 years ago
vodka not help from could just make it worse
when human could the "hot" blood stay on the main body to warm sensitive organs like heart stomah and etc. for that reason the fist points who cold first is hand-arms and feet-legs.
now when human drink the blood start to run fast so the "hot" blood goes to the hand-arms,feet-legas and left the main body unprotectable so for that reason human "thinks" when he drink it better and warmer.
NEVER DRIN ALCOHOL WHEN YOU COULD NEVER!! YOU CAN DIE!
AntiKoloEmo 3 years ago
sry but my english is sux if you dont unterstand tell me i will try to explain
im advanced diver too o know some things
AntiKoloEmo 3 years ago
AntiKoloEmo: Hmmm... drinking blood...Are you a sportsman?
overseasmedia 3 years ago
was... i have stoped 2 years ago
AntiKoloEmo 3 years ago
Backtoback67: Hi there... What do you mean??
overseasmedia 3 years ago
Russians are stupid so what do you expect to happen but its still very sad to hear about this kinda stuff. and wow they dive too deep for new divers. ive been diving and 30 meters is deep but 90 meters wow too deep for new divers to learn at
texasman1985 3 years ago
texasman1985: Not all of them are very "stupid", but there are many of them who are, that's true.
overseasmedia 3 years ago
there will always be stupid people, in russia or u.s.a or anywhere, but doesnt mean they are all idiots lol. u guys just love to generalize
Ozzy210 3 years ago
Ozzy210: Hi there, I completely gree with you,there will be always stupid people al around the world, it doesn't have to do anything with their nationality, however Russians do have their very specific "character". Trust me. I am Russian.
overseasmedia 3 years ago
OVERSEASMEDIA, My last comment was from "Personal" experience.But, I am bound to tell you, that even the people who opperate these "PADI" courses, admit that the're in it, "Only For the money!". I strongly advise anyone who want's to "Take Up" this "Dangerous" sport, to join a club, where the other member's will teach, & give you, good, sound advice, for "Free" with only your "Wellbeing" at heart!.
kfotoprm 3 years ago
Like what club? Give me an example, please. Thanks.
oneiropagides 3 years ago
oneiropagides: sorry , I must ave lost it, what club we wre talking about, please remind me....
overseasmedia 3 years ago
Overseasmedia:Hi Elena, Thank`s for your offer. I really appreciate it, but after a severe accident I can`t dive anymore :-(
Greetings from germany, Rainer
rainermb 3 years ago
I agree with you. It`s just making money!! I finished the course with PADI in 4 days. Actually I learned nothing at all. Back in germany I went to SSI for three month to get my OWD!
rainermb 3 years ago
rainermb: Hi there, actualy I had the same experience with PADI and even TDI is not that good to be honest with you.Were sponsoring a week diving in Hughada on board of Tala liveabord (6th -13th of October)the basic scuba divers trained by PADI will be offered to have a 4-5 days of "funadamntal" or "essential" training free of charge, we can take 4 O/W divers with us on the 6th of Septemer, please let me know if any of you guys are interested, cheers, Elena
overseasmedia 3 years ago
People, understand something. PADI courses, are all about MAKEING MONEY!.The safety of their student's is secondary,(unless they hav'nt paid for the course,in "Advance").
kfotoprm 3 years ago
kfotoprm: Hi there, I don't know about money making but I agree that PADI O/W is not a sufficient dive course, they have to reconsider the dive standards and basic skills requirenments.
overseasmedia 3 years ago
Lots of Russians who come to Egypt for holidays are middle class. Living in a country that is overburdened with bureaucracy and corruption, they honestly believe any rules can be bent of you pay enough, have powerful friends or can intimidate well. So, with this mentality they come to Egypt and go diving. Unfortunately for them, sea can't either be bullied, nor it cares about money or wealth. It just punishes those that don't respect it.
bogomolov 3 years ago 2
bogomolov: I completely agree with you, than you very much for the comment!!!
overseasmedia 3 years ago
i hate when documentaries start with scary-type music.
muslimahkiki20 3 years ago
muslimahkiki20: Watch movies with "pleasant" music, we're discussing quite "unpleasant and pretty scary subject" here.
overseasmedia 3 years ago
i know lol. its just that you know something bad is suppose to happen and they have to put the music in.
muslimahkiki20 3 years ago
muslimahkiki20: Hi! Yes, you're right, it's all really very sad what's going on there...
overseasmedia 3 years ago
Idiosyncrasies or not; plently people want to see Russian divers get into big trouble now and don't want to help them. Russian mentality dictates they take big risks and like to die from diving. Let these fucking bastard divers die without risking good divers to try and rescue them.
bacaca88 3 years ago
bacaca88: That was not my intention to make anyone feel sorry for Russian divers nor I wished to say that anyone should rescue irresponsible divers. But sometimes bad things happen to good and responsible divers and you shouldn't judge how good they are upon their nationality. It would be very wrong.
overseasmedia 3 years ago
Do you think there is something wrong with how PADI courses are designed? If so, what can one do to fill the gaps?
soccom8341576 3 years ago
soccom8341576: Yes, I think PADI has to improve their safety skills. . But it depends on what of diving you're involved into and how much do you love diving. I believe that once you're cerified by PADI as an O/W, the best way to fill the gaps is to do GUE Fundamentals course.
overseasmedia 3 years ago
Who scripted this movie? Obviously not anybody with a clear knowledge of diving. Full of errors. "All those divers, with the possible exception of the solo diver, made mistakes"? In reality, the solo diver, too, made a mistake. "No recreational diving below 30 meters"? Where did this "rule" come from? Someone just made this up and presents it as fact.
sundaydiver 3 years ago
sundaydiver: I did scripted the movie together with my partner. I'm a DIR diver, my partner (a TV reporter Boris Koltsov) is a non-DIR diver. I personally think that the solo diver made a mistake, but he doesn't think so. So I had to compromise. Regarding the "recreational diving below 30 m" I'm afaraid that you're mistaken.
overseasmedia 3 years ago
sundaydiver: So where are the errors, I am looking forward for you reply. I think I know more about diving than you but I will appreciate your comments, so.. were they are?
overseasmedia 3 years ago
Russians are drinking too much and they die because of it!
scubazmei 3 years ago
scubazmei: Not all of them, I didn't have enough evidence that any of those divers "were drunk" before the dive or were drinking. So I preferred not to speculate on that issue without a clear evidence.
overseasmedia 3 years ago
in 4:19 did all of them died or teh 1 that swimed alone survived?
Blazerelf 3 years ago
Blazerelf: There were 5 divers all together: 3Russians (Elena, Vladislav, Dmitri) 1 Dutch guy Michel and one Egyptian guide (I can't recall his name, but it should be on the net) Vladislav swam back to the sure, the 4 divers wen missing on Elphinestone reef and there bodies were never found.
overseasmedia 3 years ago
Blazerelf: Also Vadislav was not "tech 1 diver" he was a recreational PADI diver, they all were PADI O/W divers performing the advanced O/W course at Elphinestone.
overseasmedia 3 years ago
apparently these diver didn't drink prior the dives..
vidmaster75 3 years ago
Alot of these deaths could have been avoided, 90m on regular air is a death wish.
MPG350 3 years ago
MPG350: Sure! That's what we're talking about in the film.
scubazmei 3 years ago
MPG350: You're dead right, it could be avoided and that was the bad choice of the divers to do those dives. There are a lot fo them diving this way in the Red Sea unfortunately.
overseasmedia 3 years ago
Kwll
RockinS2 3 years ago
RockinS2: What does Kwll mean?
scubazmei 3 years ago
Too many fatalities, what a waste of lives....
nuno32181 3 years ago
I agree w/ you Nuno. However, when there comes a time that you have to make a choice and don't make it, that is in itself a choice.
Thanks overseasmedia for posting this!
GOneScUBa 3 years ago 2
All divers have the choice to dive or not to dive (with reason or no reason). Instructors should inform new divers about this, divers should not do a specific dive just because the others divers are doing it....
nuno32181 3 years ago
I agree! :)
GOneScUBa 3 years ago