@Kursinphists possible. But, the Shinobi(Ninja)/Samurai had greater access to counter-weapons specific in defeating spear and sword disciplines. Plus, Japanese Armor was pretty light to begin with and that 16 pound bronze shield is not. Even if the Spartan could wield it for battle, he'd tire out before the samurai does and that would be the end of him.
thrand i have a question why would an officer ask questions to a person wearing military issue camo? i been in them multiple times until one day the cops just came to me and patted me down and asked long questions why would they do that if they see you in it? i thought it was only the ski mask.
the cops were called on me and shit i was told by friend it was probably only the ski mask but they asked about the other stuff too
Hey Thrand, when your using the blowdart, I think it would be more powerful to not puff out the cheeks and push air from the belly. Wind players in bands use it because it produces louder volumes. Not saying that they are the same or even closely related, but just a thought.
It is funny how you bash each other in you're backyard then call yourself expert. You are even worst then deadliest warrior at least they uses up to date technology instead of Stupid Theory like you.
@LoneMyth Hey, I don't see you fighting for your opinion on the matter. I admit that their methods are almost primitive, but they are doing something about their disagreements.
@LoneMyth It's also funny how dumbshits like you criticize and can't back your mouth up. I know these people in RL and i'll have you know, they know exactly what the hell they're talking about. They do the research and don't put on a fascade for entertainment like deadliest warrior does. So get your facts straight before you start running that trap of yours.
@Devinmmoreno If you think there so called research is any accurate by bashing themselves with sticks it just further proves you are an idiot .
They don't know Ancient history and they don't know how the warriors fought and lived. They only know what the pop culture tell them. And you know them personally just only shows you are a loser like them. If you think they are smart just further proves you have a lower IQ to them.
@LoneMyth Their knowledge with the techniques practiced by both sides is actually vast and accurate. They don't just get shields and swords, go to their backyard and swing wildly with knowledge from pop culture. Also, these people are the most non-brainwashed people that I know. That's because I am in constant contact and interaction with all types of people who hold doctorate degrees from psychologists to philosophists. So I can guarantee you they are not of a low IQ, nor am I.
I have to disagree with you by saying Spartan is inferior to the Ninja and Samurai. All of your test is flawed at best. You're weapons are not even accurate and not how to use them properly.You don't know how a Spartan, Ninja, Samurai fight and train.
Ninja armor is not all that great. Samurai weapons is inferior to the Spartan.
Thank you for putting this up. Sometimes it can just be such a relief to see someone showing argument based on logic. I feel there are too many brainwashed fanboys on either side.
A bow can loose arrows faster than a crossbow, about 3 arrows for every 2 bolts. The samurai would be able to get 2 shots and switch to his sword, but he'd be dead if he went for a third or if he was slow on the draw.
For those that don't know, you don't "fire" an arrow. Fire comes from the age of gunpowder. There is no fire involved with shooting an arrow so the term fire does not apply to bows and crossbows.
Not rooting for either side but maybe the spartans were more conditioned for using the shields that way than you are? All things considered, they probably trained for a pretty long amount of time with the shield therefore building up specific muscle groups for that purpose?
Not questioning your techniques or physical abilities, just saying.
Uh the guy in the video looked buffer than you even if the shield attack is retarded. Also, the kanabo is inherently a bad mace design since it's a heavy spread out over a wide area, if the force was conterated in a smaller area, it would a much more effective weapon. Also, a strap shield design, can safely withstand that, it just requires different defensive techniques, faced with the a heavy weapon you would have to try to deflect the force, not punch out or take like with a center boss.
I would really like a test of a pila against the Viking shield, in Roman accounts it often says that German and Celtic shields (which I assumed would be of the same design as the Viking shield you have) were pierced and even pinned together by a single Roman pila. I'd like to see it happen.
Dude you don't know how much of an ass kicking a ninja would get at the hands of a spartan. I am sure ninjas weren't white trash nerds who's kids are in the house looking at their loser brother or loser dad.
@skyhigh2ful The Ninja and Samurai were one and the same and if you really feel you are superior we should set up some sort of competition to see your true skill and how you have come to this conclusion based on your superior knowledge from movies,comics ,animie and the like :P
@ThegnThrand no they weren't, they were completely different. Ninja were farmers who rose up against the Samurai because they felt oppressed, they had to used improvised weapons and stealth, the samurai were highly trained warriors. The ninjas used thing like flower in small bags as a smoke bomb, Samurai's used things like the Katana, (to fight with) and the wakizashi used to finnish of enemys i think. theres more wepons tbh but just sayin.
@itzAtrailerWarferret I am a member of the Bujinkan and study Bujinkan Budo Taijutsu and have researched ninja history and samurai they Ninja came from the samurai and warrior caste period. They were not peasants you are speaking of Okinawan karate :P
@itzAtrailerWarferret the only way you could believe other wise is you got your information from 80's movies Steven K Hays in the 80's or from Deadliest Warrior guess what they were all wrong period. Meaning you have no idea what you are talking about and not ninja nor Samurai historian of any kind. I study Toga kure ryu Ninjutsu ,Bujinkan Budo Taiutsu or Bujinkan Nipo Taijutsu and welll versed in History as well :P
@RichardAshendale This is not true .From this statement I can tell you have not done any research yourself nice try though. I am a member of the Bujinkan and have researched Ninjutsu since the early 80's. The Samurai is were the art came from it was practiced by Samurai. Being a Ninja was not an occupation by it self most Ninja Families were Samurai owned Sword Schools and trained early Samurai in Fighting arts., Ninjutsu is just the art of stealth. An Early Samurai was just a Warrior.
Seriously at 1:20 the guy fighting as the Spartan was ridiculous and an insult to the prowess of a Spartan, fkin let me do it and it'll look a whole lot different, ThegnThrand obviously half know's what he's doing the other guy was pathetic ..... sorry had to be said, for a Spartan you need a strong guy who know's how to use the shield, spear and short sword properly, as I said I'd fit that bill a lot better.
If you would like to fight me in full Spartan gear you as Samurai I believe you would find that your assumption is very poor and you have no true knowledge of what you speak of.
@ThegnThrand I wouldn't fight as the Samurai I would want to fight as the Spartan because that's the side in the sparring which i feel was not represented properly also I know that skill set and weapons a lot more than just using the Katana.
It would be fun and you would not find me the easy target your friend was because I know the form and tactics of a hoplite a lot more than your sparring partner did and I'm stronger judging by his frame.
@khasseki You do know that the Samurai vs. Spartan match was my best friend Marqez not Eldgrimr I was fighting , and I was the Spartan. The match I want is me representing the Ninja / Samurai vs Spartan but did not have any one skilled with spartan gear other than me to do so. Marqez trained with me for years European Hand and half ,great sword and well as Japanese styles of and on so he was my best choice for Samurai At the time. I plan on doing one with me as Samurai and Ninja.
Not exactly a fair comparison the Ninja and the Spartans were 1,000 years apart, of course 14th century Japan was going to have better weapon technology.
It all depends on the man but in a head to head fight a Spartan with comparable metal quality armour and weapons is going to win imo, Ninja's were spy's/Assassins, Spartans would of had a lot more actual combat experience, as i stated it mainly depends on the individual, anyway there's a lot of bias in this video, I'd do mock fighting with u.
@khasseki This Video is not Biased But a comparison to the best of my ability and and the out come was from my personal experience of over 25 years research and test. The point was to dispute the Findings Deadliest Warrior said was facts with no bases in Physics nor history. The Wrap up will be coming out soon and we will re explore the fights but with better weapons and ideas based on History and good testing. We were merely stating Deadliest Warriors out come was wrong as well as set up/test .
@ThegnThrand Ok fair enough but just to add my 2 cents, my main issue is not so much with the testing as the shield strike theory i agree with but when doing the mock sparring people miss out when discussing the Spartans is that what made them special is not weapons so to speak as their phalanx was no different to an Athenian phalanx but it was the quality of their hoplites over the rest of Greece which the Ogage training they went through insured.
You've covered about 90% of everything I've been trying to say for the last year. I know people who support the Spartan, saying they had the greatest amount of skill and toughness of any warrior, and they only cite 300 and DW has a reference.
You can even show them the proper history of a warriors culture from a credible source and they'll sit back and argue from what they saw from TV. it can get very annoying.
what most of you seem to forget is that it was an honor for a spartan to die in battle. the reason i say this is because the spartan wouldn't care if he as stabbed they wouldnt hesitate to charge at you.
@BusterAmmo Nor was Viking , Ninja / Samurai either afraid to die but only a fool would rush to his death with out hesitation and thought that is not bravery and would just lead to more deaths on his part.
What is the Spartan Hoplon made of? I'm shocked at its ineffectiveness as an offensive weapon - after being astonished how lethal it was on DW. It isn't bronze right?
This is a well thought out video, and far more thorough than Deadliest Warrior Show. With that said, I am surprised the show didn't touch on how Spartans trained in stealth assassination, thievery, and spying. The other point I would like to touch upon is the Japanese may have had access to volcanic glass, which is very sharp given how its naturally fractures when hit as a perpendicular angle.
@ExplosiveBiscuit The Ninja had armor available historically for night ops and clandestine circumstances as well as full Samurai field armor they could have used depending on the circumstances they faced. Most Ninja were Samurai and this was normal for a Samurai to practice Ninjutsu Spying and Stealth not the other way around they were the elite of the Samurai not a special class separate from the Samurai all together although some historical ninja were not Samurai most were.
@ThegnThrand To add at one time in history they say out of every 100 Samurai 10 would be Ninja or Shinobi and the 10 were worth more than a hundred much like our modern special forces.
@ExplosiveBiscuit Ninjutsu all by it self is not a warrior fighting art the Samurai arts were adapted to form the modern styles of fighting,killing and defense for use with Ninjutsu , Meaning fighting styles were very similar just adapted to spying and surprise with specialized weapon and tools for those uses.
If a Spartan went inside the jungle at night with ninjas they are sure to die... but if a ninja went out into a open well lighted field... the Spartan would win...
@lilnati904 Ninjas had bombs as well. Not just the flash and run kind but also actual ones with deadly force. At the right time, the ninja could use it and old Leonidas would be one charred, Greek lion.
How do think doing a thrusting attack with a Japanese spear like a Naginata or Yari would fare against the Spartan shield and/or armor? I remember in the Spartan vs Samurai bit, they deliberately avoided stabbing at Spartan defense.
@Kursinphists You've got to understand that the attacks are coming from a warrior who has just as much skill and training with their weapons. Samurai and ninja would be using their weapons at maximum efficiency and would be able to deal attacks that could easily penetrate armor from warriors of their own time (ie: other samurai and ninja), so its no surprise that Thrand's test show that more advanced Japanese weaponry can break through Spartan bronze.
and what the hell was up with the shield vs cinder block test. try not using a concrete block to relate to a human head. i would think a fully grown man you size would be able to hit harder then that anyways. as i said the tests are bias. any person with some general strength can do better then that. and lets try that overhand blow to your friends face concidering u think its so harmless. im assuming we will see a whole different matter
@hiimandrewspoon The cinder-block was to demonstrate the shields effectiveness. Since a cinder-block is far more rigid than a human head, its plain to everyone but you apparently why he used it as a test subject.
the katana vs sword defense was off solely for the reason that the Spartans always had there shield with them. they did majority of they're blocking with the shield so the katana wouldn't have a chance to reach the sword. the blow darts wouldent have gotten anything because the armor once again and if your out of the reach of the spartans spear then he has the time to block the darts with his shield anyways
@hiimandrewspoon The Fukiya or blowgun point blank if used as metsubushi a distraction shot at the eyes from a hidden or short tubed weapon by surprise travels to fast to block with the shield .Sorry but it does you did not see the test. Even the Boshuriken were very difficult to block with a 16 lbs shield at about 10 feet or so were you would opportunely draw and throw unsuspectingly.
your opinion was decent on some things and you've deffinately shown me a different aspect of the ninjas skills however, your tests were very bias in that almost none of the things used to test were anything close to the human body. for one thing those spikes couldent have even reached close to human flesh because they would never penetrate through the bronze armor and you would need to get closer then the reach of the spear in order to throw one anyways.
@hiimandrewspoon The spear can be grabbed by the shaft or easily dodged plus all ranged weapons such as Fukija ,shuriken and even metsubushi can be used out side the range of the spear 7' to 9' even the Dory was normally 8'. You will probably like our wrap up will indeed show how the Spartan might have very well done better with other weapons available to him in his time not using Deadliest Warriors assumptions or limitations based on Vase paintings were they even ride dolphins in to battle :P
In an older video you showed that the Samurai's single slashing blade was no match for the Viking sword and shield combo. You demonstrated and verbalized that the sword and shield's ability to defend and attack simultaneously was no match for a single edged blade which could only do one at a time. In this video, you made it seem as though the katana had the edge vs. the Spartan shield and xiphos. I can't help but be confused here.
@TheSecondStage Different shield construction,weight and held by center boss not strapped to the arm. We tested the length Xiphos Deadliest Warrior used the Spartan did have longer Xiphos available which we will test in the Wrap up we were just disputing Deadliest Warrior test results and findings. I believe you will be surprised in the wrap up of this and we plan a Viking Vs. Samurai simulated combat as well :P
IMHO the samurai woudl be in disadvantage when concerning the Katana vs Spartans Xyphos and Aspis "combo".In the "Conquest" series they demonstrate asomething simillar,roman gladius and scuttum vs gaulish long sword.
I am going out to say this. Every test ThegnThrand is doing is not great at all. HIs logic is Dumb at best.
ThegnThrand is doing the shield bashing is all wrong. A small skinny man is trying to lift a fake shield which is not identical to a real Hoplon. All his test in this video is meaningless
The Shield used is actual weight to a Aspis or Hoplon like the Vatican Shield based on it and weighing 16lbs 24lbs such as Deadliest Warrior Said they used would have been even less favorable in results. I am not a skinny man and would have been slightly bigger and just as strong if not stronger than an average Spartan sorry but do some historical research you are basing opinion on fantasy such as movies and entertainment not reality :P
@ThegnThrand what exactly makes you think your physically as strong, if not stronger than a spartan? Spartans were athletes and dedicated most of their time to training. Though i disagree with lonemyth calling you skinny, you dont appear to be an athlete either. spartans were famous for their rigorous training regime. Strength training, gymnastics, pankration, running, running in armor were all a regular part of their training Im sorry, but i dont think you come close. you do this as a hobby,
@ThegnThrand they dedicated their lives to it. look up "oktonyktia". Spartans pushed themselves to the limit. Im not saying they were body builders, they weren't, But they would have been in incredible shape, due to their rigorous active life style and healthy diet. As a man with a family, job ( i assume), and other obligations, you dont have the time to put into training like a spartan.
@LoneMyth May I ask what is not Identical other than it not having a very thin layer of bronze it was oak and exact weight even with out bronze and was constructed to be exact to the Vatican shield. How is it being used wrong to attack with ? Normally it would not be used to attack with this cam from 300 and Deadliest Warrior. I am not skinny at all by the way nor weak. I have been a member of the SCA and Bujinkan for almost 25 years what are you qualifications other than video up loads ? :P
This is a cute home made video with weapons ordered off of decor websites like true swords or cold steel. But the fact that you think you can even come close to simulating a Spartan shield bash is beyond me, especially when 24 lbs is a third of your little body and skinny arms. You act like you've lived the life of one of these historical warriors, when in reality you have become excited by the show just like any other kid picking up a lightsaber after they've seen Star Wars.
@GavinStudios Of course he's excited. It's his interest. Who wouldn't get excited over what he/she loves doing? But the fact that he looks for the facts, trains for the facts...you know what man? If you really think you can do better, then show him how it's done with an actual video. But I doubt you have one. The only thing big about you is your pride and armchair.
@Jadandlud Ok, so first off i'll tell you that this training means absolutely nothing in the context of history. Deadliest warrior is more entertainment than objective, there is no way they can simulate what a warrior would have done in the past. It is fun watching ill admit, but almost everything they talk about is theoretical. Second, I do think its cool that they're having fun, but for them to get all serious about it is just plain stupid, they should be using some of those tools to fix .....
@GavinStudios their yard up. Thirdly, yes, I do have a lot of pride, but my armchair is not that big, nor is it comfortable. Fourthly, I don't have time to play in my backyard, nor am I an expert, but I am smart enough to see 2 grown-ups bored out of their mind. Finally, do not play the judgment card, as I have more passion for what I do more than you ever will in 30 of your lifetimes. I love to play guitar, I love music, I love exercise, I love to unicycle, I even find passion in school.
@GavinStudios A Skald/Bard and Scholar very good for you.I am a Warrior.So you are judging me by what advanced knowledge? personal experience?A movie? Possible Book or fantasy you have? We love making these videos in our spare time.It is not often I get to show any of my research and knowledge with people,Deadliest Warrior gave me an excuse to have fun calling them on their Scripted mistakes and misconception about actual Combat of the early ages.
@ThegnThrand a "warrior" thrand? really?! playing ninja and samurai in the bujinkan, does not make you a warrior. You and your buddies beating each other with sticks, does not make you a warrior. Your no more a "warrior" than anyone else here.
@wwttff121 teach us what exactly? how to make a semi entertaining video that focuses completely on one persons bias and is riddled with historical inaccuracy? Iv seen his video, iv debated with him and showed him to know next to nothing about hoplites, The fact that he believes they were barefoot and at one point argued they used bronze swords shows this. It annoys me that he tries to carry himself as somehow being an expert in all forms of ancient combat when he isn't. Hes also delusional
@wwttff121 calling himself a "warrior", when all he is, is just some guy who like to play dress up and play fight with friends. So, turn your caps lock off, it only makes you look like a douche bag. If you have a problem with what i said, then tell me exactly how thrand is a "warrior"?
@KrimzonKnight01 I have knowledge of these ancient warrior.I am a member of the Bujikan and practice Bujinkan Budo Taijutsu and have for 25 or so years researched Japanese history/Comabt the Ninja and Samurai.I will be leaving for my Combat Lab in just a few minutes but had to reply.Bujinkan Budo Taijutsu is 3 arts of Ninjutsu and 6 Budo of the Samurai dating back to the 9th century.I have studied European and Scandinavian medieval history for over 25 years as well as Combat.
@ThegnThrand Meaning I fight in many different styles of combat and have trained and studied many different styles of combat and warriors not even listed.So what I am asking how am I not a warrior? If it takes more than 25 to be considered accomplished in a field of study then I guess no should be consider worthy to add any input on the subjects at hand LULZ
@ThegnThrand your not a warrior because you dont actually fight anyone thrand. You play around with friends, spar, thats it. You dont go through what real warriors go through. You study MA and history recreationally. Youve convinced yourself that somehow you can count yourself among the real warriors that fought and died on ancient battlefields, thats the real LULZ inducer. If you wanna be a real warrior, thrand, quit your job, join the military
@KrimzonKnight01 With current situation of the Government I would never do that.They attack and kill innocent people for monetary gain.Plus I am too old and have many injuries :P
@KrimzonKnight01 You really do not know anything about Scandinavian culture at all.You are no better than Deadliest Warrior using Hollywood stereotypes.
@ThegnThrand viking means raider, no? then by definition, if you went around pillaging and what not, you would be a viking. When exactly did i state that all Scandinavians were vikings?
@KrimzonKnight01 You are acting as if all Scandinavians were not warrior class during the pagan era.Due to modern stereotyping all Scandinavians from the viking era are seen as vikings.Which are raiders,settlers or merchants.Some were not but all could fight and fight well by the Christian European standard.A Vikingr was normally a pirate and out cast but to go a Vik meant to go trading,exploring and yes sometimes raiding.So yes the word Viking has no historical meaning as used.
@ThegnThrand I knew that viking was an explorer, merchant ect.But i had understood that at one point the word came to specifically refer to raiders/pirates. I read somewhere that sagas even talk about moorish vikings, or something along those lines.
@KrimzonKnight01 You watch too many movies. Anyone who is athletic, strong, will be a good fighter. Going through the motions of joining the us military is meaningless and does not make you a "real" fighter under any circumstances.
@tallswede80 A U.S military soldier would be an expert on modern battle tactics that he has learned and had experience in.Let say if you gave him medieval weapons armor and put him against a reenactor who actually fights with these styles weapons and tactics he would loose out right where he has no experience/training.We are comparing ancient warriors and weapons how would this help in the comparison.Only historical knowledge and combat experience would based on the warrior at hand.
@ThegnThrand your right, a soldier would probably lose. But put a reenactor or martial artist on a battle field with real weapons and his life on the line, and hed shit his pants. Im saying that the relatively safe and controlled environments of modern day reenactors and martial artists dont compare to the real conditions of a real life a death fight or a battlefield. Its like saying playing a game paintball is equivalent to a real firefight. You can apply real techniques and strategies, but it
@tallswede80 no, i simply know people in the military. I agree with you that simply joining the army will not make you a warrior. I think the only way you can call yourself that if you actually see battle. practicing Martial arts or reenacting are not sufficient for someone to start calling themselves real warriors imho.
@KrimzonKnight01 You might be right because if you've never killed someone before it might be difficult to do for the first time. Of course, i've never killed anyone so i don't know for sure but that just proves the point. But I know that dropping a bomb is far different than killing someone with a knife. Ancient warriors fought real battles. Modern warfare is not really battle, it's just using technology to blow stuff up.
@ThegnThrand , leave your wife and sons behind, knowing you may never see them again, to go off a fight and possibly die in some distant land, lose men you come to see as brothers; endure the blood and guts of war. These are the people that are the real warriors in todays society, not the guys who go and roll around on matts at a local dojo.
@EvilDarkJackel well of course you'd drop your shield when running away, its size would make it a hinderance.I never said otherwise. i was just replying to your comment that it was impossible to run with the aspis and that you'd develop back issues.
@EvilDarkJackel its not like they are swinging the thing though. you brace your arm and use your shoulder to help support the weight, if you trained properly and know what your doing, it shouldn't affect you. spartans served till the age of 60 so they would have stayed active and in good shape.
@EvilDarkJackel if you know your self and the enemy you know whos stronger and your not fighting somebody stronger than you and fif they know that as well they will not fight you or you ar going to avoid a batle wit them...
sry did not find bether words i hope you undersand now.
@EvilDarkJackel If you know the enemy and know yourself, you need not fear the result of a hundred battles. If you know yourself but not the enemy, for every victory gained you will also suffer a defeat. If you know neither the enemy nor yourself, you will succumb in every battle.
@EvilDarkJackel you know this its kind of idiotic to ask this question becaus the answer is always yes then if you chan think about it your not going to realize it or your unable to anwer it honestly because of your pride.
Splendid demo Thrand. I especially liked your display of the Aspis's (lack of) killing power, and how a 24ibl shield would not be fast enough to strike a killing blow.
My main problem with the samurai-spartan match up was the spear. The live test showed the spear tip bent heavily against the saumrai's chestplate, yet the spear was the most effective weapon in the sim, scoring over 300 kills.
In your opinion, who'd win a viking-spartan fight?
@EvilDarkJackel running with an aspis impossible? The hoplitodromos was a race in which the participants sprinted with the aspis as well as wearing greaves and a helmet. it was an olympic event and also was practiced at other games. the distance could vary from but could be 400M or more. It was also a military training exercise, and when so would probably been done in full gear.
@EvilDarkJackel i do dislike hollywod but you have clearly writen on your chanel that you like it and whos the one talking about movie ninjas have you ever learnd martial ats from a proper master
as you say their a LARGE NUMBER OF PEOPLE exchanging expirience and knowledge... and how do you think martial arts was deweloped?
they are cheap do their job fast and clean so why not?
@EvilDarkJackel Would a samurai who considered harakiri just do die honorably consider to do something dishonorable like spying on somebody or even assassionate somebody?
i did not do very much research on pankration but i know their shield was also to protect their buddy next to them
and about the weight tey probably get used to it from the childhood on
@EvilDarkJackel This is not true you are talking about gearing from 1000 years difference we have a Viking vs. Samurai fight set up in the near future as well :P
hicks fighting in a backyard who werent trained properly in either of these arts, trying to run their own show with quotes from history books and hearsay evidence? wut?
@jacktheripperVII The Samurai which era are you talking about ?The honor you speak of was made up in the later century's in writings. The Ninja came from the Samurai Caste.Early period the word Samurai only meant a middle are high class Warrior and they did not have the honor code that is popularly portrayed now because it had not been romanticized like it has now and was created by the Daimyo / Lords to try and get total obedience from their warriors later on not early period.
@ThegnThrand Also out of every 100 Samurai there would normally be 10 trained in ninjutsu and the Daimyos swore 10 Ninja or shinobi were equal to 100 Samurai any day in affect. Why because the used stealth to spy,Sabotage,assassinate,infiltrate,Steal ect.
@ThegnThrand After this video, I had a lot more respect for the ninja. They are kickass! I also liked the little stealth demonstration in the middle. Way to pull up that bar!
@jacktheripperVII The Shinobi was just a different type of fighter like you have marines and the navy now. Ninja's were deployed for certain combat maneuvers and tactical positioning. Likely, some Lord was being pummeled by infiltration and declared all ninja to be without honor.
Do you do any videos involving archery? i'd be interested in seeing the different styles of bows and arrows the different cultures used.
For example, different shooting or reloading techniques, different arrow heads etc.
GOBRAGH2 1 week ago
thrand, when are you going to post new videos?
mechupanlamonda 1 week ago
Anyone see that this is2 hours
SuperRoadkill10 2 weeks ago
Can a Recurve Composite bow penetrate a Bronze muscle cuirass????
WarriorMind556 3 weeks ago
Did you make that blowgun or did you buy it?
tarquinogilvie 3 weeks ago
@Kursinphists possible. But, the Shinobi(Ninja)/Samurai had greater access to counter-weapons specific in defeating spear and sword disciplines. Plus, Japanese Armor was pretty light to begin with and that 16 pound bronze shield is not. Even if the Spartan could wield it for battle, he'd tire out before the samurai does and that would be the end of him.
Jadandlud 1 month ago
There is a little girls ghost in the background in the window at 004:40
LasVegasStripT 1 month ago
@LasVegasStripT LMFAO OH SHIT!
lions4life2 1 month ago
Well, time to play some Naruto. :)
LasVegasStripT 1 month ago
thrand i have a question why would an officer ask questions to a person wearing military issue camo? i been in them multiple times until one day the cops just came to me and patted me down and asked long questions why would they do that if they see you in it? i thought it was only the ski mask.
the cops were called on me and shit i was told by friend it was probably only the ski mask but they asked about the other stuff too
laladoodieincarnate 1 month ago
Real Metsubushi didn't use just pepper.... they used peppers, chalk and metal scraps... that would have fucked you
Terrorgnom01 1 month ago
Spartans can suck my dick
chingchong9ify 2 months ago
@chingchong9ify fuck you
TheSlimLP 2 weeks ago
Hey Thrand, when your using the blowdart, I think it would be more powerful to not puff out the cheeks and push air from the belly. Wind players in bands use it because it produces louder volumes. Not saying that they are the same or even closely related, but just a thought.
napalmcannon 2 months ago
It is funny how you bash each other in you're backyard then call yourself expert. You are even worst then deadliest warrior at least they uses up to date technology instead of Stupid Theory like you.
LoneMyth 2 months ago
@LoneMyth Hey, I don't see you fighting for your opinion on the matter. I admit that their methods are almost primitive, but they are doing something about their disagreements.
Titanwriter 2 months ago
@Titanwriter In due time.
LoneMyth 2 months ago
@LoneMyth It's also funny how dumbshits like you criticize and can't back your mouth up. I know these people in RL and i'll have you know, they know exactly what the hell they're talking about. They do the research and don't put on a fascade for entertainment like deadliest warrior does. So get your facts straight before you start running that trap of yours.
Devinmmoreno 2 months ago in playlist Favorite videos
@Devinmmoreno If you think there so called research is any accurate by bashing themselves with sticks it just further proves you are an idiot .
They don't know Ancient history and they don't know how the warriors fought and lived. They only know what the pop culture tell them. And you know them personally just only shows you are a loser like them. If you think they are smart just further proves you have a lower IQ to them.
LoneMyth 1 month ago
@LoneMyth Their knowledge with the techniques practiced by both sides is actually vast and accurate. They don't just get shields and swords, go to their backyard and swing wildly with knowledge from pop culture. Also, these people are the most non-brainwashed people that I know. That's because I am in constant contact and interaction with all types of people who hold doctorate degrees from psychologists to philosophists. So I can guarantee you they are not of a low IQ, nor am I.
Devinmmoreno 1 month ago 2
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I have to disagree with you by saying Spartan is inferior to the Ninja and Samurai. All of your test is flawed at best. You're weapons are not even accurate and not how to use them properly.You don't know how a Spartan, Ninja, Samurai fight and train.
Ninja armor is not all that great. Samurai weapons is inferior to the Spartan.
LoneMyth 2 months ago
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LoneMyth 2 months ago
Thank you for putting this up. Sometimes it can just be such a relief to see someone showing argument based on logic. I feel there are too many brainwashed fanboys on either side.
DaSticksanStonesClub 2 months ago
Where did u get that xyphos
RastaJellybean 2 months ago
A bow can loose arrows faster than a crossbow, about 3 arrows for every 2 bolts. The samurai would be able to get 2 shots and switch to his sword, but he'd be dead if he went for a third or if he was slow on the draw.
For those that don't know, you don't "fire" an arrow. Fire comes from the age of gunpowder. There is no fire involved with shooting an arrow so the term fire does not apply to bows and crossbows.
demomanchaos 2 months ago
That wind has caused me to miss on a lot of potential knowledge. :-S
Eqvil 3 months ago
pfft king leonidas will fuck their ass up
wwttff121 3 months ago
Not rooting for either side but maybe the spartans were more conditioned for using the shields that way than you are? All things considered, they probably trained for a pretty long amount of time with the shield therefore building up specific muscle groups for that purpose?
Not questioning your techniques or physical abilities, just saying.
DeepFriedPotato 3 months ago
GREEZ FROM NORTH-GERMANY - MARTIAL VIKING ARTZ 4 WOOD-PEACE
WOTANSKIND 3 months ago
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Samwd1 3 months ago
Uh the guy in the video looked buffer than you even if the shield attack is retarded. Also, the kanabo is inherently a bad mace design since it's a heavy spread out over a wide area, if the force was conterated in a smaller area, it would a much more effective weapon. Also, a strap shield design, can safely withstand that, it just requires different defensive techniques, faced with the a heavy weapon you would have to try to deflect the force, not punch out or take like with a center boss.
PJDAltamirus0425 4 months ago
Uh the guy in the video looked buffer than you even if the shield attack is retarded.
PJDAltamirus0425 4 months ago
I would really like a test of a pila against the Viking shield, in Roman accounts it often says that German and Celtic shields (which I assumed would be of the same design as the Viking shield you have) were pierced and even pinned together by a single Roman pila. I'd like to see it happen.
HaNsWiDjAjA 4 months ago in playlist More videos from ThegnThrand
Dude you don't know how much of an ass kicking a ninja would get at the hands of a spartan. I am sure ninjas weren't white trash nerds who's kids are in the house looking at their loser brother or loser dad.
skyhigh2ful 5 months ago
@skyhigh2ful The Ninja and Samurai were one and the same and if you really feel you are superior we should set up some sort of competition to see your true skill and how you have come to this conclusion based on your superior knowledge from movies,comics ,animie and the like :P
ThegnThrand 5 months ago
@ThegnThrand no they weren't, they were completely different. Ninja were farmers who rose up against the Samurai because they felt oppressed, they had to used improvised weapons and stealth, the samurai were highly trained warriors. The ninjas used thing like flower in small bags as a smoke bomb, Samurai's used things like the Katana, (to fight with) and the wakizashi used to finnish of enemys i think. theres more wepons tbh but just sayin.
itzAtrailerWarferret 4 months ago
@itzAtrailerWarferret I am a member of the Bujinkan and study Bujinkan Budo Taijutsu and have researched ninja history and samurai they Ninja came from the samurai and warrior caste period. They were not peasants you are speaking of Okinawan karate :P
ThegnThrand 4 months ago
@ThegnThrand SSSSSSSSSSUUUUUUUUUURRRRRRRRRREEEEEEEEEEEEEE san
itzAtrailerWarferret 4 months ago
@itzAtrailerWarferret the only way you could believe other wise is you got your information from 80's movies Steven K Hays in the 80's or from Deadliest Warrior guess what they were all wrong period. Meaning you have no idea what you are talking about and not ninja nor Samurai historian of any kind. I study Toga kure ryu Ninjutsu ,Bujinkan Budo Taiutsu or Bujinkan Nipo Taijutsu and welll versed in History as well :P
ThegnThrand 4 months ago 2
@ThegnThrand What ever you sa, and no, i dident get it from movies or deadliest warrior, but whatever you say, idiot.
itzAtrailerWarferret 4 months ago
@ThegnThrand I'm sorry man but despite all you say I can see very clear bias on your part towards the Samurai and ninja.
RichardAshendale 3 months ago
@ThegnThrand And I don't know where you get your research but the ninja was on the same position of social status as a samurai. They were lower.
RichardAshendale 3 months ago
@RichardAshendale This is not true .From this statement I can tell you have not done any research yourself nice try though. I am a member of the Bujinkan and have researched Ninjutsu since the early 80's. The Samurai is were the art came from it was practiced by Samurai. Being a Ninja was not an occupation by it self most Ninja Families were Samurai owned Sword Schools and trained early Samurai in Fighting arts., Ninjutsu is just the art of stealth. An Early Samurai was just a Warrior.
ThegnThrand 3 months ago
Seriously at 1:20 the guy fighting as the Spartan was ridiculous and an insult to the prowess of a Spartan, fkin let me do it and it'll look a whole lot different, ThegnThrand obviously half know's what he's doing the other guy was pathetic ..... sorry had to be said, for a Spartan you need a strong guy who know's how to use the shield, spear and short sword properly, as I said I'd fit that bill a lot better.
khasseki 5 months ago
@khasseki This is Thrand!!!
If you would like to fight me in full Spartan gear you as Samurai I believe you would find that your assumption is very poor and you have no true knowledge of what you speak of.
ThegnThrand 5 months ago
@ThegnThrand I wouldn't fight as the Samurai I would want to fight as the Spartan because that's the side in the sparring which i feel was not represented properly also I know that skill set and weapons a lot more than just using the Katana.
It would be fun and you would not find me the easy target your friend was because I know the form and tactics of a hoplite a lot more than your sparring partner did and I'm stronger judging by his frame.
khasseki 5 months ago
@khasseki You do know that the Samurai vs. Spartan match was my best friend Marqez not Eldgrimr I was fighting , and I was the Spartan. The match I want is me representing the Ninja / Samurai vs Spartan but did not have any one skilled with spartan gear other than me to do so. Marqez trained with me for years European Hand and half ,great sword and well as Japanese styles of and on so he was my best choice for Samurai At the time. I plan on doing one with me as Samurai and Ninja.
ThegnThrand 5 months ago
@khasseki We will also be doing a match with me representing Viking against Samurai as well :P
ThegnThrand 5 months ago
Not exactly a fair comparison the Ninja and the Spartans were 1,000 years apart, of course 14th century Japan was going to have better weapon technology.
It all depends on the man but in a head to head fight a Spartan with comparable metal quality armour and weapons is going to win imo, Ninja's were spy's/Assassins, Spartans would of had a lot more actual combat experience, as i stated it mainly depends on the individual, anyway there's a lot of bias in this video, I'd do mock fighting with u.
khasseki 5 months ago
@khasseki This Video is not Biased But a comparison to the best of my ability and and the out come was from my personal experience of over 25 years research and test. The point was to dispute the Findings Deadliest Warrior said was facts with no bases in Physics nor history. The Wrap up will be coming out soon and we will re explore the fights but with better weapons and ideas based on History and good testing. We were merely stating Deadliest Warriors out come was wrong as well as set up/test .
ThegnThrand 5 months ago
@ThegnThrand Ok fair enough but just to add my 2 cents, my main issue is not so much with the testing as the shield strike theory i agree with but when doing the mock sparring people miss out when discussing the Spartans is that what made them special is not weapons so to speak as their phalanx was no different to an Athenian phalanx but it was the quality of their hoplites over the rest of Greece which the Ogage training they went through insured.
khasseki 5 months ago
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khasseki 5 months ago
You've covered about 90% of everything I've been trying to say for the last year. I know people who support the Spartan, saying they had the greatest amount of skill and toughness of any warrior, and they only cite 300 and DW has a reference.
You can even show them the proper history of a warriors culture from a credible source and they'll sit back and argue from what they saw from TV. it can get very annoying.
Arigato Gozamashita
MeibukanMaster 5 months ago 2
what most of you seem to forget is that it was an honor for a spartan to die in battle. the reason i say this is because the spartan wouldn't care if he as stabbed they wouldnt hesitate to charge at you.
BusterAmmo 5 months ago
@BusterAmmo Nor was Viking , Ninja / Samurai either afraid to die but only a fool would rush to his death with out hesitation and thought that is not bravery and would just lead to more deaths on his part.
ThegnThrand 5 months ago
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What is the Spartan Hoplon made of? I'm shocked at its ineffectiveness as an offensive weapon - after being astonished how lethal it was on DW. It isn't bronze right?
ENJager 5 months ago
@ENJager I ask because the part where you talk about the shield around 36:30, there is wind so the only thing I hear from you is "oak."
ENJager 5 months ago
Hey, love the introduction and concluding music! What song is it? I can't find the information in the description.
ENJager 5 months ago
@ENJager Nvm, I just saw the song name in the end titles
ENJager 5 months ago
This is a well thought out video, and far more thorough than Deadliest Warrior Show. With that said, I am surprised the show didn't touch on how Spartans trained in stealth assassination, thievery, and spying. The other point I would like to touch upon is the Japanese may have had access to volcanic glass, which is very sharp given how its naturally fractures when hit as a perpendicular angle.
Heliospathe 5 months ago
ninjas had no armor i mean did you watch the show
ExplosiveBiscuit 5 months ago
@ExplosiveBiscuit The Ninja had armor available historically for night ops and clandestine circumstances as well as full Samurai field armor they could have used depending on the circumstances they faced. Most Ninja were Samurai and this was normal for a Samurai to practice Ninjutsu Spying and Stealth not the other way around they were the elite of the Samurai not a special class separate from the Samurai all together although some historical ninja were not Samurai most were.
ThegnThrand 5 months ago
@ThegnThrand To add at one time in history they say out of every 100 Samurai 10 would be Ninja or Shinobi and the 10 were worth more than a hundred much like our modern special forces.
ThegnThrand 5 months ago
@ExplosiveBiscuit Ninjutsu all by it self is not a warrior fighting art the Samurai arts were adapted to form the modern styles of fighting,killing and defense for use with Ninjutsu , Meaning fighting styles were very similar just adapted to spying and surprise with specialized weapon and tools for those uses.
ThegnThrand 5 months ago
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ExplosiveBiscuit 5 months ago
Anyone notice the ninja baby in the background...
UFCmaxer 5 months ago
Well, when you have muscles like a Spartan..you dont need it to cut. haoo! haoo! haoo!
assassin1911kya 6 months ago
If a Spartan went inside the jungle at night with ninjas they are sure to die... but if a ninja went out into a open well lighted field... the Spartan would win...
lilnati904 6 months ago
@lilnati904 Ninjas had bombs as well. Not just the flash and run kind but also actual ones with deadly force. At the right time, the ninja could use it and old Leonidas would be one charred, Greek lion.
Jadandlud 1 month ago
How do think doing a thrusting attack with a Japanese spear like a Naginata or Yari would fare against the Spartan shield and/or armor? I remember in the Spartan vs Samurai bit, they deliberately avoided stabbing at Spartan defense.
shinhawk 6 months ago
@Kursinphists You've got to understand that the attacks are coming from a warrior who has just as much skill and training with their weapons. Samurai and ninja would be using their weapons at maximum efficiency and would be able to deal attacks that could easily penetrate armor from warriors of their own time (ie: other samurai and ninja), so its no surprise that Thrand's test show that more advanced Japanese weaponry can break through Spartan bronze.
shinhawk 6 months ago
haha it took him ages to cut off the branch! He failed big time!
daisydeath1 6 months ago
THEY SHOULD GET BETTER SOUND!!
daisydeath1 6 months ago
and what the hell was up with the shield vs cinder block test. try not using a concrete block to relate to a human head. i would think a fully grown man you size would be able to hit harder then that anyways. as i said the tests are bias. any person with some general strength can do better then that. and lets try that overhand blow to your friends face concidering u think its so harmless. im assuming we will see a whole different matter
hiimandrewspoon 6 months ago
@hiimandrewspoon The cinder-block was to demonstrate the shields effectiveness. Since a cinder-block is far more rigid than a human head, its plain to everyone but you apparently why he used it as a test subject.
Gratch2222 6 months ago
the katana vs sword defense was off solely for the reason that the Spartans always had there shield with them. they did majority of they're blocking with the shield so the katana wouldn't have a chance to reach the sword. the blow darts wouldent have gotten anything because the armor once again and if your out of the reach of the spartans spear then he has the time to block the darts with his shield anyways
hiimandrewspoon 6 months ago
@hiimandrewspoon The Fukiya or blowgun point blank if used as metsubushi a distraction shot at the eyes from a hidden or short tubed weapon by surprise travels to fast to block with the shield .Sorry but it does you did not see the test. Even the Boshuriken were very difficult to block with a 16 lbs shield at about 10 feet or so were you would opportunely draw and throw unsuspectingly.
ThegnThrand 6 months ago
your opinion was decent on some things and you've deffinately shown me a different aspect of the ninjas skills however, your tests were very bias in that almost none of the things used to test were anything close to the human body. for one thing those spikes couldent have even reached close to human flesh because they would never penetrate through the bronze armor and you would need to get closer then the reach of the spear in order to throw one anyways.
hiimandrewspoon 6 months ago
@hiimandrewspoon The spear can be grabbed by the shaft or easily dodged plus all ranged weapons such as Fukija ,shuriken and even metsubushi can be used out side the range of the spear 7' to 9' even the Dory was normally 8'. You will probably like our wrap up will indeed show how the Spartan might have very well done better with other weapons available to him in his time not using Deadliest Warriors assumptions or limitations based on Vase paintings were they even ride dolphins in to battle :P
ThegnThrand 6 months ago
In an older video you showed that the Samurai's single slashing blade was no match for the Viking sword and shield combo. You demonstrated and verbalized that the sword and shield's ability to defend and attack simultaneously was no match for a single edged blade which could only do one at a time. In this video, you made it seem as though the katana had the edge vs. the Spartan shield and xiphos. I can't help but be confused here.
TheSecondStage 6 months ago
@TheSecondStage Different shield construction,weight and held by center boss not strapped to the arm. We tested the length Xiphos Deadliest Warrior used the Spartan did have longer Xiphos available which we will test in the Wrap up we were just disputing Deadliest Warrior test results and findings. I believe you will be surprised in the wrap up of this and we plan a Viking Vs. Samurai simulated combat as well :P
ThegnThrand 6 months ago
IMHO the samurai woudl be in disadvantage when concerning the Katana vs Spartans Xyphos and Aspis "combo".In the "Conquest" series they demonstrate asomething simillar,roman gladius and scuttum vs gaulish long sword.
Kharmazov 6 months ago
I totally want to come to your house.
MightyBojangles 6 months ago 7
I am going out to say this. Every test ThegnThrand is doing is not great at all. HIs logic is Dumb at best.
ThegnThrand is doing the shield bashing is all wrong. A small skinny man is trying to lift a fake shield which is not identical to a real Hoplon. All his test in this video is meaningless
LoneMyth 6 months ago
@LoneMyth This is Thrand !!!
The Shield used is actual weight to a Aspis or Hoplon like the Vatican Shield based on it and weighing 16lbs 24lbs such as Deadliest Warrior Said they used would have been even less favorable in results. I am not a skinny man and would have been slightly bigger and just as strong if not stronger than an average Spartan sorry but do some historical research you are basing opinion on fantasy such as movies and entertainment not reality :P
ThegnThrand 6 months ago 2
@ThegnThrand what exactly makes you think your physically as strong, if not stronger than a spartan? Spartans were athletes and dedicated most of their time to training. Though i disagree with lonemyth calling you skinny, you dont appear to be an athlete either. spartans were famous for their rigorous training regime. Strength training, gymnastics, pankration, running, running in armor were all a regular part of their training Im sorry, but i dont think you come close. you do this as a hobby,
KrimzonKnight01 6 months ago
@ThegnThrand they dedicated their lives to it. look up "oktonyktia". Spartans pushed themselves to the limit. Im not saying they were body builders, they weren't, But they would have been in incredible shape, due to their rigorous active life style and healthy diet. As a man with a family, job ( i assume), and other obligations, you dont have the time to put into training like a spartan.
KrimzonKnight01 6 months ago
@LoneMyth May I ask what is not Identical other than it not having a very thin layer of bronze it was oak and exact weight even with out bronze and was constructed to be exact to the Vatican shield. How is it being used wrong to attack with ? Normally it would not be used to attack with this cam from 300 and Deadliest Warrior. I am not skinny at all by the way nor weak. I have been a member of the SCA and Bujinkan for almost 25 years what are you qualifications other than video up loads ? :P
ThegnThrand 6 months ago
Ah! The metsubushi! I felt so bad!
superpheonixfire 7 months ago
@EvilDarkJackel ithink the teamwork of the spartans would dominate the felds but well never know
jacktheripperVII 7 months ago
@EvilDarkJackel learn to be honest whit your self
jacktheripperVII 7 months ago
@EvilDarkJackel i knew youll say that
because wer not talking about martial arts anymore and you only atak me
jacktheripperVII 7 months ago
This is a cute home made video with weapons ordered off of decor websites like true swords or cold steel. But the fact that you think you can even come close to simulating a Spartan shield bash is beyond me, especially when 24 lbs is a third of your little body and skinny arms. You act like you've lived the life of one of these historical warriors, when in reality you have become excited by the show just like any other kid picking up a lightsaber after they've seen Star Wars.
GavinStudios 7 months ago
@GavinStudios i think you know a lot on the subject but you should not use such agresif coments
jacktheripperVII 7 months ago
@GavinStudios Of course he's excited. It's his interest. Who wouldn't get excited over what he/she loves doing? But the fact that he looks for the facts, trains for the facts...you know what man? If you really think you can do better, then show him how it's done with an actual video. But I doubt you have one. The only thing big about you is your pride and armchair.
Jadandlud 1 month ago
@Jadandlud Ok, so first off i'll tell you that this training means absolutely nothing in the context of history. Deadliest warrior is more entertainment than objective, there is no way they can simulate what a warrior would have done in the past. It is fun watching ill admit, but almost everything they talk about is theoretical. Second, I do think its cool that they're having fun, but for them to get all serious about it is just plain stupid, they should be using some of those tools to fix .....
GavinStudios 1 month ago
@GavinStudios their yard up. Thirdly, yes, I do have a lot of pride, but my armchair is not that big, nor is it comfortable. Fourthly, I don't have time to play in my backyard, nor am I an expert, but I am smart enough to see 2 grown-ups bored out of their mind. Finally, do not play the judgment card, as I have more passion for what I do more than you ever will in 30 of your lifetimes. I love to play guitar, I love music, I love exercise, I love to unicycle, I even find passion in school.
GavinStudios 1 month ago
@GavinStudios A Skald/Bard and Scholar very good for you.I am a Warrior.So you are judging me by what advanced knowledge? personal experience?A movie? Possible Book or fantasy you have? We love making these videos in our spare time.It is not often I get to show any of my research and knowledge with people,Deadliest Warrior gave me an excuse to have fun calling them on their Scripted mistakes and misconception about actual Combat of the early ages.
ThegnThrand 3 weeks ago
@ThegnThrand a "warrior" thrand? really?! playing ninja and samurai in the bujinkan, does not make you a warrior. You and your buddies beating each other with sticks, does not make you a warrior. Your no more a "warrior" than anyone else here.
KrimzonKnight01 2 weeks ago
@KrimzonKnight01 SHUT UP AND WATCH THE VID THEY ARE TRYING TO TEACH US LISTEN TO IT OR GTFO!
wwttff121 1 week ago
@wwttff121 teach us what exactly? how to make a semi entertaining video that focuses completely on one persons bias and is riddled with historical inaccuracy? Iv seen his video, iv debated with him and showed him to know next to nothing about hoplites, The fact that he believes they were barefoot and at one point argued they used bronze swords shows this. It annoys me that he tries to carry himself as somehow being an expert in all forms of ancient combat when he isn't. Hes also delusional
KrimzonKnight01 1 week ago
@wwttff121 calling himself a "warrior", when all he is, is just some guy who like to play dress up and play fight with friends. So, turn your caps lock off, it only makes you look like a douche bag. If you have a problem with what i said, then tell me exactly how thrand is a "warrior"?
KrimzonKnight01 1 week ago
@KrimzonKnight01 I have knowledge of these ancient warrior.I am a member of the Bujikan and practice Bujinkan Budo Taijutsu and have for 25 or so years researched Japanese history/Comabt the Ninja and Samurai.I will be leaving for my Combat Lab in just a few minutes but had to reply.Bujinkan Budo Taijutsu is 3 arts of Ninjutsu and 6 Budo of the Samurai dating back to the 9th century.I have studied European and Scandinavian medieval history for over 25 years as well as Combat.
ThegnThrand 1 week ago
@ThegnThrand Meaning I fight in many different styles of combat and have trained and studied many different styles of combat and warriors not even listed.So what I am asking how am I not a warrior? If it takes more than 25 to be considered accomplished in a field of study then I guess no should be consider worthy to add any input on the subjects at hand LULZ
ThegnThrand 1 week ago
@ThegnThrand your not a warrior because you dont actually fight anyone thrand. You play around with friends, spar, thats it. You dont go through what real warriors go through. You study MA and history recreationally. Youve convinced yourself that somehow you can count yourself among the real warriors that fought and died on ancient battlefields, thats the real LULZ inducer. If you wanna be a real warrior, thrand, quit your job, join the military
KrimzonKnight01 1 week ago
@KrimzonKnight01 With current situation of the Government I would never do that.They attack and kill innocent people for monetary gain.Plus I am too old and have many injuries :P
ThegnThrand 1 week ago
@ThegnThrand killing innocent people for monetary gain? That would put closer to being a real viking :P
KrimzonKnight01 1 week ago
@KrimzonKnight01 You really do not know anything about Scandinavian culture at all.You are no better than Deadliest Warrior using Hollywood stereotypes.
ThegnThrand 1 week ago
@ThegnThrand viking means raider, no? then by definition, if you went around pillaging and what not, you would be a viking. When exactly did i state that all Scandinavians were vikings?
KrimzonKnight01 1 week ago
@KrimzonKnight01 You are acting as if all Scandinavians were not warrior class during the pagan era.Due to modern stereotyping all Scandinavians from the viking era are seen as vikings.Which are raiders,settlers or merchants.Some were not but all could fight and fight well by the Christian European standard.A Vikingr was normally a pirate and out cast but to go a Vik meant to go trading,exploring and yes sometimes raiding.So yes the word Viking has no historical meaning as used.
ThegnThrand 1 week ago
@ThegnThrand I knew that viking was an explorer, merchant ect.But i had understood that at one point the word came to specifically refer to raiders/pirates. I read somewhere that sagas even talk about moorish vikings, or something along those lines.
KrimzonKnight01 6 days ago
@KrimzonKnight01 You watch too many movies. Anyone who is athletic, strong, will be a good fighter. Going through the motions of joining the us military is meaningless and does not make you a "real" fighter under any circumstances.
tallswede80 1 week ago
@tallswede80 A U.S military soldier would be an expert on modern battle tactics that he has learned and had experience in.Let say if you gave him medieval weapons armor and put him against a reenactor who actually fights with these styles weapons and tactics he would loose out right where he has no experience/training.We are comparing ancient warriors and weapons how would this help in the comparison.Only historical knowledge and combat experience would based on the warrior at hand.
ThegnThrand 6 days ago
@ThegnThrand Yeah, good point. But I'm just saying that a smart, athletic person would be good at both, no problem.
tallswede80 6 days ago
@ThegnThrand your right, a soldier would probably lose. But put a reenactor or martial artist on a battle field with real weapons and his life on the line, and hed shit his pants. Im saying that the relatively safe and controlled environments of modern day reenactors and martial artists dont compare to the real conditions of a real life a death fight or a battlefield. Its like saying playing a game paintball is equivalent to a real firefight. You can apply real techniques and strategies, but it
KrimzonKnight01 6 days ago
@ThegnThrandit will never come close to the actual experience.
KrimzonKnight01 6 days ago
@tallswede80 no, i simply know people in the military. I agree with you that simply joining the army will not make you a warrior. I think the only way you can call yourself that if you actually see battle. practicing Martial arts or reenacting are not sufficient for someone to start calling themselves real warriors imho.
KrimzonKnight01 6 days ago
@KrimzonKnight01 You might be right because if you've never killed someone before it might be difficult to do for the first time. Of course, i've never killed anyone so i don't know for sure but that just proves the point. But I know that dropping a bomb is far different than killing someone with a knife. Ancient warriors fought real battles. Modern warfare is not really battle, it's just using technology to blow stuff up.
tallswede80 6 days ago
@ThegnThrand , leave your wife and sons behind, knowing you may never see them again, to go off a fight and possibly die in some distant land, lose men you come to see as brothers; endure the blood and guts of war. These are the people that are the real warriors in todays society, not the guys who go and roll around on matts at a local dojo.
KrimzonKnight01 1 week ago
@EvilDarkJackel sory but im don talkin to you
jacktheripperVII 7 months ago
@EvilDarkJackel well of course you'd drop your shield when running away, its size would make it a hinderance.I never said otherwise. i was just replying to your comment that it was impossible to run with the aspis and that you'd develop back issues.
KrimzonKnight01 7 months ago
@EvilDarkJackel sory but i cant explane that to you in english>_<
jacktheripperVII 7 months ago
@EvilDarkJackel no thats not wat im tring to say
im tring to explane it with posebilety
jacktheripperVII 7 months ago
@EvilDarkJackel i do not ned to change your belive but please do not atack mine
jacktheripperVII 7 months ago
@EvilDarkJackel its not like they are swinging the thing though. you brace your arm and use your shoulder to help support the weight, if you trained properly and know what your doing, it shouldn't affect you. spartans served till the age of 60 so they would have stayed active and in good shape.
KrimzonKnight01 7 months ago
@EvilDarkJackel dou you know the biografi of konfuzius?
i dont think luk exists and we back again to that one opening
jacktheripperVII 7 months ago
@EvilDarkJackel i agre but wat point are you triing to make?
jacktheripperVII 7 months ago
@EvilDarkJackel i know wat your tring to say but i dont know the words to explane my poit of wev
btw i think noting is random
jacktheripperVII 7 months ago
@EvilDarkJackel are we talking about the sport ore the war? in war teamwork matters and the sport is barehanded (and faught even naked)
i got it from the opening of sabatons "The art of war" and if you undersand something somebody says and using it your self does this make you unwise?
jacktheripperVII 7 months ago
@EvilDarkJackel if you know your self and the enemy you know whos stronger and your not fighting somebody stronger than you and fif they know that as well they will not fight you or you ar going to avoid a batle wit them...
sry did not find bether words i hope you undersand now.
jacktheripperVII 7 months ago
@EvilDarkJackel If you know the enemy and know yourself, you need not fear the result of a hundred battles. If you know yourself but not the enemy, for every victory gained you will also suffer a defeat. If you know neither the enemy nor yourself, you will succumb in every battle.
jacktheripperVII 7 months ago
@EvilDarkJackel you solved that problem yourself in the other answer.
jacktheripperVII 7 months ago
@EvilDarkJackel you know this its kind of idiotic to ask this question becaus the answer is always yes then if you chan think about it your not going to realize it or your unable to anwer it honestly because of your pride.
so just answer it for your self jour self again.
jacktheripperVII 7 months ago
@EvilDarkJackel ok...
do you also know about ther way of teamwork?
thats the point i think you dont undersand about the spatan.
jacktheripperVII 7 months ago
Splendid demo Thrand. I especially liked your display of the Aspis's (lack of) killing power, and how a 24ibl shield would not be fast enough to strike a killing blow.
My main problem with the samurai-spartan match up was the spear. The live test showed the spear tip bent heavily against the saumrai's chestplate, yet the spear was the most effective weapon in the sim, scoring over 300 kills.
In your opinion, who'd win a viking-spartan fight?
FrozenAura1982 7 months ago
@EvilDarkJackel the macedonian shield was strapped to the arm, but also tp the neck through the use of a strap and was around 2ft in diameter.
KrimzonKnight01 7 months ago
@EvilDarkJackel running with an aspis impossible? The hoplitodromos was a race in which the participants sprinted with the aspis as well as wearing greaves and a helmet. it was an olympic event and also was practiced at other games. the distance could vary from but could be 400M or more. It was also a military training exercise, and when so would probably been done in full gear.
KrimzonKnight01 7 months ago 2
@KrimzonKnight01 thix
jacktheripperVII 7 months ago
@EvilDarkJackel did you ever think about what people tel you or your teling them?
jacktheripperVII 7 months ago
@EvilDarkJackel you dont know a thing about pankaton right?
jacktheripperVII 7 months ago
@EvilDarkJackel lol
jacktheripperVII 7 months ago
@EvilDarkJackel sry abot 1 shinobi= 10 samuray that was ThegnThrands speach but i hope youll get the point
jacktheripperVII 7 months ago
@EvilDarkJackel didnt you say that 1 shinobi was = 10 samury they knew their good
jacktheripperVII 7 months ago
@EvilDarkJackel spartans worked as a team and had no problem to go help a buddy to fight a single oponent
and its almost imposible to get bihind their shields if they go on you 3 vs 1
jacktheripperVII 7 months ago
@EvilDarkJackel i do dislike hollywod but you have clearly writen on your chanel that you like it and whos the one talking about movie ninjas have you ever learnd martial ats from a proper master
as you say their a LARGE NUMBER OF PEOPLE exchanging expirience and knowledge... and how do you think martial arts was deweloped?
they are cheap do their job fast and clean so why not?
jacktheripperVII 7 months ago
@EvilDarkJackel but i do get your point in tis coment
jacktheripperVII 7 months ago
@EvilDarkJackel sory for being swiss and talking german most of the time...
jacktheripperVII 7 months ago
@EvilDarkJackel Send a sniper or send an army to get kills on your side its just a quesion of honor.
jacktheripperVII 7 months ago
@EvilDarkJackel tel me 1 shinobi school witch is not based of a legend
and in most "ancient" they lernd from their famelys because just like you say they didnt have the money
jacktheripperVII 7 months ago
why would you fight if your capable to assassinate?
jacktheripperVII 7 months ago
@EvilDarkJackel Would a samurai who considered harakiri just do die honorably consider to do something dishonorable like spying on somebody or even assassionate somebody?
i did not do very much research on pankration but i know their shield was also to protect their buddy next to them
and about the weight tey probably get used to it from the childhood on
jacktheripperVII 7 months ago
I think this battle is hard to calculate because no other warrior in history has been trained for war like the spartan...
lakshen47 7 months ago
@EvilDarkJackel This is not true you are talking about gearing from 1000 years difference we have a Viking vs. Samurai fight set up in the near future as well :P
ThegnThrand 7 months ago
@ThegnThrand You guys ever heard of the Moshuh Nanren?
superpheonixfire 7 months ago
hicks fighting in a backyard who werent trained properly in either of these arts, trying to run their own show with quotes from history books and hearsay evidence? wut?
elti54 7 months ago
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drahmin8 7 months ago
lots of samurais went to the batlefield in a gi because armors were to expensif
jacktheripperVII 7 months ago
@jacktheripperVII No they did not you are talking about the later dueling era's.
ThegnThrand 7 months ago
ninjas were farmers who had to get money for ther famely
jacktheripperVII 7 months ago
@jacktheripperVII Ninja were not peasant caste they were warrior caste most being samurai.
ThegnThrand 7 months ago
@ThegnThrand the samurai hated the ninjas "because they had no honor"
jacktheripperVII 7 months ago
@jacktheripperVII The Samurai which era are you talking about ?The honor you speak of was made up in the later century's in writings. The Ninja came from the Samurai Caste.Early period the word Samurai only meant a middle are high class Warrior and they did not have the honor code that is popularly portrayed now because it had not been romanticized like it has now and was created by the Daimyo / Lords to try and get total obedience from their warriors later on not early period.
ThegnThrand 7 months ago
@ThegnThrand Also out of every 100 Samurai there would normally be 10 trained in ninjutsu and the Daimyos swore 10 Ninja or shinobi were equal to 100 Samurai any day in affect. Why because the used stealth to spy,Sabotage,assassinate,infiltrate,Steal ect.
ThegnThrand 7 months ago
@ThegnThrand After this video, I had a lot more respect for the ninja. They are kickass! I also liked the little stealth demonstration in the middle. Way to pull up that bar!
superpheonixfire 7 months ago 6
@jacktheripperVII The Shinobi was just a different type of fighter like you have marines and the navy now. Ninja's were deployed for certain combat maneuvers and tactical positioning. Likely, some Lord was being pummeled by infiltration and declared all ninja to be without honor.
Gratch2222 6 months ago 5