Why not just improve campus security and STFU. Gun on campus is clearly the dumbest idea ever... Later we'll be driving to school in tanks and carrying RPGs.
A study by the University of Texas shows that "gun free zones" are the choice of criminals because they know they will be unopposed. And every event where more than 4 people were shot has occurred at a so called "gun free zone". So how is that working for you?
There are plenty of Schools in America that are buried inside crime infested areas particularly one with crimes against Women. Anti gun laws that prohibit people from concealing weapons with a licence only assume that private citizens are not competent enough to defend lives including they're own. The response time for a mass shooting is way too long for me to in-trust our government to be the only ones with the ability to stop a random killing spree.
I think that if there was a kid that would use the gun "as the way out of a fight" then if anything this kid would think more about it if he KNEW EVERYONE ELSE HAD A GUN.
Politically I'm what an American would consider an extremely far left "liberal" (I'm actually an anarchist). But of the two sides making arguments here virtually all the rational points are being made by the pro-gun people. About the only good arguments against were by the campus cop and the young life long hunter, but even they were equivocal. Unfortunately most of the rest of the anti-carry people were just stating kneejerk dogma and speaking from fear. Disappointing.
@tangent272 what the fuck does bein an extremely far left "liberal" gotta do with being an anarchist??? An Anarchist would actually be extremely far right, such as a libertarian.
Most (real) anarchists are "libertarian socialists", ie people who believe in justice, fairness and freedom. This means we're ussually catagorised as being on the left though many of us consider that whole left/right thing to be a distraction.
Some people call themselves "indevidualist" anarchists who mostly belive in their right to do whatever they have the power to do, ie' assholes.
There are also "lifestyle" anarchists, ie' posers.
You will notice that those agains't carry on campus state opinions that affect emotion(fear). Those Pro gun carry on campus state educated and logical answers to their beliefs. Taking guns away from law abiding citizens is not making a place safer. Gun free zones give the illusion of safety. Ask yourself who is more likely to ignore a gun free zone and use a firearm in a harmful manner, the law abiding citizen, or the criminal?
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why do people treat guns like nitroglycerin? of the thousands upon thousands of people these students pass in public outside of school, are they then constantly worried about someones concealed weapon accidentally discharging? a college campus is an adult environment and a public setting. those with concealed weapons permits are no different on campus than off with there firearm. its not about bringing or not bringing guns on campus, its a question of constitutionality.
imagine this hypothetical scenario.. you are locked in a room with only one door and nothing in it but a table with a gun on it.. a voice comes on and says in 5 seconds a violent criminal will come through the door to do you harm.. do you pick up the gun to defend yourself? if you answer yes, you are pro-gun..
guns are inanimate objects.. the people who legally carry are no more likely to shoot anyone than they are to hit someone with a hammer.. the fact is ccw holders are pragmatic realists and anti gunners are naive idealists... and I say this to enlighten and not to be rude, but it is a hard truth for some people to grasp..
do you wear a seatbelt when you drive your car? yes... not because you expect to be in an accident, but in case you do it can save your life.. carrying a gun is the same exact logic.. it's better to have and not need, than need and not have..
Has anyone ever noticed that any time someone speaks out against gun rights, they A: come across as the sheltered/ignorant type, B: come across as the type of person whose dominant driving force behind their actions and opinions is driven by emotion, and C: knows absolutely nothing about guns? Just an observation.
@EricsTechTalk while I couldn't agree with you more, I think it's important to educate the more naive through rational and logical explanations, and not let our frustration with their delusion allow us be influenced by our own emotions toward their intellectual immaturity and irrational thought processes.. If we become confrontational, it will only reinforce their misguided viewpoint... we must maintain the intellectual high ground, especially when dealing with those who lack logic..
Being able to carry a gun on campus would only make it easier for a campus shooting. College students get drunk and angry all the time. If you put a gun in their hand, what's next. Also, gang violence would easily spread to educational facilites, thus "gang wars" will happen. You can just see it coming. And then people will be crying and saying "Who's idea was it to legalize guns on campus?!?!".
@MapleSephiroth You really believe that the reason gang violence doesn't occur much on college campuses is that guns aren't allowed there? Holy shit, you are naive.
@EricsTechTalk Don't call me naive, and I didn't say the reason gang violence doesn't happen on campus is because guns aren't allowed there. I'm trying to say that gang violence will happen a lot more if guns are allowed on campus. Wow, you totally fuckin read my comment wrong and then called me a name, why don't you like, ummm, fuck off.
@MapleSephiroth I understand what you were saying. It's still stupid. Gang violence doesn't normally occur on college campuses because it is not an environment that harbors gang violence. What would gangsters possibly want on a college campus anyway? Also, gang members don't exactly follow rules; they do whatever the hell they want, even if it means murder. Do you really think the university's rules are stopping them NOW? It's a federal CRIME to conceal a weapon without a permit, yet they do it.
@MapleSephiroth You honestly sound like one of those people who seem to believe that making guns illegal will make the millions of guns in black market circulation and already in criminal hands magically disappear. This is America. Our criminal underground is huge, powerful, and very well connected with groups overseas. We are not a peaceful island nation like the UK or Australia, and we never will be. Our situation will always be different, and there is only so much legislation can do about it.
Lt. Retard of the Oklahoma University Police: You shouldn't be allowed to defend yourself because that could confuse the cops. You should just die and wait for the cops to come and outline you in chalk.
if students want guns on campus i say go for it, but i think the school should take that into consideration, and maybe do a psych test on said student.
you disgusting homosexuals are just like women. you are all weak and pathetic. why not go to a gym, or learn how to fight? real men use their fists to solve an issue. faggots and americans use guns. jesus please nuke the USA
up here where i live, everyones packing, my gram has a shotgun in 3 rooms of her house not to mention everyone has a rifle stand in every house here and we are fine, in crowded areas, no guns, it can get outta control, but up here in the boon docks we are all packing and we keep the peace too :D
So the logic is that some people brought guns and killed a lot of people so now everyone (over 21 with a license) should be allowed to have one? I'm from the UK so we don't have to deal with this and guns don't tend to be a big issue (knives are the weapon of choice at schools - _-). I really don't see how that could be passed as a state law when one of the largest Universities opposed it. Shouldn't they have a bigger say in it as they are the ones who will have to deal with the consequences?
Depends whos carrying the gun. what if the person got a short temper then he got into a stupid fight in the school all of a sudden he just start blasting this poor kid. not to mention the stray bullet. whos in the wrong place at the wrong time
Let's say a man walks in a bank pulls out a gun and starts yelling "get down on the ground" at the end its a mess. Now let's say a man walks into a bank starts swinging a gun and yelling "everyone on the ground" but in stead of the people getting on the ground they pull out their guns "you get down on the ground". Banks would be safer because one on what's to rob a bank were everyone in it is armed. People with guns don't make good hostages.
So since this video's post there are now 71 campuses that currently allow CHL holders to carry. No incidents, no accidents, no gun thefts. on any of these campuses.
CCW on campus is simply about self protection, not deputizing civilians.
You should watch the documentary on the way the Chinese are turning into the worlds next superpower if they are not already? GUNS? How about the newest and most powerful nuclear weapons that money(a lot) can buy? We are not only going to eat ourselves to death we are turning the worlds perception of us into the new Britain that can't seem to find it's way out of Ireland! Think about it> We're just walking around the most dangerous place on earth with bullseyes on our backs over and over a....
well, I would think this is a bad idea. IE students drunk, with guns? bad idea, students with beef grabs a gun? bad idea. Active shooter, well if someone has a gun, they could get frantic trying to get the shooter and shoot someone by mistake. As for feeling safe with a gun, that is almost false. The rule of 20 is that if someone is within 20 ft of u, they can get you before you can draw a pistol
@MrMegaWolfeman Well, It is illegal to drink while you have a gun and people with permits are very aware of that. A student with a beef. If they are willing to kill someone over that do you really think a law against guns on campus would prevent that? There is no other way to kill? As far as an active shooter. I think its better to risk someone maybe getting shot by accident vs allowing an active shooter to go unchallenged. Guns on campus does have drawbacks but overall I think it is beneficial
This is Stupid to say Carrying a Firearm on Campus is Alright what if you get into a Fist fight then someone takes out there gun then Starts firing that makes it a hell of a lot worse. Me, no its not okay because that firearm will most likely end up in wrong hands and i don't have to tell you what happens then.
There are three types of people in this world... Wolves, Sheep, and Sheep dogs... CCW permit holders are the Sheepdogs and keep the Wolves away from the scared Sheep who live in a fantasy that no guns = a safe environment... if you take guns away from law abiding citizens, then only criminals and those who would harm you have guns.. The people who take the time to train for and get a CCW permit are the brave who protect society. They are people that understand the responsibility of being armed.
@metaZen i agree. if gun safety was mandatory and gun ownership was mandatory the crime rate would skyrocket for 2 years then go down to zero after all the criminals were dead. there is nothing wrong with that. if we allowed people to defend themselves, 9/11 would have never happened.
@metaZen i feel pretty much safe here in germany without law abiding citizens carrying guns all the time and i actually live much safer than most us americans
I love the argument "oh a student would just complicate the situation or make it worse". Just how is that different if there is a shooting and the SAME license holder engages a legit target at a bank, store, theater, sidewalk, park, or a best buy parking lot at 2 am on black Friday? Is there some mystical thing about school zones I am not privy to? Because I never noticed a sudden loss in decision making ability once I step onto school grounds, anyone else?
@AquaticLD50 absolutely true... there are a lot of ignorant people commenting on this topic. I think what it really comes down to is that people don't even understand their own states concealed carry laws.
@mrpoopdaddy stupid hick. these people in the video can't even come up with a valid reason as to why people should have guns on campus. saying that "you should have a permit" isn't even a real reason. if you want to wind up in jail then get a gun but you're just gonna be another slack-jawed inbred like you and the rest of the idiots down south
There are three types of people in this world... Wolves, Sheep, and Sheep dogs... CCW permit holders are the Sheepdogs and keep the Wolves away from the scared Sheep who live in a fantasy that no guns = a safe environment... if you take guns away from law abiding citizens, then only criminals and those who would harm you have guns.. The people who take the time to train for and get a CCW permit are the brave who protect society. They are people that understand the responsibility of being armed.
if you shoot someone with a tazer while they point a gun at you, they will shoot you, not by choice. If you inject them with Direct Current (DC = battery power) it will contract their muscles and have them fire it at whatever they are pointing. So you tell me, if someone attacks you, will they come at you with a tazer or a gun? If a bank can protect money with a gun, I will protect my life and the lives of others with a gun, with no ethical qualms.
I think to get a gun on campus, you should go through a fuck ton of courses and a bunch of tedious tests. That way you can insure wannabe badasses and dumb fucks don't get them.
I'm an undergrad at USC and an operation Iraqi freedom vet. I carry a concealed weapon(No it is not an M16) which I was closely trained to use because the area around the campus is right in the middle of south LA, not a good area. I have spoken to many students around campus about carrying weapons and I have met students who carry weapons of all kinds ;However, I am against this because I know for a fact there is a maturity level needed to handle a gun that most college students dont possess.
im for guns on campus in the hands of responsible people. I don't see anything wrong with that. Until we have an epidemic of law abiding citizens going postal and shooting everyone on campus, the law should allow them to carry it where they see fit.
If guns are allowed anywhere else why not here? Problems or solutions associated with guns are elsewhere then campus? Guns of illegalities and psychopathic uses are already there so what benefit is there to block legal ones? Guns are causing societal problems in America little doubt on that, but this is talking about blockages.
what the crap, guys? why not just compromize and let them have tazers. not lethal, gets rid of a damgerous situation, and if someone tries to harm another person with one, it'll take longer to reload
@bradlock55 The problem with a tazer is that they have a limited range, limited effectiveness, and aren't particularly accurate. Attempting to stop an armed shooter with nothing more than a tazer would be a suicide charge. Even then, if the shooter lets someone close enough, and both probes find their home, they don't always work, and their ability to incapacitate someone is only temporary, at best.
Many, many, many people. Search out how many crimes have been stopped due to those who are good, law abiding citizens. Main stream media hates to report on the crimes that have been stopped by citizens.
@labcoat31 There can be no question about it. It is written into law. It will NOT be infringed ... and if it is - it will be after much shedding of blood.
All educational institutions have fire, and weather protection protocols. We send our kids to these institutions with the assumption that they will return home safely. If the right to defend yourself ends at the property line of one of these institutions then it is the responsibility of that institution to properly defend its occupants against a armed criminal.
i support gun rights and to have guns anywhere just they should not be present on knowledge centers. it would make classes and stuff unchill u know what i sayin.
also. generally people who go through the trouble to get a concealed license aren't bad people. people seem to act like getting a license is as easy ad going to the dmv and saying hey i want a license and they just hand them out . you have to pass tests, on how to handle guns and conceal them as well as all the laws reguarding them and when is a propper time to use them. and its not on a whim its a life or death situation,and you can't have a concealed license if you have a criminal background.
wow i get tired of ignorant people that are unexposed to guns being scared of and hating guns. you can always tell a person that has never handled a gun , cause 90% of the time they will tell you guns kill people. i personally have a concealed carry license and i do carry some of the time. i know i went through a class my information is on file not only at a state level but also federal. why would i want to commit a crime with a gun?
i can understand having a gun. i can understand having a concealled weapon. but on a college campus? worst case scenario some crazy asshole gets a concealed gun permit and then shoot uop everyone in the lunch room. how safe is that? cmon, i think it's a no brainer here. plus. what do you need a gun for anyway? to shoot the animals?
Perhaps you can explain to us why, with tens of thousands of college students ALREADY having CCW in states across the country your faniciful scenario just hasn't come true.
Basec upon ~your~ imagination colleges would be much smarter banning cars -- which are much more deadly than any handgun invented.
And I'm not sure why you believe you have the power to question why someone needs a gun. You make that choice for yourself... and only yourself.
You constantly hear the term gun violence' being tossed around. I have never heard anyone on TV say 'car violence.' I wonder why that is.... No I don't
Here in Texas, we have a very high number of CHL holders. Everywhere we go there is likely one or two armed civilians in every small crowd. I happen to be one of them. The statistics support the fact that licensed firearm carriers just don't commit crimes with firearms. The reason is when you get a CHL, you are taught about the laws surrounding firearms and the responsibility of carrying. You are also on file with the government and usually so is your firearm.
People who get all worked up over the prospect of on-campus carry should realize that if you're in a carry-friendly state where CHL/CWPs are common, there's already people carrying all around you - you just don't know it! I regularly carry in the mall, in restaurants, at the park and while getting groceries. There's no difference between those public places and a college campus. Tens of thousands of other Floridians do this every single day, with no apparent problems.
People who don't want guns on campus are people who have never been victims of gun violence. I have a chl (concealed handgun license) and I'm a student. I think anyone who has a chl should be permitted to carry eveywhere. Like they said, only a small percent of the student body would be carrying. Gun control doesn't keep guns out of the hands of criminals, only out of the hands of law abiding citizens.
This may have already been said but I'm not about to search through arguments and see.
Guns should be allowed on campus because if your in say the cafeteria when a shooter emerges no one is about to go rush him barehanded if your on the other side of the room.
A bullet will rush him nice, quick, and clean assuming you have good aim.
And I will not be trolling this video to argue so I bid you all good day.
'if your in say the cafeteria when a shooter emerges no one is about to go rush him barehanded if your on the other side of the room'
thank you for proving my point the 'other side of the room' is....long range not arms reach where you can disarm that person....see everyone he/she gets it
thats it now im ALL FOR banning guns, this a good example of someone that lost there mind AFTER they got there gun lic.
get rid of them all and your that much safer from fools like this that cant take the truth that despite what he/she was drilled with guns arn't good in every situation
I'm not sure why there's an argument here. I am ALL for martial arts. I have studied them for the greater part of my life now. I am ALL for gun ownership and responsible use. It's not about the gun being the end all, it's about options. I like options and it is my right to have them. Getting rid of all guns is just pie in the sky fantasy. As a martial artist I also know that it is easier to teach someone gun safety and use than to teach a MA to a confident proficiency level.
......well theres an 'argument' here cause you came back and replied after about a day or two of me not saying anything to you
i dont care anymore....simple fact of time/space, practicality, etc says at grappling range guns are useless because the hand needed to pull aim and shoot can be easily jammed as opposed to outside arm (or leg) range
if some one opens fire in a school from across the room a gun would help more but where ever u r if you get withing grappling range of a gun, its useless
And tenn accusses ~other~ people of being closed minded. :-)
all those people who saved themselves at close quarter which has been reported at clayton cramer's self defense website are just delusional... and the newspapers and broadcast journalists who reported the thousands of stories are just humoring them.
Tenn would have you believe they never, ever happened. But you can read them for yourself.
say what ever you want, i just googled (copy & paste) your 'clayton cramer' and all i found was 1 some guys blog 2 an ext of that blog about how he got laid off from HP 3a wikipeida entry on him 4 some scandal 5 6 7 i dont know how far im supposed to go in the search results before i find these videos you spoke of that prove me (in addition to time/space and physics) wrong but i gave up after 9 if he was so great i wouldnt need to go to page 2 i dont care anymore so say what you want
shows you can't really follow directions well, either. :-)
Struggle much with the third grade?
I just googled clayton cramer self defense the same was I suggested a number of times to you and, behold, his self defense blog came up NUMBER ONE.
But you knew that already, eh. You were just out there looking for an excuse that you could make up for not reading any real life material that destroys your world view. You can't stand the truth, so you make up fantasy .
react fast enough. It contradicts itself. no one is safe and even if you know or dont know who have guns or not, there is no way to determine who the bad guys are. period. people change and CAN go from bad to good and vice versa
guns should be allowed on campus. but someone doesnt neccesarily have to be close to u to attack you. If someone knew u have a gun, they would be less likely to fuck with you. But evryone assumes that criminals are fucking retards. Some are actually smart, and might know how to get that gun away from you. thats open carry. concealed carry will make people more likely to fuck with you. but if someone decides to try some shit u have the element of surprise on your side but might not be able to
Search for and watch P&T Bullshit Gun Control Part 1, 2 and 3 here on YouTube. Try to watch it while putting your liberal views behind you. Think outside the box for a change. Maybe after that, you'll recognize some people's needs and wants for guns. They're not for everyone but don't try to take my rights away because you don't want to protect yourself.
search for and watch any martial arts demo of how to disarm an opponent with a weapon (gun knife etc) you know the same shit that ARMED forces learn and try to put your trigger happy '2nd amendment' BS behind you. maybe after that you'd realize how useless a gun is if your not going to use it from far away
oh and if you look at the world outside your gun you'd realize your rights are already being taken away and your '2nd amendment' is the least of your troubles
As I said, criminal don't use martial arts. None issue and poor debate tactics. Guns are not useless. They serve a purpose and even if they do nothing more than make someone 'feel' more safe, then that's enough for me. Trigger happy 2nd A BS is what gave you the right to say exactly that. Remember that.
I do realize our rights are slowly being taken away... and mostly by the Liberal gun-haters. So where does it end? I'll tell you, with my gun. They can pry it from my cold, dead hands. I'm done.
"demo of how to disarm an opponent with a weapon "
Ohhh... look, Mom, the Tide detergent commercial shows that Tide works best at getting dirty clothes clean. But the Oxydal commercial showed that ~they~ were the best at doing that. I wonder how that can be?
Yes it's the best... and it completely destroyed your point, eh. People who put out videos touting their product usually show their product being superior. And ~you~ thought it was just coincidence ever time it happened like that. :-)
You're absolutly correct. That's why the NUMBER ONE RULE when there is a college shooting is DON'T CALL THE POLICE. They'll just want to throw more weapons into a situation and expect a solution.
So ~now~ you're changing your mind about "more guns = more violence" eh. Don't even have the courage of your own convictions to try to back up what you say.
And please tell us just how you know what 'training" a civilian has had in the use of firearms. Please list every citizen who carries here, and his/her background.
PS when i finally did find your cramer ON THE SECOND PAGE all i was some blog that didnt tell of any of those people being within close range where you can jam the hand firing the gun
anyone an stop someone with a gun from across a kitchen, lawn, room or otherwise....keep trying though and ill keep not giving a fuck anymore
So you read the thousand plus stories and couldn't find a ~single~ one where the attacker was in contact distance?
Not one?
That's the problem when you try to back up your posts with fantasy, tenn... others can simply go there and see that you are making it up from thin air... and are posting utter nonsense.
I don't have to tell them that... they see plainly for themselves the empty value of your posts. Curse Al Gore all you want but the 'net screws you every time you try a post.
thats the problem, you don't know how much training, if any, training a civie has had, therefore you must assume they have none and are complete retards. Murphy's law comes to mind here
Also officers of the law where distinct uniforms. In a hostile situation a normal civilian carrying maybe confused as to who the actual threats are, and shoot another civilian.
Conversely, police rushing into a situation, won't know who threats are if everyone is carrying.
1) if you want to project your own level of incompetence on to other people go ahead.
2) So if Sam the student is in a classroom when Ron the psycho comes in shooting people, Sam is going to be so confused as to who the bad guy is that he shoots Fred, who's in the corner minding his own business?
3) Pity the poor undercover cop who gets shot then, by his incompetent department.
It's hard to conceive of the fact that so many are actually brainwashed by he libs to believe that its silly to try to protect themselves. Unfortunately I live in the Peoples Republic of NY.
Thats your opinion, but like many other great countries, we have more people trying to get than trying to leave. We must be doing something right.
I would bet if you were to cross reference gun ownership as a percentage of population and crime rates, you would find the more guns in private hands, the fewer crimes. Just in Europe, I can think of one good example... Switzerland. I don't think the Swiss ever had a "wild west" but they have a high percentage of gun ownership.
native ,i'm on your side on this. i'm a ccdw license holder myself. all i'm saying that it seems alot of the students they interviewed were scared of other irresponsible students being able to carry. now, i went to college and believe me i knew alot of 21 year olds that i wouldnt trust with a squirt gun. so, i see both sides of the story.
"i knew alot of 21 year olds that i wouldnt trust with a squirt gun"
Odd, then, that you trust them with a 3,000 lb mass of metal that is capable of dealing out much more damage than a bullet the the size of a couple grains of rice.
I can see your point, but you can't assume guilt before doing anything wrong. Do we to penalize the population of campus dwellers just because there might be a few that are still immature at the age of 21 and of those, might want to get a CHL? If that's the case, then where will the 'guilty until proven innocent' policy end? Are we then to assume that all drivers who drink are drunk drivers? How about people who carry a knife? Are they all killers? That's not what the framers had in mind.
my state (washington) is on the list at the end because of recent assaults and sexual assaults on the University of Washington's greek row. many of the young women are afraid of going home at night? should we have to live in fear? possesing the weapon gives you a sense of security, and having the knowledge on how to properly fire your weapon furthers that sense. so go out there girls and get yourself a cute little .380!
ha ha ha that's funny (a SENSE of security not real security but a SENSE, which will be gone once you get raped....again), ask any martial artist if you don't believe me a gun is useless at close range and you cant use it at long range since you have to be close to rape, hit mug etc some one
you cant pull a gun and shoot some one from 200 ft away and say well he tried or was going to try to rape me cause your not psychic and close range is too late
I knew a girl who had a cute little .45acp. Its whatever they're comfortable with and practice with! Shot placement is the most important part of shooting.
Texas is also considering concealed carry on campus. Texas is considering expanding gun rights to OPEN carry, not just concealed carry. Currently there are many states (not sure exactly how many) that allow open carry of firearms by law-abiding, SANE, citizens. Just an observation here but those that are against concealed carry on campus doesn't seem to me that they've ever been the victim of a violent crime. If they were, they'd know it sucks to be defenseless.
ha ha ha that's funny (a SENSE of security not real security but a SENSE, which will be gone once you get raped....again), ask any GOOD martial artist if you don't believe me a gun is useless at close range and you cant use it at long range since you have to be close to rape, hit mug etc some one
you cant pull a gun and shoot some one from 200 ft away and say well he tried or was going to try to rape me cause your not psychic
fuck it here comes a video 'the most useless self defense weapon'
damn straight....them ninja stars aint shit you wannna fuck with....
21 ft isnt close range, arms length is close range if you dont shoot me before we end up in close range you may as well shoot yourself cause that gun is as good as mine
You're also missing the dynamic for the most part, I would retain the element of surprise. Also at that close of a range, there is a technique where you hold the pistol close to your body and point shoot. Police have to qualify with such a stance.
If you're within arms reach before I've determined you're a threat, then thats a different problem... Sometimes despite all preparations, you're number is up. I'd just rather not depend on others
oh sorry i didn't realize i had to be chuck norris, bruce lee, royce gracie, tony jaa or anyone else to use martial arts....Oo *shakes head*
'hold the pistol close to your body and point shoot'
HA HA by the time you reach back for your gun, pull the gun from where ever you have it, cock, point and shoot you'd be dead at close range again go ask any good martial artist.
guns are only good at long range but what ever man keep thinking your safe with that gun....
2 a simple flick of the wrist can move you out of line of fire
3 a joint lock only takes .0128 sec to apply
you know nothing of MA thank you for making your counter null and void
so tell me some one comes up to by surprise (not long distance) usually from behind, takes you down and you are gonna be able to reach for your gun, find the target (at night sometimes) point and shoot....HA HA i guess your superman.... *sad*
Superman - thats only a game in the bedroom for my girlfriend.
Assuming your joint lock requires you to move your hand 1 foot, your claiming to move your hands at 50 miles per hour without a windup? You should be a pitcher for the Yankees.
So you randomly go up to people and put them on the ground as you mug them? riiiiight... You can invent a situation which will counter any given defense - Hollywood does it all the time.
If MA is so effective, why does law enforcement carry guns?
see that is why guns should be banned completely cause idiots like you are too much of an imbecile are the ones getting them
'If MA is so effective, why does law enforcement carry guns?'
FOR LONG RANGE! as ive been saying before
and any person even if there the most unfit shape should be able to move there hand at 50 mph any martial artist can do it, you should be able to do it too
PS if MA isnt as useful as guns why do cops and military learn it t restrain ppl at CLOSE RANGE
Answer to your P.S.: Most times the use of lethal force is unwarranted, especially when it comes to LEO and military ops. Most self-defense situations arise within 7 yards. MA will do absolutely no good at that range. Even if someone is charging at you with a bat or chain you stand little chance unless you're good at MA but a gun can dispatch that threat quickly and easily. I'm not saying deadly force, I'm saying stopping the threat. Handguns are good for short to medium range, not long range.
There we go with the name calling Mr. Holier Than Thou, now we get to the crux of the issue, you're superior to everyone else, now I get it...
I'll wager you never witnessed an arrest in real life. It involves a lot of directions being ordered which essentially place the arrestee in a position where they submit to being cuffed... else be tazered. It's not all grapples and slams against the car/floor/wall.
You can keep your 50mph fist, I'll keep my 820mph lead and we'll both be happy.
hey if you think im Superior to you fine i wont complain
but guess what cops pull there gun FROM FAR AWAY and move in not at arms reach, there are always more than one of them pointing a gun cause if it was just one the moment they get close enough its over
and lastly your not a cop so yuou cant pull your gun out in public from far away because you THINK someone might attack you
You're the one throwing out the insulting names...
And no, I'm not a cop, but several of my shooting buddies are... I'm going off what they tell me and I'd wager what they say is a bit more accurate than some random guy off the net. Most of these guys are not people I'd want to tangle with in a brawl and some of them are excellent shots. I know some of thier training drills.
You keep mentioning FAR FAR AWAY. But you've never quatified this distance.
'You keep mentioning FAR FAR AWAY. But you've never quatified this distance'
you dont read you just want to find the quickest thing to com back at me for i say 'long range' not 'far far away' and i 'quantify distance' as arms reach (close range) beyond arms reach (despite legs reach, long range)
tell me do any of your 'buddies' ever learn joint manipulation and take downs, if so why if guns are enough (plus there is more than 1 of them at a time)
So what you consider close is within what... 2.5 to 4 feet? A deadly threat at 75 feet would not make it to 4 without resistance
Long range with a pistol is typically considered 50-75 feet. Thats why I was asking for quantified NOT SUBJECTIVE distances. Our ideas of "long range" are different.
Of course they know pressure points etc, and they know how to use them. Becuase they're not stupid, they prefer not to go hand-to-hand if it can be avoided, hence Mr. Tazer. Too many risks.
And now we're back on topic... Most campus attacks, the attacker made known his intentions to everybody in the immediate vicinity. If at least one of th
Why not just improve campus security and STFU. Gun on campus is clearly the dumbest idea ever... Later we'll be driving to school in tanks and carrying RPGs.
TheMSmedia 2 weeks ago
A study by the University of Texas shows that "gun free zones" are the choice of criminals because they know they will be unopposed. And every event where more than 4 people were shot has occurred at a so called "gun free zone". So how is that working for you?
AKSOwner 1 month ago
There are plenty of Schools in America that are buried inside crime infested areas particularly one with crimes against Women. Anti gun laws that prohibit people from concealing weapons with a licence only assume that private citizens are not competent enough to defend lives including they're own. The response time for a mass shooting is way too long for me to in-trust our government to be the only ones with the ability to stop a random killing spree.
MTVVH1sucks 1 month ago
I think that if there was a kid that would use the gun "as the way out of a fight" then if anything this kid would think more about it if he KNEW EVERYONE ELSE HAD A GUN.
hippielettuce1988 1 month ago
Politically I'm what an American would consider an extremely far left "liberal" (I'm actually an anarchist). But of the two sides making arguments here virtually all the rational points are being made by the pro-gun people. About the only good arguments against were by the campus cop and the young life long hunter, but even they were equivocal. Unfortunately most of the rest of the anti-carry people were just stating kneejerk dogma and speaking from fear. Disappointing.
tangent272 2 months ago
@tangent272 what the fuck does bein an extremely far left "liberal" gotta do with being an anarchist??? An Anarchist would actually be extremely far right, such as a libertarian.
Just sayin...
HadDunStoldDisThang 2 months ago
@HadDunStoldDisThang
Most (real) anarchists are "libertarian socialists", ie people who believe in justice, fairness and freedom. This means we're ussually catagorised as being on the left though many of us consider that whole left/right thing to be a distraction.
Some people call themselves "indevidualist" anarchists who mostly belive in their right to do whatever they have the power to do, ie' assholes.
There are also "lifestyle" anarchists, ie' posers.
That's the main themes.
tangent272 2 months ago
this idea is 100% nuts!
begs100 2 months ago
You will notice that those agains't carry on campus state opinions that affect emotion(fear). Those Pro gun carry on campus state educated and logical answers to their beliefs. Taking guns away from law abiding citizens is not making a place safer. Gun free zones give the illusion of safety. Ask yourself who is more likely to ignore a gun free zone and use a firearm in a harmful manner, the law abiding citizen, or the criminal?
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sk8nreggae 3 months ago
why do people treat guns like nitroglycerin? of the thousands upon thousands of people these students pass in public outside of school, are they then constantly worried about someones concealed weapon accidentally discharging? a college campus is an adult environment and a public setting. those with concealed weapons permits are no different on campus than off with there firearm. its not about bringing or not bringing guns on campus, its a question of constitutionality.
grantsdaman01 4 months ago
imagine this hypothetical scenario.. you are locked in a room with only one door and nothing in it but a table with a gun on it.. a voice comes on and says in 5 seconds a violent criminal will come through the door to do you harm.. do you pick up the gun to defend yourself? if you answer yes, you are pro-gun..
metaZen 5 months ago
guns are inanimate objects.. the people who legally carry are no more likely to shoot anyone than they are to hit someone with a hammer.. the fact is ccw holders are pragmatic realists and anti gunners are naive idealists... and I say this to enlighten and not to be rude, but it is a hard truth for some people to grasp..
metaZen 5 months ago
do you wear a seatbelt when you drive your car? yes... not because you expect to be in an accident, but in case you do it can save your life.. carrying a gun is the same exact logic.. it's better to have and not need, than need and not have..
metaZen 5 months ago
Has anyone ever noticed that any time someone speaks out against gun rights, they A: come across as the sheltered/ignorant type, B: come across as the type of person whose dominant driving force behind their actions and opinions is driven by emotion, and C: knows absolutely nothing about guns? Just an observation.
EricsTechTalk 5 months ago
@EricsTechTalk while I couldn't agree with you more, I think it's important to educate the more naive through rational and logical explanations, and not let our frustration with their delusion allow us be influenced by our own emotions toward their intellectual immaturity and irrational thought processes.. If we become confrontational, it will only reinforce their misguided viewpoint... we must maintain the intellectual high ground, especially when dealing with those who lack logic..
metaZen 5 months ago
"an armed society is a polite society" Robert A. Heinlein
swaks808 6 months ago
Being able to carry a gun on campus would only make it easier for a campus shooting. College students get drunk and angry all the time. If you put a gun in their hand, what's next. Also, gang violence would easily spread to educational facilites, thus "gang wars" will happen. You can just see it coming. And then people will be crying and saying "Who's idea was it to legalize guns on campus?!?!".
MapleSephiroth 6 months ago
@MapleSephiroth You really believe that the reason gang violence doesn't occur much on college campuses is that guns aren't allowed there? Holy shit, you are naive.
EricsTechTalk 5 months ago
@EricsTechTalk Don't call me naive, and I didn't say the reason gang violence doesn't happen on campus is because guns aren't allowed there. I'm trying to say that gang violence will happen a lot more if guns are allowed on campus. Wow, you totally fuckin read my comment wrong and then called me a name, why don't you like, ummm, fuck off.
MapleSephiroth 5 months ago
@MapleSephiroth I understand what you were saying. It's still stupid. Gang violence doesn't normally occur on college campuses because it is not an environment that harbors gang violence. What would gangsters possibly want on a college campus anyway? Also, gang members don't exactly follow rules; they do whatever the hell they want, even if it means murder. Do you really think the university's rules are stopping them NOW? It's a federal CRIME to conceal a weapon without a permit, yet they do it.
EricsTechTalk 5 months ago
@MapleSephiroth You honestly sound like one of those people who seem to believe that making guns illegal will make the millions of guns in black market circulation and already in criminal hands magically disappear. This is America. Our criminal underground is huge, powerful, and very well connected with groups overseas. We are not a peaceful island nation like the UK or Australia, and we never will be. Our situation will always be different, and there is only so much legislation can do about it.
EricsTechTalk 5 months ago
@MapleSephiroth And yes, you are VERY naive on this subject.
EricsTechTalk 5 months ago
"I'd be worried about it going off" just like you need to refill your headlight fluid soon, amirite?
SaintEntreri 6 months ago
the dude from U.C. Santa Barbara is a fucking idiots. anyone who carry a gun is an idiot. guns shouldnt be allowed anywhere.
causeandeffect06 6 months ago
no one can blame Islam for this.
cqusim 7 months ago
Lt. Retard of the Oklahoma University Police: You shouldn't be allowed to defend yourself because that could confuse the cops. You should just die and wait for the cops to come and outline you in chalk.
ArmednSafe 7 months ago
if students want guns on campus i say go for it, but i think the school should take that into consideration, and maybe do a psych test on said student.
llTURTLEll 7 months ago
you disgusting homosexuals are just like women. you are all weak and pathetic. why not go to a gym, or learn how to fight? real men use their fists to solve an issue. faggots and americans use guns. jesus please nuke the USA
johnmuie 7 months ago
up here where i live, everyones packing, my gram has a shotgun in 3 rooms of her house not to mention everyone has a rifle stand in every house here and we are fine, in crowded areas, no guns, it can get outta control, but up here in the boon docks we are all packing and we keep the peace too :D
ME3RZ11 7 months ago
this is all fun and well in theory, but you have to remember that americans are fuckin idiots. you cant give an idiot a gun
amicusnemini 7 months ago
I can smell another Columbine high
mitsubishidiamante 7 months ago
I DONT EVEN FEEL SAFE WHEN A COP HAS A GUN!
ME3RZ11 7 months ago
@ME3RZ11 if youre an african american or Spanish yea I totally understand
mitsubishidiamante 7 months ago
@mitsubishidiamante u racist piece of shit!!!!!
ME3RZ11 7 months ago
@ME3RZ11 lolz!
mitsubishidiamante 7 months ago
The more people that carry a gun, the faster a psycho on a killing spree can be put down.
lurconis666 7 months ago
automatic pistol......automatic weapons have been banned since like the 80s wtf
LIONCCCP 7 months ago
sooooo dude just walking around with a gun strapped to his back. Paranoid much??
dillyjanjan 8 months ago
So the logic is that some people brought guns and killed a lot of people so now everyone (over 21 with a license) should be allowed to have one? I'm from the UK so we don't have to deal with this and guns don't tend to be a big issue (knives are the weapon of choice at schools - _-). I really don't see how that could be passed as a state law when one of the largest Universities opposed it. Shouldn't they have a bigger say in it as they are the ones who will have to deal with the consequences?
kj7129 8 months ago
I lol at all the people who say you shouldn't be able to bring a gun on a college campus because it has never been a issue! 6:41
skylinefootball 8 months ago
Reppin the 801 motherfucker! Come to the U of U and I'll put a cap in your ass!
Jk nobody at the U carrys a gun except for that Taylor guy.
skylinefootball 8 months ago
Only in America...
Chocolatmenthe 8 months ago
", why on earth would they allow students to take firearms inside a university campus, seriously..?
falutak 8 months ago
i guess most people don't realize that you need a gun license to own a gun. and having a license includes taking psychological tests
ArgentinianTraceur 8 months ago
@ArgentinianTraceur Those psychological tests were so effective at preventing Seung-Hui Cho from aquiring two handguns.
Bluecdtvhp 8 months ago
Depends whos carrying the gun. what if the person got a short temper then he got into a stupid fight in the school all of a sudden he just start blasting this poor kid. not to mention the stray bullet. whos in the wrong place at the wrong time
mitsubishidiamante 10 months ago
Let's say a man walks in a bank pulls out a gun and starts yelling "get down on the ground" at the end its a mess. Now let's say a man walks into a bank starts swinging a gun and yelling "everyone on the ground" but in stead of the people getting on the ground they pull out their guns "you get down on the ground". Banks would be safer because one on what's to rob a bank were everyone in it is armed. People with guns don't make good hostages.
dmitriy1414 10 months ago
@dmitriy1414 U stupid fuck. If that´s the case then USA would be the safest country in the world...
ChillmedDill 10 months ago
So since this video's post there are now 71 campuses that currently allow CHL holders to carry. No incidents, no accidents, no gun thefts. on any of these campuses.
CCW on campus is simply about self protection, not deputizing civilians.
grj512 11 months ago
You should watch the documentary on the way the Chinese are turning into the worlds next superpower if they are not already? GUNS? How about the newest and most powerful nuclear weapons that money(a lot) can buy? We are not only going to eat ourselves to death we are turning the worlds perception of us into the new Britain that can't seem to find it's way out of Ireland! Think about it> We're just walking around the most dangerous place on earth with bullseyes on our backs over and over a....
MrReymoclif714 1 year ago
well, I would think this is a bad idea. IE students drunk, with guns? bad idea, students with beef grabs a gun? bad idea. Active shooter, well if someone has a gun, they could get frantic trying to get the shooter and shoot someone by mistake. As for feeling safe with a gun, that is almost false. The rule of 20 is that if someone is within 20 ft of u, they can get you before you can draw a pistol
MrMegaWolfeman 1 year ago
@MrMegaWolfeman Well, It is illegal to drink while you have a gun and people with permits are very aware of that. A student with a beef. If they are willing to kill someone over that do you really think a law against guns on campus would prevent that? There is no other way to kill? As far as an active shooter. I think its better to risk someone maybe getting shot by accident vs allowing an active shooter to go unchallenged. Guns on campus does have drawbacks but overall I think it is beneficial
shananagans5 9 months ago
This is Stupid to say Carrying a Firearm on Campus is Alright what if you get into a Fist fight then someone takes out there gun then Starts firing that makes it a hell of a lot worse. Me, no its not okay because that firearm will most likely end up in wrong hands and i don't have to tell you what happens then.
DJAstonman 1 year ago
Let's add a maturity/intelligence test into the concealed weapons application. After that, no college students will be able carry one anyway.
adelie1 1 year ago
There are three types of people in this world... Wolves, Sheep, and Sheep dogs... CCW permit holders are the Sheepdogs and keep the Wolves away from the scared Sheep who live in a fantasy that no guns = a safe environment... if you take guns away from law abiding citizens, then only criminals and those who would harm you have guns.. The people who take the time to train for and get a CCW permit are the brave who protect society. They are people that understand the responsibility of being armed.
metaZen 1 year ago 12
@metaZen I agree 100%
Jnest55 1 year ago
@metaZen i agree. if gun safety was mandatory and gun ownership was mandatory the crime rate would skyrocket for 2 years then go down to zero after all the criminals were dead. there is nothing wrong with that. if we allowed people to defend themselves, 9/11 would have never happened.
cyberpsygen7 2 months ago
@metaZen i feel pretty much safe here in germany without law abiding citizens carrying guns all the time and i actually live much safer than most us americans
Heretic123456 2 months ago
@metaZen and categorizing people in sheeps, wolves and sheepwolves is just ridiculous
Heretic123456 2 months ago
@metaZen
I'm pro 2nd amendment, each individual has the right to arm and protect themselves...
but....
Wolves, Sheep and Sheep Dogs???
YOU are living a fantasy.
Bro I agree you have the right to protect yourself but pleeeease...
You are no Super Cop, Protector of Evil, Sheep Dog, ect... ect.
You are some dude with a CCW permit, THAT'S IT!
Protect yourself, but quit fantasizing with a gun in your hand.
jnjoblon 1 month ago
I love the argument "oh a student would just complicate the situation or make it worse". Just how is that different if there is a shooting and the SAME license holder engages a legit target at a bank, store, theater, sidewalk, park, or a best buy parking lot at 2 am on black Friday? Is there some mystical thing about school zones I am not privy to? Because I never noticed a sudden loss in decision making ability once I step onto school grounds, anyone else?
AquaticLD50 1 year ago
@AquaticLD50 absolutely true... there are a lot of ignorant people commenting on this topic. I think what it really comes down to is that people don't even understand their own states concealed carry laws.
stang4lyfe07 1 year ago
i would allow to carry pumpguns assault rifles and sub machine guns for carrying everywhere xD ! Would be awesome ! But only with permit !
chabi3000 1 year ago
@mrpoopdaddy stupid hick. these people in the video can't even come up with a valid reason as to why people should have guns on campus. saying that "you should have a permit" isn't even a real reason. if you want to wind up in jail then get a gun but you're just gonna be another slack-jawed inbred like you and the rest of the idiots down south
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There are three types of people in this world... Wolves, Sheep, and Sheep dogs... CCW permit holders are the Sheepdogs and keep the Wolves away from the scared Sheep who live in a fantasy that no guns = a safe environment... if you take guns away from law abiding citizens, then only criminals and those who would harm you have guns.. The people who take the time to train for and get a CCW permit are the brave who protect society. They are people that understand the responsibility of being armed.
metaZen 1 year ago
@mrpoopdaddy learn to speak english. guns should be used against you
VelaToNorma7 1 year ago
fuck it make grenades legal while ur at it -.-
foxyfoxcold863 1 year ago
"Super Soaker Water Guns" FTW!
bloodzirish 1 year ago
I think its a really stupid idea. nothing more to say. its just stupid.
00Avenger17 1 year ago 8
@00Avenger17 well you're just stupid.
r2d23678 1 year ago
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darthspeaks 1 year ago
On campus?
I agree, the student would just complicate the situation or make it worse if somebody starts something.
HomoCyborgZombie 1 year ago
I have mix feeling with gang vilonce and fights,but why not use tazers,tazer guns,and pepper spray.does not kill items
813BigMac 1 year ago
@813BigMac
if you shoot someone with a tazer while they point a gun at you, they will shoot you, not by choice. If you inject them with Direct Current (DC = battery power) it will contract their muscles and have them fire it at whatever they are pointing. So you tell me, if someone attacks you, will they come at you with a tazer or a gun? If a bank can protect money with a gun, I will protect my life and the lives of others with a gun, with no ethical qualms.
burnzorz 1 year ago
I think to get a gun on campus, you should go through a fuck ton of courses and a bunch of tedious tests. That way you can insure wannabe badasses and dumb fucks don't get them.
sk8tertater 1 year ago
maybe we should all stand in a huuuge row, everyone with a gun of course, and then shoot each other in the head, just to make sure...
blackfootnavajo 1 year ago
Most people that hase a permit are good people who practise safe gun handeling, but then there are those few bad apples.
SCAREDBANANA 1 year ago
I'm an undergrad at USC and an operation Iraqi freedom vet. I carry a concealed weapon(No it is not an M16) which I was closely trained to use because the area around the campus is right in the middle of south LA, not a good area. I have spoken to many students around campus about carrying weapons and I have met students who carry weapons of all kinds ;However, I am against this because I know for a fact there is a maturity level needed to handle a gun that most college students dont possess.
MattyTheMole 1 year ago
im for guns on campus in the hands of responsible people. I don't see anything wrong with that. Until we have an epidemic of law abiding citizens going postal and shooting everyone on campus, the law should allow them to carry it where they see fit.
44warjunkie 1 year ago
If guns are allowed anywhere else why not here? Problems or solutions associated with guns are elsewhere then campus? Guns of illegalities and psychopathic uses are already there so what benefit is there to block legal ones? Guns are causing societal problems in America little doubt on that, but this is talking about blockages.
actsai1 1 year ago
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drcharlyws 2 years ago
Utah College campuses have allowed carry permits for many years, still no shootings here.
SeeMeEat 2 years ago 2
obviously that girl has never shot a gun.
theGK11 2 years ago
what the crap, guys? why not just compromize and let them have tazers. not lethal, gets rid of a damgerous situation, and if someone tries to harm another person with one, it'll take longer to reload
bradlock55 2 years ago
@bradlock55 The problem with a tazer is that they have a limited range, limited effectiveness, and aren't particularly accurate. Attempting to stop an armed shooter with nothing more than a tazer would be a suicide charge. Even then, if the shooter lets someone close enough, and both probes find their home, they don't always work, and their ability to incapacitate someone is only temporary, at best.
AreThereNoMoreNames 1 year ago
3:28 i do not respect anyone who uses fake words... "stupidest"? really? what an idiot
lzbobo128 2 years ago
Really, how many people carrying a gun have actually stopped the attacker.
jawamaster 2 years ago
Many, many, many people. Search out how many crimes have been stopped due to those who are good, law abiding citizens. Main stream media hates to report on the crimes that have been stopped by citizens.
SeeMeEat 2 years ago 2
Yeah but I meant how many people "carrying a gun"
jawamaster 2 years ago
Many, Many, Many people. Guys and girls.
SeeMeEat 2 years ago
A well regulated Militia being necessary to the security of a free
State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms shall not be
infringed.
labcoat31 2 years ago 23
@labcoat31 There can be no question about it. It is written into law. It will NOT be infringed ... and if it is - it will be after much shedding of blood.
darthspeaks 1 year ago
@labcoat31 keep using the Constitution to justify your ignorance and stupidity
causeandeffect06 6 months ago
fresh prince of bel-air taught me everything I need to know about gun ownership
McOath 3 years ago
All educational institutions have fire, and weather protection protocols. We send our kids to these institutions with the assumption that they will return home safely. If the right to defend yourself ends at the property line of one of these institutions then it is the responsibility of that institution to properly defend its occupants against a armed criminal.
NineMMAR15 3 years ago
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NineMMAR15 3 years ago
i support gun rights and to have guns anywhere just they should not be present on knowledge centers. it would make classes and stuff unchill u know what i sayin.
albobay1 3 years ago
also. generally people who go through the trouble to get a concealed license aren't bad people. people seem to act like getting a license is as easy ad going to the dmv and saying hey i want a license and they just hand them out . you have to pass tests, on how to handle guns and conceal them as well as all the laws reguarding them and when is a propper time to use them. and its not on a whim its a life or death situation,and you can't have a concealed license if you have a criminal background.
sinformant 3 years ago
wow i get tired of ignorant people that are unexposed to guns being scared of and hating guns. you can always tell a person that has never handled a gun , cause 90% of the time they will tell you guns kill people. i personally have a concealed carry license and i do carry some of the time. i know i went through a class my information is on file not only at a state level but also federal. why would i want to commit a crime with a gun?
sinformant 3 years ago
i can understand having a gun. i can understand having a concealled weapon. but on a college campus? worst case scenario some crazy asshole gets a concealed gun permit and then shoot uop everyone in the lunch room. how safe is that? cmon, i think it's a no brainer here. plus. what do you need a gun for anyway? to shoot the animals?
Abatior13 3 years ago
Perhaps you can explain to us why, with tens of thousands of college students ALREADY having CCW in states across the country your faniciful scenario just hasn't come true.
Basec upon ~your~ imagination colleges would be much smarter banning cars -- which are much more deadly than any handgun invented.
And I'm not sure why you believe you have the power to question why someone needs a gun. You make that choice for yourself... and only yourself.
kelteckid 3 years ago
You constantly hear the term gun violence' being tossed around. I have never heard anyone on TV say 'car violence.' I wonder why that is.... No I don't
Deke101 3 years ago
Here in Texas, we have a very high number of CHL holders. Everywhere we go there is likely one or two armed civilians in every small crowd. I happen to be one of them. The statistics support the fact that licensed firearm carriers just don't commit crimes with firearms. The reason is when you get a CHL, you are taught about the laws surrounding firearms and the responsibility of carrying. You are also on file with the government and usually so is your firearm.
Deke101 3 years ago
I agree to Disagree Come to Canada Guns are always Illegal!
sevenandeight7788 3 years ago
stupid noob in utah walking around with a gun in the ass of his jeans
Velvetfart 3 years ago
Oh yeah you sound tough 'noob' hah loser
kamikazeevil 3 years ago
People who get all worked up over the prospect of on-campus carry should realize that if you're in a carry-friendly state where CHL/CWPs are common, there's already people carrying all around you - you just don't know it! I regularly carry in the mall, in restaurants, at the park and while getting groceries. There's no difference between those public places and a college campus. Tens of thousands of other Floridians do this every single day, with no apparent problems.
koriko88 3 years ago
Well said!!!
Tszar78 3 years ago
People who don't want guns on campus are people who have never been victims of gun violence. I have a chl (concealed handgun license) and I'm a student. I think anyone who has a chl should be permitted to carry eveywhere. Like they said, only a small percent of the student body would be carrying. Gun control doesn't keep guns out of the hands of criminals, only out of the hands of law abiding citizens.
commentguy21 3 years ago
no weapons only better protection from the school
taylorluckeroth 3 years ago
But they've already proven that they're unable to provide that protection.
Tszar78 3 years ago
guns forever! everyone should own as many guns as possible.
cooldog61593 3 years ago
word YEAH LETS FINISH EACHOTHER OFF
metalpnk111 3 years ago
This may have already been said but I'm not about to search through arguments and see.
Guns should be allowed on campus because if your in say the cafeteria when a shooter emerges no one is about to go rush him barehanded if your on the other side of the room.
A bullet will rush him nice, quick, and clean assuming you have good aim.
And I will not be trolling this video to argue so I bid you all good day.
zillywang666 3 years ago
'if your in say the cafeteria when a shooter emerges no one is about to go rush him barehanded if your on the other side of the room'
thank you for proving my point the 'other side of the room' is....long range not arms reach where you can disarm that person....see everyone he/she gets it
TENNSUMITSUMA 3 years ago
The Batman lives... striking fear into the hearts of all mortal men with his martial arts prowess, eschewing all forms of firearms.
[of course the ~real~ The Batman wears body armour, unlike our resident MA God who just wraps himself in tinfoil when he goes out.]
kelteckid 3 years ago
thats it now im ALL FOR banning guns, this a good example of someone that lost there mind AFTER they got there gun lic.
get rid of them all and your that much safer from fools like this that cant take the truth that despite what he/she was drilled with guns arn't good in every situation
im gone
TENNSUMITSUMA 3 years ago
The truth comes out when you poke the anti-gun bigots enough times. Tenn was always an anti-gun... period.
kelteckid 3 years ago
I'm not sure why there's an argument here. I am ALL for martial arts. I have studied them for the greater part of my life now. I am ALL for gun ownership and responsible use. It's not about the gun being the end all, it's about options. I like options and it is my right to have them. Getting rid of all guns is just pie in the sky fantasy. As a martial artist I also know that it is easier to teach someone gun safety and use than to teach a MA to a confident proficiency level.
Deke101 3 years ago
......well theres an 'argument' here cause you came back and replied after about a day or two of me not saying anything to you
i dont care anymore....simple fact of time/space, practicality, etc says at grappling range guns are useless because the hand needed to pull aim and shoot can be easily jammed as opposed to outside arm (or leg) range
if some one opens fire in a school from across the room a gun would help more but where ever u r if you get withing grappling range of a gun, its useless
TENNSUMITSUMA 3 years ago
And tenn accusses ~other~ people of being closed minded. :-)
all those people who saved themselves at close quarter which has been reported at clayton cramer's self defense website are just delusional... and the newspapers and broadcast journalists who reported the thousands of stories are just humoring them.
Tenn would have you believe they never, ever happened. But you can read them for yourself.
How much lower can his crediblity get, eh.
kelteckid 3 years ago
TENNSUMITSUMA 3 years ago
shows you can't really follow directions well, either. :-)
Struggle much with the third grade?
I just googled clayton cramer self defense the same was I suggested a number of times to you and, behold, his self defense blog came up NUMBER ONE.
But you knew that already, eh. You were just out there looking for an excuse that you could make up for not reading any real life material that destroys your world view. You can't stand the truth, so you make up fantasy .
kelteckid 3 years ago
react fast enough. It contradicts itself. no one is safe and even if you know or dont know who have guns or not, there is no way to determine who the bad guys are. period. people change and CAN go from bad to good and vice versa
NateC011295 3 years ago
guns should be allowed on campus. but someone doesnt neccesarily have to be close to u to attack you. If someone knew u have a gun, they would be less likely to fuck with you. But evryone assumes that criminals are fucking retards. Some are actually smart, and might know how to get that gun away from you. thats open carry. concealed carry will make people more likely to fuck with you. but if someone decides to try some shit u have the element of surprise on your side but might not be able to
NateC011295 3 years ago
Search for and watch P&T Bullshit Gun Control Part 1, 2 and 3 here on YouTube. Try to watch it while putting your liberal views behind you. Think outside the box for a change. Maybe after that, you'll recognize some people's needs and wants for guns. They're not for everyone but don't try to take my rights away because you don't want to protect yourself.
nativenyerintexas 3 years ago
search for and watch any martial arts demo of how to disarm an opponent with a weapon (gun knife etc) you know the same shit that ARMED forces learn and try to put your trigger happy '2nd amendment' BS behind you. maybe after that you'd realize how useless a gun is if your not going to use it from far away
oh and if you look at the world outside your gun you'd realize your rights are already being taken away and your '2nd amendment' is the least of your troubles
TENNSUMITSUMA 3 years ago
As I said, criminal don't use martial arts. None issue and poor debate tactics. Guns are not useless. They serve a purpose and even if they do nothing more than make someone 'feel' more safe, then that's enough for me. Trigger happy 2nd A BS is what gave you the right to say exactly that. Remember that.
I do realize our rights are slowly being taken away... and mostly by the Liberal gun-haters. So where does it end? I'll tell you, with my gun. They can pry it from my cold, dead hands. I'm done.
nativenyerintexas 3 years ago
1 nothing is stoppling a criminal from using martial arts, just like nothing is stopping them from using guns
2 your an imbecile if you think its a 'None issue and poor debate tactics'
3 guns arnt useless indeed....at a distance
4 ''feel' more safe' false sense of safe is just stupid
5 'Trigger happy 2nd A BS is what gave you the right to say exactly that. Remember that.' ahh no it didnt....WAKE UP
6 i tried, later
TENNSUMITSUMA 3 years ago
"demo of how to disarm an opponent with a weapon "
Ohhh... look, Mom, the Tide detergent commercial shows that Tide works best at getting dirty clothes clean. But the Oxydal commercial showed that ~they~ were the best at doing that. I wonder how that can be?
kelteckid 3 years ago
that the best you can come up with....and your the one that has a gun....
O_O
this is EXACTLY why a lot of people want guns gone completely....
TENNSUMITSUMA 3 years ago
Yes it's the best... and it completely destroyed your point, eh. People who put out videos touting their product usually show their product being superior. And ~you~ thought it was just coincidence ever time it happened like that. :-)
kelteckid 3 years ago
I got to thinking... maybe the should take all of the people who want to own guns and put them on an island somewhere...
Oh wait, we did... We're on that island... so where did all of these anti-gun people come from???
Tszar78 3 years ago
this is why I choose to live in Canada.
More weapons = more violence
You can't just throw more weapons into a situation and expect it to just solve itself
inund8 3 years ago
You're absolutly correct. That's why the NUMBER ONE RULE when there is a college shooting is DON'T CALL THE POLICE. They'll just want to throw more weapons into a situation and expect a solution.
kelteckid 3 years ago
no retard, police are trained in the use of firearms.
If you give the normal average person a firearm in a shootout situation, theyre more likely to cause more collateral damage
inund8 3 years ago
So ~now~ you're changing your mind about "more guns = more violence" eh. Don't even have the courage of your own convictions to try to back up what you say.
And please tell us just how you know what 'training" a civilian has had in the use of firearms. Please list every citizen who carries here, and his/her background.
kelteckid 3 years ago
PS when i finally did find your cramer ON THE SECOND PAGE all i was some blog that didnt tell of any of those people being within close range where you can jam the hand firing the gun
anyone an stop someone with a gun from across a kitchen, lawn, room or otherwise....keep trying though and ill keep not giving a fuck anymore
TENNSUMITSUMA 3 years ago
So you read the thousand plus stories and couldn't find a ~single~ one where the attacker was in contact distance?
Not one?
That's the problem when you try to back up your posts with fantasy, tenn... others can simply go there and see that you are making it up from thin air... and are posting utter nonsense.
I don't have to tell them that... they see plainly for themselves the empty value of your posts. Curse Al Gore all you want but the 'net screws you every time you try a post.
kelteckid 3 years ago
thats the problem, you don't know how much training, if any, training a civie has had, therefore you must assume they have none and are complete retards. Murphy's law comes to mind here
Also officers of the law where distinct uniforms. In a hostile situation a normal civilian carrying maybe confused as to who the actual threats are, and shoot another civilian.
Conversely, police rushing into a situation, won't know who threats are if everyone is carrying.
inund8 3 years ago
Actually, your national crime stats show otherwise...
Tszar78 3 years ago
citation needed
inund8 3 years ago
Google [gunfacts free book 5.0] and you'll have all the cites you need.
kelteckid 3 years ago
1) if you want to project your own level of incompetence on to other people go ahead.
2) So if Sam the student is in a classroom when Ron the psycho comes in shooting people, Sam is going to be so confused as to who the bad guy is that he shoots Fred, who's in the corner minding his own business?
3) Pity the poor undercover cop who gets shot then, by his incompetent department.
kelteckid 3 years ago
3:48 HA HA that kid contradicted himself
TENNSUMITSUMA 3 years ago
It's hard to conceive of the fact that so many are actually brainwashed by he libs to believe that its silly to try to protect themselves. Unfortunately I live in the Peoples Republic of NY.
rangerlion 3 years ago
americans are so ridicolous when it comes to owning guns, it's not the wild west anymore and seems pretty uncivilized. just plain idiocy.
Schmidt54 3 years ago
Thats your opinion, but like many other great countries, we have more people trying to get than trying to leave. We must be doing something right.
I would bet if you were to cross reference gun ownership as a percentage of population and crime rates, you would find the more guns in private hands, the fewer crimes. Just in Europe, I can think of one good example... Switzerland. I don't think the Swiss ever had a "wild west" but they have a high percentage of gun ownership.
Tszar78 3 years ago
native ,i'm on your side on this. i'm a ccdw license holder myself. all i'm saying that it seems alot of the students they interviewed were scared of other irresponsible students being able to carry. now, i went to college and believe me i knew alot of 21 year olds that i wouldnt trust with a squirt gun. so, i see both sides of the story.
drflamo 3 years ago
"i knew alot of 21 year olds that i wouldnt trust with a squirt gun"
Odd, then, that you trust them with a 3,000 lb mass of metal that is capable of dealing out much more damage than a bullet the the size of a couple grains of rice.
kelteckid 3 years ago
I can see your point, but you can't assume guilt before doing anything wrong. Do we to penalize the population of campus dwellers just because there might be a few that are still immature at the age of 21 and of those, might want to get a CHL? If that's the case, then where will the 'guilty until proven innocent' policy end? Are we then to assume that all drivers who drink are drunk drivers? How about people who carry a knife? Are they all killers? That's not what the framers had in mind.
nativenyerintexas 3 years ago
my state (washington) is on the list at the end because of recent assaults and sexual assaults on the University of Washington's greek row. many of the young women are afraid of going home at night? should we have to live in fear? possesing the weapon gives you a sense of security, and having the knowledge on how to properly fire your weapon furthers that sense. so go out there girls and get yourself a cute little .380!
MrBubonicChronic 3 years ago
ha ha ha that's funny (a SENSE of security not real security but a SENSE, which will be gone once you get raped....again), ask any martial artist if you don't believe me a gun is useless at close range and you cant use it at long range since you have to be close to rape, hit mug etc some one
you cant pull a gun and shoot some one from 200 ft away and say well he tried or was going to try to rape me cause your not psychic and close range is too late
TENNSUMITSUMA 3 years ago
I knew a girl who had a cute little .45acp. Its whatever they're comfortable with and practice with! Shot placement is the most important part of shooting.
Criminals prefer unarmed victims.
Tszar78 3 years ago
Texas is also considering concealed carry on campus. Texas is considering expanding gun rights to OPEN carry, not just concealed carry. Currently there are many states (not sure exactly how many) that allow open carry of firearms by law-abiding, SANE, citizens. Just an observation here but those that are against concealed carry on campus doesn't seem to me that they've ever been the victim of a violent crime. If they were, they'd know it sucks to be defenseless.
nativenyerintexas 3 years ago
ha ha ha that's funny (a SENSE of security not real security but a SENSE, which will be gone once you get raped....again), ask any GOOD martial artist if you don't believe me a gun is useless at close range and you cant use it at long range since you have to be close to rape, hit mug etc some one
you cant pull a gun and shoot some one from 200 ft away and say well he tried or was going to try to rape me cause your not psychic
fuck it here comes a video 'the most useless self defense weapon'
TENNSUMITSUMA 3 years ago
Yes and we're all aware of the roming bands of Ninjas and Ronin that we need to worry about.
Guns are not useless at close ranges, but once the aggressor is within 7 yards/meters (21 feet) things can get dicey.
It all boils down to a logical escalation of force. If someone is trying to kill me, I'm going to try to kill them right back.
Tszar78 3 years ago
damn straight....them ninja stars aint shit you wannna fuck with....
21 ft isnt close range, arms length is close range if you dont shoot me before we end up in close range you may as well shoot yourself cause that gun is as good as mine
TENNSUMITSUMA 3 years ago
Yawn...
I suppose IRL you're Chuck Norris?
You're also missing the dynamic for the most part, I would retain the element of surprise. Also at that close of a range, there is a technique where you hold the pistol close to your body and point shoot. Police have to qualify with such a stance.
If you're within arms reach before I've determined you're a threat, then thats a different problem... Sometimes despite all preparations, you're number is up. I'd just rather not depend on others
Tszar78 3 years ago
'yawn' and your dead
oh sorry i didn't realize i had to be chuck norris, bruce lee, royce gracie, tony jaa or anyone else to use martial arts....Oo *shakes head*
'hold the pistol close to your body and point shoot'
HA HA by the time you reach back for your gun, pull the gun from where ever you have it, cock, point and shoot you'd be dead at close range again go ask any good martial artist.
guns are only good at long range but what ever man keep thinking your safe with that gun....
TENNSUMITSUMA 3 years ago
I'VE SEEN THAT MOVIE!!! Are you NEO?!?!?!
FYI
Gun is between the front and back pocket on the inside waistline of my jeans.
No cocking required - double action. You obviously know nothing about firearms, thank you for proving this and invalidating your entire argurment.
From holster to aimed shot fired in less than .2 seconds.
I don't have to ask a good martial artist. One of my buddies from the dorms is an instructor. He's a gun owner too... go figure.
Tszar78 3 years ago
sure he is....
FYI
1 thats where you keep your gun that not everyone
2 a simple flick of the wrist can move you out of line of fire
3 a joint lock only takes .0128 sec to apply
you know nothing of MA thank you for making your counter null and void
so tell me some one comes up to by surprise (not long distance) usually from behind, takes you down and you are gonna be able to reach for your gun, find the target (at night sometimes) point and shoot....HA HA i guess your superman.... *sad*
TENNSUMITSUMA 3 years ago
Superman - thats only a game in the bedroom for my girlfriend.
Assuming your joint lock requires you to move your hand 1 foot, your claiming to move your hands at 50 miles per hour without a windup? You should be a pitcher for the Yankees.
So you randomly go up to people and put them on the ground as you mug them? riiiiight... You can invent a situation which will counter any given defense - Hollywood does it all the time.
If MA is so effective, why does law enforcement carry guns?
Tszar78 3 years ago
see that is why guns should be banned completely cause idiots like you are too much of an imbecile are the ones getting them
'If MA is so effective, why does law enforcement carry guns?'
FOR LONG RANGE! as ive been saying before
and any person even if there the most unfit shape should be able to move there hand at 50 mph any martial artist can do it, you should be able to do it too
PS if MA isnt as useful as guns why do cops and military learn it t restrain ppl at CLOSE RANGE
TENNSUMITSUMA 3 years ago
Answer to your P.S.: Most times the use of lethal force is unwarranted, especially when it comes to LEO and military ops. Most self-defense situations arise within 7 yards. MA will do absolutely no good at that range. Even if someone is charging at you with a bat or chain you stand little chance unless you're good at MA but a gun can dispatch that threat quickly and easily. I'm not saying deadly force, I'm saying stopping the threat. Handguns are good for short to medium range, not long range.
nativenyerintexas 3 years ago
There we go with the name calling Mr. Holier Than Thou, now we get to the crux of the issue, you're superior to everyone else, now I get it...
I'll wager you never witnessed an arrest in real life. It involves a lot of directions being ordered which essentially place the arrestee in a position where they submit to being cuffed... else be tazered. It's not all grapples and slams against the car/floor/wall.
You can keep your 50mph fist, I'll keep my 820mph lead and we'll both be happy.
Tszar78 3 years ago
hey if you think im Superior to you fine i wont complain
but guess what cops pull there gun FROM FAR AWAY and move in not at arms reach, there are always more than one of them pointing a gun cause if it was just one the moment they get close enough its over
and lastly your not a cop so yuou cant pull your gun out in public from far away because you THINK someone might attack you
you keep your gun
TENNSUMITSUMA 3 years ago
You're the one throwing out the insulting names...
And no, I'm not a cop, but several of my shooting buddies are... I'm going off what they tell me and I'd wager what they say is a bit more accurate than some random guy off the net. Most of these guys are not people I'd want to tangle with in a brawl and some of them are excellent shots. I know some of thier training drills.
You keep mentioning FAR FAR AWAY. But you've never quatified this distance.
Tszar78 3 years ago
'You keep mentioning FAR FAR AWAY. But you've never quatified this distance'
you dont read you just want to find the quickest thing to com back at me for i say 'long range' not 'far far away' and i 'quantify distance' as arms reach (close range) beyond arms reach (despite legs reach, long range)
tell me do any of your 'buddies' ever learn joint manipulation and take downs, if so why if guns are enough (plus there is more than 1 of them at a time)
if not their the only one in the US that dont
TENNSUMITSUMA 3 years ago
So what you consider close is within what... 2.5 to 4 feet? A deadly threat at 75 feet would not make it to 4 without resistance
Long range with a pistol is typically considered 50-75 feet. Thats why I was asking for quantified NOT SUBJECTIVE distances. Our ideas of "long range" are different.
Of course they know pressure points etc, and they know how to use them. Becuase they're not stupid, they prefer not to go hand-to-hand if it can be avoided, hence Mr. Tazer. Too many risks.
Tszar78 3 years ago
1 its going to be different for different ppl close range for some one 7 ft tall is sure as hell long range for some one 5 ft or less
2 if someone makes known that there a threat much less a deadly threat from 75 ft away....THEY DESERVE TO GET SHOT
any retard knows you wait till your within grappling range to attack not run at some one from across the street, room or otherwise
TENNSUMITSUMA 3 years ago
And now we're back on topic... Most campus attacks, the attacker made known his intentions to everybody in the immediate vicinity. If at least one of th