How to play Shogi(将棋) -Lesson#12- Skewer and Discovery

[Bean123forjoem]

at 1:52 you could drop the bishop at 2b and still, it's a skewer, right?

[hirohiigo]

@Bean123forjoem Yes, 2b still works, and so does 1a.

[NaturalGroundation]

@NaturalGroundation Nevermind... and this is why it is a Dragon king LOL... Now if it was a regular rook my plan would have worked HAHAHA

[zhumanchuie]

Why did you use the dragon king for the opponent in the exercise?

[MagicksMage]

I laughed when you said "swapped" ^-^

[luboSVK]

At your last exercise (opponents rook on 7A) : If I move a bishop to 8E, attacking the rook and putting king into check, would it be good move? Or is there some answer of the opponent that I can't see?

[hirohiigo]

@luboSVK Gote will drop his pawn to 7d, blocking the check and the attack on the dragon. It's a good idea, but promoting the bishop to give a threatmate is the only move in this position.

[gokharol]

this looks so smart! :D

[borha300]

at 1:44 it doeas work u just get the other 1

[hirohiigo]

@borha300 Look more carefully. The bishop is now defending the gold, so your attack has failed. You can take the gold, but trading a rook for a gold is a material loss.

[lisyaron]

At 5:24, it is probably better for King takes after knight checks. Opponent can then recapture after lance captures rook.

Thanks for a great tutorial :)

[OneWeirdDude]

In the 5:15 example, White should use the king instead of the pawn to take the lance. It doesn't change the solution, but it might in similar situations, and White at least gets to soften the blow.

[hirohiigo]

@OneWeirdDude In abbreviated situations like this, you don't know if in a real game sente would have more pieces in hand. Usually it's a bad idea to move your king closer to the attack, so in this case in a real game, taking with a pawn was better.

[someone389]

4:30 "you can take the dragon... for free!" that sounded so awesome! i love your vids hidetchi your english is great you are my favorite japanese person

[iLuvHinata360]

brilliant skewers and discoveries ^^. This definitely opened my mind to efficient moves ^^! Hidetchi sensei Arigatai desu, domo arigatö gozaimasu!

[FoodPunch]

I cant find any shogi sets in singapore D: playing with the computer sucks, i keep losing... I wanna challenge my dad instead... :/

[hoodedraider]

I'm kinda new to this game. but could you explain how white couldve saved both at 3:31 ?

Coz moving gold to 4E would still leave the king in check

[HIDETCHI]

Gold to 4e blocks the check.

[hoodedraider]

haha ye i figured that out later.. was counting 4 from the left side instead of the right O.o

anyway since Im typing anyway.. thanks for answering my questions in other vids aswell..

and ofcourse a huuuge thanks for posting these super well explained tutorials

[hamsturinn]

i got a question can some one play this game blindly by only saying where your gana move and set the pieces can the brain handle it ?

[HIDETCHI]

Of course.

At least the professional players can all play blind shogi.

[Takumi0justifaiz]

i noticed t hat you put the rook promtoed side (dragon) on th e piece stand.. shouldn't it be in the unpromoted side?

[HIDETCHI]

It doesn't matter, though it's more polite to put it unpromoted.

It will anyway be placed unpromoted when it's dropped.

[Gerstein1]

I love this game!! I don't know where I can find a cheap set, so I use two sets of chess pieces that look somewhat different. Pawns=pawns, Bishop=bishop

Rook=Rook Different rook= lance

Knight=Knight Different bishop= silver general , Queens= Gold General

King=king. A backgamon chip below the piece meens it's promoted, and a chip behind it tells you which color it's really playing for if you drop it. You play on the corners, just like in Go, so it's a 9x9 board. If you have two sets, try it!!!

[seriousdudeserious]

Thanks for the lesson.

I just played my first three shogi games (program named Booze, I use a Mac), an my! Discovering that a rook is being dropped behind your King and setting you Check Mate is something.

The fact that I have to anticipate the dropping pieces aswell as the moves of the board pieces is quite tough. Looking forward to lesson 14!

I sure enjoy this game, but I still think to much like a western

chess player.

[HIDETCHI]

Thanks for the comment.

I'm glad you like this game.

Right. Anticipating the dropping pieces is quite tough. :-)

[MXdetty]

yea i like these pices too where didi you get them from ore more important where is the board from?

[RPGCClessAlvein]

At 5:23, wouldn't having white king capture black narikei be better?

[HIDETCHI]

Yes, because he can recapture the promoted Lance.

I just wanted to demonstrate you can take the Rook by discovery attack anyway.

[Kagemaru089]

Were did you buy these pieces? Or were can I find them? Thanks for the very educational videos!

[huckerpaws]

Ohhh.  That makes sense. Thanks!

[huckerpaws]

Hello. I am learning this game, and love your videos! I did have one question though. At about the 9:16 mark, when we are trying to capture the dragon the second time, couldn't we just put the king in check with the bishop, and take the dragon? By moving it up, left 1? Or is it done a different way to help win the game? Thanks. GREAT VIDEOS!!!

[HIDETCHI]

Thanks for your comment.

If you make a check with Bishop to 8e, White will just block it by Pawn drop to 7d.

[MastahBoss]

Awesome, i was completely oblivious to the fork at 7-a on the last exercise. I went with a different approach though.

By droping gold at 5-c.

I also am using a different shogi program

one thats not outdated compared to master shogi. Called shogidokoro.

[HIDETCHI]

Hi.

Hmmm, Droping gold at 5c is also good, but opponent's dragon will escape to 1b or 2b.

I didn't know about shogidokoro. I looked it up in the web and found it. It's looks great. Thanks for telling me.