John 14:14 Yes, ask me for anything in my name, and I will do it!
John 16:23 At that time you won’t need to ask me for anything. I tell you the truth, you will ask the Father DIRECTLY, and he will grant your request because you use my name
asks the anti-catholic heretic... A good & true Catholic Answer would be:
"I am redeemed by the precious blood of Christ, I trust in Him alone for my Salvation, and just as the Bible teaches in Philippians 2:12 I am working out
my Salvation in fear and trembling, knowing that it is God's gift of grace that is working in me, and, with a hopeful heart & confidence, not a false assurance,
I do all this, as the Catholic Church has taught, unchanged from the time of Christ"
"What does it profit, my brethren, if a man says he has faith but has not works ? Can his faith save him ? If a brother or sister is ill-clad & in lack of daily food, &
one of you says to them, 'Go in peace, be warmed and filled', without giving them the things needed for the body, what does it profit ?
So faith by itself, if it has no works is dead.....
If Sola Fide is true, then everyone is saved. Christians, Buddhists, Muslims, and Atheists. The reason why this is so, is because we can do nothing on our part to be saved. Jesus already died on the cross and everything is finished. There is a problem with this logic because we do and have to do something on our part, that is believe. Belief is a work. You have to accept Jesus, which is an action. Saying a sinner’s prayer is an action. One has to do this by oneself, Jesus doesnt do that for us.
Please carefully and prayerfully read Matthew 25:31-46 and then answer me this question. Were the people judged by what they have done and what they have not done, or by their faith alone?
James 2:24 says it best "See how a person is justified by works and not by faith alone" this is also the only passage where the words faith and alone appear in the bible.
Is the misunderstanding on the part of Catholics, or is it a misunderstanding on the part of protestants who fail to recognize scripture verses that support the role works, deeds, and good fruit have leading too and completing salvation? For Instance Acts 10:35 "But in every nation he that feareth him, and worketh righteousness, is accepted with him." this is from KJV
" Are you saved ! ? " asks the anti-catholic heretic.....
A good Catholic Answer would be :
"Well, I am redeemed by the precious blood of Christ,
I trust in Him alone for my Salvation, and just as the Bible teaches (Phili' 2:12)
I am working out my Salvation in fear and trembling, knowing that it is God's gift of grace that is working in me, and, with a hopeful heart & confidence, not a false
assurance, I do all this, as the Catholic Church has taught, unchanged from the time of Christ" ✟
+ Again, regarding Justification,the Catholic Church teaches that justification starts at a moment in time, but does not stop there, but continues through out a Christians entire life.
- Justification is made operative in the true Christians life by both faith and works/actions
When we first come to God in faith, we have nothing in our hands to offer him. Then God gives us grace to obey his commandments in love, and he rewards us with salvation when we offer these acts of love back to him.
By grace, our faith in Christ puts us in a special grace filled relationship with God so that our obedience and love, combined with our faith, will be rewarded with
When we first come to God in faith, we have nothing in our hands to offer him. Then God gives us grace to obey his commandments in love, and he rewards us with salvation when we offer these acts of love back to him.
By grace, our faith in Christ puts us in a special grace filled relationship with God so that our obedience and love, combined with our faith, will be rewarded with
@CrusaderLuis This is a key verse, because those who believe enough to cast out demons in Christ's name, will be turned away because they did actually know Christ. How do we prove we know him? We must Love him by following his commandments.
@wealththinkers I dont understand if you belive my letter to be incorrect tell me so that i might understand? I really would like to know if i am in the wrong.
"For he will render to every man according to his works : to those who by patience in well-doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, he will give eternal life..."
- Even though only God's grace enables us to love others, these works and acts of love do please him, and God promises to reward them with eternal life.
When we come to God and are justified, we enter a right relationship with God.
Nothing preceding true Justification, whether faith or good works, earns Gods grace, but then, God plants his love in our hearts, and we are enabled to live out our faith, by doing good works & acts of love.
"Bear one another's burdens, and so fulfil the law of Christ".
In the following verse, Paul is stating that we are saved by grace. Paul is NOT pitting works against faith. Paul is NOT focusing on the inner workings of Justification.
Paul is pitting works against grace."For by grace you have been saved through faith; and this is not your own doing, it is the gift of God not because of works, lest any man should boast. For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand, that we should walk in them."
It is important to keep in mind that when Paul used the word "works", in Romans 3:28, he is using it in a different way from Jesus or James or the Catholic Church. Paul is simply referring to Jewish obligational "WORKS OF THE LAW" & NOT
the deeds in a persons life, that must be tied in to their faith for their faith to be alive, true & effectual.
Moreover, the Catholic Church has always taught that our works are solely the result of God's Grace working in us, period.
The Catholic church has the fullest and correct understanding of the faith. Its our works (of faith) that iive life and infuse us with grace that FEEDS our faith keeping it alive and growing and "bearing fruit" in our lives. That has been made abundantly clear by christ and the church since the beginning.
Martin Luthers introductiono of soal fide is a 17th century man-made tradition.
@joemizzi--> dear brother, I am a Catholic, but I could not adequately appreciate your teaching, as it interacts with the English, only through the translator, but we are one big family, and we need more than ever not to work for a only one church (New Age), but for only one love and one only Holy Spirit, avoiding the contempt on secondary issues: of course, Paul said that a good faith dynamic will necessarily make a dynamic of good works, because a tree is known by value of his fruit
Good works increase the righteousness we are given at justification and please God, who promises to give us supernatural rewards on the last day, including the gift of eternal life (Rom 2:6-7, Gal 6:6-10).
I enjoyed your talk and even though you take a Protestant line you obviously have more understanding than the average Protestant on the value of works. The verse I look to often on works and their value is Revelation 20:13 "And the sea gave up the dead that were in it, and death and hell gave up their dead that were in them; and they were judged every one according to their works. "
Sola Fide, doesn't fit into these scripture verses. Romans 2: Romans 2:5But after thy hardness and impenitent heart treasurest up unto thyself wrath against the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God; 6Who will render to every man according to his deeds: 7To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life: 8But unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath
Joe, at least you come to the table to seek and understand truth. But there is more to it than what speak of in the video. We are in agreement that works by themselves without faith doesn't justify us for eternal life. But works will certainly determine with faith if our salvation is complete. God honors our good works, as in the case with Cornelius, the first gentile Christian, and asks us to repent from our evil works.
This guy would have more credibility if modern Protestantism did not exist to simply spread misinformation and misunderstanding about Catholicism. Source: any anti-Catholic Chick Tract.
There is no misunderstanding. If you are honest with yourself, you must admit that you believe you are ALREADY saved (unless you're a non-predestined calvinist). Catholics know there will be a final judgement at which time our salvation will be known.
If you believe you're already saved, then you can talk as attractively as you want about faith not being alone, but it's all smoke and mirrors. If you believe you're already saved then, sorry, Sola Fide means "faith ALONE".
@pbaylis1 So God does not know what we will do, and is thus unknowing of something, and therefore not all-knowing. The reason why Catholics are often attacked is because they've abandoned the teachings of both Augustine and scripture and have taken to worship a God that is not omniscient, omnipotent, or omnipresent.
@JonTheJansenist Being made in the image and likeness of God actually means something. It means that we are creators like him, we can love the good of "the other" which is a fundamental principle behind the creation of something. You have to want the good of the other for its own sake. Our ability to choose to love or not to love is where out free will comes in to play. God does not make that choice for us and God is not omniscient because he knows and thereofore determines what ...
@havock89 So because we are made in God's image and likeness, we are gifted with the capability of circumventing his will? Can you cite either a bible verse or a non-heretical early father of the church who taught this view of man's nature as a created being?
@JonTheJansenist The whole bible is full of it. Eve picking to fruit from the tree of good and evil (the choice to become her own god in matters of her interior governing of morality.) is the clearest example.
Why would i cite a church father? That would be appealing to an authority you dont accept. These are not complicated issues here. they are a matter of common sense to those who have not been confused by the blind faith they have in their own moral godhood.
@havock89 You're speaking of man/woman BEFORE the fall, read Augustine's works again.
P.S. - I'm not an anti-historic Protestant, I'm a member of the Ultrajectine faith and affirm that Catholic faith of the first 1000 years (the true Catholic faith, not the false Roman sect.) I affirm the truth spoken by the church fathers insofar as they agree with God's revelation.
@havock89 Indeed, now are you going to answer my question or run from it? You assert that the fathers have authority (I don't deny this). Do you actually know where that authority comes from and how it applies to the Catholic faith? And I'm looking for a real answer from an actual father or from the dogmas of the early councils, not from some apologetic approved by the Koran kissing apostates currently pretending to hold authority at the Vatican.
@JonTheJansenist The authority of the church fathers or the authority of priest fathers? Anyway all authority comes from GOD. - Rome is the church that every other out of neccessity should agree with on account of it't preeminity authority -(paraphraze from Irenaeus) The seat of Peter has all authority to approve doctrin and dogma without a council. And his sole authority is reconized over the council at Chalcedon in the matter of the 28th cannon.
@gtepp031387 It's preeminent authority does not exist when it is occupied by heretics, and Canon 29 deals with the issue of removing unworthy bishops from office (the pope is the bishop of Rome). Furthermore, Canon 28 grants equal authority to Constantinople (the papal legates were not even present at the council and Leo refused to ratify it) which was reaffirmed in the 36th canon. The papacy upheld their coequal standing with Constantinople by sending crusaders to sack and plunder it.
@JonTheJansenist The 28th cannon was never accepted it was vitoed by the Pope here is the proof. Pope Leo refused to agree to this canon; and employing a kind of "line item veto," ordered it struck from the Council documents. In this, Bishop Anatolius of Constantinople writes to Pope Leo, apologizing and explaining how the canon came to be, saying ... "As for those things which the universal Council of Chalcedon recently ordained in favor of the church of Constantinople,...
@JonTheJansenist who from my youth have always loved peace and quiet, keeping myself in humility. It was the most reverend clergy of the church of Constantinople who were eager about it, and they were equally supported by the most reverend priests of those parts, who agreed about it.EVEN SO, THE WHOLE CONFERMATION OF THE ACTS WAS RESERVED FOR THE AUTHORITY OF YOUR BLESSEDNESS. Therefore, let Your Holiness know for certain that I did nothing to further the matter,....
@JonTheJansenist Listen here you vile little cretin, dont even begin to insult popes or I'll open up a can of whoopass on your backside, ok?
If you deny the teaching authority of the church, or doubt the pedigree and infallability of the church on teachings of faith and morals, you are a protestant. Each and every pope takes his place as a church father unless they have been declared anti-popes by the next. The Holy Spirit guides them on this matter as the divine redeemer willed it to be.
@havock89 knowing always that I held myself bound to avoid the lusts of pride and covetousness." -- Patriarch Anatolius of Constantinople to Pope Leo, Ep 132 (on the subject of canon 28 of Chalcedon).
@havock89 So, the matter was settled; and, for the next 6 centuries, all Eastern churches speak of only 27 canons of Chalcedon -- the 28th Canon being rendered null and void by Rome's "line item veto." This is supported by all the Greek historians, such as Theodore the Lector (writing in 551 AD), John Skolastikas (writing in 550 AD), Dionysius Exegius (also around 550 AD); and by Roman Popes like Pope St. Gelasius (c. 495) and Pope Symmachus (c. 500) -- all speak of only 27 cannons at Chalcedon
@gtepp031387 While a few early Patriarchs may have bowed to Leo's wishes, which I am well aware of, there are limits to papal authority and these canons exist now. If Rome is in an actual position to veto the will of councils ( which renders the pope an absolute tyrant and isn't supported by the gospel or the apostles ), it logically follows that the Magisterium can likewise null and void all the traditions of Christendom and embrace Semi-pelagianism, hence Vatican I, II and Trent.
@JonTheJansenist As the head,chief,prince of the apostels,pillar of the faith,foundation of the Catholic church(all of which are titles given by ecumentical council to the Pope of Rome) decided,defined,and proclaimed to and for the whole church that pelagianism was correct it would be. The Pope is only limited and judged by GOD, not by any man or even council. That being said we are no semi-plegianist like the Orthodox are we believe grace is the only was to gain greater grace "grace for grace"
@gtepp031387 To put it more plainly, the Roman Catholic Church is the Popish Catholic Church, rather than a Christian Church. This is precisely what this blasphemous claim you've made amounts to.
P.S. - Since Trent, Rome has accepted Molinism (Jesuit semi-Pelagianism) as a valid view of grace. You're even more semi-Pelagian than the Orthodox are, you actually get into a methodical way of explaining how you earn grace through works rather than grace working in you.
@JonTheJansenist The church doesn't teach you can earn grace, can you find me one shred of evidence that says this? And i mean a Papel bull, not the writtings of some deceting bishop
@badpanda84 1) Mary is the mother of the church, she is the greatest of all creatures that bore the living word, she is the ark of the covenate, and the queen who stands in heaven.
2) Mary and the Pope work together, the Pope is the temperal head of the church but he relies on the intercession and grace that flows from our blessed mother. Temporally the Pope has no equal in authority but in the divine church Marys authority is greater and the temperal must yield to the divine.
@badpanda84 If you looked at my post, though it was badly written I admit, I post nuns and monks in the same comma, meaning they each hold the same authority.
@JonTheJansenist sry last sentance should read "grace is the only WAY to gain greater grace" which is supported by Augustine in his letter on grace and free will. He uses the exact passage in his writtings "grace for grace" (John 1:16)
@JonTheJansenist And thoes cannos only exist in the mind of heritics they were dismissed and accepted as dismissed for 6 centuries in both the east and the west
@gtepp031387 So the canons are only valid if they are older than other ones? If this is the case, the Chalcedonian Creed precedes the doctrine of transubstantiation, and yet you've allowed a contradictory doctrine to supersede an older and scripture-based dogma.
P.S. - What exactly is the final authority in Rome today anyway? Councils, Popes, or God's Word? I left Rome 3 years ago precisely because of such needless confusion.
@JonTheJansenist Whe did i say that the cannos were not valid? A cannon matters not by which age that is silly. It matters whether or not it was approved by the See of Peter.
@havock89 Actually he can sidestep dogma even if he wants to, hence the Pelagian garbage that was Unigenitus and the persecution of the Augustinians in France who wouldn't welcome Alumbrados heretics under the leadership of Ignatius of Loyola and the support of the corrupt Medici family. The pope not only gets his power directly from God, he is actually standing in for God. This is why I've come to refer to him as "the man of perdition".
@JonTheJansenist No he cant. That is a blatant lie that exposes how little you know about the faith. It begs the question - what do you think dogma is?
Dont dare refer to my pope as such or our conversation ends here. Keep your vile wickedness to yourself.
@havock89 So the Greek and Russian Orthodox Churches and the Diocese of Utrecht are protestant? This is in contradiction even with the statements of the last couple of popes. Furthermore, I will kindly refer you back to the many instances of John Paul II and a few others committing apostasy against Christ by kissing the Koran and praising pagan religions. If a spirit is guiding these acts, it surely is not The Holy Spirit, lest you wish to assert that the church fathers and bible are liars.
@havock89 Oh my, so your a Catholic hippie then I take it? Have you ever actually read any of the early church fathers and their views regarding paganism? Have you read the accounts of how the popes of the 8th century up until the 19th century viewed Islam? I will grant you that the Alumbrados heresy which ended up subjecting Europe to the tyranny of the Jesuits made Romanism more compatible with Islam on a doctrinal level, but having fellowship with those who deny the trinity? Just wow!!!
@JonTheJansenist You just conflated gods nature with mans nature. Nice to see you are consistent in your inability to reason correctly.
I am not a hippy I deal with reality. the reality that theology is mankinds ordered attempt to understand special revelation, and that it moves forward to great understanding and allow for a greater closeness to Christ. You cant see the woods for the trees. The pope, which we owe obedience & respect, is not the true power in the chruch, the saints are.
@JonTheJansenist LOL "catholic hippie" I have never heard that phrase -- what exactly dose that mean -- is that a catholic who smokes weed and cant be bothered getting a job
@badpanda84 After reading your posts here, I will retract the "hippie" remark, radical feminist would be the appropriate words to describe the nonsense I'm seeing out of you right now.
"But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence." (1 Tim. 2:12)
@JonTheJansenist For one this verse is dealing with matters inside the church, the church has allways affirmed that a woman can teach outside of the church, espeacially to other wemon and children. We see in the bible the office of deaconess, a practice that is still used in the eastern Christian churches to this day. For two I would not permit a man(of the flesh) to speak in the church either...only one in the spirit should speak and teach in the church.
@gtepp031387 This wasn't the point of my post, and I agree with the points that you've made. However, just as you would not want a man of the flesh preaching from the pulpit (if this refers to a man who is married and has children, this is a sad testimony of Rome's attitude towards the revelation of the institution of marriage), I don't want a bold heretic who conflates Mary with the Holy Trinity preaching from the pulpit, and badpanda84 got dangerously close to doing that.
@JonTheJansenist No it does not reffer to a married man,(I was reffering to one being with the spirit of truth and one not) the Catholic church has many married priest, it is only in the latin rite where celibacy is practised. Marriage is one of sacrements, and we hold it in a very high light....I am sry but some use this passage in a very unorthodox way, I was just explaining the depth of this passage as in a whole with the rest of the scripture.
@gtepp031387 To my knowledge, unless something changed since 2007, the only members of the clergy who kept wives are converts from the Anglican, Swedish or Eastern Orthodox Churches. Furthermore, if marriage be a sacrament, then it contradicts that of monkish vows, which fall under the Holy Orders sacrament. Unfortunately one can not partake of all of God's blessed sacraments in Rome and are doomed to fall short, unless you have a Bull or Decree stating to the contrary.
@JonTheJansenist Uhmm ever heard of any of our eastern rites?...The maronites, the melekites?....We have thousands of married priest, only in our Latin rite is celibacy practised...we have probley a dozen eastern rites and one Latin rite.
Marriage is a sacrement, monks and priest are both holy orders which are a seperate sacrement.
@JonTheJansenist The maronites never broke from communion with the bishop of Rome, so they are not converts by the way, they are an original eastern rite(Antiochian) Catholic church.
@JonTheJansenist cont... we will do before we do it. He is omniscience because he views all things simultaneously as part of his eternal present. There is no before or after with god only an eternal now. The choice is ours, by he knows what we will freely choose before we do it. not be cause its PRE-determined because that concept is a human one, but because he is ETERNALLY present when we make that choice.
Of course GOD knows. It's WE who don't know. Are you saying you know what God knows when you call yourself saved? That's essentially what you should admit to.
@pbaylis1 No, I'm asserting that the Roman Catholic Church is at odds with God's revealed Word, and also with the majority of the early fathers. I don't know where you make the leap that I have asserted any knowledge of God's eternal decree. You argue like a Jesuit, and if you are one, I'd be more concerned with mending your ways and becoming an actual Christian before you die.
@pbaylis1 Are you certain that your fear and trembling is from saving faith and not from heresy? Paul's working out of salvation was not only profound, but extremely specific.
There must be 2000 changes to the original bible since Luther decided he knew better than God. And you have the gall to say that WE are at odds with God's revealed word. But, even if we are wrong 90% of the time, we have authority and Christ's promise to bind in heaven whatever is bound by his anointed. You don't have that authority. Whatever you say can be taken or left. Christ's true church has taken on board whatever God chooses to reveal through protestants or whoever else.
@pbaylis1 The fact that you can assert that "even if we were wrong..." with a clear conscience is sheer insanity. Furthermore, I care not for the slicers of scripture or the various radical reformers who have perverted things beyond all recognition, I'm here, one claimant to ancient Christendom to another, where is your claim that the pope can override a council or any other historic church decree? Where does it say that the Medici family has any connection with Saint Peter in succession?
@pbaylis1 I'm sorry, I didn't know that Augustine lived in the 11th-12th century. I believe in "THE REAL PRESENCE" of Christ at the Eucharist, but transubstantiation is a later doctrine that is not agreed to by all ancient churches, therefore it is not binding, nor was it ratified by a valid ecumenical council.
@missingjim woe to u so called christians! woe to u, u do not believe in God for if u did u would believe in the one he sent! woe to u who do not not acknowledge the authority of God given to peter and his sucssesores! woe to u who do not understand u can not enter throught the gate of heaven, for it is locked, without the keys iv placed on the seat of peter! woe to u if u believed in God u would trust his judgment and listen to the one he gave authority to teach!
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HOW to DEBUNK the CATHOLIC CHURCH on "Sola Fide"
Jesus who is God and apostles taught FAITH ALONE
John 6:28 They replied, “We want to perform God’s works, too. What should we do?”
Jesus told them, “This is the only work God wants from you: Believe in the one he has sent.”
Titus 3:4 But—“When God our Savior revealed his kindness & love,HE SAVED US,NOT BECAUSE OF D RIGHTEOUS THINGS WE HAD DONE, but because of his mercy
abukid 1 month ago
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CATHOLIC CHURCH PRAYER TO THE DEAD "DEBUNKED"
COMMAND OF JESUS CATHOLICS FAILED TO FOLLOW
Jesus says,
John 14:14 Yes, ask me for anything in my name, and I will do it!
John 16:23 At that time you won’t need to ask me for anything. I tell you the truth, you will ask the Father DIRECTLY, and he will grant your request because you use my name
Saints CAN'T cure CANCER
abukid 1 month ago
Jesus dismissed Sola Fide when he said that every tree which does not bear fruit is thrown into the fire. You must keep his commands.
StringPlunker 1 month ago
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@StringPlunker "Jesus dismissed Sola Fide when he said that every tree which does not bear fruit is thrown into the fire."
Isnt Sola Fide mean "the bible only" --You must keep his commands -- which are written ONLY in the bible -
badpanda84 3 weeks ago
do your homework, you fundi.......
warriorm316 4 months ago
It is absolutely clear from the Bible that faith is authentic only when it is
accompanied by works, one could say: works are the hallmarks of true faith
in Christ & inseparable from faith.
The only thing that we are justified by ALONE is the Grace of God..
That is to say that not one of us would have a chance at Salvation but for
the grace of God.
"Since the initiative belongs to God in the order of grace, no one can
merit the initial grace of forgiveness and justification. ( C.C.C. 2010 )
CrusaderLuis 1 year ago
" Are you saved ! ? "
asks the anti-catholic heretic... A good & true Catholic Answer would be:
"I am redeemed by the precious blood of Christ, I trust in Him alone for my Salvation, and just as the Bible teaches in Philippians 2:12 I am working out
my Salvation in fear and trembling, knowing that it is God's gift of grace that is working in me, and, with a hopeful heart & confidence, not a false assurance,
I do all this, as the Catholic Church has taught, unchanged from the time of Christ"
CrusaderLuis 1 year ago 5
"What does it profit, my brethren, if a man says he has faith but has not works ? Can his faith save him ? If a brother or sister is ill-clad & in lack of daily food, &
one of you says to them, 'Go in peace, be warmed and filled', without giving them the things needed for the body, what does it profit ?
So faith by itself, if it has no works is dead.....
You see that a man is justified by works and not
by faith alone". ( James 2:14-17,24 )
CrusaderLuis 1 year ago
Yes, Indeed Jesus does say this Archangel777, you are correct...
"Not everyone who says to me 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the Kingdom of heaven,
but only he who does the will of my Father".
( Matthew 7:21 )
CrusaderLuis 1 year ago
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CrusaderLuis 1 year ago
Does not Jesus Himself say that not all who believe in Him will gain the kingdom of Heaven? Doesn't that kind of throw sola fide out the window?
Archangel777Catholic 1 year ago
If Sola Fide is true, then everyone is saved. Christians, Buddhists, Muslims, and Atheists. The reason why this is so, is because we can do nothing on our part to be saved. Jesus already died on the cross and everything is finished. There is a problem with this logic because we do and have to do something on our part, that is believe. Belief is a work. You have to accept Jesus, which is an action. Saying a sinner’s prayer is an action. One has to do this by oneself, Jesus doesnt do that for us.
greenpatrick125 1 year ago
@greenpatrick125 There seems to be a logic problem in Sola Fide
greenpatrick125 1 year ago
Please carefully and prayerfully read Matthew 25:31-46 and then answer me this question. Were the people judged by what they have done and what they have not done, or by their faith alone?
100PercentCatholic 1 year ago
James 2:24 says it best "See how a person is justified by works and not by faith alone" this is also the only passage where the words faith and alone appear in the bible.
gtepp031387 1 year ago
Is the misunderstanding on the part of Catholics, or is it a misunderstanding on the part of protestants who fail to recognize scripture verses that support the role works, deeds, and good fruit have leading too and completing salvation? For Instance Acts 10:35 "But in every nation he that feareth him, and worketh righteousness, is accepted with him." this is from KJV
wealththinkers 1 year ago
" Are you saved ! ? " asks the anti-catholic heretic.....
A good Catholic Answer would be :
"Well, I am redeemed by the precious blood of Christ,
I trust in Him alone for my Salvation, and just as the Bible teaches (Phili' 2:12)
I am working out my Salvation in fear and trembling, knowing that it is God's gift of grace that is working in me, and, with a hopeful heart & confidence, not a false
assurance, I do all this, as the Catholic Church has taught, unchanged from the time of Christ" ✟
CrusaderLuis 1 year ago 10
@CrusaderLuis That is good!
wealththinkers 1 year ago
+ Again, regarding Justification,the Catholic Church teaches that justification starts at a moment in time, but does not stop there, but continues through out a Christians entire life.
- Justification is made operative in the true Christians life by both faith and works/actions
CrusaderLuis 1 year ago
When we first come to God in faith, we have nothing in our hands to offer him. Then God gives us grace to obey his commandments in love, and he rewards us with salvation when we offer these acts of love back to him.
By grace, our faith in Christ puts us in a special grace filled relationship with God so that our obedience and love, combined with our faith, will be rewarded with
eternal life.
CrusaderLuis 1 year ago
Good works are worthy of merit.
When we first come to God in faith, we have nothing in our hands to offer him. Then God gives us grace to obey his commandments in love, and he rewards us with salvation when we offer these acts of love back to him.
By grace, our faith in Christ puts us in a special grace filled relationship with God so that our obedience and love, combined with our faith, will be rewarded with
eternal life.
CrusaderLuis 1 year ago
+"Not everyone who says to me 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the Kingdom of heaven,
but only he who DOES the will of my Father". ( Matthew 7:21 )
CrusaderLuis 1 year ago
@CrusaderLuis This is a key verse, because those who believe enough to cast out demons in Christ's name, will be turned away because they did actually know Christ. How do we prove we know him? We must Love him by following his commandments.
wealththinkers 1 year ago
@wealththinkers I dont understand if you belive my letter to be incorrect tell me so that i might understand? I really would like to know if i am in the wrong.
gtepp031387 1 year ago
@gtepp031387 No it was a good letter!
wealththinkers 1 year ago
@wealththinkers Sry about that i sent you a pm that explains more
gtepp031387 1 year ago
"For he will render to every man according to his works : to those who by patience in well-doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, he will give eternal life..."
( Romans 2:6-7 )
CrusaderLuis 1 year ago
- Even though only God's grace enables us to love others, these works and acts of love do please him, and God promises to reward them with eternal life.
CrusaderLuis 1 year ago
When we come to God and are justified, we enter a right relationship with God.
Nothing preceding true Justification, whether faith or good works, earns Gods grace, but then, God plants his love in our hearts, and we are enabled to live out our faith, by doing good works & acts of love.
"Bear one another's burdens, and so fulfil the law of Christ".
( Galatians 6:2 )
CrusaderLuis 1 year ago
In the following verse, Paul is stating that we are saved by grace. Paul is NOT pitting works against faith. Paul is NOT focusing on the inner workings of Justification.
Paul is pitting works against grace."For by grace you have been saved through faith; and this is not your own doing, it is the gift of God not because of works, lest any man should boast. For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand, that we should walk in them."
Eph 2:8-10
CrusaderLuis 1 year ago
It is important to keep in mind that when Paul used the word "works", in Romans 3:28, he is using it in a different way from Jesus or James or the Catholic Church. Paul is simply referring to Jewish obligational "WORKS OF THE LAW" & NOT
the deeds in a persons life, that must be tied in to their faith for their faith to be alive, true & effectual.
Moreover, the Catholic Church has always taught that our works are solely the result of God's Grace working in us, period.
CrusaderLuis 1 year ago
The Catholic church has the fullest and correct understanding of the faith. Its our works (of faith) that iive life and infuse us with grace that FEEDS our faith keeping it alive and growing and "bearing fruit" in our lives. That has been made abundantly clear by christ and the church since the beginning.
Martin Luthers introductiono of soal fide is a 17th century man-made tradition.
havock89 1 year ago
In reading the bible it appears to me that we are urged to DO something, not simply and solely Believe something ...
kelloggshow 1 year ago
@joemizzi--> dear brother, I am a Catholic, but I could not adequately appreciate your teaching, as it interacts with the English, only through the translator, but we are one big family, and we need more than ever not to work for a only one church (New Age), but for only one love and one only Holy Spirit, avoiding the contempt on secondary issues: of course, Paul said that a good faith dynamic will necessarily make a dynamic of good works, because a tree is known by value of his fruit
humanumgenus 1 year ago
Good works increase the righteousness we are given at justification and please God, who promises to give us supernatural rewards on the last day, including the gift of eternal life (Rom 2:6-7, Gal 6:6-10).
endofus 1 year ago
I enjoyed your talk and even though you take a Protestant line you obviously have more understanding than the average Protestant on the value of works. The verse I look to often on works and their value is Revelation 20:13 "And the sea gave up the dead that were in it, and death and hell gave up their dead that were in them; and they were judged every one according to their works. "
Sounds pretty clear to me.
7propitious 1 year ago
Sola Fide, doesn't fit into these scripture verses. Romans 2: Romans 2:5But after thy hardness and impenitent heart treasurest up unto thyself wrath against the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God; 6Who will render to every man according to his deeds: 7To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life: 8But unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath
wealththinkers 1 year ago
Joe, at least you come to the table to seek and understand truth. But there is more to it than what speak of in the video. We are in agreement that works by themselves without faith doesn't justify us for eternal life. But works will certainly determine with faith if our salvation is complete. God honors our good works, as in the case with Cornelius, the first gentile Christian, and asks us to repent from our evil works.
wealththinkers 1 year ago
Why do Protestants insist on the false gospel of Sola Fida?!
heretic154 1 year ago
The Bible is clear that faith and works go together.and James 2:14-26 makes it clear that he means merit.
Catholics are correct and it is utterly fatal to Protestantism.
Martin Luther tried to have the Book of James removed from the Cannon of Scripture because he knew it sunk his man made doctrine of faith alone.
yellowballpoets 1 year ago
This guy would have more credibility if modern Protestantism did not exist to simply spread misinformation and misunderstanding about Catholicism. Source: any anti-Catholic Chick Tract.
Zwei4815 1 year ago
There is no misunderstanding. If you are honest with yourself, you must admit that you believe you are ALREADY saved (unless you're a non-predestined calvinist). Catholics know there will be a final judgement at which time our salvation will be known.
If you believe you're already saved, then you can talk as attractively as you want about faith not being alone, but it's all smoke and mirrors. If you believe you're already saved then, sorry, Sola Fide means "faith ALONE".
pbaylis1 2 years ago 2
@pbaylis1 So God does not know what we will do, and is thus unknowing of something, and therefore not all-knowing. The reason why Catholics are often attacked is because they've abandoned the teachings of both Augustine and scripture and have taken to worship a God that is not omniscient, omnipotent, or omnipresent.
JonTheJansenist 1 year ago
@JonTheJansenist Being made in the image and likeness of God actually means something. It means that we are creators like him, we can love the good of "the other" which is a fundamental principle behind the creation of something. You have to want the good of the other for its own sake. Our ability to choose to love or not to love is where out free will comes in to play. God does not make that choice for us and God is not omniscient because he knows and thereofore determines what ...
havock89 1 year ago
@havock89 So because we are made in God's image and likeness, we are gifted with the capability of circumventing his will? Can you cite either a bible verse or a non-heretical early father of the church who taught this view of man's nature as a created being?
JonTheJansenist 1 year ago
@JonTheJansenist The whole bible is full of it. Eve picking to fruit from the tree of good and evil (the choice to become her own god in matters of her interior governing of morality.) is the clearest example.
Why would i cite a church father? That would be appealing to an authority you dont accept. These are not complicated issues here. they are a matter of common sense to those who have not been confused by the blind faith they have in their own moral godhood.
havock89 1 year ago
@havock89 You're speaking of man/woman BEFORE the fall, read Augustine's works again.
P.S. - I'm not an anti-historic Protestant, I'm a member of the Ultrajectine faith and affirm that Catholic faith of the first 1000 years (the true Catholic faith, not the false Roman sect.) I affirm the truth spoken by the church fathers insofar as they agree with God's revelation.
JonTheJansenist 1 year ago
@JonTheJansenist How convenient for you. That explains a lot.
havock89 1 year ago
@havock89 Indeed, now are you going to answer my question or run from it? You assert that the fathers have authority (I don't deny this). Do you actually know where that authority comes from and how it applies to the Catholic faith? And I'm looking for a real answer from an actual father or from the dogmas of the early councils, not from some apologetic approved by the Koran kissing apostates currently pretending to hold authority at the Vatican.
JonTheJansenist 1 year ago
@JonTheJansenist The authority of the church fathers or the authority of priest fathers? Anyway all authority comes from GOD. - Rome is the church that every other out of neccessity should agree with on account of it't preeminity authority -(paraphraze from Irenaeus) The seat of Peter has all authority to approve doctrin and dogma without a council. And his sole authority is reconized over the council at Chalcedon in the matter of the 28th cannon.
gtepp031387 1 year ago
@gtepp031387 It's preeminent authority does not exist when it is occupied by heretics, and Canon 29 deals with the issue of removing unworthy bishops from office (the pope is the bishop of Rome). Furthermore, Canon 28 grants equal authority to Constantinople (the papal legates were not even present at the council and Leo refused to ratify it) which was reaffirmed in the 36th canon. The papacy upheld their coequal standing with Constantinople by sending crusaders to sack and plunder it.
JonTheJansenist 1 year ago
@JonTheJansenist The 28th cannon was never accepted it was vitoed by the Pope here is the proof. Pope Leo refused to agree to this canon; and employing a kind of "line item veto," ordered it struck from the Council documents. In this, Bishop Anatolius of Constantinople writes to Pope Leo, apologizing and explaining how the canon came to be, saying ... "As for those things which the universal Council of Chalcedon recently ordained in favor of the church of Constantinople,...
gtepp031387 1 year ago
@JonTheJansenist who from my youth have always loved peace and quiet, keeping myself in humility. It was the most reverend clergy of the church of Constantinople who were eager about it, and they were equally supported by the most reverend priests of those parts, who agreed about it.EVEN SO, THE WHOLE CONFERMATION OF THE ACTS WAS RESERVED FOR THE AUTHORITY OF YOUR BLESSEDNESS. Therefore, let Your Holiness know for certain that I did nothing to further the matter,....
gtepp031387 1 year ago
@JonTheJansenist Listen here you vile little cretin, dont even begin to insult popes or I'll open up a can of whoopass on your backside, ok?
If you deny the teaching authority of the church, or doubt the pedigree and infallability of the church on teachings of faith and morals, you are a protestant. Each and every pope takes his place as a church father unless they have been declared anti-popes by the next. The Holy Spirit guides them on this matter as the divine redeemer willed it to be.
havock89 1 year ago
@havock89 knowing always that I held myself bound to avoid the lusts of pride and covetousness." -- Patriarch Anatolius of Constantinople to Pope Leo, Ep 132 (on the subject of canon 28 of Chalcedon).
gtepp031387 1 year ago
@havock89 So, the matter was settled; and, for the next 6 centuries, all Eastern churches speak of only 27 canons of Chalcedon -- the 28th Canon being rendered null and void by Rome's "line item veto." This is supported by all the Greek historians, such as Theodore the Lector (writing in 551 AD), John Skolastikas (writing in 550 AD), Dionysius Exegius (also around 550 AD); and by Roman Popes like Pope St. Gelasius (c. 495) and Pope Symmachus (c. 500) -- all speak of only 27 cannons at Chalcedon
gtepp031387 1 year ago
@gtepp031387 While a few early Patriarchs may have bowed to Leo's wishes, which I am well aware of, there are limits to papal authority and these canons exist now. If Rome is in an actual position to veto the will of councils ( which renders the pope an absolute tyrant and isn't supported by the gospel or the apostles ), it logically follows that the Magisterium can likewise null and void all the traditions of Christendom and embrace Semi-pelagianism, hence Vatican I, II and Trent.
JonTheJansenist 1 year ago
@JonTheJansenist As the head,chief,prince of the apostels,pillar of the faith,foundation of the Catholic church(all of which are titles given by ecumentical council to the Pope of Rome) decided,defined,and proclaimed to and for the whole church that pelagianism was correct it would be. The Pope is only limited and judged by GOD, not by any man or even council. That being said we are no semi-plegianist like the Orthodox are we believe grace is the only was to gain greater grace "grace for grace"
gtepp031387 1 year ago
@gtepp031387 To put it more plainly, the Roman Catholic Church is the Popish Catholic Church, rather than a Christian Church. This is precisely what this blasphemous claim you've made amounts to.
P.S. - Since Trent, Rome has accepted Molinism (Jesuit semi-Pelagianism) as a valid view of grace. You're even more semi-Pelagian than the Orthodox are, you actually get into a methodical way of explaining how you earn grace through works rather than grace working in you.
JonTheJansenist 1 year ago
@JonTheJansenist The church doesn't teach you can earn grace, can you find me one shred of evidence that says this? And i mean a Papel bull, not the writtings of some deceting bishop
gtepp031387 1 year ago
@JonTheJansenist It goes(in matters of authority) GOD, Mary, Pope, angels, Saints, bishops, priests, monks nones, lay person.
gtepp031387 1 year ago
@gtepp031387 Seriously Mary outranks the Pope and angels.
Even though there are very few verse if any that are quote mary in the bible.
badpanda84 3 weeks ago
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gtepp031387 3 weeks ago
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@badpanda84 1) Mary is the mother of the church, she is the greatest of all creatures that bore the living word, she is the ark of the covenate, and the queen who stands in heaven.
2) Mary and the Pope work together, the Pope is the temperal head of the church but he relies on the intercession and grace that flows from our blessed mother. Temporally the Pope has no equal in authority but in the divine church Marys authority is greater and the temperal must yield to the divine.
gtepp031387 3 weeks ago
@gtepp031387 Just out of interst -- can you name one case were Mary overruled a decision by the pope
badpanda84 3 weeks ago
@gtepp031387 and monks outrank nuns? isnt that a bit sexist
badpanda84 3 weeks ago
@badpanda84 If you looked at my post, though it was badly written I admit, I post nuns and monks in the same comma, meaning they each hold the same authority.
gtepp031387 3 weeks ago
@JonTheJansenist sry last sentance should read "grace is the only WAY to gain greater grace" which is supported by Augustine in his letter on grace and free will. He uses the exact passage in his writtings "grace for grace" (John 1:16)
gtepp031387 1 year ago
@JonTheJansenist And thoes cannos only exist in the mind of heritics they were dismissed and accepted as dismissed for 6 centuries in both the east and the west
gtepp031387 1 year ago
@gtepp031387 So the canons are only valid if they are older than other ones? If this is the case, the Chalcedonian Creed precedes the doctrine of transubstantiation, and yet you've allowed a contradictory doctrine to supersede an older and scripture-based dogma.
P.S. - What exactly is the final authority in Rome today anyway? Councils, Popes, or God's Word? I left Rome 3 years ago precisely because of such needless confusion.
JonTheJansenist 1 year ago
@JonTheJansenist Whe did i say that the cannos were not valid? A cannon matters not by which age that is silly. It matters whether or not it was approved by the See of Peter.
gtepp031387 1 year ago
@JonTheJansenist The pope has the power to veto anything he wants apart from dogma. That comes from God directly.
havock89 1 year ago
@havock89 Actually he can sidestep dogma even if he wants to, hence the Pelagian garbage that was Unigenitus and the persecution of the Augustinians in France who wouldn't welcome Alumbrados heretics under the leadership of Ignatius of Loyola and the support of the corrupt Medici family. The pope not only gets his power directly from God, he is actually standing in for God. This is why I've come to refer to him as "the man of perdition".
JonTheJansenist 1 year ago
@JonTheJansenist No he cant. That is a blatant lie that exposes how little you know about the faith. It begs the question - what do you think dogma is?
Dont dare refer to my pope as such or our conversation ends here. Keep your vile wickedness to yourself.
havock89 1 year ago
@havock89 sry last couple of posts were at Jon no you made a mistake
gtepp031387 1 year ago
@gtepp031387 Fair enough. God bless you and your family.
havock89 1 year ago
@havock89 So the Greek and Russian Orthodox Churches and the Diocese of Utrecht are protestant? This is in contradiction even with the statements of the last couple of popes. Furthermore, I will kindly refer you back to the many instances of John Paul II and a few others committing apostasy against Christ by kissing the Koran and praising pagan religions. If a spirit is guiding these acts, it surely is not The Holy Spirit, lest you wish to assert that the church fathers and bible are liars.
JonTheJansenist 1 year ago
@JonTheJansenist last sentance was done in plural it was only one cannon not cannos sry
gtepp031387 1 year ago
@JonTheJansenist That is not apostacy you utter idiot. lol
God would kiss anyone. God does not simply love, God is love. God loves all sinners.
You are nothing more than a modern day saducee. How sad for you that you dont even understand God's basic nature.
havock89 1 year ago
@havock89 Oh my, so your a Catholic hippie then I take it? Have you ever actually read any of the early church fathers and their views regarding paganism? Have you read the accounts of how the popes of the 8th century up until the 19th century viewed Islam? I will grant you that the Alumbrados heresy which ended up subjecting Europe to the tyranny of the Jesuits made Romanism more compatible with Islam on a doctrinal level, but having fellowship with those who deny the trinity? Just wow!!!
JonTheJansenist 1 year ago
@JonTheJansenist You just conflated gods nature with mans nature. Nice to see you are consistent in your inability to reason correctly.
I am not a hippy I deal with reality. the reality that theology is mankinds ordered attempt to understand special revelation, and that it moves forward to great understanding and allow for a greater closeness to Christ. You cant see the woods for the trees. The pope, which we owe obedience & respect, is not the true power in the chruch, the saints are.
havock89 1 year ago
@JonTheJansenist LOL "catholic hippie" I have never heard that phrase -- what exactly dose that mean -- is that a catholic who smokes weed and cant be bothered getting a job
badpanda84 3 weeks ago
@badpanda84 After reading your posts here, I will retract the "hippie" remark, radical feminist would be the appropriate words to describe the nonsense I'm seeing out of you right now.
"But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence." (1 Tim. 2:12)
JonTheJansenist 2 weeks ago
@JonTheJansenist For one this verse is dealing with matters inside the church, the church has allways affirmed that a woman can teach outside of the church, espeacially to other wemon and children. We see in the bible the office of deaconess, a practice that is still used in the eastern Christian churches to this day. For two I would not permit a man(of the flesh) to speak in the church either...only one in the spirit should speak and teach in the church.
gtepp031387 2 weeks ago
@gtepp031387 This wasn't the point of my post, and I agree with the points that you've made. However, just as you would not want a man of the flesh preaching from the pulpit (if this refers to a man who is married and has children, this is a sad testimony of Rome's attitude towards the revelation of the institution of marriage), I don't want a bold heretic who conflates Mary with the Holy Trinity preaching from the pulpit, and badpanda84 got dangerously close to doing that.
JonTheJansenist 1 week ago
@JonTheJansenist No it does not reffer to a married man,(I was reffering to one being with the spirit of truth and one not) the Catholic church has many married priest, it is only in the latin rite where celibacy is practised. Marriage is one of sacrements, and we hold it in a very high light....I am sry but some use this passage in a very unorthodox way, I was just explaining the depth of this passage as in a whole with the rest of the scripture.
gtepp031387 1 week ago
@gtepp031387 To my knowledge, unless something changed since 2007, the only members of the clergy who kept wives are converts from the Anglican, Swedish or Eastern Orthodox Churches. Furthermore, if marriage be a sacrament, then it contradicts that of monkish vows, which fall under the Holy Orders sacrament. Unfortunately one can not partake of all of God's blessed sacraments in Rome and are doomed to fall short, unless you have a Bull or Decree stating to the contrary.
JonTheJansenist 1 week ago
@JonTheJansenist Uhmm ever heard of any of our eastern rites?...The maronites, the melekites?....We have thousands of married priest, only in our Latin rite is celibacy practised...we have probley a dozen eastern rites and one Latin rite.
Marriage is a sacrement, monks and priest are both holy orders which are a seperate sacrement.
gtepp031387 1 week ago
@JonTheJansenist Marrige is a sacrement in both the EOC and the RCC by the way.
gtepp031387 1 week ago
@JonTheJansenist The maronites never broke from communion with the bishop of Rome, so they are not converts by the way, they are an original eastern rite(Antiochian) Catholic church.
gtepp031387 1 week ago
@JonTheJansenist cont... we will do before we do it. He is omniscience because he views all things simultaneously as part of his eternal present. There is no before or after with god only an eternal now. The choice is ours, by he knows what we will freely choose before we do it. not be cause its PRE-determined because that concept is a human one, but because he is ETERNALLY present when we make that choice.
havock89 1 year ago
@havock89 So you're a Molinist then? If that is the case, we have nothing further to discuss absent you fully recanting your theology.
JonTheJansenist 1 year ago
@JonTheJansenist
Of course GOD knows. It's WE who don't know. Are you saying you know what God knows when you call yourself saved? That's essentially what you should admit to.
pbaylis1 1 year ago
@pbaylis1 No, I'm asserting that the Roman Catholic Church is at odds with God's revealed Word, and also with the majority of the early fathers. I don't know where you make the leap that I have asserted any knowledge of God's eternal decree. You argue like a Jesuit, and if you are one, I'd be more concerned with mending your ways and becoming an actual Christian before you die.
JonTheJansenist 1 year ago
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If it's good enough for St Paul to work out his salvation with fear and trembling, then it's sure good enough for me.
pbaylis1 1 year ago
@pbaylis1 Are you certain that your fear and trembling is from saving faith and not from heresy? Paul's working out of salvation was not only profound, but extremely specific.
JonTheJansenist 1 year ago
@JonTheJansenist
There must be 2000 changes to the original bible since Luther decided he knew better than God. And you have the gall to say that WE are at odds with God's revealed word. But, even if we are wrong 90% of the time, we have authority and Christ's promise to bind in heaven whatever is bound by his anointed. You don't have that authority. Whatever you say can be taken or left. Christ's true church has taken on board whatever God chooses to reveal through protestants or whoever else.
pbaylis1 1 year ago
@pbaylis1 The fact that you can assert that "even if we were wrong..." with a clear conscience is sheer insanity. Furthermore, I care not for the slicers of scripture or the various radical reformers who have perverted things beyond all recognition, I'm here, one claimant to ancient Christendom to another, where is your claim that the pope can override a council or any other historic church decree? Where does it say that the Medici family has any connection with Saint Peter in succession?
JonTheJansenist 1 year ago
@JonTheJansenist and to better explain Saints in heaven have greater authority then angels, while saints, or holy ones, on earth do not.
gtepp031387 11 months ago
And it isn't WE who have abandoned Augustine. Do you believe in transubstantiation?
pbaylis1 1 year ago
@pbaylis1 I'm sorry, I didn't know that Augustine lived in the 11th-12th century. I believe in "THE REAL PRESENCE" of Christ at the Eucharist, but transubstantiation is a later doctrine that is not agreed to by all ancient churches, therefore it is not binding, nor was it ratified by a valid ecumenical council.
JonTheJansenist 1 year ago
Thank you Joe for always standing on the truth!!!
missingjim 2 years ago
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@missingjim woe to u so called christians! woe to u, u do not believe in God for if u did u would believe in the one he sent! woe to u who do not not acknowledge the authority of God given to peter and his sucssesores! woe to u who do not understand u can not enter throught the gate of heaven, for it is locked, without the keys iv placed on the seat of peter! woe to u if u believed in God u would trust his judgment and listen to the one he gave authority to teach!
gtepp031387 1 year ago