No one can emulate Adi Shankara Bhagavatpadal. We can adore, respect and follow him with our limited intellect and sensory capacity. Advaita Vedanta is the Science of all Sciences. Atma Vidya is not available by reading through books. Only by Vichara it is obtained. Bhakti can lead to Chitta Suddhi leading to Vichara stage.After that it is our own path into Brahman
again to ramans comment... Sankara should oblige if a woman solicits his body for sex.....shankara never told that anyone can do anything with thier body....HERE SHANKARA AGREED TO KAPALIKA TO GIVE AWAY HIS BODY ONLY TO TEACH HIM THAT ONE WHO BELIVES IN SUCH THINGS...(sacrifices)...WILL CERTAINLY WILL BE PUNISHED....and hence kapalika was killed by the lion...that is why he tells ....i asked for your body instead i gave away mine...and so one who harms others will be punished for the same
ramans...what are u talking??....see had if shankara had told to kapalika to get lost it would only mean that SHANKARA IS AFRAID OF DEATH...but shankara (as told in this movie in part 16) that he reached the supreme state and now is ready to accept death...so he could not deny to give his body....another reason is that if at all shankara denied to give his body THEN IT WOULD MEAN THAT HE WAS ATTACHED TO HIS BODY....I AND BODY....
2) i dnt undestand why they use.Animal skin while sitting / sleeping can any one plz inform me... As Ahimsa is paap right??
3) our family is from south india & they do all this about Sacrificing Animal to our Family " Daiva" / kola etc... idont agree with them.. but its family tradition etc... & im not sure wht should i do.. can any one give suggestion or clear me the tradition... plzzz (i dnt know if i shd ask it here .. but i really need help)
Hi preeana I am no master or guru to give any authentic reply but from what I read and think there r 2 points I wud say
1)Animal skin is best suited to increase the concentration levels while meditating, skin of Tiger is best followed by that of deer. After that the aasana made from 'Darbha'-a kind of grass is better and then the one made from cloth.But we never sit on bare earth as its good conductor and takes away all the good vibrations developed in us as result of intense meditation..contd..
@preeana one should obtain animal skin for meditation purposes only through a GURU, so there is no room for ahimsa ( killing animal to get skin for tapasya )
it is good to see your willingness to challenge traditions which are futile.
1. As someone above mentioned, they only take skin from dead animals and not kill them. The reason for using skin of a tiger or a deer is that while an ascetic does his sadhana in the forest, the skin ensures that insects and snakes don't crawl up on his body and disturb him. Scientific reason is that skin of these animals gives out certain chemical fumes which repel insects and reptiles.
2. Animal sacrifice is indeed paapa karma. If you can, oppose it. No vedic scripture talks about doing animal/human sacrifice, not even Samkhyavada, inclusive of all the Tantras. The problem lies in misinterpretation and is not about scriptural fallacy. Shastras are 'shaashvata', 'apaurushiya' and 'paramasatya'. For example, a common misunderstanding is a ritual 'gaumedha'. Some people interpret this as animal/cow sacrifice. However, 'gau' here refers to our senses and not cow
It really means sacrificing our physical senses. On the physical plane, its a ritual where oblations are made to the holy fire. On a more transcendental plane, one can interpret this as sacrificing the physical senses/indriya into the holy fire of 'prana' (prana-agni). This means turning our outward senses inwards and controlling them to attain 'samyaka'. I hope this clarifies your doubts. Whatever you do, don't take what is told to you at face value. Challenge and question everything
shankara is right in telling him that he would give his body.if shankara hadnt done so then it would be contrary to his teaching of unattachment of body from soul....HOWEVER THIS DOES NOT MEAN THAT OFFERING LIVING BEINGS(ANIMAL OR HUMAN)...THIS WAS NOT NOT THE INTENTION OF SHANKARA.....the intention was that whoever harm others will be punished either in this life or in the next life....
With all due respect I disagree. The body is an inferior reality and unattachment to it was defnitely his teaching. But he did not teach that one could do anything with the body just because it is a lesser reality. If that is acceptable, then Sankara should oblige if a woman solicits his body for sex (Saying this just for argument sake). Sankara reinterprets the Vedhas to stop animal sacrifice. Human Sacrifice is worse. How is the body of Sankara an exception?
When a sannyasi such as Adi Sankara uses the word "I", know what it is only being used to convey the thought in a manner a lay person would grasp it. There is a difference between him saying "I" and common people like us saying "I". When we say "my body", we have a strong attachment to our body. When Adi Sankara says "my body", he is simply referring to the body which his soul has chosen in this life. It only has a utility value, nothing more nothing less.
noo...sankara is not wrong...actually the lion who killed shankara is padmapada....padmapada realises that his guru will be killed even when he was sleeping.he takes the form of narasimha...and kills the person.after this shankara composes the narasimha stuti to bring down the extreme anger of padmapada.
Now, would'nt stretching that argument lead to the Sramana position of death by self-starvation? That's the beauty of the Advaitic position, I think. Goes to the edge, but doesn't tip over!
Hmm...I do not accept that. This is merely a test of Sankara's faith in his own teaching...If his body is of no consequence to the everlasting Atman, he should have no qualms about accepting Death in whichever form it takes. Letting himself be sacrificed by the Kapalika would merely be consistent with what his teaching is.
In the story of Jesus, Satan provokes Jesus by asking him to jump from the top of a hill, so that the angels will come and catch him as he falls and he can prove his divinity. Jesus plainly tells him to get lost.
Well all Abrahamic religions have a concept of Satan and they believe evil can win over good, if invited!
But in Vedic Hinduism, there is no concept of evil. Everything good or bad happens based on your karma! Shankara din't have any choice if he had to justify its teaching. But ultimately he got saved because of his good karma and kapalika's bad karma!
I don't agree with Sankara here. He should have told Kapalika to get lost. Instead he allows himself to be sacrificed, but the Goddess Kali intervenes in his favor. Sacrificing one human for another's gain is always bad. If Sankara says it is wrong for anyone else to do this but I will allow this to happen to myself, he is accepting the indvidual identity and succumbing to provocation.
No one can emulate Adi Shankara Bhagavatpadal. We can adore, respect and follow him with our limited intellect and sensory capacity. Advaita Vedanta is the Science of all Sciences. Atma Vidya is not available by reading through books. Only by Vichara it is obtained. Bhakti can lead to Chitta Suddhi leading to Vichara stage.After that it is our own path into Brahman
ajayjeev 10 months ago
@ramans11 : who are we small mortals to comment the acts of Adi shankara himself ….heis the incarnation of the Rudra himself….
saivishnubhatla 11 months ago
yathra means travelling to a destination in sanskrit. medina is called yathrib, coincidence? or perhaps not.
xXBlackxRebelXx 1 year ago
again to ramans comment... Sankara should oblige if a woman solicits his body for sex.....shankara never told that anyone can do anything with thier body....HERE SHANKARA AGREED TO KAPALIKA TO GIVE AWAY HIS BODY ONLY TO TEACH HIM THAT ONE WHO BELIVES IN SUCH THINGS...(sacrifices)...WILL CERTAINLY WILL BE PUNISHED....and hence kapalika was killed by the lion...that is why he tells ....i asked for your body instead i gave away mine...and so one who harms others will be punished for the same
baramma 2 years ago
ramans...what are u talking??....see had if shankara had told to kapalika to get lost it would only mean that SHANKARA IS AFRAID OF DEATH...but shankara (as told in this movie in part 16) that he reached the supreme state and now is ready to accept death...so he could not deny to give his body....another reason is that if at all shankara denied to give his body THEN IT WOULD MEAN THAT HE WAS ATTACHED TO HIS BODY....I AND BODY....
baramma 2 years ago
hii 1)st of all want 2 thnx for this video
2) i dnt undestand why they use.Animal skin while sitting / sleeping can any one plz inform me... As Ahimsa is paap right??
3) our family is from south india & they do all this about Sacrificing Animal to our Family " Daiva" / kola etc... idont agree with them.. but its family tradition etc... & im not sure wht should i do.. can any one give suggestion or clear me the tradition... plzzz (i dnt know if i shd ask it here .. but i really need help)
preeana 2 years ago
Hi preeana I am no master or guru to give any authentic reply but from what I read and think there r 2 points I wud say
1)Animal skin is best suited to increase the concentration levels while meditating, skin of Tiger is best followed by that of deer. After that the aasana made from 'Darbha'-a kind of grass is better and then the one made from cloth.But we never sit on bare earth as its good conductor and takes away all the good vibrations developed in us as result of intense meditation..contd..
rajas2h 1 year ago
2)And yes killing is Hinsa , and just to meditate one doesn't kills. But the thing is to find a dead animal to get his skin.
3)As for sacrificing animals to GOD I too think its not good .Maybe someone wud clear up this point.
rajas2h 1 year ago
@preeana one should obtain animal skin for meditation purposes only through a GURU, so there is no room for ahimsa ( killing animal to get skin for tapasya )
zenmonk82 1 year ago
@preeana
it is good to see your willingness to challenge traditions which are futile.
1. As someone above mentioned, they only take skin from dead animals and not kill them. The reason for using skin of a tiger or a deer is that while an ascetic does his sadhana in the forest, the skin ensures that insects and snakes don't crawl up on his body and disturb him. Scientific reason is that skin of these animals gives out certain chemical fumes which repel insects and reptiles.
krohit99 1 year ago
@preeana
2. Animal sacrifice is indeed paapa karma. If you can, oppose it. No vedic scripture talks about doing animal/human sacrifice, not even Samkhyavada, inclusive of all the Tantras. The problem lies in misinterpretation and is not about scriptural fallacy. Shastras are 'shaashvata', 'apaurushiya' and 'paramasatya'. For example, a common misunderstanding is a ritual 'gaumedha'. Some people interpret this as animal/cow sacrifice. However, 'gau' here refers to our senses and not cow
cont..
krohit99 1 year ago
@preeana
It really means sacrificing our physical senses. On the physical plane, its a ritual where oblations are made to the holy fire. On a more transcendental plane, one can interpret this as sacrificing the physical senses/indriya into the holy fire of 'prana' (prana-agni). This means turning our outward senses inwards and controlling them to attain 'samyaka'. I hope this clarifies your doubts. Whatever you do, don't take what is told to you at face value. Challenge and question everything
krohit99 1 year ago
shankara is right in telling him that he would give his body.if shankara hadnt done so then it would be contrary to his teaching of unattachment of body from soul....HOWEVER THIS DOES NOT MEAN THAT OFFERING LIVING BEINGS(ANIMAL OR HUMAN)...THIS WAS NOT NOT THE INTENTION OF SHANKARA.....the intention was that whoever harm others will be punished either in this life or in the next life....
baramma 2 years ago
With all due respect I disagree. The body is an inferior reality and unattachment to it was defnitely his teaching. But he did not teach that one could do anything with the body just because it is a lesser reality. If that is acceptable, then Sankara should oblige if a woman solicits his body for sex (Saying this just for argument sake). Sankara reinterprets the Vedhas to stop animal sacrifice. Human Sacrifice is worse. How is the body of Sankara an exception?
ramans11 2 years ago
If Sankara says "My body is an exception to human sacrifice", isn't he associating his 'I' with the Body?
ramans11 2 years ago
@ramans11
When a sannyasi such as Adi Sankara uses the word "I", know what it is only being used to convey the thought in a manner a lay person would grasp it. There is a difference between him saying "I" and common people like us saying "I". When we say "my body", we have a strong attachment to our body. When Adi Sankara says "my body", he is simply referring to the body which his soul has chosen in this life. It only has a utility value, nothing more nothing less.
krohit99 1 year ago
From the speech of sankara "We the bubule of Ocean like we r the bubul of water nothing more and that is why we have no free will as u mentioned
greatProphet1 2 years ago
noo...sankara is not wrong...actually the lion who killed shankara is padmapada....padmapada realises that his guru will be killed even when he was sleeping.he takes the form of narasimha...and kills the person.after this shankara composes the narasimha stuti to bring down the extreme anger of padmapada.
baramma 2 years ago
Now, would'nt stretching that argument lead to the Sramana position of death by self-starvation? That's the beauty of the Advaitic position, I think. Goes to the edge, but doesn't tip over!
surenc 2 years ago
hmm.. Please read my response to baramma..
ramans11 2 years ago
Hmm...I do not accept that. This is merely a test of Sankara's faith in his own teaching...If his body is of no consequence to the everlasting Atman, he should have no qualms about accepting Death in whichever form it takes. Letting himself be sacrificed by the Kapalika would merely be consistent with what his teaching is.
surenc 2 years ago
In the story of Jesus, Satan provokes Jesus by asking him to jump from the top of a hill, so that the angels will come and catch him as he falls and he can prove his divinity. Jesus plainly tells him to get lost.
ramans11 2 years ago
Well all Abrahamic religions have a concept of Satan and they believe evil can win over good, if invited!
But in Vedic Hinduism, there is no concept of evil. Everything good or bad happens based on your karma! Shankara din't have any choice if he had to justify its teaching. But ultimately he got saved because of his good karma and kapalika's bad karma!
chickenflu4 2 years ago
I don't agree with Sankara here. He should have told Kapalika to get lost. Instead he allows himself to be sacrificed, but the Goddess Kali intervenes in his favor. Sacrificing one human for another's gain is always bad. If Sankara says it is wrong for anyone else to do this but I will allow this to happen to myself, he is accepting the indvidual identity and succumbing to provocation.
ramans11 2 years ago