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  • true but it is less then 25% efficient only a small portion if the Fuel is converted into reciprocating motion the rest is lost to heat and friction.

    HHO only Up's this to 40% to 50% this is why you get better performance from Propane and HHO the Engine wastes Heat Vaporizing the fuel

    A Sterling engine is 70% to 80% efficient because one cylinder is always Hot and one is always cold.

  • tell me how does a 1 cylinder then work? if you need 4 cylinders to drive the compression of each other?... o.o uhm do a search on "Stoichiometry" it might help you :) uhm and that sandwich engine, is called a Boxer engine :)

  • I am not sure if you do this but if you run an engine on HHO only then you actually should ignite the gas at the bottom of the stroke. When all of the gas turns into a little water it will form a huge vacuum and suck the piston back up, I built some rockets and experience the problem of them collapsing when run on pure HHO.

  • @watup110875 don't y'all stop and think for a second if this happens then won't this use up our drinking water and that said this is no better than the oil

  • Dear scientists & mechanical engineers... do a search for this NASA document 19770016170_1977016170.pdf The thing is that injecting HHO at proper proportions not only adds the combustion power of the HHO, but it actually makes the gasoline combustion more efficient as well.

  • jets use kerosene/diesel to run, and that type of fuel evaporates and burns in a state of evaporation and has a low burning point, a better and cleaner alternative for jet engines would be peanut oil or veggie oil, also theres alot of single piston, 4 stroke engines that run smoothly, all it needs is 1 piston to run, so what powers the compression? as the engine rotates it has a counter balance on the crank to help swing the crank and push the piston up, rotational inertia, read more buddy.

  • Please rehearse before posting, i cant understand anything...nice graphics though

  • Don't waste your time and money with HHO. I had 3 HHO cells and ran them for 9 moths and covered 11000 miles. There is NO repeat NO increase in MPG. Yes, HHO is explosive but you need HUGE amounts to make a difference. I produced 2 litres a minute. That made absolutely no difference to the fuel economy. I was meticulous with my records. I tried and it is a waste of time.

  • the thing is, how many litters of hho do we need to be efficient?

    1L per minute of hho, I thnk it is not enough to improve the combustion.

    4-5L per minute, it may be the correct quantity of hho ?

  • One-up. Why run your car on water, (or explosive HHO) when you can run it on air instead? check out the MDI air car

  • The 4 strokes of this engine are ~ 1/Compression ~ 2/ ignition ~ 3/ power ~ 4/ exhaust, interesting video, & well made guy.

    Thom in Scotland.

  • @fuelban Doesn't an engine need an intake stroke to get fuel into the combustion chamber? ;) (Ignition isn't a stroke; It's an event that happens near the top of the compression stroke.) 1. Intake - draws fuel/air mix into cylinder through the intake valve. 2. Compression - squeezes fuel/air mix into tiny space 3. Combustion - ignited fuel/air rapidly expands, providing the energy to push the piston 4. Exhaust - spent fuel is exhausted through the exhaust valve.

  • @subsonykexorcist Yes indeed, you have just susses fully described a 4 stroke engine, 1/ intake. 2/ compression/ 3/ power . 4/ exhaust. a 4 stroke engine, its been so long since i looked at it in this way again, thanks.

    Thom.

  • @subsonykexorcist Yes an intake stroke can be described as as a suction , sucking air in / ignition is part of the 4 strokes of the cycle of a 4 stoke engine, and described as such......an event does not occur in the engine cycles, it occurs in the action, IE, the drive is the event of the action, compression is the squeezing you describe, the rest you seem fine to comprehend, YOU GOT IT, pass it on. HHO can & never will run an engine, it will assist, but only assist. ( pass that on 2}

    Thom.

  • how many lpm i'll need to run 3,5 v6?

  • And if you stick a pig in a trebuchet, it'll fly.

  • problem is stan meyer was not just running the car on hho.

    HHO was the igniter to heat water to steam.

    if steam becomes hot enough it also will separate and ignite.

    you guys need to read the work.

  • what did you make this model in?

  • hey just went to how stuff works . com

  • "The abolishment of pain in surgery is a chimera. It is absurd to go on seeking it...knife and pain are two words in surgery that must forever be associated in the consciousness of the patient."

    Dr. Alfred Velpeau, French surgeon ; 1839.

  • I definatly don't know for sure, but I would never be so stupid to have a preconceived opinion about technology which I know nothing about. Which I'm sure is the case with you.

    Since we're throwing quotes around,..

    "It is only charlatans who are certain. Doubt is not a very agreeable state, but certainty is a ridiculous one."

    - Voltaire

  • We can get even more technical if you'd like... I'm a Mechanical Engineer so I know allmost everything there is to IC engines... Since You write "I definatly don't know for sure", you clearly don't know the basics off physics... So what's your basis for writing that I have a preconceived opinion about technology which I know nothing about...

  • By the way, thank you mikeyidn for posting the video. We are currently developing hydrogen powered jet engines with an ultra-efficient multi-stage HHO extraction process. So far, through accurate computer simulations involving various techniques including CFD, FEA, MCAD/ECAD etc. we are able to determine the possibility of constructing mini-jet engines with enough thrust and power equivalent to or better than the Rotax 912LS. The fuel is water and the engine also serves as a AC generator

  • You fail at thermodynamics.

  • @Anonymous092563 What do you mean? I wonder what the hell is wrong with people like you who just blurt out nonsense blah blah. You talk of the law of thermodynamics like its the only principle in an ICE. Much of the fuel savings when using hydroxy come from less pressure build-up FROM when fuel is ignited to when piston is at TDC (top dead center). But i bet you don't have a clue to what a just said, and all thats going around in your "brain" is "thermodynamics" parrot mode. You fail at life.

  • My nonsense means converting energy results in heat loss. Making HHO at a large scale is very expensive and wasteful. Your "You fail at life" comment doesn't make you any more credible than me.

  • Firstly; HHO causes a complete burn of fuel in the chamber. The fuel air/fuel also mixture burns faster allowing a more powerful stroke. This results in much lower emissions, more torque, better ,milage and less carbon deposits in your engine. Learn about ignition and piston travel before you pretend to know what your talkin about. people firmly belived the earth was flat, and killed those who didn't. I'm pretty sure this is the same situation we got here. Who knows what can be done?

  • 95% of all electricity comes from fossil fuels. BTW you need electricity to even obtain HHO. Unless you've invented some breakthrough energy source like a "mr. fusion" or an insanely absorbent solar panel, you will be burning fossil fuel, whether you like it or not. That's why petroleum engines ARE the best way to run a car.

    You didn't think pouring hydrogen in cars would be that easy did you?

  • HHO is only good for welding and rockets. Burning it in cars isn't cost effective and its not very efficient.

  • Something iw ould like to point out is that gas (air and fuel) drawn in by te engine is not only dependant on the soze of the engine, but also throttle position/ manifold vaccum level. The engine does not breathe full diaplcement every cycle, it breaths a fraction of displacement vs manifold vaccum. I worked out a long time ago that 6L/Min should be enough to idle a 3.L motor provided hho can procude the same mechanical energy as petrol can at ignition (which is doesnt) but its good to know

  • Gasoline and diesel fuel burn in the combustion chamber, Hydrogen detonates, there-in lies the problem. A much larger volume of hydrogen is needed to produce a detonation as large as the equivalent to the slow burn of petroleum fuels.

    A reciprocating piston engine was designed to utilize this slow burn. Hydrogen is an inappropriate fuel for an engine developed and designed to use petroleum.

  • Hydrogen combustion operates at really high temperatures, highly exothermic. Becuase of this hydrogen combustion can still release alot of nitrous oxides in the are which could cause acid rain, nitic acid. That a problem that still must be overcome. The hydrogen enigine is more efficient at higher temperatures. you trade emissions for performance. I hope one day we can figure something out.

  • Nice job, you explain how and engine works, why is it so hard for people to understand ?

  • You need to learn the basics of physics before you try to upset the oil companies!

    HHO driven cars, airplanes or whatever is a hoax....

  • well technically its not... with enough hydrogen and a little adjustment to your ignition coil, you can run a car. but if you meant that you cant run a car directly from using electricity to run a HHO generator then run the engine then yes i agree with you.

    BUT com an check out my vids about how electrolysis works!

  • You really think so smart-ass? 1806 - François Isaac de Rivaz was a Swiss inventor, credited with inventing and constructing the first successful engine in 1806. The engine was powered by a mixture of hydrogen and oxygen, produced by on-board electrolysis of water. A year later, he built one of the first automobiles for his new engine to power. Check it out on wikipedia.

  • Offcourse you can power a car using hydrogen and oxygen in gas phase, The hoax part is that splitting water by electrolysis uses more energy than that gained in an internal combustion engine. ie. You can't have a car run by electrolysis only.

    But what to expect from most youtube users

    "Ignorance is bliss" - Thomas Gray (1742)

  • @KKahle

    So what you think about François Isaac de Rivaz & Stanley Meyer? How do you dispell/dismiss that?

  • @KKahle the physics is simple to me>>>the ignition of gasoline in the cylinders causes the pistons to move down>>>the ignition of hydrogen DOES THE SAME THING>>>but I definitely disagree with upsetting the elephant in the room.

  • thake this video off, spastic

  • Well you learn how to spell I might think about it.

  • thats the best comeback you have.. huh, sounds like your accept the fact. poorly made video

  • he knows how to spell, he's just being an ass; lol

  • your are a fuck-tard, learn your shit better before you talk about it

  • Previous comment directed at MECAGOENTOD.

  • from 06:19 priceless!

    dude has the knowledge lol

  • Than you, I'm a girl and I need to catch up with you guys in figuring out how engines work. Thanks again for the demo.

  • people say: "If it works with electricity or hydrogen (that uses H2O and electricity) it's clean"

    I say: Find out about the ways that your contry power stations creates elecrtricity!!!

    In the most of contries a 90% of it is nuclear & fuel. That you dont see the smoke doesnt mean that it doesnt exist.

    A new "normal" engine produces less CO2 than those power stations to make the hydrogen for all the cars. Think about it.

  • You are an idiot. The hydrogen is derived from water. Think about that....

  • you're stupid plus nuclear power creates no smoke...only steam

  • nuclear power is fission where a neutron cause other atoms to decay and re- react to make free photon energy.

    the steam is water that was boiled from fission to create steam pressure to turn the turbines.

    look it up on google there is a demostration of how it works

  • Yelladogen.. and Magganrchy are morons that don't even try to understand what Mecagoentod says.

  • like japanies carr... now..

  • has anyone made their car run on pure hho? what web site has it? is it legal?

    why do people say "run your car on water" when they are not running it on water, but running it on gasoline and adding hho to the air intake?

  • The only thing people are doing in progress with fueling HHO in a vehicle is an extreme amount of fuel efficacy. I believe that a new engine design made for burning halogen will use little or no fossil fuel.

  • ummmm, study up on chem a bit.

    halogens are stable, they do not combine. Look at any periodic table, the halogens are the column on the far right. Its stuff like argon, thats the stuff that used for a welding sheild-gas since it is basicaly as inert as it gets even at 1000's of degreees.

    Yes cars do run on hydrogen, no one can dipsute that, what is disputed is simple that it takes less energy to run a car this way.

  • @mikeyidh already being done. enough hydrogen = you can run any combustion engine on it. the only change needed is changing the timing to 3 degrees backward, because hho explodes faster then gasoline. the dif. is hydrogen explodes and gasoline ony explodes when its compressed. And the simple fact is, you actually need 10x LESS.... 3 litre engine = 3 litre of gasoline.....but it only = .3 litres of hho (brown's gas)

  • I tried some experiments about running my car on HHO+gas with any doubt I can say that the engine get power with it! (Hydrogen is explosive, Oxigen is needed for burning, explosion in this situation)

    The problem is that you need much energy to split water in HHO.

    Im shure that a car would run on pure HHO but you need a tank full of it, the mixture of HHO and gas is meant to make a car more efficient and burn less fuel, I didnt achieve that (more losses than benefits) but I will try again...

  • @ed6ontube go to media dot ford dot com and search for 20332.

  • If you split water into Browns Gas (HHO) you have the perfect gas micture for combustion - it recombines to give pure water exhaust. Trouble with Browns Gas it is very volatile and very hard to store safely - it doesn't explode, it implodes, since water takes up much less volume than the gas mixture.

  • imbecil

  • Go to the following utube video to see how hho to run an engine is a scam! "HHO Mythbusters Explained"

  • So, I'm assuming that the water somehow(how?)is converted into hydrogen gas before it enters the cylinder, is that right? Also, just how combustable is hydrogen gas? In addition, is there a specific fuel(fuel being hydrogen)air ratio needed to run the engine? If so, how do you do that?

  • Yeow, so that's how it works? I'm on it!!

  • amen to that mike

  • 5:30 its a V6!! that what i would have called it anyway...not a 3ltr

  • 6:10 is a boxer engine.... why dont u learn the name of the egines before you try too learn how them work...

  • Norwegian Petroleum Directorate estimates that the undiscovered resources alone amounts to 7.3 billion barrels of oil.

  • You forgot one very important thing, that is the job of the flywheel, for no engine will work without one.

    Now when someone says hho gas wont help or work ask them what is the job of a blower? It's job is to pull in more air looking for oxygen, and the result is a more efficent engine even though it takes some HP to run the blower. Now an hho device will put in oxygen, doing the same thing as a blower. This will result into an always learn burn of hydrogen, so add in water mist to cool it.

  • Oh, c'mon...get off you ass!! Your graphics get you an A! If Hydrogen can make an engine peform better than AIR...then produce a mechanism that produces pure hydrogen instead of air. If you can produce hydrogen going into that piston which is more energetic than air...then you have something.

    I really love your graphics...but all you have proven is that you really know the basics of the four-stroke and how air powers an engine.

  • Yea I know the vid sux. But It can give a person an Idea of how the hydrogen can be place in the 3 types of engines. But I found some flaws with using hydrogen as a fuel in a reciprocating engine. Since hydrogen burns four times hotter than gasoline the pistons will eventually will get warped and it could cause an explosion becuase the pistons can only hanled like 300 or 600F. But I did my homework and found a solution.

  • @OmarThePug he's trying to compare gasoline with hydrogen, actually, its called Brown's gas, 2 parts hydrogen 1 part oxygen. one problem though... he fergot to note Hydrogen is an atomic chemical, if you compare it to gasoline.. then read Albert Einsteins find, 30 grams of water has the potetial energy output of 30 MILLION GALLONS of gasoline. This guy has no clue, I build engines, I also build hho generators and run my engines completely off brown's gas. hydrogen in a turbine is not possible

  • @Me102288 you do understand what "brown's gas" is right? HHO... H2O. water. water does not burn. the electrolysis splits the hydrogen and oxygen to form H2 and O2. hydrogen and oxygen. HHO, is water.

  • @jeforton yep, I'm running a generator on it, currently supply'ing power for my fridge an emergency lights. HHO is slit from water... H2O is water. Or if you really want to get technical, HHO is a nickname everyone use's instead of 2h1o.

  • @jeforton no browns GAS is not h2o in the gas form, only the liquid form. Electrolysis breaks the bond and the 2 are apart hence 2 parts of hydrogen gas and 1 part of oxygen. Its no longer liquid.

    Anyway, much like concrete, dirt, stone, and cement = concrete.. but none of them are concrete on there own so to speak.. lol

  • @Me102288

    I think he meant in relation to his E = mc² formula. If you could convert any substance (water, chocolate, bullsh*t, anything) into energy then yes, you'd get a huge amount of energy since mass and energy are basically the same thing.

  • @TK42138 ? Energy = Mass x the coeffecient of velecity = the energy of a mass moving at a velocity :-o

    I Was talking about the actual fact its not based o energy given out in litre's of water. it was a calculation that water is not just energy like gasoline, but reuseable he was comparing the fact one drop of water could potentially put out billions of times more. you cant destroy energy...we burn hydrogen.. it exaust water.. how is that? we burned the hydrogen.. water is h2o.. :-o infinite.

  • @Me102288

    Good point.

  • snooozaroonie... just the facts, i gotta lot of ground to cover =o)

  • So you have a Fuel to air ratio of 3 liters of air to 1600 liters of air that means that the concentration of hydrogen in the mix would be 0.18%. Hydrogens Lower explosive limit is 4%

    In order for 3 liters of Hydrogen to be enough to run a 1.6 liter engine it would only be able to be turning 75 rpm and that is at the leanest it could possibly ignite.

    Also jet fuel is less explosive than gas because it is just high grade Kerosene. I used to pump barge loads of it.

  • 3 liters of air to 1600 liters of air ? what..

  • 3liters of HHO/minute at what pressure? 1 atmosphere?

  • Open atmosphere. But I believe that by inserting the hho valve before a turbo charger you can run the car with less HHO but when the butterfly valve is closed the car wont idle it will die. By compessing the hydrogen you may get more power. There's lots of potential working ideas i never put to work but since I have more time on my hands now I will catch up with the big guys.

  • i love the idea of the fuel compression, seems BMW and honda do too ^_^

  • zzzzzzzzzzzz sorry interesting educational and could we plese have you drink a redbull to pep your self up and up the pace. Watch Top Gear and learn how they pace them self.

  • Thanks for a real educational vid.

  • I'm sorry I could not finish your video I didn't know you could make a subject I find so interesting so boring I really tried to finish it but I dosed off twice

  • dude... nice topic and all, and i do agree with you that hydrogen is the better option, but you've got to find a more...er... exciting way to present the topic. no offence but you make it amazingly boring.

    keep up the work, and hopefully it will go from just work, to good work.

    peace:P

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