A lot of blacks are more conservative than the media portrays them, especially in the black churches. But blacks cling to the Democratic party because of the work of Democrats like JFK and Lyndon Johnson to help further the movement, and further work on affirmative action, and aid to the poor and so on. But the Tea Party and Republicans offer NOTHING to make blackS see things another way, except maybe a lot of black don't what they is see is happening to the black community as a whole.
Let's examine the Tea party's ideal of Return Political power to the States. We are in the UNITED States. Like ever company model, the power, operations, rules and regulations come from the top, right? So why, conveniently when a black man is president might I add, are they so adament about moving power from the Federal level back to the States? Kinda defies the concept of ONE nation. And by the way, the toughest protection from discrimination is at the federal level. Too convienient, is it?
There are few black in the Tea Party because its ideals are not in their best interests. LIMITED GOVERNMENT= no more unemployment, checks, food stamps, disability; INDIVIDUAL FREEDOM= free expression and execution of racially devisive comments & actions; PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY= your not being rich is ALL your fault; FREE MARKETS= the rich get richer at anyone's expense with no restrictions; RETURN POLITICAL POWER TO STATES= fed.laws on discrimination & employment can be ignored.
The Tea Party activists try to claim that racism is not a part of their movement. But does it bother you that the practically never deny it, condemn it or try to separate themselves from it. Instead only state they don't condone it when being challenged about it, and barely do that. But keep in mind their ideals work against poorer people, especially in this economy. And of course poverty and unemployment is highest in the black community. Convenient truth?
@Krystoff04111 Obviously you weren't listening to a damn thing I said. I said nothing about it being racist because its mostly white people. I said there are FRINGE elements within the Tea Party that ARE racist and for the most part I hadn't seen much effort to separate those elements from the movement. So many of you are in such a hurry to be offended that you don't even listen.
So, the Tea Party is looked at as racist because they are mostly white? Ok... Ok...
So was the Million Man March racist? Should whites have protested that? Should we blast the Puerto Rican parade? Come on, man! There aren't more black people at these rallies for the same reason I ate lunch by myself in high school - many would feel uncomfortable being around so many people not like them self. That makes the black people not there the racists. Not the white people that are there.
How about making a video urging black people to join the Tea Party. Maybe you need to study the BC and not just take the word of the day as fact. There has never been a president that has taken control of the finacial entity, the automobile industry and the healthcare market.
The vast majority of people in the Tea Party are white? Hmm maybe because 90% of blacks voted for Obama and they don't want to go against him. You know there are certain black people that voted Obama only because he was black.
@ThePelicans44 The amount of black folks that voted for Obama because he's "black" are about as equal as the amount of white folks that DIDN'T vote for him because he's "Black" It's amazing how people tend to hear what they want to as opposed to actually LISTENING to what's being said. This video was about how the TEA PARTY COULD SHED THE RACIST STEREOTYPES ABOUT THE MOVEMENT! But so many of you are butt hurt at the truth you don't bother to listen.
@SpannTV No You are a racist! You need to come out and shed the racist stereotypes about you. You can't prove that you are not a racist. Everybody thinks you are a racist. You need to come out and shed those stereotypes. And don't be butt hurt about the truth.
@ThePelicans44 You are an idiot, You need to come out and shed the idiotic sterotypes about you. You can't prove you're NOT an idiot. Everybody thinks your an idiot. You need to come out and shed those stereotypes. And don't be butt hurt about the truth of the fact that you are a FUCKING IDIOT. Now beat it clown.
Did you ever think there aren't more black people at the Tea Party because we just elected the 1st Black President???????? The Tea Party started under the BUSH to big to fail bailouts, they have grown because of governments inability to exist within a budget!!! I Regret voting for Obama, McCain was not a choice, Ron Paul would have been better!
@flyboymd82 spoken like a true clown!!! LMFAO first of all Lincoln said that he would free slaves if he could save the union!!!!!!!!!!! or he would not free the slaves if it would save the union get your info right dude
FYI, the Tea Party started back in 2007, at that time FOX News was going against us. You didn't hear about us until Obama became President because that is when FOX News created the "Tea Party Express." That's not the Tea Party.
If anyone wants to discuss the Republicans on civil rights, I have two words for you: Hurricane Katrina. Republicans left hundreds, if not thousands, of blacks and poor whites to die. Also, civil rights has never been a party issue. It's an ideological issue. However, if you want to talk about Republican civil rights, I have two more words for you: Strohm Thurmond.
You really should try looking at history instead of revising it. President Bush took responsibility for the poor federal response to the Hurricane Katrina disaster. Mayor Nagan did everything within his power to help the Katrina victims, unlike Bobby Jindal who lied and claimed he was there when he wasn't. The GOP is always touting its racial diversity, but yet when black people, and poor white people were drowning, they did nothing. It's history. I'm sorry it's too much for you.
@SlaveTaxPayer No one ever said he was. Bush's releif effort was disastrous, if not altogether irresponsible. The response to Hurricane Katrina is part of Bush's legacy of failure.
@piousone One more time, Bush was the President of the USA, not the Mayor or N.O. I am not defending Bush, but to say that he is responsible for the failure of the rescue effort during the hurricane is like saying that Obama is responsible for the relief effort of the Oil Spill. Every time Obama messes up, the Media sweeps it under the rug and it's never heard about again, but we still hear about Bush every damn day. BUSH ISN'T THE PRESIDENT ANYMORE!
You are defending Bush. He sat back and did absolutely nothing in response to Hurricane Katrina until the nation saw the media images. Comparing Hurricane Katrina to the oil spill is ridiculous. Did President Obama leave people stranded on oil platforms for days? Also, the Energy Secretary was the one who came up with the solution to plug the leak. This media never gives President Obama a break on anything, while Bush got every pass in the book, even at the loss of almost 5,000 troops.
You're right every group has racists but wrong because the tea party has people who look out for troublemakers I've seen videos of them telling the idiots they're not welcome John Mc Cain was questioned because he was born on a military base in Hawaii-are you really trying to say that this administration is not trying to CHANGE our country to Socialism? They make it quite clear thats their goal..check out Lt. Col Allen West on you tube-you may learn something about the real tea party
It just means that whites are obviously smarter... If they wanna be involved....then BE INVOLVED!!!...They don't dispute it because it has nothing to do with it!!! Fuckin morons
Maybe if the black community would liberate itself from the party that promises them free rides, then maybe the Tea Party would "have more diversity." Honestly. Democrats opposed Civil Rights for over a hundred years. And suddenly, they're the champion of race relations. It's really disgusting. Is it a coincidence that they all came out for the first time EVER to vote in this election? People need to stop pointing fingers and realize they are doing exactly what they're accusing others of doing.
@hunter1447 this is not about a free ride clown. this is about the rich getting richer(republicans) and the poor(black people) don't get a fucking thing.
@MrChameleon101 Not disputing that, "man". What I'm disputing is your premise that somehow "rich people" and Wall Street types only support the GOP.
So tell me something, have the "poor black people's " ( your words) lives been improved since the Democrats got them as a knee-jerk voting bloc or haven't they?
@dalmatian847 You're wasting your time, you should already know that anyone who votes Demokkkrat won't admit when they are wrong, they will just keep running their mouth and continue to make a fool of themselves.
@dalmatian847 To be honest,it's better then the GOP. i think on both sides they take money no one is disputing that. what i am saying is that from my view that i see this happen more with the GOP than with demorcrats. im not trying to be a smart ass, but i have had some bad experiences with the GOP.
@MrChameleon101 What's better than the GOP? What "bad" experiences have you had with the GOP? I've been living with the corrupt Democrat machine in Chicago my entire life.
So do tell how the party of Rod Blagojevich is inherently LESS corrupt.Tell me how Bill Clinton recieving illegal campaign contributiions from Communist China in exchange for selling out the U.S industrial base in the 1990's has worked out for the average american?
@SlaveTaxPayer okay and your a dumb ass!!!! and real tough guy on the internet LMFAO!!!! and quit this bullshit about the tea party started in 2007. LOL you motherfucking right-wing ass wipes just could not believe that a black man out smarted you at your own game. your full of hate weak ass bitch.
@MrChameleon101 Learn to spell and use the internet for more than free porn and MP3's. You refuse to study then call someone else a dumb ass? Typical Obama supporter. It's ignorant people like you that helped get this country into the mess it is in right now. While people like me were out in the streets protesting Bush and big government, you were sitting on your lazy ass. Go play XBOX, little boy.
@TwiztedAnimator yeah Im lazy, but just happen to work two jobs and go to school for criminal justice, LOL yeah real lazy!!!!! LOL EAT A DICK!!! and i have a PS3 faggot. get it right LMFAO
@MrChameleon101 Yeah, you're in College and I'm the fucking tooth fairy. Your lack of common sense and your childish attitude towards important situations within our Country's Government leads me to believe that you are just another bullshitter, you run your mouth without saying a damn thing. Get your shit together...
@TwiztedAnimator lack of common sense. LOL You know talking to you is like talking to palin or bush, it goes in one ear and out the other.LMFAO to be frank, i dont give a fuck if you don't think im in college or not. To anyone besides this undercover right-wing asshole reading this, this clown came out of no where and start attacking me for stating my opinion. the more this clown keeps attacking me the more he discredit hisself as a so-called individual. DONE!!!!! NOW GET YOUR SHIT TOGETHER
@TwiztedAnimator first of all, if im a racists, then why is my best friend white?and guess what? im godfather to his baby girl!!! LOL dumb-ass!!!!!!!!!!! LMFAO second, obama is more black than white, let me give uneducated ass an example. If President Obama was getting pulled over by police and he rolls his window down, as far as that officer is concern, he is black!!! LOL typical right-wing bitch.
@MrChameleon101 Maybe in your feeble mind all White people are racist and Obama is Black, but all that means to me is that you still see people for the Color of their skin which means that you are a racist. You didn't understand anything I said yet you call me "dumb-ass.." You call me right winger, that's laughable at the least. I am an individual, I don't follow any crowd, unlike you... I don't follow party lines or run my mouth about things I don't study, unlike you. Have fun playing games.
@TwiztedAnimator maybe in your feeble mind u want me to be a racist. maybe my best friend that happens to be white, don't matter to a clown like you. now you claim that i follow a crowd!! LOL true dumb-ass iam an independent and believe or not, i thought about voting GOP until i saw your cousins in the GOP saying racist comments yeah your people Get a life
@hunter1447 It's all they have ever had. They obviously can't run based on the success of their ideas or the fact they have controlled Congress for nearly 4 years now...ironically the same time the economy went into the toilet and never re-emerged. Coincidence?
@fuklibs Guys like this have used the whole racial diversity argument for so long that has lost it's desired effect. It's the same old racial guilt trip that people like him have used to hi-jack the political system in this country. In every other free country in the world the Majority Rules. By his own admission blacks are only 13% of the population. So quit whining you got February. And I say let's make March White Awareness Month.
@fuklibs 1st I don't consider TROLLS, as people. Second if you bothered to even LISTEN TO THE VIDEO. I spell out why they Tea Party is having a hard time shaking their racist perception, NOT THAT THE TEA PARTY WAS RACIST DIPSHIT! So yes, if you say something stupid, I will rip you a new one. Because I'm sick of SOME of you assholes showing just how STUPID you really are.
@flyboymd82 You sound like a fucking idiot. I'm neither a DEMOCRAT, NOR A REPUBLICAN. I know that LINCOLN, WANTED TO DEPORT SLAVES, NOT KEEP THEM HERE. I KNOW IT WAS A DEMOCRATIC PRESIDENT THAT SIGNED BOTH THE VOTING RIGHTS ACT AND CIVIL RIGHTS BILL INTO LAW. UNTIL YOU READ UP A BIT MORE, MAYBE YOU SHOULD DO US ALL A FAVOR AND SHUT THE FUCK UP.
@SpannTV You might want to dig a little deeper into your knowledge of history and look up who got the Voting rights Bill passed and who filibustered it. You see, history is not to be picked and choosed to try to prove your point.
It was Southern DEMOCRATS like Robert Byrd of WV(who got a heroes farewell from the likes of Bill Clinton)who OPPOSED those bills and REPUBLICANS like Senator Everett Dirksen fron IL that broke the Democratic filibuster of their OWN PRESIDENT.
@SpannTV Just a thought but you might want to google your "fact" before calling someone else a fucking idiot?
As a matter of fact, the record shows that since 1933 Republicans had a more positive record on civil rights than the Democrats.
In the 26 major civil rights votes after 1933, a majority of Democrats opposed civil rights legislation in over 80 percent of the votes. By contrast, the Republican majority favored civil rights in over 96 percent of the votes.
@SpannTV You idiot the only reason LBJ signed the civil rights act was because he was pressured by the republican congress who voted overwhelmingly for civil rights while democrates voted over overwhelmingly against civil rights LBJ voted three times against civil rights when he was a senator under a replublican Pres. Eisenhower.MLK who also was a republican was an enemy of the democrates and JFK had him watched by the FBI
@SpannTV The author of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 & Voting Rights Act of 1965 was a Republican named Everett Dirksen. He was a Senator from IL, yes a conservative. Republicans voted more than 80+% in the votes while Democrats were only more than 60%. Now who spear-headed the opposition: Robert Byrd and Al Gore, Sr., both Democrats and former members of the KKK.
Oh one more thing. Obama has NEVER shown a Birth Certificate. In fact he's spent over $3Million of his OWN money fighting lawsuits to force him to show it. What he DID show was a "certificate of live birth" which anyone can get at any time in thier lives. Its what LEGAL immigrants get. Nobody has EVER found a Doctor, a nurse or anyone who remembers him being born.
He also has sealed his passports, medical records, college applications & transcripts, tax returns & selective service card. REASON?
@flyboymd82 DO YOU KNOW THE DOCTOR WHO BIRTH YOUR RETARDED ASS? DO YOU THINK HE WOULD REMEMBER YOU IF YOU DID FIND HIM? GET YOUR HEAD OUT OF YOUR ASS DUDE. MOFOS LIKE YOU MAKE ME SICK.
I am white and I was at Obama's inauguration because regardless of your race history was being made and i wanted to be there for that. I believe however that the NAACP statements about the tea party movements are simply to discredit the movement. The establishment doesn't want us to work together and say enough. They want us divided over race or to make it a left right thing. As far as the tax protests, Obama stated that he would not raise taxes for people making less than 250k
I am so tired of this argument. The Tea Party is a good organization. What have they done wrong? The NAACP finds 5 signs out of hundreds of thousands that have racist jokes on them. There is a $100,000 reward out for proof of racist remarks or actions by the Tea Party. Why has it not been claimed yet? It can't. The few people that watch MSNBC think that the Tea Party is a bunch of stupid rednecks. It's not. They are intelligent patriots concerned about the lack of honor in this government.
Come on man. Of course obama is legit. That is not the point. If people would get over all the dumb shit and just get with the truth, we would get where we are going. The bottom line is that regardless of the idiots that attach themselves to the tea party movement, the ideas on economics shared by the majority of the tea party are on point. The time is now for everyone to get together on this. Fuck lazzy racist idiots. The rest of us have to move on.
You start with a generalization of the tea party then near the end defend it by saying every group has their fringe elements. The NAACP just lost a member who was from the Department of Agriculture days after condemning the tea party. 98% of blacks still support Obama and his country destroying agenda. Dude, come on.
The reason there are so few African Americans who are conservative is because some African Americans favor Obama giving people of color some free shit! What's gonna happen when the hard working black and white people of America who go to work every day and pay taxes figure out that they don't have to work to go to the doctor, or pay rent and utilities or buy groceries??? Hell why work if its free?
African Americans have been lead astray by the liberal socialist movement in America which is rooted in the Democratic party which defines people by their color rather than their God given talents
they call the tea parties racist because thats the best argument they can come up with. they know that if they actually try to argue on an intellectual level, everyone will see how flawed their arguments are. there will be a small group of people who will make wild claims about every president. people where convinced that Reagan was the anti christ because his first middle and last names all had 6 letters in them making 666... dont focus on the 1%, focus on the 99%
@metieta We didn't see the protesting of a President TWO MONTHS within the start of his Presidency. Even George W. Bush whom many people had concerns about his legitimacy because of the way he was put into office, didn't see the attack on his policy before he could even implement them.
I DO have a clue. I mean, I could harp on the fact that you failed miserably with the grammar in your statement. But I'm not, I understood what you said. Just like I'm sure you understood me despite this comment
@metieta The reason there are so few African Americans who are conservative is because some African Americans favor Obama giving people of color some free shit! What's gonna happen when the hard working black white and latino people of America who go to work every day and pay taxes figure out that they don't have to work to go to the doctor, or pay rent and utilities or buy groceries??? Hell why work if its free?
theres black americans in the tea party, just because a white person disagrees with Obama's policy doesnt make them racist, /watch?v=4t7A6AIDil4 and if the majority is white does that make them racist,
@metieta I know there is, I never said that there wasn't. And I never said that if a white person disagrees with his policies that they were racist. In fact, I respect the fact that some of them have legitimate policy differences with the POTUS. What I said was that there are some racist that have embedded themselves within the movement, and the NON RACIST in the Tea Party have not done much to distance themselves from those using the cover of the Tea Party to spew their views.
WELL GET OFF YOUR LAZY ASS AND GO TO ONE YOU MORON. I didn't need anyone to tell me to go. I believe in the tea party. I hate white liberals. The TP isn't about 'birthers' you moron. Do you have a clue?
@SpannTV hey man nice video, we must watch this tea party.while they say there,re not a racist organization,but if a pig puts on a wife beater and nikes,it,s still a pig.same shit warmed over
@ThePete65 Why are you yelling and assuming SpannTV is lazy? This is the kind of a reaction that is made when something true is said. You sing and carry sighs of "God Bless America" at your events. What god are you referring to? it is not the God of the Bible. The Tea Party's god is money. God is taking notes. Rethink what you feel and do. Ask yourself if your name is in the Book of Life.
@ThePete65 their useing his color as a front to push an agenda. as far as his place of birth he has spoken of his ties with kenya and islam. the media is useing the tv to fuck with ppls heads. his name is barry setero (spell check) and the nwapc are black teology believers. i dare u to watch any of their speaches. agenda agend agenda. those running the country behind the scenes use presidents as puppets kennady got shoot because he didnt want to follow orders.
@enterjcs And yet, the Tea Party didn't feel the need to say anything for 8 years while the United States poured BILLIONS of dollars to fund wars in Afghanistan and Iraq. The Tea Party said nothing while the government created a bureaucratic monstrosity of a cabinet level Department in the Dept. of Homeland Security, add that to the many people of the Tea Party that don't know that Czars didn't start under Obama, or the many signs these people carry at rallies that have racial overtones.
i mean havent you ever watched the WTO riots? i remember reading back in like 2005 or something that bush was the most protested man on the entire planet, and that included america because i personally attended many protests.. the point is man we have look past this race shit, and look past the false left/right paradigm, look at what krs said about obama and all puppet presidents, the tea party right now is the best thing right now because it gets press and gets it in peoples head to look it up
@NMghost223 And the "MSM" didn't invite Sarah Palin to speak for the tea party, or Tom Tancredo, and they didn't make many of the signs brought to the Tea Parties of Obama as a Jungle Bushman, or Murderer of Uncle Sam, or question his citizenship, and his religion. You mention Bush being the most protested man in 2005, In that year he had been President for 5 YEARS, and had taken the U.S into a needless war. Tea Party protest started not even 2 MONTHS after Obama was sworn in.
@SpannTV once again that isnt true, the tea party was started as a libertarian ron paul group back in 2007, recheck your facts.. and 2nd youre basing your opinion on what youre being fed by the corporate establishment, i am a tea party protester, i am not a racist, in fact when i see racism from anybody i call em on it, now i cant be at every tea party protest to condemn everybody but the ones ive been to down here ABQ, NM have had zero tolerance for racism of any kind
And with regards to sarah palin and that other fool, they dont represent us, they represent tea party express, A TOTALLY DIFFERENT GROUP!! just look up tea party censors wearechange, look up agent provocateurs, look up Endgame, Obama Deception, Fall of the Republic, Freedom to Fascism, Police State 4, Invisible Empire, Fabled Enemies, Terrorstorm.. you seem like a really sincere dude, and i hate seeing smart people get suckered in by corporate bullshit.. all presidents are puppets
@SpannTV the protests started b/c of the motion given by many democrat congressmen that taxes would raise, hence the "Taxed Enough Already" party (tea for short. Pretty simple acronym yet many don't understand it. Im black and have attended many tea parties and just b/c it's mainly white people doesn't mean it's racist. Im sick of being treated different, i want to make my own choices and not have people call me "Uncle Tom". Do black people have to have the same ideas, b/c that itself IS racism
hey man just let you know the tea party isnt all one group, and there are many different fractions of people within those fractured groups, so to say that the tea party hasnt come out and disowned anyone who isnt racist is absurd.. and you cant take whats shown on television to be evidence against the entire movement because every bit of that footage is edited together by the MSM ie the establishment.. i was protesting when bush was in office, they just didnt call it the tea party
@NMghost223 I know the tea party isn't one group. I say so in my video. I said that there are fringe elements who have attached themselves to that movement. And since the movement has no real leadership to distance themselves from that fringe element, those who aren't a part of that movement will think that the fringe rhetoric is just as welcome within that movement.
@SpannTV also something to take into account; agent provocateurs.. people who deliberately go out and act like protesters but scream insane shit to get lots of attention and help demonize the group as a whole, those are the racists youve seen, not actual tea party people.. lets take the G20 summit for instance, NOT AN ANTI OBAMA PROTEST, there were people there in black masks breaking windows and destroying property, the real protesters were totally peaceful but who do you think got the press??
if gay marriage were legalized I dont think any church or other places of worship will be forced to preform gay marriages because that would violate 1st amendment. or the seperation of church and state
I agree with a lot what you said. personally I think the tea party as a whole are not racist . but I have seen a small number of racist signs. I think its very unfair that the media go out of its way to brand everyone at the tea party a racist. while there were plenty of people that protest bush the bush protesters went as far as to have several sings of bush being killed so should we brand all the bush protester as murders.
As long as liberal media keeps racism as the main focus of everything the conservative movement does, it will cloud what we are trying to accomplish as a nation. Same goes for birthers. Another distraciton. No different than 9/11 truthers. Big country, lots of different movements and ideas. I will subscribe to you because I have never heard ANYONE admit that they are not educated enough to comment on a specific topic. Everyone seems to be an expert on everything. Please make more video's.
You were talking about how the tea party movement needs to make efforts for racial diversity. Why? The tea party has a distinct purpose and race has nothing to do with it. This is what I don't understand. Why go out of the way to make a racial specific gesture when we premise our lives with a racially equal mindset? We didn't know we had to constantly claim our innocence of racism. THEY claim we're racist. We do not bite on this clear distraction from our overall purpose.
I think you misunderstood my point. I wasn't suggesting that they make efforts to make the tea party more diverse. I was suggesting that if the tea party didn't want to be seen as a racist movement, than they would make more of an effort to expel those who use the tea party as a cover to express their racist rhetoric.
With 95% of the black population voting democratic, how many of the 5% would you expect to see at the tea party? If conservatives were as petty as liberals, we could say blacks are racist for being so close minded of the conservative idealology. But we don't because we just historically aren't that petty. We need the Democratic exploitation of black people to be exposed. I don't understand how we've demonized christianity yet the vast majority of blacks are christian.
As I said in the video. Black folks are conservative about certain things. They don't necessarily agree with everything in the conservative ideology. I for one, am not an ideologue. I've voted for both republicans and democrats. Not buying into the conservative ideology does not make black folks racist, just like not buying into the liberal ideology makes white folks racist.
I did. I was explaining the double standard of how the left demonizes christians and everything tied to it when the majority of their voting base (blacks) are in fact christians. Where are the blacks demanding respect for their religious rights? Rush say's the media wants to see a black qb do well and black go nuts. When 24/7 christian bashing saturates liberal media, I don't hear a peep.
Well again, Blacks only make up 13% of the U.S. population, with even less of us actually registered to vote. So in actuality Blacks are NOT the majority of the democratic voting base. The issue here seems to be that blacks for the most part, (just my opinion) tend to separate their religion from their politics. While I feel that a lot of conservatives for them their religion tends to influence their politics on a larger scale.
This video is a spin making me dizzy I do not get the point. Did you think Olbermanns comment was foolish? should he not go to a tea party to see for him self? This is a man the said cal should be ashamed of voting againts gay marriage and the majority of black and hispanics voted against it. He only cares for you when you vote his way.
It's very simple, I think Olbermann's Special Comment was misleading. I don't have to spin for anybody. LOL I'm making an outside observation. It's always funny to me that because I'm not parroting talking points for one side or the other, I'm accused of being biased.
I don't buy into the rigid ideologies of the left or the right. I listen to them both, let the ideas swirl around my head for a while, and then I make a decision.
Hell, personally, I think the Patriot Act should be abolished altogether. But that's never going to happen. The American people have become paralyzed with fear, and in my opinion have given up too many of their freedoms for the sake of "security"
Are you kidding? Of course I've been pulled over and searched. I've even been arrested for a petty crime, that ironically had to do with me looking for work. Long story though.
Are my phone calls being monitored or my internet activity looked into. I have no idea. Maybe, maybe not. I would lean more towards maybe so.
I was actually pulled aside for a security check at the airport because my name was on the terror watch list. How it ended up there I don't since I was once worked for ATA and Northwest Airlines as a Ramp Agent, which means, I had already gone through background checks. It was a misunderstanding of course, but that didn't help me make my damn flight.
With all the scandals that the Democrats have had these last few weeks, it's kind of hard to keep up. I'm not educated enough on the situation to give an opinion on that.
Cool - good talk, I hope that anyone, no matter your color or faith or nationality will open there eyes and see that our Constitution is no longer being followed by our elected leaders - including president Obama. That and the outrageous debt that Washington is piling up is what the Tea Party movement is about. I'm
Quick question to my new conservative friends. I call you friends because even though we can disagree on a number of things, we can still at least be respectful in our correspondence.
But my question is regarding Glenn Beck, exactly how much influence does he have with this movement. I've seen a lot of footage of tea partiers praising this man, as the one who woke them up so to speak. How do you reconcile that with his accusations of Obama being racist?
The democrats do not have fringe left wing movements in it? SDS, Black Panthers, socialists and communist movements. Birthers were started from the democrats as well as the truther movement. A reasonable person brings this up they are shot down as racists or nut jobs even though anyone who pays attention knows this is indeed true.
Actually, "truthers" have been marginalized by just about everyone including those on the left. Nobody takes the New Black Panther Party seriously. Birthers indeed started with Democrats but that's not where it stayed.
You have a whole bunch of groups that nobody takes seriously then on the left, but then again nobody is calling out those groups even though they actively get into the act at large protests. Anyother funny thing is the use of non-profit "non-partisan" groups on the left who are pretty partisan.
These fringe groups that you talk about are movements unto themselves, most rational people look at them as wackos and the keep them in their own lil corner. The problem is with the tea party, the fringes have been able to attach themselves to that movement. And the tea party hasn't done much at all to distance itself from it.
And you should be smart enough to know that "non-partisan" groups are on both sides of the isle. That's NOT exclusive to the left or the right.
How is that being biased? When you just CONFIRMED what I just said! I said these fringes have been able to attach themselves to your movement and I haven't seen much of an effort of tea partiers to distance themselves from those fringe elements.
9/11 truthers are a movement unto themselves, and even people on the left hold them in contempt.
And regardless to who uses them more or less, the fact of the matter is it is a tactic that is used by BOTH sides
The left has not and never has distanced themselves from its fringe elements. Closest thing to that is when Obama removed the new black panthers from his website and hamas from his website when it became politically expediant to do so.
Oh really? How often do you see 9/11 truthers on any mainstream media outlets other than to be ridiculed? Hell, even Bill Maher, who is pretty leftist, kicked a bunch of them out of his audience during a show. How often do you EVER see the "New Black Panthers" on any mainstream media outlets other than FOX depicted as a left wing group? Don't worry, I'll wait.......
Hell even the Klan "endorsed" Obama, I guess that means you think he agrees with the Klan and their views as well. Be For Real!
You proved my point 100% with "outlets other than FOX" comment. Hamas and New Black Panthers were on Obama's website for weeks and when it became clear it would cost him he took it down. Keep over looking it because that is the very thing I am talking about from my first post. You and your ilk are trying to say the tea party are fringe and all fringe while pretending leftist fringes don't matter. Who the hell cares about Bill Maher? Are you saying he is a leftist operative?
LMAO! Proved your point, to the contrary. What I'm saying is, if the media has a left wing slant, and these are left wing groups, than why aren't these groups getting any attention on the left??? Why aren't any of their causes promoted on the left??? Because the left despises them almost as much as YOU despise them. Nobody takes them seriously, and like I said before they are marginalized and left to their little corner.
Simple they are unsavory. They are leftists so they are acceptable behind the scenes. Just like the LEFT media hides things about leftist politicians.
Most leftists will claim Obama is a centrist (LMAO) when infact he is a statist/socialistic at least. Call him a marxist or a socialist the left will laugh but then defend socialism and marxism.......
Where is your proof of that? I guess the left wing media didn't get the memo that they weren't supposed to report on John Edward's affairs, or Charles Rangel tax evasion and ethics scandals, or Gov. Patterson of New York, and the trouble he got himself into. Or Rod Blagojevich and so on and so forth. If anything it just seems to me that YOU are the biased one.
You are talking old stuff, what about Massa and Stark? All you did was question righty and you are defending lefty.You already dismissed lefty fringe falsely.
Old stuff? Charles Rangel was just forced out of his Chairmanship of the Ways and Means Committee THIS WEEK as a result of ethics scandal. Gov. Paterson of New York, has JUST THIS WEEK announced that he's dropping out of his run to be re-elected as Governor as a result of his own ethics scandals. LOL
And your assertion is that their scandals have been "hidden" and I'M the biased one??? LOL
It seems to me that now you want to change the argument from what wasn't being covered, to well what about these "new" scandals. I didn't know scandals that are just a week old, could be considered "OLD"
Where are they??? Only a few places are covering them with any details. Just like the liberal media tries to frame Stack as a right wing anti government fringe element as much as they can while ignoring the fact he quoted the communist manifesto and was pro government ran health care. Just like they try to paint the Pentigon shooter the same way throwing in every anti government detail they can without mentioning he was anti-Bush and a registered Democrat.
Additionally, I take exception to your "You and your ilk" comment. I'm an independent, not an ideologue. I have not allegiance to the right or the left. I never said that leftest fringes don't matter. I said their fringes tend to be movements on their own. Not movements attached to a larger cause. And I questioned the Tea Party's zeal in distancing themselves from those groups.
Your point of view as an "independent" is pretty slanted. Ever been to a DNC rally? I have and I am telling you point blank in corners of those rallies there are VERY fringe elements. Can't wait to see what makes up Annabel Park's Coffee Party it should be a hoot!
I said "Nobody takes them seriously, and like I said before they are marginalized and left to their little corner."
You said "Your point of view as an "independent" is pretty slanted. Ever been to a DNC rally? I have and I am telling you point blank in CORNERS of those rallies there are VERY fringe elements."
No, it's not "slanted" it's just not where YOU would like my view to be. Which is fine by me. We are all free to agree to disagree. You have your view, and I have mine.
Seems like I am talking to 2 different people, the one in your video and the one making comments. You claim in your video that no one organized against Bush. No they didn't call him a socialist the called him a fascist! They painted his pictures up as Hitler. That is not fringe? Olbermann called Bush a fascist how many times? Raise taxes? Bush cut taxes right down to the 2 lowest tax brackets.
(sigh) NOBODY deemed Bush's Presidency a failure 6 months into his term. Bush's initial opposition came because of the Florida recounts and the Supreme Court decision to end those recounts in effect installing Bush into the White House. He wasn't seen as legitimate. Especially since he LOST on the popular vote. That's where his initial opposition came from.
Because Bush's budgets over 10 years were not going to run up the deficit 10+ trillion dollars before intrest???? Ahh so now you are talking about "popular" vote. Are you saying Bush cheated? Did they change the rules for Bush?
Did I say Bush cheated??? No. I said that's where Bush's initial opposition came from. The majority of Americans in 2000 didn't vote for Bush, and yet he was President.
I didn't say they changed the rules for him either. The situation had never come up before. But as it stands, he's the only POTUS to ever be put in office by a decision from the Supreme Court.
So now you are saying his win in Florida needed to win the election is tainted or it was so close that Gore wanted to press the issue to see if he could win Florida?
Yes there was you are saying that he HAD to win by the supreme court, when infact the only reason it went there was because Gore and the dems didn't like the outcome otherwise. I voted for Gore but I also felt he acted like a baby about it.
Secondly, Bush did exactly the OPPOSITE of what he campaigned on. Like having a smaller government, no nation buidling, so on and so forth. But what did he do? After 9/11 created a behemoth of a bureaucracy with the creation of the DHD, and then went into a pre-emptive war with a country that had none of the weapons he swore they had, and in effect we as a nation have had to rebuild THAT country. Add that to the fact that Bush NEVER actually declared War on Iraq.
Ever hear of Operation Dessert Fox? Happened in 1998 look it up.
Might also want to look up the 600 tons of uranium the UN removed from Iraq after Saddam was removed. Do I agree with Bush? Not on too much as I never voted for him, but to accuse him of so much without looking at history and taking 9/11 out of the picture then reasserting it for political gain is a game all in itself.
And lastly do you forget that right after 9/11 Bush had the HIGHEST approval ratings of any President ever at 90%. Do you think all of those people were just Republicans? He had a lot of independent voters and some Democrats on his side as well. Until of course he made that ill advised move to attack Iraq.
No I didn't forget any of that, thing is many leftists forget they were saying the EXACT same things as Bush was even 9 years before Bush. When it became unpopular is when the leftists flipped the script. If what you are saying is correct why wasn't Bush impeached? Why wasn't Chaney? Why can't the leftist prove any of their accusations about this even 6 years after the fact? The proof is there isn't it or isn't it?
And again, this was YEARS into the Bush Presidency before the anti-war movement got going. And I NEVER SAID no one ever organized against Bush. I said no on on the right protested against Bush when it came to the War against Iraq or with the passage of the Patriot Act. (The annotation has been on the video for the longest time)
You are not following history at all. Where are the anti war protests when Al Gore goes on his global warming skits to make 100's of millions of dollars? Where are the anti war protests when Kerry speaks? Where are they when Clinton speaks? Clinton bombed Iraq in 1998.
@WarriorUvChrist I can see right now that you're just some nut in search of attention.
SpannTV 2 weeks ago
A lot of blacks are more conservative than the media portrays them, especially in the black churches. But blacks cling to the Democratic party because of the work of Democrats like JFK and Lyndon Johnson to help further the movement, and further work on affirmative action, and aid to the poor and so on. But the Tea Party and Republicans offer NOTHING to make blackS see things another way, except maybe a lot of black don't what they is see is happening to the black community as a whole.
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Let's examine the Tea party's ideal of Return Political power to the States. We are in the UNITED States. Like ever company model, the power, operations, rules and regulations come from the top, right? So why, conveniently when a black man is president might I add, are they so adament about moving power from the Federal level back to the States? Kinda defies the concept of ONE nation. And by the way, the toughest protection from discrimination is at the federal level. Too convienient, is it?
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There are few black in the Tea Party because its ideals are not in their best interests. LIMITED GOVERNMENT= no more unemployment, checks, food stamps, disability; INDIVIDUAL FREEDOM= free expression and execution of racially devisive comments & actions; PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY= your not being rich is ALL your fault; FREE MARKETS= the rich get richer at anyone's expense with no restrictions; RETURN POLITICAL POWER TO STATES= fed.laws on discrimination & employment can be ignored.
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The Tea Party activists try to claim that racism is not a part of their movement. But does it bother you that the practically never deny it, condemn it or try to separate themselves from it. Instead only state they don't condone it when being challenged about it, and barely do that. But keep in mind their ideals work against poorer people, especially in this economy. And of course poverty and unemployment is highest in the black community. Convenient truth?
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@Krystoff04111 Obviously you weren't listening to a damn thing I said. I said nothing about it being racist because its mostly white people. I said there are FRINGE elements within the Tea Party that ARE racist and for the most part I hadn't seen much effort to separate those elements from the movement. So many of you are in such a hurry to be offended that you don't even listen.
SpannTV 7 months ago
So, the Tea Party is looked at as racist because they are mostly white? Ok... Ok...
So was the Million Man March racist? Should whites have protested that? Should we blast the Puerto Rican parade? Come on, man! There aren't more black people at these rallies for the same reason I ate lunch by myself in high school - many would feel uncomfortable being around so many people not like them self. That makes the black people not there the racists. Not the white people that are there.
Krystoff04111 7 months ago
White people in the USA = 70% of the population... Black people in the USA = 13%...
TwiztedAnimator 9 months ago
@TwiztedAnimator i agree
kasuwell 8 months ago
How about making a video urging black people to join the Tea Party. Maybe you need to study the BC and not just take the word of the day as fact. There has never been a president that has taken control of the finacial entity, the automobile industry and the healthcare market.
254tom 9 months ago
Good thing there is the words uh and umm
254tom 9 months ago
spann is a clown ass nigga. enough said. nobody watches this shit and more people disliked the video than liked it. hahaha
dowder6 11 months ago
@dowder6 Your mother should have swallowed, troll.
SpannTV 11 months ago
Boring
WESTAZTEC 11 months ago
The vast majority of people in the Tea Party are white? Hmm maybe because 90% of blacks voted for Obama and they don't want to go against him. You know there are certain black people that voted Obama only because he was black.
ThePelicans44 1 year ago 6
@ThePelicans44 The amount of black folks that voted for Obama because he's "black" are about as equal as the amount of white folks that DIDN'T vote for him because he's "Black" It's amazing how people tend to hear what they want to as opposed to actually LISTENING to what's being said. This video was about how the TEA PARTY COULD SHED THE RACIST STEREOTYPES ABOUT THE MOVEMENT! But so many of you are butt hurt at the truth you don't bother to listen.
SpannTV 1 year ago
@SpannTV No You are a racist! You need to come out and shed the racist stereotypes about you. You can't prove that you are not a racist. Everybody thinks you are a racist. You need to come out and shed those stereotypes. And don't be butt hurt about the truth.
ThePelicans44 11 months ago 4
@ThePelicans44 You are an idiot, You need to come out and shed the idiotic sterotypes about you. You can't prove you're NOT an idiot. Everybody thinks your an idiot. You need to come out and shed those stereotypes. And don't be butt hurt about the truth of the fact that you are a FUCKING IDIOT. Now beat it clown.
SpannTV 11 months ago
Did you ever think there aren't more black people at the Tea Party because we just elected the 1st Black President???????? The Tea Party started under the BUSH to big to fail bailouts, they have grown because of governments inability to exist within a budget!!! I Regret voting for Obama, McCain was not a choice, Ron Paul would have been better!
joe035 1 year ago
@flyboymd82 spoken like a true clown!!! LMFAO first of all Lincoln said that he would free slaves if he could save the union!!!!!!!!!!! or he would not free the slaves if it would save the union get your info right dude
MrChameleon101 1 year ago
FYI, the Tea Party started back in 2007, at that time FOX News was going against us. You didn't hear about us until Obama became President because that is when FOX News created the "Tea Party Express." That's not the Tea Party.
SlaveTaxPayer 1 year ago 2
If anyone wants to discuss the Republicans on civil rights, I have two words for you: Hurricane Katrina. Republicans left hundreds, if not thousands, of blacks and poor whites to die. Also, civil rights has never been a party issue. It's an ideological issue. However, if you want to talk about Republican civil rights, I have two more words for you: Strohm Thurmond.
piousone 1 year ago
@piousone Who was in charge of New Orleans? It sure as hell wasn't Bush. Bush was the President of the USA, not the Mayor or New Orleans.
SlaveTaxPayer 1 year ago
You really should try looking at history instead of revising it. President Bush took responsibility for the poor federal response to the Hurricane Katrina disaster. Mayor Nagan did everything within his power to help the Katrina victims, unlike Bobby Jindal who lied and claimed he was there when he wasn't. The GOP is always touting its racial diversity, but yet when black people, and poor white people were drowning, they did nothing. It's history. I'm sorry it's too much for you.
piousone 1 year ago
@SlaveTaxPayer No one ever said he was. Bush's releif effort was disastrous, if not altogether irresponsible. The response to Hurricane Katrina is part of Bush's legacy of failure.
piousone 11 months ago
@piousone One more time, Bush was the President of the USA, not the Mayor or N.O. I am not defending Bush, but to say that he is responsible for the failure of the rescue effort during the hurricane is like saying that Obama is responsible for the relief effort of the Oil Spill. Every time Obama messes up, the Media sweeps it under the rug and it's never heard about again, but we still hear about Bush every damn day. BUSH ISN'T THE PRESIDENT ANYMORE!
SlaveTaxPayer 11 months ago
You are defending Bush. He sat back and did absolutely nothing in response to Hurricane Katrina until the nation saw the media images. Comparing Hurricane Katrina to the oil spill is ridiculous. Did President Obama leave people stranded on oil platforms for days? Also, the Energy Secretary was the one who came up with the solution to plug the leak. This media never gives President Obama a break on anything, while Bush got every pass in the book, even at the loss of almost 5,000 troops.
piousone 11 months ago
to many but's it is what it is
mysliwya 1 year ago
You're right every group has racists but wrong because the tea party has people who look out for troublemakers I've seen videos of them telling the idiots they're not welcome John Mc Cain was questioned because he was born on a military base in Hawaii-are you really trying to say that this administration is not trying to CHANGE our country to Socialism? They make it quite clear thats their goal..check out Lt. Col Allen West on you tube-you may learn something about the real tea party
callyjo 1 year ago
It just means that whites are obviously smarter... If they wanna be involved....then BE INVOLVED!!!...They don't dispute it because it has nothing to do with it!!! Fuckin morons
Bdiggidy1 1 year ago
Maybe if the black community would liberate itself from the party that promises them free rides, then maybe the Tea Party would "have more diversity." Honestly. Democrats opposed Civil Rights for over a hundred years. And suddenly, they're the champion of race relations. It's really disgusting. Is it a coincidence that they all came out for the first time EVER to vote in this election? People need to stop pointing fingers and realize they are doing exactly what they're accusing others of doing.
hunter1447 1 year ago
@hunter1447 this is not about a free ride clown. this is about the rich getting richer(republicans) and the poor(black people) don't get a fucking thing.
MrChameleon101 1 year ago
@MrChameleon101 So why then do you suppose Obama's biggest single campaign contributoe was Goldman Sachs then?
dalmatian847 1 year ago
@dalmatian847 they all steal man
MrChameleon101 1 year ago
@MrChameleon101 Not disputing that, "man". What I'm disputing is your premise that somehow "rich people" and Wall Street types only support the GOP.
So tell me something, have the "poor black people's " ( your words) lives been improved since the Democrats got them as a knee-jerk voting bloc or haven't they?
dalmatian847 1 year ago
@dalmatian847 You're wasting your time, you should already know that anyone who votes Demokkkrat won't admit when they are wrong, they will just keep running their mouth and continue to make a fool of themselves.
TwiztedAnimator 1 year ago
@TwiztedAnimator I don't need a Democrat to admit he's wrong. The American voter will make tha factt abundantly clear today.
dalmatian847 1 year ago 4
@dalmatian847 To be honest,it's better then the GOP. i think on both sides they take money no one is disputing that. what i am saying is that from my view that i see this happen more with the GOP than with demorcrats. im not trying to be a smart ass, but i have had some bad experiences with the GOP.
MrChameleon101 1 year ago
@MrChameleon101 What's better than the GOP? What "bad" experiences have you had with the GOP? I've been living with the corrupt Democrat machine in Chicago my entire life.
So do tell how the party of Rod Blagojevich is inherently LESS corrupt.Tell me how Bill Clinton recieving illegal campaign contributiions from Communist China in exchange for selling out the U.S industrial base in the 1990's has worked out for the average american?
I look forward to your reponse.
dalmatian847 1 year ago 4
@MrChameleon101 You're an idiot.
SlaveTaxPayer 1 year ago
@SlaveTaxPayer okay and your a dumb ass!!!! and real tough guy on the internet LMFAO!!!! and quit this bullshit about the tea party started in 2007. LOL you motherfucking right-wing ass wipes just could not believe that a black man out smarted you at your own game. your full of hate weak ass bitch.
MrChameleon101 1 year ago
@MrChameleon101 Learn to spell and use the internet for more than free porn and MP3's. You refuse to study then call someone else a dumb ass? Typical Obama supporter. It's ignorant people like you that helped get this country into the mess it is in right now. While people like me were out in the streets protesting Bush and big government, you were sitting on your lazy ass. Go play XBOX, little boy.
TwiztedAnimator 1 year ago
@TwiztedAnimator yeah Im lazy, but just happen to work two jobs and go to school for criminal justice, LOL yeah real lazy!!!!! LOL EAT A DICK!!! and i have a PS3 faggot. get it right LMFAO
MrChameleon101 1 year ago
@MrChameleon101 Yeah, you're in College and I'm the fucking tooth fairy. Your lack of common sense and your childish attitude towards important situations within our Country's Government leads me to believe that you are just another bullshitter, you run your mouth without saying a damn thing. Get your shit together...
TwiztedAnimator 1 year ago
@TwiztedAnimator lack of common sense. LOL You know talking to you is like talking to palin or bush, it goes in one ear and out the other.LMFAO to be frank, i dont give a fuck if you don't think im in college or not. To anyone besides this undercover right-wing asshole reading this, this clown came out of no where and start attacking me for stating my opinion. the more this clown keeps attacking me the more he discredit hisself as a so-called individual. DONE!!!!! NOW GET YOUR SHIT TOGETHER
MrChameleon101 1 year ago
@MrChameleon101 One more thing, Obama is NOT Black. You racists really have your heads up your asses.
TwiztedAnimator 1 year ago
@TwiztedAnimator first of all, if im a racists, then why is my best friend white?and guess what? im godfather to his baby girl!!! LOL dumb-ass!!!!!!!!!!! LMFAO second, obama is more black than white, let me give uneducated ass an example. If President Obama was getting pulled over by police and he rolls his window down, as far as that officer is concern, he is black!!! LOL typical right-wing bitch.
MrChameleon101 1 year ago
@MrChameleon101 Maybe in your feeble mind all White people are racist and Obama is Black, but all that means to me is that you still see people for the Color of their skin which means that you are a racist. You didn't understand anything I said yet you call me "dumb-ass.." You call me right winger, that's laughable at the least. I am an individual, I don't follow any crowd, unlike you... I don't follow party lines or run my mouth about things I don't study, unlike you. Have fun playing games.
TwiztedAnimator 1 year ago
@TwiztedAnimator maybe in your feeble mind u want me to be a racist. maybe my best friend that happens to be white, don't matter to a clown like you. now you claim that i follow a crowd!! LOL true dumb-ass iam an independent and believe or not, i thought about voting GOP until i saw your cousins in the GOP saying racist comments yeah your people Get a life
MrChameleon101 1 year ago
@fuklibs Amen. The race card and "Blame Bush" card are all they have left.
hunter1447 1 year ago
@hunter1447 It's all they have ever had. They obviously can't run based on the success of their ideas or the fact they have controlled Congress for nearly 4 years now...ironically the same time the economy went into the toilet and never re-emerged. Coincidence?
dalmatian847 1 year ago
@fuklibs Guys like this have used the whole racial diversity argument for so long that has lost it's desired effect. It's the same old racial guilt trip that people like him have used to hi-jack the political system in this country. In every other free country in the world the Majority Rules. By his own admission blacks are only 13% of the population. So quit whining you got February. And I say let's make March White Awareness Month.
olddog843 1 year ago
@fuklibs 1st I don't consider TROLLS, as people. Second if you bothered to even LISTEN TO THE VIDEO. I spell out why they Tea Party is having a hard time shaking their racist perception, NOT THAT THE TEA PARTY WAS RACIST DIPSHIT! So yes, if you say something stupid, I will rip you a new one. Because I'm sick of SOME of you assholes showing just how STUPID you really are.
SpannTV 1 year ago
@flyboymd82 You sound like a fucking idiot. I'm neither a DEMOCRAT, NOR A REPUBLICAN. I know that LINCOLN, WANTED TO DEPORT SLAVES, NOT KEEP THEM HERE. I KNOW IT WAS A DEMOCRATIC PRESIDENT THAT SIGNED BOTH THE VOTING RIGHTS ACT AND CIVIL RIGHTS BILL INTO LAW. UNTIL YOU READ UP A BIT MORE, MAYBE YOU SHOULD DO US ALL A FAVOR AND SHUT THE FUCK UP.
SpannTV 1 year ago
@SpannTV You might want to dig a little deeper into your knowledge of history and look up who got the Voting rights Bill passed and who filibustered it. You see, history is not to be picked and choosed to try to prove your point.
It was Southern DEMOCRATS like Robert Byrd of WV(who got a heroes farewell from the likes of Bill Clinton)who OPPOSED those bills and REPUBLICANS like Senator Everett Dirksen fron IL that broke the Democratic filibuster of their OWN PRESIDENT.
Facts are facts.
dalmatian847 1 year ago
@SpannTV Just a thought but you might want to google your "fact" before calling someone else a fucking idiot?
As a matter of fact, the record shows that since 1933 Republicans had a more positive record on civil rights than the Democrats.
In the 26 major civil rights votes after 1933, a majority of Democrats opposed civil rights legislation in over 80 percent of the votes. By contrast, the Republican majority favored civil rights in over 96 percent of the votes.
Look it up.
dalmatian847 1 year ago
@SpannTV You idiot the only reason LBJ signed the civil rights act was because he was pressured by the republican congress who voted overwhelmingly for civil rights while democrates voted over overwhelmingly against civil rights LBJ voted three times against civil rights when he was a senator under a replublican Pres. Eisenhower.MLK who also was a republican was an enemy of the democrates and JFK had him watched by the FBI
dannyajr 1 year ago
@SpannTV The author of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 & Voting Rights Act of 1965 was a Republican named Everett Dirksen. He was a Senator from IL, yes a conservative. Republicans voted more than 80+% in the votes while Democrats were only more than 60%. Now who spear-headed the opposition: Robert Byrd and Al Gore, Sr., both Democrats and former members of the KKK.
Aegius 1 year ago
Oh one more thing. Obama has NEVER shown a Birth Certificate. In fact he's spent over $3Million of his OWN money fighting lawsuits to force him to show it. What he DID show was a "certificate of live birth" which anyone can get at any time in thier lives. Its what LEGAL immigrants get. Nobody has EVER found a Doctor, a nurse or anyone who remembers him being born.
He also has sealed his passports, medical records, college applications & transcripts, tax returns & selective service card. REASON?
flyboymd82 1 year ago 6
@flyboymd82 DO YOU KNOW THE DOCTOR WHO BIRTH YOUR RETARDED ASS? DO YOU THINK HE WOULD REMEMBER YOU IF YOU DID FIND HIM? GET YOUR HEAD OUT OF YOUR ASS DUDE. MOFOS LIKE YOU MAKE ME SICK.
SpannTV 1 year ago
@flyboymd82 wrong dumb fuck, the State of Hawaii has REPEATEDLY validated Obama's BC.
And no, retard, not anyone can get that any time. You got to Hawaii, and get this thing you say everyone can get.
Go on retard. Go get one. Or shut the fuck up.
Go get this certificate life birth to say you were born on x date and where.
Go on you stupid shit. Go get one.
Go on you stupid shit. Go get one.
Got that you stupid shit? Go get one. You said anyone can, prove it.
12FlyMe 1 year ago
I am white and I was at Obama's inauguration because regardless of your race history was being made and i wanted to be there for that. I believe however that the NAACP statements about the tea party movements are simply to discredit the movement. The establishment doesn't want us to work together and say enough. They want us divided over race or to make it a left right thing. As far as the tax protests, Obama stated that he would not raise taxes for people making less than 250k
Aholeintheozone 1 year ago
im black and i plan to attend 1 soon.
dendugger 1 year ago
tea party came out today and said there not racist, /watch?v=H8zVu4StIUo
metieta 1 year ago
I am so tired of this argument. The Tea Party is a good organization. What have they done wrong? The NAACP finds 5 signs out of hundreds of thousands that have racist jokes on them. There is a $100,000 reward out for proof of racist remarks or actions by the Tea Party. Why has it not been claimed yet? It can't. The few people that watch MSNBC think that the Tea Party is a bunch of stupid rednecks. It's not. They are intelligent patriots concerned about the lack of honor in this government.
hunter1447 1 year ago 2
@hunter1447 Andrew Breitbart and Mark Williams (leaders of the movement) and Rand Paul (darling of the movement). Pay me pleeeeeeeeeeeease.
dustinjt 1 year ago
@dustinjt Your point?
hunter1447 1 year ago
@hunter1447 LOL.
dustinjt 1 year ago
Come on man. Of course obama is legit. That is not the point. If people would get over all the dumb shit and just get with the truth, we would get where we are going. The bottom line is that regardless of the idiots that attach themselves to the tea party movement, the ideas on economics shared by the majority of the tea party are on point. The time is now for everyone to get together on this. Fuck lazzy racist idiots. The rest of us have to move on.
j19318 1 year ago
You start with a generalization of the tea party then near the end defend it by saying every group has their fringe elements. The NAACP just lost a member who was from the Department of Agriculture days after condemning the tea party. 98% of blacks still support Obama and his country destroying agenda. Dude, come on.
toolband79 1 year ago
The reason there are so few African Americans who are conservative is because some African Americans favor Obama giving people of color some free shit! What's gonna happen when the hard working black and white people of America who go to work every day and pay taxes figure out that they don't have to work to go to the doctor, or pay rent and utilities or buy groceries??? Hell why work if its free?
adamsnindy1 1 year ago
African Americans have been lead astray by the liberal socialist movement in America which is rooted in the Democratic party which defines people by their color rather than their God given talents
JesusNonEnviromental 1 year ago
they call the tea parties racist because thats the best argument they can come up with. they know that if they actually try to argue on an intellectual level, everyone will see how flawed their arguments are. there will be a small group of people who will make wild claims about every president. people where convinced that Reagan was the anti christ because his first middle and last names all had 6 letters in them making 666... dont focus on the 1%, focus on the 99%
anryth 1 year ago
lmao we never seen americans protesting government??!!!get a clue, yea we have. why so many people so stupid
metieta 1 year ago
@metieta We didn't see the protesting of a President TWO MONTHS within the start of his Presidency. Even George W. Bush whom many people had concerns about his legitimacy because of the way he was put into office, didn't see the attack on his policy before he could even implement them.
I DO have a clue. I mean, I could harp on the fact that you failed miserably with the grammar in your statement. But I'm not, I understood what you said. Just like I'm sure you understood me despite this comment
SpannTV 1 year ago
@metieta The reason there are so few African Americans who are conservative is because some African Americans favor Obama giving people of color some free shit! What's gonna happen when the hard working black white and latino people of America who go to work every day and pay taxes figure out that they don't have to work to go to the doctor, or pay rent and utilities or buy groceries??? Hell why work if its free?
adamsnindy1 1 year ago
theres black americans in the tea party, just because a white person disagrees with Obama's policy doesnt make them racist, /watch?v=4t7A6AIDil4 and if the majority is white does that make them racist,
metieta 1 year ago
@metieta I know there is, I never said that there wasn't. And I never said that if a white person disagrees with his policies that they were racist. In fact, I respect the fact that some of them have legitimate policy differences with the POTUS. What I said was that there are some racist that have embedded themselves within the movement, and the NON RACIST in the Tea Party have not done much to distance themselves from those using the cover of the Tea Party to spew their views.
SpannTV 1 year ago
WELL GET OFF YOUR LAZY ASS AND GO TO ONE YOU MORON. I didn't need anyone to tell me to go. I believe in the tea party. I hate white liberals. The TP isn't about 'birthers' you moron. Do you have a clue?
ThePete65 1 year ago
@ThePete65 Something tells me you are trying to provoke an angry response from me. and I'll bite. FUCK OFF!
SpannTV 1 year ago 2
@SpannTV hey man nice video, we must watch this tea party.while they say there,re not a racist organization,but if a pig puts on a wife beater and nikes,it,s still a pig.same shit warmed over
drsnobby 1 year ago
@ThePete65 Why are you yelling and assuming SpannTV is lazy? This is the kind of a reaction that is made when something true is said. You sing and carry sighs of "God Bless America" at your events. What god are you referring to? it is not the God of the Bible. The Tea Party's god is money. God is taking notes. Rethink what you feel and do. Ask yourself if your name is in the Book of Life.
drl15son 1 year ago
@ThePete65 their useing his color as a front to push an agenda. as far as his place of birth he has spoken of his ties with kenya and islam. the media is useing the tv to fuck with ppls heads. his name is barry setero (spell check) and the nwapc are black teology believers. i dare u to watch any of their speaches. agenda agend agenda. those running the country behind the scenes use presidents as puppets kennady got shoot because he didnt want to follow orders.
dendugger 1 year ago
@enterjcs And yet, the Tea Party didn't feel the need to say anything for 8 years while the United States poured BILLIONS of dollars to fund wars in Afghanistan and Iraq. The Tea Party said nothing while the government created a bureaucratic monstrosity of a cabinet level Department in the Dept. of Homeland Security, add that to the many people of the Tea Party that don't know that Czars didn't start under Obama, or the many signs these people carry at rallies that have racial overtones.
SpannTV 1 year ago
i mean havent you ever watched the WTO riots? i remember reading back in like 2005 or something that bush was the most protested man on the entire planet, and that included america because i personally attended many protests.. the point is man we have look past this race shit, and look past the false left/right paradigm, look at what krs said about obama and all puppet presidents, the tea party right now is the best thing right now because it gets press and gets it in peoples head to look it up
NMghost223 1 year ago
@NMghost223 And the "MSM" didn't invite Sarah Palin to speak for the tea party, or Tom Tancredo, and they didn't make many of the signs brought to the Tea Parties of Obama as a Jungle Bushman, or Murderer of Uncle Sam, or question his citizenship, and his religion. You mention Bush being the most protested man in 2005, In that year he had been President for 5 YEARS, and had taken the U.S into a needless war. Tea Party protest started not even 2 MONTHS after Obama was sworn in.
SpannTV 1 year ago
@SpannTV once again that isnt true, the tea party was started as a libertarian ron paul group back in 2007, recheck your facts.. and 2nd youre basing your opinion on what youre being fed by the corporate establishment, i am a tea party protester, i am not a racist, in fact when i see racism from anybody i call em on it, now i cant be at every tea party protest to condemn everybody but the ones ive been to down here ABQ, NM have had zero tolerance for racism of any kind
NMghost223 1 year ago
And with regards to sarah palin and that other fool, they dont represent us, they represent tea party express, A TOTALLY DIFFERENT GROUP!! just look up tea party censors wearechange, look up agent provocateurs, look up Endgame, Obama Deception, Fall of the Republic, Freedom to Fascism, Police State 4, Invisible Empire, Fabled Enemies, Terrorstorm.. you seem like a really sincere dude, and i hate seeing smart people get suckered in by corporate bullshit.. all presidents are puppets
NMghost223 1 year ago
@SpannTV the protests started b/c of the motion given by many democrat congressmen that taxes would raise, hence the "Taxed Enough Already" party (tea for short. Pretty simple acronym yet many don't understand it. Im black and have attended many tea parties and just b/c it's mainly white people doesn't mean it's racist. Im sick of being treated different, i want to make my own choices and not have people call me "Uncle Tom". Do black people have to have the same ideas, b/c that itself IS racism
ipooponcrackers 1 year ago
hey man just let you know the tea party isnt all one group, and there are many different fractions of people within those fractured groups, so to say that the tea party hasnt come out and disowned anyone who isnt racist is absurd.. and you cant take whats shown on television to be evidence against the entire movement because every bit of that footage is edited together by the MSM ie the establishment.. i was protesting when bush was in office, they just didnt call it the tea party
NMghost223 1 year ago
@NMghost223 I know the tea party isn't one group. I say so in my video. I said that there are fringe elements who have attached themselves to that movement. And since the movement has no real leadership to distance themselves from that fringe element, those who aren't a part of that movement will think that the fringe rhetoric is just as welcome within that movement.
SpannTV 1 year ago
@SpannTV also something to take into account; agent provocateurs.. people who deliberately go out and act like protesters but scream insane shit to get lots of attention and help demonize the group as a whole, those are the racists youve seen, not actual tea party people.. lets take the G20 summit for instance, NOT AN ANTI OBAMA PROTEST, there were people there in black masks breaking windows and destroying property, the real protesters were totally peaceful but who do you think got the press??
NMghost223 1 year ago
if gay marriage were legalized I dont think any church or other places of worship will be forced to preform gay marriages because that would violate 1st amendment. or the seperation of church and state
swampmanelement77 1 year ago
I agree with a lot what you said. personally I think the tea party as a whole are not racist . but I have seen a small number of racist signs. I think its very unfair that the media go out of its way to brand everyone at the tea party a racist. while there were plenty of people that protest bush the bush protesters went as far as to have several sings of bush being killed so should we brand all the bush protester as murders.
swampmanelement77 1 year ago
Hillary Clinton was the ORIGINAL "birther." Folks seem to forget that a lot.
MuddleVanHeck 1 year ago
As long as liberal media keeps racism as the main focus of everything the conservative movement does, it will cloud what we are trying to accomplish as a nation. Same goes for birthers. Another distraciton. No different than 9/11 truthers. Big country, lots of different movements and ideas. I will subscribe to you because I have never heard ANYONE admit that they are not educated enough to comment on a specific topic. Everyone seems to be an expert on everything. Please make more video's.
hatfisc 1 year ago
You were talking about how the tea party movement needs to make efforts for racial diversity. Why? The tea party has a distinct purpose and race has nothing to do with it. This is what I don't understand. Why go out of the way to make a racial specific gesture when we premise our lives with a racially equal mindset? We didn't know we had to constantly claim our innocence of racism. THEY claim we're racist. We do not bite on this clear distraction from our overall purpose.
hatfisc 1 year ago
I think you misunderstood my point. I wasn't suggesting that they make efforts to make the tea party more diverse. I was suggesting that if the tea party didn't want to be seen as a racist movement, than they would make more of an effort to expel those who use the tea party as a cover to express their racist rhetoric.
SpannTV 1 year ago
With 95% of the black population voting democratic, how many of the 5% would you expect to see at the tea party? If conservatives were as petty as liberals, we could say blacks are racist for being so close minded of the conservative idealology. But we don't because we just historically aren't that petty. We need the Democratic exploitation of black people to be exposed. I don't understand how we've demonized christianity yet the vast majority of blacks are christian.
hatfisc 1 year ago
As I said in the video. Black folks are conservative about certain things. They don't necessarily agree with everything in the conservative ideology. I for one, am not an ideologue. I've voted for both republicans and democrats. Not buying into the conservative ideology does not make black folks racist, just like not buying into the liberal ideology makes white folks racist.
SpannTV 1 year ago
And I never said anything about Christianity being demonized.
SpannTV 1 year ago
I did. I was explaining the double standard of how the left demonizes christians and everything tied to it when the majority of their voting base (blacks) are in fact christians. Where are the blacks demanding respect for their religious rights? Rush say's the media wants to see a black qb do well and black go nuts. When 24/7 christian bashing saturates liberal media, I don't hear a peep.
hatfisc 1 year ago
Well again, Blacks only make up 13% of the U.S. population, with even less of us actually registered to vote. So in actuality Blacks are NOT the majority of the democratic voting base. The issue here seems to be that blacks for the most part, (just my opinion) tend to separate their religion from their politics. While I feel that a lot of conservatives for them their religion tends to influence their politics on a larger scale.
SpannTV 1 year ago
Would love to continue this back and forth with you, but, I got to get ready for some Sunday Dinner. Good Day to you.
SpannTV 2 years ago
This video is a spin making me dizzy I do not get the point. Did you think Olbermanns comment was foolish? should he not go to a tea party to see for him self? This is a man the said cal should be ashamed of voting againts gay marriage and the majority of black and hispanics voted against it. He only cares for you when you vote his way.
mysliwya 2 years ago
It's very simple, I think Olbermann's Special Comment was misleading. I don't have to spin for anybody. LOL I'm making an outside observation. It's always funny to me that because I'm not parroting talking points for one side or the other, I'm accused of being biased.
I don't buy into the rigid ideologies of the left or the right. I listen to them both, let the ideas swirl around my head for a while, and then I make a decision.
More people should try it.
SpannTV 2 years ago
Yet you clearly took THE leftist stance (not moderate) in every step by step argument we had..interesting, according to you left of center is center.
tubaboy71 2 years ago
"Obama renewing Bush's Patriot Act Provisions " where was the lefts outrage?
tubaboy71 2 years ago
Hell, personally, I think the Patriot Act should be abolished altogether. But that's never going to happen. The American people have become paralyzed with fear, and in my opinion have given up too many of their freedoms for the sake of "security"
SpannTV 2 years ago
Have you been pulled over and searched?
Has your private life been dug into?
Could it be you by into one sides paranoia then excusing it when that same side keeps using it?
tubaboy71 2 years ago
Are you kidding? Of course I've been pulled over and searched. I've even been arrested for a petty crime, that ironically had to do with me looking for work. Long story though.
Are my phone calls being monitored or my internet activity looked into. I have no idea. Maybe, maybe not. I would lean more towards maybe so.
I don't really understand your third question.
SpannTV 2 years ago
Were you pulled over and searched for domestic terrorist reasons via the Patriot Act? My guess would be no.
Did you listen to the news where leftists were upset about the Patriot Act?
tubaboy71 2 years ago
I was actually pulled aside for a security check at the airport because my name was on the terror watch list. How it ended up there I don't since I was once worked for ATA and Northwest Airlines as a Ramp Agent, which means, I had already gone through background checks. It was a misunderstanding of course, but that didn't help me make my damn flight.
SpannTV 2 years ago
Ouch they should have a way to know who is who
tubaboy71 2 years ago
No I took a stance that was left of YOU. So no matter what I said, you saw it as being left wing. Even went so far as to try to put words in my mouth.
I can't be put into any of your lil boxes.
SpannTV 2 years ago
Ah ok so what is your take on Rep Massa?
tubaboy71 2 years ago
With all the scandals that the Democrats have had these last few weeks, it's kind of hard to keep up. I'm not educated enough on the situation to give an opinion on that.
SpannTV 2 years ago
Look it up and look for his radio interview from this past weekend, I think you will be shocked.
tubaboy71 2 years ago
Cool - good talk, I hope that anyone, no matter your color or faith or nationality will open there eyes and see that our Constitution is no longer being followed by our elected leaders - including president Obama. That and the outrageous debt that Washington is piling up is what the Tea Party movement is about. I'm
Longeno55 2 years ago
Quick question to my new conservative friends. I call you friends because even though we can disagree on a number of things, we can still at least be respectful in our correspondence.
But my question is regarding Glenn Beck, exactly how much influence does he have with this movement. I've seen a lot of footage of tea partiers praising this man, as the one who woke them up so to speak. How do you reconcile that with his accusations of Obama being racist?
SpannTV 2 years ago
No worse than being called racist and fascist by leftists whom use those words on ANYONE who disagrees with the democrats agenda.
tubaboy71 2 years ago
The democrats do not have fringe left wing movements in it? SDS, Black Panthers, socialists and communist movements. Birthers were started from the democrats as well as the truther movement. A reasonable person brings this up they are shot down as racists or nut jobs even though anyone who pays attention knows this is indeed true.
tubaboy71 2 years ago
Actually, "truthers" have been marginalized by just about everyone including those on the left. Nobody takes the New Black Panther Party seriously. Birthers indeed started with Democrats but that's not where it stayed.
SpannTV 2 years ago
You have a whole bunch of groups that nobody takes seriously then on the left, but then again nobody is calling out those groups even though they actively get into the act at large protests. Anyother funny thing is the use of non-profit "non-partisan" groups on the left who are pretty partisan.
tubaboy71 2 years ago
These fringe groups that you talk about are movements unto themselves, most rational people look at them as wackos and the keep them in their own lil corner. The problem is with the tea party, the fringes have been able to attach themselves to that movement. And the tea party hasn't done much at all to distance itself from it.
And you should be smart enough to know that "non-partisan" groups are on both sides of the isle. That's NOT exclusive to the left or the right.
SpannTV 2 years ago
You are 100% biased or ignorant as the Tea Party is made up of MANY groups as well.
The left uses non-partisan groups much more.
tubaboy71 2 years ago
How is that being biased? When you just CONFIRMED what I just said! I said these fringes have been able to attach themselves to your movement and I haven't seen much of an effort of tea partiers to distance themselves from those fringe elements.
9/11 truthers are a movement unto themselves, and even people on the left hold them in contempt.
And regardless to who uses them more or less, the fact of the matter is it is a tactic that is used by BOTH sides
SpannTV 2 years ago
The left has not and never has distanced themselves from its fringe elements. Closest thing to that is when Obama removed the new black panthers from his website and hamas from his website when it became politically expediant to do so.
tubaboy71 2 years ago
Oh really? How often do you see 9/11 truthers on any mainstream media outlets other than to be ridiculed? Hell, even Bill Maher, who is pretty leftist, kicked a bunch of them out of his audience during a show. How often do you EVER see the "New Black Panthers" on any mainstream media outlets other than FOX depicted as a left wing group? Don't worry, I'll wait.......
Hell even the Klan "endorsed" Obama, I guess that means you think he agrees with the Klan and their views as well. Be For Real!
SpannTV 2 years ago
You proved my point 100% with "outlets other than FOX" comment. Hamas and New Black Panthers were on Obama's website for weeks and when it became clear it would cost him he took it down. Keep over looking it because that is the very thing I am talking about from my first post. You and your ilk are trying to say the tea party are fringe and all fringe while pretending leftist fringes don't matter. Who the hell cares about Bill Maher? Are you saying he is a leftist operative?
tubaboy71 2 years ago
LMAO! Proved your point, to the contrary. What I'm saying is, if the media has a left wing slant, and these are left wing groups, than why aren't these groups getting any attention on the left??? Why aren't any of their causes promoted on the left??? Because the left despises them almost as much as YOU despise them. Nobody takes them seriously, and like I said before they are marginalized and left to their little corner.
SpannTV 2 years ago
Simple they are unsavory. They are leftists so they are acceptable behind the scenes. Just like the LEFT media hides things about leftist politicians.
Most leftists will claim Obama is a centrist (LMAO) when infact he is a statist/socialistic at least. Call him a marxist or a socialist the left will laugh but then defend socialism and marxism.......
tubaboy71 2 years ago
Where is your proof of that? I guess the left wing media didn't get the memo that they weren't supposed to report on John Edward's affairs, or Charles Rangel tax evasion and ethics scandals, or Gov. Patterson of New York, and the trouble he got himself into. Or Rod Blagojevich and so on and so forth. If anything it just seems to me that YOU are the biased one.
SpannTV 2 years ago
You are talking old stuff, what about Massa and Stark? All you did was question righty and you are defending lefty.You already dismissed lefty fringe falsely.
tubaboy71 2 years ago
Old stuff? Charles Rangel was just forced out of his Chairmanship of the Ways and Means Committee THIS WEEK as a result of ethics scandal. Gov. Paterson of New York, has JUST THIS WEEK announced that he's dropping out of his run to be re-elected as Governor as a result of his own ethics scandals. LOL
SpannTV 2 years ago
Massa and Stark are newer and Rangel should have been gone a year ago
tubaboy71 2 years ago
And your assertion is that their scandals have been "hidden" and I'M the biased one??? LOL
It seems to me that now you want to change the argument from what wasn't being covered, to well what about these "new" scandals. I didn't know scandals that are just a week old, could be considered "OLD"
SpannTV 2 years ago
Where are they??? Only a few places are covering them with any details. Just like the liberal media tries to frame Stack as a right wing anti government fringe element as much as they can while ignoring the fact he quoted the communist manifesto and was pro government ran health care. Just like they try to paint the Pentigon shooter the same way throwing in every anti government detail they can without mentioning he was anti-Bush and a registered Democrat.
tubaboy71 2 years ago
Additionally, I take exception to your "You and your ilk" comment. I'm an independent, not an ideologue. I have not allegiance to the right or the left. I never said that leftest fringes don't matter. I said their fringes tend to be movements on their own. Not movements attached to a larger cause. And I questioned the Tea Party's zeal in distancing themselves from those groups.
SpannTV 2 years ago
Your point of view as an "independent" is pretty slanted. Ever been to a DNC rally? I have and I am telling you point blank in corners of those rallies there are VERY fringe elements. Can't wait to see what makes up Annabel Park's Coffee Party it should be a hoot!
tubaboy71 2 years ago
I said "Nobody takes them seriously, and like I said before they are marginalized and left to their little corner."
You said "Your point of view as an "independent" is pretty slanted. Ever been to a DNC rally? I have and I am telling you point blank in CORNERS of those rallies there are VERY fringe elements."
Thank you for proving my point.
SpannTV 2 years ago
LOL marginalized? Those "marginalized" leftist groups show up to leftist rallies to protest and organize for leftist movements.
tubaboy71 2 years ago
No, it's not "slanted" it's just not where YOU would like my view to be. Which is fine by me. We are all free to agree to disagree. You have your view, and I have mine.
SpannTV 2 years ago
Seems like I am talking to 2 different people, the one in your video and the one making comments. You claim in your video that no one organized against Bush. No they didn't call him a socialist the called him a fascist! They painted his pictures up as Hitler. That is not fringe? Olbermann called Bush a fascist how many times? Raise taxes? Bush cut taxes right down to the 2 lowest tax brackets.
tubaboy71 2 years ago
(sigh) NOBODY deemed Bush's Presidency a failure 6 months into his term. Bush's initial opposition came because of the Florida recounts and the Supreme Court decision to end those recounts in effect installing Bush into the White House. He wasn't seen as legitimate. Especially since he LOST on the popular vote. That's where his initial opposition came from.
SpannTV 2 years ago
Because Bush's budgets over 10 years were not going to run up the deficit 10+ trillion dollars before intrest???? Ahh so now you are talking about "popular" vote. Are you saying Bush cheated? Did they change the rules for Bush?
tubaboy71 2 years ago
Did I say Bush cheated??? No. I said that's where Bush's initial opposition came from. The majority of Americans in 2000 didn't vote for Bush, and yet he was President.
I didn't say they changed the rules for him either. The situation had never come up before. But as it stands, he's the only POTUS to ever be put in office by a decision from the Supreme Court.
SpannTV 2 years ago
So now you are saying his win in Florida needed to win the election is tainted or it was so close that Gore wanted to press the issue to see if he could win Florida?
tubaboy71 2 years ago
I don't like repeating myself. Read what I said. There isn't any underlying statement behind it. Thank you.
SpannTV 2 years ago
Yes there was you are saying that he HAD to win by the supreme court, when infact the only reason it went there was because Gore and the dems didn't like the outcome otherwise. I voted for Gore but I also felt he acted like a baby about it.
tubaboy71 2 years ago
Gore didn't even win his own state in 2000 fyi.
tubaboy71 2 years ago
I said he was the only president ever to be put there by a Supreme Court Decision. PERIOD. Don't put words in my mouth.
Secondly there were large numbers of voter irregularity in Florida, and to deny that is just flat out dishonest.
SpannTV 2 years ago
You neglect to mention the simple fact that Gore did not conceed.........
tubaboy71 2 years ago
And what does that have to do with the price of tea in China??? Not a damn thing.
SpannTV 2 years ago
Ahh maybe has something to due with the simple fact of WHY it went to the supreme court?
tubaboy71 2 years ago
Why concede if there is something going on with the numbers? If it were the other way around, I suspect the actions would have been about the same.
SpannTV 2 years ago
Ahh so would your stance have been the same had Al Gore won?
tubaboy71 2 years ago
Secondly, Bush did exactly the OPPOSITE of what he campaigned on. Like having a smaller government, no nation buidling, so on and so forth. But what did he do? After 9/11 created a behemoth of a bureaucracy with the creation of the DHD, and then went into a pre-emptive war with a country that had none of the weapons he swore they had, and in effect we as a nation have had to rebuild THAT country. Add that to the fact that Bush NEVER actually declared War on Iraq.
SpannTV 2 years ago
Ever hear of Operation Dessert Fox? Happened in 1998 look it up.
Might also want to look up the 600 tons of uranium the UN removed from Iraq after Saddam was removed. Do I agree with Bush? Not on too much as I never voted for him, but to accuse him of so much without looking at history and taking 9/11 out of the picture then reasserting it for political gain is a game all in itself.
tubaboy71 2 years ago
And lastly do you forget that right after 9/11 Bush had the HIGHEST approval ratings of any President ever at 90%. Do you think all of those people were just Republicans? He had a lot of independent voters and some Democrats on his side as well. Until of course he made that ill advised move to attack Iraq.
SpannTV 2 years ago
No I didn't forget any of that, thing is many leftists forget they were saying the EXACT same things as Bush was even 9 years before Bush. When it became unpopular is when the leftists flipped the script. If what you are saying is correct why wasn't Bush impeached? Why wasn't Chaney? Why can't the leftist prove any of their accusations about this even 6 years after the fact? The proof is there isn't it or isn't it?
tubaboy71 2 years ago
And again, this was YEARS into the Bush Presidency before the anti-war movement got going. And I NEVER SAID no one ever organized against Bush. I said no on on the right protested against Bush when it came to the War against Iraq or with the passage of the Patriot Act. (The annotation has been on the video for the longest time)
SpannTV 2 years ago
You are not following history at all. Where are the anti war protests when Al Gore goes on his global warming skits to make 100's of millions of dollars? Where are the anti war protests when Kerry speaks? Where are they when Clinton speaks? Clinton bombed Iraq in 1998.
tubaboy71 2 years ago
My poi