Trans women=people. Yes I would date and have a relationship with a trans woman, though identifying as a lesbian. It really shits when when people doubt my sexuality and call be bisexual just for wanting to sleep with a woman who happens to be trans.
You're preaching to the converted. I get what you are going through when dealing with the lesbian community. Many will be friends with me but they will never date me.
As a lesbian you stay strong girl and i'm sorry for the crap that transgendered people face i hate it and i think it is down to ignorance and stupidity babes all transgendered people are amazing cos you fight with us and have won us rights if i fell in love with a trans woman i would be proud honestly so please do not ever question yourself cos it is the dykes that have the problem .u are amazing stay strong love and respect
@LilithLevy I am not an LBG but to most striaghts and LBGs transwomen are not women(or transmen =/= men). I know you will disagree so let me put it this way..i liken it to a religious person demaning that I beleive in God(or vice versa)..you can't force people to say someone they don't beleive
I have been friends with dustin for a long time, he would come to Alpena and spend a week with me or so at a time, he was an average guy that's favorite color happened to be pink. With no thoughts on it, months passed my, I couldn't come in his room, I couldn't do his laundry, and I couldn't bother him at night. Eventually he told me over the internet, he was trans gendered. I was shocked that he hadn't told me sooner, but nearly all his serious secrets are out, now I have pink shoes all over :D
I mean... Its just not normal, hate me for saying it. Now i can deal with a gay, but to change yourself?? That like being a gender poser-- Your a poser, just like culture posers or ppl who want to be goth prep, emo and gangsta all in one week. I just think its a form of self hatred and you should love your self for the way you were born. You were born a man :-) or a woman-- which ever, love yourself. Embrace what was given to you, your gender is the best gift any human can havea. u play a role
@Naruto4479 you say this because your gender(how you identify) matches what sex you were born(whats between your legs). you see it as self hate because if you were to change your sex it would be damaging to how you are as a person. The self hate if your trans is not to transition to meet the expeditions of people like yourself that can't understand it. To embrace who you truly are is exactly what we are doing when we change your sex. its not being a poser its being true to yourself.
I think the lesbians you speak of just hate anybody with XY chromosomes. They may have had bad experiences with them, or just have an identity issue themselves, where they want everybody to see them as somebody who is intolerant of men. Obviously not all lesbians are like this, but just the ones with the personalities you are highlighting.
I am a Lesbian. I have a MtF friend, so I'm a bit more in touch with what they have to deal with.
I consider who you are on the inside to be the most important thing. However it's just impossible for me to be attracted to men, just no. haha
But if I was in that situation you mentioned, I would definitely not let it be an issue. I would actually probably think it could be an opportunity! But it most definitely not change how attracted I was.
I have to agree with everything you said, and as a Trans Girl who identifies as a Lesbian I know plenty of Lesbians who would rather just talk to me than actually be with me. I also know some who do date Trans Guys and as you said they have hairy chests etc and thats not feminine, also its like what you said they dont wanna get to know the person that we are
I have to agree with everything you said, and as a Trans Girl I know plenty of Lesbians who would rather just talk to me than actually be with me. I also know some who do date Trans Guys and as you said they have hairy chests etc and thats not feminine, also its like what you said they dont wanna get to know the person that we are
I'm a gay man and I'm attracted to tiny butch men. I think a lot of trans men are HOT. I've never been with one but I'm open to it. None of the gay men I've told this to have a problem with it but it confuses them as they are so focused on the "between the legs" issue.
Lesbians stick together more than you'd think. A lot of my friends are lesbians. Most of their friends are lesbians. All the lesbians I know hang with other lesbians or lesbros (straight guys who hang with lesbians).
People who talk about themselves as part of a "community", or also sometimes refer to themselves as a "we" during a conversation, have some kind of a problem. It's not only a lesbian thing.
I've noticed people talking like this more often in the last few years.
People are individuals, not some cog in a made up group.
I don't want to get into a sociology debate, but in a post-industrial society people often suppliment family with like-minded people from a social group. People usually associate with coworkers or colleagues, and befriend others in the same professional field. People do the same thing in minority groups.
Is a family a community? Wouldn't the people in tight-knit social groups be the same?
Wouldn't the people in tight-knit social groups be the same?
Not necessarily , but I understand that it is human nature to try to surround oneself with like minded people who will not challenge each others views.
1) a group of people living in particular local area
2) a social, religious, occupational, or other group sharing common characteristics or interests and perceived or perceiving itself as distinct in some respect from the larger society within which it exists
3) a unified body of individuals
:From the latin "communio" meaning "sharing in common"
How are families/gay people not a community again?
@Silveracity Not exactly. I know that I am 100% lesbian and perfectly sane in the head. I never had any attraction for bio men or transmen. I'm goldstar all the way. I personally wouldn't be intimate with a MTF but I would and do accept them as women. They're just not my cup of tea.
@RagingBear101 Here is my question to you, if you meet a woman that you were attracted to and she turn out to be a post op MTF and looked compeltly female with or with out clothes on, would you still be ok dating them or would you not because of they why they were born?
As a panromantic, asexual, trans-woman I have run into the same issues you mention with pretty much all non-trans men and women. I only seemed to get interest from males who fetishize me as a transsexual and who don't at all consider me a woman. All they want is to get off and since I am asexual the whole being a fetish object does nothing for me. So I accepted I would be alone... then I fell in love with another transwoman and now I wonder why it never occured to me before.
Better than I ever imagined, really, we just celebrated a year together. There is certainly a level of understanding that I can't imagine finding in a cisgendered partner.
Congrats! My partner is gender queer. My transition is very well taken, and I'm not sure I'd be as stable without help. It's sad to me that so many trans people are single.
It's so interesting to hear about the trans-lesbian experience. I used to think it must be so much easier to be accepted by a woman (as a partner), but I've read and heard PLENTY of accounts that tell me this is not the case. At least lesbians don't sexualize/fetishize transwomen like men do though(?)
that's a hard one I think Ignored but not lonely. I don't want a partner just for the company, I want a real life partner how I want to share my life with. I don't want just to be sexuality. I also won't be lonely I have lots of good friends to keep me company.
Trans women=people. Yes I would date and have a relationship with a trans woman, though identifying as a lesbian. It really shits when when people doubt my sexuality and call be bisexual just for wanting to sleep with a woman who happens to be trans.
Mira20Mira 1 month ago
You're preaching to the converted. I get what you are going through when dealing with the lesbian community. Many will be friends with me but they will never date me.
hannahr0071 2 months ago
Google this link for Transphobia in the U.K. .guardian.co.uk/world/2004/jan/31/gender.weekend7
jennyomalley 4 months ago
As a lesbian you stay strong girl and i'm sorry for the crap that transgendered people face i hate it and i think it is down to ignorance and stupidity babes all transgendered people are amazing cos you fight with us and have won us rights if i fell in love with a trans woman i would be proud honestly so please do not ever question yourself cos it is the dykes that have the problem .u are amazing stay strong love and respect
rhyukinfin 5 months ago
I'm a transwoman. The lgbt movement has alot of transphobia. I don't think that the average gay man gives a damn about transsexuals rights.
LilithLevy 6 months ago
@LilithLevy I am not an LBG but to most striaghts and LBGs transwomen are not women(or transmen =/= men). I know you will disagree so let me put it this way..i liken it to a religious person demaning that I beleive in God(or vice versa)..you can't force people to say someone they don't beleive
ubermisogynist 2 months ago
I have been friends with dustin for a long time, he would come to Alpena and spend a week with me or so at a time, he was an average guy that's favorite color happened to be pink. With no thoughts on it, months passed my, I couldn't come in his room, I couldn't do his laundry, and I couldn't bother him at night. Eventually he told me over the internet, he was trans gendered. I was shocked that he hadn't told me sooner, but nearly all his serious secrets are out, now I have pink shoes all over :D
noBSbassGtarchick 9 months ago
I mean... Its just not normal, hate me for saying it. Now i can deal with a gay, but to change yourself?? That like being a gender poser-- Your a poser, just like culture posers or ppl who want to be goth prep, emo and gangsta all in one week. I just think its a form of self hatred and you should love your self for the way you were born. You were born a man :-) or a woman-- which ever, love yourself. Embrace what was given to you, your gender is the best gift any human can havea. u play a role
Naruto4479 9 months ago
@Naruto4479 you say this because your gender(how you identify) matches what sex you were born(whats between your legs). you see it as self hate because if you were to change your sex it would be damaging to how you are as a person. The self hate if your trans is not to transition to meet the expeditions of people like yourself that can't understand it. To embrace who you truly are is exactly what we are doing when we change your sex. its not being a poser its being true to yourself.
Fireflygamer 8 months ago
I think the lesbians you speak of just hate anybody with XY chromosomes. They may have had bad experiences with them, or just have an identity issue themselves, where they want everybody to see them as somebody who is intolerant of men. Obviously not all lesbians are like this, but just the ones with the personalities you are highlighting.
AnAscendingAngel 1 year ago
boy am I ever late to the discussion.....heheh
I am a Lesbian. I have a MtF friend, so I'm a bit more in touch with what they have to deal with.
I consider who you are on the inside to be the most important thing. However it's just impossible for me to be attracted to men, just no. haha
But if I was in that situation you mentioned, I would definitely not let it be an issue. I would actually probably think it could be an opportunity! But it most definitely not change how attracted I was.
Offensivebunny 1 year ago
I have to agree with everything you said, and as a Trans Girl who identifies as a Lesbian I know plenty of Lesbians who would rather just talk to me than actually be with me. I also know some who do date Trans Guys and as you said they have hairy chests etc and thats not feminine, also its like what you said they dont wanna get to know the person that we are
Kerri36982 1 year ago
I have to agree with everything you said, and as a Trans Girl I know plenty of Lesbians who would rather just talk to me than actually be with me. I also know some who do date Trans Guys and as you said they have hairy chests etc and thats not feminine, also its like what you said they dont wanna get to know the person that we are
Kerri36982 1 year ago
I'm a gay man and I'm attracted to tiny butch men. I think a lot of trans men are HOT. I've never been with one but I'm open to it. None of the gay men I've told this to have a problem with it but it confuses them as they are so focused on the "between the legs" issue.
cavejourney 2 years ago
Anyone who believes they are part of a lesbian community, probably has some kind of issues.
Silveracity 2 years ago
Lesbians stick together more than you'd think. A lot of my friends are lesbians. Most of their friends are lesbians. All the lesbians I know hang with other lesbians or lesbros (straight guys who hang with lesbians).
darkwitchtori 2 years ago
People who talk about themselves as part of a "community", or also sometimes refer to themselves as a "we" during a conversation, have some kind of a problem. It's not only a lesbian thing.
I've noticed people talking like this more often in the last few years.
People are individuals, not some cog in a made up group.
Silveracity 2 years ago
@silveracity
I don't want to get into a sociology debate, but in a post-industrial society people often suppliment family with like-minded people from a social group. People usually associate with coworkers or colleagues, and befriend others in the same professional field. People do the same thing in minority groups.
Is a family a community? Wouldn't the people in tight-knit social groups be the same?
darkwitchtori 2 years ago
Is a family a community?
I don't think so.
Wouldn't the people in tight-knit social groups be the same?
Not necessarily , but I understand that it is human nature to try to surround oneself with like minded people who will not challenge each others views.
Silveracity 2 years ago
@silveracity
Community:
1) a group of people living in particular local area
2) a social, religious, occupational, or other group sharing common characteristics or interests and perceived or perceiving itself as distinct in some respect from the larger society within which it exists
3) a unified body of individuals
:From the latin "communio" meaning "sharing in common"
How are families/gay people not a community again?
darkwitchtori 2 years ago
You are, of course, free to feel that you are part of any community you wish.
I do find it very interesting that you believe the things you do.
Thanks for answering my comments.
Silveracity 2 years ago
@Silveracity Not exactly. I know that I am 100% lesbian and perfectly sane in the head. I never had any attraction for bio men or transmen. I'm goldstar all the way. I personally wouldn't be intimate with a MTF but I would and do accept them as women. They're just not my cup of tea.
RagingBear101 10 months ago
@RagingBear101 Here is my question to you, if you meet a woman that you were attracted to and she turn out to be a post op MTF and looked compeltly female with or with out clothes on, would you still be ok dating them or would you not because of they why they were born?
Fireflygamer 8 months ago
As a panromantic, asexual, trans-woman I have run into the same issues you mention with pretty much all non-trans men and women. I only seemed to get interest from males who fetishize me as a transsexual and who don't at all consider me a woman. All they want is to get off and since I am asexual the whole being a fetish object does nothing for me. So I accepted I would be alone... then I fell in love with another transwoman and now I wonder why it never occured to me before.
kyndra1966 2 years ago
How is that working out for you?
darkwitchtori 2 years ago
Better than I ever imagined, really, we just celebrated a year together. There is certainly a level of understanding that I can't imagine finding in a cisgendered partner.
kyndra1966 2 years ago
Congrats! My partner is gender queer. My transition is very well taken, and I'm not sure I'd be as stable without help. It's sad to me that so many trans people are single.
darkwitchtori 2 years ago
It's so interesting to hear about the trans-lesbian experience. I used to think it must be so much easier to be accepted by a woman (as a partner), but I've read and heard PLENTY of accounts that tell me this is not the case. At least lesbians don't sexualize/fetishize transwomen like men do though(?)
whatisbeneath 2 years ago
Is it better to be sexualized and dating or ignored and lonely?
darkwitchtori 2 years ago
Depends on your preference I guess. I;d rather be neither!
whatisbeneath 2 years ago
that's a hard one I think Ignored but not lonely. I don't want a partner just for the company, I want a real life partner how I want to share my life with. I don't want just to be sexuality. I also won't be lonely I have lots of good friends to keep me company.
fireflygirl246 2 years ago