Star Trek: TNG - "The Outcast" - 'I Am Tired of Lies' Scene

[JimsGeminiTube]

Lady GaGa - Burn This Way. I think she got some lyrics from this

[Seaworldexists]

@JimsGeminiTube Lmfao I was actually just listening to that song before watching this.

[PrairieOasos]

This episode fails to acknowledge Earth's own sexual orientation/gender identity based prejudice and discrimination. The space alien that Riker falls for was suppose to be played by a male actor, instead all of the aliens look like stereotypical 'male hating' lesbians. The (original) script made it clear that the issue was oppression based on sexual orientation and that sort of injustice was against what Starfleet believed.

[lemonrind]

LOL, the judge is the woman who thought Elaine's name was Suzie on Seinfeld.

[eurovizio2010]

ST TNG: And yes I am still Doctor Beverly Crusher and I dont love you ! :-P

ST DS9 WOW Dax you are HOT ! :-)

St DP9 Quark stay away from me 2 billion light years !

[thefatman69dude]

"u must think we are a cruel, repressive people but nothing could be further from the truth"........followed with a description of how they dominate their culture, rule over their peoples sexuality, and dictate who they must be.....but oh no, totally not repressive or cruel.....

[Seattlecarnut]

I love this episode. This reminds me of what gays and lesbians have been trying to tell us for years.

[SisterEstelle]

Being a Woman of Transition, this episode touched me deeply. To have the issue of transgender flipped in another world, where all are neither and to choose is forbidden.................

[TheGreenVoter]

"My attitude toward homosexuality has changed. I came to the conclusion that I was wrong. I was never someone who hunted down 'fags' as we used to call them on the street. I would, sometimes, say something anti-homosexual off the top of my head because it was thought, in those days, to be funny. I never really deeply believed those comments, but I gave the impression of being thoughtless in these areas. I have, over many years, changed my attitude about gay men and women."

--Gene Roddenberry

[TheGreenVoter]

What the ..?! There was NOTHING wrong with this episode, "gocsa," shut the fuck up!

[gocsa]

The intent of the episode was good, but boy was it done poorly.

[kylecoriza]

The first time I saw this episode was when I was a just 10-year-old. It was summer and I was going to enter into midde school soon.

This became my favorite episode because I took relate to it. I wasn't like the other girls in my school and I saw this episode before I hear the word "Transgender".

I came out at 8th grade. I gave a speech similar to Soren's. It wasn't easy........ But, I didn't became broken like poor Soren :(

I'm getting my first chest-binder soon :)

I'm 16.

[wanderyonder23]

My best friend of many years is transsexual.  In the 10 years since she's transitioned from male to female, and for long before, she has had to endure so much criticism and ridicule for wanting to be the person she is. This scorn has come from so many places, everyone from complete strangers to her own family, and yet, she perseveres. She is not afraid to be the person she knows she is, no matter what the consequences. I watched this episode last night, and it hit all too close to home for me.

[IzzyData]

This episode was so depressing. They just recondition her and then she doesn't believe what she used to. Riker tries to rescue her but she tells him to leave and they never see eachother again.

[TheGreenVoter]

"My attitude toward homosexuality has changed. I came to the conclusion that I was wrong. I was never someone who hunted down 'fags' as we used to call them on the street. I would, sometimes, say something anti-homosexual off the top of my head because it was thought, in those days, to be funny. I never really deeply believed those comments, but I gave the impression of being thoughtless in these areas. I have, over many years, changed my attitude about gay men and women."

--Gene Roddenberry

[trekforphotos]

This seen is brilliant truly ahead of its time!!

[RoflmaoRob]

@trekforphotos

So true...Star Trek has always been ahead of its time, really.

[TheGreenVoter]

"Treks also always worn its left wing heart on its sleeve."

And proud of it!

[bumblebert]

Trek is always best when it does "issue" episodes. Treks also always worn its left wing heart on its sleeve. A really good episode.

[NiBelangrijk]

omg, i saw the movie , that and this really make me wish that they make another series, my generation has the need to get our noses pushed on the facts. And what better way than to do that through a popular and highly entertaining sci fi series?

Nowadays there's nothing similar to this

[TheGreenVoter]

"You have to admit, it'd be pretty uncomfortable if Soren was actually played by a man."

Uncomfortable for WHO?

[beaubrent]

Gay rights argument in a nutshell.

[texanhoustonguy]

never saw this part of the two-parter, but a powerful one. and yes, it was a nod about gay folks. you can say it's 'political', but no more than the famous black on one side and white on the other episode from the original series. a request for 'understanding and compassion' is not an unreasonable request. we're often your family and closest friends and live noble lives.

[Sei1863]

Suck my Trek, Anita Bryant!

Good old socially conscious star trek!

[Browned79]

The Star Trek franchise has had many great chances to intelligently deal with sexual orientation and gender identity issues. They tended to chose cop outs. The episode offers something of a cop-out because Soren and all the aliens are clearly played by female actors. This creates an impression of militant lesbians from outer space trying to oppress heterosexuals. Their is no discussion of earth's past homophobia or even a mention about the right to sexual orientation...

[TheGreenVoter]

@Browned79 Very good point. It wouldn't have taken any effort for a POSITIVE member of the crew to have been overtly gay, and yes, it would've allowed for an episode or two to address "Earth's past homophobia" just as the DS9 episode Far Beyond the Stars addressed white supremacy. Writing sci fi, like anything else in life, requires COURAGE; one must be willing to tell the advertisers, "You're gonna fund this because I said so!"

[LivesForJihad]

I hate fags!

Burn them down!

[TheLostMedici]

Awesome post and speech - so relevant.

[pfiberoptik]

I'd tap that gender neutral ass. I'd "cure" her with some cock treatments.

[TheGreenVoter]

And before any other cowards cry out, "Stop the politics," keep in mind that Uganda is trying to pass a law which would punish homosexuality with the death penalty. Y'all can hide behind video games and American Idol the same way ancient Rome hid behind bread & circuses, but that still won't change the fact that people's lives are at stake. Help out!

Fuck Leviticus -- if anything, God created homosexuality to keep the population down, so we should be thanking gays! Ever watch Soylent Green?

[TheGreenVoter]

"That dream died when I realized Star Trek wasn't real."

All too many whites get off on being snide, stuck-up and cynical. Those WMDs in Iraq weren't real and yet Dubya still ain't been tried for war crimes against Humanity, so clearly, America doesn't give a damn about what's real.

Star Trek inspires people to strive for something greater than themselves. How dare you put that down? Dr. Mae Jemison, the first black female astronaut, joined N.A.S.A. BECAUSE of Trek, you imbecile! God!

[sdgdsgs]

lol, i loved this episode. the planet of the gays who discriminate against straights! haha

[Adagio2424]

thank you for posting episodes i have to say watching these episodes again is awesome reminds me of when i was a kid and wanted to be an astronaut unfortunatly that dream died when i realized star trek wasnt real

[Gilwen3]

I agree stop with the politics, chill out, take this video however you want and let others take it the way they want relax

[Feandil]

Stop with the politics kids.

[guruguruponchan27]

I think it would have been bolder not to merely allude to homosexuality but to represent it. I like the message it's trying to get across but sometimes it really bothers me that there was never a single gay character in any of the series or movies.

[IdleBigots]

Bravo!

I wish they had stuck with this series and not gone on to other ones. TNG was the best.

[sondano]

@IdleBigots Correnct. The two Roddenberry creations are Star Trek. TOS and TNG. Everything else is fake.

[Star841]

I forgot to add at the end of my comment: Human Rights!

[Star841]

Yes, a great episode. Perhaps this should have been shown to voters of Prop 8 in California and Amend. 2 in Florida.

[bumnumbum]

These scenes were incredible when I first watched many years ago. Thank you for sharing.

[sammycut1]

I read that Jonathan Frakes wanted a male cast in the role but the producers decided against it. That would have been really cool, but as it is, it's a great episode.

[breakingthehabit2008]

Awesome!

[Lyktwz]

TNG is the best SciFi series ever.

This Episode is simply awesome...

[JNilsson1976]

I agree, but i must say that TNG does this far better then the other series, they have better actors and better script

[animeownage86]

People condemn Star trek without even bothering to watch scenes such as this. It really angers me and this issue is now more out in the open in the news then it was when this first aired other episodes dealing with terrorism, religious fanatics, and government witch hunts are also more relevant. examples TNG: The High Ground, The Drumhead, DS9: In the Hands of the Prophets, ENT: Chosen Realm are all episodes people should watch and there lessons taken to heart.

[JasonOnEarth]

Exactly! Star Trek touches on many issues related to humanity. Different alien species magnify our personality traits and who we are. To me, it's almost philosophical and can be very deep. Sadly many people fail to "get" that part of ST, trivializing the awesomeness of this series. What do others think? Thanks for your unique input! :-)

[Psy0pAgent]

They are called Moral Plays.

[sondano]

@JasonOnEarth compared to other TV shows I actually think ST is the least trivialized. Actually it's the only TV show that means much more for a lot of people than just a TV show. Other stuff has fans. ST has followers

[frantic1971]

I remember this episode. While it was appreciated it was still very coy about the subject of homosexuality. TNG was very provocative in so many ways--why couldn't they have been more so with this subject?

[mnewman1985]

Yes and No.

What they did is typical for TNG.

Instead of telling the audience how bad they often treat homosexuals, they create a situation where the "straight" love between genders, between man and woman is forbidden. By doing so they turn the perspectives around and bring the "normal" audience into the situation of "gays".

By recognizing how stupid the forbiddance is in this situation the "normal" audience also has to recognize how stupid the forbiddance or vilification of homosexuality is.

[mnewman1985]

Yes and No.

What they did is typical for TNG.

Instead of telling the audience how bad they often treat homosexuals, they create a situation where the "straight" love between genders, between man and woman is forbidden. By doing so they turn the perspectives around and bring the "normal" audience into the situation of "gays".

By recognizing how stupid the forbiddance is in this situation the "normal" audience also has to recognize how stupid the forbiddance or vilification of homosexuality is.

[Dauphin35]

The difference being that homosexual attraction is intrinsically disordered, while heterosexual and asexual reproduction are both perfectly natural. A meaningful parallel cannot be drawn.

[naard]

define 'disordered'? and if by 'natural' you mean 'observed to exist in nature without the intervention of humans' then it is natural, as homosexual behavior has been observed in more than one animal species.

[Dauphin35]

Intrinsically disordered means "contrary to a thing's very nature". Homosexual attraction does not proceed from a genuine sexual complementarity. It is a misuse of the sexual faculty - a perversion.

Homosexual acts contradict the law inscribed on nature itself.

Homosexuality is not "natural" in the sense that heterosexuality and asexuality are because it defies the essential reproductive purpose of the sexual faculty.

[naard]

how can a thing done be contrary to one's nature? by definition, if one does it, it IS your nature. as for misuse...and purpose of the sexual faculty...i'd argue that 'purpose' is a thing defined by people, not by nature. a thing in nature has a function or an effect...but not a purpose (as that implies intent) a thing that an insensate universe does not have. sex has more than one purpose, pleasure being one 'purpose' for which humans have sex...

[naard]

...as for "Homosexual acts contradict the law inscribed on nature itself." huh? nature sure keeps producing it, so it must not mind so much. since it can't 'decide' to break its own rules (true laws of nature being unbreakable, like the speed of light or gravity) it must be producing it according to its rules. if then it is natural by this standard, the only thing i can think of is that you say this from a moral standpoint, since it doesn't pass muster according to your intended argument.

[dorianleakey]

The law inscribed on nature itself? BY WHOM?

You seem to be using a certain style of writing to make your argument appear more sophisticated. Unfortunately sounding scientific is not the same as a rational argument.

[BorgHub]

in the begining why does Riker call Soren a 'she' infront of the judge if he tries to convince them that Soren is 'normal' without gender

[JasonOnEarth]

I guess it beats calling the being "it." Or? Hrrm. Good question and it's impressive you "assimilated" that detail. I will now assimilate the data. :-)

[Ulrna]

@BorgHub because the pronoun "it" was already coined by some clown..

[donnay42]

Bitch is brainwashed happy at the end of the episode :-P Nice speech though.

[JasonOnEarth]

Yup, this is what happens when people in charge limit freedom of speech, sexual orientation, etc. People LOSE.

[RoflmaoRob]

@donnay42

"bitch"?

Sorry, that I don't agree with.

Brainwashing = mind control = not Sorens fault....I think it's wrong to be insulting her for what others did to her.

[camselle]

VERY obvious gay overtones here...

[aeiouy123]

I miss this eps... and ST - TNG in general.

[LMUli]

i hope something like this will be in stxi.