BSD v. GPL, Jason Dixon, NYCBSDCon 2008

[barterpc]

I think honestly it's like comparing the Magna Carta to the Constitution. The BSD license being the Magna Carta of course. BSD was a step in the right direction. It had it's time and it preserved certain rights for developers. However, as soon as it was realized that corporations like Microsoft could abuse the BSD license the GNU revolution was started. It's an inevitable thing. Once one system of doing something begins to fail people thing of a new and improved way.... and it will happen again.

[Rubdos]

Any option I can click Like twenty times? With YT registering it, offcourse

[Rubdos]

LOOOOL, the presentor is a BSD freak :D I'm a GPL guy, but it was fantastic!!

[phopojijo]

So it's okay for organizations to build products on the back of BSD code and completely limit freedom completely except explicit licensees, but not products that limits freedom except the freedoms carried through to end users?

There's room for every license if properly used. Yes GPL is overused, but it makes complete sense for a product with a lot of dependent art to ensure ongoing and free (community & consortium) support for said art. IE: Linux. If trust was everything, why copyright at all?

[himalde]

We need both. GPL keeps the code free, BSD give the users all freedoms. Let the author decide what freedom is most important to him.

[bobdole57]

If i rewrote emacs so it was actually usable for example, never publicly released it. Hypothetically Richard Stallman could sue me. If i sent a binary only copy to my friend without my source code (by accident mind you) Richard Stallman **would** sue me.

That my friends, is your GPL/Copyleft license.

[anticomuna]

BSD is about giving the freedom to multinational corporations to take your stuff without paying, the GPL is about protecting the freedom of the individual developer and small company against abuse from multinational corporations. This video is so dumb, it is beyond belief.

[bobdole57]

@anticomuna

Thats total BSD. Anyone can take GPL'ed software right? Red hat and Oracle and sell GPL software right? But you're really against Microsoft Windows using the BSD TCP/IP stack?

Thats what your hangup is?

All you anti-BSD license people are stuck in this false religious war thing. its stupid when you get right down too it. Red Hat's whole business is making money off of linux. Selling Linux (legally) GPL'ed LINUX.

And you complain about "stealing" BSD code? Bah.

[anticomuna]

This presentation was lame. In what planet working without being properly compensated is "capitalistic"? The BSD license allows companies just to take people's work without paying. I have no problem in sharing my programs with other developers, but if some company wants my work then they better pay me! BSD sucks!!

[bobdole57]

@Hax0rPr0n

One of the strengths, I would argue, of the BSD license is that code can be used in commercial software. Its not like the programmer is involuntarily being robbed. Its a choice. The coder can use BSD code commercially as well anyway.

Basically, what I am saying is, if I release something under a BSD license the fact that it might make its way into commercial projects if its really good is a GOOD thing.

[anticomuna]

@bobdole57 "Basically, what I am saying is, if I release something under a BSD license the fact that it might make its way into commercial projects if its really good is a GOOD thing. " Good for whom? You won't see a cent of it. I would rather delete all my projects than let some company profit off my work without paying me.

[bobdole57]

@anticomuna

They aren't profiting off your work. If you put out BSD code, sure someone can sell it. People sell Linux too and its GPL. The difference is the BSD license lets them change your code and sell it. They have to improve it if they want to be able to sell it really. Because your BSD code is still freely available. Who is going to buy something thats free? Ask those RedHat guys...

[SuperPuffelchen]

laaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa­aaaaaaaaaangweilig.

[PowerExpress]

Except that most of this was complete !#$ it was actually quite good, until the mention of Stallman being a communist. That was completely unnecessary. I really didn't like watching this.

[bobdole57]

@PowerExpress

Wait, Stallman isn't a communist?

[TheChewanater]

11:00 Lie! The FSF encourages selling software.

[elchippe]

bsd, zip, lpgl ect for libraries and gpl for software.

[elchippe]

@elchippe software = programs

[stefankangas]

Unfortunately, he's only preaching to the choir. His audience is people who already agrees with him (i.e. visitors at a BSD conference), which I believe is part of the reason why his arguments are so weak.

[FearedBliss]

Not really, what he is saying is common sense and extremely simple. That's how it should be, simple.

[stefankangas]

Referring to "common sense" and a supposed "simplicity" of one's own opinion might win some cheap points with people who are already in agreeance. Those statements are not really arguments though; again, it's just preaching to the choir.

I like a well informed debate, but this speech will not win over anyone. He did bring down a few laughs at a BSD conference. If that was his aim, then fine, he did well. But it doesn't make his arguments any stronger.

[FearedBliss]

I definitely agree with you. It's not really a debate what he is doing but he is right in what he says. Except for the part that he believes the GPL is communism, for that, it depends how you take it.

[nommyz]

@stefankangas tldr; just like the gpl you leftist you

[ikemkrueger]

Lot of punches under the girth, not much/weak arguments.. Was entertaining, but not "enlightening".. What a shame.. :(

[ikemkrueger]

15:25 "BSD code can be stolen"

Developer makes a code. Company takes the code, modify them and sell the program. The company makes a freaking huge amount of money, the developer has no benefits from it.. Example: Apple!

[KusuriRX]

@ikemkrueger

Apple is a bad example of this, Apple contributes an ass load upstream.

[bobdole57]

@ikemkrueger

Developers CHOOSE to use the BSD license. Its totally freakin' voluntary.

Most anti-BSD license people have these false ideas that somehow having your code used in commercial projects or other things is somehow hurtful. Simply not the case. If I am going to release code, why not let people use it in proprietary software. Why not let them modify it and relicense it? MAKES NO DIFFERENCE TO ME, in fact in the end all it can do is good. So I chose BSD.

[ikemkrueger]

15:00 "more restrictions == less freedom"

You need to make some restrictions to provide freedom. It's always about the balance between restriction/freedom.

[daemonpoet]

@ikemkrueger Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety. -- Ben Franklin

This is true of both copyright and copyleft.

[marlls1989]

This year I chose to not go to the FISL in my own home town (Porto Alegre) because it was filthy with all those GNUtards, include Stellman.

Worse, last year Novell was alowed to participate, this year, maybe one of the few right parts on the whole FOSS, was some how purged as if they ofended the gnu party taking a step closer to the evil empire microsoft.

Go mono, go BSD, go Haiku, take your chance to show them all that busines arent evil.

[redwolf2222]

Baaaah, its an one sided video with a ++ for BSD.

Both licenses have their role. BSD thrusts too much in good people than forcing them to do the right thing.

[Sonixant]

LOLLLLLL great video! BSD rocks, GPL sucks

[MikeyIckey]

I love this guy's talks.

[MountThor]

Totally awesome video!!! You pegged it!!!

Thanks... I've posted it along with an indepth article at "paths to knowledge period net" search for "BSD GPL".

One point is that Che-Stallman (excellent graphic t-shirt of the dictator at link above) is not focused on most developers but on end users who don't care much about the source code. It's developers who care about source code and they are the ones hurt by the GPL's imposed limitations.

Can't even load a GPL dll - how crazy is that!

[fryers23]

Awesome! Well worth listening to!

[DeepAlexander]

I laughed my way through this, really great :)

[GegoXaren]

some of what he says is wrong, the GPL does not hinder the sale or redistrubusion of code...

look at RedHat an Novell, they sell there distros of GNU/Linux, they do not sell the software they sell services... that is how it works, mon.

I would not say that RMS is a communist he has had many buissnises to pay for his development of software.

[rickcSMF]

I'd double check your facts, and or a dictionary. HE said hinder, not prohibit. I'll help you out

Hinder-

1. To be or get in the way of.

2. To obstruct or delay the progress of.

& the thing about RMS, it was a joke (as far as I could tell) there is no single word to describe him ...

[therrydicule]

If you triple check: Mac osx, Tru64,Ultrix.

[sindrome123]

fact - Stallman is a communist....CLASSIC! Had me laughing out loud. You should have put a clip of him singing his "hackers song" in that presentation.

[lonelytigerhun]

Funny and informative. Just like "BSD is Dying"