My best friend had been doing taekwando since she was little, and I'm starting MMA training this summer. Since we met about 4 years ago, she's been begging me to hurry up and train because she wanted us to fight and see which skill is better.
I have a feeling she would totally win, but I should really send her this video...
First of, most of you guys commenting about oh mma is shit.. or this is dumb that is better this is for gays.. etc etc etc about this video obviously fail to understand that they are sparring and not trying to kill each others.
Complete bs. Just like the Gracie's propoganda videos, where they went round dojos offering to fight the instructors, cherry-picking chumps to demonstrate the superiority of Gracie Ju-Jitsu. Taekwondo, even WTF style, is pretty much just a sport. It's not much use as a fighting style, especially against people trained for MMA. These videos achieve nothing, besides demonstrating the arrogance of the MMA crowd. Only pick fights you know you can win, right guys? Pathetic.
@Five5six Yeah, right. Funny how when the Gracie's were out making propoganda challenge videos to sell Gracie Jujitsu prior to and after the first UFC, no-one set foot in a credited Kyokushinkai dojo. No-one's doubting the effectiveness of BJJ/MMA in "real" fights, I'm just questioning the marketing methodology of early BJJ sales tactics. They only picked chump fighters from chump styles to challenge. Pick a rated Kyokushinka fighter for us v them, not bozos practising mickey-mouse styles.
@Five5six Lol - Ichihara versus Royce Gracie: Double leg takedown within seconds followed by 5 minutes of Royce playing with him on the ground and basically taking the piss, before an armbar sub. Ichihara was a sub-par striker and atypical for hard-style strikers at the time, absolutely no defence against the takedown. Besides, you're missing the point. I was talking about the Gracie Ju-Jitsu propoganda videos, where they picked on a succession of kung-fu chumps to "prove" their style.
how is this all out, you guys aren't hitting each other? I see two guys playing around and you got the take down, and put a sloppy loose triangle on. The TKD guy probably doesn't know much about ground fighting and it seems you are just learning yourself.
A good comparison of martial art fighting styles its not, just two guys playing around.
@Nikko1Brown It is the style sometimes, Muay Thai is the deadliest hand to hand combat style, this has been proven. Brazilian Jiu Jitsu is the most efficient grapple style, also proven. Mix these two together, and you have an ultimate style.
@Eatmybologna yes, but what alot of people dont understand is mma does include many martial arts, but it does not include from a-z , but only bits in peices of the strongest moves and strikes from different martial arts, then combine in one. kinda like the frankenstine theory, his body parts were made from the strongest indvisuals, then brought to life. if frankenstine was used in theory of fighting, he is mma.
@Eatmybologna They are implying one guy is stricyly Taekwando and the other is mma, and just because he is an mma fighter doesn't mean he used Taekwando, even though the kicks are kicks.
@Eatmybologna yeh but mma fighter train at lots of different style but only become average at each while someone that sticks tonone style becoz good skilled fighters thats why most mma fights look like a street brawlm with random wild punches
@Eatmybologna What he means if the modern definition of MMA, as in the sport which is mainly comprised of Muay Thai, Brazilian Jiu Jitsu, Boxing, and Wrestling. While in the old sense of the phrase, and the technical sense of the phrase, TKD would be included in MMA, it really doesn't have anything to do with the modern sport.
@NekoJinRei Not true. Spinning back kicks and spinning back fists happen all the time, which come from TKD. Have you seen the video of GSP taking tips from Joe Rogan(TKD black belt) on his spinning back kick? TKD might not have the same influence as BJJ or Muay Thai, but MMA is MMA, and it includes all martial arts--TKD is no exception.
@MrGarky You're right. Let me rephrase my thoughts, because what I had previously written was incorrect. I still maintain that MMA is comprised MAINLY of Muay Thai, Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu, Boxing, and Wrestling, I have to retract what I said about TKD not being involved. Spinning back kicks and spinning back fists do happen often, and you're right I have seen Joe Rogan talking about them and their relation to TKD. What I should have said is that TKD has had an important but comparatively small
@MrGarky impact on the sport when you look at the other martial arts involved. So, in essence, I agree with a lot of what you are saying. I disagree with the last sentence though where you said that MMA includes all martial arts. There are many martial arts that really are not present in MMA competition, at least to the best of my knowledge.
@NekoJinRei I think you are spot on. The modern term of MMA is in sports terms really BJJ, thai boxing, boxing and wrestling. Anytime i get to train in any mma gyms/studios near me, they mainlhy teach the above. My own understanding of MMA is all martial arts in the world as it means a mixture whilst the sport is narrowed down to what has been proven to be more efficient for the needs of the octagon, ring etc.
@Eatmybologna true but i an mma practioner won't have tae kwon do in his particular background...unless he's studied tae kwon do. that all i'm saying.
MMA is an ever evolving fighting style. Traditional forms are not, which is their greatest fault. They were not designed for today's fighting, nor are they applied as hard as they once were. MMA's downfall is it is only designed for 1v1 fighting and assumes no weapons on the opponent.
Yeah, it looks Judo or Jui Jitsu. Possibly a strangely angled Juji Gatame. Just goes to show that MMA can include a mix of very varied martial arts. Hence the name. ;-P
Judo and Jui Jitsu have very useful techniques for MMA grappling.
@246trinitrotoluene mma encompasses every style...its mma, thats why when u tards argue over whos style is better out of mma or ur own its retarded cus u can USE UR OWN IN MMA if u WANT to its mma ffs.
@246trinitrotoluene wtf....mma fighting has its own basic techniques based on all different fighting styles, therefor comparing it to any other fighting style is useless when you can use any SINGLE style in tournament if you so choose.
incase you didnt notice, what i said and what you said are the same thing. so why did you call me stupid and then concurr with my point?
my original comment means "mma includes tae kwon do in it (along with other style)"
that was my original comment..... do you finally understand what is going on. i really don't get why you're so confused, it was really a very simple statment
First off, I'm not taking any sides in this arguement. All I want to say is that if there were some kind of awards on youtube, you guys would win for the "best arguemnet via text comments without using any profanity" Congrats to you gentlemen!
I'm saying quit trying to find an excuse to why TKD lost. TKD sucks.
Im also saying, if this didnt convince you because the MMA guy has a better physique, your retarded. My previous reply was totally non aggressive. I was only saying go check out other videos for proof. But now that you revealed yourself as a tempermental little twat, I dont much care about censoring my thoughts.
I could find Videos of TKD Beating MMA, so what?...
You are really immature to start calling people retarded here, when you are the one who is not thinking.
From the start I never said MMA or TKD is better, I actually practice MMA IDIOT, since I fight combining different Arts, against people using various arts also.
It is stupid to try to proove MMA is better just my saying "IT IS" or referring to YouTube Vids.
"I train MMA, but I practice Tkdo kicks, because I think they have the best kicks".
So of myself, I DO think that it is better to train MMA, because it gives you a better choice of adapting what techniques work better for you, and helps with fighting in different ranges.
I have respect for the other Arts, so I am not going to be a JERK and claim I know which Art is most effective by watching YouTube Vids.
I can only say, that THIS Vid is not a fairly matched fight.
No one asked for your credentials bub, quit trying to validate yourself over the internet.
I didnt instigate anything little boy. I made a comment, and you went psycho on it. And now youve sent me 3 messeges in a lapse of 20 min. It speaks VOLUMES about your self confidence that a simple messege had this effect on you.
Go get some fresh air little guy, its a big beautiful world outside, no use sittin inside all day.
@jyakin Ok, kid, you really aren't phasing me in the slightest to be honest.
I never did go Psyco on your comment, and you can't backup anything you are claiming here.
I explain myself clearly, you are just a Punk that will sit all day rambling none-sense.
I my replies were delayed because I have more important things to do than worry about YouTube Jerks, Like working on my Company which will be released in 2 months.
3 more messeges... You really do have some issues dont you buddy?
Hahaha, yes i know what credentials mean. and seriously, stop telling me about yourself and your soon to be in ruins business. (nobody cares)
I thought my answers were written in such a way that anybody could interpret my thoughts. But sure, I guess to the feeble minded, it might sound like nonsense.
Im going to stop making you feel bad, in the very likely case that you are a disadvantaged youth.
It's pretty funny that you need to look for every small fault of my posts (time lapse for example) to hope to win anything.
Why not get back to your Original point which I already proved to be worthless?
Maybe you can't because you know you are already wrong from the start, and you are trying to find avenues to stray away from the "Real Discussion" so that you don't embarrass yourself.
I never tried to insult you from the start, but you carried on, and escalated things.
"3 more messeges.." YouTube has a "Character Limit" if you know what that is... As I said before, slow people like you need more explanation. No you are not embarrassing me one bit, you are only embarrassing yourself. "disadvantaged youth"? "your soon to be in ruins business"? Again with the: "cheap Non-sense insults" Where are you coming from with these things? (I'm laughing here actually). Grow up kid, and get some sort of Education.
Did you not get enough attention as a kid? Is this why you keep writing to a stranger who CLEARLY has no interest in you whatsoever?
Original point: TKD sucks.
Proof: Reality, Vid above, Vids elsewhere, TKD is designed for point sparring, Sending high&flying kicks, leaves you vulnerable, strikes are flashy & not effective.
Why do you quote your own words?
Again with the : "cheap Non-sense insults" weirdo.
haha i never said you were emberassing yourself, but yes, you kinda are.
Seriously dont reply back, visit my page if you want to creep it up, and harness some info on me. You are obviously a very lame person, and have not the slightest idea of what fighting really is about.
@EpsilonX5 tkdo has the best looking not the best kicks
muay thai has the best kicks but it doesnt really matter which you learn
i would however reccomend you learn one muay thai kic i cant remember its nname but its the most powerful kick in the world by quite a way i think its a straight kick or something
I'm not an expert on knowledge of the many styles out there, I've just worked with so far, what was the most available for me to learn where I live.
There was a Muay Thai guy who came in out Taekwando class one day, and where he was kicking the Pad, I think that was the most force I ever felt in a kick, I was shocked.
On a National Geo, Documentary, I think they said the Tkwdo Spin Back kick was the most Powerful.
MMA is great,it's training surely makes u tough cuz it combines many things but if u look at the skills of a MMA fighter separately he wouldn't be excellent against martial arts which develop these skills,look at all MMA fighters how the kick and just have a look on how serkan yilmaz kicks
if you are a good enough wrelster you can take more than three people down in less than 10 seconds(a regular double leg takedown can break bones within impact if the person does not know how to land) knowing the MMA ways, one would deliver a punch after each takedown that would probably take out any non trained person. Anyways, if you have more than one attacker the smart thing to do is to corner yourself standing in a good base (this way you cant be attacked from behind) nd just use stand up.
@Nikko1Brown yes it does... with practising karate 5 years u can suck a dick to muay thai fighter practising 5 months :S thats it... or if the karate fighter would be very strong, big or MUTANT, so u probably will lose... but thats only 10% of true ;p
@Nikko1Brown That's not true at all. By far the most important part is the practitioner, but there are definitely martial arts that are more effective than others.
@Nikko1Brown but a fighter can be limited by his art; I can be a 40 year grandmaster in tiddlywinks, but a guy with 3 months of BJJ will whoop my ass. Same can be said for many archaic traditional martial arts.
@RebelWrestler45 Uh...wrong, lol. Idc if your talking about Tai Chi, ANYONE with 40 years of experience in ANY kind of combat art, verses a newcomer to any other art.. the guy with the experience is going to win, same can be said for ALL situations
@Saforge not really bj penn beat many black belts that have been doing bjj all there lives after he had only been doing it for 3 years when he won the mundials. i have seen people train for 6 months and be better than some that have been training for 8 years. athleticism and the way you learn things has alot to do with it. just like at school there are very gifted students that pick up on things fast same can be said for any martial art
@carlsongracieteam Ehh...i'll agree with u to a certain extent. True, everyone learns at a different rate, has different physical/mental capabilities and limits. I guess when i posted that last comment i was thinking like Rebelwrestler said, a grand master who has been studying ..idk, She Quan his whole life, verses a guy who has a couple monthes of BJJ or Karate experience..the newcomer doesn't have a chance in hell. But your right, i've seen wierder things happen
@Saforge like i said there were guys that came in that studied a martial art there whole life and got dominated by wrestlers and bjj, and tbh many of the old martials arts, tkd, karate, she quan, its more of an art not really very good for a fight to be completely honest.
@AcademicusMaximus no its pure fact... if someone trains mma for only a week and know's all kinds of different strikes, that's more effective then any average agressive street fighter techniqe... the street fighter is still gonna win and thats cuz the mma fighter lacks expierience
@XXjofroXX hell no i only no muay thai in i would fuck some one in the street take they legs right from under them then they think im a gto for the hands in boom its to late its more effective then a street fighter
@jaythatdude yeah i see were your coming from, and if you do muay thai then your probably well trained but thats the reason why... i do mma now but before i started i was a regular street fighter and had been in a bunch of fights, the instructor told me to sparr one of his student's and we both went all out and i won... and i think its because i was more agressive and more familiar with being in fights
@XXjofroXX no instructor in his right mind would let a novice go all out with a trained fighter,hed be asking for a lawsuit.If you hadnt decent grappling youd be destroyed by a trained mma student of your own size.Everyone has a punchers chance but grappling,no way.
@billysue2 no dont get me wrong he wasnt exactly like a complete trained mma fighter he was only there for like a month, and we didnt do grappling cuz i didnt kno shit about grappling all he did was giv us some boxing gloves and some shin gaurds he told the other guy to go easy but i convinced him to let the dude do his thing and yeah thats wat happened, and ur right ... no matter how many fights youve been in if u dont kno how to fight on the ground and the other guy does then your screwed
@Nikko1Brown it matters greatly what art you do because that determines the methods mostly.Arts with full contact or wrestling work,others do not in the vast majority of cases.Do ye know many tai chi or aikido mma champs?
ok first of all this guy is TKD SPORT not real TKD. Real TKD is just as good as MMA BJJ and all other martial arts if used right. most ppl only see and train Sport TKD. im not saying any1 is wrong in saying TKD is useless b.c. some TKD is just like sport Karate is useless and such. Also this supposed TKD black belt in regards to REAL TKD sucks he got no power or speed. JMO so dnt flip ot if u disagree
First of all, comparing TKD to MMA is really stupid.. Mixed martial Arts.. its the best of most martial arts combined used under a discipline that allows one to fight freely..
TDk will never be just as good as MMA.. it is actually known to be one of the most useless martial arts... For taekwondo, you need space to fight, something you probably wont find in a crowded hall, bar.. pretty much in any building.. as for MMA, BJJ can be used from any distance..
what u ppl are tlking about it hasnt been proved a useless martial art. sport TKD has just as SPORT anything has been proven useless. when i said it was as good as MMA BJJ i didnt mean of it would win i mean of course if u train hard in multiple arts u have an advantage also REAL TKD u dont need space to fight because u use ur whole body. fist, elbows, knees, feet, shoulders, and head YES we do focus primaraly on our legs but that doesnt mean we ONLY focus on our legs we dont need space to fight
ALSO a REAL martial artist and a REAL MMA fighter will tell u. its not the disciplin but the practitioner. i really dont know what you have against TKD. i dnt mean to sound rude but its like u have a personal grudge against it like u fought some1 using it and got the shit beat out of u. but what ever it is. dont disrespect a disciplin older than ur great great great grandparents.
i dont have anything against TKD, i just find it to not be an effective martial art.. unless you are using it as a base to improve your kicking and learn another discipline. no, i have not had my butt kicked by a taekwondo martial artist. Its not disrespecting, what you just said was disrespect towards me. I am just stating the truth. Im a wrestler. wrestling has been around longer than most martial arts, it was one of the first olympic sports, as for taekwondo became a medal sport in 2000.
Yes, but a good martial art is the one that even the worst fighter out there can use it and it be effective. For TKD to be effective, you need to be a good fighter, or atleast have the potential.
ur right im sry i was disrespectful to u was not my intention. and ur also right u do have to be good for it to be effective but with most martial arts it is the same way (In my experiance). i really did not intend to be disrespectful to u. but we all have our own opinions.
@tforeignguy very good point in my past 3 mma bouts i fought someone with some sort of tae kwon do background and while their kicks are fast and way unpredictable if you stayed in close they were shellshocked their punches aren't hard at all i personally think people like it because of its flashy kicks and speed
@silkyjohnson123 actually MMA borrows a kick from TKD the spinning back kick. Very under utilized but devistatingly powerfull if landed. Ive seen fighters walk away with cracked ribs after a blow.
TKD is useless in any other situation other than tkd matches, but in the other hand, why do all mma show offs look like they are on steroids???
Also, bjj is great, i practice that myself, but it is really useless in a crowded bar, or against multiple oponents, krav maga, kuntao or similars are way better for those situations
@transfigured - exactly! few people realize how easily a forearm breaks when force is applied from the right angles. about 15 lbs of pressure will snap the arm of an incoming attack which makes the rapid succession of punches seen in mma almost useless. against a good traditional master those sloppy mma punches would be countered with bone breaking joint locks. as you said, mma works great in the cage but always fails when the rules aren't their to stop the techniques that maim and kill
No disrespect to MMA or any martial art, but there is a differance between sports such as Muay Thai, keyukushikai, BJJ, Jujitsu, kickboxing, MMA, and fighting systems that have been used succesfully in war even on todays battlefield, such as Wing chun, Wadu Ryu, Mauy Boran, Mantis, Dim mak chin na. You never see MMA set up a snap kick to break legs, or attack punches by breaking forearms as a counter when they strike, or planting their heel between the shoulder joint, I do this in fights!!!
It is not the fighting system that prevails or looses, but the fighter!!! In the ring MMA works brilliantly, in a war zone when u get bum rushed after u just booted a door in and your collegues dont have a clear shot, MMA is useless, u fall to the floor, ya buddies shoot him, his buddies stomp ya brains outa ya skull, u instead break his arm he stabs u, his buddies finish the job, a rapid succession of strikes to the opponents center line, aiming at key areas such as nerve clustser, n he out.
@TheTransfigured your an idiot, MMA is all martial arts not a perticular style, and if you did any reaserach about military hand to hand combat you would know that the whole US military trains in some form of Gracie Jiu-jitsu, which applies great for MMA, another thing you forget is that what if the MMA fighter could use the same dirty tactics as anyone else, and dont even say that MMA fighters have sloppy stand up, look at Mirko Cro Cop hes a bum in the UFC but hes an ex K1 Kickboxing champ
the US army trains in what experts thought were the best of the early UFC matches. the original point of UFC was to find a good martial art for the US army.
The US army had nothing to do with the UFC, the gracies started the UFC to try and make jiu-jitsu more popular, the whole US army trains in gracie combatives, look it up and stop making shit up
In case you mistook 1:40 as a takedown on the part of the TKD guy, lets just say that it was an intentional sacrificial throw on the part of the mma guy. Watch his jump at 1:38 and how he grabs the TKD guy's leg as he breaks his opponent's balance and transitions nicely into a triangle.
IM AN MMA FIGHTER AND I LIVE IN NC ORIGINALLY FROM NJ, I WRESTLED THREW HS AND BOXED.WHAT I DO IS GO AROUND TO ALL OF THESE BULLSHITO McDOJOS AND CHALLNGE THE HIGHEST RANKING INSTRUCTOR TO A REAL LIVE FIGHT SITUATION KEY WORD REAL AND THIS IS NOT TO DISRESPECT THERE ART BUT TO SHOW WHAT WORKS AND WHAT DOES NOT. ALL THESE FANCY KICKS AND STUFF DONT TEACH U TO FIGHT IF ANYTHING IT TEACHES U TO DANCE. HALF WONT ACCEPT THE OTHER HALF LOSES IV BEEN BEATEN ONCE BY A FELLOW MMA FIGHTER THAT DID JKD.
so i guess your chickening out on the excuse that i only want attention? ok whatever but for future reference dont talk shit and make phony challenges that you cant back up regardless of your excuse as to why. but my offer still stands if your "man" enough to accept it you phony.
Screw it, this MMA shit is so fake, I will PROVE IT!! I challenge ANY so called MMA "fighter" who is man enough to step up and face me. I'm calling you out you bunch of frauds!!!!!
No, no, no, that's not how this works pansy. I issued the challenge, therefore I make the rules. YOU tell me where YOU live and I will decide how far to travel. After all, breaking, embarrassing, and humiliating one of you frauds will be less challenge than one of Vince McMahon's circus animals. At least THEY are in shape.
how is it fake u stupid mudafuker,... if it was fake would it be the biggest growing sport right now?? mma is the closet to real fightin as a sport is gonna come.. ur a stupid as redneck huh.. fukin hate u ppl
i accept. im even a transsexual but i used to be a professional mma national champion in the isja, so this is my offer ( im dead serious ) ill bring some cameras , ill wager 2500 dollars and on top of that if you last 5 full minutes ill give you my 2500 even if i still win but if i beat you within 5 minutes i get your money and your written permission to post the video on my youtube channel. it would be very shameful for you to get beat by a transsexual but you made the challenge and i accept.
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MMA is fake, it is more staged than Vince McMahon's show. Any of these so called "fighters" would have their asses HANDED to them by any semi-pro boxer or real martial artist in 30 seconds or less.
and every martial artist and semi pro boxer that stepped up DID get their asses handed to them by someone who ONLY used jiu jitsu which is a main grappling style of MMA so yeah, you suck.
answer: because he is not in the position where he can step on the throat..and with just little more pressure with the "lock", the MMA fighter could snap his neck off..
stepping on the throat isn't as effective...opponent can move or roll away from your foot or ankle lock you while he got you in a triangle...hahaha, i would like to see someone be in those two hold...and yes, it can be done
the mma guy is definitely a skilled and confident fighter...the tae kwan do guy was alot less secure with his own fighting ability...what I'd like to see is two fighters of the same caliber...think Bruce lee or Tony Ja against an mma fighter..Ive met people as good as the both of them, and ive yet to see an mma fighter go against a really good tae kwan do, kung fu, or jeet kun do fighter..a real martial artist has very fast reflexes and that tae kwan do guy pretty much sucked and was overpowered
Look! to anyone hating on this guy, youre blinded by your own jealousy. I personally dont do the tiny shorts and oily bodies but CLEARLY this TMA fighter is outclassed and the takedown is SWEET. my school shares space with a BJJ instructor and i get into his class whenever i can. youre not betraying anyone by learning effective techniques. youre doing your family/school a service by being a well rounded fighter. i never ignore useful information, even if i hate these arrogant MMA pricks.
actually mma is mixed martial arts. That means ANY mix. It isn't just the mainstream ones u see in ufc and pride. And looking at it that way ALL arts are good and u can take something from all of them. That would be a complete martial artist.
How does looking at it that way make all arts good? There are martial arts out there which are so impractical they can actually make you a worse fighter for training in them.
I said that there is something in all arts that you can learn. Not everything is good but u shouldn't be so closed minded as to think that only those few martial arts have anything to offer.
how fake
bnsaints 8 months ago
My best friend had been doing taekwando since she was little, and I'm starting MMA training this summer. Since we met about 4 years ago, she's been begging me to hurry up and train because she wanted us to fight and see which skill is better.
I have a feeling she would totally win, but I should really send her this video...
RockRebel219 8 months ago
Rename it
56588 8 months ago
this is good shit. taekwon dude looks alil outa form, but it doesnt seem like his throwing it all out. good shit good shit
spritepamato 8 months ago
First of, most of you guys commenting about oh mma is shit.. or this is dumb that is better this is for gays.. etc etc etc about this video obviously fail to understand that they are sparring and not trying to kill each others.
Raindarsus 9 months ago
all mma does it go on the floor and hug you until you tap
real martial arts will break your face the second you try, this slap box bullshit doesnt count
you want someone who can take down a mma fighter? check out a boxer
Jackalofdeath 11 months ago
@Jackalofdeath Ouch.
kablahblah22 11 months ago
@Jackalofdeath mma stands for mixed martial arts dipshit
jonnyjb69 11 months ago
Neither of these guys really seems to be very good at his martial art.
apollothemighty 11 months ago
Complete bs. Just like the Gracie's propoganda videos, where they went round dojos offering to fight the instructors, cherry-picking chumps to demonstrate the superiority of Gracie Ju-Jitsu. Taekwondo, even WTF style, is pretty much just a sport. It's not much use as a fighting style, especially against people trained for MMA. These videos achieve nothing, besides demonstrating the arrogance of the MMA crowd. Only pick fights you know you can win, right guys? Pathetic.
Kopp203 11 months ago
@Kopp203 LOL. The problem is that the TKD and other TMA-ers can't win ANY fights.
Five5six 11 months ago
@Five5six Yeah, right. Funny how when the Gracie's were out making propoganda challenge videos to sell Gracie Jujitsu prior to and after the first UFC, no-one set foot in a credited Kyokushinkai dojo. No-one's doubting the effectiveness of BJJ/MMA in "real" fights, I'm just questioning the marketing methodology of early BJJ sales tactics. They only picked chump fighters from chump styles to challenge. Pick a rated Kyokushinka fighter for us v them, not bozos practising mickey-mouse styles.
Kopp203 11 months ago
@Kopp203 LMFAO @ Kopp203: Ichihara was one of the BEST fighters from of Daido Juku hard style karate.
You don't know what you are talking about at all.
Five5six 11 months ago
@Five5six Lol - Ichihara versus Royce Gracie: Double leg takedown within seconds followed by 5 minutes of Royce playing with him on the ground and basically taking the piss, before an armbar sub. Ichihara was a sub-par striker and atypical for hard-style strikers at the time, absolutely no defence against the takedown. Besides, you're missing the point. I was talking about the Gracie Ju-Jitsu propoganda videos, where they picked on a succession of kung-fu chumps to "prove" their style.
Kopp203 11 months ago
@Kopp203 Again, you have no idea what you were talking about: Ichihara was GOONING heavyweights and a heavyweight Kyokushin (derivative) champion.
And yes, that's what happens when you have someone who is trained properly against someone who has massive holes in his game.
Your complaints about 'kung fu chumps' is unwarranted because other than the big san shou revival in the late 90s, all the Kung Fu guys were chumps.
Five5six 11 months ago
@minase0906 oh rly
tyahtyah 1 year ago
HAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHHA fucking epic fail hhahahahhaha
burke84 1 year ago
how is this all out, you guys aren't hitting each other? I see two guys playing around and you got the take down, and put a sloppy loose triangle on. The TKD guy probably doesn't know much about ground fighting and it seems you are just learning yourself.
A good comparison of martial art fighting styles its not, just two guys playing around.
fishNtits 1 year ago
Thought I was watching an Ipod commercial at first.
chype 1 year ago
@Nikko1Brown It is the style sometimes, Muay Thai is the deadliest hand to hand combat style, this has been proven. Brazilian Jiu Jitsu is the most efficient grapple style, also proven. Mix these two together, and you have an ultimate style.
SyphonedSoul 1 year ago
MMA vs Taekwando? You realize MMA stands for Mixed Martial arts which includes Taekwando.
Eatmybologna 1 year ago 12
@Eatmybologna yes, but what alot of people dont understand is mma does include many martial arts, but it does not include from a-z , but only bits in peices of the strongest moves and strikes from different martial arts, then combine in one. kinda like the frankenstine theory, his body parts were made from the strongest indvisuals, then brought to life. if frankenstine was used in theory of fighting, he is mma.
johnmkrs83 1 year ago
@Eatmybologna They are implying one guy is stricyly Taekwando and the other is mma, and just because he is an mma fighter doesn't mean he used Taekwando, even though the kicks are kicks.
chefbakercook 1 year ago
@chefbakercook MMA is a sport not an art. They are either having an MMA fight or they aren't.
Eatmybologna 1 year ago
@Eatmybologna Taekwondo is also a sport.
chefbakercook 1 year ago
@chefbakercook and its also a martial art. They aren't doing the sport of Taekwando here.
Whereas MMA is not a martial art, only a sport. A sport in which any martial art can take place.
Eatmybologna 1 year ago
@Eatmybologna Its saying a Mixed Martial Artists vs someone who just trains TKD
Cnrd15 1 year ago
@Eatmybologna
Not if Tae Kwon Do wasn't trained.
Trigger93 11 months ago
@Trigger93 MMA is a sport in which any martial art can take place. Including Tae Kwon Do. There is no such thing as Tae Kwon Do vs MMA.
Eatmybologna 11 months ago
@Eatmybologna Just because MMA is "Mixed" Martial Arts, doesn't mean that Taekwondo is already part of an MMA fighter's reportoire.
ralphM1114 10 months ago
@Eatmybologna What has this to do with anything?
Klantez 9 months ago
@Eatmybologna ..ummm yea... wich means mixed martial arts vs taekwondo??? what are you getting at?...
harrynben 9 months ago
@Eatmybologna yeh but mma fighter train at lots of different style but only become average at each while someone that sticks tonone style becoz good skilled fighters thats why most mma fights look like a street brawlm with random wild punches
elmoskater 8 months ago
@Eatmybologna What he means if the modern definition of MMA, as in the sport which is mainly comprised of Muay Thai, Brazilian Jiu Jitsu, Boxing, and Wrestling. While in the old sense of the phrase, and the technical sense of the phrase, TKD would be included in MMA, it really doesn't have anything to do with the modern sport.
Cheers
NekoJinRei 7 months ago
@NekoJinRei Not true. Spinning back kicks and spinning back fists happen all the time, which come from TKD. Have you seen the video of GSP taking tips from Joe Rogan(TKD black belt) on his spinning back kick? TKD might not have the same influence as BJJ or Muay Thai, but MMA is MMA, and it includes all martial arts--TKD is no exception.
MrGarky 7 months ago
@MrGarky You're right. Let me rephrase my thoughts, because what I had previously written was incorrect. I still maintain that MMA is comprised MAINLY of Muay Thai, Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu, Boxing, and Wrestling, I have to retract what I said about TKD not being involved. Spinning back kicks and spinning back fists do happen often, and you're right I have seen Joe Rogan talking about them and their relation to TKD. What I should have said is that TKD has had an important but comparatively small
NekoJinRei 7 months ago
@MrGarky impact on the sport when you look at the other martial arts involved. So, in essence, I agree with a lot of what you are saying. I disagree with the last sentence though where you said that MMA includes all martial arts. There are many martial arts that really are not present in MMA competition, at least to the best of my knowledge.
NekoJinRei 7 months ago
@NekoJinRei I think you are spot on. The modern term of MMA is in sports terms really BJJ, thai boxing, boxing and wrestling. Anytime i get to train in any mma gyms/studios near me, they mainlhy teach the above. My own understanding of MMA is all martial arts in the world as it means a mixture whilst the sport is narrowed down to what has been proven to be more efficient for the needs of the octagon, ring etc.
TPMTheDarkDragon 5 months ago
@TPMTheDarkDragon True, I do MMA and I learn Muay Thai, BJJ, Submission Wrestling, Boxing and a bit of Dirty Boxing. They are the main ones
ClarkeGarbutt 4 months ago
@Eatmybologna only includes tae-kwon do if the mma practioner had tae-kwon do in his backround.
allshallbelosttoyou 5 months ago
@allshallbelosttoyou No. MMA is a sport in which any martial art can take place as long as they abide by the rules of the promotion.
Eatmybologna 5 months ago
@Eatmybologna true but i an mma practioner won't have tae kwon do in his particular background...unless he's studied tae kwon do. that all i'm saying.
allshallbelosttoyou 5 months ago
@Eatmybologna *background
allshallbelosttoyou 5 months ago
MMA is an ever evolving fighting style. Traditional forms are not, which is their greatest fault. They were not designed for today's fighting, nor are they applied as hard as they once were. MMA's downfall is it is only designed for 1v1 fighting and assumes no weapons on the opponent.
SPRS4 1 year ago
take down was just a flying crucifix attempt lol
Lejendary2 1 year ago
mma
yeah
You2ubePranks 1 year ago
hikomi no kata
this is from a judo syllabus.
guy in black shorts executed stuff from it.
judopathoftruth 1 year ago
@judopathoftruth
Yeah, it looks Judo or Jui Jitsu. Possibly a strangely angled Juji Gatame. Just goes to show that MMA can include a mix of very varied martial arts. Hence the name. ;-P
Judo and Jui Jitsu have very useful techniques for MMA grappling.
MrTerryKay 1 year ago
fuckk takeonedo puro street fighting
elgoose2003 1 year ago
mma encompasses tae kwon do...
246trinitrotoluene 1 year ago
@246trinitrotoluene mma encompasses every style...its mma, thats why when u tards argue over whos style is better out of mma or ur own its retarded cus u can USE UR OWN IN MMA if u WANT to its mma ffs.
41312111 1 year ago
@41312111
are you really that fucking stupid? maybe you took too many shots to the head.
if mma encompasses EVERY STYLE (a general statement) logically, mma also encompasses ONE STYLE (tae kwon do in this instance)
christ you're a real moron
246trinitrotoluene 1 year ago
@246trinitrotoluene wtf....mma fighting has its own basic techniques based on all different fighting styles, therefor comparing it to any other fighting style is useless when you can use any SINGLE style in tournament if you so choose.
incase you didnt notice, what i said and what you said are the same thing. so why did you call me stupid and then concurr with my point?
41312111 1 year ago
@41312111
my original comment means "mma includes tae kwon do in it (along with other style)"
that was my original comment..... do you finally understand what is going on. i really don't get why you're so confused, it was really a very simple statment
246trinitrotoluene 1 year ago
@246trinitrotoluene then we agree, lets party and shit....whats the probrem?
41312111 1 year ago
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246trinitrotoluene 1 year ago
First off, I'm not taking any sides in this arguement. All I want to say is that if there were some kind of awards on youtube, you guys would win for the "best arguemnet via text comments without using any profanity" Congrats to you gentlemen!
andrew9816 1 year ago
hell yea triangle choke
alxjolly22 1 year ago
Look at the Physiques of the two fighters, it looks like one has a major disadvantage.
If the smaller guy had won, then I would have been surprised and even convinced that one style might be better than the next.
EpsilonX5 1 year ago
Then go look at the myriad of other videos depicting the smaller guy overcoming the larger opponent.
jyakin 1 year ago
@jyakin Did I say that is was impossible for a smaller guy to beat a bigger guy?
If people are going to say crap like: "comparing TKD to MMA is really stupid" post that on a Video with a more Even match up.
Please don't waste my time explaining Common Sense to you.
It is Obvious that one fighter has a Physical Advantage over the other in "THIS VIDEO".
You can pretty much find a "Myriad of Videos" on YouTube with:
Child Beating Adult
Woman Beating Man
the full works..
So what is your point?..
EpsilonX5 1 year ago
I'm saying quit trying to find an excuse to why TKD lost. TKD sucks.
Im also saying, if this didnt convince you because the MMA guy has a better physique, your retarded. My previous reply was totally non aggressive. I was only saying go check out other videos for proof. But now that you revealed yourself as a tempermental little twat, I dont much care about censoring my thoughts.
jyakin 1 year ago
@jyakin Hey look kid,
what you are saying makes no sense, ok?
I could find Videos of TKD Beating MMA, so what?...
You are really immature to start calling people retarded here, when you are the one who is not thinking.
From the start I never said MMA or TKD is better, I actually practice MMA IDIOT, since I fight combining different Arts, against people using various arts also.
It is stupid to try to proove MMA is better just my saying "IT IS" or referring to YouTube Vids.
What a Jerk...
EpsilonX5 1 year ago
In the start I said myself:
"I train MMA, but I practice Tkdo kicks, because I think they have the best kicks".
So of myself, I DO think that it is better to train MMA, because it gives you a better choice of adapting what techniques work better for you, and helps with fighting in different ranges.
I have respect for the other Arts, so I am not going to be a JERK and claim I know which Art is most effective by watching YouTube Vids.
I can only say, that THIS Vid is not a fairly matched fight.
EpsilonX5 1 year ago
@jyakin
When "iloveaxxo" Said: "tkdo has the best looking not the best kicks,
muay thai has the best kicks"
I could have been a "Kid" like you, and defend my kicking style, saying "NO TKD has the best kicks".
Though I'm not convinced right now which is better, I am humble enough to listen to someones Opinion: "I guess you could be correct on that."
and by that, allowing myself to potentially grow, by learning more.
Closed minded, Shallow people like yourself never reach far honestly...
EpsilonX5 1 year ago
"I actually practice MMA IDIOT"
No one asked for your credentials bub, quit trying to validate yourself over the internet.
I didnt instigate anything little boy. I made a comment, and you went psycho on it. And now youve sent me 3 messeges in a lapse of 20 min. It speaks VOLUMES about your self confidence that a simple messege had this effect on you.
Go get some fresh air little guy, its a big beautiful world outside, no use sittin inside all day.
Dont reply back, You're dumb :)
jyakin 1 year ago
@jyakin Ok, kid, you really aren't phasing me in the slightest to be honest.
I never did go Psyco on your comment, and you can't backup anything you are claiming here.
I explain myself clearly, you are just a Punk that will sit all day rambling none-sense.
I my replies were delayed because I have more important things to do than worry about YouTube Jerks, Like working on my Company which will be released in 2 months.
EpsilonX5 1 year ago
"speaks VOLUMES about your self confidence"?
You know nothing about me so stop claiming that you Do.
In all my discussions I usually write clearly because Stupid people like you need more explanation.
But you have shown that you have no Comprehension at any level anyway.
I think you are the stupidest person I have ever met to be honest.
EpsilonX5 1 year ago
"No one asked for your credentials bub"
Did I state that I trained in X and Y Arts for Z-years, or that I am a Black Belt, etc..?
I don't need to prove anything to you.
(Do you even know what is meant my Credentials?)
I said: "I did MMA", because You are saying MMA is better, without any proof,
AND, as an MMA fighter myself, don't agree with your silly reasoning.
It is usually the Very Stupid that are "short of words", and must result to cheap Non-sense insults to try to win a Discussion.
EpsilonX5 1 year ago
3 more messeges... You really do have some issues dont you buddy?
Hahaha, yes i know what credentials mean. and seriously, stop telling me about yourself and your soon to be in ruins business. (nobody cares)
I thought my answers were written in such a way that anybody could interpret my thoughts. But sure, I guess to the feeble minded, it might sound like nonsense.
Im going to stop making you feel bad, in the very likely case that you are a disadvantaged youth.
EVERYONE loves you.
jyakin 1 year ago
Oh, just back to say,
It's pretty funny that you need to look for every small fault of my posts (time lapse for example) to hope to win anything.
Why not get back to your Original point which I already proved to be worthless?
Maybe you can't because you know you are already wrong from the start, and you are trying to find avenues to stray away from the "Real Discussion" so that you don't embarrass yourself.
I never tried to insult you from the start, but you carried on, and escalated things.
EpsilonX5 1 year ago
EpsilonX5 1 year ago
Did you not get enough attention as a kid? Is this why you keep writing to a stranger who CLEARLY has no interest in you whatsoever?
Original point: TKD sucks.
Proof: Reality, Vid above, Vids elsewhere, TKD is designed for point sparring, Sending high&flying kicks, leaves you vulnerable, strikes are flashy & not effective.
Why do you quote your own words?
Again with the : "cheap Non-sense insults" weirdo.
haha i never said you were emberassing yourself, but yes, you kinda are.
jyakin 1 year ago
@jyakin
"Is this why you keep writing to a stranger who CLEARLY has no interest in you whatsoever?"
That is really stupid to say... You are doing the same you know... What an Embarrassment.
I quote my own words because you don't take time to read what I already said.
I just viewed your Profile Comments, and I see that you are one of those guys that spend all your time on YouTube arguing with everyone.
EpsilonX5 1 year ago
Your "Proofs" aren't Proofs.
"TKD is designed for point sparring" - No it's Not.
Karate is more "designed for point sparring",
where you just need to connect a Hit to win a Point (even if the hit was very week and useless).
In TDK, you need to actually hit the person hard enough to Knock them down, or clearly Off-balance them.
(Hence why I stopped Karate for TDK)
Go to a TDK tournament one day, it is often full of stretchers because it is a dangerous Sport, and many people get heavy injuries.
EpsilonX5 1 year ago
You clearly don't know much about TDK, so please keep quiet until you educate yourself about this Art.
Again: "Sending high&flying kicks, leaves you vulnerable, strikes are flashy & not effective"
This is not TKD,
TKD is more about powerful, precise kicks, not Flashy stuff...
Please stop while you are ahead, and learn about TDK first before continuing,
-Thanks
EpsilonX5 1 year ago
I can Capitalize random words Too :)
Seriously dont reply back, visit my page if you want to creep it up, and harness some info on me. You are obviously a very lame person, and have not the slightest idea of what fighting really is about.
Enjoy the rest of your life virgin.
jyakin 1 year ago
@jyakin
1) I can reply all I want.
2) I visited your page because I expected as much, that you just a YouTube Jerk who sits arguing at everyone. (you did the same in visiting mine)
3) I've a serious Christian and a Virgin till marriage so what? Don't start disrespecting people's Religion here...
4) "have not the slightest idea of what fighting really is about"
You are backing this up how exactly?
5) I already dispelled your statements below, stop trying to change the subject Looser.
EpsilonX5 1 year ago
Stop TKD, Start Muay Thai, simple and brutal at the same time.
cleve101 1 year ago
I train MMA, but I practice Tkdo kicks, because I think they have the best kicks.
I practice Boxing for my Punches, I try to pick out the most effective parts of each style and develop my own combination.
I practice Judo also. Pretty good for Grappling.
It is more about the Fighter themselves, than the Fighting style they are using.
EpsilonX5 1 year ago
@EpsilonX5 tkdo has the best looking not the best kicks
muay thai has the best kicks but it doesnt really matter which you learn
i would however reccomend you learn one muay thai kic i cant remember its nname but its the most powerful kick in the world by quite a way i think its a straight kick or something
iloveaxxo 1 year ago
@ iloveaxxo,
I guess you could be correct on that.
I'm not an expert on knowledge of the many styles out there, I've just worked with so far, what was the most available for me to learn where I live.
There was a Muay Thai guy who came in out Taekwando class one day, and where he was kicking the Pad, I think that was the most force I ever felt in a kick, I was shocked.
On a National Geo, Documentary, I think they said the Tkwdo Spin Back kick was the most Powerful.
They could be incorrect.
EpsilonX5 1 year ago
I'll research on Muay Thai and try to find out more about what you said iloveaxxo.
If it's really useful like you said, I'll start practicing some Muay Thai too.
Thanks much for the info! :)
EpsilonX5 1 year ago
search up kyokushin this is the style my family practises it is the greatest power technique
werdzfameon 1 year ago
muai thai does not have the best kicks either
Kyokushinkaikan has the most powerful kicks
werdzfameon 1 year ago
fuck off taekwando has the best kicks
werdzfameon 1 year ago
MMA is great,it's training surely makes u tough cuz it combines many things but if u look at the skills of a MMA fighter separately he wouldn't be excellent against martial arts which develop these skills,look at all MMA fighters how the kick and just have a look on how serkan yilmaz kicks
cutezombie88 1 year ago
MMA is great, but if you have more than one attacker the othe(s)r will cut your throat if you start wrestling on the ground.
Attilahollo9 1 year ago
if you are a good enough wrelster you can take more than three people down in less than 10 seconds(a regular double leg takedown can break bones within impact if the person does not know how to land) knowing the MMA ways, one would deliver a punch after each takedown that would probably take out any non trained person. Anyways, if you have more than one attacker the smart thing to do is to corner yourself standing in a good base (this way you cant be attacked from behind) nd just use stand up.
tforeignguy 1 year ago
doesn't matter what art but how well u train in it.
Nikko1Brown 2 years ago 4
@Nikko1Brown yes it does... with practising karate 5 years u can suck a dick to muay thai fighter practising 5 months :S thats it... or if the karate fighter would be very strong, big or MUTANT, so u probably will lose... but thats only 10% of true ;p
kaju231 1 year ago
@Nikko1Brown yes it DOES.
xNewAgeWarriorx 1 year ago
@Nikko1Brown That's not true at all. By far the most important part is the practitioner, but there are definitely martial arts that are more effective than others.
Robopencil 1 year ago
@Nikko1Brown but a fighter can be limited by his art; I can be a 40 year grandmaster in tiddlywinks, but a guy with 3 months of BJJ will whoop my ass. Same can be said for many archaic traditional martial arts.
RebelWrestler45 1 year ago
@RebelWrestler45 Uh...wrong, lol. Idc if your talking about Tai Chi, ANYONE with 40 years of experience in ANY kind of combat art, verses a newcomer to any other art.. the guy with the experience is going to win, same can be said for ALL situations
Saforge 1 year ago
@Saforge not really bj penn beat many black belts that have been doing bjj all there lives after he had only been doing it for 3 years when he won the mundials. i have seen people train for 6 months and be better than some that have been training for 8 years. athleticism and the way you learn things has alot to do with it. just like at school there are very gifted students that pick up on things fast same can be said for any martial art
carlsongracieteam 1 year ago
@carlsongracieteam Ehh...i'll agree with u to a certain extent. True, everyone learns at a different rate, has different physical/mental capabilities and limits. I guess when i posted that last comment i was thinking like Rebelwrestler said, a grand master who has been studying ..idk, She Quan his whole life, verses a guy who has a couple monthes of BJJ or Karate experience..the newcomer doesn't have a chance in hell. But your right, i've seen wierder things happen
Saforge 1 year ago
@Saforge like i said there were guys that came in that studied a martial art there whole life and got dominated by wrestlers and bjj, and tbh many of the old martials arts, tkd, karate, she quan, its more of an art not really very good for a fight to be completely honest.
carlsongracieteam 1 year ago
@Nikko1Brown lol..thats retarded
AcademicusMaximus 1 year ago
@AcademicusMaximus no its pure fact... if someone trains mma for only a week and know's all kinds of different strikes, that's more effective then any average agressive street fighter techniqe... the street fighter is still gonna win and thats cuz the mma fighter lacks expierience
XXjofroXX 1 year ago
@XXjofroXX hell no i only no muay thai in i would fuck some one in the street take they legs right from under them then they think im a gto for the hands in boom its to late its more effective then a street fighter
jaythatdude 1 year ago
@jaythatdude yeah i see were your coming from, and if you do muay thai then your probably well trained but thats the reason why... i do mma now but before i started i was a regular street fighter and had been in a bunch of fights, the instructor told me to sparr one of his student's and we both went all out and i won... and i think its because i was more agressive and more familiar with being in fights
XXjofroXX 1 year ago
@XXjofroXX no instructor in his right mind would let a novice go all out with a trained fighter,hed be asking for a lawsuit.If you hadnt decent grappling youd be destroyed by a trained mma student of your own size.Everyone has a punchers chance but grappling,no way.
billysue2 1 year ago
@billysue2 no dont get me wrong he wasnt exactly like a complete trained mma fighter he was only there for like a month, and we didnt do grappling cuz i didnt kno shit about grappling all he did was giv us some boxing gloves and some shin gaurds he told the other guy to go easy but i convinced him to let the dude do his thing and yeah thats wat happened, and ur right ... no matter how many fights youve been in if u dont kno how to fight on the ground and the other guy does then your screwed
XXjofroXX 1 year ago
@Nikko1Brown it matters greatly what art you do because that determines the methods mostly.Arts with full contact or wrestling work,others do not in the vast majority of cases.Do ye know many tai chi or aikido mma champs?
billysue2 1 year ago
@Nikko1Brown
No matter how hard a TKD guy trains, he won't be able to get out of an armbar.
Or block punches directed to his face with no guard.
That's just silly.
Trigger93 11 months ago
@Trigger93
actually they taught a fair bit of grappling when i trained TKD, i think it depends on the school and whether its WTF or ITF
dan314159 11 months ago
I second that
dcyodcyo!!!
braiden1979 2 years ago
I mean just look at SERKAN YILMAZ he is a TKD fighter and he is in MMA/ K1 and he is pretty bad ass
CHRISmartialARTIST 2 years ago
ok first of all this guy is TKD SPORT not real TKD. Real TKD is just as good as MMA BJJ and all other martial arts if used right. most ppl only see and train Sport TKD. im not saying any1 is wrong in saying TKD is useless b.c. some TKD is just like sport Karate is useless and such. Also this supposed TKD black belt in regards to REAL TKD sucks he got no power or speed. JMO so dnt flip ot if u disagree
CHRISmartialARTIST 2 years ago
First of all, comparing TKD to MMA is really stupid.. Mixed martial Arts.. its the best of most martial arts combined used under a discipline that allows one to fight freely..
TDk will never be just as good as MMA.. it is actually known to be one of the most useless martial arts... For taekwondo, you need space to fight, something you probably wont find in a crowded hall, bar.. pretty much in any building.. as for MMA, BJJ can be used from any distance..
tforeignguy 1 year ago
what u ppl are tlking about it hasnt been proved a useless martial art. sport TKD has just as SPORT anything has been proven useless. when i said it was as good as MMA BJJ i didnt mean of it would win i mean of course if u train hard in multiple arts u have an advantage also REAL TKD u dont need space to fight because u use ur whole body. fist, elbows, knees, feet, shoulders, and head YES we do focus primaraly on our legs but that doesnt mean we ONLY focus on our legs we dont need space to fight
CHRISmartialARTIST 1 year ago
ALSO a REAL martial artist and a REAL MMA fighter will tell u. its not the disciplin but the practitioner. i really dont know what you have against TKD. i dnt mean to sound rude but its like u have a personal grudge against it like u fought some1 using it and got the shit beat out of u. but what ever it is. dont disrespect a disciplin older than ur great great great grandparents.
CHRISmartialARTIST 1 year ago
i dont have anything against TKD, i just find it to not be an effective martial art.. unless you are using it as a base to improve your kicking and learn another discipline. no, i have not had my butt kicked by a taekwondo martial artist. Its not disrespecting, what you just said was disrespect towards me. I am just stating the truth. Im a wrestler. wrestling has been around longer than most martial arts, it was one of the first olympic sports, as for taekwondo became a medal sport in 2000.
tforeignguy 1 year ago
Yes, but a good martial art is the one that even the worst fighter out there can use it and it be effective. For TKD to be effective, you need to be a good fighter, or atleast have the potential.
tforeignguy 1 year ago
ur right im sry i was disrespectful to u was not my intention. and ur also right u do have to be good for it to be effective but with most martial arts it is the same way (In my experiance). i really did not intend to be disrespectful to u. but we all have our own opinions.
CHRISmartialARTIST 1 year ago
@tforeignguy very good point in my past 3 mma bouts i fought someone with some sort of tae kwon do background and while their kicks are fast and way unpredictable if you stayed in close they were shellshocked their punches aren't hard at all i personally think people like it because of its flashy kicks and speed
PKtraceur93 1 year ago
@tforeignguy Taekwondo can be very effective if you learn how to apply it to real life fighting correctly.
silkyjohnson123 1 year ago
@silkyjohnson123 actually MMA borrows a kick from TKD the spinning back kick. Very under utilized but devistatingly powerfull if landed. Ive seen fighters walk away with cracked ribs after a blow.
RenmarStriff 1 year ago
@RenmarStriff
Ushiro Geri in Karate. Another handy addition to the mixture of martial art techniques the guy has aquired.
MrTerryKay 1 year ago
@tforeignguy sigh, youre right about mma. but bjj is close game and
no martial art is useless... just because its not applicable in a street fight doesnt render it useless.
tkd is a sport not a way to kill people....its like saying basketball is dumb cause you cant fuck up people with it
heyoitzak 1 year ago
TKD has no chance against MT. Period.
NinjaWarriorDude 2 years ago
everyone has a fucking opinion. get a life. by the way, video should be called beautiful flying submission.
dcyodcyo 2 years ago
TKD is useless in any other situation other than tkd matches, but in the other hand, why do all mma show offs look like they are on steroids???
Also, bjj is great, i practice that myself, but it is really useless in a crowded bar, or against multiple oponents, krav maga, kuntao or similars are way better for those situations
mashmnky 2 years ago
@mashmnky I think that aren't steroids.. Pure muscle dude :| !!
rubenruben001 2 years ago
@transfigured - exactly! few people realize how easily a forearm breaks when force is applied from the right angles. about 15 lbs of pressure will snap the arm of an incoming attack which makes the rapid succession of punches seen in mma almost useless. against a good traditional master those sloppy mma punches would be countered with bone breaking joint locks. as you said, mma works great in the cage but always fails when the rules aren't their to stop the techniques that maim and kill
nicerebound 2 years ago
No disrespect to MMA or any martial art, but there is a differance between sports such as Muay Thai, keyukushikai, BJJ, Jujitsu, kickboxing, MMA, and fighting systems that have been used succesfully in war even on todays battlefield, such as Wing chun, Wadu Ryu, Mauy Boran, Mantis, Dim mak chin na. You never see MMA set up a snap kick to break legs, or attack punches by breaking forearms as a counter when they strike, or planting their heel between the shoulder joint, I do this in fights!!!
TheTransfigured 2 years ago
It is not the fighting system that prevails or looses, but the fighter!!! In the ring MMA works brilliantly, in a war zone when u get bum rushed after u just booted a door in and your collegues dont have a clear shot, MMA is useless, u fall to the floor, ya buddies shoot him, his buddies stomp ya brains outa ya skull, u instead break his arm he stabs u, his buddies finish the job, a rapid succession of strikes to the opponents center line, aiming at key areas such as nerve clustser, n he out.
TheTransfigured 2 years ago
@TheTransfigured your an idiot, MMA is all martial arts not a perticular style, and if you did any reaserach about military hand to hand combat you would know that the whole US military trains in some form of Gracie Jiu-jitsu, which applies great for MMA, another thing you forget is that what if the MMA fighter could use the same dirty tactics as anyone else, and dont even say that MMA fighters have sloppy stand up, look at Mirko Cro Cop hes a bum in the UFC but hes an ex K1 Kickboxing champ
hazard2000 2 years ago
the US army trains in what experts thought were the best of the early UFC matches. the original point of UFC was to find a good martial art for the US army.
GeMedhurst 2 years ago
The US army had nothing to do with the UFC, the gracies started the UFC to try and make jiu-jitsu more popular, the whole US army trains in gracie combatives, look it up and stop making shit up
hazard2000 2 years ago
thats what it said on wikipedia. i was just making a comment i dont see why your being so agressive.
GeMedhurst 2 years ago
Well you have to admit the TKD guy did a lot better then most traditional martial artist do against MMA.
Pharaun317 2 years ago
In case you mistook 1:40 as a takedown on the part of the TKD guy, lets just say that it was an intentional sacrificial throw on the part of the mma guy. Watch his jump at 1:38 and how he grabs the TKD guy's leg as he breaks his opponent's balance and transitions nicely into a triangle.
TKD guy fare as well as the rest, submission.
shardakar 2 years ago
IM AN MMA FIGHTER AND I LIVE IN NC ORIGINALLY FROM NJ, I WRESTLED THREW HS AND BOXED.WHAT I DO IS GO AROUND TO ALL OF THESE BULLSHITO McDOJOS AND CHALLNGE THE HIGHEST RANKING INSTRUCTOR TO A REAL LIVE FIGHT SITUATION KEY WORD REAL AND THIS IS NOT TO DISRESPECT THERE ART BUT TO SHOW WHAT WORKS AND WHAT DOES NOT. ALL THESE FANCY KICKS AND STUFF DONT TEACH U TO FIGHT IF ANYTHING IT TEACHES U TO DANCE. HALF WONT ACCEPT THE OTHER HALF LOSES IV BEEN BEATEN ONCE BY A FELLOW MMA FIGHTER THAT DID JKD.
anon9x9 2 years ago
il do it im a Black belt in judo MMA champion BJJ blue belt and TKD 6 Dan black belt and a gold glove in boxing
js0290 2 years ago
proove it..whats your name? ill look you up. theres no way you have that many titles and arent listed
JNFS86 2 years ago 7
Sorry tranny, you are a pathetic freak. You and your kind only want attention. If there are any LEGITIMATE challenges I will accept. Next?
truthmasta 2 years ago
lol i know i wouldnt want to either he or she or whatever the fuck it is probabaly jus wants to grapple with you friken weirdo
eyezaya 2 years ago
so i guess your chickening out on the excuse that i only want attention? ok whatever but for future reference dont talk shit and make phony challenges that you cant back up regardless of your excuse as to why. but my offer still stands if your "man" enough to accept it you phony.
audrey29tg 2 years ago
the takedown was smooth but on cement he would hurt himself more than the other guy.
DasCrimson 2 years ago
Screw it, this MMA shit is so fake, I will PROVE IT!! I challenge ANY so called MMA "fighter" who is man enough to step up and face me. I'm calling you out you bunch of frauds!!!!!
truthmasta 2 years ago
where do you live?
imtonasty 2 years ago
No, no, no, that's not how this works pansy. I issued the challenge, therefore I make the rules. YOU tell me where YOU live and I will decide how far to travel. After all, breaking, embarrassing, and humiliating one of you frauds will be less challenge than one of Vince McMahon's circus animals. At least THEY are in shape.
truthmasta 2 years ago
how is it fake u stupid mudafuker,... if it was fake would it be the biggest growing sport right now?? mma is the closet to real fightin as a sport is gonna come.. ur a stupid as redneck huh.. fukin hate u ppl
0junior6 2 years ago
lol troll
lucubration808 2 years ago
"truthmasta" are you serious? if you think MMA (UFC) is fake, you're a fucking retard.
Rethgore 2 years ago
I'm in britain.. midlands?
LuqmanNaq 2 years ago
i accept. im even a transsexual but i used to be a professional mma national champion in the isja, so this is my offer ( im dead serious ) ill bring some cameras , ill wager 2500 dollars and on top of that if you last 5 full minutes ill give you my 2500 even if i still win but if i beat you within 5 minutes i get your money and your written permission to post the video on my youtube channel. it would be very shameful for you to get beat by a transsexual but you made the challenge and i accept.
audrey29tg 2 years ago
Hi hun im a fit man from Australia..if you ever want to hook up let me know!
danielmy08 2 years ago
Nice try you fucking troll.
dirtydodger 2 years ago
This comment has received too many negative votes show
MMA is fake, it is more staged than Vince McMahon's show. Any of these so called "fighters" would have their asses HANDED to them by any semi-pro boxer or real martial artist in 30 seconds or less.
truthmasta 2 years ago
MMA IS martial arts..it isn't a show .... it's a style of fighting..
Mixed MARTIAL ARTS!
IdontCheckMyEmails 2 years ago
and every martial artist and semi pro boxer that stepped up DID get their asses handed to them by someone who ONLY used jiu jitsu which is a main grappling style of MMA so yeah, you suck.
lucubration808 2 years ago
who's the mma guy?? he got some pretty nifty ground game awesome :) it would have been better if them both had been the around the same height.
gusto1978 2 years ago
Question:
When he'S locked up why can't he step on the MMA guy'S throat. Or your right this is SPORTS and not combat.
micsir888 2 years ago
Because he has no position to do that and the guy could snap his neck with a little more pressure?
Yes it's a sport, just like boxing.
Taekwondo is also a sport, just like dancing...
BooMeRLiNSKi 2 years ago
answer: because he is not in the position where he can step on the throat..and with just little more pressure with the "lock", the MMA fighter could snap his neck off..
invain143 2 years ago
why don't you learn some more about the Triangle Choke and then talk.
TKD is very beautifull sport but MMA is the most praktical sport EVER!
djambyLamro 2 years ago 2
stepping on the throat isn't as effective...opponent can move or roll away from your foot or ankle lock you while he got you in a triangle...hahaha, i would like to see someone be in those two hold...and yes, it can be done
jestermoua 2 years ago
No questions.
pizzy1969 2 years ago
if you put tony ja and Anderson Silva in a fight i would put every thing i owned on anderson silva
Gh0st0fPerdition 2 years ago
the mma guy is definitely a skilled and confident fighter...the tae kwan do guy was alot less secure with his own fighting ability...what I'd like to see is two fighters of the same caliber...think Bruce lee or Tony Ja against an mma fighter..Ive met people as good as the both of them, and ive yet to see an mma fighter go against a really good tae kwan do, kung fu, or jeet kun do fighter..a real martial artist has very fast reflexes and that tae kwan do guy pretty much sucked and was overpowered
casualplayaz 2 years ago
"i meet people as good as both of them"
Haha sure u have
ronbaberiba 2 years ago
so much for the takedown, he had a triangle on the tkd guy the second he landed
spopko 2 years ago
Look! to anyone hating on this guy, youre blinded by your own jealousy. I personally dont do the tiny shorts and oily bodies but CLEARLY this TMA fighter is outclassed and the takedown is SWEET. my school shares space with a BJJ instructor and i get into his class whenever i can. youre not betraying anyone by learning effective techniques. youre doing your family/school a service by being a well rounded fighter. i never ignore useful information, even if i hate these arrogant MMA pricks.
violentbuddha 2 years ago
no they all have something you can use.
codenamekai 2 years ago
actually mma is mixed martial arts. That means ANY mix. It isn't just the mainstream ones u see in ufc and pride. And looking at it that way ALL arts are good and u can take something from all of them. That would be a complete martial artist.
codenamekai 2 years ago 2
How does looking at it that way make all arts good? There are martial arts out there which are so impractical they can actually make you a worse fighter for training in them.
Ljenkins9000 2 years ago
I said that there is something in all arts that you can learn. Not everything is good but u shouldn't be so closed minded as to think that only those few martial arts have anything to offer.
codenamekai 2 years ago
Point taken. Kung Fu is pretty worthless overall, but some of their training exercises would be pretty useful if added to other, more practical arts.
Ljenkins9000 2 years ago
i couldnt stand the fucking gay ass music playing
m3talman774 2 years ago 3
who is the stronger? A man with a gun.
Chimpanpan 2 years ago