I still prefer Ryouki Abe kata, looks stronger and his hips moves appear be faster, more controlled and moves are more well-marked... I`m shotokan, so don`t know how the kata should be, and everything else...
C'mon guys! This is not the style I practice, but I respect the level of skill displayed. Actually, I was in the Okinawan Tournament last Aug. and I was beaten by this very kata! The intresting thing is, how well everyone got along in the tornament! People from all over the world, different styles different countries accepting oneanother. We all apparently practice a form of martial art, point is, show respect and you get it in return! ;)
I dont know this kata, but I know skill, the first guy is better than the second guy, by a fair amount, the second guy is not bad, the first guy is just real good.
You do know skill huh? He has fast hands and relies on them too much. His hand use says he knows nothing of actual combative karate (the real intent). His lower body use is terrible, he is "up" most of his kata. So, How is it that he is skilled? Ever hear of long term study, shu-ha-ri, kata by bunkai (that would be actual combative bunkai rather that the assignment of nonsense). Kata is based on that and there is none here. The exuberance of youth is prevelant.
Ok, so I looked at your page and you have a huge chip on your shoulder about what is real and what is not. Let me just say this, kata is kata, fighting is fighting, they are related but not the same no matter if you know both sides of a kata or even if you have someone doing the opposite side as you train, it is still NOT FIGHTING. I dont care how original it is, things improve over time, do you think some guy in okinawa just came up with perfection the first time, or did it improve with time?
Funny, if it were you, it would be an opinion but it is mine so it is a chip. Ok, the chip says: Okinawa developed an art and used their language to name it. If you change it you invalidate it as theirs so you invalidate the name also. The west uses the name of a mystical, unique art for their own selfish purposes. Most of what I have seen in 45 years is just junk. Improvemenmnt? What i see here is hardly an improvement and, again, most of what I see is a detriment. That is my point. The Chip
If you want to be a strict traditionalist, great, somebody should or things will go away. I really don't care what people call an art so much, all karate means to me is empty hand, I have never trained in it. Wing Chun, TKD, Kuntaw, Aikido, yea, but never karate. One thing I have seen, is the same techniques are used by many schools, and really, the body can only move so many ways, so that makes some sense. I don't think any style is the best. It is the artist, not the art.
Let me see if I understand your point; I put on a hakama, devise some joint locks and throws, call it Aikido and sell it to the unknowing and that is ok with you? Any technique I do that looks Aikidoish is ok? So, basically, I can do as I see fit because I can change things as I see fit and it is ok because it is me? I am not talking about style, I am talking about truth, honesty and integrity. I am talking about preservation not exploitation. I notice you didn't bring that up from my profile.
Well, I really don't care what you wear or call your art, the truth comes out in sparring. Like I said, I think it is good that some people like yourself preserve things, but that does not make people who mix and match wrong. When you trace back most styles you find someone who took a few styles and melded them. This does not bother me. I learned a long time ago that there are things I can do, and things I can't, so I keep the ones I can and don't worry about what my style is.
What does my age have anything to do with the fact that Antonio Diaz placed 2nd overall in Men's kata at the 2008 WKF World Championships in Tokyo? Don't get smart, I don't care how old you are, you're barking up the wrong tree.
Japan was once an extremely imperialistic nation and Okinawa was 'adopted' by them only recently. because of this, Okinawans were viewed as second class citizens including everything they did ie:goju ryu. Goju ryu was only accepted as an official budo in 1933 and then in 1998 was recognized as a koryu bujitsu.goju ryu was seen as a lower martial art because it is originally Okinawan. because of this many goju places keep to tradition because they dont want to lose their identity. good for them.
kata is not for looking good or winning championships, its an aid for developing fighting skills, on its own kata means nothing, practiced alongside bunkai, hoju undo, kumite, padwork now youre talking, all the bullshit about hand positioning is crap, youre hands would be positioned according to the situation e.g.the height of the opponent, sport karate makes me sick. it gives people false confidence.
Kata on its own is all one needs. Kumite was developed to make karate into a sport. Kata gives you the tools to defend your self on the street aginst more than one person. Knowing just the movents is nothing. Your are correct about Bunkai. But know Bunkai along with the reason for a movent based on your surroundings and the people you are fighting is where its at. OSS
You can't build half a ship and expect to sail her.
In other words, in order for Karate to be practical, the need for Kumite is essential, as whilst the study of Kata and it's related Bunkai and Oyo is a must, one must have a way of testing whether what one has learned from the Kata is actually workable in a live non-compliant scenario.
I couldn't agree more. Kat may teach you principles of combat interaction, but it doesn't teach you how to deal with stress or adrenaline rushes. Nor does it really show you how to deal with unpredictable opponents. Kumite is a valuable addition to modern syllabus. You don't see UFC champions get to high standard solely with floor drills and padwork do you?
So don't you thnk that aiming for optimal positioning during practice has value? As you say, during a real conflict, your positioning will vary according to a myriad of factors, but during solo practice, one should surely attempt to position everything optimally. Only once the reasons why these are optimal, can one get the most in sub-optimal positions.
I would have to question that assumption. Because he's the "looking good" champion, doesn't mean he's right. Kata has been ruined by exaggerated and showy competition techniques, so if he positioned for aesthetics rather than function, he wouldn't be the first.
how can Antonio Díaz be "goju world champion" when he is shito ryu practicioner? His suparimpei also is not goju, it is shitei, and it looks more like shito ryu than Okinawan.
Ok. Tell him also that his shitei suparimpei is enjoyable, even though it is very different than most Okinawan suparimpei you can see in different Okinawan kaiha.
kata selected by JKA or WKF for competition. They standardize kata for tournaments. Usually Okinawan karateka do not want to change traditional kata in order to adapt to JKA or WKF standards, so theirs look different. So if you look in youtube for Okinawan versions of these same kata, you will see the differences.
shitei are the katas used for the first round of a tournament and you must do them "by the book", in theory everyone on the planet are supposed to make them the same way... there are only 2 shitei katas per style in the WKF, and suparimpei is not one of them. It's a tokui kata... a kata you can change a little. Diaz is doing a goju kata... let's say a "sport" goju ryu kata....
OMG its great! ^^
DarthLawya 1 year ago
I still prefer Ryouki Abe kata, looks stronger and his hips moves appear be faster, more controlled and moves are more well-marked... I`m shotokan, so don`t know how the kata should be, and everything else...
GuilhermeBlassioli 1 year ago
C'mon guys! This is not the style I practice, but I respect the level of skill displayed. Actually, I was in the Okinawan Tournament last Aug. and I was beaten by this very kata! The intresting thing is, how well everyone got along in the tornament! People from all over the world, different styles different countries accepting oneanother. We all apparently practice a form of martial art, point is, show respect and you get it in return! ;)
Lady0Lela0the2nd 1 year ago
it's called breathing! kinda essential rather than incessent.
suckmelikeapolo 2 years ago
whatès that incessant noise... that accompanies his every movement. Itès not a normal gi snap that's for sure
deathbyninjastar 2 years ago
I dont know this kata, but I know skill, the first guy is better than the second guy, by a fair amount, the second guy is not bad, the first guy is just real good.
SuperKixxx 2 years ago
You do know skill huh? He has fast hands and relies on them too much. His hand use says he knows nothing of actual combative karate (the real intent). His lower body use is terrible, he is "up" most of his kata. So, How is it that he is skilled? Ever hear of long term study, shu-ha-ri, kata by bunkai (that would be actual combative bunkai rather that the assignment of nonsense). Kata is based on that and there is none here. The exuberance of youth is prevelant.
IEKUKATAKA 2 years ago
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SuperKixxx 2 years ago
Ok, so I looked at your page and you have a huge chip on your shoulder about what is real and what is not. Let me just say this, kata is kata, fighting is fighting, they are related but not the same no matter if you know both sides of a kata or even if you have someone doing the opposite side as you train, it is still NOT FIGHTING. I dont care how original it is, things improve over time, do you think some guy in okinawa just came up with perfection the first time, or did it improve with time?
SuperKixxx 2 years ago 2
Funny, if it were you, it would be an opinion but it is mine so it is a chip. Ok, the chip says: Okinawa developed an art and used their language to name it. If you change it you invalidate it as theirs so you invalidate the name also. The west uses the name of a mystical, unique art for their own selfish purposes. Most of what I have seen in 45 years is just junk. Improvemenmnt? What i see here is hardly an improvement and, again, most of what I see is a detriment. That is my point. The Chip
IEKUKATAKA 2 years ago
If you want to be a strict traditionalist, great, somebody should or things will go away. I really don't care what people call an art so much, all karate means to me is empty hand, I have never trained in it. Wing Chun, TKD, Kuntaw, Aikido, yea, but never karate. One thing I have seen, is the same techniques are used by many schools, and really, the body can only move so many ways, so that makes some sense. I don't think any style is the best. It is the artist, not the art.
SuperKixxx 2 years ago
Let me see if I understand your point; I put on a hakama, devise some joint locks and throws, call it Aikido and sell it to the unknowing and that is ok with you? Any technique I do that looks Aikidoish is ok? So, basically, I can do as I see fit because I can change things as I see fit and it is ok because it is me? I am not talking about style, I am talking about truth, honesty and integrity. I am talking about preservation not exploitation. I notice you didn't bring that up from my profile.
IEKUKATAKA 2 years ago
Well, I really don't care what you wear or call your art, the truth comes out in sparring. Like I said, I think it is good that some people like yourself preserve things, but that does not make people who mix and match wrong. When you trace back most styles you find someone who took a few styles and melded them. This does not bother me. I learned a long time ago that there are things I can do, and things I can't, so I keep the ones I can and don't worry about what my style is.
SuperKixxx 2 years ago
Is that why he's 2nd best in the world? lol
dynamic21 2 years ago
'Sat supposed to be funny? How would you know the truth of anything at 22?
IEKUKATAKA 2 years ago
What does my age have anything to do with the fact that Antonio Diaz placed 2nd overall in Men's kata at the 2008 WKF World Championships in Tokyo? Don't get smart, I don't care how old you are, you're barking up the wrong tree.
dynamic21 2 years ago
really well done!
alexmald 2 years ago
i thought the looked well snappy and strong, looked well good, i dont do this style but damn it looked strong
atheletsfootisalive 2 years ago
can anyone tell me why his "cat" stance is so high?
BRAWL001 2 years ago
It isn't. The video has been squished slightly so his stances look shorter and higher than reality.
dynamic21 2 years ago
This kata might be right or wrong, still, they must have been practicing for a very long time to get to that point !
Lacasal 2 years ago
sharp but not goju
Lynchy1001 3 years ago
"Usually Okinawan karateka do not want to change traditional kata in order to adapt to JKA or WKF standards"
Tell me WHY?,
senseiince 3 years ago
Japan was once an extremely imperialistic nation and Okinawa was 'adopted' by them only recently. because of this, Okinawans were viewed as second class citizens including everything they did ie:goju ryu. Goju ryu was only accepted as an official budo in 1933 and then in 1998 was recognized as a koryu bujitsu.goju ryu was seen as a lower martial art because it is originally Okinawan. because of this many goju places keep to tradition because they dont want to lose their identity. good for them.
Bulosan21 2 years ago
bull shit!!!!!!!!!!!
RnBaLbaChiC20 3 years ago
His hand position on hiki te is too low and he is lacking muchi mi
joekyo1 3 years ago
I think the world champion may be a little better at deciding whether his hand position is correct rather than you!
stoofer2 3 years ago
I agree... but I don't think he's ever won a WKF Championship before.
dynamic21 3 years ago
kata is not for looking good or winning championships, its an aid for developing fighting skills, on its own kata means nothing, practiced alongside bunkai, hoju undo, kumite, padwork now youre talking, all the bullshit about hand positioning is crap, youre hands would be positioned according to the situation e.g.the height of the opponent, sport karate makes me sick. it gives people false confidence.
singhakabuttar 3 years ago
Kata on its own is all one needs. Kumite was developed to make karate into a sport. Kata gives you the tools to defend your self on the street aginst more than one person. Knowing just the movents is nothing. Your are correct about Bunkai. But know Bunkai along with the reason for a movent based on your surroundings and the people you are fighting is where its at. OSS
leykisfan1 2 years ago
thanks for the reply, what style do you practice.?
singhakabuttar 2 years ago
You can't build half a ship and expect to sail her.
In other words, in order for Karate to be practical, the need for Kumite is essential, as whilst the study of Kata and it's related Bunkai and Oyo is a must, one must have a way of testing whether what one has learned from the Kata is actually workable in a live non-compliant scenario.
JCAlcatraz 2 years ago
I couldn't agree more. Kat may teach you principles of combat interaction, but it doesn't teach you how to deal with stress or adrenaline rushes. Nor does it really show you how to deal with unpredictable opponents. Kumite is a valuable addition to modern syllabus. You don't see UFC champions get to high standard solely with floor drills and padwork do you?
matbroomfield 2 years ago
So don't you thnk that aiming for optimal positioning during practice has value? As you say, during a real conflict, your positioning will vary according to a myriad of factors, but during solo practice, one should surely attempt to position everything optimally. Only once the reasons why these are optimal, can one get the most in sub-optimal positions.
matbroomfield 2 years ago
say what????????????????????????????
singhakabuttar 2 years ago
I would have to question that assumption. Because he's the "looking good" champion, doesn't mean he's right. Kata has been ruined by exaggerated and showy competition techniques, so if he positioned for aesthetics rather than function, he wouldn't be the first.
matbroomfield 2 years ago
Awesome. Where can I get a download?
pubzorro 4 years ago
Although very crisp and precise, the Goju version does not look like Goju.
Colemandina 4 years ago
Great video. Thanks for posting this.
VMfudokan 4 years ago
how can Antonio Díaz be "goju world champion" when he is shito ryu practicioner? His suparimpei also is not goju, it is shitei, and it looks more like shito ryu than Okinawan.
malasangre 4 years ago 2
I'll ask him
tomasleeman 4 years ago
Ok. Tell him also that his shitei suparimpei is enjoyable, even though it is very different than most Okinawan suparimpei you can see in different Okinawan kaiha.
malasangre 4 years ago
What's a shitei version????
Karatedo94 4 years ago
kata selected by JKA or WKF for competition. They standardize kata for tournaments. Usually Okinawan karateka do not want to change traditional kata in order to adapt to JKA or WKF standards, so theirs look different. So if you look in youtube for Okinawan versions of these same kata, you will see the differences.
malasangre 4 years ago
shitei are the katas used for the first round of a tournament and you must do them "by the book", in theory everyone on the planet are supposed to make them the same way... there are only 2 shitei katas per style in the WKF, and suparimpei is not one of them. It's a tokui kata... a kata you can change a little. Diaz is doing a goju kata... let's say a "sport" goju ryu kata....
KDaph0312 4 years ago
the seienchin they do IS the shitei kata (one of the 2 for shito ryu)
KDaph0312 4 years ago
Awesome
22645522 4 years ago
Are these the shitei versions?
malasangre 4 years ago
I am not saying the contrary, I really enjoy that kind of open mind
alex8783 4 years ago
That is really interesting that you show goju and shito, as you are a shotokan sensei?
alex8783 4 years ago
Why not? Karate is Karate all styles are good.
tomasleeman 4 years ago
Is this recent? very nice video.
alex8783 4 years ago
7/26/2007
tomasleeman 4 years ago
Awesome, both versions!
makai2006 4 years ago