Child Rape and the Modern State by the Southern Avenger

[seltian]

The death penalty is moral hypocrisy. It makes no sense to enforce laws against murder and rape by killing people. The government has no more right to kill people than the murderers do.

The only problem with the SC decision is that it did not totally ban the death penalty.

[zzJerryShufflezz]

@seltian Once you rape or kill you are no longer a human being, you're scum and you should be dealt with as such.

[sabbath000eddy]

This film is very interesting. Thank you.

[wikiriwhi]

Janet Renio got awayt with murder and child abuse at Waco

[devildogmre]

Government only cares about preserving itself.

The indivdual, the people themselves are irrelevant in this globalist agenda.

Keep on shootin' straight SA!

[Libertarian333]

It's not just a modern phenomenon. The state has always existed as the claimed owner of the people it rules. That's the whole purpose of the state: to own us as livestock and live off our productive efforts. It's an institution created by and for parasites that's had twelve millenia to evolve into the most efficient system of plunder possible. All the "services" it claims to provide and all the propaganda about it serving the people, including elections, are meant to keep us docile and obedient.

[Silvsilvchan]

Fun fact you should have used: Timothy McVeigh was tried and sentenced to death for treason and damage to federal property long before he was tried for the deaths of two hundred and fifty plus Americans, including children that he slew. Because the government's property is more valuable than our lives.

[Silvsilvchan]

And of course the death penalty should be a state's right, I agree whole heartily with that point. But to play devil's advocate, what if a state other than Texas made, say, jaywalking punishable by death? Should it not be the Federal Government's duty to step in and stop such a thing? If so, where do you draw the line? At which point is it appropriate for the Fed to stop a state from executing some one? You can see the problematics there. While I certainly doubt that would happen.

[Silvsilvchan]

However I do agree, if you convict some one of child rape one of three punishments needs to take place. Life imprisonment with out parole (and possibly allowing every other inmate in the state penitentary know what they are in for, snakes know when a rat is in their midst and tend to relish swallowing it whole), castration (should be voluntary on the part of the offender, and just to be PC you could spay female offenders. =P), or yes the death penalty which should be painless.

[utubehayter]

The female equivalent of castration is not spaying, but surgical removal of the vagina.

[Silvsilvchan]

I was being facetious.

[Silvsilvchan]

this behavior is wrong. Mr. Underwood received the death penalty, as he should have, and justice will be dispensed. But even if by some way of miracle he hadn't, or this had been a state which used its state's right to ban the death penalty, and he spent the rest of his life in prison it would not be that man's place, or mine as much as I would day dream about it, to go forth and put a bullet in his head. That is a slippery slope, and I don't think I should have to procrastinate further.

[Silvsilvchan]

I can relate to this as only a few years ago a Kevin Ray Underwood molested, tortured, killed, then attempted to cannibalize a ten year old girl in my state of Oklahoma. They found the corpse in his apartment, he even pointed the police to it. A few days later a man went into the prison he was being held in with a rope and a stool and demanded he be hung right then and there. As undeniabley guilty as Kevin was, and as close to home as that crime hit me (continued)

[Silvsilvchan]

However playing judge jury and executioner ala Frank Castle, while romantic and satisfying, is a good way for some one to kill and innocent person. It is what a conservative friend of mine calls 'brown coating' a reference both to the Nazis and the Bostonains (who wore brown coats). Men should be ruled by law, not by the whims of other men and I would hate to be thought to be a child molester when I am in fact innocent, then be hunted down and killed like an animal for it. (continued)

[Silvsilvchan]

But the public in general was unaware of this or didn't care, they wanted those bastards to hang. Jefferson of course stepped up, provided all the proper evidence, and got the proper ruling of not guilty and having them be relenquished of any penalty. While if you catch some one in the act of a crime, especially one like rape, murder attempted or having just been committed in front of you, so on and so forth do the right thing and blow the son of a bitch away. (continued)

[Silvsilvchan]

Eh, I disagree with the point on vigilante justice my friend. Ever read about Thomas Jefferson's role in the Boston Massacre? He defended the British soldiers that shot the Bostonian civilians. Simply put the soldiers acted in self defense, the Bostonites were throwing bricks and bottles at them, actually bringing blood from one's forehead as they were backed into an alley with a dead end and each soldier only fired one shot before the mob scattered. AKA, it was self defense. (continued)

[theunknownknows]

I don't understand why more parents don't flip out and kill these people themselves. I wouldn't even call the cops. The person would just accidentally slip and fall. From a small plane. At 12,000 feet. Over the Burmuda Triangle. Parents are cowards these days. Why involve the State?

[KarateKidX]

I don't like the death penalty in the first place for various reasons.

That was a poor ruling of the supreme court to not abolish the death penalty for other offences.

[BorislavX]

Liberals and libertarians must want softer laws against child rapists so they can have sex with children and teenagers...

[Silvsilvchan]

Ha ha ha fuck you.

[utubehayter]

You do know that Libertarians are conservatives, sans the religious right (Hagey style), correct? Even SA is a Libertarian-conservative.

[BorislavX]

Yes, I do, however on social issues, libertarians consistently side with the left.

[utubehayter]

So you want to impose your moral values on others? How is this a social issue? This is a legal issue, one of power and hence about the contract between govt and governed. The govt should ideally never have the authority to murder people, whether a majority approves of it or not. Now you can make exceptions to the rule, but every extension of these exceptions ought to be carefully considered. In this particular case, it turns out that the extension was not granted. I am glad that it was not.

[utubehayter]

I see that your blog says God bless Israel.. I have to ask, what did Israel do for you? Do you live there?

[BorislavX]

Israel is the only place in the middle east Christians can worship without fear of being slaughtered.

[Silvsilvchan]

That would be illegal in several of them, but I suppose that doesn't take away the fear of it?

But you would still fear being slaughtered in Israel regardless of what religion you are. HELL, fear of being slaughtered any where in the middle east regardless of your religion is realistic. You are splitting hairs.

[utubehayter]

Where do you get your news from? Even in Saddam's tyranny in Iraq, Christians were allowed to practice their own religion. There are a few Palestinian Christian organizations too, if you want to learn reality that is. Muslims often have no problem with Christians and Jews, because they consider them as book-brothers.

[BorislavX]

Complete nonsense. It is a fact that Christians have been persecuted in all, yes ALL Islamic countries.

While you may have the knowledge to educate me on libertarians and their positions, please do not try to educate me on Islam. I have read the Qu'ran numerous times, and I have studied the Islamic Hadiths (life of Mo). In fact the Qu'ran states that Jews and Christians have been turned into "apes and pigs". Why don't you buy a Qu'ran and take a good look at teh Surah of the Sword.

[BorislavX]

Yep, that is why many Islamic countries punish those who would convert to Christianity or Judaism by death.

Get your facts straight.

Why don't you do your homework on the spreading of Islam by the Sword, the sack of Constantinople, the battle at the gates of Vienna, before making claims which you can not support because of your lack of knowledge of Islam and religious history.

[utubehayter]

What you are reading is completely and utterly biased history as taught by Christian historians (affiliated with the church). Are there excesses in Islam - YES! But then so are with Christianity - the British used religion to spread colonialism, looked down on non-christians. The Dutch converted the colonies they occupied into Christians.

Besides, practicing a different faith is not prohibited converting out of Islam is sometimes punished. Draconian - yes, which is why the US is so great

[Silvsilvchan]

I see you possess a great deal of ignorance concerning libertarianism. Do Libertarians and Liberals hold the same views on political correctness (and if you say yes to this one I doubt I will ever stop laughing)? Gay rights, gay marriage specifically? Gun laws? Abortion (I will admit this one is close to the same views as liberals, though it varies by Libertarian)?

[BorislavX]

Perhaps I do. Please educate me.

As far as I know may libertarians support Gay marriage and Abortion on demand. Many also support legalizing hard drugs and oppose the death penalty even in extreme cases like child molestation.

[utubehayter]

Libertarians see it as encroachment and growing of Govt power to control or dictate marriage.

And yes, they are for legalizing everything that involves consenting adults and is not harming a third party. So Prostitution and hard drugs should be not be illegal. Death penalty can be used but only in cases where you are absolutely sure that you got the right person, and have absolute proof that the crime occurred. Since nothing can be absolute, except death, death makes a penalty.

[utubehayter]

No Libertarian person supports abortion on demand, however, abortion should not be illegal - because there exist conditions where abortion is justified. Eg. Life of mother, severely deformed or damaged fetus, rape related pregnancy etc. Also, unless there is going to be someone worthwhile adopting the child, there isn't much future for the child. So that is where religious conservatives need to act and take charge - if they are that bent on avoiding abortion.

[Libertarian333]

libertarian positions...

Gay marriage: govt shouldn't be involved in marriage at all

Abortion: hotly debated topic, libertarians have numerous differing opinions, though most support to some extent

Drugs: it's no one else's business what chemical reactions a person chooses to have in their brain... other people don't belong to you

Death penalty: another topic for debate, no consensus, though most oppose

Child molestation: a criminal act, no different from rape or any other physical assault

[utubehayter]

SA, in light of false accusations and public outcry over heinous crimes like rape, it becomes more likely that an overzealous DA will prosecute innocent people as rapists. If at latter time, the accused is found innocent, and if he is dead - how will that be justice?

[BorislavX]

Liberals say that they would rather have 99 guilty men go free to free 1 innocent man.

I would rather an innocent man go to jail than to see child rapists walk free.

[utubehayter]

OK, let that innocent man be you.

[BorislavX]

Could be me, could be you, could be someone close to you, could be someone you've known your whole life!

[utubehayter]

If innocent men are going to be put to death, let the first one be you. Imagine your kids on the streets - subjected to perverted strangers because you were put down. Imagine your life being brought to an end because someone felt that you should be put to death, ignoring your innocence. Let people remember you as a monster, even though you did nothing.

[BorislavX]

If you asked me right now. Shall we rape your daughter or kill you, I would choose death, so if my death will protect my daughter I will gladly give my life. I think you would do the same for your kids, wouldn't you?

[utubehayter]

In your world, govt will have the right to put innocent men to death. And you call others "Liberals"? What are you yourself?

Its funny how criminals in your world give you a choice between you dying and your daughter being raped. If it was me, I would accept neither. How am I supposed to know that the person is not going to rape my kids after I die? It would be stupid to allow such a vile person such power. Do you seriously believe that death of a parent can create safety for kids?

[BorislavX]

And in your world rapists would be allowed to brutalize children without punishment.

If anything you as a libritarian which I assume you are should be on the side of the states in this issue, and not on the side of 5 judges in dirty black robes that ruled in favor of child rapists.

[utubehayter]

And you are assuming that how? I already said, no death penalty. Not no prison sentence. Of course child rapists should be punished. The judges did not legitimize child rape. Why does everything have to be Black-and-White for you? Besides you are arguing for sending even innocent men to death to "protect children". Take it one step further and you will realize that its stupid to kill innocent adults to protect children. Nothing protects children, unless you put all adults to death, shall we?

[BorislavX]

You're twisting what I said friend.

I do not advocate "executing innocent adults". I am however for executing repeated child rapists as was voted and decided by the people of South Carolina, Texas and 3 other states.

You however, do not only opposite the states rights to govern themselves, but also seem to think that my tax money should go towards keeping violent rapists alive and giving them 3 square meals for the rest of their lives. You want em alive, you pay for em out of your paycheck.

[BorislavX]

I guess its ok for you to assume that I want to execute innocent people right?

[utubehayter]

Then why are you arguing? SA had a problem with Supreme court deciding that death penalty was too much of a punishment for child rape. You chose to look at it as no imprisonment. And while I agree with SA that Federal Govt. should not impose its decisions controlling state courts (state rights), in this case, I hope states themselves look at the data and change for more fairer policies.

[Silvsilvchan]

"And in your world rapists would be allowed to brutalize children without punishment."

No, rapists with out solid evidence against them would.

Though I do completely disagree with the notion of the death penalty. If we find you guilty with out a shadow of a -reasonable- doubt other wise I find the death penalty appropriate for convicted rapists.

"You're twisting what I said friend."

"Liberals say that they would rather have 99 guilty men go free to free 1 innocent man."

No they aren't. =P

[utubehayter]

Well thats the thing, unless you raped a child on national television, how can anyone prove beyond a shadow of reasonable doubt? What about a biased jury? Put a black man on trial with a 100% white supremacist jury, or remember OJS, is that acceptable standard of reasonable doubt?

Death penalty is never appropriate in a crime that has so much in terms of false accusations, difficulty of proof and burden of proof being placed often on the accused rather than the accuser.

[Silvsilvchan]

Reasonable doubt. You can always have some UNREASONABLE doubt. So no, not 100%. But the legal system is set up that if it even seems remotely likely based on the facts, things that don't add up, faulty evidence then no. You don't prosecute. It is what got OJ Simpson off the hook. =P

[jpbalkenende]

In favor of Hitler as well!

[BorislavX]

Yes, I guess I am just like Hitler, because I want to execute people who destroy the lives of children.

Thats what Hitler is known for!

Thanks for the clarification.

[jpbalkenende]

Hahaha youtube fucked up the comment. This was supposed to be a reply to when you said "And in your world rapists would be allowed to brutalize children without punishment.".

Then I joked that utu supported Hitler as well because that comment of yours was rather idiotic and over the top. Nobody is saying Child rapist shouldn't be punished but when you're against the death penalty then suddenly you are pro-child rape... Which is rather crazy don't you think?

[SoomPrimal]

Wow you are really misconstruing the debate and issue here. You are continually setting up false dichotomies and appeals to fear. Stop using fallacies to justify your argument and start using facts.

[BorislavX]

Alright, why do you want softer laws against child rapists?

Why do you want to protect those who brutalize children.

Please explain this to me.

Why do you people always take the side of the sicko, criminal, molester, rapist, killer and not the victim?

Misconstrued? I think you're misconstrued.

[SoomPrimal]

Once again, using fallacies to make an argument makes you look like a sensationalist emotionally out of control idiot. Just makes you look like one. For example, you suggest that I want softer laws against child rapists when my argument in this thread has been against the inconsistent application and execution of the death penalty, you look like you're putting words in my mouth.

BorislavX, when did you stop beating your wife?

See? I can do it too.

[BorislavX]

Once again, not specifying what these supposed "fallacies" and "false dichotomies" that I have allegedly set up makes you look like a complete fool.

The facts are. A vicious repeat offender child molester was sentenced to death. The Federal court has overturned the rule of the people.

You are either on the side of state rights and protecting children, or you're on the side of oppressive big government and child rapists.

Period.

[SoomPrimal]

"You're either on the black side or the white side, period"- that's a false dichotomy because you are reducing a complicated matter to two sides, and there is much more to that. That is the fallacy you are putting forward and it is not grounded in reality or law, only emotions.

The courts are in place to ensure that rights are protected, sometimes the will of the people is unconstitutional and is reduced to mob violence. Lock-up repeat offenders forever, children protected.

[Silvsilvchan]

Liberals? The founders said that. If you can't prove some one is guilty with in a shadow of a doubt in our country you don't convict.

However if you do convict you slaughter them. I would rather let nintey nine possibly guilty men go free than prosecute one innocent one, yes.

[BorislavX]

LOL. So it was the founders who said that we should not execute child molesters.....

Thanks for clearing that up, but I think you're referring to the founders of the ACLU, not the founding fathers of the USA.

[Silvsilvchan]

The founders said we would rather let 99 guilty men go free than punish one innocent one.

They probably would have executed child molesters.

Do you even think before you type, retard?

[WJUStudent]

many opponents to the death penalty say it's actually more expensive to execute an inmate than house him for life. Well, how about we change the way we execute inmates, 1 shot between the eyes, that should cost about a dollar depending on the ammo ;)

[SoomPrimal]

Thank you for pointing out the inconsistencies in the application of the death penalty. This is exactly why it must be abolished, as it is impossible to apply.

You also did not address the fact that the majority of child rape occurs from a trusted relative or friend, and not some weirdo stranger. Do children want to turn in their parents if they know they'll be executed? Sorry SA, I disagree on this one. And what's to stop the rapist from murdering his victim if he's gone that far already?

[CapnConfederacy]

Death, castration, nothing is too severe for these monsters. If one of my children is ever raped, rest assured I won't wait around on the government to dole out limp wristed "justice".

[afundie]

Give them life without parole. Their fellow inmates will take good care of them.

[Dwarfskinner]

I usually agree with SA; however I don't think this whole idea of the death penalty for child rapists is a bad idea for this reason: when the case goes to trial the defense would be obliged to destroy the accusers (children) allegations. In my mind that would cause as much harm to the victim as the assault itself. Just lock the pervert up forever and let everyone move on..his death won't ease the pain anymore than his permanent incarceration.

[rustEshakelford]

The same Liberals that don't believe in capital punishment, would be the first to complain when pedophiles move to their neighborhood after their release from prison.

[readthepaper]

That's a complete infringement of states' rights. As far as the morality of executing or not executing child rapists, look on the bright side: when they get sent to prison they certainly receive an eye for an eye when they're the one getting raped, and they deserve to get raped every day of their miserable life until their death.

[RAPSUCKS1738]

If individual states are allowed to legalize gay marriage or legalize execution. Why are they denied making the decision to execute their criminals if they want to?

[803honda]

TO HELL WITH THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT!

[vilaboastream]

Rapists deserve no mercy just as they showed none

[RiverBirch1967]

They certainly SHOULD be castrated.

[Jeff000000000000000]

Makes me wonder, is on of the supreme court judges a child molester. With this ruling along it suggest that the judges who decided against the death sentence should be recalled.

[RAPSUCKS1738]

Supreme court justices are appointed for life or retirement

[shiftstart]

I have to take on the libertarian position. This is exactly the reason why you might want to keep the Federal government in check. For starters, it's not the Supreme Court business to rule who lives and die at the state level matters. Your video makes it very clear that the right hand has no clue what the left hand is doing. Its one thing to plea for the Supreme Court to reverse a decision, it's completely another to legislate what states can and cannot do at state level.

[Xenthoid]

as for the parents, nothing anyone could do would bring back the innocents of their child. Unfortunately killing the man/woman...wouldn't change that fact. but i can completely understand seeking that persons head. If it was my child i would probably think the same way. but i was raised to be objective and fair to people even when they aren't fair or do unjust to others. there is no fairness in subjective reasoning only feel good ideology

[Xenthoid]

as far as this ruling. Actually for once i kind of halfway agree. I believe in eye for and eye..if the scumbag didn't kill the child than he shouldn't be killed by the state (it would be different for the parents of course) Since the rapist took that child's lively hood, then he/she should have theirs taken aswell aka forced castration. As for murderers well God tells us what to do with them.

[frl287]

Executing child rapists? Neat, a society run entirely by children under the age of 18. I can just see it now "Buy me what I want and you'll fucking do what I want, or I will say that you raped me and i'm an innocent child, who would question it!!! You're my bitch, dad."

[Xenthoid]

hmm sounds like some girls i knew in highschool.

[eelzen]

It's amazing the blood lust that's in us human beings. We love to kill each other. And GOD DAMN if we won't KILL anyone who tries to stop us!

While we're at it, let's kill Jesus again if he dares to come back again. We humans know the best way to save ourselves is to kill others.

Right on SA. We live in a world now where cutting someone off in traffic can get you killed. The world is almost safe. PTL and pass me a gun!

[Whoo69]

It's amazing just how soft Western society has gotten, esp. on crime. Criminals deserve no respect. If they're convicted and proven guilty, have at it.

[Whoo69]

In fact, I think it'd be best if after we convicted and get intelligence out of terrorists, we send them to Israel to be dealt with. Wouldn't that be awesome, Jews getting revenge on the jihadists?? Terrorists would feel 10x as shitty with Jews, not regular Westerners, punishing them.

[Whoo69]

And to be completley honest, I've never had many qualms about torturing terrorists in Guantanamo. Yeah, a lot of liberals bitch about it, and the fucking ACLU comes to these cretins' defense, but I say, who cares?? A known terrorist like Osama bin Laden who causes families around the world grief with all these bombings and hijackings doesn't deserve to live normally. We should show them the same disrespect they show civilians.

Make them feel the same pain they give others.

[Whoo69]

Why do so many people have this deluded notion that ALL life is sacred? That's bullshit. All INNOCENT life is sacred, as long as they're actual humans (not inviable fetuses or embryos before the 3rd term) or actual living animals who are hurting no one.

Scumbags who kill for no reason or rape or whatever the case may be have no right to live any longer. They fucked up their chance. I don't see any excuse to keep them alive in some cozy jail cell.

[Whoo69]

A lot of people who are against the death penalty will say "Well, a good alternative would be life in prison." Uh... really? How?? "Well, they'll feel bad and regret killing." Well, sure, but that doesn't do anything to comfort the family of the victim, AND the fucking murderer si still living a cozy life IN PRISON!

While his victim will never be with his family again.

Fuck rehab for violent criminals. Give them full justice and be done with it. They're scum. Why worry about THEM?

[Whoo69]

Plus, how is life in prison really punishment? They're not getting out anyway, so what's the point? Just kill them and be done with it.  I have no qualms about killing people who are worthless scumbag murderers or rapists or terrorists. Why should I? I think I'm entitled to believe I'm actually worth something because I'm contributing to society, while they're fucking everything up, taking innocent lives.

I wish I could see Saddam's hanging on PPV, to be honest. That was a great day.

[Whoo69]

If you take an innocent person's life or do something as horrible as child rape, we have the right to take yours. No ifs, ands or buts about it. I don't give a shit if we're one of only a handful of countries (the others which are led by totalitarian regimes) that uses teh death penalty. So that makes the rest of the world somehow brighter than us on this issue?? No, theyr'e just a bunch of pansies who bought too much into liberal criminology. All this bs about rehab for murderers and shit.

[Whoo69]

My views have shifted quite a bit on most issues over the years, but I've always been for the death penalty. To me, it just makes sense. I'm all for the death penalty for terrorism that takes lives, murder, rape and child rape. I mean, if the gov't won't give the death sentence to rapists, the least they could do is castrate them, ya know? Or force them to take medication that reduces recidivism.

Vigilante justice is a good idea, too. I'm sick of these liberal pussies on crime.

[Whoo69]

I'm a liberal on many issues, but I also differ with the Left on many OTHER issues. It seems like I'm one of the relative few in this country who seems to be able to be nonpartisan, who can be fair-minded and see things from a truly objective perspective.

Typical liberals and conservatives too often only look out for their side, criticizing the other side all the time, while never questioning any crimes or abuses or stupid things their side says or do. And I've always been for death penalty

[wolgreth]

make the punishment fit the crime.

[ncmoonshine]

child rapists should be executed as soon as they are found guilty of their first offence , lets just make that ALL rapists.

[linwooddeaton]

How about castration?

[steve0281]

SA. I am not pro-death penalty. However, if a parent is brought to bear in our courts for killing the rapist that violated his child, if I am on the jury, that person is walking out of the court a free man.

[Xasew]

And I also don't have the same view on justice. Courts are there to keep the society safe. Which means punishments have to be harsh enough to discourage crime and prison sentences keep dangerous people away from other citizens. So if some nutjob rapes a child, but he's mentally stable again after 10+ years of psychic wards, I don't see any reason not to let him return to society(ofc he could still be tracked etc). What a person "deserves" for his actions is quite honestly irrelevant.

[Xasew]

Child rapists probably deserve the death penalty more than spies or drug lords. I don't support the death penalty at all, but I still find the court's decision quite odd.

I'd also like to point out that child rapists can't be put in one "they all did it because they're evil and should be killed"-category. Many have been victims themselves as children and are driven by trauma etc. And no, I'm not defending child rape or the rapists, just reminding to keep some perspective when judging things.

[AnonymousBChurch]

Why is anyone surprised that Bush's Catholic fag Supreme Court nominees are protecting spies and sodomites (and popular in South Carolina fag torture)?

This is what the South Carolinians like.

[almostscottish]

Personally, I feel that, however terrible the crime committed, there is never any justification for one person to take the life of another, except in self defence.

[Ovalshine]

While I can't completely agree with you, I can agree with the contrast you've presented. I don't believe child rape should be addressed with a death sentence (I believe that should be only for murderers), however, it is more worthy of such a sentence than what the judgment listed. As for parents taking matters into their own hands, well, that's one of the many reasons why I like the second amendment.

[playawitdalex]

i wrote a paper in my philosophy of law class against the death penalty, but now considering letting these sexual terrorist live, while torturing and murdering possible terrorist seems like the most backwards and hippocritical policy we as a "republic" have ever put into legislation. kill child molester not other country's children.

[playawitdalex]

you are always fair on these controversial topics, politicians in Washington "justices" making laws must consider the fact a parent will do the job if the state wont, i am not sure if i am pro death penalty in till i think of the idea of a child being raped... then it seems like a very valid solution to a real "crime against humanity"

[wilfredsnipple]

Crimes against children are crimes of the worst kind especially those of a sexual nature. Children are more innocent than adults by virtue and generally defenseless. I cannot believe the legal system can charge minors as adults. These people in charge are almost as bad as the child rapists themselves. Child rapist not only deserve death but the worst kind of death. This points to a fundamental moral breakdown in our society.

[eljefereal]

You are exactly right except for one statement.

"I cannot believe the legal system can charge minors as adults."

The crime should be the sole determinant of the punishment, not the income level, race, sexual orientation, GPA, or even age of the offender. We are punishing the offender for the offense, that is all. Any mitigation that involves a personal characteristic the person has no control over (height, race, age, birthplace, what have you) should never be applicable.