i am an ismaili..ma aplogon ko clear karna chahta hoon ki hum IMAM ALI (a.s) ko apna pehla IMAM mante hai.hum ALI (a.s) ko Allah nai mante..ye just hamare khilaf jhoti aur gumrahkun bat hai..aur koi bi dawe k sath nahi keh sakta hai ki hum shirk karte hai..saboot koi nai hota ..just bate karte hai log..jo bi aisa karta hai wo FITNA hai..ALLAH use gaarat kare
I'm an Ismaili and I believe at no cost that Mawlana Ali is Allah. This old man is out of his mind and assuming any bull shit! We don't take Mawlana Ali for Allah..is what I know.
this oldie needs to go to the roots of Ismailism before opening his senseless mouth!
@ThePrincess4eva123 Aga Khan is now amongst the richest Royals (according to Forbes) on the planet. I personally see nothing royal or pious about him, the title itself was given by the Shah (long gone), what makes him rich is the contributions of his very poor followers (accumulated by his fathers) ... I feel ashamed of such things as I myself descend from Ali and ancestors who ruled with the same belief as Imams and guides centuries ago ...
In the name of Allah,the beneficent, the merciful. Praise be to the Lord of the Universe who has created us and made us into tribes and nations, That we may know each other, not that we may despise each other. If the enemy incline towards peace, do thou also incline towards peace, and trust God. Ameen.
Do u muslims even know that Prophet Ibrahim when He try scrafice is son Ismail to ALLAH on then time ALLAH say his life and that time ALLAH said "YOU OBEY MY COMMAND I M VERY HAPPY WITH THAT I WILL BLESS THAT YOU GENRATION (AAL) WILL BE THE STAY LIVE AND WHO WILL NOT FOLLOW YOU PATH OR WHO WILL TRY TO STOP I WILL PROTECT U FROM THEM" so till me know who prophet (s.a.s),who is ALI and who is ur 12 Imam and who is our AGA KHAN.Stop give wrong massage to people ur not even a sand of AGA KHAN's shoe
Dardi rakh kar patloon ouper khainch lainay say koi AALIM nahi ban jata. Kaam karna pardta hay oun logo k liye jo is duniya ka hisa hain. AKDN ka maqsad achi taleem daina, achi sehat aur aik bahter zindagi farham karna. Al Azhar university, Aligard Muslim uni aur Aga Khan uni bi IMAM he ki dain hain. All India Muslim League k 1st President aur founder member Sir Aga Khan 3rd he tha even agar kisi nay history pardhi ho to Jinnah bi Ismaili thay. Isay kehtay hain IMAM & Ismaili.
@venkyhyundai Well my fellow brother in Islam, if this is what you believe then I will let you too your beliefs. I have answered all your questions. I enjoyed this discussion. As-salamu Alaykum.
u claims to hv an "imaam" who guides u but cannot ans questions?
Where is the guidance that you claim to get?
y do u want to go to personal messages & not ans here?
All I can say is that when u do bad or support bad...someday that same thing will come & bite u. but if u repent before that, Allah is Most Merciful Oft-Forviging.
You have supported aga khan's alcohol selling....I hope you repent in front of Allah before your own opinion gets to u.
@venkyhyundai I have answered all your questions atleast twice? All Ismaili's do get guidance. The guidance I claim to get is very apparent in the fact that I discuss history and actual theology, and you have only talked about "if this" and "if that". You have only given these "if" scenarios that are irrelvant to the beginning discussion. If you want to see who really does bad and supports bad then look very carefully at Islamic History and the answer will be clear.
@venkyhyundai "Allahuma salli ala Muhammadin wa aale Muhammad" (O Allah! Bestow Peace on Muhammad and his Descendants) When ever u recite salawat on the name of Hazrat Muhammad (PBUH) u r resiting the same for his descendants, Shah Karim Al Hussaini Aga Khan (SUA) is the direct descendant of Prophet Muhammad (PBUH). On one hand u r reciting SALAWAT on Hazrat Muhammad (PBUH) and his Descendent Shah Karim Al Hussaini Aga Khan (SUA) and on the other hand u r saying all these rubbish things.
Ismaili Muslims are r regular in their Prayers; if anyone is not regular it’s his individual act.
Secondly The Holy Quran clearly specifies two types of rights Haqooq Allah, which means the rights of Allah Almighty on His human creation, and Haqooq ul Ibad i.e. the right of people on the people, So the Salat (NAMAZ) is one of the rights of Allah Almighty on the humankind, only Allah can ask about prayers. Who are you to ask them for their prayers?
Again who are you to ask that IMAM (AS) is guiding according to the Holly Quran or not, Let this matter to ALLAH he will judge on the Day of Judgment, if you think your judgment is better than ALLAH then make your statements again and again.
@Khakeekarim who are you to question me if my questioning of aga khan is correct? Allah will judge on the day of judgement if I was like a dumb animal filled with superstition or if I based my faith on knowledge and reasoning.
IN THE NAME OF ALLAH, THE MOST MERCIFUL, look with compassion on the whole human family; take away the divisions and hatreds which have badly infected our hearts; break down the walls that separate us; reunite us in bonds of love; and work through our struggle and confusion to accomplish Your purposes on earth; that, in Your good time, all nations and races may jointly serve You in peace and harmony. (Amen)
Ok my brother in Islam, ALLAH has created HALAL & HARAM both things in the world, like goat is HALAL but pig is HARAM, it’s our responsibility to choose HALAL, Mashallah all the Muslims are using HALAL.
The guests staying in the 5 star hotels are of different faith such as Muslims, Christians, Hindus etc.
The Christians and Hindus use alcohol it’s on us Muslims not to choose HARAM for over self.
Astagfirullah, your statements regarding drugs etc. are false according to Islam it’s called Tohmat and Gheebat which is HARAM in Islam.
The Holy Qur'an says, "Surely (as for) those who love that scandal should circulate about the believers, they shall have a grievous chastisement in this world and the hereafter; and Allah knows, while you do not know." (24:19) Perhaps our fellow Muslims are simply unaware of the promised punishment for defaming and backbiting others.
Holy Prophet (s.a.w.) Says : One who lays (put) a false accusation on believing man or a women which they are not doing, then Allah will keep him on the mountain of fire on the day of judgment till he gets punishment for his accusation.
In Qur'an Surah 49 Ayat 12, Allah tells us: "....And do not spy nor let some of you backbite others. Does one of you like to eat the dead flesh of his brother?"
@Khakeekarim I am not laying false accusation on aga khan. He really sells alcohol. Search on youtube "aga khan sells alcohol" . the description below the video has a list of all his bars. This is not backbiting or rumor mongering.... this is testifying. I am testifying to people that aga khan is a fraud.
@venkyhyundai I should not talk to some one who has no respect to AAL-E- RASOOL
according to the Holy Prophet of Islam, "The one who listens to Gheebat is one of those who do Gheebat." so im leaving this page and topic, "Hold fast to the Rope of Allah, all of you together and do not separate" (Quran 3:103)"
Who told you aga khan is ahle rasool? and even if he is....does that give him the right to sin & make others sin?
This verse calls alcohol a vice...does not say dont drink but not to support!
[Quran 5:91] Satan's plan is (but) to excite enmity and hatred between you, with intoxicants and gambling, and hinder you from the remembrance of Allah, and from prayer: will ye not then abstain?
YE BEGERAT PAKISTANIUN KO PATA NAI KI AGA KHAN KON HY... AGER WO NA HOTA TO AJ PAKISTAN NA HOTA... JALI DAWEDAAR JALI LEADERS OR JAHLIOON KA TOLLA HY....
JB B IN LOGUN KA PATH JAYE TO SIRF AGA KHAN KO BULA LETAY HAN OR JAB IN KA PAT BAR JAYE TO GUSTAKHI BANTY HA
IN SE YE PUCHOO KI K IMF OR W.B KA LOAN KA GRANTER KON HY.. AGER AGA KHAN CHAHY TO PURA PAKISTAN LE SAKTA GAY US GRANTEE K BADLAY....
@venkyhyundai I answered this question. If somebody needs money it's not a bad job to work in the Serena Hotels. Like I said the Qu'ran simply forbids the consumption and nothing else. I do not know why you are giving me a pointless scenario.
I am not talking abt working in serena hotels. I am talking abt serving alcohol in the bars in serena hotels. I am talking abt pouring vodka,wine, beer etc for the drunkards who come to drink .........
u seem to b hesitant to say yes & the reason for this is that alcohol is a vice and so is gambling. quran calls both alcohol and gambling as "satans handiwork" in surah 5 v 90.
We all know the ills of these but people like aga khan sell thier souls & misguide others.
Where in this lip it say that " Aga Khan own Bars" Please First see this clip and then pass your comments. You still haven't seen this Clip. First see this clip and then comment.
@venkyhyundai There are no Aga Khan bars. The Aga Khan owns the Serena Hotels. Stop making things up. The Aga Khan is compliant with the Qu'ran. The Qu'ran says that only Allah and those "grounded in knowledge" can know the true interpretation of the Qu'ran I answered that question in a previous post. I am not here to pass judgement on a bunch of random and illogical scenarios you create. Afghanistan is owned by a Sunni Government so ask yourself or another Sunni this question.
@venkyhyundai The tariqah board doesnt create "laws" for the Ismailis. Ismailis can do whatever they want same as Sunnis. I know many Sunnis that do unethical business practices as well as some Ismailis that also do these things. I should not be able to guide. That is the Imams role. I do not know the true interpreation of the Qu'ran, only the Imam of the Time knows this. Like I said before you are going off topic, a Strip club has nothing to do with alcohol in the Serena Hotels.
@venkyhyundai A Strip club like a said before is illegalized in all the religions of the book. This is not allowed. If anybody has used anything close to a strip club it is in fact the Sunnis. Look at the Abbasid,Ummayyad, and Ottoman Caliphs(Sunni Empires). They all had a significant number of children,wives, and prostitutes(10+ each). The Fatimid(Ismaili Empire) Caliphs never had this. At most they had two wives mainly for political reasons. The Sunni Caliphs were just weak men and perverted.
Whenever I am talking about aga khan & ismaili theology, you keep on pointing fingers at some other sect of islam. By pointing out sins of others you really think you can justify your own?
Ok, since you can't ans strip clubs , lets talk about the bars in serena hotels.
Would you let your sister or wife or your children work in these bars? they would only serve but not drink. they would serve only to non-muslims.
@venkyhyundai You have not discussed Ismaili theology at all. I point at other sects because it is them that have committed the sins you are discussing not Ismailis. I answered your strip club answer perfectly. The Aga khan hasn't done any sins. I don't see what's wrong with working in bar. The Qu'ran only forbids the consumption. People are just trying to make money and live. Nothing unethical about that. I told you I am done discussing your irrelevant and foolish scenarios.
@venkyhyundai Who allows it? The SUNNI Pakistan government. Plus once again it is only sold to non-Muslims. Alcohol is allowed in the Christian religion.
If you go to the main website for Serena Kabul hotel It states on the very bottom of the page.
"Alcohol
The consumption of alcohol in Afghanistan is widely prohibited and is not permitted in the Kabul Serena Hotel."
@venkyhyundai Actually if you go to the Pakistan Serena ACTUAL website not these nonsense videos you will see Alcohol is only sold to NON-Muslims. In the Christian culture alcohol is allowed. This is just an example of tolerance and respect for another culture.Sunnis have done nothing for Muslims. The Aga Khan is the only one who is helping all Muslims around the world. You believe in Islam but you do not practice it. The Aga Khan puts Islam into practice, because he helps all Muslims.
so by your logic, he can open a brothel becoz other cultures allow it. As long as muslims don't bang a hooker there? The quran calls intoxicants "satans handiwork" .
The aga khan is not serving muslims, rather snitching them out. He does not serve muslims, rather his masters who pay him.
Show me one practice that muslims follow & so do ismailis!!
@venkyhyundai A brothel is against all religions of the book. It is also against the law in almost all countries and considered uncivilized. So, your brothel analogy is baseless and irrelvant. How is the Aga Khan "snitching" out Muslims? Please explain this. Who are these "supposed" masters that are paying him? Like us, the only master of the Imam is Allah. Ismailis do hajj, daily prayers, Ramadan, say shahada, and do zakat.
Ok, you don't like brothels...how about a strip clubs. Legal in more countries , considered "civilized" by many cultures as compared to brothels too.
while you answer this one, I am listing pending questions below so that we don't loose track and we will come back to them after we finish discussing the above point.
PENDING
1) Who are the masters of the aga khan
2) Ismailis do hajj, daily prayers , ramadan fast , say shahada & do zakat.
@venkyhyundai Strip clubs are not considered legal in religions of the book. Strip clubs have nothing to do with alcohol in HOTELS. The alcohol sold in these hotels is Wine as well which only NON muslims can purchase. You are continuously going off on a tangent to defend a point that is false. You fail yet again by making another irrelvant analogy.
@venkyhyundai I do not know how they do it but it STATES in the Serena hotel rules that it is their policy to sell to only NON Muslims. Alcohol is permitted in the bible. "Go, eat your bread with joy, and drink your wine with a merry heart, for God has already approved what you do." [Ecclesiastes 9:7]. Key word is APPROVED. Your quotes simply say that the Bible is saying to avoid drunkness. Thats why it says, "Wine is a MOCKER". But "strong drink is raging". 2nd one says "be not drunk"
Speech is one of the five human senses. Attributing a human sense to Allah is SHIRK. This is why Anglel Gabriel was the medium between Muhammad and Allah because Muhammad, a human with only 5 senses, would not be able to understand Allah. By believeing the Qu'ran is comprised of the direct words of Allah you attribute one of the five Human senses to him. This is wrong. This is why the Literal Sunni interpretation is completely wrong. The Qu'ran was meant to be interpreted according to the time.
@venkyhyundai I didn't jump. I posted that 4 days ago. Yes it is. Go to alcohol section on very bottom. Says only non-muslisms are permitted. Just google it. The Aga Khan only developed the island of Sardinia resort with a group of investors. He DOES NOT OWN the casino or any others. He's involved only in the yacht club and marina there.
@venkyhyundai The hotels always work in compliance with whatever Muslims country they are in. If the Muslim countires allow alcohol then it seems you should be attacking the government not just a small hotel in the country. If the country does not permit it then neither does the hotel. I am constantly repeating myself about the Serena Hotels. What here is so hard that you cannot comprehend? My arguement is cogent. If you attribute a human sense to Allah that is SHIRK.
LOL....so aga khans bars are in compliance with countries, but being the descendant of the prophet, shouldn't he worry about them being compliant with the quran?
Now for example, US invaded afghanistan, when afghanistan is under US occupation even a strip club would be compliant. SO coming back to my question why do you say "NO" to a strip club while "YES" to a bar ??
If this strip club also will have the same no muslim policy, then is it according to ismaili doctorine??
1) Qu'ran only forbids intoxication of any sort. Serena Hotels in Muslim countries are actually not allowed to sell alochol. The money made by these hotels go to the Aga Khan development network which is currently helping people in third world countries, as well as Muslim countries, become bettter educated and have a better quality of life. What have the Sunnis done for Islam? The is nothing unislamic about having a hobby for horses and taking interest.
@mercede75 you better search history for ur self, we know what is right and what is wrong. this person whom you are calling a 'molvi' keeps more knowledge than you on religion. and for a record i also believes on the hadith he quoted in the session. dear, have some research on the words he said that Muhammad PBUH said that Ali has the same relation with me which the Haroon AS had with Moosa AS, but just the difference was he was a nabi and ALI was not. i'm a sunny but beleiver of Ali's walayat.
He also said "If there were a prophet after me, it would have been Omer" Now what do you say to that?
Definitely this Molvi knows Islam more, and that's the problem. The understanding of Islam is left to these Molvis & they interpret Islam as they wish. No one questions their authority.
They know even for the tiniest thing, People will come to them.
we can have the same knowledge if we do not limit ourselves to the Friday's Sermons only!
@mercede75 and for a record,Ahmed Raza Barailivi did not expose a new faith or sect nor he was supported by Britishers. the British supported people like Ahmedi who the God later cursed while the name of Barailvi is still alive. he was just an Islami scholar with good knowledge of religion. the name Barailivi emerged because he belonged to a small town in India named Breli, just like Ali Hajvery belonged to a town in Afghanistan named Hajver so, he later known as Hajvery. Barailvis are sunni.
This NON-ISMAILI video very clearly says that Prophet Muhammad (AS) wanted the people to Believe in Imam Ali(AS) as Mawla after him.
And he Ismailis say " La illah Ha illalah , Mohaammad dur Rasul illah, Aliun Ameerul Momanin Ali UL lah. 'UL LAH' means FROM GOD . So at the end it means Ameerul Momanin Ali IS FROM GOD. Which makes perfect sense from this video that even the Prophet Muhammad (AS) gave so much importance to Imam Ali (AS) that he called him Maula too.
Why you people love to accuse others? Even if it is true why don't just educate people without accusing people? I am a sunnah anyway, my methodology is Hanbaliah. I am not a wahhabi, I don't know what is wahhabi. anything wrong, go back to Quran and Sunnah!
Prophet said "Ali will be wali after me" Man kumtum mola hun fahaza hn ali hun mola..allah huma aliman ala hun wa abidan ada hum" ali is from me and i am from ali"me and ali is from same noor"Only those are momin who respect ali and only those are muafiq who disrespect ali"didar ali is just like pray for you if you cant see ali then ziker ali is pray or ibadatun" ali is haq and right is with ali" or ktne hdis bta don bor
and after farimid imam AS the his of islam was agian destroyed... this is truth ... then after the imams are living normal and normal and advising with a very minor community i.e. ismalizum.. and today the living imam and direct blood of Muhammad SAWW and Ali AS is HH Shah Karim Al Hussani 49th Imam.. we were killed by jews 1st i.e. Changez and Halaku khan and after we were killed by our own muslim bros... this is ismalizam.. plz listen the all world... we are shaeeeddd day by day
y u r engry about ali.. Ali is the imam for Abu Bakar Umer Usman and all 124000 ashab of nabi pak.. when prophet PBUH announced in gadeer e khum Man Kum Tm Mola Hum Fahaza Ali hn Mola" then the 1st beliver of Ali's Imamat or molayet is Omer ibne Khatab..
Hazrat Ali is the imam for All Ashab e Karam and All ashab e karam are praying behind Ali... even all three khalifs... If this is wronng thn i challanged u.. ali was imam for all.. am not shia am true muslim.. challanged u..
I respect hazrat ali(as), but what does aga khan have to do with islam?? there are atleast 3 people who claim to be descendant of the prophet(pbuh) thru ali(a.s.). The sayyedna of bohras, ahmad qadiani of ahmadiyya & aga khan of ismaili....which one is true?? We can only judge people based on the quran. The aga khan sells alcohol, he runs horses so that people gamble on them he takes interest in his banks, he charges money for prayers or majalis (naomi,noorani,life etc)
ahmedia or qadiyanis has no history they were just made new madhab when british was in sub continent..
2nd sayyedna bohras are also not a pure history
3rd are agakhanis who has the pure history just see the fatimid khalafat,... and he the agakhan is the fatimied herediarty imam of the time..all the muslim govt. including fatimid and abbasid were down by the saljookies or mengools and then after the fatimid imams r living minorities.....
lol....u say ismailis don't have "pure" history but bohras & qadianis say the same thing. They also say ismailis are from british. Even the word "aga khan" was given by queen elizabeth to this guy.
You forgot to tell me y aga khan sells alcohol in his hotels(serena hotels) ??
@venkyhyundai When you talk about the Aga Khan we are only talking about the Nizari Ismailis, not bohras. Aga Khan was a title given by the Shah of Iran not Britain. The Qu'ran forbids intoxication of any sort. In Muslim countries the selling of Alcohol is forbidden in the Serena hotels. The money all goes to Aga Khan Development network which is currently helping third world countries all around the world. Aga Khan is doing true Islamic Work, he is trying unite the Islamic world, not divide it.
@triplehelix989 u people think you can fool us by your baseless comment's and baseless religion of your's , you are too transparent and supported greatly by foreign policies along with finance.
You people tampered our religion Islam shame on you all whoever follows this path of your's.
Islam is a true religion no matter how much the kafir's make it hard for us, but the bitter truth is in the end everyone whoever is left have to submit themselves
@Sheraz4reaL My comments are not baseless. They are supported by the Qu'ran, a religious text that the Sunnis have failed to understand for 1400 years. I am a Muslim and you are calling my religion baseless? You just called your own religion baseless? How have Ismaili's tampered the religion? We are making the world a much better place through the Aga Khan development network by helping all MUSLIMS all around the world. Sunnis have done nothing for their fellow brothers in Islam. You are kafir.
@venkyhyundai you mind your own business.. if you dont believe in one's beliefs you should respect them. is this what your faith teaches you? if does than i feel really sorry for you.
@venkyhyundai You know the definition of a true muslim? How do you know who is a better muslim? Only Allah knows who and what a good muslim is. Our faith is strong and we have nothing to Question. Your faith is weak tand this is why you go around to these videos that attack Ismailis to feel some sort of assurance that you are on the right path. You look at Youtube videos for assurance, we look at Allah and the true leader of Islam for guidance.
@venkyhyundai i dont if he is selling alcohol at his hotels or not. but if he is than you should know his hotels are 5 star hotels, and more foreigners than locals come there. Its upon the person weather drink or not. It shouldn't bother you. Its none of your business. People who have to believe him will believe him, nobody's gonna see your comments and change their faith :P why are you wasting your energy? lol
@venkyhyundai i saw you above mentioning he charges for prayers and majlis? You have a great misconception. If you dont know about something and are not sure you should publicly accuse someone like that. If you are sucha a great muslin you shouldn't even be saying all this about someone's faith. Fix yourself first!
@venkyhyundai Nooo, who ever said that to you is simply arrogant. Stop assuming things and disrespected someone like that please! Dont be stupid is there even any religion in the world who charges membership fees for their faith :/ you are seriously misguided brother.
@venkyhyundai Ismailism is the most peaceful sect in islam. There are always fights and problems between other sects because their people tell them how bad other faiths are but not emphasis on how to make a better and peaceful living for themselves. Our community is successfull everywhere mashallah.
@venkyhyundai i seriously do not know about that, but as i already if it is its only served for non muslims i am sure. What is your problem? stop commenting. you should mind your own business. If alchohoal was so open for us we'd all be drinking it by now. Alcohol is as much haram for us as much as for other muslims. trust me.
@venkyhyundai the Aga khan is proven descendant of of prophet Muhammad. This a FACT proven in British Court in the 19th century. You cannot judge people. Passing judgement on people is haram in all traditions of the faith.
@venkyhyundai He follows the Laws of all the Muslim countries. If it is outlawed by the country they do not sell alcohol. In many of the hotels alcohol is only allowed to be sold to non-muslims. Since only CONSUMING intoxicants is forbidden in the Qu'ran(fact stated in your video) whats the harm of selling alcohol to a RELIGION such as Christianity that allows it? There is no harm done. Your facts are baseless.
@hotchocolate4u dont get sunnis confused with wahabis. they are the true culprits of tarnishing islam's image. but at the same time what this guy saying in the video is wrong. follow the quran and sunnah, that is all.
Shia Imami Ismailies are the true muslims and true track (sirat e Maustaqeem) of Allah (almighty) and the Prophet Muhammad PBUH and Holly Quran and they always affliated with the decendent (Ahle Bait) of Prophet Muhammad PBUH i.e. Mola Ali (AS) to HH Price Karim Aga Khan...
I found this where Quran e Pak says that Allah (at the judgement day) will call all muslims with Quran and Ahle Baith... It means Quran and Ahle Baith are living Hazir.. every muslim has quran but no Ahle Bait..
Please do not upload such videos.. as you know there are 80% are munafiqeen living in the name of Islam.. Allah has already declared them hell... I do not bear their harsh wards towords Mola e Kayanaat.. AS...
The Hadith he is quoting is not correct. He is missquoting the hadith to prove his point of view. Muhammad never said that Ali is Maula or anything like that. He wanted us to pray to God. that's it. Not pray through Ali or any other person. Why these fake people twist the hadiths?
Stop it yar plz stop it... Jo Ali ko mola nai manta wo Munafiq hy... Ye jo hadith 80000 se b ziada Ashab RA se riwayat hy... apna shumar munafiqoon me mat kr... Ali k mola bane k bad Deen e Islam ka name Allah ne announce kia Apni Akhri Ayaat me... Islam Ali k bagyer Fish Out of Water hy.... Ali Haq hy or Haq Ali k sath hy... Ali noore Allah hy or Allah ka noor Ali hy..... Ali ki Sifaat Allah hoo Akber hy or Allah Hoo Akber ka Name Ali hy... GOT IT
@mercede75 Gabriel chose Muhammad because he was a PROPHET not an Imam like Ali. Ali was meant to lead the faith after Muhammads death. Muhammad died first so he entered heaven first obviously. Ali's noor is alive in the the Aga Khan and he has not cursed his followers. Surah Maida says that, " If thou hast not done so, then thou has not delivered his message, Allah will protect thee from the people" Surah Maida was chronologically one of the last Surahs. So tell me what was this message?I know.
"Surely we have sent to every nation a messenger saying, worship Allaah and avoid Taaghoot (false gods)"
God does not need partners to do his bidding on earth, like you believe. Nowhere in the Qur'an does it mention 12 imams, or Ali ibn Abi Talib (R.A.) as a successor. "Every innovation is a misguidance and every misguidance goes to Hell fire."
aye chotya molwe agar tere ko itna tallf deya hai ismaili ne en ka pecha chor aur Ahle Sunnat mazhab ke imam shafi ke peche bhonk kio ke Imam shafi ka kehna hai, Shaafi tu marega leken ye os ko malom nahe ke os ka khuda Allah Hai Ya ALI!!! aya samjh mai
hum ko is Jahel Sahab se ayk sawal hai? Rasul ke time pe tu musalman Rasul ke Mubarak hath pe Baiat Karte te aur eman laate tu muslman kehlate leken Ismaili log aga khan sahab pe Baiat karte hai unhe Nabi ke Ahle Baiat mankar ab ye sahab jo Shirk ka faisla karte hai Zara poche ke yd sahab kis ke hath pe Baiat kar ke Muslman bane hai kote ke tara khali pele mai bhok na janta hai bas
arai ye molwe chotya hai zara socho Samajdar log ho tum agar ye ismaili log Nauz Billah Hazrat Ali ko Allah mante tu ismaili log ka tu pehle khuda kofe ke masjid mai shahed hogaye aur keya bolega ye chotya molwi aur kuch mila nahe peche para ismaili ke
its better to discuse on this clip rather then arguing
if u people want then we can discuse that what is Imam for ismailies and what is Ali for Ismailies and are Ismailies right or wrong but i just want discussion not the fight or argue and i prove my part of point as Muslim. thakyou if u are interested so please tell me so we shall discuse it
its better to discuse on this clip rather then arguing
if u people want then we can discuse that what is Imam for ismailies and what is Ali for Ismailies and are Ismailies right or wrong but i just want discussion not the fight or argue and i prove my part of point as Muslim. thakyou if u are interested so please tell me so we shall discuse it
Mr Momin, First see this clip then post your comment again, By your comments I can easily guess, You have not seen this clip, you just posted your comments by only looking at the title!
this chootiyan mulllah will teach koran lol soundss funny , chootiye daadi muchi rakhne se muslim nahi banjaate lode first go to school and learn abcd
Moula Ali is our beloved "Imam" not Allah, Allah is one and Mohammed is the last Messenger of Allah. if you think Ali is our Allah then listen " i don,t have problem with that too" Mohammed and Ali are like the face of Allah for me.
where does the quran tell you that you must be able to see, feel, and/or touch your maula? it doesn't say that he should be gayab, but does it say that he must be in a mortal form? just want to see some quotes, not challenging you
First listen to this Gentle men, He is giving the ref of SUNNI books not SHIA, secondly you peoples are Disgrace to Islam, not ISAMILI, you people Never know how to live peacefully with fellow human being. The basic meaning of ISLAM is peace, did you know that?
SUNI IS THE WAY AND THAT"S IT, NOT SHIA AND DEFINETLY NOT ISMIAILI, ISMAILI IS NOTHING BUT A DISCRACE TO MUSLIMS, YOU PEOPLE DONT EVEN FACE THE KABBA WHEN YOU PRAY AND YOU DONT EVEN PRAY FOR GOD SAKES.
@pimparuchi First: those suni who are not beliving on the IMAMMAT they are not called muslims as per the Shrah,.... The Basic Tools for Sharah are: 1) Toheed (yani Allah ki Wahdaniyat) 2) Risalat 3) Nabuwat 4) Farishtoon Per Iman 5) Quran per Iman 6) Imammat per Iman 7) Akhrat per Iman 2nd: other spritual stage after shriat is Tariqa the religious Interpertiations are the key respnsibilty of IMAM of the TIMES (HAZIR IMAM) Ismilies are beliving on Tariqa after completion of shryat.
@geyaimamat U DID NOT HAVE TO MENTION THESE THINGS BRO. IT"S SIMPLE ISMAILI IS A DISCRACE AND THAT"S IT, SHEA IS WRONG. SUNNI IS THE WAY AND THE ONLY WAY, PROPHET MUHAMAD SAW IS THE PROPHET, NOT ali AND NOT THAT CROOK aga khan.
Who said that Ali (AS) is prophet!!!!!!!!!!!! NO Last propher is Muhammad (SAWW) Ali was first imam... and being a muslim u must beilive on imamat... after rislat or nabuwat or phrophet.... I think u discharge urself from getting knowledge about islam.. study study study and then tell something... one who are not getting respect of Ahle Bait they are called.... Khariji... As the kharijis were declared as non muslims they are terrists...
@geyaimamat Brother aslamu aleikum first of all. Hadith in Bukhari states that In judgement day Muhamad saw will intervene for his companions and will ask Allah SWA to let a group of people in jannah without judgement. Allah swa will say: But you dont know what they did after you were gone, they inovated and sined. That inoviation is Shia from which Ismailism was inovated. U tell me what that is then since you say that I am forbiding my self from ataining knowledge of islam. SUNNI IS THE WAY.
I100% belive on that Hadith that Muhammad SAWW will intervene for his companions... Prophet Muhammad SAWW given us islam and he selected Mollah Ali (AS) first imam.. I've alrady told u what an Imam's Responsibility.... u must belive on this hadith that prophet SAWW said that After my time "I will leaved two things for you One is Quran and other is my Ahle Baitt,,, If you'l strictly get these two things then u never be lost and these two are superior than each other" Just think..
@geyaimamat Brother, you must get this through your head, SHIA should not exist, Ismailis expecialy. SUNNI IS THE WAY AND THE ONLY WAY, THE ONLY WAY. END OF STORY.
@aminmu65 U have no knowledge about these things so I suggest you stay out of it, you make no sense, my guess is you are not even muslim. ISLAM IS THE RELIGION AND THE TRUTH SINCE THE DESCEND OF ADAM. EVERY OTHER FORM OF BELIEF THAT IS CALLED RELIGION IS MADE BY MAN. ISLAM IS THE TRUTH AND THE ONLY TRUTH AND IS OUR GUIDELINE IN THIS LIFE. THAT'S IT.
Dear first listen... We ismilies are not accepting the Ahle-Tashies... they are broke form Imam Jafer,,, and then they belive that tehir imam is "gyab" but the context of Quran that Imam alwasys in this world.. Sura Yasin "Ina Shaen Asyena Hufi Imamen Mubeen" Mubeen means hazir... you can see...
don't mind sunis are very faraway frm islam... they just made their imam by their own not by Propher SAW.. even there is no link b/w prophet SAWW and suni's imams...
Dear Geyaimamt! we don't believe that imam is "Gyab", in fact if you know the qualities of Imam than you must know that he exist everywhere by the permission of God. and we never Broke with you (you have your way to go) but we are on the way which is guided by the Prophet (S.A.W.W), in one Hadid he told that "Awalna Muhammad, Ausatna Muhammad, Akhirona Muhammad" Trans! we are all Muhammad, so wht do you think, could your present Imam can be eligible for this post? "Never" anyways.
Fist of all i would like to suggest you to read the Imam Jafer (AS) books... and our every Ahle Tashi muslims are accepted that the after imam Jafer (AS) the Imam ismaeel (AS) was the selected as Imam of that time.. as per the Ahle Tashi school of though after selection of imam ismaeel (AS) the imamat was given to Musa Qazim (2nd Son of Imam JAFER(AS)) because imam ismaeel miss used the iamat..
Moreover as we all know that all Imam are equal in account of follow the orders and respect, so (don't mind, and it is not possible) compare your today's Imam by Hazrat Ali A.S., Imam Hasan A.S., Imam Hussain A.S. till Imam Jaffar A.S., what will you find.???????????
Apart from Discussion, i was here to see your prayer, if you are really follower of Hazrat Ali A.S., then please guide me to see your prayer!!1
and please don't mind anything, again saying you have your way to go!!!!!
Dear, Ya Ali Madad, first of all in my first comment i told you that you have your own way to go but i request you to please don't give space to laugh anyone!!!
this is the main mistake, No one can select Imam, Imams are selected by God and there are many Hadid to prove this, now if you will say that an Imam must be selected by previous one then how you will say that he is Masoom, when he doesn't know that he will be Imam or not????
or he will become Masoom by selecting Imam.....???
No this is not like this, Imams are selected by God and they are by birth Masoom (Innocent), now when this should be cleared that Imam are selected by God how anyone can say that Imam Jaffar Sadiq A.S. selected Ismail as Imam, NO, NEVER, if you think that this has happened than no one can ask any Sunni to select Imam Abu Hanfia, Imam Malik, Imam Shafai, Imam Hanbal, because you are saying that Imam can be selected by Imam (or any Human) No. and it will be surprising!!!
first you shall listen from your key ALIM UD DINS.... they will must comit that the imam ismaeel AS was selected by imam jaffer... for your kind information an Imam is selected by the previous imam in the form of NUS by any of his son and he must be masoom by brith.... Shia islamic thought imam is BOLTA HUWA QURAN... imam is the noor of ALLAh and therefore imam is selcted by previous imam....not by ALLAH or GOD... must listen from your leaders...
Just another extremist.
Even if 99% of Muslims are extremist (and they're most definitely not), Islam itself is NOT this amount of ignorant extreme.
Islam is Islam, Muslims are not the embodiment of Islam.
That is the goal, not the actual truth-- for a Muslim to be the embodiment.
But non-muslims need to remember that One or many muslims are NOT Islam itself.
No matter how many bad muslims there are, Islam will never be evil.
They are just bad people who believe they are muslim.
Lu51pH3r 1 week ago
Very nice talk. Allah o akber ya ali madad
jimmy786UK 2 weeks ago
Ya Ali Madad.
Aap keee coment pad kar aur aap kaa Jawab Seekh kar bohot khusee Hueeee. Aap neee kafi Thandee Deemag see Jawab Diya Haiiii.Laikent Aap Eeek Bar Yeee Upar Wali Clip Deekh leeen. Please
meritocracym 3 weeks ago
i am an ismaili..ma aplogon ko clear karna chahta hoon ki hum IMAM ALI (a.s) ko apna pehla IMAM mante hai.hum ALI (a.s) ko Allah nai mante..ye just hamare khilaf jhoti aur gumrahkun bat hai..aur koi bi dawe k sath nahi keh sakta hai ki hum shirk karte hai..saboot koi nai hota ..just bate karte hai log..jo bi aisa karta hai wo FITNA hai..ALLAH use gaarat kare
RajaFakharalam 3 weeks ago
Here Moula means Teacher isn't it?
007securityguard 3 weeks ago
Mashallah Allahuma Zid fazid.
naatnegaar 3 weeks ago
Dr. Tahir Qdri is a best scholar of Muslims around the world.
nadiajhon 1 month ago
teri kitab ko aag lage..........@
AAZ674 1 month ago
bahut jald ye padri nabuwat ka dawa karey ga..........@
AAZ674 1 month ago
I'm an Ismaili and I believe at no cost that Mawlana Ali is Allah. This old man is out of his mind and assuming any bull shit! We don't take Mawlana Ali for Allah..is what I know.
this oldie needs to go to the roots of Ismailism before opening his senseless mouth!
ThePrincess4eva123 1 month ago 7
@ThePrincess4eva123 Aga Khan is now amongst the richest Royals (according to Forbes) on the planet. I personally see nothing royal or pious about him, the title itself was given by the Shah (long gone), what makes him rich is the contributions of his very poor followers (accumulated by his fathers) ... I feel ashamed of such things as I myself descend from Ali and ancestors who ruled with the same belief as Imams and guides centuries ago ...
illumoari 1 week ago
In the name of Allah,the beneficent, the merciful. Praise be to the Lord of the Universe who has created us and made us into tribes and nations, That we may know each other, not that we may despise each other. If the enemy incline towards peace, do thou also incline towards peace, and trust God. Ameen.
Khakeekarim 1 month ago
Aap nee Joo alfaz likhee main wo aap ke baree mee nahin likuhnga.
Yehi to aap me aur mere mee farq heeeeee!
meritocracym 1 month ago
tere maa ki choot bharwe
cricketcaptain86 1 month ago
brothers Moula ka matlab kia hai?
jedigujjar01 1 month ago
Mashallah moulana sahab....kya bat hain aap ki Iman taza hogiya....Hussainiat zindabad ...Yazidiat murdabad
MrHazaraak47 1 month ago
Oooooo Beta Beta Pehlee Tolo Phir Bolo,
Pehleee Sunoo yeee Uncle Kiya Keheee Hainnnn Pher bolo Beetaaaa
App nee yeee Uncle kiya Khetee Hain suna hiiii Hanieeeeeee.
meritocracym 1 month ago
o uncle uncle g. shirk ka faisla krny wala khuda hai. aap ka kaam apny lecture say insaniyat phelana hai shetaniyat nhi.
neda2004 1 month ago
my mans talking bout shirk u should see sum of his vidoes
khal540 2 months ago
Your comments are most well come, but only after you see this clip!
meritocracym 2 months ago
Do u muslims even know that Prophet Ibrahim when He try scrafice is son Ismail to ALLAH on then time ALLAH say his life and that time ALLAH said "YOU OBEY MY COMMAND I M VERY HAPPY WITH THAT I WILL BLESS THAT YOU GENRATION (AAL) WILL BE THE STAY LIVE AND WHO WILL NOT FOLLOW YOU PATH OR WHO WILL TRY TO STOP I WILL PROTECT U FROM THEM" so till me know who prophet (s.a.s),who is ALI and who is ur 12 Imam and who is our AGA KHAN.Stop give wrong massage to people ur not even a sand of AGA KHAN's shoe
uniqueimage4u 2 months ago
what this he said by reading the Quran. why u dont guys follow that you do do what Quran said you do obey that Prophet massage.
uniqueimage4u 2 months ago 3
Dardi rakh kar patloon ouper khainch lainay say koi AALIM nahi ban jata. Kaam karna pardta hay oun logo k liye jo is duniya ka hisa hain. AKDN ka maqsad achi taleem daina, achi sehat aur aik bahter zindagi farham karna. Al Azhar university, Aligard Muslim uni aur Aga Khan uni bi IMAM he ki dain hain. All India Muslim League k 1st President aur founder member Sir Aga Khan 3rd he tha even agar kisi nay history pardhi ho to Jinnah bi Ismaili thay. Isay kehtay hain IMAM & Ismaili.
Ya Ali Madad
Brusheski 2 months ago
@venkkyhyundai If you have any more questions feel welcome to message me on YouTube.
triplehelix989 2 months ago
@venkyhyundai Well my fellow brother in Islam, if this is what you believe then I will let you too your beliefs. I have answered all your questions. I enjoyed this discussion. As-salamu Alaykum.
triplehelix989 2 months ago
@triplehelix989
u claims to hv an "imaam" who guides u but cannot ans questions?
Where is the guidance that you claim to get?
y do u want to go to personal messages & not ans here?
All I can say is that when u do bad or support bad...someday that same thing will come & bite u. but if u repent before that, Allah is Most Merciful Oft-Forviging.
You have supported aga khan's alcohol selling....I hope you repent in front of Allah before your own opinion gets to u.
as salaam aalaykum
venkyhyundai 2 months ago
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triplehelix989 2 months ago
@venkyhyundai I have answered all your questions atleast twice? All Ismaili's do get guidance. The guidance I claim to get is very apparent in the fact that I discuss history and actual theology, and you have only talked about "if this" and "if that". You have only given these "if" scenarios that are irrelvant to the beginning discussion. If you want to see who really does bad and supports bad then look very carefully at Islamic History and the answer will be clear.
triplehelix989 2 months ago
@venkyhyundai "Allahuma salli ala Muhammadin wa aale Muhammad" (O Allah! Bestow Peace on Muhammad and his Descendants) When ever u recite salawat on the name of Hazrat Muhammad (PBUH) u r resiting the same for his descendants, Shah Karim Al Hussaini Aga Khan (SUA) is the direct descendant of Prophet Muhammad (PBUH). On one hand u r reciting SALAWAT on Hazrat Muhammad (PBUH) and his Descendent Shah Karim Al Hussaini Aga Khan (SUA) and on the other hand u r saying all these rubbish things.
Khakeekarim 2 months ago
@Khakeekarim
Ok, if your imaam interprets the quran for you.....pls help me interpret this verse
[Quran 2:238] "You shall consistently observe the prayers, especially the middle prayer, and stand before God in submission."
This verse talks about "middle prayer". Since ismailis pray twice ...which is the middle prayer?
venkyhyundai 1 month ago
@venkyhyundai
ALLAH HO AKBAR
Ismaili Muslims are r regular in their Prayers; if anyone is not regular it’s his individual act.
Secondly The Holy Quran clearly specifies two types of rights Haqooq Allah, which means the rights of Allah Almighty on His human creation, and Haqooq ul Ibad i.e. the right of people on the people, So the Salat (NAMAZ) is one of the rights of Allah Almighty on the humankind, only Allah can ask about prayers. Who are you to ask them for their prayers?
Khakeekarim 1 month ago
@Khakeekarim
I am not asking if you prayed or not. I am asking if the man you call "IMAAM" or guide is guiding you according to the quran.
But if you choose not to answer or do not know the answer ...i am ok with that.
venkyhyundai 1 month ago
@venkyhyundai
Again who are you to ask that IMAM (AS) is guiding according to the Holly Quran or not, Let this matter to ALLAH he will judge on the Day of Judgment, if you think your judgment is better than ALLAH then make your statements again and again.
May ALLAH bless All the Muslim Umah
Khakeekarim 1 month ago
@Khakeekarim who are you to question me if my questioning of aga khan is correct? Allah will judge on the day of judgement if I was like a dumb animal filled with superstition or if I based my faith on knowledge and reasoning.
venkyhyundai 1 month ago
@venkyhyundai
Allah will judge the best.
IN THE NAME OF ALLAH, THE MOST MERCIFUL, look with compassion on the whole human family; take away the divisions and hatreds which have badly infected our hearts; break down the walls that separate us; reunite us in bonds of love; and work through our struggle and confusion to accomplish Your purposes on earth; that, in Your good time, all nations and races may jointly serve You in peace and harmony. (Amen)
Khakeekarim 1 month ago
@Khakeekarim
ok but does only talking help in bringing peace to the world? do you think removing vices like alcohol & drugs would spread peace in the world?
I am sure there are some points we can agree upon!
venkyhyundai 1 month ago
@venkyhyundai
Ok my brother in Islam, ALLAH has created HALAL & HARAM both things in the world, like goat is HALAL but pig is HARAM, it’s our responsibility to choose HALAL, Mashallah all the Muslims are using HALAL.
The guests staying in the 5 star hotels are of different faith such as Muslims, Christians, Hindus etc.
The Christians and Hindus use alcohol it’s on us Muslims not to choose HARAM for over self.
Khakeekarim 1 month ago
@Khakeekarim
You didnt answer about drugs.
Also, so how about bringing idols too? its haraam in our religion but ok in thiers
venkyhyundai 1 month ago
@venkyhyundai
Astagfirullah, your statements regarding drugs etc. are false according to Islam it’s called Tohmat and Gheebat which is HARAM in Islam.
The Holy Qur'an says, "Surely (as for) those who love that scandal should circulate about the believers, they shall have a grievous chastisement in this world and the hereafter; and Allah knows, while you do not know." (24:19) Perhaps our fellow Muslims are simply unaware of the promised punishment for defaming and backbiting others.
Khakeekarim 1 month ago
@venkyhyundai
Holy Prophet (s.a.w.) Says : One who lays (put) a false accusation on believing man or a women which they are not doing, then Allah will keep him on the mountain of fire on the day of judgment till he gets punishment for his accusation.
Khakeekarim 1 month ago
@venkyhyundai
In Qur'an Surah 49 Ayat 12, Allah tells us: "....And do not spy nor let some of you backbite others. Does one of you like to eat the dead flesh of his brother?"
Khakeekarim 1 month ago
@Khakeekarim I am not laying false accusation on aga khan. He really sells alcohol. Search on youtube "aga khan sells alcohol" . the description below the video has a list of all his bars. This is not backbiting or rumor mongering.... this is testifying. I am testifying to people that aga khan is a fraud.
venkyhyundai 1 month ago
@venkyhyundai I should not talk to some one who has no respect to AAL-E- RASOOL
according to the Holy Prophet of Islam, "The one who listens to Gheebat is one of those who do Gheebat." so im leaving this page and topic, "Hold fast to the Rope of Allah, all of you together and do not separate" (Quran 3:103)"
Khakeekarim 1 month ago
@Khakeekarim
Who told you aga khan is ahle rasool? and even if he is....does that give him the right to sin & make others sin?
This verse calls alcohol a vice...does not say dont drink but not to support!
[Quran 5:91] Satan's plan is (but) to excite enmity and hatred between you, with intoxicants and gambling, and hinder you from the remembrance of Allah, and from prayer: will ye not then abstain?
venkyhyundai 1 month ago
@venkyhyundai
I am quoting verses of Holly Quran 4 u people so read this and practice your faith and let others to practice their faith.
"Lakum dinukum waliyadin" “ To you your practice of Religion and to me mine. ” (Qur'an 109:06).
Khakeekarim 1 month ago
AGA KHAN ZINDAABAD...
YE BEGERAT PAKISTANIUN KO PATA NAI KI AGA KHAN KON HY... AGER WO NA HOTA TO AJ PAKISTAN NA HOTA... JALI DAWEDAAR JALI LEADERS OR JAHLIOON KA TOLLA HY....
JB B IN LOGUN KA PATH JAYE TO SIRF AGA KHAN KO BULA LETAY HAN OR JAB IN KA PAT BAR JAYE TO GUSTAKHI BANTY HA
IN SE YE PUCHOO KI K IMF OR W.B KA LOAN KA GRANTER KON HY.. AGER AGA KHAN CHAHY TO PURA PAKISTAN LE SAKTA GAY US GRANTEE K BADLAY....
piyar1234 2 months ago
@venkyhyundai I answered this question. If somebody needs money it's not a bad job to work in the Serena Hotels. Like I said the Qu'ran simply forbids the consumption and nothing else. I do not know why you are giving me a pointless scenario.
triplehelix989 2 months ago
@triplehelix989
I am not talking abt working in serena hotels. I am talking abt serving alcohol in the bars in serena hotels. I am talking abt pouring vodka,wine, beer etc for the drunkards who come to drink .........
u seem to b hesitant to say yes & the reason for this is that alcohol is a vice and so is gambling. quran calls both alcohol and gambling as "satans handiwork" in surah 5 v 90.
We all know the ills of these but people like aga khan sell thier souls & misguide others.
venkyhyundai 2 months ago
Where in this lip it say that " Aga Khan own Bars" Please First see this clip and then pass your comments. You still haven't seen this Clip. First see this clip and then comment.
meritocracym 2 months ago
@venkyhyundai There are no Aga Khan bars. The Aga Khan owns the Serena Hotels. Stop making things up. The Aga Khan is compliant with the Qu'ran. The Qu'ran says that only Allah and those "grounded in knowledge" can know the true interpretation of the Qu'ran I answered that question in a previous post. I am not here to pass judgement on a bunch of random and illogical scenarios you create. Afghanistan is owned by a Sunni Government so ask yourself or another Sunni this question.
triplehelix989 2 months ago
@triplehelix989
First, pls hit reply 2 my comments else i don't notified.
Sencond, luv ur rehtorics (like "grounded in knowledge" etc) , but u r not answering my qts.
If someone came upto the tariqah board & asked this question "Can I open a strip club that will not serve to muslims" what would your answer be?
if u dont want to I won't force u to ans this.....do u want to move to the next topic?
Since u cliam to hv an imaam that guides u, u shud be able to guide..shudn't u?
venkyhyundai 2 months ago
@venkyhyundai The tariqah board doesnt create "laws" for the Ismailis. Ismailis can do whatever they want same as Sunnis. I know many Sunnis that do unethical business practices as well as some Ismailis that also do these things. I should not be able to guide. That is the Imams role. I do not know the true interpreation of the Qu'ran, only the Imam of the Time knows this. Like I said before you are going off topic, a Strip club has nothing to do with alcohol in the Serena Hotels.
triplehelix989 2 months ago
@venkyhyundai A Strip club like a said before is illegalized in all the religions of the book. This is not allowed. If anybody has used anything close to a strip club it is in fact the Sunnis. Look at the Abbasid,Ummayyad, and Ottoman Caliphs(Sunni Empires). They all had a significant number of children,wives, and prostitutes(10+ each). The Fatimid(Ismaili Empire) Caliphs never had this. At most they had two wives mainly for political reasons. The Sunni Caliphs were just weak men and perverted.
triplehelix989 2 months ago
@triplehelix989
Whenever I am talking about aga khan & ismaili theology, you keep on pointing fingers at some other sect of islam. By pointing out sins of others you really think you can justify your own?
Ok, since you can't ans strip clubs , lets talk about the bars in serena hotels.
Would you let your sister or wife or your children work in these bars? they would only serve but not drink. they would serve only to non-muslims.
venkyhyundai 2 months ago
@venkyhyundai You have not discussed Ismaili theology at all. I point at other sects because it is them that have committed the sins you are discussing not Ismailis. I answered your strip club answer perfectly. The Aga khan hasn't done any sins. I don't see what's wrong with working in bar. The Qu'ran only forbids the consumption. People are just trying to make money and live. Nothing unethical about that. I told you I am done discussing your irrelevant and foolish scenarios.
triplehelix989 2 months ago
@triplehelix989
pls answer to the point . Would you let your wife or sister or children work in your imaam's bars if they only served and not drank themselves?
venkyhyundai 2 months ago
@venkyhyundai Who allows it? The SUNNI Pakistan government. Plus once again it is only sold to non-Muslims. Alcohol is allowed in the Christian religion.
If you go to the main website for Serena Kabul hotel It states on the very bottom of the page.
"Alcohol
The consumption of alcohol in Afghanistan is widely prohibited and is not permitted in the Kabul Serena Hotel."
triplehelix989 2 months ago
@triplehelix989
Would you let your wife or sister or children work in your imaam's bars if they only served and not drank themselves?
answer to the point
venkyhyundai 2 months ago
you are correct about The Aga Khan , but not correct about this video. You didn't even see this . Am I right.?
meritocracym 2 months ago
@venkyhyundai Actually if you go to the Pakistan Serena ACTUAL website not these nonsense videos you will see Alcohol is only sold to NON-Muslims. In the Christian culture alcohol is allowed. This is just an example of tolerance and respect for another culture.Sunnis have done nothing for Muslims. The Aga Khan is the only one who is helping all Muslims around the world. You believe in Islam but you do not practice it. The Aga Khan puts Islam into practice, because he helps all Muslims.
triplehelix989 2 months ago
@triplehelix989
so by your logic, he can open a brothel becoz other cultures allow it. As long as muslims don't bang a hooker there? The quran calls intoxicants "satans handiwork" .
The aga khan is not serving muslims, rather snitching them out. He does not serve muslims, rather his masters who pay him.
Show me one practice that muslims follow & so do ismailis!!
venkyhyundai 2 months ago
@venkyhyundai A brothel is against all religions of the book. It is also against the law in almost all countries and considered uncivilized. So, your brothel analogy is baseless and irrelvant. How is the Aga Khan "snitching" out Muslims? Please explain this. Who are these "supposed" masters that are paying him? Like us, the only master of the Imam is Allah. Ismailis do hajj, daily prayers, Ramadan, say shahada, and do zakat.
triplehelix989 2 months ago
@triplehelix989
Ok, you don't like brothels...how about a strip clubs. Legal in more countries , considered "civilized" by many cultures as compared to brothels too.
while you answer this one, I am listing pending questions below so that we don't loose track and we will come back to them after we finish discussing the above point.
PENDING
1) Who are the masters of the aga khan
2) Ismailis do hajj, daily prayers , ramadan fast , say shahada & do zakat.
venkyhyundai 2 months ago
@venkyhyundai Strip clubs are not considered legal in religions of the book. Strip clubs have nothing to do with alcohol in HOTELS. The alcohol sold in these hotels is Wine as well which only NON muslims can purchase. You are continuously going off on a tangent to defend a point that is false. You fail yet again by making another irrelvant analogy.
triplehelix989 2 months ago
@triplehelix989
Do they ask "are you a non muslim??" before selling or serving.
alcohol is not permitted in the bible too . The following are verses from the bible
“Wine is a mocker, strong drink is raging; and whosoever is deceived thereby is not wise.” [Proverbs 20:1]
“And be not drunk with wine.” [Ephesians 5:18]
the people of the book have abandoned the bible...
venkyhyundai 2 months ago
@venkyhyundai I do not know how they do it but it STATES in the Serena hotel rules that it is their policy to sell to only NON Muslims. Alcohol is permitted in the bible. "Go, eat your bread with joy, and drink your wine with a merry heart, for God has already approved what you do." [Ecclesiastes 9:7]. Key word is APPROVED. Your quotes simply say that the Bible is saying to avoid drunkness. Thats why it says, "Wine is a MOCKER". But "strong drink is raging". 2nd one says "be not drunk"
triplehelix989 2 months ago
Speech is one of the five human senses. Attributing a human sense to Allah is SHIRK. This is why Anglel Gabriel was the medium between Muhammad and Allah because Muhammad, a human with only 5 senses, would not be able to understand Allah. By believeing the Qu'ran is comprised of the direct words of Allah you attribute one of the five Human senses to him. This is wrong. This is why the Literal Sunni interpretation is completely wrong. The Qu'ran was meant to be interpreted according to the time.
triplehelix989 2 months ago
@triplehelix989
lets not jump...we will come to your question about 5 senses later...lets first finish the alcohol part.
is that policy to sell to non-muslims on serena hotel's website?
also since you agree with alcohol selling, does this mean that aga khan's casinos are for gambling for non muslims only??
venkyhyundai 2 months ago
@venkyhyundai I didn't jump. I posted that 4 days ago. Yes it is. Go to alcohol section on very bottom. Says only non-muslisms are permitted. Just google it. The Aga Khan only developed the island of Sardinia resort with a group of investors. He DOES NOT OWN the casino or any others. He's involved only in the yacht club and marina there.
triplehelix989 2 months ago
@venkyhyundai The hotels always work in compliance with whatever Muslims country they are in. If the Muslim countires allow alcohol then it seems you should be attacking the government not just a small hotel in the country. If the country does not permit it then neither does the hotel. I am constantly repeating myself about the Serena Hotels. What here is so hard that you cannot comprehend? My arguement is cogent. If you attribute a human sense to Allah that is SHIRK.
triplehelix989 2 months ago
@triplehelix989
LOL....so aga khans bars are in compliance with countries, but being the descendant of the prophet, shouldn't he worry about them being compliant with the quran?
Now for example, US invaded afghanistan, when afghanistan is under US occupation even a strip club would be compliant. SO coming back to my question why do you say "NO" to a strip club while "YES" to a bar ??
If this strip club also will have the same no muslim policy, then is it according to ismaili doctorine??
venkyhyundai 2 months ago
I need to correct ur knowledge DUFFER !!! Piyaray lal,
The word Aga Khan waz given by the Iranian ruler to the 46th Imam of Ismailiz "Shah Hasan Ali".
Brusheski 3 months ago
@Brusheski
If he is 46th imaam
1) y does he sell alcohol in is hotels
2) y does he run horses so that he people can gamble
3) y does his bank take interest
venkyhyundai 3 months ago
@venkyhyundai He is the 49th Imam.
1) Qu'ran only forbids intoxication of any sort. Serena Hotels in Muslim countries are actually not allowed to sell alochol. The money made by these hotels go to the Aga Khan development network which is currently helping people in third world countries, as well as Muslim countries, become bettter educated and have a better quality of life. What have the Sunnis done for Islam? The is nothing unislamic about having a hobby for horses and taking interest.
triplehelix989 2 months ago
@triplehelix989 u raise 3 pts
1) AK does not sell alcohol in muslims countries
kabul serena & serena all over pakistan have alcohol. search for "aga khan sells alcohol" on youtube & see links below that video
2) Money made by these hotels goes to AKDN
does this mean that AK can sell drugs or open a brothel in the name of helping the poor?
3) Wht hv sunnis done for islam?
No one can do anything for islam, rather islam does wonders for ppl but sum use islam to make money or kill.
venkyhyundai 2 months ago
Shia sect is came into being after the pursuation of Abdullah Ibn-e Saba
As for Barailvi they came into being in mid 17th century by Ahmed Raza Barailvi a person well supported by Britishers just like Ahmadis !
Read history but with an open mind. You will see that people you adore made mistakes. Accept the facts not twist them.
Allah forgives us all everyday, even those that have no knowledge of "Ali moula" !!!!
mercede75 3 months ago
@mercede75 you better search history for ur self, we know what is right and what is wrong. this person whom you are calling a 'molvi' keeps more knowledge than you on religion. and for a record i also believes on the hadith he quoted in the session. dear, have some research on the words he said that Muhammad PBUH said that Ali has the same relation with me which the Haroon AS had with Moosa AS, but just the difference was he was a nabi and ALI was not. i'm a sunny but beleiver of Ali's walayat.
MultiVicky123456 3 months ago
@MultiVicky123456
He also said "If there were a prophet after me, it would have been Omer" Now what do you say to that?
Definitely this Molvi knows Islam more, and that's the problem. The understanding of Islam is left to these Molvis & they interpret Islam as they wish. No one questions their authority.
They know even for the tiniest thing, People will come to them.
we can have the same knowledge if we do not limit ourselves to the Friday's Sermons only!
mercede75 3 months ago
@mercede75 and for a record,Ahmed Raza Barailivi did not expose a new faith or sect nor he was supported by Britishers. the British supported people like Ahmedi who the God later cursed while the name of Barailvi is still alive. he was just an Islami scholar with good knowledge of religion. the name Barailivi emerged because he belonged to a small town in India named Breli, just like Ali Hajvery belonged to a town in Afghanistan named Hajver so, he later known as Hajvery. Barailvis are sunni.
MultiVicky123456 3 months ago
ya chotiya ka bacha bakwas kar raha hay.......
4200mehdi 3 months ago
Most of the Peoples comment just by seeing the Heading.
meritocracym 3 months ago
Thanks, After a long time you are the one who commented after seeing this clip.
Thanks Again.
meritocracym 3 months ago
This NON-ISMAILI video very clearly says that Prophet Muhammad (AS) wanted the people to Believe in Imam Ali(AS) as Mawla after him.
And he Ismailis say " La illah Ha illalah , Mohaammad dur Rasul illah, Aliun Ameerul Momanin Ali UL lah. 'UL LAH' means FROM GOD . So at the end it means Ameerul Momanin Ali IS FROM GOD. Which makes perfect sense from this video that even the Prophet Muhammad (AS) gave so much importance to Imam Ali (AS) that he called him Maula too.
Which is not Shirk.
eddyydd123 3 months ago
fucking idiot
chtovimenitebemojem 3 months ago
Why you people love to accuse others? Even if it is true why don't just educate people without accusing people? I am a sunnah anyway, my methodology is Hanbaliah. I am not a wahhabi, I don't know what is wahhabi. anything wrong, go back to Quran and Sunnah!
Kubangpasu 3 months ago
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Prophet said "Ali will be wali after me" Man kumtum mola hun fahaza hn ali hun mola..allah huma aliman ala hun wa abidan ada hum" ali is from me and i am from ali"me and ali is from same noor"Only those are momin who respect ali and only those are muafiq who disrespect ali"didar ali is just like pray for you if you cant see ali then ziker ali is pray or ibadatun" ali is haq and right is with ali" or ktne hdis bta don bor
geyaimamat 4 months ago
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and after farimid imam AS the his of islam was agian destroyed... this is truth ... then after the imams are living normal and normal and advising with a very minor community i.e. ismalizum.. and today the living imam and direct blood of Muhammad SAWW and Ali AS is HH Shah Karim Al Hussani 49th Imam.. we were killed by jews 1st i.e. Changez and Halaku khan and after we were killed by our own muslim bros... this is ismalizam.. plz listen the all world... we are shaeeeddd day by day
geyaimamat 4 months ago
@geyaimamat
please see our latest video below "aga khan sells alcohol".
For evidence I have added links to all the bars that aga khan owns below the video too.
Have a nice day!!
venkyhyundai 4 months ago
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@venkyhyundai
y u r engry about ali.. Ali is the imam for Abu Bakar Umer Usman and all 124000 ashab of nabi pak.. when prophet PBUH announced in gadeer e khum Man Kum Tm Mola Hum Fahaza Ali hn Mola" then the 1st beliver of Ali's Imamat or molayet is Omer ibne Khatab..
Hazrat Ali is the imam for All Ashab e Karam and All ashab e karam are praying behind Ali... even all three khalifs... If this is wronng thn i challanged u.. ali was imam for all.. am not shia am true muslim.. challanged u..
piyar1234 4 months ago 2
@piyar1234
I respect hazrat ali(as), but what does aga khan have to do with islam?? there are atleast 3 people who claim to be descendant of the prophet(pbuh) thru ali(a.s.). The sayyedna of bohras, ahmad qadiani of ahmadiyya & aga khan of ismaili....which one is true?? We can only judge people based on the quran. The aga khan sells alcohol, he runs horses so that people gamble on them he takes interest in his banks, he charges money for prayers or majalis (naomi,noorani,life etc)
venkyhyundai 3 months ago
@venkyhyundai
1st u must cleared about the history..
ahmedia or qadiyanis has no history they were just made new madhab when british was in sub continent..
2nd sayyedna bohras are also not a pure history
3rd are agakhanis who has the pure history just see the fatimid khalafat,... and he the agakhan is the fatimied herediarty imam of the time..all the muslim govt. including fatimid and abbasid were down by the saljookies or mengools and then after the fatimid imams r living minorities.....
piyar1234 3 months ago
@piyar1234
lol....u say ismailis don't have "pure" history but bohras & qadianis say the same thing. They also say ismailis are from british. Even the word "aga khan" was given by queen elizabeth to this guy.
You forgot to tell me y aga khan sells alcohol in his hotels(serena hotels) ??
venkyhyundai 3 months ago
@venkyhyundai When you talk about the Aga Khan we are only talking about the Nizari Ismailis, not bohras. Aga Khan was a title given by the Shah of Iran not Britain. The Qu'ran forbids intoxication of any sort. In Muslim countries the selling of Alcohol is forbidden in the Serena hotels. The money all goes to Aga Khan Development network which is currently helping third world countries all around the world. Aga Khan is doing true Islamic Work, he is trying unite the Islamic world, not divide it.
triplehelix989 2 months ago
@triplehelix989 u people think you can fool us by your baseless comment's and baseless religion of your's , you are too transparent and supported greatly by foreign policies along with finance.
You people tampered our religion Islam shame on you all whoever follows this path of your's.
Islam is a true religion no matter how much the kafir's make it hard for us, but the bitter truth is in the end everyone whoever is left have to submit themselves
Sheraz4reaL 2 months ago
@Sheraz4reaL My comments are not baseless. They are supported by the Qu'ran, a religious text that the Sunnis have failed to understand for 1400 years. I am a Muslim and you are calling my religion baseless? You just called your own religion baseless? How have Ismaili's tampered the religion? We are making the world a much better place through the Aga Khan development network by helping all MUSLIMS all around the world. Sunnis have done nothing for their fellow brothers in Islam. You are kafir.
triplehelix989 2 months ago
@triplehelix989 man you make us laugh ..lol
Sheraz4reaL 2 months ago
@Sheraz4reaL i Well it is now clear you can't defend your arguement since you didn't respond in refutation, but in foolishness.
triplehelix989 2 months ago
@triplehelix989 i don't wana waste my precious time on stupid people like you.
Sheraz4reaL 2 months ago
@venkyhyundai you mind your own business.. if you dont believe in one's beliefs you should respect them. is this what your faith teaches you? if does than i feel really sorry for you.
punkprincess9031 2 months ago
@punkprincess9031
Thank you for feeling sorry for me.
Now please tell me why aga khan sells alcohol in his hotel if he is a true muslim??
You should ask yourself if he is truly teaching you islam or just pretending.
tc
venkyhyundai 2 months ago
@venkyhyundai You know the definition of a true muslim? How do you know who is a better muslim? Only Allah knows who and what a good muslim is. Our faith is strong and we have nothing to Question. Your faith is weak tand this is why you go around to these videos that attack Ismailis to feel some sort of assurance that you are on the right path. You look at Youtube videos for assurance, we look at Allah and the true leader of Islam for guidance.
triplehelix989 2 months ago
@venkyhyundai i dont if he is selling alcohol at his hotels or not. but if he is than you should know his hotels are 5 star hotels, and more foreigners than locals come there. Its upon the person weather drink or not. It shouldn't bother you. Its none of your business. People who have to believe him will believe him, nobody's gonna see your comments and change their faith :P why are you wasting your energy? lol
punkprincess9031 2 months ago
@venkyhyundai i saw you above mentioning he charges for prayers and majlis? You have a great misconception. If you dont know about something and are not sure you should publicly accuse someone like that. If you are sucha a great muslin you shouldn't even be saying all this about someone's faith. Fix yourself first!
punkprincess9031 2 months ago
@punkprincess9031
doesn't aga khan charge money for naomi, life or noorani majlis? Its a life time membership fee?
venkyhyundai 2 months ago
@venkyhyundai Nooo, who ever said that to you is simply arrogant. Stop assuming things and disrespected someone like that please! Dont be stupid is there even any religion in the world who charges membership fees for their faith :/ you are seriously misguided brother.
punkprincess9031 2 months ago
@venkyhyundai Ismailism is the most peaceful sect in islam. There are always fights and problems between other sects because their people tell them how bad other faiths are but not emphasis on how to make a better and peaceful living for themselves. Our community is successfull everywhere mashallah.
punkprincess9031 2 months ago
@venkyhyundai i seriously do not know about that, but as i already if it is its only served for non muslims i am sure. What is your problem? stop commenting. you should mind your own business. If alchohoal was so open for us we'd all be drinking it by now. Alcohol is as much haram for us as much as for other muslims. trust me.
punkprincess9031 2 months ago
@venkyhyundai the Aga khan is proven descendant of of prophet Muhammad. This a FACT proven in British Court in the 19th century. You cannot judge people. Passing judgement on people is haram in all traditions of the faith.
triplehelix989 2 months ago
@venkyhyundai kus madar chod....tum randy ke ollladdd...bakwas krty hu...
4200mehdi 3 months ago
@4200mehdi
lol...
1) search for "aga khan vacation" on youtube
2) search for "aga khan enamorado" on google
3) search for "aga khan sells alcohol" on youtube
see aga khans real face!!
venkyhyundai 3 months ago
@4200mehdi
Truth hurts....I am sorry it hurts you
venkyhyundai 3 months ago
@venkyhyundai He follows the Laws of all the Muslim countries. If it is outlawed by the country they do not sell alcohol. In many of the hotels alcohol is only allowed to be sold to non-muslims. Since only CONSUMING intoxicants is forbidden in the Qu'ran(fact stated in your video) whats the harm of selling alcohol to a RELIGION such as Christianity that allows it? There is no harm done. Your facts are baseless.
triplehelix989 2 months ago
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geyaimamat 4 months ago
@hotchocolate4u and i respect you for that. after all, we are merely humans. who are we to judge others. allah knows best.
jumpjet88 5 months ago
kuttay ke bache tu mushrik he
zain5186385 5 months ago
@hotchocolate4u dont get sunnis confused with wahabis. they are the true culprits of tarnishing islam's image. but at the same time what this guy saying in the video is wrong. follow the quran and sunnah, that is all.
jumpjet88 5 months ago
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Shia Imami Ismailies are the true muslims and true track (sirat e Maustaqeem) of Allah (almighty) and the Prophet Muhammad PBUH and Holly Quran and they always affliated with the decendent (Ahle Bait) of Prophet Muhammad PBUH i.e. Mola Ali (AS) to HH Price Karim Aga Khan...
I found this where Quran e Pak says that Allah (at the judgement day) will call all muslims with Quran and Ahle Baith... It means Quran and Ahle Baith are living Hazir.. every muslim has quran but no Ahle Bait..
geyaimamat 5 months ago
@hotchocolate4u shut the hell up you fake! You're nothing but a brainwashed weak minded bigot fool!
AshasJourney 5 months ago
ya ali, qadri sahib allaH AAP KO panjtan ka sadqa atta kray.
rajapakistannni 5 months ago
@aminmu66
Dear all,
Please do not upload such videos.. as you know there are 80% are munafiqeen living in the name of Islam.. Allah has already declared them hell... I do not bear their harsh wards towords Mola e Kayanaat.. AS...
piyar1234 5 months ago
The Hadith he is quoting is not correct. He is missquoting the hadith to prove his point of view. Muhammad never said that Ali is Maula or anything like that. He wanted us to pray to God. that's it. Not pray through Ali or any other person. Why these fake people twist the hadiths?
mercede75 5 months ago
@mercede75
Stop it yar plz stop it... Jo Ali ko mola nai manta wo Munafiq hy... Ye jo hadith 80000 se b ziada Ashab RA se riwayat hy... apna shumar munafiqoon me mat kr... Ali k mola bane k bad Deen e Islam ka name Allah ne announce kia Apni Akhri Ayaat me... Islam Ali k bagyer Fish Out of Water hy.... Ali Haq hy or Haq Ali k sath hy... Ali noore Allah hy or Allah ka noor Ali hy..... Ali ki Sifaat Allah hoo Akber hy or Allah Hoo Akber ka Name Ali hy... GOT IT
piyar1234 5 months ago
@mercede75
My friend "stop it yar Plz stop it" did you see the clip? No.
meritocracym 5 months ago
Correct , but you did not see this clip. Am I right.?
meritocracym 5 months ago
@meritocracym I saw it but the problem is that people are following blindly
Simple thing: If Ali was maula or anything
why Gabriel always came to Muhammad and not Ali?
Why for Koran, God chose Muhammad over Ali?
Why the first person to enter heaven is Muhammad not Ali?
Why he has no clear Ayat in Koran (I'm not talking about "this refers to Ali" stuff) and Muhammad has complete Sura dedicated to him?
If Ali were alive he would have cursed this molvi and his followers.
mercede75 3 months ago
@mercede75 Gabriel chose Muhammad because he was a PROPHET not an Imam like Ali. Ali was meant to lead the faith after Muhammads death. Muhammad died first so he entered heaven first obviously. Ali's noor is alive in the the Aga Khan and he has not cursed his followers. Surah Maida says that, " If thou hast not done so, then thou has not delivered his message, Allah will protect thee from the people" Surah Maida was chronologically one of the last Surahs. So tell me what was this message?I know.
triplehelix989 2 months ago
You are correct , But have you listen to this lip.
NO you have not. This is according to Quran's Guidance , if you not believe that is up to you.
meritocracym 5 months ago
"Surely we have sent to every nation a messenger saying, worship Allaah and avoid Taaghoot (false gods)"
God does not need partners to do his bidding on earth, like you believe. Nowhere in the Qur'an does it mention 12 imams, or Ali ibn Abi Talib (R.A.) as a successor. "Every innovation is a misguidance and every misguidance goes to Hell fire."
--Prophet Muhammad (PBUH)
SRR1213 5 months ago
Nara Haidary: YA ALi,YA ALi,YA ALi,YA ALi,YA ALi,
turkman49 5 months ago
Dushman ka dil jalao!
Nare Haidery Lagao!
Ya Ali!!!!!
SyedRizvi786110 5 months ago
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aye chotya molwe agar tere ko itna tallf deya hai ismaili ne en ka pecha chor aur Ahle Sunnat mazhab ke imam shafi ke peche bhonk kio ke Imam shafi ka kehna hai, Shaafi tu marega leken ye os ko malom nahe ke os ka khuda Allah Hai Ya ALI!!! aya samjh mai
turkman49 5 months ago
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hum ko is Jahel Sahab se ayk sawal hai? Rasul ke time pe tu musalman Rasul ke Mubarak hath pe Baiat Karte te aur eman laate tu muslman kehlate leken Ismaili log aga khan sahab pe Baiat karte hai unhe Nabi ke Ahle Baiat mankar ab ye sahab jo Shirk ka faisla karte hai Zara poche ke yd sahab kis ke hath pe Baiat kar ke Muslman bane hai kote ke tara khali pele mai bhok na janta hai bas
turkman49 5 months ago
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arai ye molwe chotya hai zara socho Samajdar log ho tum agar ye ismaili log Nauz Billah Hazrat Ali ko Allah mante tu ismaili log ka tu pehle khuda kofe ke masjid mai shahed hogaye aur keya bolega ye chotya molwi aur kuch mila nahe peche para ismaili ke
turkman49 5 months ago
NO they dont think Ali is Allah...Ignorant dumbass!
pabaniak 5 months ago
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pabaniak 5 months ago
Shaikh Ul Khabaais Dr Tahir Ul Paadri.
Wafoor 6 months ago
Sure why not, But before we start please see this clip, I know you have not seen this.!
meritocracym 6 months ago
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its better to discuse on this clip rather then arguing
if u people want then we can discuse that what is Imam for ismailies and what is Ali for Ismailies and are Ismailies right or wrong but i just want discussion not the fight or argue and i prove my part of point as Muslim. thakyou if u are interested so please tell me so we shall discuse it
internetbuddy7 6 months ago
its better to discuse on this clip rather then arguing
if u people want then we can discuse that what is Imam for ismailies and what is Ali for Ismailies and are Ismailies right or wrong but i just want discussion not the fight or argue and i prove my part of point as Muslim. thakyou if u are interested so please tell me so we shall discuse it
internetbuddy7 6 months ago
Mr Momin, First see this clip then post your comment again, By your comments I can easily guess, You have not seen this clip, you just posted your comments by only looking at the title!
Am I right.?
meritocracym 7 months ago
this chootiyaan miullllah will teach koran lol :D
MrSarfrazmomin 7 months ago
this chootiyan mulllah will teach koran lol soundss funny , chootiye daadi muchi rakhne se muslim nahi banjaate lode first go to school and learn abcd
MrSarfrazmomin 7 months ago
for you its your religion and for me its mine!
aqstermole 7 months ago
Moula Ali is our beloved "Imam" not Allah, Allah is one and Mohammed is the last Messenger of Allah. if you think Ali is our Allah then listen " i don,t have problem with that too" Mohammed and Ali are like the face of Allah for me.
MyKarakoram 7 months ago
where does the quran tell you that you must be able to see, feel, and/or touch your maula? it doesn't say that he should be gayab, but does it say that he must be in a mortal form? just want to see some quotes, not challenging you
thanks
357abbas 7 months ago
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geyaimamat 8 months ago
First listen to this Gentle men, He is giving the ref of SUNNI books not SHIA, secondly you peoples are Disgrace to Islam, not ISAMILI, you people Never know how to live peacefully with fellow human being. The basic meaning of ISLAM is peace, did you know that?
aminmu65 8 months ago
SUNI IS THE WAY AND THAT"S IT, NOT SHIA AND DEFINETLY NOT ISMIAILI, ISMAILI IS NOTHING BUT A DISCRACE TO MUSLIMS, YOU PEOPLE DONT EVEN FACE THE KABBA WHEN YOU PRAY AND YOU DONT EVEN PRAY FOR GOD SAKES.
pimparuchi 8 months ago
geyaimamat 8 months ago
@geyaimamat U DID NOT HAVE TO MENTION THESE THINGS BRO. IT"S SIMPLE ISMAILI IS A DISCRACE AND THAT"S IT, SHEA IS WRONG. SUNNI IS THE WAY AND THE ONLY WAY, PROPHET MUHAMAD SAW IS THE PROPHET, NOT ali AND NOT THAT CROOK aga khan.
pimparuchi 8 months ago
@pimparuchi
Who said that Ali (AS) is prophet!!!!!!!!!!!! NO Last propher is Muhammad (SAWW) Ali was first imam... and being a muslim u must beilive on imamat... after rislat or nabuwat or phrophet.... I think u discharge urself from getting knowledge about islam.. study study study and then tell something... one who are not getting respect of Ahle Bait they are called.... Khariji... As the kharijis were declared as non muslims they are terrists...
geyaimamat 8 months ago
@geyaimamat Brother aslamu aleikum first of all. Hadith in Bukhari states that In judgement day Muhamad saw will intervene for his companions and will ask Allah SWA to let a group of people in jannah without judgement. Allah swa will say: But you dont know what they did after you were gone, they inovated and sined. That inoviation is Shia from which Ismailism was inovated. U tell me what that is then since you say that I am forbiding my self from ataining knowledge of islam. SUNNI IS THE WAY.
pimparuchi 8 months ago
@pimparuchi
I100% belive on that Hadith that Muhammad SAWW will intervene for his companions... Prophet Muhammad SAWW given us islam and he selected Mollah Ali (AS) first imam.. I've alrady told u what an Imam's Responsibility.... u must belive on this hadith that prophet SAWW said that After my time "I will leaved two things for you One is Quran and other is my Ahle Baitt,,, If you'l strictly get these two things then u never be lost and these two are superior than each other" Just think..
geyaimamat 8 months ago
@geyaimamat Brother, you must get this through your head, SHIA should not exist, Ismailis expecialy. SUNNI IS THE WAY AND THE ONLY WAY, THE ONLY WAY. END OF STORY.
pimparuchi 8 months ago
@pimparuchi Every Religion and Cast Exist in the world by will of God, Not yours!
aminmu65 8 months ago
@aminmu65 U have no knowledge about these things so I suggest you stay out of it, you make no sense, my guess is you are not even muslim. ISLAM IS THE RELIGION AND THE TRUTH SINCE THE DESCEND OF ADAM. EVERY OTHER FORM OF BELIEF THAT IS CALLED RELIGION IS MADE BY MAN. ISLAM IS THE TRUTH AND THE ONLY TRUTH AND IS OUR GUIDELINE IN THIS LIFE. THAT'S IT.
pimparuchi 8 months ago
@pimparuchi
Dear first listen... We ismilies are not accepting the Ahle-Tashies... they are broke form Imam Jafer,,, and then they belive that tehir imam is "gyab" but the context of Quran that Imam alwasys in this world.. Sura Yasin "Ina Shaen Asyena Hufi Imamen Mubeen" Mubeen means hazir... you can see...
don't mind sunis are very faraway frm islam... they just made their imam by their own not by Propher SAW.. even there is no link b/w prophet SAWW and suni's imams...
geyaimamat 8 months ago
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geyaimamat 8 months ago
@geyaimamat
Dear Geyaimamt! we don't believe that imam is "Gyab", in fact if you know the qualities of Imam than you must know that he exist everywhere by the permission of God. and we never Broke with you (you have your way to go) but we are on the way which is guided by the Prophet (S.A.W.W), in one Hadid he told that "Awalna Muhammad, Ausatna Muhammad, Akhirona Muhammad" Trans! we are all Muhammad, so wht do you think, could your present Imam can be eligible for this post? "Never" anyways.
saimali110 8 months ago
Dear @saimali110
Ya Ali Madad bro!
Fist of all i would like to suggest you to read the Imam Jafer (AS) books... and our every Ahle Tashi muslims are accepted that the after imam Jafer (AS) the Imam ismaeel (AS) was the selected as Imam of that time.. as per the Ahle Tashi school of though after selection of imam ismaeel (AS) the imamat was given to Musa Qazim (2nd Son of Imam JAFER(AS)) because imam ismaeel miss used the iamat..
geyaimamat 8 months ago
@geyaimamat
Moreover as we all know that all Imam are equal in account of follow the orders and respect, so (don't mind, and it is not possible) compare your today's Imam by Hazrat Ali A.S., Imam Hasan A.S., Imam Hussain A.S. till Imam Jaffar A.S., what will you find.???????????
Apart from Discussion, i was here to see your prayer, if you are really follower of Hazrat Ali A.S., then please guide me to see your prayer!!1
and please don't mind anything, again saying you have your way to go!!!!!
saimali110 8 months ago
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geyaimamat 8 months ago
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geyaimamat 8 months ago
@saimali110
every shia muslim is very cleared about the eligibility of an imam...
1) An Imam must be selected by previous imam
2) the selected Imam is alwasy "MASOON" or innocent
How you Ahle Tahsis are rejecting imam ismaeel and selecting Musa Qazim (2nd Son of Imam Jafer)
By knowing that imam ismaeel was selected by Jafer(AS) and he was innocent and how he missused the IMAMAT
Please answer me by thinking about the above two statements.
Thanks..
geyaimamat 8 months ago
@geyaimamat
Dear, Ya Ali Madad, first of all in my first comment i told you that you have your own way to go but i request you to please don't give space to laugh anyone!!!
this is the main mistake, No one can select Imam, Imams are selected by God and there are many Hadid to prove this, now if you will say that an Imam must be selected by previous one then how you will say that he is Masoom, when he doesn't know that he will be Imam or not????
or he will become Masoom by selecting Imam.....???
saimali110 8 months ago
@geyaimamat
No this is not like this, Imams are selected by God and they are by birth Masoom (Innocent), now when this should be cleared that Imam are selected by God how anyone can say that Imam Jaffar Sadiq A.S. selected Ismail as Imam, NO, NEVER, if you think that this has happened than no one can ask any Sunni to select Imam Abu Hanfia, Imam Malik, Imam Shafai, Imam Hanbal, because you are saying that Imam can be selected by Imam (or any Human) No. and it will be surprising!!!
saimali110 8 months ago
@saimali110
first you shall listen from your key ALIM UD DINS.... they will must comit that the imam ismaeel AS was selected by imam jaffer... for your kind information an Imam is selected by the previous imam in the form of NUS by any of his son and he must be masoom by brith.... Shia islamic thought imam is BOLTA HUWA QURAN... imam is the noor of ALLAh and therefore imam is selcted by previous imam....not by ALLAH or GOD... must listen from your leaders...
geyaimamat 8 months ago