@ziggyboi1995. Yes i wouldnt be able to typing, because i wouldn't have a fingers to type on the keyboard.. Get out of here you and your columbus ass can kiss my ass.. Trash you.. And keep on surport genocide .this is a typical evil behaviour
ziggyboi1995. Yes i wouldnt be able to typing, because i wouldn't have a fingers to type on the keyboard.. Get out of here you and your columbus ass can kiss my ass.. Trash you
@HowTheWorldWorks. Another devil, dude What do you mean discover america?? In America there was already people , its like me now coming to your house and kill your ass, and beng proud of it and said that i discover your hause, is than realy make sence? Thanking someone for killing and rape and slaughter kids, how about if i thank osama bin laden and hitler... Wooow people need education , shame on you devil u.
Ah yess, the most irritating part of the year. When we drop important historical aspects that changed the course of history and other accomplishments of one man, and bitches about his wrong doing. 500yrs dead and some bored asshole manages to dig up shit that u done in life and makes it an issue of today Its a fricken day off, Have a beer and enjoy it for what it is and lets not let history become todays issue, shit, we already have enough crap to deal with in this damn economy!!
Do your research before you post this online kid. Columbus encountered the Caribbean as well as 12 - 20 million "Indians". He did nothing for America what so ever. If anyone "founded" America it was John Smith and his crew in Jamestown. Seriously, research this stuff, don't just assume you know. It really shows your ignorance.
@ragatso666 did Columbus round people up and send them to camps? Did Columbus devote his entire life to the extermination of a race? Did Columbus Start a world war? Could Columbus have known he was bringing the Small pox epidemic? So apparently Columbus can control disease, and knew what caused it hundreds of years before germ theory? I don't see the connection you are trying to draw. Also learn to spell.
@LobsterPotsticker that's not very relevant even it it was true. the population of the world at that time was small, so 9% wouldn't be allot of people. I am not saying he is completely innocent, but he couldn't control the small pox epidemic because no one knew what caused it back then. also Hitler started a war that killed around 60 million people, Columbus did nothing like that, also if you name a percent, say what it is. you said 9% of earth, 9% of earth's what?
9% of the humans on earth only a few hundred years ago is HUGE, are you kidding me? the 500 million dead is only the initial small pox estimate. It doesn't factor in the massacres and at least 20 other diseases that also ravaged the populous
Columbus operated the sexslave trade shipping 9yrold girls off to rich European men. He cut off peoples hands, let them bleed to death, bashed babies brains on rocks, burned their queen alive
@LobsterPotsticker again even if those numbers are correct, Columbus didn't purposely bring the small pox or any disease for that matter, how could he, how could any European know what caused disease, since germ theory would not exist for hundreds of years? by the way the only estimate i found that says 500 million people died from small pox included Europeans and people today who get it. Like i said, he was not 100% innocent, but blaming him for the SPE is plain idiotic.
@LobsterPotsticker what part of your comment did i ignore. I don't bash Hitler because its "cool", if anything its cooler now the such Che's dick were I live. Its not cool its FUCKING HISTORY!!! I never said i worship him, but people act like he personally brought over the death and destruction that followed him coming there. YOU CAN"T FUCKING BLAME HIM FOR THE SMALL POX YOU DUMB ASS! Now my reason for not celebrating Columbus day is that he is simply not important to our history. Also...
@LobsterPotsticker Hitler killed people on purpose, Columbus did too, but not nearly to the extent Hitler did. as i have proved, he can't be blamed for the small pox, also i don't worship him, and i am not defending him for the most part, he was a heartless bastard, but can't be blamed for the small pox academic and is more in like with Vlad the impaler then Hitler. i know one person who has brought more misery then Columbus or Hitler, and his name was Muhammad
@LobsterPotsticker from more then a few sources, including my high school text book, it is estimated that there were less then 500,000 people in the Caribbean when Columbus arrived, even if all of them died, it was no were near as bad as 11 million and the other 60 million that died in the war. but like i said, that's no were near the amount of people who died because of Islam or Communism. If there was a genocide, blame the Spanish.
@maximunoutlaw32 well you're including all the people that died as a result of WW2 not just that the nazi's killed. america and japan's had some large genocide numbers in that war &I was referring to the holocaust specifically
But yea, if we say "as a result of" columbus wins, but hitler wins in the "intended to" kill contest.
even though his figures very up and down so much with people.. with a lot of those white nationalists saying the holocaust never happened! :pish:
@LobsterPotsticker well WW2 was started by Hitler, and yea Japan did horrible things to the Chinese. In fact Howtheworldworks has a really good video about that. If you want to hear something messed up, some kids were petitioning to have a Che Guevara day at my school, even though it still only has 2 signatures, it's still stupid to celebrate that murderer. And if you want to see some really messed up shit, watch the Islamic crusades series.
@6garbageman9 it called "lies my teacher told me". seriously before you spout out nonsenses actually look into the topic. Look into the evidence I have presented through the multiple comments.
You seem to have missed my point. If you get a holiday named after you, you should be someone we want our kids to look up to an idolize. Personally I don't like the concept that my kids will be celebrating a day named after a mass murdering rapist. If your fine with it, then thats your decision.
@6garbageman9 it called "lies my teacher told me". seriously before you spout out nonsenses actually look into the topic. Look into the evidence I have presented through the multiple comments.
You seem to have missed my point. If you get a holiday named after you, you should be someone we want our kids to look up to an idolize. Personally I don't like the concept that my kids will be celebrating a day named after a mass murdering rapist. If your fine with it, then thats your decision.
@6garbageman9 it called "lies my teacher told me". seriously before you spout out nonsenses actually look into the topic. Look into the evidence I have presented through the multiple comments.
You seem to have missed my point. If you get a holiday named after you, you should be someone we want our kids to look up to an idolize. Personally I don't like the concept that my kids will be celebrating a day named after a mass murdering rapist. If your fine with it, then thats your decision.
@6garbageman9 "lies my teacher told me" seriously before you spout out nonsenses actually look into the topic. Look into the evidence I have presented through the multiple comments.
You seem to have missed my point. If you get a holiday named after you, you should be someone we want our kids to look up to an idolize. Personally I don't like the concept that my kids will be celebrating a day named after a mass murdering rapist. If your fine with it, then thats your decision.
In addition he never made any good contributions to society. I do not count finding america (he did not discover it) as a contribution from him because he stumbled upon it due to his own idiocy.
Since he has done absolutely nothing beneficial and has committed such heinous crimes I feel he should not be a figure we look up to or celebrate by giving him a holiday.
In addition he never made any good contributions to society. I do not count finding america (he did not discover it) as a contribution from him because he stumbled upon it due to his own idiocy.
Since he has done absolutely nothing beneficial and has committed such heinous crimes I feel he should not be a figure we look up to or celebrate by giving him a holiday.
A. there were many other (more humane) explorers at the time that were en route and found america at around the same time Columbus did.
B. His crimes are absolutely horrific including mass murder slavery brutality (cutting of of hands) rape and selling of 10 year old as sex slaves and being one of the main contributors to the slave trade.
He was so bad that even in his own brutal time he was sent to jail for inhuman actions.
@TheTortugaTanker Most of my evidence comes from a book called lies my teacher told me written by a college professor that sites first hand sources with every fact he states. Most of the first hand sources are from Columbus himself of the journals kept by those who surrounded him.
@TheTortugaTanker A quote from colubus, in a letter to one of his friends "A hundred castellanoes (a Spanish coin) are as easily obtained for a woman as for a farm, and it is very general and there are plenty of dealers who go about looking for girls; those from nine to ten (years old) are now in demand."
I would highly suggest you look into the topic. I barely touched on his crimes, It is a very long list.
Provide proof of these "crimes" as opposed to the ongoing sacrifices, murders, rapes & pillaging that the Natives incurred upon one another in their disputes with each other.
tl;dr - your "crimes" list falls flat just like your argument. For your own sake, if not ours, keep your bullshit to yourself until someone wants a laugh.
@TheTortugaTanker ... did you not see my quote from christopher columbus himself, google it If you want proof of validation. I tried to put in a link to a website but due to youtubes anti advertising software I can not. Since I can not site online sources I sited a secondary source that sites multiple primary sources through out it. If you want to find some of this evidence of your own search columbus and the taino Indians. Educate yourself on the truth instead of living in your fantasy
@TheTortugaTanker as for the first part of your argument, you seem to think of the Indians as savages. Although there were cruel things that happened in the Americas before European explorers landed (mostly with the Aztec and Mayans), The list was far less then the crimes of the Europeans at the same time. Do you want me to get into the witch trials and all the other crimes simultaneously happening in Europe.
Regardless it is irrelevant to the topic of whether Columbus deserves his holiday.
If you're not progressing & getting stronger then you're stagnating, falling behind & becoming weaker. The Aztecs were actively sacrificing & cannibalizing other Native Americans. When Cortes arrived on shore, the ppl even sacrificed their babies to him thinking he was a god. The Natives were too busy infighting with each other to pay much attention to anything else. They had their chance to fight for their land & lost.
@TheTortugaTanker I hate to disappoint you, but the Europeans did not win because of advancement technology or because of tribal feuds. They won because of diseases. The death rate from diseases is estimated at around 90 percent (Google it if you doubt me) . No country could withstand an invasion from a foreign super power if they had that death rate.
I agree let bygones be bygones, remove the holiday that celebrates a mass murder slave trading rapist every year and I will be happy.
oh god! mass murder slave trading rapist?? yeah u sure know everything that took place when columbus got here huh? u must have bare-witnessed it when it all happened in 1492 and the years after huh??? and columbus never even set foot on mainland north america, he only got as far as the present day carribean islands, so take ur "this is stolen land" remarks and shove them up your ass, get with modern times and stop living in a past u didn't even exist in, makes u look like u have mental problems
@6garbageman9 I never said he set foot in america, I said he committed vast heinous crimes and as such is undeserving of his holiday. As for the events that took place they were recorded in Columbus's own journal, I even sited letters from Columbus.
Aren't you the one still living in the past celebrating a man who committed so many crimes. I say let bygones be bygones.
I apologize if you think I have mental problems because I don't want my kids growing up celebrating a man like Columbus.
@1426305384950384 you just contradicted yourself....you said "let bygones be bygones" but then say columbus was a murderer etc. in a way which it seems to bother you... if he was then so what? get over it, that was all 519 years ago....i personally don't celebrate columbus day and if you don't want to then you don't have to, i don't have the sentiments you do about him because i wasn't alive in 1492 and neither were u
@6garbageman9 I agree that we should put the past behind us, By celebrating a holiday for someone who is a mass murder, slave trading rapist I feel we are not putting the past behind but instead celebrating those very crimes. By let bygones be bygones I meant that we should put the past behind us.
as for sympathetic, I wasn't alive during the Holocaust but I am sympathetic to what happened back then. You can be sympathetic to a cause without having lived through it.
@1426305384950384 QUOTE: "I agree to let bygones be bygones, remove the holiday that celebrates a mass murder slave trading rapist every year and I will be happy."
Such a sad life that just because of one holiday, your life is so miserable? Columbus never set foot on N. America so he can't be responsible for "disease". If you don't like the holiday, don't celebrate it. The holiday is about the will to "discover", something today most people sadly lack.
@yankeegal01 I was not talking about the "disease" in reference to Columbus's crimes, only his treatment to the natives he encountered. I agree that maybe I should have said satisfied instead of happy since it implies that with out I am unhappy.
If you don't mind me asking, what makes you think that most people today lack the will to discover
@TheTortugaTanker The argument at hand is whether Columbus deserves his holiday, I personally feel he does not. A holiday should be for someone who we admire and did something good for this world. Columbus released a reign of terror and death. He even played a large part in starting and maintaining the Indian slave trade. This man brought no good to the world. He did not ever realize that he didn't hit India, It would be far more fair to give the holiday to Amerigo Vespucci then him.
The list of "crimes" you so highly tout was something that would have happened are you familiar with the Kennewick Man? The person's a Native from a tribe that was not just subjugated but completely ERADICATED! The Paiutes, allied with other Amerindian tribes waged a savage completely ethnically cleansing war against the Si - te - cah. They horded the last remaining white natives into caves & lit huge bonfires, suffocating them to death inside.
@TheTortugaTanker as for how violent the native Americans were I will read you quotes from Columbus's own journal about the native Americans he encountered.
"they are artless and generous with what they have, to such a degree as no one would believe but him who had seen it. Of anything they have, if it be asked for, they never say no, but do rather invite the person to accept it, and show as much lovingness as though they would give their hearts."
You still have yet to post some source for your continued ranting. If you want to cite sources, find a way to cite the sources since they are the evidence for YOUR case instead of telling your opponent to "look it up on google." Doing so makes your case fall flat.
BTW - the Natives were constantly at war with one another committing the same, if not worse, atrocities with each other. Nonetheless, they had 40K yrs to progress yet did not. It was just a matter of time.
@TheTortugaTanker I cited his own journal and quotes from him. How is that not good enough, If you want to double check my quotes, in the journal or letters I stated, then look up the journal or letters and read it. Its not that hard.
I dare you to post any evidence that contradicts mine, I am confident that you shall not find any reliable evidence because no factual evidence contradicting my statements exist. Why because it is the factual truth of what happened.
Your evidence is yours & needs to be cited properly if you wish to use it in any debate. To leave it to the opposition to find it is shameful & can indicate either laziness or citing bullshit on your part. Why should I make the effort to validate your claims when it is YOUR responsibility since YOU are using it to make a counter point? The answer is that such responsibility is NOT mine. Contradiction of your evidence is a waste of my time since you fail to cite. Quit posting.
@TheTortugaTanker How would you like me to properly site evidence better then I already have, I have stated quotes from Columbus journal, would you like me to specifically state which page number and line its on. I do not feel that is necessary. If I was in a formal debate (not an argument over youtube) I would have brought in printed out sheets, pages of evidence showing my data. That is not possible on youtube. If you want to have a typical formal debate do it on a forum or in person.
@TheTortugaTanker You have not given a single reason why Columbus deserves this holiday over other people like amerigo In fact you have yet to state a single reason for this holiday to exist.
Lastly If your not even willing to Google the basic history about the topic we are discussing, you come across to me as lazy. It' would be simular to coming to a debate without bothering to even research the topic or basic knowledge surrounding the topic and expect your opponents to do it for you.
Again - it sis YOUR evidence that you cite to contradict what I have posted. To DEMAND that opposition to look up YOUR evidence shows that you are lazy & are arrogant. In this ARGUMENT (since you are remain obtuse to make it a DEBATE), you refuse to post your evidence & cite the sources. I have not said that Columbus Day should be a holiday yet you INSIST on refusing to post your evidence to back up your bullshit claims.
@TheTortugaTanker you want sources, I can not site websites so I will cite other you tube post which show this option. Most are secondary sources but they often have sited primary sources in them.
/watch?v=jOfEAbNiKFM from the discovery channel.
/watch?v=Lbx3vYd5ddc
watch?v=dDBvlbscHtQ
These plus my previous quotes should supply apple evidence
Just wondering, what could I contradict, you have neglected to post any reason besides you need to cite more sources.
@DJMizconstrue Rather shove Columbus Day up your ass. Actually, considering what it represents to your "native pride" business, isn't that what we're doing anyway by celebrating his accomplishments?
So Happy Columbus Day, puto. May you receive it long and hard.
Perhaps we should not discuss whether or not Columbus was good or evil seeing as how none of us were there. History can be deluded by those who write it.
YES!! finally someone agrees!!! columbus day is celebrating a criminal!!! he killed everything from cape horn to cuba and didn't discover this so-called "New world", the Vikings, British and Russians discovered the U.S, Canada, and all other canadian territories, Ancient Mayan, and Aztec tribes discovered Mexico. All my childhood I thought Columbus was a hero, I discovered on Friday 10/8 that he was a murderer, and a thief. I'm just glad that someone agrees that this holiday is crap.
@DoomHippie, Now for the Chinese. There is no evidence suggesting that we ever had contact and even the Chinese themselves admit that considering the fact that they never even tried crossing the Pacific. Polynesian claims were debunked. First it stated out with the Chicken but the DNA was tested and it turns out we had 2 completely different species of chicken. Most of the evidence was debunked...HOWEVER the only Polynesians that might had contact were the Hawaiians since....
First, I personally don't give a damn who found it first. I am not white. But, there is evidence of pre-Clovis cultures in the New World, not just the skull, but artifacts and sites that date as older.
A Chinese map dating a decade before Columbus shows the new world. While the map has not been officially authenticated, it is possible, and likely, considering the Ming Dynasty's fleet, that they may have found it.
@DoomHippie, yes there were pre-clovis culture in the Americas but those people were still Native American. I completely agree with the Chinese part due to the fact they had the ability to cross it but there is no record of them doing so.
So the Native Americans just sprung out of the ground? The pre-Clovis dates TO the Ice Age, before the ice bridge. And the sea route from Europe at the time was much shorter then the sea route from Asia. This means that the Native Americans ancestors had a good chance of being from Europe. However, due to several thousand years of separation, the two cultures long developed and evolved apart from one another.
@DoomHippie, wrong...BIG TIME. If we to come from Europeans we would have had a different strand of European DNA...which we do NOT have. Like I told you before. DNA has been tested on pre-clovis Native American remains and show nothing but Native American and ASIAN DNA. Nothing in our DNA is remotely European. The closest strand we have to Europeans is x2a but X2a comes from X2 which is an Altaic gene and the Altaic are anything but European. Europeans have X1.
@DoomHippie, Also, Most Europeans don't even have the X1 the same way most Asians don't have X2 the same way most Native Americans don't have X2a. Native Americans also have an X6. Europeans were NEVER here before Native Americans. The ONLY reason why this claim was even made is because someone wanted to push their white supremacist racist agenda. Unfortunately, they have failed miserably and this racist claim is no longer accepted in the Science field because it's a joke.
@DoomHippie, Let's say there were whites here. Even if we were separated the whites would still have their U,T,V,X1, etc Markers...and even if we were separated for thousands of years their markers would ever branch off or mutate. If that were they case they would NOT have had any of the markers you see in Asia. Every single native American has A1, A2, B1, B2, C1, C2, D1, D2, and X2a, and ancient remains were found to have D4 and MesoAmericans were found with X6. Every single one of these...
@DoomHippie ...these markers come straight from Asia..and we are talking EVERY single remain tested for DNA from Pre-Clovis to Paleoindian, to Precolumbian Indian to Modern Natives (who have Admixture of course). the ONLY time you would ever find European DNA it would be on Places like Greenland, Newfoundland, etc because of the constant contact with the Vikings. by the way, I actually study this subject.
@DoomHippie, since the Lenca claim that they have contact with the Hawaiians though even themselves want to see the evidence before confirming it to be true. Vikings. They definitely had contact in the 10th century since there is complete evidence of them coming here. they even made it as far as Newfoundland but unfortunately never stayed. Welsh and Dutch, they never made it. They did get CORN from the Scots VIA Viking trade.
There is also evidence in Polynesian style fishhooks, Polynesian style boats, and the fact that chickens similar to Polynesian breeds were found in South America prior to Columbus.
Welsh and Dutch, as I said, have scant evidence, not enough to prove anything. I personally don't think it's true.
Finally CORN was in the new world before the Europeans arrived. It is native to the Americas. This casts a doubt that you even know what you are talking about.
@DoomHippie , Polynesian claims have been debunked...every single one of them. The DNA of the Chickens of South America and Polynesia were not the same at all. Welsh and Dutch i never heard of it but it is possible due to the Circumstances but I also agree with you on that. Most of the corn claims before European arrival is usually due to Ethnocentrism. Sorry for being an ass but I often face Eurocentrics and I assumed you were one of them LOL. I usually get fed up with BS.
And, no, I'm pretty sure that corn is originally from Central America. That's why the common word for corn, Maize, comes from a Mesoamerican language.
Also, come to think about it, you site that the skull was linked to Inuit? Didn't the Inuit develop long AFTER Clovis?
Eurocentricism is stupid. But the fact that you zealously reject anything that hints of Eurocentricism causes me pause. If you reject something just because it's "Eurocentric" isn't there a good chance that your rejecting fact for zealous insistence?
@zzedfg That's exactly the kind of retarded logic that's taught in history classes all over this country.
Nobody ever discusses history in terms of ideas. All it is is names, dates, and places.... Never any questions asked or critical thinking done about what took place. It's exactly this kind of lack of ability to think that governments feast on.
discovery or the first conquistador?? im sure the computer and refrigeration, AC current and host of other things would of found thier way into society without the americas there. just because all the people who came to america were migrants. the idea they had would simply of been created on other shores. less back patting Americans you didn't invent this stuff you just lived in the same country where it happened.
For all of those who, like myself, think there ought to be a Leif Ericson Day... Guess what? There already is. It is actually an official US Holiday, observed on October 9th.
I, myself, was unaware of its existence, but am very pleased to have found out about it. So, if you ever get into a discussion like this again, be sure to bring up the oft-neglected celebration.
I have read about other claims of pre-columbus landings. One was of a Buddhist priest that was said to have landed in mexico in 458 AD. This was supported by shared features of fusang and the correct distance in the monk's records. But ,there is not any archeological evidence to support this.
Also, a Chinese fleet is said to have hit the american west coast in 1421 because of some possible Chinese debris found in a river and some languages similarities. But this has been disputed
Actually, there's evidence that Europeans made it to the New World during the Ice Age, forming the pre-Clovis culture. After that, Asians crossed over the ice bridge post-ice age, and the two cultures merged into the Clovis culture, and Native Americans descended from that.
@DoomHippie, MY GOD! You truly are stupid. There is no evidence of Europeans being here before Native Americans and i am pretty sure you got this information from Eurocetric pages so i will just debunk you right here. First of all, the earliest native American remains tested for DNA were CROPOLITES left by the earliest inhabitants of the new world. The genetic Markers of these cropolites were A2 and B2. BOTH of which do not belong to Europeans..at all.
@DoomHippie, Second, Kennewick Man (the earliest skull found in North America) had a long Narrow Skull and was thought to be European but after they made Skull measurements it was compared to different populations and the closets populations was not from Europeans but from Eskimos. Not to mention all ancient skulls were long an Narrow to begin with, even African. This whole claim DIED in the science circles and it's no longer accepted.
@DoomHippie, I'm not gonna stop here. Nonosabasut was tested for DNA and its marker is X2a. Demasduit haplogroup is C. Penon Woman is X2a and every single Paleo Indian tested for DNA showed no European markers. To add insult to injury. People claim that X is European but there are different strands of X and to finish you off. Altaic Populations have marker X2 and do not look European at all and are more genetically similar to the Ancient remains. Eurocentism is a fail.
I think is good to be remamber that Colombus is been the first european white men who descover the native indians peaople and them land 'america'. People they already live in america, so is olredy descoverd lol. To celebrate? i dont think so.
The land he invaded had inferior weaponry and no real chance to fight back. He killed or enslaved 5,000,000 in his first three years on one island. So he take it over .....like the muslims is gona take over america, i hope not, that will aint be good
NO! I don't celebrate murdering rapist genocidal psychopaths. By the way, how do you "discover" something that already belonged to someone else? If someone just walked into your home and "discovered" it could they just kick you to the curb? After they "said they discovered it regardless to the fact that you occupied it.
bigtexansfan- who did columbus murder and rape, columbus discovered the new world for the people in the rest of the world, no one is claiming he discovered it before those people who were all ready there, thats a child like argument that you know cannot hold up
that's a misconception he didn't discover it he brought it to European attention.secondly 1.5 billion people celebrate a "murdering rapist genocidal psychopath" his name is Muhammad.there is one country who celebrates another "murdering rapist genocidal psychopath" he goes by the name of Genghis khan.
It may be listed as a national holiday but it's a historical, religious and cultural holiday all rolled into one, one that most do not celebrate. And my bank was open(Bank Of America-Italian Founded), my mail came(federal government) and I had to work(city) and go to college(state). Hope you enjoyed your day off.
keakini, you must be the dumbest person I've read in years, including the typical YouTube idiots.
"Moron" is a subjective label. It will NEVER be "technically" correct, but it can follow a textbook definition following subjectivity. I doubt the leading I.Q. tests have a range for "moron".
Even an idiot such as you will accidently spew a gem if you talk long enough.
moron - a stupid person
A stupid person can state a correct fact in the wrong context.......hence they become a "moron".
This comment has received too many negative votesshow
Just because you were proven wrong, doesn't mean the definition of "moron" has changed or even been slightly twisted.
Your logic is flawed.
The commenter stated the obvious, which was correct, but moronic in the context, and had no relation to the point he was sadly attempting to make. Thus he was and is a moron.
You, with your lazy observation on his comment, along with your backpeddling into even more flawed logic, proves you are also a moron (or an idiot troll.....you make the call)
Hey what's with all the thumbs down? I didn't even mention that Columbus' crew also introduced Syphillis to Europe. Many of his crew who had raped native women, fought with with the Portuguese against the Italians. They raped Italian women ( Chris Columbo was Italian btw) and the rest is history.
Wrong. Even a broken clock is correct twice a day. A moron can be correct on a point but at the same time be foolish within the context. You can be a moron for telling your sister she is fat at her wedding (even though you are perfectly "correct").
Now YOU on the other hand, are incorrect AND a moron. See the difference? Moron.
You can choose to celebrate, mourn or detest this day. If you choose to mourn then youre a respectable person. If you choose to detest then youre understood, BUT if you choose to celebrate then youre just a jack ass. So I say those who choose to celebrate should use better words in public places...that is if you don't want to feel threatened...How about we all just acknowledge the day?
It's not about feeling guilty for living a better lifestyle...it's about not celebrating the lie you used to get you there. If you're there fine, but just leave it as that & be happy you are where you instead of celebrating the day you unethically destroyed someone to get there...there's nothing glorious about the sucker punch. It just makes you look like a punk.
I'd love to see some jackass try to personally threaten me for celebrating Columbus Day. Especially given that so many of those who hate Columbus Day - and the free and democratic country that followed from it - are themselves party to the socialist murders of indigenous peoples in a host of places, from the highlands of Vietnam to the moutains of Tibet to the jungles of the Miskito Indians.
Leftists are such hypocritical weasels. I'd love one of these cowards to threaten me to my face.
And how so exactly? Is it right and proper to mourn the fall of the Aztecs, but not the massacre of the Hmong? Is it fashionable to laud the Apaches, but turn a blind eye to the Miskito?
If, to gain approbation from my moral inferiors, I must consciously degrade my sense of ethics and become a hypocrite in a politically approved sense, I should prefer to endure derision and abuse and retain my principles. Let us say it is better to be called a dumbass than to be one, and leave it at that.
mourn...celebrate...do what you wish, it's not about how you choose to feel. It is however about how you conduct yourself in public. Being respectful for other people & their feelings is what it's all about...that is of course if we ever wish to see this land in a peaceful state. PERIOD.
columbus day is a joke based on lies and distortions. "native americans got bad treatment" i dont think being murdered to the point of extinction can be considered "bad treatment".
Discovery according to columb = i never been to your house but i come over kick in the door, throw you out, then make myself at home.
the only ones who benefited were a few European nations, while, the rest of the world was colonized or enslaved or in chinas case, poisoned by narcotics.
Please. look at china, and india, JApan, they are modern civilizations, they benefited greatly fromcontact witht he west, they would be backwards if it werent for the west. Sure bad things were done, but considering the the level of civilization, what else would you have expected? The west had the power to do, other nastions didnt because they diodnt have reason or science, but if they did I cant imagine them not acting in a more civilized way.
Firstly it is the Chinese that made gunpowder... Europeans turned it to a weapon against south Americans. 2nd, India is the country with the most poor and illiterate people on earth and it was colonized and fought for British independence. 3rd, China and Japan fought to prevent contact with Europe (Boxer rebellion) They're advanced because they fought against colonialism & won, others lost and were robbed blind or enslaved, they never saw your tecnology. They're starving & poor now as a result!
The problem with British colonialism was that they werent consistently cultural imperialist, they should have implented British and western ideals more, India woulkd have been better off now. But they are better to the extent that they have accepted western values. Japan, had an explicit policy of westernization. TO those poor out there,lets introduce them to capitalism, they wont be poor for long.
WarVideo: There are plenty of countries that have been introduced to capitalism. It doesn't mean they are gonna succeed. Capitalism has nothing to do with a form of government. It's simply an economic policy.
WraVideo: LOL. Capitalism has EVERYTHING to do with gov.? LOL. Dude the best capitalists right now is china. WE are the ones in debt. And china is a communist country. LOL. Folks...please research words, instead of choking down Fox talking points.
Communist in name only, they are actually more fascist now. But they are capitalist to the extend that they have freed their economy from controls. But you just give China the label "communism" and think they are communist, without looking if they are actually doing "communist" things.
Warvideo: Facist, communist...same difference. They are both totalitarian forms of government with basically the same policies. You think Hitler and Stalin where so different? But either way, capitalism doesn't make the government. Capitalism just means private ownership of capital. That's it. It has nothing to do with government. Most European nations are socialists, but they have rights to own capital. The gov. doesn't own their cars, houses, etc... They just get taxed to death.
It has everything to do with government. Capitalism is a social system based on the recognition of individual rights, including property rights, in which all property is privately owned. The governments only job in susch a system is ptotect individual rights, including property rights. You need the government to protect property rights, capitralism is not possible without a proper government.
Warvideo: Let me guess, next your are gonna tell me this country is a democracy too, right? Why don't you take some time to read the definition of capital, then capitalism. Capitalism can exist in ANY form of government. It's who OWNS the capital that determines the economic system. Like I just told you. European nations are socialists, yet capitalists. Hell, even anarcho states such as Somalia have capital, and people who own the capital privately. I suggest more research on your part.
The Chinese had a long history of fair trade with distant places... macro polo visited china and found great inventions like gunpowder and the printing press, the Chinese never had a history of slavery and racism as strong as whites did... partly because they did not think they were the chosen ones who had to "Christianize" the world...
"Chinese never had a history of slavery and racism as strong as whites"
"partly because they did not think they were the chosen ones who had to "Christianize" the world"
Christianity and racism are two different things,one is a collectivist notion and the other is a religious notion. And you're right Europe was a very collectivised and primitive place, they were coming out of the dark ages, what do you expect?
Also, Europe and China were in very different situations. Look where Europe is, and how its located. Africa to the south, asia and the middle east to the east. It had to intereact and fight off thousamds of groups and tribes. And also, it had the power to interact with people from places all over the world, not many civilizations could do that. The chinese on the other hand had a very different situation, they had to deal with the steppe barbarians, look up how they treated them, not very nice.
How quickly you forget, I came from poverty...I know the score. But I also know that poverty can either motivate you or destroy you...but the choice is yours. Nobody can help where they started...but your destination is entirely up to you. God blesses those who bless themselves you know. As far as your unseen man at the top goes, well you need to become your own man. If you are looking for a job to be your success you will have a long search. The American dream isn't a job, but a business.
So America has done good, but America has also done bad. If it weren't for Columbus, maybe a different country would have been founded here at some point and done even more good and less bad than America. How can you be sure?
To be fair, most countries neglect to mention the harm they caused while gaining power. They all, like Americans, find ways to take pride in the horrible deeds of their ancestors.
northa amercians should be happy, since that land was after colonized by the british(good people), but southamericans should hate that day, people from sapain came, took ald the gold, killed all cultures, killed thousands of antives, left poverty and ruin, and got away, leaving us behind with some serious social problems. F*ck columbus day
Granted, I don't necessarily agree with the notion that everyone on prescription medication is sick, but that doesn't stop the doctor from writing a prescription. Or sending a bill. Somebody's gotta pay for it, and I'd just as soon it not be me.
Sure, the Vikings found America before Columbus, but they got tired of competing with the Skraelings and left. Apparently, farmers and peasants are easier to raid than tribal hunter/gatherer societies.
Yeah, we should celebrate Gay Day so all the kids know its OK, right?
Go chase a parked car, Columbus was mean to some indians, africans were meant Euros who wrecked or stopped on the coast of Africa... Its history, literally.
Aw, I thought I would get another person to argue with. I'm not a liberal, nor have I ever had alcohol.
You completely disregard what I present and can't retort to it. It was nice hearing from someone of your stupidity come out of the woodworks to fail at an argument.
I am kind of disappointed though, do you think you could pony up and bring something new to the table?
@ziggyboi1995. Yes i wouldnt be able to typing, because i wouldn't have a fingers to type on the keyboard.. Get out of here you and your columbus ass can kiss my ass.. Trash you.. And keep on surport genocide .this is a typical evil behaviour
dulsen2011 2 days ago
ziggyboi1995. Yes i wouldnt be able to typing, because i wouldn't have a fingers to type on the keyboard.. Get out of here you and your columbus ass can kiss my ass.. Trash you
dulsen2011 2 days ago
I like Columbus.
HammerOvThor 2 weeks ago
@HowTheWorldWorks. Another devil, dude What do you mean discover america?? In America there was already people , its like me now coming to your house and kill your ass, and beng proud of it and said that i discover your hause, is than realy make sence? Thanking someone for killing and rape and slaughter kids, how about if i thank osama bin laden and hitler... Wooow people need education , shame on you devil u.
dulsen2011 1 month ago
@dulsen2011 If Columbus didn't come, you wouldn't be typing this now.
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Ah yess, the most irritating part of the year. When we drop important historical aspects that changed the course of history and other accomplishments of one man, and bitches about his wrong doing. 500yrs dead and some bored asshole manages to dig up shit that u done in life and makes it an issue of today Its a fricken day off, Have a beer and enjoy it for what it is and lets not let history become todays issue, shit, we already have enough crap to deal with in this damn economy!!
FAKENMAD 3 months ago
HELL BROKE LOOSE IN 1492....
99cacahuate 3 months ago
Do your research before you post this online kid. Columbus encountered the Caribbean as well as 12 - 20 million "Indians". He did nothing for America what so ever. If anyone "founded" America it was John Smith and his crew in Jamestown. Seriously, research this stuff, don't just assume you know. It really shows your ignorance.
jdsalomone 7 months ago
why dony you celebrate Hitler day? If not for the 2:nd world war you wouldnt have the pc, internet or space travel by now
ragatso666 8 months ago
@ragatso666 that's so stupid.. lol
jackskarsgardsgirl 8 months ago
@ragatso666 did Columbus round people up and send them to camps? Did Columbus devote his entire life to the extermination of a race? Did Columbus Start a world war? Could Columbus have known he was bringing the Small pox epidemic? So apparently Columbus can control disease, and knew what caused it hundreds of years before germ theory? I don't see the connection you are trying to draw. Also learn to spell.
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Yes, he did round up natives and tortured them under his command, cut their hands of. He even burned them alive =)
Maby not the small pox thing but he was brutal.
ragatso666 4 months ago
@maximunoutlaw32 Columbus brought the death of 9% of Earth
Hitler couldn't dream of it..
LobsterPotsticker 4 months ago
@LobsterPotsticker that's not very relevant even it it was true. the population of the world at that time was small, so 9% wouldn't be allot of people. I am not saying he is completely innocent, but he couldn't control the small pox epidemic because no one knew what caused it back then. also Hitler started a war that killed around 60 million people, Columbus did nothing like that, also if you name a percent, say what it is. you said 9% of earth, 9% of earth's what?
maximunoutlaw32 4 months ago
@maximunoutlaw32 It's reliant.. and true.
9% of the humans on earth only a few hundred years ago is HUGE, are you kidding me? the 500 million dead is only the initial small pox estimate. It doesn't factor in the massacres and at least 20 other diseases that also ravaged the populous
Columbus operated the sexslave trade shipping 9yrold girls off to rich European men. He cut off peoples hands, let them bleed to death, bashed babies brains on rocks, burned their queen alive
Research the Taínos
LobsterPotsticker 4 months ago
@LobsterPotsticker again even if those numbers are correct, Columbus didn't purposely bring the small pox or any disease for that matter, how could he, how could any European know what caused disease, since germ theory would not exist for hundreds of years? by the way the only estimate i found that says 500 million people died from small pox included Europeans and people today who get it. Like i said, he was not 100% innocent, but blaming him for the SPE is plain idiotic.
maximunoutlaw32 4 months ago
@maximunoutlaw32 nice ignoring the rest of my comment..
Typical tribalism scumbag.u call Hitler a baddie because it's"cool"&"hip"
Yet worship 1 who led 2 more suffering then almost everyone else in existence
&killed people w/ his bare hands, which Hitler never did btw! Even evil Spain arrested him for being a murdering lunatic sent him home in chains
+he believed he was fking up India until the day he DIED, so all arguments who say he "discovered" a continent that ALREADY had roads & maps =M00t!
LobsterPotsticker 4 months ago
@LobsterPotsticker what part of your comment did i ignore. I don't bash Hitler because its "cool", if anything its cooler now the such Che's dick were I live. Its not cool its FUCKING HISTORY!!! I never said i worship him, but people act like he personally brought over the death and destruction that followed him coming there. YOU CAN"T FUCKING BLAME HIM FOR THE SMALL POX YOU DUMB ASS! Now my reason for not celebrating Columbus day is that he is simply not important to our history. Also...
maximunoutlaw32 4 months ago
@LobsterPotsticker Hitler killed people on purpose, Columbus did too, but not nearly to the extent Hitler did. as i have proved, he can't be blamed for the small pox, also i don't worship him, and i am not defending him for the most part, he was a heartless bastard, but can't be blamed for the small pox academic and is more in like with Vlad the impaler then Hitler. i know one person who has brought more misery then Columbus or Hitler, and his name was Muhammad
maximunoutlaw32 4 months ago
@maximunoutlaw32 He can be blamed for the carribean genocide though
Which is about as much as the holocaust..
LobsterPotsticker 4 months ago
@LobsterPotsticker from more then a few sources, including my high school text book, it is estimated that there were less then 500,000 people in the Caribbean when Columbus arrived, even if all of them died, it was no were near as bad as 11 million and the other 60 million that died in the war. but like i said, that's no were near the amount of people who died because of Islam or Communism. If there was a genocide, blame the Spanish.
maximunoutlaw32 4 months ago
@maximunoutlaw32 well you're including all the people that died as a result of WW2 not just that the nazi's killed. america and japan's had some large genocide numbers in that war &I was referring to the holocaust specifically
But yea, if we say "as a result of" columbus wins, but hitler wins in the "intended to" kill contest.
even though his figures very up and down so much with people.. with a lot of those white nationalists saying the holocaust never happened! :pish:
LobsterPotsticker 3 months ago
@LobsterPotsticker well WW2 was started by Hitler, and yea Japan did horrible things to the Chinese. In fact Howtheworldworks has a really good video about that. If you want to hear something messed up, some kids were petitioning to have a Che Guevara day at my school, even though it still only has 2 signatures, it's still stupid to celebrate that murderer. And if you want to see some really messed up shit, watch the Islamic crusades series.
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REWHBLCAIN 9 months ago
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@6garbageman9 it called "lies my teacher told me". seriously before you spout out nonsenses actually look into the topic. Look into the evidence I have presented through the multiple comments.
You seem to have missed my point. If you get a holiday named after you, you should be someone we want our kids to look up to an idolize. Personally I don't like the concept that my kids will be celebrating a day named after a mass murdering rapist. If your fine with it, then thats your decision.
1426305384950384 9 months ago
@6garbageman9 it called "lies my teacher told me". seriously before you spout out nonsenses actually look into the topic. Look into the evidence I have presented through the multiple comments.
You seem to have missed my point. If you get a holiday named after you, you should be someone we want our kids to look up to an idolize. Personally I don't like the concept that my kids will be celebrating a day named after a mass murdering rapist. If your fine with it, then thats your decision.
1426305384950384 9 months ago
@6garbageman9 it called "lies my teacher told me". seriously before you spout out nonsenses actually look into the topic. Look into the evidence I have presented through the multiple comments.
You seem to have missed my point. If you get a holiday named after you, you should be someone we want our kids to look up to an idolize. Personally I don't like the concept that my kids will be celebrating a day named after a mass murdering rapist. If your fine with it, then thats your decision.
1426305384950384 9 months ago
@6garbageman9 "lies my teacher told me" seriously before you spout out nonsenses actually look into the topic. Look into the evidence I have presented through the multiple comments.
You seem to have missed my point. If you get a holiday named after you, you should be someone we want our kids to look up to an idolize. Personally I don't like the concept that my kids will be celebrating a day named after a mass murdering rapist. If your fine with it, then thats your decision.
1426305384950384 9 months ago
Chris never stepped foot on N. American soil..as for American Ind..Asian and European.
zookeeper220 9 months ago
So the only argument you have for the Vikings finding America fisrt is "so wht". Wow. You should join debate club. You're very convincing
pseudohippie55 9 months ago
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In addition he never made any good contributions to society. I do not count finding america (he did not discover it) as a contribution from him because he stumbled upon it due to his own idiocy.
Since he has done absolutely nothing beneficial and has committed such heinous crimes I feel he should not be a figure we look up to or celebrate by giving him a holiday.
1426305384950384 10 months ago
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In addition he never made any good contributions to society. I do not count finding america (he did not discover it) as a contribution from him because he stumbled upon it due to his own idiocy.
Since he has done absolutely nothing beneficial and has committed such heinous crimes I feel he should not be a figure we look up to or celebrate by giving him a holiday.
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1426305384950384 10 months ago
A. there were many other (more humane) explorers at the time that were en route and found america at around the same time Columbus did.
B. His crimes are absolutely horrific including mass murder slavery brutality (cutting of of hands) rape and selling of 10 year old as sex slaves and being one of the main contributors to the slave trade.
He was so bad that even in his own brutal time he was sent to jail for inhuman actions.
He is not a figure who should be celebrated.
1426305384950384 10 months ago
@1426305384950384
Please provide proof of these atrocities since it sounds like you're going off half-cocked.
TheTortugaTanker 9 months ago
@TheTortugaTanker Most of my evidence comes from a book called lies my teacher told me written by a college professor that sites first hand sources with every fact he states. Most of the first hand sources are from Columbus himself of the journals kept by those who surrounded him.
1426305384950384 9 months ago
@1426305384950384
Cite evidence instead of attempting to bullshit from some liberal professor.
TheTortugaTanker 9 months ago
@TheTortugaTanker A quote from colubus, in a letter to one of his friends "A hundred castellanoes (a Spanish coin) are as easily obtained for a woman as for a farm, and it is very general and there are plenty of dealers who go about looking for girls; those from nine to ten (years old) are now in demand."
I would highly suggest you look into the topic. I barely touched on his crimes, It is a very long list.
1426305384950384 9 months ago
@1426305384950384
Provide proof of these "crimes" as opposed to the ongoing sacrifices, murders, rapes & pillaging that the Natives incurred upon one another in their disputes with each other.
tl;dr - your "crimes" list falls flat just like your argument. For your own sake, if not ours, keep your bullshit to yourself until someone wants a laugh.
TheTortugaTanker 9 months ago
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1426305384950384 9 months ago
@TheTortugaTanker ... did you not see my quote from christopher columbus himself, google it If you want proof of validation. I tried to put in a link to a website but due to youtubes anti advertising software I can not. Since I can not site online sources I sited a secondary source that sites multiple primary sources through out it. If you want to find some of this evidence of your own search columbus and the taino Indians. Educate yourself on the truth instead of living in your fantasy
1426305384950384 9 months ago
@TheTortugaTanker as for the first part of your argument, you seem to think of the Indians as savages. Although there were cruel things that happened in the Americas before European explorers landed (mostly with the Aztec and Mayans), The list was far less then the crimes of the Europeans at the same time. Do you want me to get into the witch trials and all the other crimes simultaneously happening in Europe.
Regardless it is irrelevant to the topic of whether Columbus deserves his holiday.
1426305384950384 9 months ago
@1426305384950384
If you're not progressing & getting stronger then you're stagnating, falling behind & becoming weaker. The Aztecs were actively sacrificing & cannibalizing other Native Americans. When Cortes arrived on shore, the ppl even sacrificed their babies to him thinking he was a god. The Natives were too busy infighting with each other to pay much attention to anything else. They had their chance to fight for their land & lost.
Get over it & move on, kid, instead of crying.
TheTortugaTanker 9 months ago
@TheTortugaTanker I hate to disappoint you, but the Europeans did not win because of advancement technology or because of tribal feuds. They won because of diseases. The death rate from diseases is estimated at around 90 percent (Google it if you doubt me) . No country could withstand an invasion from a foreign super power if they had that death rate.
I agree let bygones be bygones, remove the holiday that celebrates a mass murder slave trading rapist every year and I will be happy.
1426305384950384 9 months ago
oh god! mass murder slave trading rapist?? yeah u sure know everything that took place when columbus got here huh? u must have bare-witnessed it when it all happened in 1492 and the years after huh??? and columbus never even set foot on mainland north america, he only got as far as the present day carribean islands, so take ur "this is stolen land" remarks and shove them up your ass, get with modern times and stop living in a past u didn't even exist in, makes u look like u have mental problems
6garbageman9 9 months ago
@6garbageman9 I never said he set foot in america, I said he committed vast heinous crimes and as such is undeserving of his holiday. As for the events that took place they were recorded in Columbus's own journal, I even sited letters from Columbus.
Aren't you the one still living in the past celebrating a man who committed so many crimes. I say let bygones be bygones.
I apologize if you think I have mental problems because I don't want my kids growing up celebrating a man like Columbus.
1426305384950384 9 months ago
@1426305384950384 you just contradicted yourself....you said "let bygones be bygones" but then say columbus was a murderer etc. in a way which it seems to bother you... if he was then so what? get over it, that was all 519 years ago....i personally don't celebrate columbus day and if you don't want to then you don't have to, i don't have the sentiments you do about him because i wasn't alive in 1492 and neither were u
6garbageman9 9 months ago
@6garbageman9 I agree that we should put the past behind us, By celebrating a holiday for someone who is a mass murder, slave trading rapist I feel we are not putting the past behind but instead celebrating those very crimes. By let bygones be bygones I meant that we should put the past behind us.
as for sympathetic, I wasn't alive during the Holocaust but I am sympathetic to what happened back then. You can be sympathetic to a cause without having lived through it.
1426305384950384 9 months ago
@1426305384950384 QUOTE: "I agree to let bygones be bygones, remove the holiday that celebrates a mass murder slave trading rapist every year and I will be happy."
Such a sad life that just because of one holiday, your life is so miserable? Columbus never set foot on N. America so he can't be responsible for "disease". If you don't like the holiday, don't celebrate it. The holiday is about the will to "discover", something today most people sadly lack.
yankeegal01 9 months ago
@yankeegal01 I was not talking about the "disease" in reference to Columbus's crimes, only his treatment to the natives he encountered. I agree that maybe I should have said satisfied instead of happy since it implies that with out I am unhappy.
If you don't mind me asking, what makes you think that most people today lack the will to discover
1426305384950384 9 months ago
@TheTortugaTanker The argument at hand is whether Columbus deserves his holiday, I personally feel he does not. A holiday should be for someone who we admire and did something good for this world. Columbus released a reign of terror and death. He even played a large part in starting and maintaining the Indian slave trade. This man brought no good to the world. He did not ever realize that he didn't hit India, It would be far more fair to give the holiday to Amerigo Vespucci then him.
1426305384950384 9 months ago
@1426305384950384
The list of "crimes" you so highly tout was something that would have happened are you familiar with the Kennewick Man? The person's a Native from a tribe that was not just subjugated but completely ERADICATED! The Paiutes, allied with other Amerindian tribes waged a savage completely ethnically cleansing war against the Si - te - cah. They horded the last remaining white natives into caves & lit huge bonfires, suffocating them to death inside.
TheTortugaTanker 9 months ago
@TheTortugaTanker as for how violent the native Americans were I will read you quotes from Columbus's own journal about the native Americans he encountered.
"they are artless and generous with what they have, to such a degree as no one would believe but him who had seen it. Of anything they have, if it be asked for, they never say no, but do rather invite the person to accept it, and show as much lovingness as though they would give their hearts."
1426305384950384 9 months ago
@1426305384950384
You still have yet to post some source for your continued ranting. If you want to cite sources, find a way to cite the sources since they are the evidence for YOUR case instead of telling your opponent to "look it up on google." Doing so makes your case fall flat.
BTW - the Natives were constantly at war with one another committing the same, if not worse, atrocities with each other. Nonetheless, they had 40K yrs to progress yet did not. It was just a matter of time.
TheTortugaTanker 9 months ago
@TheTortugaTanker I cited his own journal and quotes from him. How is that not good enough, If you want to double check my quotes, in the journal or letters I stated, then look up the journal or letters and read it. Its not that hard.
I dare you to post any evidence that contradicts mine, I am confident that you shall not find any reliable evidence because no factual evidence contradicting my statements exist. Why because it is the factual truth of what happened.
1426305384950384 9 months ago
@1426305384950384
Your evidence is yours & needs to be cited properly if you wish to use it in any debate. To leave it to the opposition to find it is shameful & can indicate either laziness or citing bullshit on your part. Why should I make the effort to validate your claims when it is YOUR responsibility since YOU are using it to make a counter point? The answer is that such responsibility is NOT mine. Contradiction of your evidence is a waste of my time since you fail to cite. Quit posting.
TheTortugaTanker 9 months ago
@TheTortugaTanker How would you like me to properly site evidence better then I already have, I have stated quotes from Columbus journal, would you like me to specifically state which page number and line its on. I do not feel that is necessary. If I was in a formal debate (not an argument over youtube) I would have brought in printed out sheets, pages of evidence showing my data. That is not possible on youtube. If you want to have a typical formal debate do it on a forum or in person.
1426305384950384 9 months ago
@1426305384950384
Hypocritical much?
TheTortugaTanker 9 months ago
@TheTortugaTanker how??
1426305384950384 9 months ago
@TheTortugaTanker You have not given a single reason why Columbus deserves this holiday over other people like amerigo In fact you have yet to state a single reason for this holiday to exist.
Lastly If your not even willing to Google the basic history about the topic we are discussing, you come across to me as lazy. It' would be simular to coming to a debate without bothering to even research the topic or basic knowledge surrounding the topic and expect your opponents to do it for you.
1426305384950384 9 months ago
@1426305384950384
Again - it sis YOUR evidence that you cite to contradict what I have posted. To DEMAND that opposition to look up YOUR evidence shows that you are lazy & are arrogant. In this ARGUMENT (since you are remain obtuse to make it a DEBATE), you refuse to post your evidence & cite the sources. I have not said that Columbus Day should be a holiday yet you INSIST on refusing to post your evidence to back up your bullshit claims.
For your own sake, quit posting.
TheTortugaTanker 9 months ago
@TheTortugaTanker you want sources, I can not site websites so I will cite other you tube post which show this option. Most are secondary sources but they often have sited primary sources in them.
/watch?v=jOfEAbNiKFM from the discovery channel.
/watch?v=Lbx3vYd5ddc
watch?v=dDBvlbscHtQ
These plus my previous quotes should supply apple evidence
Just wondering, what could I contradict, you have neglected to post any reason besides you need to cite more sources.
1426305384950384 9 months ago
I made a mistake in my previous comment when I stated
"/watch?v=jOfEAbNiKFM from the discovery channel"
it aired on the history channel not discovery. I apologize.
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1426305384950384 10 months ago
Actually it was the Eskimos that discovered America.
DrCruel 10 months ago
@DrCruel
What do you call a lesbian eskimo?
A klondyke
TheTortugaTanker 9 months ago
@TheTortugaTanker Why do eskimos follow European explorers across the tundra?
Bet you can't guess why.
DrCruel 9 months ago
Fuck you faggot you can shove columbus day up your ass bitch....it's about that NATIVE PRIDE bitch
DJMizconstrue 10 months ago
@DJMizconstrue Rather shove Columbus Day up your ass. Actually, considering what it represents to your "native pride" business, isn't that what we're doing anyway by celebrating his accomplishments?
So Happy Columbus Day, puto. May you receive it long and hard.
DrCruel 10 months ago
Thanks for the logical explanation of Columbus.There is so much hate towards him and free Americans in general
toolman472 11 months ago
Perhaps we should not discuss whether or not Columbus was good or evil seeing as how none of us were there. History can be deluded by those who write it.
emantabrizi 1 year ago
@emantabrizi actually colombus wrote down all of his atrocities in journals, so we actually DO know. lol
LobsterPotsticker 1 year ago
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YES!! finally someone agrees!!! columbus day is celebrating a criminal!!! he killed everything from cape horn to cuba and didn't discover this so-called "New world", the Vikings, British and Russians discovered the U.S, Canada, and all other canadian territories, Ancient Mayan, and Aztec tribes discovered Mexico. All my childhood I thought Columbus was a hero, I discovered on Friday 10/8 that he was a murderer, and a thief. I'm just glad that someone agrees that this holiday is crap.
Hedukfan23 1 year ago
wow this guy is a joke. haha. what an idiot.
redlaker34 1 year ago
Typical libertarian, freedom for the middle-class white man but no-one else.
YourTubeSpellChecker 1 year ago
columbus lead to the death of 10% of the world's population and the genocide of 500 civilizations..
LobsterPotsticker 1 year ago
@LobsterPotsticker That's 'cause he had tiger blood. Winning.
DrCruel 10 months ago
Columbus discovered America????
Columbus discovered America when there were Millions of people living in the continent :D
Wonder who was the first coloured person who discovered Europe :P
pingajay1 1 year ago
@pingajay1
Columbus wasn't even the first non-Native American here.
The Vikings, Chinese, and Polynesians made it, as well as small amounts of evidence that the Welsh and Dutch may have made it.
DoomHippie 1 year ago
@DoomHippie, Now for the Chinese. There is no evidence suggesting that we ever had contact and even the Chinese themselves admit that considering the fact that they never even tried crossing the Pacific. Polynesian claims were debunked. First it stated out with the Chicken but the DNA was tested and it turns out we had 2 completely different species of chicken. Most of the evidence was debunked...HOWEVER the only Polynesians that might had contact were the Hawaiians since....
NeCacaluXuxultic 1 year ago
@NeCacaluXuxultic
First, I personally don't give a damn who found it first. I am not white. But, there is evidence of pre-Clovis cultures in the New World, not just the skull, but artifacts and sites that date as older.
A Chinese map dating a decade before Columbus shows the new world. While the map has not been officially authenticated, it is possible, and likely, considering the Ming Dynasty's fleet, that they may have found it.
DoomHippie 1 year ago
@DoomHippie, yes there were pre-clovis culture in the Americas but those people were still Native American. I completely agree with the Chinese part due to the fact they had the ability to cross it but there is no record of them doing so.
NeCacaluXuxultic 1 year ago
@NeCacaluXuxultic
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So the Native Americans just sprung out of the ground? The pre-Clovis dates TO the Ice Age, before the ice bridge. And the sea route from Europe at the time was much shorter then the sea route from Asia. This means that the Native Americans ancestors had a good chance of being from Europe. However, due to several thousand years of separation, the two cultures long developed and evolved apart from one another.
DoomHippie 1 year ago
@DoomHippie, wrong...BIG TIME. If we to come from Europeans we would have had a different strand of European DNA...which we do NOT have. Like I told you before. DNA has been tested on pre-clovis Native American remains and show nothing but Native American and ASIAN DNA. Nothing in our DNA is remotely European. The closest strand we have to Europeans is x2a but X2a comes from X2 which is an Altaic gene and the Altaic are anything but European. Europeans have X1.
NeCacaluXuxultic 1 year ago 2
@DoomHippie, Also, Most Europeans don't even have the X1 the same way most Asians don't have X2 the same way most Native Americans don't have X2a. Native Americans also have an X6. Europeans were NEVER here before Native Americans. The ONLY reason why this claim was even made is because someone wanted to push their white supremacist racist agenda. Unfortunately, they have failed miserably and this racist claim is no longer accepted in the Science field because it's a joke.
NeCacaluXuxultic 1 year ago
@DoomHippie, Let's say there were whites here. Even if we were separated the whites would still have their U,T,V,X1, etc Markers...and even if we were separated for thousands of years their markers would ever branch off or mutate. If that were they case they would NOT have had any of the markers you see in Asia. Every single native American has A1, A2, B1, B2, C1, C2, D1, D2, and X2a, and ancient remains were found to have D4 and MesoAmericans were found with X6. Every single one of these...
NeCacaluXuxultic 1 year ago
@DoomHippie ...these markers come straight from Asia..and we are talking EVERY single remain tested for DNA from Pre-Clovis to Paleoindian, to Precolumbian Indian to Modern Natives (who have Admixture of course). the ONLY time you would ever find European DNA it would be on Places like Greenland, Newfoundland, etc because of the constant contact with the Vikings. by the way, I actually study this subject.
NeCacaluXuxultic 1 year ago
@DoomHippie, since the Lenca claim that they have contact with the Hawaiians though even themselves want to see the evidence before confirming it to be true. Vikings. They definitely had contact in the 10th century since there is complete evidence of them coming here. they even made it as far as Newfoundland but unfortunately never stayed. Welsh and Dutch, they never made it. They did get CORN from the Scots VIA Viking trade.
NeCacaluXuxultic 1 year ago
@NeCacaluXuxultic
There is also evidence in Polynesian style fishhooks, Polynesian style boats, and the fact that chickens similar to Polynesian breeds were found in South America prior to Columbus.
Welsh and Dutch, as I said, have scant evidence, not enough to prove anything. I personally don't think it's true.
Finally CORN was in the new world before the Europeans arrived. It is native to the Americas. This casts a doubt that you even know what you are talking about.
DoomHippie 1 year ago
@DoomHippie , Polynesian claims have been debunked...every single one of them. The DNA of the Chickens of South America and Polynesia were not the same at all. Welsh and Dutch i never heard of it but it is possible due to the Circumstances but I also agree with you on that. Most of the corn claims before European arrival is usually due to Ethnocentrism. Sorry for being an ass but I often face Eurocentrics and I assumed you were one of them LOL. I usually get fed up with BS.
NeCacaluXuxultic 1 year ago
@NeCacaluXuxultic
And, no, I'm pretty sure that corn is originally from Central America. That's why the common word for corn, Maize, comes from a Mesoamerican language.
DoomHippie 1 year ago
@DoomHippie. Nope. The word "Maiz" come from the Taino. The Aztecs, Pipil..etc called it "Elotl" which is why in Spanish we call it Elote.
NeCacaluXuxultic 1 year ago
@DoomHippie, Maize is a Taino word.. not Meso...
NeCacaluXuxultic 3 months ago
@DoomHippie so..out of the 7 claims, only 2 of them were true.., the fact the Columbus was not the first one here and the fact Vikings were here.
NeCacaluXuxultic 1 year ago
@NeCacaluXuxultic
Also, come to think about it, you site that the skull was linked to Inuit? Didn't the Inuit develop long AFTER Clovis?
Eurocentricism is stupid. But the fact that you zealously reject anything that hints of Eurocentricism causes me pause. If you reject something just because it's "Eurocentric" isn't there a good chance that your rejecting fact for zealous insistence?
DoomHippie 1 year ago
You say that there's "a lot of good and bad with Christopher Columbus??"
I guess by bad you're referring to genocide?
You then go on to say that, "a lot of great things in the world would not have happened but for Columbus."
By that logic... Hitler would've done some MARVELOUS things had we only given him the opportunity.
"Blowback" By Chalmers Johnson...... Read it.
roxtar10870 1 year ago
@roxtar10870 umm the USA would not exist if not for colombus
zzedfg 1 year ago
@zzedfg That's exactly the kind of retarded logic that's taught in history classes all over this country.
Nobody ever discusses history in terms of ideas. All it is is names, dates, and places.... Never any questions asked or critical thinking done about what took place. It's exactly this kind of lack of ability to think that governments feast on.
roxtar10870 1 year ago
discovery or the first conquistador?? im sure the computer and refrigeration, AC current and host of other things would of found thier way into society without the americas there. just because all the people who came to america were migrants. the idea they had would simply of been created on other shores. less back patting Americans you didn't invent this stuff you just lived in the same country where it happened.
rsolgtp 2 years ago
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For all of those who, like myself, think there ought to be a Leif Ericson Day... Guess what? There already is. It is actually an official US Holiday, observed on October 9th.
I, myself, was unaware of its existence, but am very pleased to have found out about it. So, if you ever get into a discussion like this again, be sure to bring up the oft-neglected celebration.
ThatChristian 2 years ago
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ThatChristian 2 years ago
Didn't Chinese monks land in the Americas before anyone else?
I read and heard that a few items were discovered to validate that claim.
matman125 2 years ago
Maybe they did but after the Ming voyages China closed itself to the World so they did not tells us about it... :-))
leostomicek 2 years ago
@matman125
I have read about other claims of pre-columbus landings. One was of a Buddhist priest that was said to have landed in mexico in 458 AD. This was supported by shared features of fusang and the correct distance in the monk's records. But ,there is not any archeological evidence to support this.
Also, a Chinese fleet is said to have hit the american west coast in 1421 because of some possible Chinese debris found in a river and some languages similarities. But this has been disputed
Jammer8x8 2 years ago
that never happened...that's retarded and stupid. We come from Asians but that's about it.
NeCacaluXuxultic 2 years ago
@NeCacaluXuxultic
Actually, there's evidence that Europeans made it to the New World during the Ice Age, forming the pre-Clovis culture. After that, Asians crossed over the ice bridge post-ice age, and the two cultures merged into the Clovis culture, and Native Americans descended from that.
DoomHippie 1 year ago
@DoomHippie, MY GOD! You truly are stupid. There is no evidence of Europeans being here before Native Americans and i am pretty sure you got this information from Eurocetric pages so i will just debunk you right here. First of all, the earliest native American remains tested for DNA were CROPOLITES left by the earliest inhabitants of the new world. The genetic Markers of these cropolites were A2 and B2. BOTH of which do not belong to Europeans..at all.
NeCacaluXuxultic 1 year ago
@DoomHippie, Second, Kennewick Man (the earliest skull found in North America) had a long Narrow Skull and was thought to be European but after they made Skull measurements it was compared to different populations and the closets populations was not from Europeans but from Eskimos. Not to mention all ancient skulls were long an Narrow to begin with, even African. This whole claim DIED in the science circles and it's no longer accepted.
NeCacaluXuxultic 1 year ago
@DoomHippie, I'm not gonna stop here. Nonosabasut was tested for DNA and its marker is X2a. Demasduit haplogroup is C. Penon Woman is X2a and every single Paleo Indian tested for DNA showed no European markers. To add insult to injury. People claim that X is European but there are different strands of X and to finish you off. Altaic Populations have marker X2 and do not look European at all and are more genetically similar to the Ancient remains. Eurocentism is a fail.
NeCacaluXuxultic 1 year ago
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LobsterPotsticker 1 year ago
I think is good to be remamber that Colombus is been the first european white men who descover the native indians peaople and them land 'america'. People they already live in america, so is olredy descoverd lol. To celebrate? i dont think so.
The land he invaded had inferior weaponry and no real chance to fight back. He killed or enslaved 5,000,000 in his first three years on one island. So he take it over .....like the muslims is gona take over america, i hope not, that will aint be good
miss22335552 2 years ago
well the muslims took land from weak poor empires(like columbus) at the time and killed them off.wouldn't be surprised if they did it again
thunderheart226 2 years ago
I don't celebrate holidays about racist genocidal papists.
phantastickyle 2 years ago
NO! I don't celebrate murdering rapist genocidal psychopaths. By the way, how do you "discover" something that already belonged to someone else? If someone just walked into your home and "discovered" it could they just kick you to the curb? After they "said they discovered it regardless to the fact that you occupied it.
bigtexansfan 2 years ago
bigtexansfan- who did columbus murder and rape, columbus discovered the new world for the people in the rest of the world, no one is claiming he discovered it before those people who were all ready there, thats a child like argument that you know cannot hold up
ssszar 2 years ago
that's a misconception he didn't discover it he brought it to European attention.secondly 1.5 billion people celebrate a "murdering rapist genocidal psychopath" his name is Muhammad.there is one country who celebrates another "murdering rapist genocidal psychopath" he goes by the name of Genghis khan.
thunderheart226 2 years ago
Too bad it isn't a true national holiday, we Americans could use some more time off.
ApocalypticMetalHead 2 years ago
It actually is. I work at a bank and I got off.
phillipseric 2 years ago
It may be listed as a national holiday but it's a historical, religious and cultural holiday all rolled into one, one that most do not celebrate. And my bank was open(Bank Of America-Italian Founded), my mail came(federal government) and I had to work(city) and go to college(state). Hope you enjoyed your day off.
ApocalypticMetalHead 2 years ago
BTW, our posts are no longer going to the main comment page. So I assume that the channel owner is allowing no more comments.
Bye and work on your logical reasoning (or lack thereof)
antimarxism 2 years ago
keakini, you must be the dumbest person I've read in years, including the typical YouTube idiots.
"Moron" is a subjective label. It will NEVER be "technically" correct, but it can follow a textbook definition following subjectivity. I doubt the leading I.Q. tests have a range for "moron".
Even an idiot such as you will accidently spew a gem if you talk long enough.
moron - a stupid person
A stupid person can state a correct fact in the wrong context.......hence they become a "moron".
antimarxism 2 years ago
The definition of moron stands. Noone has challenged it. Most would agree that you are a textbook definition.
So sad....
Admit your failures and move on. Grow up.
antimarxism 2 years ago
This comment has received too many negative votes show
Just because you were proven wrong, doesn't mean the definition of "moron" has changed or even been slightly twisted.
Your logic is flawed.
The commenter stated the obvious, which was correct, but moronic in the context, and had no relation to the point he was sadly attempting to make. Thus he was and is a moron.
You, with your lazy observation on his comment, along with your backpeddling into even more flawed logic, proves you are also a moron (or an idiot troll.....you make the call)
antimarxism 2 years ago
Hey what's with all the thumbs down? I didn't even mention that Columbus' crew also introduced Syphillis to Europe. Many of his crew who had raped native women, fought with with the Portuguese against the Italians. They raped Italian women ( Chris Columbo was Italian btw) and the rest is history.
JizzonTheDark 2 years ago
Wrong. Even a broken clock is correct twice a day. A moron can be correct on a point but at the same time be foolish within the context. You can be a moron for telling your sister she is fat at her wedding (even though you are perfectly "correct").
Now YOU on the other hand, are incorrect AND a moron. See the difference? Moron.
antimarxism 2 years ago
You can choose to celebrate, mourn or detest this day. If you choose to mourn then youre a respectable person. If you choose to detest then youre understood, BUT if you choose to celebrate then youre just a jack ass. So I say those who choose to celebrate should use better words in public places...that is if you don't want to feel threatened...How about we all just acknowledge the day?
lewciphr 2 years ago
How about "if you choose to celebrate it, you are glad for the chain of events that led to America being what it is today"?
You know, instead of trying to make everyone feel guilty for living a better lifestyle than most of the world.
JebinZedalu 2 years ago
It's not about feeling guilty for living a better lifestyle...it's about not celebrating the lie you used to get you there. If you're there fine, but just leave it as that & be happy you are where you instead of celebrating the day you unethically destroyed someone to get there...there's nothing glorious about the sucker punch. It just makes you look like a punk.
lewciphr 2 years ago
I'd love to see some jackass try to personally threaten me for celebrating Columbus Day. Especially given that so many of those who hate Columbus Day - and the free and democratic country that followed from it - are themselves party to the socialist murders of indigenous peoples in a host of places, from the highlands of Vietnam to the moutains of Tibet to the jungles of the Miskito Indians.
Leftists are such hypocritical weasels. I'd love one of these cowards to threaten me to my face.
DrCruel 2 years ago
You are just as much of a dumbass DrCruel for the statement right there.
MitchofSmeg 2 years ago
And how so exactly? Is it right and proper to mourn the fall of the Aztecs, but not the massacre of the Hmong? Is it fashionable to laud the Apaches, but turn a blind eye to the Miskito?
If, to gain approbation from my moral inferiors, I must consciously degrade my sense of ethics and become a hypocrite in a politically approved sense, I should prefer to endure derision and abuse and retain my principles. Let us say it is better to be called a dumbass than to be one, and leave it at that.
DrCruel 2 years ago
mourn...celebrate...do what you wish, it's not about how you choose to feel. It is however about how you conduct yourself in public. Being respectful for other people & their feelings is what it's all about...that is of course if we ever wish to see this land in a peaceful state. PERIOD.
lewciphr 2 years ago
be careful what you wish for...
lewciphr 2 years ago
columbus day is a joke based on lies and distortions. "native americans got bad treatment" i dont think being murdered to the point of extinction can be considered "bad treatment".
Discovery according to columb = i never been to your house but i come over kick in the door, throw you out, then make myself at home.
oneofonex1 2 years ago
Columbus discovered The Bahamas. Not America.
He didn't even come close to America.
iamsosquid 2 years ago
the only ones who benefited were a few European nations, while, the rest of the world was colonized or enslaved or in chinas case, poisoned by narcotics.
JUDALATION 2 years ago
Please. look at china, and india, JApan, they are modern civilizations, they benefited greatly fromcontact witht he west, they would be backwards if it werent for the west. Sure bad things were done, but considering the the level of civilization, what else would you have expected? The west had the power to do, other nastions didnt because they diodnt have reason or science, but if they did I cant imagine them not acting in a more civilized way.
WarVideo 2 years ago
Firstly it is the Chinese that made gunpowder... Europeans turned it to a weapon against south Americans. 2nd, India is the country with the most poor and illiterate people on earth and it was colonized and fought for British independence. 3rd, China and Japan fought to prevent contact with Europe (Boxer rebellion) They're advanced because they fought against colonialism & won, others lost and were robbed blind or enslaved, they never saw your tecnology. They're starving & poor now as a result!
JUDALATION 2 years ago
The problem with British colonialism was that they werent consistently cultural imperialist, they should have implented British and western ideals more, India woulkd have been better off now. But they are better to the extent that they have accepted western values. Japan, had an explicit policy of westernization. TO those poor out there,lets introduce them to capitalism, they wont be poor for long.
WarVideo 2 years ago
WarVideo: There are plenty of countries that have been introduced to capitalism. It doesn't mean they are gonna succeed. Capitalism has nothing to do with a form of government. It's simply an economic policy.
Orion1232 2 years ago
Capitalism has everything to do with government. Only a government commited to protecting individual rights can lead to Capitalism.
WarVideo 2 years ago
WraVideo: LOL. Capitalism has EVERYTHING to do with gov.? LOL. Dude the best capitalists right now is china. WE are the ones in debt. And china is a communist country. LOL. Folks...please research words, instead of choking down Fox talking points.
Orion1232 2 years ago 2
Communist in name only, they are actually more fascist now. But they are capitalist to the extend that they have freed their economy from controls. But you just give China the label "communism" and think they are communist, without looking if they are actually doing "communist" things.
WarVideo 2 years ago
Warvideo: Facist, communist...same difference. They are both totalitarian forms of government with basically the same policies. You think Hitler and Stalin where so different? But either way, capitalism doesn't make the government. Capitalism just means private ownership of capital. That's it. It has nothing to do with government. Most European nations are socialists, but they have rights to own capital. The gov. doesn't own their cars, houses, etc... They just get taxed to death.
Orion1232 2 years ago
It has everything to do with government. Capitalism is a social system based on the recognition of individual rights, including property rights, in which all property is privately owned. The governments only job in susch a system is ptotect individual rights, including property rights. You need the government to protect property rights, capitralism is not possible without a proper government.
WarVideo 2 years ago
Warvideo: Let me guess, next your are gonna tell me this country is a democracy too, right? Why don't you take some time to read the definition of capital, then capitalism. Capitalism can exist in ANY form of government. It's who OWNS the capital that determines the economic system. Like I just told you. European nations are socialists, yet capitalists. Hell, even anarcho states such as Somalia have capital, and people who own the capital privately. I suggest more research on your part.
Orion1232 2 years ago
The Chinese had a long history of fair trade with distant places... macro polo visited china and found great inventions like gunpowder and the printing press, the Chinese never had a history of slavery and racism as strong as whites did... partly because they did not think they were the chosen ones who had to "Christianize" the world...
JUDALATION 2 years ago
"Chinese never had a history of slavery and racism as strong as whites"
"partly because they did not think they were the chosen ones who had to "Christianize" the world"
Christianity and racism are two different things,one is a collectivist notion and the other is a religious notion. And you're right Europe was a very collectivised and primitive place, they were coming out of the dark ages, what do you expect?
WarVideo 2 years ago
Also, Europe and China were in very different situations. Look where Europe is, and how its located. Africa to the south, asia and the middle east to the east. It had to intereact and fight off thousamds of groups and tribes. And also, it had the power to interact with people from places all over the world, not many civilizations could do that. The chinese on the other hand had a very different situation, they had to deal with the steppe barbarians, look up how they treated them, not very nice.
WarVideo 2 years ago
How quickly you forget, I came from poverty...I know the score. But I also know that poverty can either motivate you or destroy you...but the choice is yours. Nobody can help where they started...but your destination is entirely up to you. God blesses those who bless themselves you know. As far as your unseen man at the top goes, well you need to become your own man. If you are looking for a job to be your success you will have a long search. The American dream isn't a job, but a business.
gonavy505 2 years ago
So America has done good, but America has also done bad. If it weren't for Columbus, maybe a different country would have been founded here at some point and done even more good and less bad than America. How can you be sure?
ikkuj 2 years ago
Oh I love Columbus Day! I don't care what other people say about him, I think what he did was awesome!
ConservativeCollin 2 years ago
we should have a lief ericsson day, like in spongebob
windowsforvista 2 years ago
To be fair, most countries neglect to mention the harm they caused while gaining power. They all, like Americans, find ways to take pride in the horrible deeds of their ancestors.
OkieSlims 2 years ago
northa amercians should be happy, since that land was after colonized by the british(good people), but southamericans should hate that day, people from sapain came, took ald the gold, killed all cultures, killed thousands of antives, left poverty and ruin, and got away, leaving us behind with some serious social problems. F*ck columbus day
Mithicus 2 years ago
You're a nazi
RemoSC49 2 years ago
America is ours. Give it back, Leiv was there first.
sugmegpls 2 years ago
Granted, I don't necessarily agree with the notion that everyone on prescription medication is sick, but that doesn't stop the doctor from writing a prescription. Or sending a bill. Somebody's gotta pay for it, and I'd just as soon it not be me.
OneEyedJack1970 2 years ago
Sure, the Vikings found America before Columbus, but they got tired of competing with the Skraelings and left. Apparently, farmers and peasants are easier to raid than tribal hunter/gatherer societies.
OneEyedJack1970 2 years ago
HELL YEAH! Let's celebrate a man and group who slaughtered and stole from a large group of people.
Columbus brought slavery, small pox, murder, thievery and oppression to America.
I'm not thankful for that at all.
lvl100pokemans 2 years ago
Well, you should emmigrate to another country. See how well you have it there. Because I am sure there forefathers have spotless records! LOL!!!
shoutanoise 2 years ago
Let me know of a country fitting that criteria, that doesn't support an insignificant man and I'll gladly leave this one.
LOL!!!!
lvl100pokemans 2 years ago
I have no clue what you are talking about... It's a BIG world, pick one!
shoutanoise 2 years ago
My point is that there is no reason to support what he did.
Columbus slaughtered, enslaved and stole from the Natives. We shouldn't celebrate that.
lvl100pokemans 2 years ago
Yeah, we should celebrate Gay Day so all the kids know its OK, right?
Go chase a parked car, Columbus was mean to some indians, africans were meant Euros who wrecked or stopped on the coast of Africa... Its history, literally.
Jethro212 2 years ago
What does this have to do with homosexuality?
Columbus didn't bother Indians. He slaughtered, enslaved and stolve from Native Americans.
It's history, but when you celebrate it, it becomes present.
lvl100pokemans 2 years ago
As usual a libtard misses the point...
Read the post sober.
Jethro212 2 years ago
Aw, I thought I would get another person to argue with. I'm not a liberal, nor have I ever had alcohol.
You completely disregard what I present and can't retort to it. It was nice hearing from someone of your stupidity come out of the woodworks to fail at an argument.
I am kind of disappointed though, do you think you could pony up and bring something new to the table?
lvl100pokemans 2 years ago
Yep, it is a celebration of finding the Americas... Don't like it, leave, Europe would love to have you I am sure.
Jethro212 2 years ago