why so much resistance? even if the hills are not pyramids, they are still something significant and should change the history. Why people do everything to stop the change of the history, people are always resisting new findings in science, not only in this case.
if you look some maya pyramid before it was found, it looked like some ordinary hill, and was covered by plants just like these hills.
@thewurstcase Bullshit, multiple scientific studies have shown that Wikipedia is one of the most accurate encyclopedic works in existence. I'm tired of this urban myth that Wikipedia is not a credible source.
jebote srebrnica, genocid, nacjonalizam. historia se pravi piramida a ti pocinjes sa ovim glupostima seljacino jedan! odrasti vise bolan! sta je sledece, mozda siriti svoju mrznju i prenjeti na djecu svoju jel?
Osmanagic has speculated that Illyrians—ancient ancestors of today's Albanians—could have built the alleged pyramid perhaps as early as 12,000 years ago during the last ice age.
hihi we found inside the bosnian pyramide couple alphabetical letters whitch is very simiular to the ancient hungarian script writing, and he is right because we check the language we are totally different than the another people in the Balkan, midle eastern europe, europe or the whole world.
Bickering about these neurotic differences and fighting about something that is in ancient history is why people slaughter one another. Can either one of you or "your people" evolve into thoughtful ADULTS that can speak about these things without resorting to cussing and shouting like children having a spat in the gutter? You sound ridiculous. There are more important things to do with your passion and your time. Try to create something helpful rather than insulting each others culture.
I belive you ! Albanians are Plesigans / Illyrians Mekedonians = Ancient Makedonians Bosnians= Illyrian/Neolithic Croats= Illyrian Serbs= 45% Slav rest thrachian and hunnian.
so basicly only serbs are real south slav people. we other simpley was forced to take their shit when yugoslavian shit was created 1918-1992. simpley and easily. serbs= slav. none else. this is prooved.
Yes it`s thruth. But serbs are about 40% slavic today when KOSOVA is idenpendnet and Montenegro! Serbs are the only real slav people and serbs are 0% illyrians. they have 40% Slav blood, then 20% thrachian and 20% hunnians and 15% celtic and 5% hellenic. this is their DNA. So serbs are most slav then thrachian ( gipsy ) people.while Bosnia-Herzegovina and dalmatia sanjak kosova albania and montenegro and macedonia is of illyrian origin. :))))
putkodoncite ke vi ostavim da vi reznat organite albancite, putkodonkite ke im razcepim putkite ot ebane i ke gi prodadem na kitaicite za 1 evro na duzina
Macedonians,ilyrians,tracians,hellens were from same origin - Pelazgian. go open national geographic dna project and choose m173 haplogroup. We Macedonians belong to that group 30 000 years B.C the first humans that inhabited europe, just like iberians,baskians,irish, turks(anatolian) and ermenian.
btw i dont hate you albanians from albania i see on you like a brothers
could this be the tower of Babel? Gen 11 vs 2. Shinar and bosnia a too close to be a coincedence. Look for yourselfs in google earth map, read the vrs in that section in the bible, now lissten to what he said man made...?hmmm i wonder?
in 1991 john wilkes (Wilkes is the foremost LIVING authority on the Illyrians) said that bosnians are of illyrian decend. ten years after ALBANIAN accademics agreed with him: Kaplan Resuli, Fatos Lubonja, Ardian Qosi and Ardian Vebiu also other experts worlwide like: Paul, Hirt, Weigand, Tomashek, Georgiev, Pushcariu and many others. And then we got the genetic facts from Igenea, genograpic and familytreedna.
Serbian-inspired Macedonism had as its roots a creation of a non-Bulgarian way of thinking for the Slavs in the region of Macedonia - a creation of a Macedonian ethnicity that would be pro-Serb.This is evident in the way the Serbians referred to the people in Vardarska Banovina as either South Serbs or eventually simply Macedonians.
Bulgarians reffered to the Macedonians living in Pirin as bulgarians too, Greeks reffered to Macedonians living in Aegean Macedonia as greeks. That was the partiton of Macedonia in balcan wars 1913, and they forced assimilation against Macedonians.
Wake up shiptar see minority rights of Macedonians in bulgaria and greece
In 1944 Serbs introduced immediately the Serbian language and when Stalin asked Dimitrov to assign Pirin to Tito, Dimitrov said, "But they have no Macedonian consciousness," to which Stalin replied: "In 1918 we created the nation of the White Russians, accepted by everyone today."
In the Middle Ages and into the nineteenth century, the term 'Macedonian' was used entirely in reference to a geographical region. Anyone who lived within its confines, regardless of nationality could be called a Macedonian.
The Early Medieval Balkans: a critical survey from the sixth to the late twelfth century By John Van Antwerp Fine, page 36, 37
"However, in the nineteenth century the term Macedonian was used almost exclusively to refer to the geographic region; the Macedonians were usually not considered a nationality separate from the Bulgarians, Greeks, Serbs, or Albanians. The diplomatic records of the period make no clear mention of a separate Macedonian nation."
[Barbara Jelavich, History of the Balkans, vol. 2;Cambridge University Press, 1983, p.91]
The goverment and archeoligist (forgive spelling) of Bosnia came to my Uni today and I must say that they have nothing that offends people and are working hard to serve the people of the world by any way possible.
wtf is wrong with you guys? sup with that bosnian orthodox bosnian phrase? I ain't say im bosnian, but only serbian, and as long as i think that way u can say shit but im still serb. Now go fuck yourself in the butt but don't call me something that I'm not.
slavs had inhabited whole balcan thru pelaponez, they mixed with the whole population in balcan Ilyrians,Macedonians,Tracians,Hellens,Paeonians,Venetians...
they are described by Byzantium Emperor
as tall blond people - something rare to see in the balcan :)
But they were in little numbers compared to
the ancient people living in balcan.
This "Slav" claim was an old communistic propaganda influenced by Russia and Yugoslavia
According to DNA researches balcan people have 80% of ancient blood
slavs did not have contact with Illyrians or Macedonians until they made contact with Albanians. the northern Illyrian tribes, and ancient Macedonians were either pushed southwards or assimilated by the many invaders hundreds of years before slavic arrival.
there is no proof or evidence of slavic assimilation theory. there is no DNA studies that support your claims...IGENEA is not a legitimate source of scientific value.
There is a book called The Illyrians By John Wilkes
- he writes
The Albanians call themselves Shqip-tari. This name is not Indo-European in origin and contains in it the Ural-Altaic suffix ar or tar. Much like: Khaz-AR, Av-AR, Magy-AR, Bulg-AR, Hung-AR, Ta-TAR Ship-TAR. Taken together with the Shqiptar-Albanian toponyms on the territory of the former Caucasian Albania, this theory on the etymology of Shqipatr becomes more plausable. LOOOL
John Wilkes was never qualified to speak on behalf of the Illyrian(Albanian) identity or culture. John Wilkes book is sympathetic to the slavic theories and not based on solid facts. no scholars take his work serious.
nope, im not religious freak, im just saying that your primitive tribe was brought by the turks in balcans from caucassus albania, thats why you have the same names and toponyms.
Have you ever read the Holy Bible? Macedonians are mentioned 38 times, 2000 years ago St. Paul came into MACEDONIA
Macedonia is the first christian country in Europe, proof of that are the oldest Monasteries and churches in MACEDONIA
The original URAL-ALTAIC speaking Caucasian Shqiptar-Albanians were part of the AVAR KHANATE which had one of its early capitals in Caucasian Albania (hence Albanian topnyms there, the possible Ural-Altaic etymology of the suffix in the word Shqip-tar and the similarities in national costume with Caucasian peoples the non-Indo-European Georgians, in particular)
and you say that my people came in 8tn century ROFL
"The Albanians are the oldest original inhabitants of the Balkan Peninsula"
The world book: organized knowledge in story and picture" - Page 147 by Michael Vincent O'Shea, Ellsworth D. Foster, George Herbert Locke -Nonfiction - 1917
I will remind you that ANYONE living within the confines of Macedonia can be called s a Macedonian by proxy
slavs of modern Macedonia did not assimilate or even come close to the ancient Macedonians. this is a fact. you are recognised as Macedonians simply through the standards and rights of self recognition...not because scholars and Europe believes you are ancient Macedonians.
Albanians have lived in Macedonia since antiquity, you share power with the Macedonin Albanians in Macedonia today. Albanians are not going anywhere anytime soon. just look at your birth rate for Macedonia...in 100 years Macedonia will be repopulated with Albanians again as it was before in history.
This nortwestern territory was ilyrian land, i agree on that. but shit... Philip The Macedonian came to the throne and kicked the ilyrian ass and took this lands away from them :)
we were talking about Alexander ...not Phillip..but since you want to eat shit...phillip was aslo Illyrian from his Mother's side and even married another Illyrian princess. Macedonians, Illyrians and Epirotas are all the same people that spoke the same languages and derive from the PELESGIANS...not serbian or greek.
yes, even your people are called macedonian, because of the passport, but you call yourselves shiptars, we Macedonians etc etc.
The Truth is that there isnt pure country in the world. Every nation is a little mixed. But saying that "your people are the real descedants of ilyrians and that there isnt any other" LOL wake up !
many DNA researches are very good evidence about that. NOT a single nation have a pure origin.
General Parmenion had defeated the combined Illyrian and Paeonian armies
Philip ordered Alexander to begin mustering an army for a campaign in Greece. Concerned by the possibility of other Greek states intervening, Alexander made it look as if he was preparing to attack Illyria instead. During this turmoil, the Illyrians took the opportunity to invade Macedonia, but Alexander repelled the invaders
Alexander only routed a few attacks from the Illyrians. Alexander never conquered Illyria...why? because his mother was an Illyrian Princess. Illyrians even joined Alexander on his conquest all the way to India.
Philip The Macedonian made many political marries. The mother of Alex was ilyrian indeed, he was from Epirus -not greek at the time. But he had many wifes from Macedonian origin and greek origin too. He was very inteligent politician that manipulated with his neighbours
Dont forget to mention that ilyrians killed Macedonian king Perdica III in battle who was trying to occupie ilyrian territory north of macedonia.
LOL you came 2 centuries ago from north west albania and kosovo into macedonia you stupid asshole
WHERE IS YOUR CONNECTION TO CHRISTIANITY
answer !
MACEDONIANS WERE THE FIRST CHRISTIAN PEOPLE IN EUROPE 2000 years ago, old religion, folklore,music and culture that is SOOO MUCH MORE ADVANCED than the one that use you primitive muslim tribe
WE GOT OLDEST MONASTERIES, and 365 churches in OHRID. that speaks the we got continuity in our Macedonian herritage
"But of all the regions I have seen, the Arnaut seems to me the most particular. They are natives of Arnaoutlich, the ancient Macedonia, and still retain something of the courage and hardiness, though they have lost the name, of Macedonians, being the best militia in the Turkish empire, and they only check upon the janissaries."
Letters from the Right Honourable Lady Mary Wortley Montagu. 1709 to 1762. Ed. By Ernest Rhys, Everyman's Library, Essays. London.1925, p. 109.
One of the interesting facts that connect the Albanians to the Caucasus and that they are not the descendants of the Ancient Illyrians is the Turkish name for the Albanians. "Arnauti", which means "those who have not returned" in Arabic, for the Turks were aware of the their origins
In the republic of Georgia, in the Caucasus, on the terriory of the former Caucasian Albania, from where the Avar Khanate once had its capital, there is a village named: "Arnauti". This is the name by which Serbs, Greeks, Turks, Macedonians and Montenegrin Serbs refer to Albanians in their respective langauges. There is also village in Georgia named "Bushati" - which is the name of an Albanian tribe ("fis") around Lake Skadar.
regardless of what you think you know, Illyrians and Macedonians were tribes of the Pelesgians. this is something you know nothing about. your people have nothing to do with ancient Macedonians and this is a solid fact.
why did your government remove the so called "Macedonian Encyclopedia" ????
I have the first edition of the Macedonian encyclopedia and i bought from book store. You can buy it to if you like, but you are probably dumb enough to find it, not even mention to read it LOL
btw Moron is the middle name of almost every shiptar living in macedonia and kosovo.
Look at you ugly tribe shiptar, bunch of incest degenetics without culture.
yes I agree with you, you are modern Macedonian slav as recognised under the terms for self recognition. you have nothing to do with Phillip, Alexander or Emathia.
"But of all the regions I have seen, the Arnaut seems to me the most particular. They are natives of Arnaoutlich, ancient Macedonia, and still retain something of the courage and hardiness, though they have lost the name, of Macedonians, being the best militia in the Turkish empire, and they only check upon the janissaries."
Letters from the Right Honourable Lady Mary Wortley Montagu. 1709 to 1762. Ed. By Ernest Rhys, Everyman's Library, Essays. London.1925, p. 109.
fanatical "christrian" slavs or serbs such as yourself who act like religion is someones nationality is the same shit as muslim extremism around the world.
where is your ancient Macedonian language? the name you see in the bible is not part of your identity or legacy...your just trying to get a free ride like your people have always done. why dont you call yourself by the same name as the ancient Macedonians? oh thats right its because you have absolutely nothing to do with ancient Macedonians
if someone is fanatical that is your people, muslim fanaticals, because you call fro mudzahedines in 2001 to help you lol deal with it
I speak the ancient macedonian language, it is a part of the modern macedonian language. Have you heard about Kiril and Metodij you dumb shiptar? LEARN HISTORY
you hate my people, im ok with that but telling that im not macedonian and you are as a shiptar ROFL
LOOK AT YOUR CULTURE,LOOK AT YOUR CUSTOMS LOOK AT YOUR WHOLE EXISTENCE you got nothing in common with
albanians from albania are much more closer with macedonian than with your people.
WHERE IS YOUR TRACE OF CHRISTIANITY you dumb arnaut? you got NONE
Come to Ohrid you will see monasteries build in 50 AD, and culture,customs and rich Macedonian Folkore that prevail many many centuries. and compared to your culture...
hahaha
bye bye shiptar
next time educate yourself before you wish to be macedonian
and if you still want... i told you bring me your anama wife, i will make you a macedonier for u
your people are part of the modern political slavic substratum with no connections to the ancient Macedonians. your customs, your heritage, your DNA, your language is the same as serbians and bulgarians. Anyone who lives in Macedonia can call themselves as Macedonian because its just a geographical region.
Albanians in Macedonia are the true descendants to the ancient Macedonians and Illyrians who have preserved thier ancient identity among thier Illyrian brethren.
Nato and the mujahadeen did not fight in Macedonia against your slavic government. it was only the Albanian(Macedonian) guerillas who killed your soldiers and forced your generals and politicians to the negotiating table. your language that you speak is a modern language developed from serbian and bulgarian. your people arrived after 7-8 century A.D and had no contact with ancient Macedonians or Illyrians until they made contact with Albanians.
where is your trace of ancient Macedonian? what ancient traditions or cultural affinity do you have with ancient Macedonians? language? do you still celebrate the ancient tradition of the Macedonian summer and the dance of the dead and practice in iso-polyphony chanting? do your people do the famous Epirota-Emathia Pyrric sword dance? NO
this is only performed by Albanians today.
your just a political group who takes the name of the region you live from.
Hahaha...It seems that you for yourself don't know who Kiril i Metodije were! They were slavs.If they were slavs than they had no connections with antique macedonians.Open any history book and read about the period when slavs came to ballkans.U look so funny,u r not Macedonians,rather u just r wanna be macedonians.Whole world knows that todat macedonians are mixture of serbs+bulgars who are strongly supported by a orthodox church. Cmmon man,even u know the truth but u don't want to admit it.Bye.
Why do u have to curse so much? The problem of the ballkans is and remains substantially in the presence of slavs. This means that just because u are around, there are so much problems. U people through centuries showed that u are nazistic. U only think how to destroy everything. But, on the other hand, you didn't manage to destroy the first people on the Europe - Albanians. Don't you understand - we are unbreakable. Our customs and language can never vanish, therefore, why u just don't give up?
U know (If u have ever read any book) that Macedonia before is called Macedonia was called EMATHIA, which in Albanian of course means E MATHJA. If u don't believe me open the books and u will learn. Changing of the name occurs during the centuries. Kosova was called Dardania - before the slavs came.
One important thing...HOW CAN YOU BE ANCIENT MACEDONIANS WHEN THE RACE OF ANCIENT MACEDONIANS WAS NOT SLAVIS BUT RATHER THRACO-ILLYRIAN?!!!?.
why did your government remove the so called "Macedonian Encyclopedia from the public? I'll tell you why, its because the Encyclopedia was proven to be false and based off of lies which isnt recognized by even your conservative scholars within your state.
News then reached Alexander that Cleitus, King of Illyria, and King Glaukias of the Taulanti were in open revolt against Macedonian authority. Marching west into Illyria, Alexander defeated each in turn, forcing Cleitus and Glaukias to flee with their armies, leaving Alexanders northern frontier secure.
We are Proud Nation with alot of enemies just like in ancient times
Greeks,bulgarians put claims on Macedonian history and now you shiptars ROFL
According to National Geographic DNA Project we Macedonians have m173 haplogroup, that put us in the first inhabitants of European Soil around 35-000 years B.C
go ahead show a proof of your caucassus albanian origin lol
Albanians dont try to claim the modern name of Macedonia. Albanians still use the ancient word for Macedonia, which is EMATHIA. Gjergj Kastrioti was proclaimed prince of EMATHIA and used the double horned goats head on his helmet just like Pirrus and Alexander the Great.
jasmokon , serbs are not descendants of the illyrian-Albanian tribes...this is ridiculous and this is old pan slavic propaganda that has been abandoned for years.
Only Albanians are the direct living descendants to the ancient Illyrians.
here you can actually see how in fact are Muslims in Bosnia.. they are even on the video that has nothing to do with Islam set their imams to sing their pray even we are forced to listen that five times on day.. they are intrusive and forget that in bosnia live more nations and nationalities
World is trying to learn the Serbs, Croats, Slovenes, Montenegrians, old Slavs about democracy and human rights who are ages live together in peace and prosperity
All Bosnian population is ONE people: Old Slavic Serbs
Now it is:
According to the 1991 census, Bosnia and Herzegovina had a population of 4,377,033. Ethnically, 1,902,956 (43%) were Bosniak, 1,366,104 (31%) Serbs, and 760,852 (17%) Croats, with 242,682 (6%) Yugoslavs. The remaining 2% of the population - numbering 104,439 - consisted of various other ethnicities. According to 2000 data from the CIA World Factbook, Bosnia's largest ethnic groups are Bosniaks (48%), Serbs (37%) and Croats (14%)
I will go to Bosnia and I will do what ever I want, I have Muslim friends and I enjoy spending time with them. I do not hate Bosniaks or what ever they proclaim them self. But I hate assholes like you, assholes that did not put their heads out of German toilets and now talk to all of us like they are masters of the universe... You are to lame...
You are wrong, 37% of Bosnia people are Serbs and 14% of them are Croats, you know that both Serbs and Croats are Christians. If you know a bit of a Math than you can calculate that 37% and 14% is 51%.
I love when there is religious fights lmao.. buuuttt, Adem + Eve = 20 kids = 10 boys + 10 girls(which are brother + sister) = by the 3rd gen they all retarded or dead. Science + Reasoning all the way :).
@stefankostic:a kako to da smo mi prvi digli ustanak protiv osmanlija tacnije Zmaj od Bosne a tada je vas car milan ili kako se vec zvao ponudio se osmanlijama da nas napadne sa ledja,i da znas govno cetnicko da smo se i mi borili na kosovu protiv osmanlija kao i ostali balkanci tada zato ne mlati slamu
@cowboybebop:Bosnia exists since 7th cen.if u didn´t know
This would be a monumental find for all man-kind! Don't you get it - you narrow-minded ultra-nationalist dimwits!
I like Osmanagic's enthusiasm but he is unwittingly ruining hisown project. Loose the hat and just show the evidence. Let the experts speak - and there are experts, even eminent ones, favourable to this theory. The sattelite imagery, the evidence of faster change of temp., the sediments, the underground complex, the botanic evidence, the geologic evidence.
I'm an open-minded historian. This is a really interesting theory. Unfortunately d find is in these parts of d world - Balkans. I say unfortunately because these parts are filled with morons that can't wait 2 re-tell their propaganda-histories & claim somethin 4 their impoverished egos.
1) If these are pyramids - they were not built by Illiric tribes - that's for sure!
2) They were not built by 'ancient Bosnians' - Bosnia didn't even exist until about d 9th cent.
Semir Osmanagic isn't archaeologist but metalworker, therefore all that idea about bosnian pyramids remains not even a theory but pure pseudoscience fiction as shown in the movies about Indiana Johnes,..
stefan halt deine verfickte fresse....sta se pravis neki pametan covjek a glup si ko moj kurac.....ti bi da nas nema,,, da smo nastali svi od vas jel?? picka ti materina fasisticka
Za tebe bummsmeister pošto verovatno ne govoriš engleski mogu reći isto i na srpskom: Popni se i ti na tavan, kada više ne budeš bio gastarbaiter, i potraži ikonu, tu je negde leži prašnjava i čeka te. Nisi pao sa marsa u Bosnu! Bosna je nekad bila Pravoslavna Hrišćanska zemlja. I ne mrzim ja Muslimane niti niti sam nacista, samo verujem u jedinu razumnu priču.
Bosnia is the oldest country on this region.The pyramid proves it and a lot of other things too.First bosnians were bogomils,and they converted to Islam when Turks came.Bosnia was conquered for 1000 times,but we still have the bosnian spirit.Serbs and croats can speak what ever they want,but they have to know that world knows the truth already.Bosnia is peaceful country,but we will defend and win our enemy 100%.
You must see who you are, and that you have more in common with Russians than with Arabians (even the Turks are not Arabians)! You should educate your self before you start talking this nonsense, because of people like you there was a war. Your history starts a lot before Turks...
man most of these people cant spell because its not becoz ok fucking damn it and yes there are pyramids and they are not albanian so just be happy we got something that is good for our country damn enjoy it like I do fuck yeah we got pyramids.
the only reasonthose archeoligists say its jst a mountain is because they dont want us to dig any further and find corpses ect coz then bosnia would be an even bigger tourist attraction than it is and im not just targeting a specific countries archeoligists.
coz lets face it every country has tourists and dont want to lose them to a small country like bosnia
If you find some pyramid, I would like to come first and see, spend some money, and make some photos with local people... But sad thing, is that even if there is some building there (those bricks are hand made), it is probably only some old house or farm from time of Turk invasion to Europe. Bozzniac is right... nothing to say more...
this all is fake, thers no such things as pyramids in Bosnia, especialy not pyramidys that are made by bosnians. i am bosnian, pyramid in Visoko would make me happy becouze it will boost our economy up a lil, but i mean cmon ppl, this shit is fake, its a peace of dirt over some rocks.
this guy is stupid for saying that rocks are man made becouse its really easy to c that shit is naturaly curved and naturaly there
but then again how can you be sure ? those rocks seem very symmetric and man made.Unless we keep digging in search of more evidences I say we cannot come to any conclusion.
All can I say about " Visoko's pyramids" is something it's inside that mountain.
Allahu Akbar its time for the truth of course they have to be Pelasgian Illyrian other word Albanian or Shqiptar bosnians know that I dont know why you making such a big deal out of it its not like this guy is trying to take away our history hes trying to prove that Its the Illyrians who built them
why so much resistance? even if the hills are not pyramids, they are still something significant and should change the history. Why people do everything to stop the change of the history, people are always resisting new findings in science, not only in this case.
if you look some maya pyramid before it was found, it looked like some ordinary hill, and was covered by plants just like these hills.
Jamppaesa 3 months ago
the bosnian pyramids are natural formations, look it up on wikipedia, there are enough links there to prove this. CASE CLOSED
dumbnetworks 9 months ago
@dumbnetworks
"look it up on wikipedia" is the worst thing you can do, unless you are the last one to believe that wikipedia = truth ? ;-)
thewurstcase 7 months ago
@thewurstcase there are enough links there to have an idea, more than in this video anyway,
dumbnetworks 7 months ago
@thewurstcase Bullshit, multiple scientific studies have shown that Wikipedia is one of the most accurate encyclopedic works in existence. I'm tired of this urban myth that Wikipedia is not a credible source.
Gilberreke 7 months ago 2
can someone translate number one comment?
sethzky77 9 months ago
di god kreneš gledat o ovim piramidama jebeni nacionalisti na svakom koraku,ajde kupite si metar jeftinog konopa i objesite se!
solinjar 1 year ago 2
11,Juli 1995, GENOCID u SREBRENICI.Necemo zaboraviti, a Boga mi ni oprostiti.NIKAD.
Rasne92 1 year ago
@Rasne92
jebote srebrnica, genocid, nacjonalizam. historia se pravi piramida a ti pocinjes sa ovim glupostima seljacino jedan! odrasti vise bolan! sta je sledece, mozda siriti svoju mrznju i prenjeti na djecu svoju jel?
sismis1 1 year ago 5
bosnians - albanians - macedonias - epirotes
! ILLYRIAN
BlizzardRoach 1 year ago
@IlluminationEye No, im not dead. Im fuckin your sister now.
UberMaKedoN 1 year ago
@IlluminationEye No, im not. Im fuckin your sister now.
UberMaKedoN 1 year ago
a nice way to create a tourism industry
how long will it last
happysplinters 1 year ago
@happysplinters Well said. Glad somebody else can see through it.
proteoid 1 year ago
Osmanagic has speculated that Illyrians—ancient ancestors of today's Albanians—could have built the alleged pyramid perhaps as early as 12,000 years ago during the last ice age.
coolsofunky 1 year ago
hihi we found inside the bosnian pyramide couple alphabetical letters whitch is very simiular to the ancient hungarian script writing, and he is right because we check the language we are totally different than the another people in the Balkan, midle eastern europe, europe or the whole world.
belabazdmeg 1 year ago
Bickering about these neurotic differences and fighting about something that is in ancient history is why people slaughter one another. Can either one of you or "your people" evolve into thoughtful ADULTS that can speak about these things without resorting to cussing and shouting like children having a spat in the gutter? You sound ridiculous. There are more important things to do with your passion and your time. Try to create something helpful rather than insulting each others culture.
kiminbushwick 1 year ago
@ Ubermakedon
go to wikipedia and type bucharest and u will see that Albanian antiquity is all around you.
BUKUREST from albanian BUKUR ESHTE....which means IS BEAUTIFULL.
WE R SO ANCIENT that we have a saying that says: we were here 500 hundred years before the devil.
READ READ READ...and of course, don't be jealous.
ArlindGjika 1 year ago
I know that big % of you albanians living in albania are ilyrians, bosnians and part of croatians too. DNA proof
But you must understand that today we Macedonians are not "slavs", Slav is more language term, slovo - means letter
Go check DNA researches about macedonians and greeks for example, and you will see the difference.
Slavs were tall and blond people that were very similar between each others. - described by Bizantines.
btw dont use wikipedia
its an open source
everybody can write
UberMaKedoN 1 year ago
@UberMaKedoN
I belive you ! Albanians are Plesigans / Illyrians Mekedonians = Ancient Makedonians Bosnians= Illyrian/Neolithic Croats= Illyrian Serbs= 45% Slav rest thrachian and hunnian.
so basicly only serbs are real south slav people. we other simpley was forced to take their shit when yugoslavian shit was created 1918-1992. simpley and easily. serbs= slav. none else. this is prooved.
TheBosnianPyramid 1 year ago
Yes, 30-35% of the serbians are slavs, but you must know that 70- % of every balcan nation got ancient roots.
UberMaKedoN 1 year ago
@UberMaKedoN
Yes it`s thruth. But serbs are about 40% slavic today when KOSOVA is idenpendnet and Montenegro! Serbs are the only real slav people and serbs are 0% illyrians. they have 40% Slav blood, then 20% thrachian and 20% hunnians and 15% celtic and 5% hellenic. this is their DNA. So serbs are most slav then thrachian ( gipsy ) people.while Bosnia-Herzegovina and dalmatia sanjak kosova albania and montenegro and macedonia is of illyrian origin. :))))
but serbs are the only south slav.
TheBosnianPyramid 1 year ago
@UberMaKedoN
sine, moga da izeba gomnaraskata ti fyromistanska durzhava bez pari
ke vi nie kolim sas shiptarite kato evtinite gomna kvito ste :)
ThreeGreatLions 1 year ago
@ThreeGreatLions da ti ebam mater tatarska vulgarska
pizdo edna gnasna
si stavil makedonska pesna na profilot
gomno edno bugarsko smrdeno
ke mi go pushis kurishtevo makedonsko ti mene
lajnar eden tatarski
UberMaKedoN 1 year ago
@UberMaKedoN
podchioveshko lainence, sas shiptarite ke te kolim kakto i turchin ne te e klal :)
ThreeGreatLions 1 year ago
@UberMaKedoN
putkodoncite ke vi ostavim da vi reznat organite albancite, putkodonkite ke im razcepim putkite ot ebane i ke gi prodadem na kitaicite za 1 evro na duzina
ThreeGreatLions 1 year ago
Macedonians,ilyrians,tracians,hellens were from same origin - Pelazgian. go open national geographic dna project and choose m173 haplogroup. We Macedonians belong to that group 30 000 years B.C the first humans that inhabited europe, just like iberians,baskians,irish, turks(anatolian) and ermenian.
btw i dont hate you albanians from albania i see on you like a brothers
My uncle have albanian wife from Podgradec
UberMaKedoN 1 year ago
EMATHIA = MACEDONIA
go to wikipedia and type emathia and u will understand.
ArlindGjika 1 year ago
could this be the tower of Babel? Gen 11 vs 2. Shinar and bosnia a too close to be a coincedence. Look for yourselfs in google earth map, read the vrs in that section in the bible, now lissten to what he said man made...?hmmm i wonder?
atlan61 2 years ago
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in 1991 john wilkes (Wilkes is the foremost LIVING authority on the Illyrians) said that bosnians are of illyrian decend. ten years after ALBANIAN accademics agreed with him: Kaplan Resuli, Fatos Lubonja, Ardian Qosi and Ardian Vebiu also other experts worlwide like: Paul, Hirt, Weigand, Tomashek, Georgiev, Pushcariu and many others. And then we got the genetic facts from Igenea, genograpic and familytreedna.
bosna501 2 years ago
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Bosanci=Iliri
Bosanci starosjedioci
Bosna (Bosona) najstarija i ilirska zamlja na Balkanu dokazano na svak moguci nacin.
Gledajte naprimjer: DNA of the Balkans
bosna501 2 years ago
i will be an archeoligist someday
jackospade1 2 years ago
sounds awesome! do it!
nathanip1 2 years ago
Crazy shiptar want to be Macedonian LOL
this is the dumbest and the most non-sense idiot i ever talked to.
Learn history fool, and learn Macedonian History before you show how uneducated you are
primitive arnaut.
UberMaKedoN 2 years ago
Albanians were christian almost for 800 years in the balkans before your people invaded the balkans and destroyed it.
Albanians protected Europe and defeated the Ottoman Empire on a much larger scale then serbians and greeks put together.
Albanians got nothing to prove to anyone when it comes to religion, especially religious fanatics who dont even follow thier own religion properly.
ILIRIDA32 2 years ago
June 1992 FYROMIAN Slavic president Gligorov visits to Albania
ILLYRIAN language translation, greek and English subtitles.
watch?v=uA3kwC2YTq4
ILIRIDA32 2 years ago
former comunist politician? lol
keep it
UberMaKedoN 2 years ago
Serbian-inspired Macedonism had as its roots a creation of a non-Bulgarian way of thinking for the Slavs in the region of Macedonia - a creation of a Macedonian ethnicity that would be pro-Serb.This is evident in the way the Serbians referred to the people in Vardarska Banovina as either South Serbs or eventually simply Macedonians.
ILIRIDA32 2 years ago
EUREKA shiptar hahaha
Bulgarians reffered to the Macedonians living in Pirin as bulgarians too, Greeks reffered to Macedonians living in Aegean Macedonia as greeks. That was the partiton of Macedonia in balcan wars 1913, and they forced assimilation against Macedonians.
Wake up shiptar see minority rights of Macedonians in bulgaria and greece
UberMaKedoN 2 years ago
minority rights recognize you as modern slavic Macedonians who arrived after 7-8 century A.D
ILIRIDA32 2 years ago
i wonder do you look dumb as you sounds
lol
UberMaKedoN 2 years ago
They are the direct descedants of the ancient Illyrians, Macedonians, Epirotes, the offspring of the Pelasgians
The misionary review of the world Page 780
ILIRIDA32 2 years ago
In 1944 Serbs introduced immediately the Serbian language and when Stalin asked Dimitrov to assign Pirin to Tito, Dimitrov said, "But they have no Macedonian consciousness," to which Stalin replied: "In 1918 we created the nation of the White Russians, accepted by everyone today."
ILIRIDA32 2 years ago
In the Middle Ages and into the nineteenth century, the term 'Macedonian' was used entirely in reference to a geographical region. Anyone who lived within its confines, regardless of nationality could be called a Macedonian.
The Early Medieval Balkans: a critical survey from the sixth to the late twelfth century By John Van Antwerp Fine, page 36, 37
ILIRIDA32 2 years ago
They population of Skopje, consisting of Arnouts, Jews, Armenians, Vlachs, Greeks, Bulgarians and Servians, amounts to upwards of twelve thousand
Travels in European Turkey, in 1850: Through Bosnia, Servia, Bulgaria, Macedonia, Thrace, By Edmund Spencer, page 28, Published 1851
ILIRIDA32 2 years ago
"However, in the nineteenth century the term Macedonian was used almost exclusively to refer to the geographic region; the Macedonians were usually not considered a nationality separate from the Bulgarians, Greeks, Serbs, or Albanians. The diplomatic records of the period make no clear mention of a separate Macedonian nation."
[Barbara Jelavich, History of the Balkans, vol. 2;Cambridge University Press, 1983, p.91]
ILIRIDA32 2 years ago
"We may indeed, pretty safely set down the modern Skipetar, Arnauts, or Albanians, as lineal descendants of the Illyrians and Macedonians."
Text from the Journal of the Royal Anthropological Institute of Great Britain and Ireland, Volume 8, page 232, 1879
ILIRIDA32 2 years ago
These "pyramids" are natural formations, no different than the surrounding mountains. Geologically, there is nothing special about them.
Go read the latest issue of Smithsonian if you want to get some good info to start your research. The pyramid hype is a mass delusion in my opinion.
TheCactusjack1 2 years ago
The goverment and archeoligist (forgive spelling) of Bosnia came to my Uni today and I must say that they have nothing that offends people and are working hard to serve the people of the world by any way possible.
gfskill 2 years ago
wtf is wrong with you guys? sup with that bosnian orthodox bosnian phrase? I ain't say im bosnian, but only serbian, and as long as i think that way u can say shit but im still serb. Now go fuck yourself in the butt but don't call me something that I'm not.
stefanblbl 2 years ago
What the fuck is up with the muslim music in the beginning?
Daritto7117 2 years ago
They're muslims, Don Juan did his best though.
HengistTheGreat 2 years ago
you do not speak the illyrian langauge
bosnians are serbian muslims
greatx4sucksDICK 2 years ago
hahahahhaha aj stoke
NEKIBoSaNaC 2 years ago
so mexicans are spaniards going by your theory
UberMaKedoN 2 years ago
slavs didnt have contact with Illyrians or the ancient tribes from Emathia(Macedonia) until they had contact with Albanias
ILIRIDA32 2 years ago
slavs had inhabited whole balcan thru pelaponez, they mixed with the whole population in balcan Ilyrians,Macedonians,Tracians,Hellens,Paeonians,Venetians...
they are described by Byzantium Emperor
as tall blond people - something rare to see in the balcan :)
But they were in little numbers compared to
the ancient people living in balcan.
This "Slav" claim was an old communistic propaganda influenced by Russia and Yugoslavia
According to DNA researches balcan people have 80% of ancient blood
UberMaKedoN 2 years ago
slavs did not have contact with Illyrians or Macedonians until they made contact with Albanians. the northern Illyrian tribes, and ancient Macedonians were either pushed southwards or assimilated by the many invaders hundreds of years before slavic arrival.
there is no proof or evidence of slavic assimilation theory. there is no DNA studies that support your claims...IGENEA is not a legitimate source of scientific value.
ILIRIDA32 2 years ago
Macedonians were dominate in the south- central balcan from ancient times to middle ages
so your skewed view of history is not correct.
saying that only albanians are the real descedants from ilyrians is a stubborn fascistic idea with no evidence
if IGENEA hurt your fashistic idea that doesn't mean that isnt the truth.
btw its not my claim, its NOT IGENEA research.
Christian and Orthodox albanians from albania are ilyrian not Kosovo or north-western Macedonia.
UberMaKedoN 2 years ago
only christian Albanians are Illyrians?? lol talk about distortions, your a religious freak.
Illyrians and ancient Macedonians were the same people and Albanians represent them today.
your people arrived after 7-8 century A.D and never had contact with ancient Macedonians.
ILIRIDA32 2 years ago
There is a book called The Illyrians By John Wilkes
- he writes
The Albanians call themselves Shqip-tari. This name is not Indo-European in origin and contains in it the Ural-Altaic suffix ar or tar. Much like: Khaz-AR, Av-AR, Magy-AR, Bulg-AR, Hung-AR, Ta-TAR Ship-TAR. Taken together with the Shqiptar-Albanian toponyms on the territory of the former Caucasian Albania, this theory on the etymology of Shqipatr becomes more plausable. LOOOL
UberMaKedoN 2 years ago
John Wilkes was never qualified to speak on behalf of the Illyrian(Albanian) identity or culture. John Wilkes book is sympathetic to the slavic theories and not based on solid facts. no scholars take his work serious.
ILIRIDA32 2 years ago
nope, im not religious freak, im just saying that your primitive tribe was brought by the turks in balcans from caucassus albania, thats why you have the same names and toponyms.
Have you ever read the Holy Bible? Macedonians are mentioned 38 times, 2000 years ago St. Paul came into MACEDONIA
Macedonia is the first christian country in Europe, proof of that are the oldest Monasteries and churches in MACEDONIA
and ofcourse the religion of the REAL MACEDONIANS
ORTODOX CHRISTIAN
UberMaKedoN 2 years ago
The Illyrians, John Wilkes states on pg: 219
The original URAL-ALTAIC speaking Caucasian Shqiptar-Albanians were part of the AVAR KHANATE which had one of its early capitals in Caucasian Albania (hence Albanian topnyms there, the possible Ural-Altaic etymology of the suffix in the word Shqip-tar and the similarities in national costume with Caucasian peoples the non-Indo-European Georgians, in particular)
and you say that my people came in 8tn century ROFL
UberMaKedoN 2 years ago
"The Albanians are the oldest original inhabitants of the Balkan Peninsula"
The world book: organized knowledge in story and picture" - Page 147 by Michael Vincent O'Shea, Ellsworth D. Foster, George Herbert Locke -Nonfiction - 1917
ILIRIDA32 2 years ago
The Albanian language as the language of the ancient Illyrians
German Philosopher
G.W Lejbnic (1646-1716)
ILIRIDA32 2 years ago
I will remind you that ANYONE living within the confines of Macedonia can be called s a Macedonian by proxy
slavs of modern Macedonia did not assimilate or even come close to the ancient Macedonians. this is a fact. you are recognised as Macedonians simply through the standards and rights of self recognition...not because scholars and Europe believes you are ancient Macedonians.
ILIRIDA32 2 years ago
yeah right LOL, and you call yourselves ilyrian just to evolve your nationalism
Albanians from albania are so different with you albano-macedonians,or albano-kosovars
not just from religious point of view.
There are hundreds of Macedonians that toke albanian brides from albania. Our people is much more closer than you are with them.
So according to your theory ancient macedonians were greeks or they dissapear
LOL
UberMaKedoN 2 years ago
Illyrans and ancient Macedonians are Albanians you ignorant moron
serbs and Bulgarians have nothing to do with ancient Macedonians...you only have invaded and continue to illegally occupy thier land
ILIRIDA32 2 years ago
hahahahahha omg what a fuckin looser are you
illyrians and macedonians are albanians? hahahahahhaha
UberMaKedoN 2 years ago
ship-tar,bul-gar-ta-tar,avar want to be macedonians LOL
go back to caucasus albania you fuckin crazy shiptar
UberMaKedoN 2 years ago
Albanians have lived in Macedonia since antiquity, you share power with the Macedonin Albanians in Macedonia today. Albanians are not going anywhere anytime soon. just look at your birth rate for Macedonia...in 100 years Macedonia will be repopulated with Albanians again as it was before in history.
have a nice day
ILIRIDA32 2 years ago
rofl maybe you are 25,17% hahaha
This nortwestern territory was ilyrian land, i agree on that. but shit... Philip The Macedonian came to the throne and kicked the ilyrian ass and took this lands away from them :)
Yes, Macedonians are not going anywhere too :)
UberMaKedoN 2 years ago
we were talking about Alexander ...not Phillip..but since you want to eat shit...phillip was aslo Illyrian from his Mother's side and even married another Illyrian princess. Macedonians, Illyrians and Epirotas are all the same people that spoke the same languages and derive from the PELESGIANS...not serbian or greek.
ILIRIDA32 2 years ago
yes, even your people are called macedonian, because of the passport, but you call yourselves shiptars, we Macedonians etc etc.
The Truth is that there isnt pure country in the world. Every nation is a little mixed. But saying that "your people are the real descedants of ilyrians and that there isnt any other" LOL wake up !
many DNA researches are very good evidence about that. NOT a single nation have a pure origin.
UberMaKedoN 2 years ago
your people share the same DNA heritage, culture and language with serbs and Bularians...not ancient Macedonians.
the ancient Macedonian dialect is close with the dialect of the northern Albanian Ghegs of today.
ILIRIDA32 2 years ago
General Parmenion had defeated the combined Illyrian and Paeonian armies
Philip ordered Alexander to begin mustering an army for a campaign in Greece. Concerned by the possibility of other Greek states intervening, Alexander made it look as if he was preparing to attack Illyria instead. During this turmoil, the Illyrians took the opportunity to invade Macedonia, but Alexander repelled the invaders
UberMaKedoN 2 years ago
Alexander only routed a few attacks from the Illyrians. Alexander never conquered Illyria...why? because his mother was an Illyrian Princess. Illyrians even joined Alexander on his conquest all the way to India.
ILIRIDA32 2 years ago
Philip The Macedonian made many political marries. The mother of Alex was ilyrian indeed, he was from Epirus -not greek at the time. But he had many wifes from Macedonian origin and greek origin too. He was very inteligent politician that manipulated with his neighbours
Dont forget to mention that ilyrians killed Macedonian king Perdica III in battle who was trying to occupie ilyrian territory north of macedonia.
UberMaKedoN 2 years ago
who gives a shit if Illyrians and and ancient Macedonians killed eachother??? this is ancient balkan tribal warfare for resources and influence.
what does this history have to do with you and your people???
you have invade our lands and try to deny us our identity???
who are you ???
why did your government remove the "Macedonian Encyclopedia" from public?
ILIRIDA32 2 years ago
No its not removed, i have the book.
LOL you came 2 centuries ago from north west albania and kosovo into macedonia you stupid asshole
WHERE IS YOUR CONNECTION TO CHRISTIANITY
answer !
MACEDONIANS WERE THE FIRST CHRISTIAN PEOPLE IN EUROPE 2000 years ago, old religion, folklore,music and culture that is SOOO MUCH MORE ADVANCED than the one that use you primitive muslim tribe
WE GOT OLDEST MONASTERIES, and 365 churches in OHRID. that speaks the we got continuity in our Macedonian herritage
UberMaKedoN 2 years ago
"But of all the regions I have seen, the Arnaut seems to me the most particular. They are natives of Arnaoutlich, the ancient Macedonia, and still retain something of the courage and hardiness, though they have lost the name, of Macedonians, being the best militia in the Turkish empire, and they only check upon the janissaries."
Letters from the Right Honourable Lady Mary Wortley Montagu. 1709 to 1762. Ed. By Ernest Rhys, Everyman's Library, Essays. London.1925, p. 109.
ILIRIDA32 2 years ago
One of the interesting facts that connect the Albanians to the Caucasus and that they are not the descendants of the Ancient Illyrians is the Turkish name for the Albanians. "Arnauti", which means "those who have not returned" in Arabic, for the Turks were aware of the their origins
UberMaKedoN 2 years ago
as john wilkes states in his book 'The ilyrians"
In the republic of Georgia, in the Caucasus, on the terriory of the former Caucasian Albania, from where the Avar Khanate once had its capital, there is a village named: "Arnauti". This is the name by which Serbs, Greeks, Turks, Macedonians and Montenegrin Serbs refer to Albanians in their respective langauges. There is also village in Georgia named "Bushati" - which is the name of an Albanian tribe ("fis") around Lake Skadar.
UberMaKedoN 2 years ago
Arnaut ROFL stop wishing to be Macedonian, because you cant, you are pathetic
Why you are not christian like most albanians from albania and macedonians ?
you are muslims brought by the turks in balcans thats why they got a nice name for you Arnauti", which means "those who have not returned" ROFL
Build Me a bridge, cry me a river and get over it
UberMaKedoN 2 years ago
Albanians are the Illyrians and the true Macedonians, your the one who has to learn to deal with reality.
why did your government remove the encyclopedia from public?
ILIRIDA32 2 years ago
repeat after me
TRUE MACEDONIANS KILLED THE ILYRIANS, THEY'VE BEEN IN MANY WARS, MACEDONIANS FOUGHT AGAINST GREEKS,ILYRIANS,TRACIANS.
LEARN HISTORY
MACEDONIANS WERE AND ARE CHRISTIAN NATION
NOT A MUSLIM ARNAUT TRIBE FROM CAUCASUS BROUGHT BY THE TURKS/ AND NOW WANT WANT TO STEAL ANCIENT HISTORY
YOU GOT NOT CONNECTION WITH THE PEOPLE OF ALBANIA, THEY DONT LIKE YOUR PRIMITIVE ARNAUT TRIBE
YOU SHARE SAME CUSTOMS WITH THE CHECHENS AND CAUCASSUS GEORGIANS
DEAL WITH IT ARNAUT.
UberMaKedoN 2 years ago
regardless of what you think you know, Illyrians and Macedonians were tribes of the Pelesgians. this is something you know nothing about. your people have nothing to do with ancient Macedonians and this is a solid fact.
why did your government remove the so called "Macedonian Encyclopedia" ????
ILIRIDA32 2 years ago
Albo-Bushati - Caucasus-Bushati (also the name of an Albanian tribe)
Albo-Baboti - Caucasus-Baboti
Albo-Baka -Caucasus-Bako
Albo-Ballagati - Caucasus-Balagati
Albo-Ballaj,Balli - Caucasus- Bali
Albo-Bashkimi - Caucasus-Bashkoi
Albo-Bathore- Caucasus- Batharia
Albo-Bater- Caucasus- Bataris
Albo-Geg - Caucasus-Gegi, Gegeni, Geguti (Term used by Albanians in their language to denote their brethre north of the Shkumbi R.)
Albo-Demir Kapia - Caucasus-Demir Kapia (Turkish term: "iron gates";
UberMaKedoN 2 years ago
instead of using greek youtube propaganda, go ask the turks why they call us Arnauts you ignorant moron.
lol
ILIRIDA32 2 years ago
I have the first edition of the Macedonian encyclopedia and i bought from book store. You can buy it to if you like, but you are probably dumb enough to find it, not even mention to read it LOL
btw Moron is the middle name of almost every shiptar living in macedonia and kosovo.
Look at you ugly tribe shiptar, bunch of incest degenetics without culture.
a freakin chechens
lol
UberMaKedoN 2 years ago
your government got busted for telling lies in the encyclopedia and were forced to remove it and revise it with FACTS...not political ideology.
your belief system is based on a book of fiction written with political motivations
ILIRIDA32 2 years ago
UberMaKedoN 2 years ago
this is greek propaganda...I thought you are slav Macedonian? wtf??? lol
make up your mind
ILIRIDA32 2 years ago
greek propaganda? lol
That is a language similarity you dumb truck
hahaha
and im not a "slav"
im Macedonier
something that now you wish to be
but i got a solution for you
bring me your anama wife to me
i will make you a macedonier for you LOL
UberMaKedoN 2 years ago
yes I agree with you, you are modern Macedonian slav as recognised under the terms for self recognition. you have nothing to do with Phillip, Alexander or Emathia.
at least your starting to learn something now.
ILIRIDA32 2 years ago
Macedonians never call themselves
"slavo macedonians" thats a racial slur coming from serbs,greeks,and bulgarians and from arnaut.
On the other side your people call themselves Shqip-tar,not ilyrian at all
UberMaKedoN 2 years ago
lol look who is complaining for racial slurs now...boo hoo hoo
your a slav and you should be proud of this...but mostly your DNA, customs, heritage, culture and language is mostly the same as serbs
ILIRIDA32 2 years ago
My DNA is Macedonian, just like Most of today's Macedonians NOT slavic
DNA PROOF
Today Modern Macedonians are the real descendants of the Ancient Macedonians. Every shiptar idea is a bullcrap IDIOTIC
pathetic...
Shiptar where is your Christian religion???
Macedonians are mentioned in the Holy Bible 38 times 2000 years ago. Macedonia is first christian land in europe.
you are muslim, that thinks that is ilyrian and macedonians both LOL
what a fuckin looser
grow a brain you arnaut from caucasus
UberMaKedoN 2 years ago
shiptars are macedonians ROFL
this is the MOST pathetic joke i ever heard
UberMaKedoN 2 years ago
"We may indeed, pretty safely set down the modern Skipetar, Arnauts, or Albanians, as lineal descendants of the Illyrians and Macedonians."
Text from the Journal of the Royal Anthropological Institute of Great Britain and Ireland, Volume 8, page 232, 1879
ILIRIDA32 2 years ago
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UberMaKedoN 2 years ago 4
"But of all the regions I have seen, the Arnaut seems to me the most particular. They are natives of Arnaoutlich, ancient Macedonia, and still retain something of the courage and hardiness, though they have lost the name, of Macedonians, being the best militia in the Turkish empire, and they only check upon the janissaries."
Letters from the Right Honourable Lady Mary Wortley Montagu. 1709 to 1762. Ed. By Ernest Rhys, Everyman's Library, Essays. London.1925, p. 109.
ILIRIDA32 2 years ago
fanatical "christrian" slavs or serbs such as yourself who act like religion is someones nationality is the same shit as muslim extremism around the world.
where is your ancient Macedonian language? the name you see in the bible is not part of your identity or legacy...your just trying to get a free ride like your people have always done. why dont you call yourself by the same name as the ancient Macedonians? oh thats right its because you have absolutely nothing to do with ancient Macedonians
ILIRIDA32 2 years ago
if someone is fanatical that is your people, muslim fanaticals, because you call fro mudzahedines in 2001 to help you lol deal with it
I speak the ancient macedonian language, it is a part of the modern macedonian language. Have you heard about Kiril and Metodij you dumb shiptar? LEARN HISTORY
you hate my people, im ok with that but telling that im not macedonian and you are as a shiptar ROFL
LOOK AT YOUR CULTURE,LOOK AT YOUR CUSTOMS LOOK AT YOUR WHOLE EXISTENCE you got nothing in common with
UberMaKedoN 2 years ago
albanians from albania are much more closer with macedonian than with your people.
WHERE IS YOUR TRACE OF CHRISTIANITY you dumb arnaut? you got NONE
Come to Ohrid you will see monasteries build in 50 AD, and culture,customs and rich Macedonian Folkore that prevail many many centuries. and compared to your culture...
hahaha
bye bye shiptar
next time educate yourself before you wish to be macedonian
and if you still want... i told you bring me your anama wife, i will make you a macedonier for u
UberMaKedoN 2 years ago
your people are part of the modern political slavic substratum with no connections to the ancient Macedonians. your customs, your heritage, your DNA, your language is the same as serbians and bulgarians. Anyone who lives in Macedonia can call themselves as Macedonian because its just a geographical region.
Albanians in Macedonia are the true descendants to the ancient Macedonians and Illyrians who have preserved thier ancient identity among thier Illyrian brethren.
ILIRIDA32 2 years ago
Nato and the mujahadeen did not fight in Macedonia against your slavic government. it was only the Albanian(Macedonian) guerillas who killed your soldiers and forced your generals and politicians to the negotiating table. your language that you speak is a modern language developed from serbian and bulgarian. your people arrived after 7-8 century A.D and had no contact with ancient Macedonians or Illyrians until they made contact with Albanians.
ILIRIDA32 2 years ago
where is your trace of ancient Macedonian? what ancient traditions or cultural affinity do you have with ancient Macedonians? language? do you still celebrate the ancient tradition of the Macedonian summer and the dance of the dead and practice in iso-polyphony chanting? do your people do the famous Epirota-Emathia Pyrric sword dance? NO
this is only performed by Albanians today.
your just a political group who takes the name of the region you live from.
nothing else
ILIRIDA32 2 years ago
Hahaha...It seems that you for yourself don't know who Kiril i Metodije were! They were slavs.If they were slavs than they had no connections with antique macedonians.Open any history book and read about the period when slavs came to ballkans.U look so funny,u r not Macedonians,rather u just r wanna be macedonians.Whole world knows that todat macedonians are mixture of serbs+bulgars who are strongly supported by a orthodox church. Cmmon man,even u know the truth but u don't want to admit it.Bye.
ArlindGjika 1 year ago
hahaha look at you, telling me who i am
pathetic arnaut bitch crawl back to caucasus albania
UberMaKedoN 1 year ago
Kiril and Metodij were not "slavs" you dumb uneducated bitch keep reading wikipedia - open source just like your mother
Slav term comes from slavo-slovo- meaning letter/alphabet you dumb arnavud bitch
Check dna researches about macedonians,albanians and greeks you stupid cunt
You are jelous cause im macedonian? hahaha
pathetic ignorant bitch hit your fuckin head of the wall
UberMaKedoN 1 year ago
Your national hero KASTRIOT, MIJAK-FROM DEBAR - MACEDONIA - ORTODOX MACEDONIAN
UberMaKedoN 1 year ago
Why do u have to curse so much? The problem of the ballkans is and remains substantially in the presence of slavs. This means that just because u are around, there are so much problems. U people through centuries showed that u are nazistic. U only think how to destroy everything. But, on the other hand, you didn't manage to destroy the first people on the Europe - Albanians. Don't you understand - we are unbreakable. Our customs and language can never vanish, therefore, why u just don't give up?
ArlindGjika 1 year ago
@ ubermakedon
U know (If u have ever read any book) that Macedonia before is called Macedonia was called EMATHIA, which in Albanian of course means E MATHJA. If u don't believe me open the books and u will learn. Changing of the name occurs during the centuries. Kosova was called Dardania - before the slavs came.
One important thing...HOW CAN YOU BE ANCIENT MACEDONIANS WHEN THE RACE OF ANCIENT MACEDONIANS WAS NOT SLAVIS BUT RATHER THRACO-ILLYRIAN?!!!?.
Read read read...READ.
ArlindGjika 1 year ago
Your primitive shiptar tribe was brought by the turks 15th century from caucasus albania THATS A FACT
Thats why you have muslim religion, thats why you have the same customs and folklore and you have same toponyms and names
UberMaKedoN 2 years ago
why did your government remove the so called "Macedonian Encyclopedia from the public? I'll tell you why, its because the Encyclopedia was proven to be false and based off of lies which isnt recognized by even your conservative scholars within your state.
ILIRIDA32 2 years ago
"We may indeed, pretty safely set down the modern Skipetar, Arnauts, or Albanians, as lineal descendants of the Illyrians and Macedonians."
Text from the Journal of the Royal Anthropological Institute of Great Britain and Ireland, Volume 8, page 232, 1879
ILIRIDA32 2 years ago
News then reached Alexander that Cleitus, King of Illyria, and King Glaukias of the Taulanti were in open revolt against Macedonian authority. Marching west into Illyria, Alexander defeated each in turn, forcing Cleitus and Glaukias to flee with their armies, leaving Alexanders northern frontier secure.
UberMaKedoN 2 years ago
i understand that you wish to be Macedonian :)
We are Proud Nation with alot of enemies just like in ancient times
Greeks,bulgarians put claims on Macedonian history and now you shiptars ROFL
According to National Geographic DNA Project we Macedonians have m173 haplogroup, that put us in the first inhabitants of European Soil around 35-000 years B.C
go ahead show a proof of your caucassus albanian origin lol
Another Proof of the origin
UberMaKedoN 2 years ago
Albanians dont try to claim the modern name of Macedonia. Albanians still use the ancient word for Macedonia, which is EMATHIA. Gjergj Kastrioti was proclaimed prince of EMATHIA and used the double horned goats head on his helmet just like Pirrus and Alexander the Great.
ILIRIDA32 2 years ago
Gorgija Kastriot was Mijak - Macedonian tribe from Debar, and orthodox christian. His mother was Vojsava - typical macedonian name ROFL
Macedonia is not modern name OMG lol
you are so uneducated
Emathia is just a albanian word for it, same as the serbs,bosnians and croats call nizozemska for holand.
MAKEDONIA is the oldest name
go learn history
UberMaKedoN 2 years ago
correction: bosnians descendents from turks, serbians are descendents from tribes in regions such as illyria and gaetland
jasmokon 2 years ago
jasmokon , serbs are not descendants of the illyrian-Albanian tribes...this is ridiculous and this is old pan slavic propaganda that has been abandoned for years.
Only Albanians are the direct living descendants to the ancient Illyrians.
ILIRIDA32 2 years ago
not only albanians from albania
Bosnians and croats from dalmatia have ilyrian blood too.
UberMaKedoN 2 years ago
here you can actually see how in fact are Muslims in Bosnia.. they are even on the video that has nothing to do with Islam set their imams to sing their pray even we are forced to listen that five times on day.. they are intrusive and forget that in bosnia live more nations and nationalities
MessUrnebes 2 years ago
World is trying to learn the Serbs, Croats, Slovenes, Montenegrians, old Slavs about democracy and human rights who are ages live together in peace and prosperity
Christians force democracy while Muslims Islam!
MessUrnebes 2 years ago
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MessUrnebes 2 years ago
All Bosnian population is ONE people: Old Slavic Serbs
Now it is:
According to the 1991 census, Bosnia and Herzegovina had a population of 4,377,033. Ethnically, 1,902,956 (43%) were Bosniak, 1,366,104 (31%) Serbs, and 760,852 (17%) Croats, with 242,682 (6%) Yugoslavs. The remaining 2% of the population - numbering 104,439 - consisted of various other ethnicities. According to 2000 data from the CIA World Factbook, Bosnia's largest ethnic groups are Bosniaks (48%), Serbs (37%) and Croats (14%)
barsenovic 2 years ago
Serbs serb serbs ohhhhh man what for a dity stupid poeples.
ciao ciao.
Hey StefanKurcic came not in sommer in bosnia to se the pyramids.
muaha
Majku ti jebem smotanu hajvane smradu jedan.
Koliko ste zavidni da vas jebem u te zvalje krive.
bosna501 2 years ago
I will go to Bosnia and I will do what ever I want, I have Muslim friends and I enjoy spending time with them. I do not hate Bosniaks or what ever they proclaim them self. But I hate assholes like you, assholes that did not put their heads out of German toilets and now talk to all of us like they are masters of the universe... You are to lame...
stefankostic 2 years ago
oh man whyyyy so agresiv ha kolega.
You have bosnian friends ahaaaaaaa
you will have bosnian friends but is no go.
Go please to bihac tuzla sarajevo or in a other city and say this what you wrighting here than we see your bosnian friends.
Ya Milos Bojanic a mean Obilic was a Turk fighter the name of his mother was Fatma Karahasan.
You dont know that?
this is facts
bosna501 2 years ago
The facts are that you did not take your sedatives.
Things that you are talking are nonsense! :p
stefankostic 2 years ago
bosnia is not muslim, normaly all muslims should be gone from europe by 2011
dumbnetworks 2 years ago
why you speak so?
you hate bosnia?
Its no correct my friend.
we have other religions in bosnia and we respect it.
But the most peoples in bosnia is mulim.
bosna501 2 years ago
You are wrong, 37% of Bosnia people are Serbs and 14% of them are Croats, you know that both Serbs and Croats are Christians. If you know a bit of a Math than you can calculate that 37% and 14% is 51%.
Sorry dude, you must agree with truth. :)
stefankostic 2 years ago
in bosnia there are christians too, so shut up muslims
dumbnetworks 2 years ago 2
and is okay so we love to have more religions and cultures this is beautiful.
bosna501 2 years ago 2
51% of people who live in Bosnia are Christians. :)
Muslims are minority in Bosnia... :p
stefankostic 2 years ago
fuck off u asshole, u think we dont know that? fucktard
BHFBuDo 2 years ago
idiot goat fucker muslim shut ur mouth up or I will put your mothers pussy there -_-
dumbnetworks 2 years ago
ahah u rly are a fucktard
BHFBuDo 2 years ago
and you have a big mouth :) asshole, put mi dick in there
dumbnetworks 2 years ago
I love when there is religious fights lmao.. buuuttt, Adem + Eve = 20 kids = 10 boys + 10 girls(which are brother + sister) = by the 3rd gen they all retarded or dead. Science + Reasoning all the way :).
Skilledtoo 2 years ago
u doesn't make any sense
dumbnetworks 2 years ago
mm, theoritically, if their DNA is fine, they can breed without any errors in information.
sergiomarchelli 2 years ago
damn man, those people, back then, had a lot of time if they constructed such big structures :)
kmikze 3 years ago
There are rovas writings on the pyramids and inside the tunels. Rovas is the oldest writing on the Earth. It is hungarian.
GIVEMETHEWORLD 3 years ago
it wuz the aliens!! XD
hallihallohallochen 3 years ago
illyrians did belive in sun, but i belive need more prove ti see this amazing think.
Burrel1924 3 years ago
@stefankostic:a kako to da smo mi prvi digli ustanak protiv osmanlija tacnije Zmaj od Bosne a tada je vas car milan ili kako se vec zvao ponudio se osmanlijama da nas napadne sa ledja,i da znas govno cetnicko da smo se i mi borili na kosovu protiv osmanlija kao i ostali balkanci tada zato ne mlati slamu
@cowboybebop:Bosnia exists since 7th cen.if u didn´t know
AsmirBHF 3 years ago
why the video starts with the allah shit?
dumbnetworks 3 years ago
Yeah whats with the allah crap this is a bosnian documentry... tosser!!!
napolean34 3 years ago
Because its a Muslim place (that city)
ParaCriminal 3 years ago
bosnia is a muslim country .
QueensPrince 3 years ago
like the fuckin indiana jones
dzenanika 3 years ago
This would be a monumental find for all man-kind! Don't you get it - you narrow-minded ultra-nationalist dimwits!
I like Osmanagic's enthusiasm but he is unwittingly ruining hisown project. Loose the hat and just show the evidence. Let the experts speak - and there are experts, even eminent ones, favourable to this theory. The sattelite imagery, the evidence of faster change of temp., the sediments, the underground complex, the botanic evidence, the geologic evidence.
CowboyBebop2012 3 years ago
I'm an open-minded historian. This is a really interesting theory. Unfortunately d find is in these parts of d world - Balkans. I say unfortunately because these parts are filled with morons that can't wait 2 re-tell their propaganda-histories & claim somethin 4 their impoverished egos.
1) If these are pyramids - they were not built by Illiric tribes - that's for sure!
2) They were not built by 'ancient Bosnians' - Bosnia didn't even exist until about d 9th cent.
3) U nationalists make me puke!
CowboyBebop2012 3 years ago
je and the worst nationalists are those croatian people fucking natziz
I agry 100% whit u.
man12nen 2 years ago
Semir Osmanagic isn't archaeologist but metalworker, therefore all that idea about bosnian pyramids remains not even a theory but pure pseudoscience fiction as shown in the movies about Indiana Johnes,..
fromheretoglory 3 years ago
It's Indiana Jones wit an accent and a blue rain coat
LastReplaySC 3 years ago
stefan halt deine verfickte fresse....sta se pravis neki pametan covjek a glup si ko moj kurac.....ti bi da nas nema,,, da smo nastali svi od vas jel?? picka ti materina fasisticka
bummsmeister 3 years ago
Za tebe bummsmeister pošto verovatno ne govoriš engleski mogu reći isto i na srpskom: Popni se i ti na tavan, kada više ne budeš bio gastarbaiter, i potraži ikonu, tu je negde leži prašnjava i čeka te. Nisi pao sa marsa u Bosnu! Bosna je nekad bila Pravoslavna Hrišćanska zemlja. I ne mrzim ja Muslimane niti niti sam nacista, samo verujem u jedinu razumnu priču.
stefankostic 3 years ago
Bosnia is the oldest country on this region.The pyramid proves it and a lot of other things too.First bosnians were bogomils,and they converted to Islam when Turks came.Bosnia was conquered for 1000 times,but we still have the bosnian spirit.Serbs and croats can speak what ever they want,but they have to know that world knows the truth already.Bosnia is peaceful country,but we will defend and win our enemy 100%.
AdnanBasic 3 years ago
:D :D :D
Funny...
stefankostic 3 years ago
You must see who you are, and that you have more in common with Russians than with Arabians (even the Turks are not Arabians)! You should educate your self before you start talking this nonsense, because of people like you there was a war. Your history starts a lot before Turks...
stefankostic 3 years ago
Open google and type in: "Znameniti Srbi muslimani" and you will see...
stefankostic 3 years ago
bozzniac the only thing i can say to you is that your incredibly stupid and you dont know what the fuck your talking about
edo15ct 3 years ago
man most of these people cant spell because its not becoz ok fucking damn it and yes there are pyramids and they are not albanian so just be happy we got something that is good for our country damn enjoy it like I do fuck yeah we got pyramids.
criminalac 4 years ago
the only reasonthose archeoligists say its jst a mountain is because they dont want us to dig any further and find corpses ect coz then bosnia would be an even bigger tourist attraction than it is and im not just targeting a specific countries archeoligists.
coz lets face it every country has tourists and dont want to lose them to a small country like bosnia
bosanac2nv 4 years ago
If you find some pyramid, I would like to come first and see, spend some money, and make some photos with local people... But sad thing, is that even if there is some building there (those bricks are hand made), it is probably only some old house or farm from time of Turk invasion to Europe. Bozzniac is right... nothing to say more...
stefankostic 3 years ago
this all is fake, thers no such things as pyramids in Bosnia, especialy not pyramidys that are made by bosnians. i am bosnian, pyramid in Visoko would make me happy becouze it will boost our economy up a lil, but i mean cmon ppl, this shit is fake, its a peace of dirt over some rocks.
this guy is stupid for saying that rocks are man made becouse its really easy to c that shit is naturaly curved and naturaly there
bozzniac 4 years ago
but then again how can you be sure ? those rocks seem very symmetric and man made.Unless we keep digging in search of more evidences I say we cannot come to any conclusion.
All can I say about " Visoko's pyramids" is something it's inside that mountain.
VALDIGNE 4 years ago
Allahu Akbar its time for the truth of course they have to be Pelasgian Illyrian other word Albanian or Shqiptar bosnians know that I dont know why you making such a big deal out of it its not like this guy is trying to take away our history hes trying to prove that Its the Illyrians who built them
TheSonOfEagle 4 years ago