Who instigated Russian Bolshevism to attack Germans in East Prussia? Even making Adolf appeal to The League of Nations! Namely The Bromberg Massacre. damn zionists, not blaming the Jews individually. Why did neville Chamberlain offer Poland a War Guarantee for help when post WWI UK was bankcrupt & had only three fighting divisions.
To think WWII started over Danzig makes me sick to the bone.. Well done my country britain:((
@Domdeone1 It was not a zionist action, it was a polish action, that murder of Bromberg, the jews had nothing to do with that polish cruelty, the jews had to suffer as much from the poles as from the germans. don`t be antisemitic....
Poland was fighting both Germany & Russia at the same time on two fronts!!! An impossible task something the allies never had to do , if it wasn't for the brave Polish Pilots in the Battle of Britain and the 8th Army & Navy we would have been fucked!!! The Polish army never surrendered they fought in exile in Britain, Europe, Africa & the Middle East, after the war Polish forces were to help the Americans fight the Japs but the Hirosima bomb saved more needless lives.
Haha! The top polish governement from the top downward had already fled Warsawa, like rats from a sinking ship, by the time the Red Army advanced westward.
They left their armies without orders. In the battlefield, the proud polish officers where the first ones to desert, good thing Hitler (yes, Hitler, not Stalin) gave them justice, even if it wasn´t his job to shoot the ennemie´s deserters.
If it wasn´t for Stalin, Poland would be history today.
Poland was fighting both Germany & Russia at the same time on two fronts!!! An impossible task something the allies never had to do , if it wasn't for the brave Polish Pilots in the Battle of Britain and the 8th Army & Navy we would have been fucked!!! The Polish army never surrendered they fought in exile in Britain, Europe, Africa & the Middle East, after the war Polish forces were to help the Americans fight the Japs but the Hirosima bomb save more needless lives.
Germany was getting tooled up for a modern war Britain, France & Poland were caught napping, when the British forces landed at Dunkirk they started to "dig-in" same as WW1 the old tanks etc were no match to fight a modern war!!! Germany attacked Poland from the west on the 1st Sept then Russia attacked from the East on the 17th Sept Poland was promised help from her allies but none was given!!! Without the help of the brave Polish pilots, Soldiers and Sailors we would have been overwhelmed.
With all of their technical and engineering genius, with all of their military power and powerful politicians (Kaisers and Fuhrer) Germany only managed to START wars, but never actually WIN them.
True, and unlike the Germans, the French and English won many of those wars that they started. It must be embarrassing to face the fact that ze great Reich was lost due to your own doing.
first, you brain dead MORON, I am not a German. Second RETARD, you don't understand the implications of these wars. Britain and France are parasites and theys tarted globalism and corporatism, and the exploitation of the world's ressources with the help of jew financiers. Germany was the last bastion of nationalism, individual identity and the enemy of globalist corporatism. You're too stupid to understand. How does it feel to be a mo...moo...moron?
@shitonMOHAMMAD Angry much there, dude? If you are the prime example of someone who extolls German virtues from this era, than I am not surprised that most people have grown to hate them.
@BcallingDB you are right, Germany lost two times, but they didn`t start the two WWs. They were the victim of british, american and partly french plans......
@ursus911 Germany tried to be imperialistic and got their asses kicked for it by other imperialist powers. Boo hoo. In short, the Germans happily played with fire and got burned. Too bad for them. If they start another world war, Berlin will probably end up in Poland. Lmfao.
@BcallingDB And Poland is the peaceful Nation, democratic, friendly and goodwilling with its minorities, has never been aggressive against its neighbours? Where do you live? It cant be that aggressive antisemitic anti german and anti democratic Poland which showed itself between 1919-39 and still does today with the PISbrothers and their faschistic bandits.....
@ursus911 Lol... you're not really mr. current events, are you? PiS is pretty much gone, one of the Kaczynski brothers is dead, party support is waning. No matter what Poland did to assert itself after 126 years of occupation still pales when compared to what the German did, but I have never been one for believing Goebbels, anyway.
Now, German-Polish relations are the best that they have ever been, but butthurt imperialists still can't face the fact that their Reich LOST the war.
@BcallingDB May be the relations are good at the moment, but with a new government, that could change fast. At the moment, the polish animosity against Germany is sleeping under the surface, but when there are small differences in policy or economy that could change very fast. Dont misunderstand, a poland that stands to its history AND its crimes would be my favorite......
@ursus911 The animosity goes both ways. For one, Poles in Germany do not have minority status still after Goering took it away in 1940. In Poland, however, Germans were granted minority status in 1990 and have one guaranteed seat in the parliament. Street signs in several towns are bilingual. Sure, there is animosity, but there is much being done in Poland to overcome it even if there still are idiots who vandalize German language schools by spray painting swastikas.
@BcallingDB Thats exactly what I meant, but that still could change. When I sea what Newspaper still publish with anti German motives and articles, it is difficult to believe in a durable and pressure enduring friendly relationship. Sorry, but Im pessimistic in the long run and not because of the German Society. There is a german joke, who says an new inavasion of poland in the next years is impossible because of lack of geography knowledge. Present Germany is just not interested inP
Speaking of 'terror instilled by the people' and atrocities, here is some 'terror' by the 'freedom-loving allies' for the media brainwashed 'kids' to learn:
I love how people come on saying "Sieg Heil" and all that trash and they have no idea of the terror instilled by the people who spoke those simple and moronic words.
Didn't Stalin murder about 20 million of his own people? Difficult to think of anything good to say about him to be honest. He appeares to have been a vicious power-mad megalomaniac cast in the same mold as Mr Hitler.
fuck the polish ! my polish house mates steal my food all the time and laugh like they're handicapped , truly inferior people that flood into other countries seeking to take over the culture
@Nebelwerfer89 Surprised or not, I knew a Indian and German who hanged out together, complete douchbags, if they came over (which one of my friends needed to invite them 'cause their parents were friends) they would jump on your table, break your pingpong ball, and then say they're sorry. Does that mean ever Indian and German are such aholes? of course not.
In the other hand if your judging an entire country, it's history, and culture by a couple people then you are an idiot.
Okay, everybody calm down now. Yes, Poland was sacraficed to apease Uncle Joe. Britian rolled over way to quick in order to apease Uncle Joe( look up phony war(the French were even worse, Get a spine you cheese eatin' surender monkeys)). Look up the term "polish diplomacy", it basicly means "Get off my porch f$ck#r, before I call the dogs" Post war Poland was totaley screwed, but if it wasn't for the D P P camps after the war, I wouldn't be here today.
@FreiNemmersdorf I know people in my family who were almost killed by Germans so do not talk Nazi asshole! Poland became smaller after World War II because of you assholes and Soviets! Thanks a lot asshole!
@GaullistFan Inappropriately to touch the Soviets in 1918 and in 1920 probably would not have become smaller. But, the truth, and would not have been more. =) My opinion in 1939 was deserved.
@0Russia0 You did not say anything correctly. There is not Polish terror if Soviets killed more Ukrainians and Lithuanians then Poles did. Poland had more allies in the Polish-Soviet War then the Soviets.
@GaullistFan How many killed by the Soviets? In one of only Polish prisoners were killed 200 000 people. Certainly the Poles had allies. This is called the intervention in a country where a civil war.
Only in Russia have internal problems like the jackal already at the borders
@buildingeverything Look where Gaullisstfan, to me a little funny when people from far away suddenly thinks he knows better the history of my country. Given that I 1917 - 1939 was interested in and know what to say. I know that the Poles have always tips to blame.
But intervention in the internal affairs of another state is always aggression.
@FreiNemmersdorf Wait, when did that family get "kicked out" or Prussia? Plus I don't think a whole 52% or the US population was actually true, that number just seems high...
The numbers of of men fighting against the axis was very important, but Soviet industry that made weapons was just as important. If the Russians didnt have tanks, planes, and other heavy weapons they would loose. The germans were the most industiralized country and most advanced at the time.
Some of the germans in here are still very proud, and with a sense of accomplishment that germany defeated an unindustrialized country. Thank God for Comarade Stalin and the glorious Red Army, now Poland is at the Odra and they got most of the historic Balto-Slavic Prussian land.
@CSHOOLIGAN Thank God for Stalin? Why he kept him under rule for so long. The Poles were one of the only not to back down to the little mad man. And if it wasnt for constant allied bombing!!!!! The Red Army was able to move toward Germany. Had the Fuhrer ignore his homeland and started Barbrosa 3 weeks earlier they woulf have beat the Red Army
@dannywodniak I dont know what you mean exactly. My view of Stalin might be different than the most other people. The only good thing Stalin did was rapid industrialization, this is what won the war.
no not realy becase sometimes they have more terrible ways or less so i think it might be a littel different so i would have too say no they do not think all the same victoelepanto and i agrre with u they argree haters
@HeiligesReich2 come whore and a I will do it to you...fucken germans lost most land to Poland and won the war only thanks to Soviets because they could not do the job by themselves...and you whore go up to any Polish male and say that and we will see if you live another minute...you scum of a sub-human the Germans sould have been exterminated after the war they lost...you stupid fuck whore!!!
@IustitiaPax yes today still there are 200 000 'poles' in Lithuania with Lithuanian family names...Lithuanians called themselves poles because catholicism was polish with polish language and they were catholics, so that meanbs they were and poles and Lithuanians at the same time, like Belarussians are Lithuanians and slavians at the same time because they were force to change ancient Baltic-Lithuanian pagan religion to slavic-greek christianity and now they even think that they always were slavs
No discofaggot, im not dead. It's just that my life is too exciting to be argueing with a piece of lithuanian dirt like you. Unlike you i have got things to do and people to see. You got no life you fucking lithuanian swine. And what is lithuania anyways, a fucking shithole nobody even considers to be civilised. You pigs are on top of the garbage heap. Oh yea, did you go dance your faggot ass away on saturday discofaggot? Ta ta, smell you later......... cocksucker :D
all of you must read LOCAL LITHUANIAN-PRUSSIAN WRITER VYDUNAS (en wikipedia org/wiki/Vydūnas) 'seven centuries of relations between germans and lithuanians' (foto delfi lt/picture/170127/) and spanish king Alfonso X annals...then you will stop talking some myths about Prussians and Pomeranians...he even does not mention Prussians because it is the same as Lithuanians, like krokuvians and lodzians.
@IustitiaPax but all those Goths are different ethnic groups some of them germans, some of them Belarus people, some of them Prussians, some Ukrainians, some francs and so on, the name mismatch is occuring everywhere, even todays russia is a fake name because real Russians or Rus people were nowadays Ukrainians, like Prussians are not germans, but Lithuanians and so on...stealing the name is very popular when u want to fake history
@IustitiaPax with Goths are already clear that they were Lithuanians (de Rosales proved this recently in spanish archives she found the confirmation that those Goths were Baltic tribe and not germanic), of cause later Goths were called and germanic tribe...it is two different Gothic or Gethic tribes, like and Gaul (France), Galindia (Prussia and Lithuania-russia) and Galicia (Spain and Ukraine) are all the same Lithuanian words for the 'end land' (like finland), but
@discouniverse Goths are Lithuanians, East Prussians are Lithuanians, Swedish are Lithuanians, Latvians are Lithuanians? You have a silly worldview. Prussians, Latvians are NOT Lithuanians, and Poles are NOT Lithuanians, and Belarus is NOT Lithuania. Assimilation happened. The Goths were a Germanic tribe and their language is East Germanic, I can understand it being from Holland. Stop KIDDING me. Stop spreading lies and MYTHS about objective historical science.
@IustitiaPax no stupid swedes are not Lithuanians, poles are NOT Lithuanians and of cause krakowians are NOT poles...but Prussians and Latvians are Lithuanians!!! they separated from Lithuania by force first by crusades, then they joined Lithuania for 300 years and then russians separated us once again and that caused a distinct ethnic group formation and a little bit different language formation and then Lithuanians declared independence while Latvians even were occupied by russians or germans
@IustitiaPax do you know troll that Latvians consists of the same ethnic groups like Lithuanians?Kuronians, Semigalians, Selonians and Latgalians?Do you know that Daugavpilis was Lithuanian city and we exchanged it to Palanga?do you know that the border between Lithuania and Latvia is the same border as with crusaders and Lithuania?if Lithuanians would be like slavs they would be restored independent Lithuania with Latvia included, but we do not need all Baltic lands who belongs to Balts
@IustitiaPax we need those Baltic lands who belongs to slavs...Prussians were exterminated by poles and russians after wwII and their lands were annexed by occupants slavs who replaced germanic occupants
@discouniverse Germanic occupants? From 1250 until 1946, the population of East Prussia was German-speaking, with some minor Baltic Prussian words, some Masurian Slavic language speakers, but all pro-Germany, and all assimilated into the German people voluntarily. Germany was not an 'occupant'. And I may remind you that the Landkreis Tilsit voters in 1933 all voted NSDAP. Those were of Lithuanian Medieval ancestry! Like Masurians voted 76.6 % NSDAP in 1932.
@IustitiaPax in 18th century after bubonic plague epidemy 2/3 of Prussians-Lithuanians died out and germans colonised this land mostly from saxony, from that moment on germans made up majority in Pomerania and 1/3 of inhabitants in East Prussia...voters didn't understand at that time that hitler will be maniac...even you would vote for him in 1932
@discouniverse No, Prussian Lithuanians were assimilated. They did not "die out". Just like some Vilnius region Lithuanians became Poles, Prussian Lithuanians became Germans. And they have the right to live there. Not foreign Lithuanian Trolls Invaders.
@IustitiaPax you are just an idiots, 50% of all Prussians fled Prussia and settled down in Lithuania. There are hundreds of villages in Lithuania still showing where they settled down, that means that Lithuanian nation and is old Lithuanians, old Prussians, old Samogitians and old Yatviagians...that is Lithuanian nation and all those ethnic territories must belong to Lithuania you stupid. I'm myself Yatviagian and we hate some stupid Samogitians who wants some independence...from themselves??
@discouniverse Discussion is over. You repeat and repeat Lithuanian historical nationalist 19th century MYTHS and INVENTIONS. Baltic Prussians were assimilated into the German people, as were Masurians and many Kashubians by 1930. And Pomerania was never, never Lithuanian or Baltic. It was a West Slavic people, assimilated into the German people like the Obodrites. And Pomeranians had Germanic DNA and language substrate and Danish influence too.
@IustitiaPax Baltic Prussians in 1918 declared independence from germany and joined Lithuania you stupid prick, you know nothing about history of this land
@IustitiaPax I repeate you once again were germanic Goths and were nongermanic Goths.if you are not stupid then you must know that once in the annals were written that germanic tribes were in the whole land of todays Lithuania, Belarus and Latvia,it was just a common name for nonromans.Belarus was created 200 years ago when ruski occupied whole Lithuania, so Belarus IS and always was Lithuania, just today they are rusified and even started to speak not their own language but russian language
@IustitiaPax Lugii, Rugii and other -ii r 1000% Lithuanian tribes with Lithunian amount ending -iai.e.g. if you have Rugys, then multiple of Rugys will be Rugiai or Latin form Rugii, like and Lietuviai (Lithuanians) would be Lietuvii, Suduviai - Sudovii or in english Sudovians and so on, Lugii are the same as poles :) in Lithuanian language because Laukas means field, like and in russia they have 'Velikie Luki' that is for sure not great-wast onions, but wast fields (luga in slavic is field too)
@IustitiaPax you are indeed clever man, sorry for my hatered :) actualy Herodotus wrote that Pomeranians were Neruvians like and Lithuanians, and poles lived to the east from them...and Neruavians were the same people as Scythians (nowadays Ukrainians), but poles were different, like and russians who were Gelvons living in the Lithuanian tribe land of Budins (around moscow till today that land is Lithuanian land and still there lives Galinds or Goliads mentioned in 13th century by russians).
lustitiaPax Accusing me of being a professional blogger in the pay of the Israeli foreign office tells us a lot about you! You are desperate!! You have rattled off a load of false "history" and gone through every rhetorical distortion here to exonerate Hitler from any culpability in causing WWII. You have slandered the Poles, the Russians, the Brits, and especially people of Jewish extraction to peddle your neo-nazi ideology. I pray that no one will be fooled!
@IustitiaPax Kaganovich was a Party functionary; Ehrenburg was a gifted writer. Neither was EVER in the OGPU or NKVD. Most political officers in in the Red Armed Forces were NOT Jewish! Cite me your evidence for this! If anything Jews were under-represented in the security services. You are too an anti-semite! If you were not, why would you make wildly inaccurate, unsubstantiated and provocative statements like this ?
lustitiaPax has accused me of being a paid agent, presumably of Jews. I was unaware that there were paid agents on these boards. Never heard of it. And the fact that this accusation was hurled at me makes me wonder of lustitiaPax might be a paid agent himself. Working for some fundamentalist Islamic sect, perhaps. Whatever, lustitiaPax is a nasty piece of work.
@mc0558 No, I unmasked you as a foreign-based, foreign-living, paid blogger and entry writer for the Israeli Foreign Ministry. I know people there (I have Jewish friends you know), and I know how in 2009 Gaza War they paid 20 $ million to have bloggers "refute" dissident views. You act as if you do not know this, but I tend not to believe you. You follow their strategy and exactly resemble other "writers" in youtube.
@IustitiaPax You stupid asshole, I am a historian who feels a responsibility to unmask idiots like you who pretend to a historical knowledge they do not possess in order to persuade people to their fascist, neo-nazi and anti-semitic ideology. I am not a blogger. I am paid for this. I have not links to the Israeli government. The fact that you accuse me of all this makes me suspect you of something of this sort, perhaps working for Arab princes (if so, they aren't getting their money's worth).
@IustitiaPax These so called provocations were thorough investigated at the Nuremberg trials and the fact that they were staged Nazi propaganda efforts, using bodies dressed in appropriate garb taken from the concentration camps, was documented. Look it up!
@IustitiaPax He signed the Non-Aggression Pact with the Poles; he signed the Non-Aggression Pact with the Soviets. Conclusion? He was a Non-Aggressive kind of guy? Please! His signature on a treaty meant N-O-T-H-I-N-G ! There were just stepping stones to the realization of his programme: securing his rear while he carved out an empire eastwards to the Volga River.
Listen at 3.28. can each live their lif in their own way. danzig was 95% german, and the Danzigers wanted to return to Germany. no one thinks about that. If poland had just gave danzig to the germans than the whole war could of been avoided, but they had the assurance from the british( who wanted a war) that they would help if poland was attacked. britian ultimately caused the war.
@OMAN88HH But Danzig was not the issue! Danzig belonged to the League of Nations, not Poland. Lean your history before you preach nonsense. The point was that Germany presented Poland with demands related to the Corridor in the form of an ultimatum. Poland refused to be dictated to. Britain would probaby have pressured Poland to negotiate, but Hitler's belligerent manner upset them too. Fact is, HITLER wanted war and he got it!
@mc0558 hitler said he never wanted war. obviously Danzig was placed under League of Nations "protection", with special economic-related rights reserved for Poland. i meant that poland had the power to give the town to germany along with corridor. they probably would have if the british didnt say they would help poland. its not nonsense just another way at looking at it.
@OMAN88HH "Hitler said. . . . " He never wanted war, but he broke the Munich agreement by occupying Prague. He demanded territorial concessions from thePoles and attacked that country. He invaded Den & Norway, the Benelux countries and France. He attacked Russia, and he declared war on the USA. But he said he never wanted war. That's what he said. Didn't he say that?
The Munich Agreement was not broken. And who invaded Zaolzie? O, yes, Poland in 1938. Prague was left to Hitler by Czechoslovak state president Edvard Benes in March 1939, because the Slovak people had declared independence from the Czech-dominated government during meeting in their capital Bratislava (Pressburg). You twist and falsify history. The 1940 war acts are only strategic consequences.
@IustitiaPax The Munich agreement guaranteed the independence and integrity of the Czechoslovak rump state. What ever Slovakia did, did not give Hitler the right to seize Prague, contrary to his promises to Britain, France and to the Czechs. Yes, I know the Poles stupidly seized Teschen.
Hitler made his territorial intentions clear in Mein Kampf. He thought he could bully the rest of us into bowing to his wishes but discovered to his distress that he couldn't. I twist and falsify nothing.
@mc0558 You never read Mein Kampf. Many thoughts from My Struggle were abandoned by Hitler in 1933. In 1934 non-Aggression pact. Hitler stated that his 1924 book was written under impression of the Polish annexation of Upper Silesia, Korfanty, and French occupation of Rhineland. All outdated by 1937 or 1938. He never wrote about war against Poland BTW. Dr. Emil Hácha in 1939 agreed to take Germans as "protective power" over Czech lands as Protectorate. Blame legitimate state president Hácha.
@IustitiaPax I read Mein Kampf years ago. How you can say he abandoned those ideas when they transpired exactly as he said they should (Austria, Bohemia & Moravia, France before Russia, etc)? Dr. Hacha was summoned to Berlin--and made his request for "protection from there". Schusschnigg (whom I met as a boy) had the same pressures put on him but managed to get away and call for a plebiscite, which Hitler prevented by invading. You are a Hitlerite, Sir !
@mc0558 Adolf Hitler explicitly said and did things contrary to Mein Kampf. It was WW1 rhetorics and German nationalism. You can call me a Hitlerite, I am not. I sympathize with Schusschnigg and Dollfuß' fate, but I condemn falsification of history. Hitler wanted only a united Germany, and if necessary an alliance against Communism.
@IustitiaPax Hitler said many contrary things to put people off the track, knowing that if they knew him for what he was they would run in the opposite direction. But here is a man who wrote out a detailed program and then, as events proved, executed that program almost to the letter. And you tell me that this program was rejected. YOU ARE MISTAKEN! As for the Dutch, unfortunately many of them swollowed the "Aryan message" hook, line and sinker, but not your Queen!
@mc0558 Hitler never followed his programme to the letter. Hitler in 1934 already rejected his programme by the Non-Aggression Pact with Poland and fine relations with Pilsudski. And please do not think I will allow you as a professional lobbyist to convince me. You are a paid agent.
@mc0558 You twist and falsify everthing, because you are not neutral. I do not blame all Polis people for the 1939 war provocations, nor do I blame all German people for the Shoah victims. Only leadership and minority. In 1939, Slovak independence made Emil Hácha submit Czech lands as Protectorate to Hitler Germany. It was strategic: the French and British war parties could make Czechs attack Germany too, in case of war. German Abwehr knew that.
@mc0558 No, why could not Poland give Danzig to Germany, where Danzig's population wanted to go? Because of Polish Nationalism, Polish chauvinism and Polish silly militaristic regime of 1935-39? As for the 1940 invasions: the British and French invaded Norway too in 1940, but Germans were quicker. Denmark and the Benelux invasions were violations of neutrality, but my Dutch government had secret pacts with Britain to allow invasion. So Germany strategically had to attack us to crush France.
@mc0558 Hitler never 'attacked' the Soviet Union in 1941. Stalin and the USSR had built up a massive invasion army of over 10 million soldiers. That is why the Wehrmacht took 4 million POWs in the early weeks of the war. Stalin planned a first strike against Hitler and western Europe, weakened by the wars. German war production was low still in 1941, and in 1939 it was véry low (and yet the Germans took Poland because France remained passive).
@IustitiaPax Hitler never attacked the Soviet Union in June 1941. Ah! Orwellian "new think" I presume. Stalin had many plans but in 1941, his main plan was to keep Hitler as satisfied with him as possible. Triumphant everywhere, Stalin was scared to death of the Wehrmacht! But of course he knew Hitler would attack eventually but thought not until Britain was subdued.
@mc0558 Read Viktor Suvorov and SMAD, KGB, MGB etc. agents and plans all confirm what I said. Why do you think German Resistance men in Wehrmacht all were convinced, that Germany did a preventive strike against invasion power USSR in June, 1941? It was true! USSR wanted to attack Germany while British-German conflict escalated. And you know what, from April 1941, USA provided USSR with war deliveries of LEnd-Lease Act.
@IustitiaPax Why do you listen to Suvorov? He's a mountebank and posseur. It isn't even his real name. Clearly Stalin hated Hitlerism and bided his time, waiting for the best opportunity (he reckoned 1942) to take a part in pulling him down. So what? Good for him! But in 1941, he was doing everything to please Hitler, refusing to take defensive measures when warned of the German attack for fear of displeasing Hitler. Br-Ger conflict esculated? In 1941 Britain could do nothing!
@mc0558 Viktor Suvorov is not the only one who wrote on this subject. Dr. hist. Stefan Scheil proved this too, as did all historians who researched the strategies. But I guess attacking the messenger is easier than criticizing the message. Historical truth cannot be refuted, but you are only ideologically motivated. I am not. I do not need to exempt Nazism, like you want to justify the Allied cause as a sacred "war for democracy".
@IustitiaPax I do not know Schell, but I know most of the scholarship on his subject. I also know Suvorov, a crackpot. You are not the first to be misled by him. He is like that crackpot the Austrians sent to the slammer, David Irving. Read Overy's work; it is solid scholarship and superbly written, and I agree with you that historical truth cannot be refuted.
@mc0558 Stefan Scheil. Suvorov is a crackpot, and I am an antisemite. Your arguments are so "reliable" and of high quality. Your "history" is nothing but ideological propaganda. So be it. I have no interest in convincing paid agents online.
@IustitiaPax Anyone who cd write: " the NKVD, Red ARmy etc. were all controlled by numerous Jews", as you did below could only be an antisemite. Beria controlled the NKVD. He was not Jewish. There were a few generals of Jewish background in the Red Army, but relatively few. And its great post-war Marshalls--Zhukov, Timochenko, Konev, Antonov, Chiukov, Bulganin--none were Jewish. But what if they were? Who cares? Who would even notice? An antisemite!
@mc0558 Kaganovich and all OGPU-NKVD leaders until 1939-1948 were Jewish. All. The entire Urzad Besp. in Poland (UB) was Jewish. These are facts. I never said, that all Soviet forces were Jewish. Of course not. But until late 1940s, most officers of politics in Red Army were Jewish. Ilyah Ehrenburg. I am speaking about political police. Facts cannot be antisemitic. I also state always, that Orthodox Haredi Jews rejected Communism.
@mc0558 Read Viktor Suvorov (Wiktor Suworow in Poland) and his books. Hitler Germany and German army leadership never planned nor wanted the campaign against Poland, but they could not but answer Polish aggression threats. The Germans knew, that if France and Poland would attack simultaneously, the German Army could not win. But the French Army knew: "Pourquoi mourir pour Dantzig?" Why die for Danzig, the population of which wants unanimously to join Germany?
@IustitiaPax Hitler never planned or wanted a war against Poland. The Wehrmacht just tumbled into Poland on September 1st from three directions by accident. Oops! What do you take us for? Btw, Danzig was pro Nazi but not unanimously so. My inlaws weren't, for example..
@mc0558 Germany attacked Poland in Sept 1939, because Poland was allied with Britain and France, and Germany was not strong enough to hold back a French/Polish joint invasion. Do you think Hitler as an anti-Communist liked to conclude the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact with USSR? Of course not. It was strategic emergency. And Poland provoked Germany. Until Sept 19, Polish papers claimed they were winning and France was marching to Hessia and Frankfurt.
@IustitiaPax Germany's propaganda war on Poland began as soon as H occupied Prague. Everyone knew that Poland's turn was next. H attacked to restore the bordersof 1914 and begin his eastern conquests. The Molotov - Ribbentrop Pact provided for 1914 borders; it was revised at Stalin's insistance on the 27th. Poland did not provoke Germany, and Polish papers said nothing of the kind on the19th! Warsaw fell on the16th and the Polish government left Poland the same day.
@mc0558 Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact speaks about spheres of influence only. Until Aug 23, 1939 and Polish mobilization, Hitler wanted to guarantee 1921 borders to Poland if it would allow a plebiscite in Danzig and a railroad and highway corridor to East Prussia. This is all facts, which you deny. Poland believed France and England would intervene, that is why they provoked Germany with hundreds of border violations and 50,000 ethnic Germans killed. Historical facts. You ignore inconvenient facts!
@IustitiaPax The August M-RP codicile stipulated the borders of 1914. In the event, Stalin didn't want to be boxed with H. H invaded Poland on the 1st; Stalin invaded on the 17th, when Warsaw had fallen and the Pol Govt had fled to London. Then S only went as far as the Curzon-Line. In the Sept M-RP codicile, Lithuania was exchanged by Germany in return for all of central and western Poland, Stalin refused to touch. As for P provocations--fiction! I've discussed that before.
@mc0558 I know about the exchanges on Lithuania, but the 1914 border agreements was revised on initiative of both sides. You refuse all border violation incidents, dead ethnic German civilians, Polish public threats of war in English media in May and July 1939 etc. etc. You are just preaching lies, lies, instead of keeping interest in ALL diplomatic sources and seeing the whole picture and German invasion on the context of Polish alliance with FR-UK.
The series of supposed Polish provocations were thoroughly investigated at the Nuremberg Trials, and the SS officer who arranged them told exactly how he did it. The bodies left at the various places were people shot-to-order at various concentration camps. They were a total German falsification. Lies, lies,lies--no less a figure that the Reichsprapagandaminister himself said that lies were what the Nazi regime was expert at.
@mc0558 Your inlaws? Kashubians? In Danzig, 99 % was pro-Nazi in 1939 and 99.9 % was pro-Germany, like in Marggrabowa/Oletzko (Treuburg, Olecko) in Masuria in 1920. Of course after 1945 and in 2010, no one of these was pro Nazi. They were all in Resistance. Sure. I know that kind of lies from Holland.
@IustitiaPax No, my inlaws were Germans who got out of Nazi Germany before the war started. The family was social democratic and hated Nazism from the beginning.
@mc0558 Only last word to you. Please note, that you are not again used by USA and NATO, like the Polish nationalist extremists in 1939, to provoke the ire of the Russian Army and Russian Federation in 2011, with Patriot missiles and US missiles on Polish (well, East Prussian, Mohrungen/"Morag" city) territory! Is Polish anti-Russian paranoia again used to provoke WW III in 2011? I hope not. I hope Jaroslaw Kaczynski thinks twice. He is a nice Catholic btw. But should be more peaceful.
@OMAN88HH Anything going to Germany was an international issue.
Look at Hitler! The uniforms, the marching, the antisemitism (Kristalnacht), he lebensraum drivvel in Mein Kampf. Does all that not tell you what Hitler was about? Can you not see WHY the British people demanded of their HM Government that the line be drawn in the sand and if Hitler crossed it then war to the end. It would have been better to drawn the line in 1936 or 38, but better in 39 than later.
@mc0558 Catherine the Great of Russia was also German, antisemitic and created Lebensraum for Volga Germans! So what? The WW2 British war against Germany was only for economic reasons. Germany became too powerful economically.
@mc0558 The british people you speak of, my people are now being invaded by mass immigration. breedding us out of our own country. i was in a london casino and i was the only white english person there out of around 200. I personnally love the hitler, his my leader and i will always see him as my leader. i thought it was amazing since i was 12, the marching, uniforms, racial purity. its beautiful to me. better than this crime,unemployment, immigrants of today.
@mc0558 What hitler did will never be accomplished again. he was a genius among men. bringing his people together, getting rid of unemployment,crime,racial defilement, mentally ill, jews. he had a vision of a perfect world and went for it. the other countries/jews could not stand that so prepared for war. heil hitler
@OMAN88HH Yes, it takes a genius to get 36 countries to go to war against you. Just as your Army is being hurled back at the gates of Moscow, the genius declares war on the United States (did he know the USA's steel production; oil and coal production?). It takes a genius to level his countries cities and leave it an impoverished, occupied and divided land. Unemployment went because of preparation for war! You are nothing but a Nazi pig waiting to have his throat slit!
@mc0558 Roosevelt constantly sought war with Germany, via Japan. The Dutch govt. from Jakarta alarmed the USA over Pearl Harbour attack and the deadline of Japanese conditions, but Roosevelt wanted war and let it happen. From April 1941, long before Japanese-American conflict in Dec 1941, Lend-Lease Agreement from the USA provided the USSR with tanks, trucks, war supplies. It was clear, the USA was a war mongerer back then.
@IustitiaPax Whether Roosevelt wanted war with Germany is irrelevant! Germany declared war on the USA, not the USA on Germany. You no doubt think FDR got into Hitlers brain and made him do it! Everything you say is an apologia for Hitler! The USA took payment for all the goods that it sent Britain until Britain was bankrupt (42); then it leased and lent us everything at interest. The USA gave us very little! I'm not compaining! But we paid them back everything in 2008.
@mc0558 Now it is irrelevant? It is a DETAIL, who declared war, as Roosevelt knew, that Germany and Japan and Italy were in an alliance. Roosevelt wanted war, and provided the USSR with materials long before Operation Barbarossa. April 1941, Lend Lease. By silencing the Japanese conditions late Nov 1941, and ignoring Dutch Indonesian warning to Washington DC, the Roosevelt administration wanted to use Pearl Harbor as a pretext. This is all well-known to every critical neutral historian.
@IustitiaPax You tell us that Roosevelt went to war against Hitler. I remind you of the inconvenient fact in your assertion that Hitler declared war on the US, not visa versa, and you say, that' irrelevant. A mere "detail". History is made up of details; either you know them or you are not a historian. Then you say that Roosevelt used Pearl Harbour as a pretext. . .to do what? You don't know your stuff, and you cobble together arguments out of sawdust! I am beginning to lose respect for you.
@mc0558 Have you answered any of my questions? No. You are a paid activist. You insist on the detail, of who in Dec 14, 1941 declared war first upon whom, when USA knew Japan was allied with Germany. And the USA were supplying USSR, UK and all enemies of Germany. The Dutch East Indies in 1941 warned the USA for Japanese conditions and air ship formations. Of course this was an accepted incident, welcomed by Roosevelt as a causa belli. He was interventionist. Well known.
@mc0558 I am not even talking about US deliveries to the UK, which were also clearly anti-German. But Roosevelt knew USSR and Stalin would attack; Maxim Litvinov was the ambassador and a friend of Morgenthau Jr. I do not defend Nazi crimes, I just tell the truth on geopolitical strategies and causes of the world war. I am not telling Italian faschism, Japanese imperialism and National-Socialism were such tolerant, liberal ideologies. But hypocrisy of UK and USA are so clear.
@IustitiaPax In you mind, two Jews at opposite ends of the earth must be entwined like two photons at opposite ends of the universe. Litvinov and Morgenthau were not friends! Roosevelt helped Britain and the USSR for one reason only: the Nazi conquest of Europe coupled with the Japanese conquest of Asia would leave the US isolated and in dire strategic circumstances. It was self-defence!
@mc0558 Vansittart, Baruch-Churchill combination, Lloyd George all wanted war against Germany to crush German economic autarky, and Roosevelt's helpers and wife all supported Communism, USSR and wanted to destroy Germany as such. My apologia is not for Hitler's dictatorship, but for Germans like Von Stauffenberg who were convinced that this war was provoked and necessary, and for Hungary etc. You are an ideologue. I am neutral, I want to see the big picture.
@mc0558 You are nothing but a name caller, who cannot provide but "argumentation" tought to you in schools and by tv propaganda. You do not know truth. That is why MI5 and CIA archives remain closed until 2065 on WW2 or are destroyed. German unemployment went because of foreign capital investing capital, and because Hitler refused to pay unjust, excessive WW1 reparations back to Entente. Rearmament was very small industry, and not responsible for reducing unemployment in Germany!
@IustitiaPax You must read Richard Overy's books on the German economy: The Road To War, 1989; The Nazi Economic Recovery, 1932-1938 1982;The Inter-War Crisis, 1919-1939, 1994; War and Economy in the Third Reich, 1994). Get off these pro Nazi fiction writers you're addicted to. There was some foreign investment, but most of the recovery was a Keynesian-style expenditure on weaponry. Read how he did it! By 1938, Germany was almost bankrupt. The conquest of other nations' assets was a way out.
@mc0558 Richard Overy only focuses on the rise of defence budget. Of course it rose and provided SOME work. But he denies the extra agricultural production, the ore production by the de-occupation of the Rhineland in 1936. This combined with efficient policy of the Nazis and investment obligations for German industrialists inside Germany, created the economic improving. If you only selectively focus on military production, you can conclude what you want politically.
@IustitiaPax Overy focuses on all aspects of the economy, not just the defense budget. There is every sign of economic problems in 37, including Goering's 'guns or butter' speech. A host of Volksgemeinsam programs were being scrapped. Wealth invested in weaponry don't turn a profit unless they are used to conquer other peoples' assets.
@mc0558 In 1938, Germany was not bankrupt at all. Nonsense. And it was UK fears over German-Italian-Arab-Iranian and Polish-Hungarian-Romanian central alliance, that made the war party strong in the UK and USA. 1942 invasion of Iran by UK-USSR, remember? You deflect attention from the big picture, as do these "professional" historians who are well-paid to selectively conclude things which are incorrect. Germany was not armed by 1939, still a weak army in Sept 1939.
@mc0558 Please note I am Dutchman, not German. But I want historical truth. Not Allied, Soviet, Polish propaganda 'history' like taught in today's faculties based on selective historical science. Like until 1970, WW1 was blamed on Germany and Austria-Hungary only, and no background and secret service activities were taken into account. Nazis reduced unemployment not by rearming. Until Dec 1943, German arms industry was smaller than USSR and UK!
@mc0558 Poland was constantly provoking, and in May 1939 the colonels' regime of Poland rejected prolongation of the Polish-German Non-Aggression Pact. Poland was used by the war party in Britain and France to provoke a new world war against Germany. The German demand of a referendum in Danzig was very legitimate, and had been done in the Saarland too. All wanted to go home to Germany. You only accept democracy if the outcome pleases YOU?
@IustitiaPax These so called provocations were thorough investigated at the Nuremberg trials and the fact that they were staged Nazi propaganda efforts, using bodies dressed in appropriate garb taken from the concentration camps, was documented. Look it up!
@mc0558 Hitler never wanted the war with Poland, nor a pact with the USSR in the end. Hitler wanted alliance with Poland, like he made in 1941 with the Baltic states' governments, with Slovakia and Hungary. But Polish anti-German extremism provoked the war and provoked Hitler.Over hundred Polish border violations are proven facts, between Aug 23 and Aug 31. On Sept 3, Hitler proposed peace to England, and withdrawal from invaded Poland still.
@OMAN88HH But who cares about democracy? The Anglo-Americans and liberal French only want democracy, if the result pleases them. Who cares about democracy in the dictatorship of Saudi Arabia? But the democratic elections in Iran (64 % for Ahmadinejad, like polls by European observers had suggested months before!) were sabotaged. Danzig's democratic vote was ignored. By Versailles, League of Nations and used for war by Polish extremists radicalized by British and French war parties.
@OMAN88HH I do not hate democracy. Democratic nations however are not intrinsically more just and peaceful than dictatorships. The example of 19th century USA imperial enterprises compared to peaceful Nepal and Paraguay dictatorship is clear. In 1939, the British war party wanted war. Many in the population of Britain did not want war either. Nor in the USA. They sought pretexts: Danzig-Westerplatte, Pearl Harbor. And Hitler fill into this pit, a geostrategical fool.
@OMAN88HH, The Polish people wanted no war either, but the 30 % radicalized minority of Poles wanted war to annex and 'polonize' Silesia, Neumark, even the area of Berlin as 'ancient Slavic lands for Poland'. The Poles were beaten by plebiscites in democracy over and over, 1920 in Silesia and Warmia, 1935 in Saarland etc. etc. Also Pilsudski was more peaceful dictator, Józef Beck, Rydz-Smigly and other Polish leaders were war mongerers after 1937.
@OMAN88HH I hate Nazi pigs! I curse your mother for giving birth to you. And I am ashamed to think that we have creatures like you in Britain. Please, move to Germany; move to Iran; move anywhere; get out and leave use racial polluters to get on with our lives. Don't soil us with your presence or contaminate the air with your breathing. Go!
@mc0558 Throat slit, you jews like to do that to animals dont you. well the animal dont fight back. This is my county you racist, and i will not tolorate your genocide ways no more you anti white jew racist. the people are awakening. the white race will not go extinct but rally together and take our country back. i curse all you racists who try and destroy other races, and take their land. and ask them to GO! the cheek of it. NO heil hitler
@OMAN88HH It is typical of you ignorant, antisemitic, racist, Nazi SOB's to assume that those who despise you and who will fight you till their dying breadth must be Jews. The only people who would hate everything you stand for must be Jews. Couldn't be any other way! Well, I'm not and I can tell you that there are millions of gentiles who feel the same. You're a disgrace to Britain! Go where there are other vermin like you. We do not want to see your ugly face!
Who instigated Russian Bolshevism to attack Germans in East Prussia? Even making Adolf appeal to The League of Nations! Namely The Bromberg Massacre. damn zionists, not blaming the Jews individually. Why did neville Chamberlain offer Poland a War Guarantee for help when post WWI UK was bankcrupt & had only three fighting divisions.
To think WWII started over Danzig makes me sick to the bone.. Well done my country britain:((
WWI was started over Danzig
Domdeone1 2 months ago
@Domdeone1 It was not a zionist action, it was a polish action, that murder of Bromberg, the jews had nothing to do with that polish cruelty, the jews had to suffer as much from the poles as from the germans. don`t be antisemitic....
ursus911 1 month ago
Poland was fighting both Germany & Russia at the same time on two fronts!!! An impossible task something the allies never had to do , if it wasn't for the brave Polish Pilots in the Battle of Britain and the 8th Army & Navy we would have been fucked!!! The Polish army never surrendered they fought in exile in Britain, Europe, Africa & the Middle East, after the war Polish forces were to help the Americans fight the Japs but the Hirosima bomb saved more needless lives.
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Haha! The top polish governement from the top downward had already fled Warsawa, like rats from a sinking ship, by the time the Red Army advanced westward.
They left their armies without orders. In the battlefield, the proud polish officers where the first ones to desert, good thing Hitler (yes, Hitler, not Stalin) gave them justice, even if it wasn´t his job to shoot the ennemie´s deserters.
If it wasn´t for Stalin, Poland would be history today.
Fridaey13txhOktober 1 month ago
Poland was fighting both Germany & Russia at the same time on two fronts!!! An impossible task something the allies never had to do , if it wasn't for the brave Polish Pilots in the Battle of Britain and the 8th Army & Navy we would have been fucked!!! The Polish army never surrendered they fought in exile in Britain, Europe, Africa & the Middle East, after the war Polish forces were to help the Americans fight the Japs but the Hirosima bomb save more needless lives.
georgenorthwood 3 months ago
Germany was getting tooled up for a modern war Britain, France & Poland were caught napping, when the British forces landed at Dunkirk they started to "dig-in" same as WW1 the old tanks etc were no match to fight a modern war!!! Germany attacked Poland from the west on the 1st Sept then Russia attacked from the East on the 17th Sept Poland was promised help from her allies but none was given!!! Without the help of the brave Polish pilots, Soldiers and Sailors we would have been overwhelmed.
georgenorthwood 3 months ago
With all of their technical and engineering genius, with all of their military power and powerful politicians (Kaisers and Fuhrer) Germany only managed to START wars, but never actually WIN them.
Deutsch Reich = futsch Reich
BcallingDB 6 months ago
@BcallingDB
you retard, France and England started more wars in this world than all other coutnries combined.
shitonMOHAMMAD 4 months ago
@shitonMOHAMMAD
True, and unlike the Germans, the French and English won many of those wars that they started. It must be embarrassing to face the fact that ze great Reich was lost due to your own doing.
BcallingDB 4 months ago
@BcallingDB
first, you brain dead MORON, I am not a German. Second RETARD, you don't understand the implications of these wars. Britain and France are parasites and theys tarted globalism and corporatism, and the exploitation of the world's ressources with the help of jew financiers. Germany was the last bastion of nationalism, individual identity and the enemy of globalist corporatism. You're too stupid to understand. How does it feel to be a mo...moo...moron?
shitonMOHAMMAD 4 months ago
@shitonMOHAMMAD Angry much there, dude? If you are the prime example of someone who extolls German virtues from this era, than I am not surprised that most people have grown to hate them.
BcallingDB 4 months ago 7
@BcallingDB you are right, Germany lost two times, but they didn`t start the two WWs. They were the victim of british, american and partly french plans......
ursus911 1 month ago
@ursus911 Germany tried to be imperialistic and got their asses kicked for it by other imperialist powers. Boo hoo. In short, the Germans happily played with fire and got burned. Too bad for them. If they start another world war, Berlin will probably end up in Poland. Lmfao.
BcallingDB 1 month ago 2
@BcallingDB And Poland is the peaceful Nation, democratic, friendly and goodwilling with its minorities, has never been aggressive against its neighbours? Where do you live? It cant be that aggressive antisemitic anti german and anti democratic Poland which showed itself between 1919-39 and still does today with the PISbrothers and their faschistic bandits.....
ursus911 1 month ago
@ursus911 Lol... you're not really mr. current events, are you? PiS is pretty much gone, one of the Kaczynski brothers is dead, party support is waning. No matter what Poland did to assert itself after 126 years of occupation still pales when compared to what the German did, but I have never been one for believing Goebbels, anyway.
Now, German-Polish relations are the best that they have ever been, but butthurt imperialists still can't face the fact that their Reich LOST the war.
BcallingDB 1 month ago 2
@BcallingDB May be the relations are good at the moment, but with a new government, that could change fast. At the moment, the polish animosity against Germany is sleeping under the surface, but when there are small differences in policy or economy that could change very fast. Dont misunderstand, a poland that stands to its history AND its crimes would be my favorite......
ursus911 1 month ago
@ursus911 The animosity goes both ways. For one, Poles in Germany do not have minority status still after Goering took it away in 1940. In Poland, however, Germans were granted minority status in 1990 and have one guaranteed seat in the parliament. Street signs in several towns are bilingual. Sure, there is animosity, but there is much being done in Poland to overcome it even if there still are idiots who vandalize German language schools by spray painting swastikas.
BcallingDB 1 month ago
@BcallingDB Thats exactly what I meant, but that still could change. When I sea what Newspaper still publish with anti German motives and articles, it is difficult to believe in a durable and pressure enduring friendly relationship. Sorry, but Im pessimistic in the long run and not because of the German Society. There is a german joke, who says an new inavasion of poland in the next years is impossible because of lack of geography knowledge. Present Germany is just not interested inP
ursus911 1 month ago
Speaking of 'terror instilled by the people' and atrocities, here is some 'terror' by the 'freedom-loving allies' for the media brainwashed 'kids' to learn:
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MrDhmike 7 months ago 3
I love how people come on saying "Sieg Heil" and all that trash and they have no idea of the terror instilled by the people who spoke those simple and moronic words.
EthanFrankMarshall 8 months ago
@EthanFrankMarshall Kids
DaManzMoney 7 months ago
Die beste Maxime über Polen.
"Generalgouvernement muß ein so deutsches Land werden wie das Rheinland"
bey Adolf Hitler
HeiligesReich2 8 months ago
Noch ist Polen nicht verloren
40 Polacks dislike this.
HeiligesReich2 9 months ago
seig hail
Bashgold 9 months ago
Didn't Stalin murder about 20 million of his own people? Difficult to think of anything good to say about him to be honest. He appeares to have been a vicious power-mad megalomaniac cast in the same mold as Mr Hitler.
gortmundy01 9 months ago
@gortmundy01 Except that Stalin made Russia into a modern country and Hitler tried to destroy it.
ElenaXVI 5 months ago
Wowwww, such a bogus video. Must be German propaganda!
Lomza96 10 months ago
@Lomza96 You too didnt read the description? Why does nobody does that?
MaestroFire 10 months ago
how is this german when its speaking english
Evilfisher 1 year ago
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This is rubbish!!! Thick as shit
vierka707 1 year ago
@Nebelwerfer89
Cant say u are any less handicapped with such a statement. They probably steal your food because u are a nazi-faggot.
groma080290 1 year ago
Haha right on! ;)
Kogle244 1 year ago
fuck the polish ! my polish house mates steal my food all the time and laugh like they're handicapped , truly inferior people that flood into other countries seeking to take over the culture
Nebelwerfer89 1 year ago
@Nebelwerfer89 Surprised or not, I knew a Indian and German who hanged out together, complete douchbags, if they came over (which one of my friends needed to invite them 'cause their parents were friends) they would jump on your table, break your pingpong ball, and then say they're sorry. Does that mean ever Indian and German are such aholes? of course not.
In the other hand if your judging an entire country, it's history, and culture by a couple people then you are an idiot.
buildingeverything 1 year ago
@Nebelwerfer89 well not all polish people are the same DUMBASS BITCH
mattsunboxingvids 11 months ago
@Nebelwerfer89
Bloody-minded grasping, avaricious and rapacious Krauts will never get rid of their Nazi murderous stigma !!!
fanaber70 11 months ago
Okay, everybody calm down now. Yes, Poland was sacraficed to apease Uncle Joe. Britian rolled over way to quick in order to apease Uncle Joe( look up phony war(the French were even worse, Get a spine you cheese eatin' surender monkeys)). Look up the term "polish diplomacy", it basicly means "Get off my porch f$ck#r, before I call the dogs" Post war Poland was totaley screwed, but if it wasn't for the D P P camps after the war, I wouldn't be here today.
jaymoe67 1 year ago 3
@FreiNemmersdorf I know people in my family who were almost killed by Germans so do not talk Nazi asshole! Poland became smaller after World War II because of you assholes and Soviets! Thanks a lot asshole!
GaullistFan 1 year ago
@GaullistFan Inappropriately to touch the Soviets in 1918 and in 1920 probably would not have become smaller. But, the truth, and would not have been more. =) My opinion in 1939 was deserved.
0Russia0 1 year ago
@0Russia0 I do not understand and single thing you just said. Learn to speak English moron.
GaullistFan 1 year ago
@GaullistFan Well maybe it's just so stupid that you can not read?
Even the dates you can understand what I said about the Polish terror.
0Russia0 1 year ago
@0Russia0 You did not say anything correctly. There is not Polish terror if Soviets killed more Ukrainians and Lithuanians then Poles did. Poland had more allies in the Polish-Soviet War then the Soviets.
GaullistFan 1 year ago
@GaullistFan How many killed by the Soviets? In one of only Polish prisoners were killed 200 000 people. Certainly the Poles had allies. This is called the intervention in a country where a civil war.
Only in Russia have internal problems like the jackal already at the borders
0Russia0 1 year ago 2
@0Russia0 no Gaullistfan is right, you do need to learn to write more properly.
buildingeverything 1 year ago
@buildingeverything Look where Gaullisstfan, to me a little funny when people from far away suddenly thinks he knows better the history of my country. Given that I 1917 - 1939 was interested in and know what to say. I know that the Poles have always tips to blame.
But intervention in the internal affairs of another state is always aggression.
0Russia0 1 year ago
@FreiNemmersdorf Wait, when did that family get "kicked out" or Prussia? Plus I don't think a whole 52% or the US population was actually true, that number just seems high...
buildingeverything 1 year ago
@FreiNemmersdorf
the industry was in overdrive the whole time that is my point about Stalin
CSHOOLIGAN 1 year ago
@FreiNemmersdorf
The numbers of of men fighting against the axis was very important, but Soviet industry that made weapons was just as important. If the Russians didnt have tanks, planes, and other heavy weapons they would loose. The germans were the most industiralized country and most advanced at the time.
CSHOOLIGAN 1 year ago
The Red Army did become impressive later though. They had a great hockey team even though they lost to a bunch of college kids in 1981.
Then came Ronald Reagan. HA HA.....greatest president ever !!!!
mtma10 1 year ago
@mtma10 When wher you born?(What's your B.D.?).
jaymoe67 1 year ago
09.05.1945
BaranovV 1 year ago
Some of the germans in here are still very proud, and with a sense of accomplishment that germany defeated an unindustrialized country. Thank God for Comarade Stalin and the glorious Red Army, now Poland is at the Odra and they got most of the historic Balto-Slavic Prussian land.
CSHOOLIGAN 1 year ago
@CSHOOLIGAN Thank God for Stalin? Why he kept him under rule for so long. The Poles were one of the only not to back down to the little mad man. And if it wasnt for constant allied bombing!!!!! The Red Army was able to move toward Germany. Had the Fuhrer ignore his homeland and started Barbrosa 3 weeks earlier they woulf have beat the Red Army
mtma10 1 year ago
@CSHOOLIGAN what the fuck r u sayin?
dannywodniak 1 year ago
@dannywodniak I dont know what you mean exactly. My view of Stalin might be different than the most other people. The only good thing Stalin did was rapid industrialization, this is what won the war.
CSHOOLIGAN 1 year ago
why is this nazi propaganda in English?
buildingeverything 1 year ago
@buildingeverything I dont know but u have a good point lad!
dannywodniak 1 year ago
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sieg heil! 88
SSironyouthSS 1 year ago 2
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This is the stupiest movie I have ever seen. LIE LIE LIE !
dannywodniak 1 year ago
no not realy becase sometimes they have more terrible ways or less so i think it might be a littel different so i would have too say no they do not think all the same victoelepanto and i agrre with u they argree haters
itachi8502 1 year ago
"Interdepency?" I've thought this was only a recent corruption. Well, totalitarians & all haters of human liberty always think the same.
VictorLepanto 1 year ago
Poland is too good countrry to exist in this stupid and worst world.
Therefore I wanna liberate all Polish lives from this miserable world.
The only good Poles is dead poles for this bad world.
HeiligesReich2 1 year ago
@HeiligesReich2 Are U STUPID or just drink too much?
dannywodniak 1 year ago
@dannywodniak lol
HeiligesReich2 1 year ago
@HeiligesReich2 come whore and a I will do it to you...fucken germans lost most land to Poland and won the war only thanks to Soviets because they could not do the job by themselves...and you whore go up to any Polish male and say that and we will see if you live another minute...you scum of a sub-human the Germans sould have been exterminated after the war they lost...you stupid fuck whore!!!
realdealforsure 1 year ago
@realdealforsure lol you are funny and stupid
The earth without human beings would be paradise.
HeiligesReich2 1 year ago
@HeiligesReich2 little NAZI sub-human fucekn rat...I am spitting at your face you little shit!!!
realdealforsure 1 year ago
Best 3 Polish state
1.Kingdom of Poland(1916)
2.General Gouvernement
3.Congress Poland or Peoples Republic of Poland
Axis or Central Powers had should won,If they had won, Central Europe of today would be better.
HeiligesReich2 1 year ago
@HeiligesReich2 and you should be dead the human race would be better off without low-lives like you fuck!!!
realdealforsure 1 year ago
@IustitiaPax yes today still there are 200 000 'poles' in Lithuania with Lithuanian family names...Lithuanians called themselves poles because catholicism was polish with polish language and they were catholics, so that meanbs they were and poles and Lithuanians at the same time, like Belarussians are Lithuanians and slavians at the same time because they were force to change ancient Baltic-Lithuanian pagan religion to slavic-greek christianity and now they even think that they always were slavs
discouniverse 1 year ago
@discouniverse
No discofaggot, im not dead. It's just that my life is too exciting to be argueing with a piece of lithuanian dirt like you. Unlike you i have got things to do and people to see. You got no life you fucking lithuanian swine. And what is lithuania anyways, a fucking shithole nobody even considers to be civilised. You pigs are on top of the garbage heap. Oh yea, did you go dance your faggot ass away on saturday discofaggot? Ta ta, smell you later......... cocksucker :D
OrzelBialy007 1 year ago
all of you must read LOCAL LITHUANIAN-PRUSSIAN WRITER VYDUNAS (en wikipedia org/wiki/Vydūnas) 'seven centuries of relations between germans and lithuanians' (foto delfi lt/picture/170127/) and spanish king Alfonso X annals...then you will stop talking some myths about Prussians and Pomeranians...he even does not mention Prussians because it is the same as Lithuanians, like krokuvians and lodzians.
discouniverse 1 year ago
@IustitiaPax but all those Goths are different ethnic groups some of them germans, some of them Belarus people, some of them Prussians, some Ukrainians, some francs and so on, the name mismatch is occuring everywhere, even todays russia is a fake name because real Russians or Rus people were nowadays Ukrainians, like Prussians are not germans, but Lithuanians and so on...stealing the name is very popular when u want to fake history
discouniverse 1 year ago
@IustitiaPax with Goths are already clear that they were Lithuanians (de Rosales proved this recently in spanish archives she found the confirmation that those Goths were Baltic tribe and not germanic), of cause later Goths were called and germanic tribe...it is two different Gothic or Gethic tribes, like and Gaul (France), Galindia (Prussia and Lithuania-russia) and Galicia (Spain and Ukraine) are all the same Lithuanian words for the 'end land' (like finland), but
discouniverse 1 year ago
@discouniverse Goths are Lithuanians, East Prussians are Lithuanians, Swedish are Lithuanians, Latvians are Lithuanians? You have a silly worldview. Prussians, Latvians are NOT Lithuanians, and Poles are NOT Lithuanians, and Belarus is NOT Lithuania. Assimilation happened. The Goths were a Germanic tribe and their language is East Germanic, I can understand it being from Holland. Stop KIDDING me. Stop spreading lies and MYTHS about objective historical science.
IustitiaPax 1 year ago
@IustitiaPax no stupid swedes are not Lithuanians, poles are NOT Lithuanians and of cause krakowians are NOT poles...but Prussians and Latvians are Lithuanians!!! they separated from Lithuania by force first by crusades, then they joined Lithuania for 300 years and then russians separated us once again and that caused a distinct ethnic group formation and a little bit different language formation and then Lithuanians declared independence while Latvians even were occupied by russians or germans
discouniverse 1 year ago
@IustitiaPax do you know troll that Latvians consists of the same ethnic groups like Lithuanians?Kuronians, Semigalians, Selonians and Latgalians?Do you know that Daugavpilis was Lithuanian city and we exchanged it to Palanga?do you know that the border between Lithuania and Latvia is the same border as with crusaders and Lithuania?if Lithuanians would be like slavs they would be restored independent Lithuania with Latvia included, but we do not need all Baltic lands who belongs to Balts
discouniverse 1 year ago
@IustitiaPax we need those Baltic lands who belongs to slavs...Prussians were exterminated by poles and russians after wwII and their lands were annexed by occupants slavs who replaced germanic occupants
discouniverse 1 year ago
@discouniverse Germanic occupants? From 1250 until 1946, the population of East Prussia was German-speaking, with some minor Baltic Prussian words, some Masurian Slavic language speakers, but all pro-Germany, and all assimilated into the German people voluntarily. Germany was not an 'occupant'. And I may remind you that the Landkreis Tilsit voters in 1933 all voted NSDAP. Those were of Lithuanian Medieval ancestry! Like Masurians voted 76.6 % NSDAP in 1932.
IustitiaPax 1 year ago
@IustitiaPax in 18th century after bubonic plague epidemy 2/3 of Prussians-Lithuanians died out and germans colonised this land mostly from saxony, from that moment on germans made up majority in Pomerania and 1/3 of inhabitants in East Prussia...voters didn't understand at that time that hitler will be maniac...even you would vote for him in 1932
discouniverse 1 year ago
@discouniverse No, Prussian Lithuanians were assimilated. They did not "die out". Just like some Vilnius region Lithuanians became Poles, Prussian Lithuanians became Germans. And they have the right to live there. Not foreign Lithuanian Trolls Invaders.
IustitiaPax 1 year ago
@IustitiaPax you are just an idiots, 50% of all Prussians fled Prussia and settled down in Lithuania. There are hundreds of villages in Lithuania still showing where they settled down, that means that Lithuanian nation and is old Lithuanians, old Prussians, old Samogitians and old Yatviagians...that is Lithuanian nation and all those ethnic territories must belong to Lithuania you stupid. I'm myself Yatviagian and we hate some stupid Samogitians who wants some independence...from themselves??
discouniverse 1 year ago
@discouniverse Discussion is over. You repeat and repeat Lithuanian historical nationalist 19th century MYTHS and INVENTIONS. Baltic Prussians were assimilated into the German people, as were Masurians and many Kashubians by 1930. And Pomerania was never, never Lithuanian or Baltic. It was a West Slavic people, assimilated into the German people like the Obodrites. And Pomeranians had Germanic DNA and language substrate and Danish influence too.
IustitiaPax 1 year ago
@IustitiaPax Baltic Prussians in 1918 declared independence from germany and joined Lithuania you stupid prick, you know nothing about history of this land
discouniverse 1 year ago
@IustitiaPax mazurians and kashubians are colonizators of this land...up to 1200 no slavic morons lived in these lands
discouniverse 1 year ago
@IustitiaPax I repeate you once again were germanic Goths and were nongermanic Goths.if you are not stupid then you must know that once in the annals were written that germanic tribes were in the whole land of todays Lithuania, Belarus and Latvia,it was just a common name for nonromans.Belarus was created 200 years ago when ruski occupied whole Lithuania, so Belarus IS and always was Lithuania, just today they are rusified and even started to speak not their own language but russian language
discouniverse 1 year ago
@IustitiaPax Lugii, Rugii and other -ii r 1000% Lithuanian tribes with Lithunian amount ending -iai.e.g. if you have Rugys, then multiple of Rugys will be Rugiai or Latin form Rugii, like and Lietuviai (Lithuanians) would be Lietuvii, Suduviai - Sudovii or in english Sudovians and so on, Lugii are the same as poles :) in Lithuanian language because Laukas means field, like and in russia they have 'Velikie Luki' that is for sure not great-wast onions, but wast fields (luga in slavic is field too)
discouniverse 1 year ago
@IustitiaPax you are indeed clever man, sorry for my hatered :) actualy Herodotus wrote that Pomeranians were Neruvians like and Lithuanians, and poles lived to the east from them...and Neruavians were the same people as Scythians (nowadays Ukrainians), but poles were different, like and russians who were Gelvons living in the Lithuanian tribe land of Budins (around moscow till today that land is Lithuanian land and still there lives Galinds or Goliads mentioned in 13th century by russians).
discouniverse 1 year ago
lustitiaPax Accusing me of being a professional blogger in the pay of the Israeli foreign office tells us a lot about you! You are desperate!! You have rattled off a load of false "history" and gone through every rhetorical distortion here to exonerate Hitler from any culpability in causing WWII. You have slandered the Poles, the Russians, the Brits, and especially people of Jewish extraction to peddle your neo-nazi ideology. I pray that no one will be fooled!
mc0558 1 year ago
@IustitiaPax Kaganovich was a Party functionary; Ehrenburg was a gifted writer. Neither was EVER in the OGPU or NKVD. Most political officers in in the Red Armed Forces were NOT Jewish! Cite me your evidence for this! If anything Jews were under-represented in the security services. You are too an anti-semite! If you were not, why would you make wildly inaccurate, unsubstantiated and provocative statements like this ?
mc0558 1 year ago
lustitiaPax has accused me of being a paid agent, presumably of Jews. I was unaware that there were paid agents on these boards. Never heard of it. And the fact that this accusation was hurled at me makes me wonder of lustitiaPax might be a paid agent himself. Working for some fundamentalist Islamic sect, perhaps. Whatever, lustitiaPax is a nasty piece of work.
mc0558 1 year ago
@mc0558 No, I unmasked you as a foreign-based, foreign-living, paid blogger and entry writer for the Israeli Foreign Ministry. I know people there (I have Jewish friends you know), and I know how in 2009 Gaza War they paid 20 $ million to have bloggers "refute" dissident views. You act as if you do not know this, but I tend not to believe you. You follow their strategy and exactly resemble other "writers" in youtube.
IustitiaPax 1 year ago
@IustitiaPax You stupid asshole, I am a historian who feels a responsibility to unmask idiots like you who pretend to a historical knowledge they do not possess in order to persuade people to their fascist, neo-nazi and anti-semitic ideology. I am not a blogger. I am paid for this. I have not links to the Israeli government. The fact that you accuse me of all this makes me suspect you of something of this sort, perhaps working for Arab princes (if so, they aren't getting their money's worth).
mc0558 1 year ago
@IustitiaPax These so called provocations were thorough investigated at the Nuremberg trials and the fact that they were staged Nazi propaganda efforts, using bodies dressed in appropriate garb taken from the concentration camps, was documented. Look it up!
mc0558 1 year ago
@IustitiaPax He signed the Non-Aggression Pact with the Poles; he signed the Non-Aggression Pact with the Soviets. Conclusion? He was a Non-Aggressive kind of guy? Please! His signature on a treaty meant N-O-T-H-I-N-G ! There were just stepping stones to the realization of his programme: securing his rear while he carved out an empire eastwards to the Volga River.
mc0558 1 year ago
@IustitiaPax I am suddenly unable to post any responses.
mc0558 1 year ago
Listen at 3.28. can each live their lif in their own way. danzig was 95% german, and the Danzigers wanted to return to Germany. no one thinks about that. If poland had just gave danzig to the germans than the whole war could of been avoided, but they had the assurance from the british( who wanted a war) that they would help if poland was attacked. britian ultimately caused the war.
OMAN88HH 1 year ago
@OMAN88HH But Danzig was not the issue! Danzig belonged to the League of Nations, not Poland. Lean your history before you preach nonsense. The point was that Germany presented Poland with demands related to the Corridor in the form of an ultimatum. Poland refused to be dictated to. Britain would probaby have pressured Poland to negotiate, but Hitler's belligerent manner upset them too. Fact is, HITLER wanted war and he got it!
mc0558 1 year ago
@mc0558 hitler said he never wanted war. obviously Danzig was placed under League of Nations "protection", with special economic-related rights reserved for Poland. i meant that poland had the power to give the town to germany along with corridor. they probably would have if the british didnt say they would help poland. its not nonsense just another way at looking at it.
OMAN88HH 1 year ago
@OMAN88HH "Hitler said. . . . " He never wanted war, but he broke the Munich agreement by occupying Prague. He demanded territorial concessions from thePoles and attacked that country. He invaded Den & Norway, the Benelux countries and France. He attacked Russia, and he declared war on the USA. But he said he never wanted war. That's what he said. Didn't he say that?
Anyway, Poland couldn't give Danzig to anyone!
mc0558 1 year ago
The Munich Agreement was not broken. And who invaded Zaolzie? O, yes, Poland in 1938. Prague was left to Hitler by Czechoslovak state president Edvard Benes in March 1939, because the Slovak people had declared independence from the Czech-dominated government during meeting in their capital Bratislava (Pressburg). You twist and falsify history. The 1940 war acts are only strategic consequences.
IustitiaPax 1 year ago
@IustitiaPax The Munich agreement guaranteed the independence and integrity of the Czechoslovak rump state. What ever Slovakia did, did not give Hitler the right to seize Prague, contrary to his promises to Britain, France and to the Czechs. Yes, I know the Poles stupidly seized Teschen.
Hitler made his territorial intentions clear in Mein Kampf. He thought he could bully the rest of us into bowing to his wishes but discovered to his distress that he couldn't. I twist and falsify nothing.
mc0558 1 year ago
@mc0558 You never read Mein Kampf. Many thoughts from My Struggle were abandoned by Hitler in 1933. In 1934 non-Aggression pact. Hitler stated that his 1924 book was written under impression of the Polish annexation of Upper Silesia, Korfanty, and French occupation of Rhineland. All outdated by 1937 or 1938. He never wrote about war against Poland BTW. Dr. Emil Hácha in 1939 agreed to take Germans as "protective power" over Czech lands as Protectorate. Blame legitimate state president Hácha.
IustitiaPax 1 year ago
@IustitiaPax I read Mein Kampf years ago. How you can say he abandoned those ideas when they transpired exactly as he said they should (Austria, Bohemia & Moravia, France before Russia, etc)? Dr. Hacha was summoned to Berlin--and made his request for "protection from there". Schusschnigg (whom I met as a boy) had the same pressures put on him but managed to get away and call for a plebiscite, which Hitler prevented by invading. You are a Hitlerite, Sir !
mc0558 1 year ago
@mc0558 Adolf Hitler explicitly said and did things contrary to Mein Kampf. It was WW1 rhetorics and German nationalism. You can call me a Hitlerite, I am not. I sympathize with Schusschnigg and Dollfuß' fate, but I condemn falsification of history. Hitler wanted only a united Germany, and if necessary an alliance against Communism.
IustitiaPax 1 year ago
@IustitiaPax Hitler said many contrary things to put people off the track, knowing that if they knew him for what he was they would run in the opposite direction. But here is a man who wrote out a detailed program and then, as events proved, executed that program almost to the letter. And you tell me that this program was rejected. YOU ARE MISTAKEN! As for the Dutch, unfortunately many of them swollowed the "Aryan message" hook, line and sinker, but not your Queen!
mc0558 1 year ago
@mc0558 Hitler never followed his programme to the letter. Hitler in 1934 already rejected his programme by the Non-Aggression Pact with Poland and fine relations with Pilsudski. And please do not think I will allow you as a professional lobbyist to convince me. You are a paid agent.
IustitiaPax 1 year ago
@mc0558 You twist and falsify everthing, because you are not neutral. I do not blame all Polis people for the 1939 war provocations, nor do I blame all German people for the Shoah victims. Only leadership and minority. In 1939, Slovak independence made Emil Hácha submit Czech lands as Protectorate to Hitler Germany. It was strategic: the French and British war parties could make Czechs attack Germany too, in case of war. German Abwehr knew that.
IustitiaPax 1 year ago
@mc0558 No, why could not Poland give Danzig to Germany, where Danzig's population wanted to go? Because of Polish Nationalism, Polish chauvinism and Polish silly militaristic regime of 1935-39? As for the 1940 invasions: the British and French invaded Norway too in 1940, but Germans were quicker. Denmark and the Benelux invasions were violations of neutrality, but my Dutch government had secret pacts with Britain to allow invasion. So Germany strategically had to attack us to crush France.
IustitiaPax 1 year ago
@mc0558 Hitler never 'attacked' the Soviet Union in 1941. Stalin and the USSR had built up a massive invasion army of over 10 million soldiers. That is why the Wehrmacht took 4 million POWs in the early weeks of the war. Stalin planned a first strike against Hitler and western Europe, weakened by the wars. German war production was low still in 1941, and in 1939 it was véry low (and yet the Germans took Poland because France remained passive).
IustitiaPax 1 year ago
@IustitiaPax Hitler never attacked the Soviet Union in June 1941. Ah! Orwellian "new think" I presume. Stalin had many plans but in 1941, his main plan was to keep Hitler as satisfied with him as possible. Triumphant everywhere, Stalin was scared to death of the Wehrmacht! But of course he knew Hitler would attack eventually but thought not until Britain was subdued.
mc0558 1 year ago
@mc0558 Read Viktor Suvorov and SMAD, KGB, MGB etc. agents and plans all confirm what I said. Why do you think German Resistance men in Wehrmacht all were convinced, that Germany did a preventive strike against invasion power USSR in June, 1941? It was true! USSR wanted to attack Germany while British-German conflict escalated. And you know what, from April 1941, USA provided USSR with war deliveries of LEnd-Lease Act.
IustitiaPax 1 year ago
@IustitiaPax Why do you listen to Suvorov? He's a mountebank and posseur. It isn't even his real name. Clearly Stalin hated Hitlerism and bided his time, waiting for the best opportunity (he reckoned 1942) to take a part in pulling him down. So what? Good for him! But in 1941, he was doing everything to please Hitler, refusing to take defensive measures when warned of the German attack for fear of displeasing Hitler. Br-Ger conflict esculated? In 1941 Britain could do nothing!
mc0558 1 year ago
@mc0558 Viktor Suvorov is not the only one who wrote on this subject. Dr. hist. Stefan Scheil proved this too, as did all historians who researched the strategies. But I guess attacking the messenger is easier than criticizing the message. Historical truth cannot be refuted, but you are only ideologically motivated. I am not. I do not need to exempt Nazism, like you want to justify the Allied cause as a sacred "war for democracy".
IustitiaPax 1 year ago
@IustitiaPax I do not know Schell, but I know most of the scholarship on his subject. I also know Suvorov, a crackpot. You are not the first to be misled by him. He is like that crackpot the Austrians sent to the slammer, David Irving. Read Overy's work; it is solid scholarship and superbly written, and I agree with you that historical truth cannot be refuted.
mc0558 1 year ago
@mc0558 Stefan Scheil. Suvorov is a crackpot, and I am an antisemite. Your arguments are so "reliable" and of high quality. Your "history" is nothing but ideological propaganda. So be it. I have no interest in convincing paid agents online.
IustitiaPax 1 year ago
@IustitiaPax Anyone who cd write: " the NKVD, Red ARmy etc. were all controlled by numerous Jews", as you did below could only be an antisemite. Beria controlled the NKVD. He was not Jewish. There were a few generals of Jewish background in the Red Army, but relatively few. And its great post-war Marshalls--Zhukov, Timochenko, Konev, Antonov, Chiukov, Bulganin--none were Jewish. But what if they were? Who cares? Who would even notice? An antisemite!
mc0558 1 year ago
@mc0558 Kaganovich and all OGPU-NKVD leaders until 1939-1948 were Jewish. All. The entire Urzad Besp. in Poland (UB) was Jewish. These are facts. I never said, that all Soviet forces were Jewish. Of course not. But until late 1940s, most officers of politics in Red Army were Jewish. Ilyah Ehrenburg. I am speaking about political police. Facts cannot be antisemitic. I also state always, that Orthodox Haredi Jews rejected Communism.
IustitiaPax 1 year ago
@mc0558 Read Viktor Suvorov (Wiktor Suworow in Poland) and his books. Hitler Germany and German army leadership never planned nor wanted the campaign against Poland, but they could not but answer Polish aggression threats. The Germans knew, that if France and Poland would attack simultaneously, the German Army could not win. But the French Army knew: "Pourquoi mourir pour Dantzig?" Why die for Danzig, the population of which wants unanimously to join Germany?
IustitiaPax 1 year ago
@IustitiaPax Hitler never planned or wanted a war against Poland. The Wehrmacht just tumbled into Poland on September 1st from three directions by accident. Oops! What do you take us for? Btw, Danzig was pro Nazi but not unanimously so. My inlaws weren't, for example..
mc0558 1 year ago
@mc0558 Germany attacked Poland in Sept 1939, because Poland was allied with Britain and France, and Germany was not strong enough to hold back a French/Polish joint invasion. Do you think Hitler as an anti-Communist liked to conclude the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact with USSR? Of course not. It was strategic emergency. And Poland provoked Germany. Until Sept 19, Polish papers claimed they were winning and France was marching to Hessia and Frankfurt.
IustitiaPax 1 year ago
@IustitiaPax Germany's propaganda war on Poland began as soon as H occupied Prague. Everyone knew that Poland's turn was next. H attacked to restore the bordersof 1914 and begin his eastern conquests. The Molotov - Ribbentrop Pact provided for 1914 borders; it was revised at Stalin's insistance on the 27th. Poland did not provoke Germany, and Polish papers said nothing of the kind on the19th! Warsaw fell on the16th and the Polish government left Poland the same day.
mc0558 1 year ago
@mc0558 Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact speaks about spheres of influence only. Until Aug 23, 1939 and Polish mobilization, Hitler wanted to guarantee 1921 borders to Poland if it would allow a plebiscite in Danzig and a railroad and highway corridor to East Prussia. This is all facts, which you deny. Poland believed France and England would intervene, that is why they provoked Germany with hundreds of border violations and 50,000 ethnic Germans killed. Historical facts. You ignore inconvenient facts!
IustitiaPax 1 year ago
@IustitiaPax The August M-RP codicile stipulated the borders of 1914. In the event, Stalin didn't want to be boxed with H. H invaded Poland on the 1st; Stalin invaded on the 17th, when Warsaw had fallen and the Pol Govt had fled to London. Then S only went as far as the Curzon-Line. In the Sept M-RP codicile, Lithuania was exchanged by Germany in return for all of central and western Poland, Stalin refused to touch. As for P provocations--fiction! I've discussed that before.
mc0558 1 year ago
@mc0558 I know about the exchanges on Lithuania, but the 1914 border agreements was revised on initiative of both sides. You refuse all border violation incidents, dead ethnic German civilians, Polish public threats of war in English media in May and July 1939 etc. etc. You are just preaching lies, lies, instead of keeping interest in ALL diplomatic sources and seeing the whole picture and German invasion on the context of Polish alliance with FR-UK.
IustitiaPax 1 year ago
The series of supposed Polish provocations were thoroughly investigated at the Nuremberg Trials, and the SS officer who arranged them told exactly how he did it. The bodies left at the various places were people shot-to-order at various concentration camps. They were a total German falsification. Lies, lies,lies--no less a figure that the Reichsprapagandaminister himself said that lies were what the Nazi regime was expert at.
mc0558 1 year ago
@mc0558 You mean Gleiwitz incident. That was not the border violations in thirty places.
IustitiaPax 1 year ago
@mc0558 Your inlaws? Kashubians? In Danzig, 99 % was pro-Nazi in 1939 and 99.9 % was pro-Germany, like in Marggrabowa/Oletzko (Treuburg, Olecko) in Masuria in 1920. Of course after 1945 and in 2010, no one of these was pro Nazi. They were all in Resistance. Sure. I know that kind of lies from Holland.
IustitiaPax 1 year ago
@IustitiaPax No, my inlaws were Germans who got out of Nazi Germany before the war started. The family was social democratic and hated Nazism from the beginning.
mc0558 1 year ago
@mc0558 Only last word to you. Please note, that you are not again used by USA and NATO, like the Polish nationalist extremists in 1939, to provoke the ire of the Russian Army and Russian Federation in 2011, with Patriot missiles and US missiles on Polish (well, East Prussian, Mohrungen/"Morag" city) territory! Is Polish anti-Russian paranoia again used to provoke WW III in 2011? I hope not. I hope Jaroslaw Kaczynski thinks twice. He is a nice Catholic btw. But should be more peaceful.
IustitiaPax 1 year ago
@OMAN88HH Anything going to Germany was an international issue.
Look at Hitler! The uniforms, the marching, the antisemitism (Kristalnacht), he lebensraum drivvel in Mein Kampf. Does all that not tell you what Hitler was about? Can you not see WHY the British people demanded of their HM Government that the line be drawn in the sand and if Hitler crossed it then war to the end. It would have been better to drawn the line in 1936 or 38, but better in 39 than later.
mc0558 1 year ago
@mc0558 Catherine the Great of Russia was also German, antisemitic and created Lebensraum for Volga Germans! So what? The WW2 British war against Germany was only for economic reasons. Germany became too powerful economically.
IustitiaPax 1 year ago
@mc0558 The british people you speak of, my people are now being invaded by mass immigration. breedding us out of our own country. i was in a london casino and i was the only white english person there out of around 200. I personnally love the hitler, his my leader and i will always see him as my leader. i thought it was amazing since i was 12, the marching, uniforms, racial purity. its beautiful to me. better than this crime,unemployment, immigrants of today.
OMAN88HH 1 year ago
@mc0558 What hitler did will never be accomplished again. he was a genius among men. bringing his people together, getting rid of unemployment,crime,racial defilement, mentally ill, jews. he had a vision of a perfect world and went for it. the other countries/jews could not stand that so prepared for war. heil hitler
OMAN88HH 1 year ago
@OMAN88HH Yes, it takes a genius to get 36 countries to go to war against you. Just as your Army is being hurled back at the gates of Moscow, the genius declares war on the United States (did he know the USA's steel production; oil and coal production?). It takes a genius to level his countries cities and leave it an impoverished, occupied and divided land. Unemployment went because of preparation for war! You are nothing but a Nazi pig waiting to have his throat slit!
mc0558 1 year ago
@mc0558 Roosevelt constantly sought war with Germany, via Japan. The Dutch govt. from Jakarta alarmed the USA over Pearl Harbour attack and the deadline of Japanese conditions, but Roosevelt wanted war and let it happen. From April 1941, long before Japanese-American conflict in Dec 1941, Lend-Lease Agreement from the USA provided the USSR with tanks, trucks, war supplies. It was clear, the USA was a war mongerer back then.
IustitiaPax 1 year ago
@IustitiaPax Whether Roosevelt wanted war with Germany is irrelevant! Germany declared war on the USA, not the USA on Germany. You no doubt think FDR got into Hitlers brain and made him do it! Everything you say is an apologia for Hitler! The USA took payment for all the goods that it sent Britain until Britain was bankrupt (42); then it leased and lent us everything at interest. The USA gave us very little! I'm not compaining! But we paid them back everything in 2008.
mc0558 1 year ago
@mc0558 Now it is irrelevant? It is a DETAIL, who declared war, as Roosevelt knew, that Germany and Japan and Italy were in an alliance. Roosevelt wanted war, and provided the USSR with materials long before Operation Barbarossa. April 1941, Lend Lease. By silencing the Japanese conditions late Nov 1941, and ignoring Dutch Indonesian warning to Washington DC, the Roosevelt administration wanted to use Pearl Harbor as a pretext. This is all well-known to every critical neutral historian.
IustitiaPax 1 year ago
@IustitiaPax You tell us that Roosevelt went to war against Hitler. I remind you of the inconvenient fact in your assertion that Hitler declared war on the US, not visa versa, and you say, that' irrelevant. A mere "detail". History is made up of details; either you know them or you are not a historian. Then you say that Roosevelt used Pearl Harbour as a pretext. . .to do what? You don't know your stuff, and you cobble together arguments out of sawdust! I am beginning to lose respect for you.
mc0558 1 year ago
@mc0558 Have you answered any of my questions? No. You are a paid activist. You insist on the detail, of who in Dec 14, 1941 declared war first upon whom, when USA knew Japan was allied with Germany. And the USA were supplying USSR, UK and all enemies of Germany. The Dutch East Indies in 1941 warned the USA for Japanese conditions and air ship formations. Of course this was an accepted incident, welcomed by Roosevelt as a causa belli. He was interventionist. Well known.
IustitiaPax 1 year ago
@mc0558 I am not even talking about US deliveries to the UK, which were also clearly anti-German. But Roosevelt knew USSR and Stalin would attack; Maxim Litvinov was the ambassador and a friend of Morgenthau Jr. I do not defend Nazi crimes, I just tell the truth on geopolitical strategies and causes of the world war. I am not telling Italian faschism, Japanese imperialism and National-Socialism were such tolerant, liberal ideologies. But hypocrisy of UK and USA are so clear.
IustitiaPax 1 year ago
@IustitiaPax In you mind, two Jews at opposite ends of the earth must be entwined like two photons at opposite ends of the universe. Litvinov and Morgenthau were not friends! Roosevelt helped Britain and the USSR for one reason only: the Nazi conquest of Europe coupled with the Japanese conquest of Asia would leave the US isolated and in dire strategic circumstances. It was self-defence!
mc0558 1 year ago
@mc0558 Vansittart, Baruch-Churchill combination, Lloyd George all wanted war against Germany to crush German economic autarky, and Roosevelt's helpers and wife all supported Communism, USSR and wanted to destroy Germany as such. My apologia is not for Hitler's dictatorship, but for Germans like Von Stauffenberg who were convinced that this war was provoked and necessary, and for Hungary etc. You are an ideologue. I am neutral, I want to see the big picture.
IustitiaPax 1 year ago
@mc0558 You are nothing but a name caller, who cannot provide but "argumentation" tought to you in schools and by tv propaganda. You do not know truth. That is why MI5 and CIA archives remain closed until 2065 on WW2 or are destroyed. German unemployment went because of foreign capital investing capital, and because Hitler refused to pay unjust, excessive WW1 reparations back to Entente. Rearmament was very small industry, and not responsible for reducing unemployment in Germany!
IustitiaPax 1 year ago
@IustitiaPax You must read Richard Overy's books on the German economy: The Road To War, 1989; The Nazi Economic Recovery, 1932-1938 1982;The Inter-War Crisis, 1919-1939, 1994; War and Economy in the Third Reich, 1994). Get off these pro Nazi fiction writers you're addicted to. There was some foreign investment, but most of the recovery was a Keynesian-style expenditure on weaponry. Read how he did it! By 1938, Germany was almost bankrupt. The conquest of other nations' assets was a way out.
mc0558 1 year ago
@mc0558 Richard Overy only focuses on the rise of defence budget. Of course it rose and provided SOME work. But he denies the extra agricultural production, the ore production by the de-occupation of the Rhineland in 1936. This combined with efficient policy of the Nazis and investment obligations for German industrialists inside Germany, created the economic improving. If you only selectively focus on military production, you can conclude what you want politically.
IustitiaPax 1 year ago
@IustitiaPax Overy focuses on all aspects of the economy, not just the defense budget. There is every sign of economic problems in 37, including Goering's 'guns or butter' speech. A host of Volksgemeinsam programs were being scrapped. Wealth invested in weaponry don't turn a profit unless they are used to conquer other peoples' assets.
mc0558 1 year ago
@mc0558 In 1938, Germany was not bankrupt at all. Nonsense. And it was UK fears over German-Italian-Arab-Iranian and Polish-Hungarian-Romanian central alliance, that made the war party strong in the UK and USA. 1942 invasion of Iran by UK-USSR, remember? You deflect attention from the big picture, as do these "professional" historians who are well-paid to selectively conclude things which are incorrect. Germany was not armed by 1939, still a weak army in Sept 1939.
IustitiaPax 1 year ago
@mc0558 Please note I am Dutchman, not German. But I want historical truth. Not Allied, Soviet, Polish propaganda 'history' like taught in today's faculties based on selective historical science. Like until 1970, WW1 was blamed on Germany and Austria-Hungary only, and no background and secret service activities were taken into account. Nazis reduced unemployment not by rearming. Until Dec 1943, German arms industry was smaller than USSR and UK!
IustitiaPax 1 year ago
@mc0558 Poland was constantly provoking, and in May 1939 the colonels' regime of Poland rejected prolongation of the Polish-German Non-Aggression Pact. Poland was used by the war party in Britain and France to provoke a new world war against Germany. The German demand of a referendum in Danzig was very legitimate, and had been done in the Saarland too. All wanted to go home to Germany. You only accept democracy if the outcome pleases YOU?
IustitiaPax 1 year ago
@IustitiaPax These so called provocations were thorough investigated at the Nuremberg trials and the fact that they were staged Nazi propaganda efforts, using bodies dressed in appropriate garb taken from the concentration camps, was documented. Look it up!
mc0558 1 year ago
@mc0558 Hitler never wanted the war with Poland, nor a pact with the USSR in the end. Hitler wanted alliance with Poland, like he made in 1941 with the Baltic states' governments, with Slovakia and Hungary. But Polish anti-German extremism provoked the war and provoked Hitler.Over hundred Polish border violations are proven facts, between Aug 23 and Aug 31. On Sept 3, Hitler proposed peace to England, and withdrawal from invaded Poland still.
IustitiaPax 1 year ago
@OMAN88HH But who cares about democracy? The Anglo-Americans and liberal French only want democracy, if the result pleases them. Who cares about democracy in the dictatorship of Saudi Arabia? But the democratic elections in Iran (64 % for Ahmadinejad, like polls by European observers had suggested months before!) were sabotaged. Danzig's democratic vote was ignored. By Versailles, League of Nations and used for war by Polish extremists radicalized by British and French war parties.
IustitiaPax 1 year ago
@IustitiaPax I hate democracy, i fully agree with you. poles and british clearly wanted war.
OMAN88HH 1 year ago
@OMAN88HH I do not hate democracy. Democratic nations however are not intrinsically more just and peaceful than dictatorships. The example of 19th century USA imperial enterprises compared to peaceful Nepal and Paraguay dictatorship is clear. In 1939, the British war party wanted war. Many in the population of Britain did not want war either. Nor in the USA. They sought pretexts: Danzig-Westerplatte, Pearl Harbor. And Hitler fill into this pit, a geostrategical fool.
IustitiaPax 1 year ago
@OMAN88HH, The Polish people wanted no war either, but the 30 % radicalized minority of Poles wanted war to annex and 'polonize' Silesia, Neumark, even the area of Berlin as 'ancient Slavic lands for Poland'. The Poles were beaten by plebiscites in democracy over and over, 1920 in Silesia and Warmia, 1935 in Saarland etc. etc. Also Pilsudski was more peaceful dictator, Józef Beck, Rydz-Smigly and other Polish leaders were war mongerers after 1937.
IustitiaPax 1 year ago
@OMAN88HH I hate Nazi pigs! I curse your mother for giving birth to you. And I am ashamed to think that we have creatures like you in Britain. Please, move to Germany; move to Iran; move anywhere; get out and leave use racial polluters to get on with our lives. Don't soil us with your presence or contaminate the air with your breathing. Go!
mc0558 1 year ago
@mc0558 Throat slit, you jews like to do that to animals dont you. well the animal dont fight back. This is my county you racist, and i will not tolorate your genocide ways no more you anti white jew racist. the people are awakening. the white race will not go extinct but rally together and take our country back. i curse all you racists who try and destroy other races, and take their land. and ask them to GO! the cheek of it. NO heil hitler
OMAN88HH 1 year ago
@OMAN88HH It is typical of you ignorant, antisemitic, racist, Nazi SOB's to assume that those who despise you and who will fight you till their dying breadth must be Jews. The only people who would hate everything you stand for must be Jews. Couldn't be any other way! Well, I'm not and I can tell you that there are millions of gentiles who feel the same. You're a disgrace to Britain! Go where there are other vermin like you. We do not want to see your ugly face!
mc0558 1 year ago