you can't obtain sodium through electrolysis in water. Sodium (and Potasium as well) is so reactive element that it breaks down water molecule and forms solution of base NaOH. However you could try to separate cathode from water with special membrane or separator-gel. As far as I know no one extracted sodium with this method.
hey backyard.. can you tell me if i take a wire.. that can be plugged in electricity (thing?) like a phone charger.. then i split it in 2 and then i connect the copper wires from in it to 2 carbon electrodes will this work? like in sodium chloride solution (: my method ATM is by getting it from matches.. not completely pure and alot of mess when getting it :/ please reply (:
yo ok im trying to make sodium chlorate and im having trubbele trying to seperate the powder ((wich is realy pure because i ran it throughe 3 coffee filters)) from the watter withought boiling cuz my mom wont let me use the stove for this shit lol so im trying to use a test-tube i got and a candail to boil it off lol so is there another way
o and how long do i leave it on cuz mine has ben on for abought 5 1/2 hours
I seriously doubt that those amounts of Cl2 produced will kill you (however you should do that experiment near an open window). I think you get in touch with much more chlorine when going into a swimming pool ;)
try it. you will find that you are wrong. sodium reacts with water to form hydrogen and sodium hydroxide. Chlorine gas bubbles out some dissovles depeding on temperature and other variables. NaClO and NaClO3 are formed and more chlorine dissolves as time passes.
The problem is that NaCl melts at 801°C, and elementary Na boils at 883°C. That's too close. So I'd think it would be better to electrolyse molten NaOH (mp = 322°C). But even there, you've got the problem that the density of Na is much lower then that of NaOH, so the liquid Na would "swim" on top and would easily react with air oxygen (especially at those temperatures). So you would have to do it in an Argon (or at least N2) atmosphere => this is very difficult to do at home ;).
luckily you could fill it with a gas reservoire of N or He for example to give it an inert "blanket" - which - with a lighter than air gas (He), can be accomplished with a simple inverted tub! Though glass would be the best, just don't let it tip over and let the gas escape!
Hmm, if you're melting NaCl, then using a glass tube is OK, but never use glass (SiO2) when melting NaOH! I did it once and following happened: 4 NaOH + SiO2 -> Na4SiO4 (or similar) + 2 H2O
In other words, the glass dissolved... the only NaOH-stable materials I can think of right now are precious metals such as Pt -> very expensive (Pt crucible costs ca. 600$)!
Of course you'll need special glass if you want to melt NaCl (or the mix with CaCl2). But at that high temperature, how can the Na made at the cathode be protected against air oxidation? I have no idea how to set up an argon atmosphere at home... this would also needed to prevent iron/copper oxidation (if you use it)
In industry, they fuse sodium chloride with calcium chloride. Calcium chloride lowers the melting point to around 700 degrees Celsius. The electrolysis reaction favors the formation of sodium instead of calcium.
i thought that the two wires made different gasses, the one active, hydrogen, and the one more inacvtive, chlorine (very small amounts) i could be wrong :P
This makes Sodium chlorate... if thoes rods are Carbon ....
pyrotec101 1 year ago
@darksideofthebrick13
You have to melt salt, the electrolyse it. The only problem is the temperature needed to melt NaCl.
Chmielok 1 year ago
Please drink that....
TheUsmanelahi 1 year ago
you can't obtain sodium through electrolysis in water. Sodium (and Potasium as well) is so reactive element that it breaks down water molecule and forms solution of base NaOH. However you could try to separate cathode from water with special membrane or separator-gel. As far as I know no one extracted sodium with this method.
Thorsupremecommander 2 years ago
search nighthawkinlight sodium.. he makes sodium metal.. the stuff that reacts with water (:
antiswattt2 2 years ago
hm.. sounds sad q; you could just try the matches method (: i use it and i got videos on how to..
antiswattt2 2 years ago
retard0800 have you tried the thing? im doing alot of pyro myself and i would like to get some pure sodium chlorate (:
antiswattt2 2 years ago
It will work. The 9V battery will last a few hours at most.
Use a real power supply (even an AC adapter) instead.
BackyardSkunkworks 3 years ago
hey backyard.. can you tell me if i take a wire.. that can be plugged in electricity (thing?) like a phone charger.. then i split it in 2 and then i connect the copper wires from in it to 2 carbon electrodes will this work? like in sodium chloride solution (: my method ATM is by getting it from matches.. not completely pure and alot of mess when getting it :/ please reply (:
antiswattt2 2 years ago
yo ok im trying to make sodium chlorate and im having trubbele trying to seperate the powder ((wich is realy pure because i ran it throughe 3 coffee filters)) from the watter withought boiling cuz my mom wont let me use the stove for this shit lol so im trying to use a test-tube i got and a candail to boil it off lol so is there another way
o and how long do i leave it on cuz mine has ben on for abought 5 1/2 hours
trey9440 3 years ago
just add kcl, the kclo3 will fall out of solution
niertap 2 years ago
hahahaha
thedevilboxers 3 years ago
NaCl electrolysis at home?... Nice!
Smart!
You are now inhaling Chlorine gas.
Oh by the way, Chlorine gas is toxic and can kill.
bennytan777 3 years ago
I seriously doubt that those amounts of Cl2 produced will kill you (however you should do that experiment near an open window). I think you get in touch with much more chlorine when going into a swimming pool ;)
bla287 3 years ago
Chlorine is very safe. Steps you meat while chlorine percent af air gets up:
1. nothing
2. you throw up
3. you throw up blood and cry
4. you cry blood and throw up blood
5. if chlorine percent in air gets ~25% up from stage 4 then you'll die.
XGsboty 3 years ago
Nice video!
mabakken 4 years ago
try it. you will find that you are wrong. sodium reacts with water to form hydrogen and sodium hydroxide. Chlorine gas bubbles out some dissovles depeding on temperature and other variables. NaClO and NaClO3 are formed and more chlorine dissolves as time passes.
boneleg 4 years ago
can you make hho(brown gas) with salt water
coolcat12121 4 years ago
no
but i heard that if u held ur breath for a long time u see funny colours in ur head
but idk
thedude77777 3 years ago
why we don't find on Youtube how to make sodium from molten NaCl?
LucyiX 4 years ago
The problem is that NaCl melts at 801°C, and elementary Na boils at 883°C. That's too close. So I'd think it would be better to electrolyse molten NaOH (mp = 322°C). But even there, you've got the problem that the density of Na is much lower then that of NaOH, so the liquid Na would "swim" on top and would easily react with air oxygen (especially at those temperatures). So you would have to do it in an Argon (or at least N2) atmosphere => this is very difficult to do at home ;).
bla287 3 years ago
luckily you could fill it with a gas reservoire of N or He for example to give it an inert "blanket" - which - with a lighter than air gas (He), can be accomplished with a simple inverted tub! Though glass would be the best, just don't let it tip over and let the gas escape!
TAz69x 3 years ago
Hmm, if you're melting NaCl, then using a glass tube is OK, but never use glass (SiO2) when melting NaOH! I did it once and following happened: 4 NaOH + SiO2 -> Na4SiO4 (or similar) + 2 H2O
In other words, the glass dissolved... the only NaOH-stable materials I can think of right now are precious metals such as Pt -> very expensive (Pt crucible costs ca. 600$)!
bla287 3 years ago
copper and iron work. and the nacl will melt at about the same temp at the glass
niertap 2 years ago
Of course you'll need special glass if you want to melt NaCl (or the mix with CaCl2). But at that high temperature, how can the Na made at the cathode be protected against air oxidation? I have no idea how to set up an argon atmosphere at home... this would also needed to prevent iron/copper oxidation (if you use it)
bla287 2 years ago
In industry, they fuse sodium chloride with calcium chloride. Calcium chloride lowers the melting point to around 700 degrees Celsius. The electrolysis reaction favors the formation of sodium instead of calcium.
moptim 3 years ago
i thought that the two wires made different gasses, the one active, hydrogen, and the one more inacvtive, chlorine (very small amounts) i could be wrong :P
Happy experimenting :D
Britainlockman 4 years ago
That was damn exciting!
anthwhite91 4 years ago
I havent seen anything...
macchu7 4 years ago
OMG you need get a medal
jejek1994 4 years ago
thats such a short Experiment, it didnt make any Proof that Chlorine was realy there
nitrex 5 years ago
Is that NaCl in water? Did you manage to get any chlorine gas out of it?
t239 5 years ago
lol, well its working ;S
craynerd 5 years ago