Christian, jews, muslims, they are just a BRAND NAME like the Product in the Shopping mall. one make in china and the other make in Europe. what is the difference among them ? it is the one you give the prices and someone is willing to buy it. lucky i am not one of them. so my live always be in peace and nobody bothers me.
Those who do not believe in God are the ones who cause destruction because they cannot be stopped even with the name of God and reminders of hereafter
Religions are not right or wrong, they aren't good or bad. They aren't the same, that's for sure, but think about it, the small differences are nothing compared to the grand similarities! Just remember, we might be different, but we are both human, we are both fighting in a game of life, don't let belief spoil humanity.
AVERY MUSLIM WHO LOVE JEW,YAHODI OR NOT MUSLIM JEW..BE AWARE OF WHAT YOU DOING YOU MIGHT GET POISONED LIKE WHAT THEY ALWAYS DO TO ALL THE PROPHETS,TO ALL THE MUSLIM THEY CANT STOP.MAY ALLAH PROTECT US ALL MUSLIM FROM THEIR TRICKERY..AMEEN.
dear people who are fighting here, i'm a muslim i love jews, and there are jew who love muslims. there's a minority on both sides that is filled with hate. the only way to fight them is by spreading the love. peace.
I LOVE YOU ALL CHRISTIANS, JEWS, MUSLIMS.. EVERYBODY :D
@MissLanaSan I am not sure if I am getting your point. Are you saying because you don't know this verse (quran 5:51) and therefore it must not exist. Or are you saying, since you were never taught or told about this, that is it is a non-sense or wrong verse? please explain.
The ONLY religion that will EVER matter is the RELIGION of LOVE..If you can't love your HUMAN BROTHERs & SISTERs..it is really hypocritical to be claming and loving a GOD that we can't see! CUT it out..GOD is LOVE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The incident with the Jews in Medina was one of the only incidents of any conflict between muslims and jews throught 1300 years, and before the establishment of so called Israel.
The incident in khaibar happened because the Jewish tribe living in the big fortress, made a treaty with the muslims, then broke it later on without warning, in order to inflict weakness to muslims.
The Muslims, who were gaining strength, attacked the fortress, condeming the traitors to death and removing the fortress
Mohamed was evil..and I am a Jew..and actually I dont givah shit that I am a Jew..but about one thing I am proud..I am proud that all shitheads which this World had ever produced --hated Jews..and that is The HONOR..to be hated by Hitler, and by your pedophile Mohamed by the rest of you...Mohamed said--the biggest enemies of Islam are Jews..good..I like that ..I would HATE to be liked by your Mohamed...all is good..Islam is a piece of totalitarian shit..and no need to be friends with it.
The Heaven promised in the Holy Bible is rich, pure, God-centered, and reserved for the pure saints that have turned from the filthy world of lust. Our glorified bodies will exemplify the highest morality possible. This glorious life is so far removed from the base appetite of sex that the thought of such will not even come to mind. The joy of our Father and our Savior, Jesus Christ, will be the highest expression of eternal life.I invite you all to be a part of that God and heaven.
but of course you believe in secularism, and seperation of church and state and freedom of expression, so none of these societal ills will ever cease, and your problem of rape and sexual perversity will just get worse and worse.
@PRIDEISSIN1 you evidently have not understood these points in their respective contexts. I pray that you please read then and research them according to context and not put them up as a generalised view. Thank you.
If you type pornography and vulgar language in The Quran and hadith , in the Google, you will get enough. You are asked to follow The Quran and Sunnah. You can not understand The Quran without a sira or hadith. Just look one out of 100's
Your women are your fields, so go into your fields whichever way you like [2:223](MAS Abdel Haleem, The Qur’an, Oxford UP, 2004)
Most Muslim countries are closed societies.They do not release such statistics. You have a blind eye here.
america is predominantly christian, that is why i can blame those perverse statistics on christianity, because this weak religion that people in the west are leaving in large numbers is not changing society for the better. no one takes the bible seriously, 85% are christian and yet 95% have premarital sex. your religion has become a joke, all it has been reduced to is "jesus died for our sins" and "jesus loves all". Islam is a complete, with rules and regualtions to make society better
and plz explain this to me, doesnt the bible say chastity is better then marriage. doesnt the bible call for people to live cleanly and for clergymen to abstain from sex. how the hell are they meant to do that when there own holy book is filled with sexually explicit language, stories of incest, graphic sexual detail. you wont find these things in the Quran. i repeat my question, would u feel safe kknowing your child was reading song of soloman, or ezekiel when the passages are in it?
as for 72 virgins, you will not find that anywhere in the QURAN, the wine boys are not for sexual pleasure and no muslim has ever interpreted then as being for sexual pleasure in 1400 yrs of Islam. homosexuality is punishable by death in Islam, it is one of the worst crimes. open sex market is based on a fabricated hadith. most of what you know is pure rubbish, no offence but do some reading from pure Islamic sources rather then these lying websites. or ask an imam.
look at how sexual the bible is, is it no wonder 95% of american have had premarital sex, probably even including you (dont lie). 1 in 8 have had incestous relationships, a woman is raped every 2 minutes, pornography is legal and widespread. widespread prostitution. you even have NAMBLA! bestiality has been done by 8% of the poplulation, adultery is very common. your christian america is perverse and sick, how are people supposed to be chaste when there own holy book is perverse.
All quotes you mentioned are metaphoric/ figurative speech.Muslims interpret that literally get in trouble.
There are at least 750 of them there.It is not pornography[ eg Ezkl-23].You have to go hadiths and sira to find it that in Islam. Your argument that it is a weak hadith is a deception/taqiya.
Allah offering lustful heaven 72 virgins, wine boys, open sex market are not metaphoric.
Look at two of the beautiful names of Allah "DECEIVER" and "PRIDE", fit for Lucifer only
all the quotes are metaphoric? whether that is true or not what is such filthy language doing in a book supposedly by God. would you leave your children alone with a bible knowing they could turn the page to song of songs, or ezekiel?
-it is a weak hadith, and plz prove to me taqiyyah is part of sunni Islam. not shia islam, mainstream sunni islam, show me one legitimate islamic scholar who said muslims can hide there religion, or one quote from the hadith or Quran.
Song of Solomon 8:10 "Dear brothers, I'm a walled-in virgin still, but my breasts are full— And when my lover sees me, he knows he'll soon be satisfied
May your breasts be like the clusters of the vine, the fragrance of your breath like apples, and your mouth like the best wine. (The NIV Bible, Song of Songs 7:1-4, 8-9
THIS PASSAGE IS ABOUT A WOMAN WISHING A MAN SHE IS SEXUALLY ATTRACTED TO BECOMING HER OWN BROTHER, AND THE BIBLE GLORIFIES IT
Song of Songs 8:1-3 "If only you were to me like a brother, who was nursed at my mother's breasts! Then, if I found you outside, I would kiss you, and no one would despise me. I would lead you and bring you to my mother's house-- she who has taught me. I would give you spiced wine to drink [i.e., her vagina's semen!], the nectar of my pomegranates.
@PRIDEISSIN1. lol if you want to tot up the death count christianity has been responsible for over 500 million deaths. and as for your figures i think many of them are grossly exaggerated. for example the 80 million in india was postulated by ks lal, who was then widely rebuked for exaggerating the figures to suit his own needs. some have even said the numbers of hindus increased in india with Islam, rather then decline. who knows how many of the other figures are false.
and plz consider this point, if christian armies didnt march out, killing enslaving and forcing people into christianity as history documents, would christianity be as large and as widespread as it is today. your religion never spread through peaceful preaching, so for you all that killing and conquest must have been a good thing. otherwise how else would christianity have taken over south america, or exist in africa. christians did not even offer jizyah. who are the barbaric ones?
Emotions,inconsistancies and calling names are signs of a failed argument.
My questions still remain same to you. For Christians Jesus is God, prophet and preist and so on.
We both can agree he was a "mightiest" prophet too. If God was with him like Moses ,why can not He preach violence, start a militia like Muhammad and fight aganist Romans to deliver the Jews?He did not.
He did not shed a drop of blood during His time. First 300 years Christians did not.
@PRIDEISSIN1, actually they are the sign of a tired arguer. someone tired of repeating himself 1000 times to someone who does not want to listen. again i repeat, the biblical jesus is not the Quranic jesus. what we can see from the jesus in the bible is someone who had no poiwer whatsoever, and i think you know that very well. how were jesus and his 12 discliples going to fight the romans. and why did jesus have fighting intentions as i pointed out?
Muslims blame USA and U.K policies. Is that has something to with Christ or Christ's teaching? They are secular countries where Muslims and Christians have " equal" rights?
Jesus said "My Kingdom is not of this world, otherwise my disciples would have fight for me".
True Christianity is not political, but it is personal.
We can debate whether Constaine, Bush or Obama were good christians or not?
But Islam was political from day 1. Islam wiped out 90% Xtns in the M east
@PRIDEISSIN1, you really are living in cloud cuckoo land arent you. it wasnt until the enlightenment that the idea of secularism came about, the idea of seperation of church and state. this idea never came from the bible, it arose centuries after the bible. after many christian states had existed. christianity for most of its life has been political, it is only now that it is convenient to reject any political teachings that may be gained from the bible.
@PRIDEISSIN1, you said: "Dou you know that, God predicted this in Gen.15 ,700 years before.It say it will not happen until "wickedness of cannanites reach its peak". wheres your proof they werent written together? so u admit jesus is going to conduct mass slaughter, is he then really the prince of peace? does he really love everyone regardless of there religion? so many contradictions.
In the Mishkat II we find an explanation for Jihad: -I
"[Jihad] is the best method of earning both spiritual and temporal. If victory is won, there is enormous booty and conquest of a country which cannot be equalled to any other source of earnings. If there is defeat or death, there is ever-lasting Paradise and a great spiritual benefit. This sort of Jihad is conditional upon pure motive, i.e. for establishing the kingdom of Allah on earth (Mishkat II, pg.253
and plz, so let me get this straight because you are proving my point. didnt i say you christians pick and choose biblical verses at convenience. so you reject all of OT as not being the old convenant and say the NT is binding. then when i bring you violent verses in the NT, verses that call for killing, for beating slaves, these verses are parables or metaphors. plz, i can do exactly the same with the Quran, you have no argument with your cut and paste job with the bible.
I did not express my opinion here. Everything I mentioned about jiziya,Jihad and treatment of jews and Christians I got from 4 scools of Islam. The interpretation of Bible verses you quoted are from both catholic and protestant commentaries. Why you do not want to accept those? Are you above them? OR Are you only addicted to those anti-christian websites?The entite Quran is 20% less than NT. The most important prophetic books like Issaih,Jeramiah, Ezkl etc are not in Quran
As far as Christians are concerned, Jesus fullfilled the OT and established the new covanent.For Muslims The Quran is a universal message for all people and for all time. The Jews never implemented that OT commands on others unlike Muslims. If Jesus [mightiest prophet] did not shed a drop of blood,his discipless did not and first 300 years Christians did not, then you can not blame Christ for violence.More than 1000 prophacies available in OT about the new covanent
@PRIDEISSIN1, you like to ignore most points i throw at you, that tells me a lot. jesus had no strength to drop blood, but look at how blood thirsty he was when he was god of the OT, even ordering children to be killed. what about when he returns as the warrior king? and how comes when i bring you violent verses in the OT, u say bring them from the NT, because it is not applicable. when i bring them from NT, they are parables or metaphoric. jesus came to bring the "sword of division" hahahaha.
If OT/Mosaic laws are binding ,then we have to csacrifice animals for the atonement of sins as God commanded in the OT. Then Christ's sacrificial death on the cross for the atonement of sin become a funny story. That is why Islam does not want to ackowledge the crucification .If Christ is not the son of God and was not crucified, then Christianityy is gone, we belevive we can not compromise on these issues. We can agree to disagee because one side has to concede.
@PRIDEISSIN1, well have i not demonstrated christians pick and choose there religion at convenience. and you contradict yourself. so the old testament is the old convenant and has been fulfilled, then why the hell do you ever even mention the ten commandments which are only in the old testament? your religion makes no sense, you pick and choose at complete convenience, when christians needed their religion to be violent, the violent verses were not metaphoric or parables. now they are!
@PRIDEISSIN1, you have not answered my points, when jesus said he wouldnt abolish the old law, he lied, because that is precisley what he did (according to you). he contradicts himself according to u. furthermore, if the old law is abolished, then why do christians preach the ten commandments. i think christians pick and choose what they want from the OT to suit them. at one point they took the OT verse on killing witches literally and 15 million women were killed in horrendous ways.
@PRIDEISSIN1, oh please, you a christian are trying to tell ME about abrogation. you are ignorant of your own faith and mine. very sad. abrogation is not an agreed upon theory, and even among those who have agreed it exists, there is serious disagreement over which verse abrogates which. furthermore, the abrogated verses still apply under certain circumstances, they never become completely obsolete. you know nothing.
@PRIDEISSIN1, i think it very hypocritical of you to say Islam spread by violence and conquering. how do you think christianity spread, what did the christians do to the aztecs, what about the inquisition, what did christians do to the africans. it is a lie to say christianity has become the most popular religion in the world through peaceful preaching, it was all trhough violence killing and christians giving the convert or die option. at least muslims offered jizyah and protection to dhimmis.
So why a Muslim can not understand fullfillment of the Mosaic law in Jesus after 3000 years with 1000's of prophacies about it becuase
those prophetic books are not in the Quran. Compare here with 90 Meecan suras vs sura 9.
Second "sword of division". Why can not you can think logically?.It is metaphoric. Say your Mom suddently converted to christianity.Your sister converted to Christianity and
married a christian. A division/hatred. That is the "SWORD"
@PRIDEISSIN1, i am thinking logically, and logic tells me this sword of division crap is a relatively new interpretation concocted to make christianity peaceful. i can assure that is not how christians have always understood that verse and i think you know that perfectly well. the same christian trick, all the peaceful verses are universal, all the violent ones are either cancelled, metaphoric or parables. use your head, how convenient!
You contradict yourself when you said Jesus was too weak to fight. According to Islam Jesus is one of the mightiest prophet. Why he can not form a militia and fight aganist the Romas to
deliver the jews? If Gos was with Him why it was not possible. You did not answer that question yet.
You still did not understand the violence when Jesus returns is " to manifest God's holiness on unrepentant sinners" after 2000 years of warning.
@PRIDEISSIN1, did i not explain this to you before, i consider the Quranic jesus and the biblical jesus different people. so your point is null and void. i am commenting on the jesus in the bible, a jesus who had no military power. his own disciples could do nothing when he was crucified. but that very jesus had military ambitions such as when he told his followers to sell their clothes for weapons. of course christians will twist this verse and say he meant "weapons of love" or some crap.
You still did not understand the violence when Jesus returns is " to manifest God's holiness on unrepentant sinners" after 2000 years of warning.
You still did not understand every OT violence if you study it was for the same purpose after 100's of years of warning. Did God seperate women amd children during the flood,or during Sodom
or during Joshua's slaughter of wicked Cannanites after giving them 700 years warning[ Gen 15]. God's nature is same in NT or OT.
@PRIDEISSIN1, there is a difference between what god does, ordering floods to finish whole populatons and actively taking a sword and killing children as moses did in numbers 31, as ordered by your god. and the women werent killed? they were raped! so plz dont tell me christianity is a religion of peace, is it so hard for christians to concoct a military christianity from the bible if they wanted to, as existed in the past. there is plenty of material to work with, in the OT and NT.
@PRIDEISSIN1, and you still havent answered my point, how is it jesus says he did not come to ABOLISH but FULFIL the OT laws. how have you interpreted this verse, that jesus has in fact ABOLISHED the OT law (contrary to wha the says), but rather then calling it ABOLISH he is calling it FULFIL. does that make any sense to you? it doesnt to me. jesus had no problem with the stoning of adulterers, the cutting the hand of the thief. did he ever call these laws barbaric? yet you criticise the shariah
@PRIDEISSIN1, as for jizyah and jihad, i can give you the names of hundreds of scholars who have said offensively fighting non muslims is no longer applicable. dr tahir ul qadri, yusuf qaradawi, hamza yusuf, yusuf estes etc my point from the beginning has been who are you to say Islam only has one interpretation, does christianity have one interpretation. at one point christians massacred millions of women who were supposedly witches because the bible say clearly to kill witches.
Christianity turned the Roman world upside down during the first three centuries by the sheer power of the grace of God manifested in the loving and forgiving attitudes of Christians, who were willing to suffer and die for their faith. By contrast, Islam conquered much of the Roman world during the first century of its expansion (632-732) by slaughtering a countless number of innocent people and forcing their faith upon the survivors. What a difference?
@PRIDEISSIN1, actually there is clear difference. Islam never forced its faith on anyone. you acknowledged this yourself. have you not heard of jizyah? the payment of tax for living in the Islamic state. that dhimmi has to be protected and can never be harmed by muslims. that is a hell of a lot more merciful then the christian convert or dies approach. and furthermore the muslims did take land by force, but they never converted by force. so Islam spread legitimately unlile christianity.
Prophet Muhammad was extremely intelligent, cruelest, and very cunning human being indeed! He realized very well that to materialize his narcissistic dream, he needed to incite/energized Bedouin illiterate and desperately vagabond poor Arabs to unite and fight his enemy the Pagans and Jews.
He understood very well, as to, what could be the crucial objects/materials that will be most attractive to those Pagan Arabs
The Bible Does not Enjoin the Use of Warfare to Promote the Worship of the True God .Another important point to consider is that nowhere the Old or New Testaments command God's people to attack pagan nations, either in self-defence or as a way to promote the true worship of God. The proclamation of salvation in the Bible is always by witnessing and persuasion. Motivation in Muhammad's warfare is spreading of the rule of Islam by destroying and looting the enemies.
@PRIDEISSIN1, wow i find it funny that you have not responded to half the points i left. am i wasting my time trying to debate someone who does not know what they are talking about and likes to go in circles? this only indicates to me you dont know the bible very well. no offence, but the watered down, sanitised christianity your sunday pastor gives you, is far from the reality. read the whole bible from beginning to end, then read into christianties violent dark history. that should wake u up
1.Narrated Aisha: Magic was worked on Allah's Apostle so that he used to think that he had sexual relations with his wives while he actually had not. (SBukhari, Volume 7, Book 71, Number 660)
Ali reported that the Apostle of Allah said, ‘There is in Paradise a market wherein there will be no buying or selling, but will consist of men and women. When a man desires a beauty, he will have intercourse with them.’” (Al Hadis, Vol. 4, p. 172, 34]
@PRIDEISSIN1, i dont see your point prophets can have magic done on them, you believe in magic too dont you. as for that second hadith about the market, that is a false hadith, if it is not in one of the six books of hadith it is fake.
The fear of hell fire, and unlimited greed for lustful heavenly pleasures were the most important driving force which has kept most pagan Arabs totally tamed to the Prophet Muhammad’s wishful mission of establishing Islam. Even today, the same fear of hellfire and greed of lustful heavens are the most important and primary elements (Opium) which is keeping almost 1 Billion human beings not only subdued or numb, but devoid of any norm, or human sense.
@PRIDEISSIN1, wow, i can see you can copy and paste, the sign of failed argument. you cant debate christianity anymore, you lost that debate, so now it is time to copy and paste crap!
Open sex market, wine, 72 virgins, young boys in heaven !!!!
The only possible creator of this debauchery is the Prince of Darkness, the fallen malevolent, the blasphemer of the Father – Lucifer himself. This fallen prince and all his discontented angels and men are on a subway to Hell. This subway is gaining speed and is soon to arrive at the depot of darkness.
Most important driving force behind their craze was war booties: sex with those beautiful young ladies of defeated pagans, wine, and other earthly goods which most Bedouin Arabs could not even dream in their entire life. As a result they were totally fearless fighters and wanted to die in a hurry in order to achieve those incredible heavens in the after life. This was the key factor which brought Prophet Muhammad’s victory after victory over the Arab Pagans.
matthew 5:17, jesus clearly says he has not come to ABOLISH the old law but rather fulfil it. what does that mean to you? it means the law is not to be rejected and that it is still binding. plz dont give me shit that when jesus says FULFIL, he means the law is abolished but in a polite way. it is paul who said the OT is no longer binding, paul the imposter. jesus does not say that anywhere, nor does he condemn the OT laws as barbaric as you condemn the shariah. think about that.
and please answer my point, do you not believe jesus will return as the warrior king to kill infidels for not accepting him, sending them straight to hell. how is it christians are always talking shit saying "jesus loves you, jesus loves you". if jesus loved me then why when he returns is he going to kill me and then throw me in hell. your religion is filled with contradicitions.
It is difficult to talk to you. When I mentioned 4 schools of Islam you said that is not a big deal because Islam is not static When I explained the verses from my book you do not want to but it. So what?
1.Yes when Jesus returns, there will be violence " to manifest God's holiness on unrepentant sinners" exactly like sodomy and flood during Noah's time[ after more than 2000 years of warning]
2.Why do not you ask me, why I am eating pork, no circumcision and no sacrifices?
@PRIDEISSIN1, i dont understand what you have written here: -"When I explained the verses from my book you do not want to but it. So what?" i cannot reply if your sentences do not make grammatical sense. so you admit jesus will return as the violent king, killing infidels and casting them into the lake of fire. basically becoming the OT god again, the same god who sanctioned the killing of children, rape and massacre. your god must be a god of peace, only joking!
Jesus came to fulfill the law not to abolish it. I hope you understand it. He established the "new covenant".
The OT Mosaic covenant is not binding on us anymore.That is why.
All the verses in OT are given to Jews to deal with a specific situation not more not less. That is why Israel is then and now is 0.01% of the middle east.
Muslim quoting those verses as universal messages and applying it today on Bible. That is why you are wrong and continue to be ignorant?
90 Meecan suras do not have any hatred,violence or intolerance because prophet was powerless politically/militarily .When he got power in Medina, those suras been abrogated and replaced with extreme violence and hatred[ eg sura 9].Look at jihad level
1. No fighting
2.Fighting for self defense is permitted[ optional]
3.Fighting for self defense is mandatory
4.Offensive jihad against the whole world is mandatory.-sura 9
Islam slaughtered 270 million [AD 630- 1917] by jihad
and what are you on about,dont you know the story of christ, he never acheived political power. he was always in a weak position, but you can see from these verses he had clear intentions to fight if he could. you christians are so stupid, you pick and choose your bible as you see fit. all you are doing to make christianity peaceful is rejecting most of the bible. you reinterpret and say violent verses are metaphoric but the peaceful verses are for all time.i can do the same with the Quran.
Numbers 31:17-18 (King James Version) 17Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him. 18But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves.
KILLING OF CHILDREN AND RAPE ORDERED BY THE GOD OF THE BIBLE, JESUS
Deuteronomy 22:28-29 NLT) If a man is caught in the act of raping a young woman who is not engaged, he must pay fifty pieces of silver to her father. Then he must marry the young woman because he violated her, and he will never be allowed to divorce her.
When a man strikes his male or female slave with a rod so hard that the slave dies under his hand, he shall be punished. If, however, the slave survives for a day or two, he is not to be punished, since the slave is his own property. (Exodus 21:20-21 NAB)
The servant will be severely punished, for though he knew his duty, he refused to do it. "But people who are not aware that they are doing wrong will be punished only lightly. Much is required from those to whom much is given, and much more is required from those to whom much more is given." (Luke 12:47-48
Christians who are slaves should give their masters full respect so that the name of God and his teaching will not be shamed. If your master is a Christian, that is no excuse for being disrespectful.
we are told to protect the jews and christians, if the jews and christians live in an Islamic state, the muslim state must protect them, even if they are attacked by external forces.
In the Mishkat II we find an explanation for Jihad:
"[Jihad] is the best method of earning both spiritual and temporal. If victory is won, there is enormous booty and conquest of a country which cannot be equalled to any other source of earnings. If there is defeat or death, there is ever-lasting Paradise and a great spiritual benefit. This sort of Jihad is conditional upon pure motive, i.e. for establishing the kingdom of Allah on earth (Mishkat II, pg.253
@PRIDEISSIN1 there are many different interpretations of Islamic law? is there only one interpretation of the bible? tell me how do u explain how jesus never condemned slavery but told his followers how to beat slaves, you explain it away by saying it was a parable or some shit. what about when jesus said he never came to bring peace but the sword, that was metaphoric supposedly. what about the killing and raping your god ordered moses to do numbers 31? how do u interpret that?
Many devout Muslims are aware of the abysmal lack of scientific achievements of the Islamic world in the last thousand years - but they commonly have recourse to the ingenious notion that the Koran anticipated all the Western scientific discoveries of the last thousand years; thus one can find electricity, quantum mechanics, relativity, and embryology in it
@PRIDEISSIN1, are you a moron or something? are you not aware Islam had a golden age where muslims led the world in philosophy, astronomy, medicine, optics. you have not heard of omar khayyam, or ibn rushd. you moron, do some reading before you leave stupid comments. this golden age was in the last 1000 yrs by the way.
Why there is nothing coming from Islamic world today? Do SA,Iran and other OPEC countries have any interest in research and scientific inventions, their interest is mainly to build mosque, print Quran and build madrases to produce terrorists. The golden age was due to result from looted properties and conquered people against their will. It can not last and it evaporated.Islam wiped out 90% Christianity then to 2% today.
@PRIDEISSIN1, oh so now you change you argument to TODAY. before it was muslims have done nothing in the past 1000yrs, now you have to retract. you have been exposed moron. hahaha, the golden age was due to looting. so looting inspired omar khayyam to study and investigate astronomy, looting inspired al razi to discover the circulatory system. you are a joke my friend.
Islam always want to credit for someone's work. It was then and today. Why not today with that much wealth with OPEC countries? It is like saying" all the prophets were Muslims". It would not work that way.Can you respond to my posts below? If not ,do not reply. It is waste of time.
@PRIDEISSIN1, i have replied to your posts, or are you too dumb to see that. what gives you the right to interpret Islam in the most extreme way and then say that is real Islam., in that case i will pick and choose things from your bible and reinterpret christianity in an extreme way, and believe me in the bible i have plenty of material to work with.
1.He struck me on the chest which caused me pain, and then said: Sahih Muslim[Book 004, Number 2127]
2.Aisha complained that women are equal to dogs...1.9.498 [Sahih Bukhari]
3.Bukhari (60:311) I feel that your Lord hastens in fulfilling your sexual wishes and desires."
4.Narrated Aisha: Magic was worked on Allah's Apostle so that he used to think that he had sexual relations with his wives while he actually had not. (SBukhari, Volume 7, Book 71, Number 660)
You are calling people dumb. See who is dumb below.You did not answer the treatment of jews/christians under Islam. now and 1400 years of history. 90% mIddle east christianity reduced to 2% today.If violent passages in The bible was universel message then, why Jesus did not shed a drop of blood during his time, and why Israel is a drop in the bucket now and then in M east?Why with billion of dollar revenew, Muslim countries have no interests in research and inventions?
@PRIDEISSIN1, i did answer your question fool. i said there are many interpretations of Islam just like there are many interpretations of christianity. i can reinterpret christianity to be violent. and as for why jesus never spilled any blood, well he was too weak, he never had any power. but when he was the god of the old testament he ordered plenty of killing and rape, even the killing of children, read numbers 31. and isnt jesus going to return as the warrior king.
If you were right,then why Israel then and now is 0.01% of the middle East.
1. Accept Islam 2.Pay Jiziya/submit to sharia 3.fight until get killed.Under sharia you subjugate people and oppress them in a box , humiliate them,- It can well be terrorism. This happens when Islam is in power. You create "Houses of Islam" vs" Houses of war"- It is hatred
A political ideology enforced by military force against the will of the people can not be called a religion
@PRIDEISSIN1, i have answered you already, there are many interpretations of Islam. are you not aware the crusaders interpreted christianity in a very violent way, they went around massacring non christians, they didnt even offer them jizyah (lol). they took the example set in the bible of your god ordering the rape and massacre of the midianites. so dont criticise islam, look at what your own religion has done in history.
All four schools of Islam agree on the subjects I mentioned
Christians who committed violence can not appeal to Christ's teaching for their actions.Muslims who committed violence always appeal to their prophet and The Quran
Christianity became a predominant religion in the 1 st 300 years without violence, conquest or political power.
Crusades or Inquisition has nothing to Christianity. Like Bernard Lewis said, Crusades was a delayed response to the Islamic violence.
@PRIDEISSIN1, yeah all 4 schools of Islam agree, but who said Islam was static and not changing from time to time and place to place. just like christianity which has changed constantly throughout time, at some points christians take the violent passages literally, today it is more convenient to reject those passages. how many muslims are working to impose jizyah, next to none, they are getting on with there lives. the crusades had much to do with christianity and the bible justifies the murder.
Once again where is the violence come from Christ's teaching. When Islam conquered the entire Christian Middle east, you think we should sit down and watch.Crusades was a delayed response to violent Islamic Jihad.
Christ could have start form a militia or preach violence when they get political power, but he did not.
I have no doubt that jiziya tax and subjugation of non Muslims will come back when Islam get upper hand under a Caliphate. Muslims lost their empire in 1917.
But those enemies of mine who did not want me to be king over them--bring them here and kill them in front of me.'"luke 19:27
Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. matthew 10:34
Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him. 18But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves.
Those verses were answered 100's of times before elsewhere .About Luke 19.27.It is a parable on the day of judgment.It was not a commandment for his followers to do on earth.When God destroyed earth during Noah's time and also during Sodom, he did not had no sympathy. So that will happen during his second coming to "manifest his holiness on un repentant sinners" a theme is missing in the Quran.
Math 10:34 once again he is not taking about sword but the sword of division.
@PRIDEISSIN1, what a bullshit response, "the sword of division" hahaha, a parable of the day of judgement. use your head. didnt i say christians reinterpret verses as metaphoric or parable as they see fit. of course it is very convenient in this day and age to ignore these veres. and furthermore every parable has a moral or message behind it. and surely you believe jesus will return as the warrior king ans slay any non believers and send them to hell. jesus loves us all!
When 90 peaceful suras in Mecca replaced with loot and lustful heaven for his worriers in Medina[su-9], see what happened with Islam
". If victory is won, there is enormous booty and conquest of a country which cannot be equalled to any other source of earnings. If there is defeat or death, there is ever-lasting Paradise and a great spiritual benefit. This sort of Jihad is conditional upon pure motive, i.e. for establishing the kingdom of Allah on earth (Mishkat II, pg.253]
@PRIDEISSIN1, if there is one thing this debate has taught me it is we muslims know more about the bible then christians. you struggle to refute many of my points and just ignore them as if they were never put forward. you are ignorant and foolish of Islam and your own religion, how pitiful. how can u reject the OT when jesus says in matthew not to. the law that a raped woman should be forced to marry her rapist is still binding, so is slavery, so is beating slaves to death as exodus states!
Once again if those violent passages in the OT were universal messages, why Israel is 0.01% of the middle east now and then? Why did not Christians used to form militia and began to fight. Constantine became christian because of his change of heart not through violence.Jesus was weak?. If you study 35 miracles he did, you would not say that. For Muhammad he can not perform a miracle. So he called Quran a miracle, and night journey to Jerusalem, no one can verify a miracle
@PRIDEISSIN1, wow your answers are crap. jesus was very weak during his time, u can see from his preachments he had the intention to fight but could not. him and his 12 disciples would have gotten massacred. Mohammed performed many miracles, he split the moon, he produced water for over a 1000 people from one cup. and who said the OT was not universal. did jesus not say in matthew the old testament laws are binding forever, and he who cancels this law will be cursed.
Your response is not rational. According to Islam ,Jesus was one of the mightiest prophet ever lived. He fed 5000 people with five loaf of bread and raised Lazar from dead. So why can not he form a militia like Mohammad and fight against the Romans.If Allah was with Him why it was not possible?.
About those verse, that is what is exactly means, a Muslim can not see it.His disciples got killed for witnessing Him. They did not rise a finger against their enemies .
@PRIDEISSIN1, your response is not rational. i consider the biblical jesus and the jesus of the Quran two seperate people. and from your own bible it is clear jesus was weak, his followers could do nothing when they went to crucify him. jesus clearly had violent ambitions such as when he told his followers to sell there clothes for weapons, but in the end he was too weak. btw, you cant reject the old testament laws, jesus makes that very clear in matthew and in luke.
Also in Mishkat II we learn about Jihad, Abu Hurairah reported that the Messenger of Allah said: To whichever village you go and settle therein, there is your share therein, and whichever village disobeys Allah and His Messenger, its one-fifth is for Allah and His Messenger, and the remainder is for you (Muslim, Mishkat II, pg.412)."These are offensive Jihad. What were Muslims defending in North Africa, or Spain, France, India, Persia, Syria, Anatolia or the Balkans?
Jews see Arabs as "Amalek" עֲמָלֵק who are the ancient enemies of Jews & whom Jewish Law (Halakha) mandates much be "annihilated".
Israeli "academic" Hannah Kasher (Bar-Ilan Uni.) wrote in a paper called: "Rationales Justifying Collective Punishment of Amalek" *(ie: justifying killing Arab kids):
"Any person descended of Amalek (Arabs) has a death sentence over his head from the moment of his birth.... one does not refrain from killing women & children."
2-yes she can convert if she wants , she cant marry non Muslim if shes a Muslim because she will be introduced to his non Muslim family and his child too not vise versa and might force her to
3- so prophets like moses how many wives did he have? have u heard any thing like women got 2 husband? no.
4- theres some special cases to that( not in everything)
@PRIDEISSIN1 If a man happens to meet a virgin who is not pledged to be married and rapes her and they are discovered, he shall pay the girl's father fifty shekels of silver. He must marry the girl, for he has violated her. He can never divorce her as long as he lives. (From the NIV Bible, Deuteronomy 22:28)
Quran (8:12) - "I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them" No reasonable person would interpret this to mean a spiritual struggle.
@PRIDEISSIN1 Muhammad in the bible (Song of Solomon 5:16) has been translated to "all together lovely" in the English bible but its self in the Hebrew bible.
Bukhari (52:177) - Allah's Apostle said, "The Hour will not be established until you fight with the Jews, and the stone behind which a Jew will be hiding will say. "O Muslim! There is a Jew hiding behind me, so kill him."
People who quote violent passages from the OT should ask the following questions themselves.
1.Why Israel now and then is a drop in the bucket,if the messages was universal in OT?
2.Why Christians do not follow the OT Mosaic covenant? eg.Pork,circumcision,sacrifices.
3.Even 90% Christianity reduced to 2% today in ME,why you do not see a christian militant/ guerrilla organizations as in Islam[almost every country in the world Muslim or secular]
Allah's Apostle said, ‘Know that Paradise is under the shades of swords.’" (vol. 4, p. 55)[ Bukhari]
Allah's Apostle said, ‘I have been ordered to fight with the people till they say, ‘None has the right to be worshipped but Allah,’ and whoever says, ‘None has the right to be worshipped but Allah,’ his life and property will be saved by me…" (vol. 4, p. 124).
Whoever changed his Islamic religion, then kill him." (vol. 9, p. 45)
Look at the rewards for jihadists.80% loot go to them 20% go to the prophet. In case if you die you go heaven and get most lustful and materialistic heaven .It is win win situation for them.After the conquest of Meeca, humiliated,defeated pagans converting to Islam is not "their change of heart".They do not have an option.For the people of the book,you can practice your religion by paying jiziya.
Under sharia, I can not propagate my religion,cannot convert,can not build a new church .Slavery
@PRIDEISSIN1 Muhammad peace pbhu said don't kill childerns , women , the old or a civilian ( anyone who isnt fighting against you) but your bible status order of killing men children and non virgin women and the young virgin girls are raped and its is filled with murders ,contradictions and pornography( Judges 21:10-24 ) (Numbers 31:7-18) (Deuteronomy 20:10-14) (2 Samuel 12:11-14 NAB) (Exodus 21:7-11 ) and more so what did the prophet do with the 20% read (The Noble Quran, 2:177 & 2:220)
My friend, you are grossly mistaken.Yes the passages you mentioned are indeed violent in the OT.We Christians are not under Mosaic covenant.That i why we call it OT.
1.The OT violence are manifestations of God's holiness on unrepentant sinners after giving 100's or 1000's of years warning. A message missing in the Quran
2.When God destroyed the world with flood and also in Sodom, did he he separate woman and children.No
This is a very "clean" video. =p
efraimgarner 4 weeks ago
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enbunoverna 1 month ago
Christian, jews, muslims, they are just a BRAND NAME like the Product in the Shopping mall. one make in china and the other make in Europe. what is the difference among them ? it is the one you give the prices and someone is willing to buy it. lucky i am not one of them. so my live always be in peace and nobody bothers me.
moistfaucet 4 months ago
@moistfaucet
You yourself will bother others !
farzanatasneem 3 months ago
@farzanatasneem, How i can my voice compete with Bible and Koran ?
moistfaucet 3 months ago
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@moistfaucet
Those who do not believe in God are the ones who cause destruction because they cannot be stopped even with the name of God and reminders of hereafter
farzanatasneem 3 months ago
Religions are not right or wrong, they aren't good or bad. They aren't the same, that's for sure, but think about it, the small differences are nothing compared to the grand similarities! Just remember, we might be different, but we are both human, we are both fighting in a game of life, don't let belief spoil humanity.
1800youtroll 5 months ago
AVERY MUSLIM WHO LOVE JEW,YAHODI OR NOT MUSLIM JEW..BE AWARE OF WHAT YOU DOING YOU MIGHT GET POISONED LIKE WHAT THEY ALWAYS DO TO ALL THE PROPHETS,TO ALL THE MUSLIM THEY CANT STOP.MAY ALLAH PROTECT US ALL MUSLIM FROM THEIR TRICKERY..AMEEN.
TheSuperSPyking 6 months ago
dear people who are fighting here, i'm a muslim i love jews, and there are jew who love muslims. there's a minority on both sides that is filled with hate. the only way to fight them is by spreading the love. peace.
I LOVE YOU ALL CHRISTIANS, JEWS, MUSLIMS.. EVERYBODY :D
lost4ever300 7 months ago 7
@lost4ever300 crap
mafia1953 5 months ago
@lost4ever300 What do you think about verses in the quran that commands muslims not to take up friendship with non-muslims. For example: 5:51
mythcontrolpill 2 months ago
@mythcontrolpill huh? I'm Muslim and was never taught or told that
MissLanaSan 2 months ago
@MissLanaSan I am not sure if I am getting your point. Are you saying because you don't know this verse (quran 5:51) and therefore it must not exist. Or are you saying, since you were never taught or told about this, that is it is a non-sense or wrong verse? please explain.
mythcontrolpill 2 months ago
@lost4ever300 are u living in another planet??? loool
zabaletta1 1 month ago in playlist Muslims hate Jews?
The people in Isreal arent the original Jews. The culture is a stolen culture.
MileoMajor 8 months ago
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youneekk 8 months ago
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The ONLY religion that will EVER matter is the RELIGION of LOVE..If you can't love your HUMAN BROTHERs & SISTERs..it is really hypocritical to be claming and loving a GOD that we can't see! CUT it out..GOD is LOVE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
PotentialGrows 9 months ago
FUCK ZIONISTS AND EXTREMIST MUSLIMS.
HatchetDimitri 9 months ago
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@HatchetDimitri
FUCK YOU MOTHER FUCKER
GO SUCK MOHAMMAD DICK YOU FUCKING MONSTER
Mangano22 9 months ago
The incident with the Jews in Medina was one of the only incidents of any conflict between muslims and jews throught 1300 years, and before the establishment of so called Israel.
The incident in khaibar happened because the Jewish tribe living in the big fortress, made a treaty with the muslims, then broke it later on without warning, in order to inflict weakness to muslims.
The Muslims, who were gaining strength, attacked the fortress, condeming the traitors to death and removing the fortress
MHD2200 9 months ago
Muslims had fought jews in medina but that doesnt mean jews are the muslims enemies , not at all .
noblenabil 10 months ago
You can't reason with ignorant people!!!! lost cause...you have your religion and I have mine and God will decide, its that simple..
sulsaleh 10 months ago
The Quran gives women more rights then the bible go read your bible old testament preferably. Before you misconstrue facts about the quran
sulsaleh 10 months ago 4
there's only tow kind of people good ones and bad ones
and ((kbrt111)) what makes u say that mohamed was evil!!
legendarykk 11 months ago
Jews use to pray for Muslims!?! No thats interesting.
ombiaz 11 months ago
Mohamed was evil..and I am a Jew..and actually I dont givah shit that I am a Jew..but about one thing I am proud..I am proud that all shitheads which this World had ever produced --hated Jews..and that is The HONOR..to be hated by Hitler, and by your pedophile Mohamed by the rest of you...Mohamed said--the biggest enemies of Islam are Jews..good..I like that ..I would HATE to be liked by your Mohamed...all is good..Islam is a piece of totalitarian shit..and no need to be friends with it.
Kbrt111 11 months ago
@Kbrt111 Ignorance at its peak. Mohamad did not say that -the biggest enemies of Islam are Jews. Stop spreading lies.
citizenOfNowhere777 10 months ago
@citizenOfNowhere777
yes, he did
Kbrt111 10 months ago
@Kbrt111 Keep trying to convince yourself. It shows your intelligence level, how low it is.
citizenOfNowhere777 10 months ago
@Kbrt111 trolls will be trolls
tupaki786 9 months ago
The Heaven promised in the Holy Bible is rich, pure, God-centered, and reserved for the pure saints that have turned from the filthy world of lust. Our glorified bodies will exemplify the highest morality possible. This glorious life is so far removed from the base appetite of sex that the thought of such will not even come to mind. The joy of our Father and our Savior, Jesus Christ, will be the highest expression of eternal life.I invite you all to be a part of that God and heaven.
PRIDEISSIN1 1 year ago
but of course you believe in secularism, and seperation of church and state and freedom of expression, so none of these societal ills will ever cease, and your problem of rape and sexual perversity will just get worse and worse.
xingyimaster1987 1 year ago
@xingyimaster1987
Rules insulting women in Islam
1.She has to bring 4 witness to prove a rape otherwise she will be charged with adultery
2.She can not convert or marry to a non Muslim
3.He can marry up to 4 but she can marry only one.
4.Two woman witness= 1 man witness
5.He can say divorce three times and get ride of her but she can not.
6.He can beat a disobedient wife but she can not
7.To re marry a divorced husband, she has to marry another man then he need to divorce her
PRIDEISSIN1 1 year ago
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my2071 1 year ago
@PRIDEISSIN1 you evidently have not understood these points in their respective contexts. I pray that you please read then and research them according to context and not put them up as a generalised view. Thank you.
colicf 11 months ago
@colicf
I hope you can explain atleast one and help me out.
PRIDEISSIN1 11 months ago
Islam has the solution to all of americas problems. just take the fact that a woman is raped every 2 minutes in america. would this occur if: -
1) women were covered rather then walking half naked drunk coming back froma club at midnight
2) drugs and alcohol were banned
3) pornography was illegal
4) prostituion was illegal and punished severely
5) those filthy hollywod movies were banned
6) the rapist was put to death, rather then 6 months in prison, so he can come out and reoffend.
xingyimaster1987 1 year ago
@xingyimaster1987
If you type pornography and vulgar language in The Quran and hadith , in the Google, you will get enough. You are asked to follow The Quran and Sunnah. You can not understand The Quran without a sira or hadith. Just look one out of 100's
Your women are your fields, so go into your fields whichever way you like [2:223](MAS Abdel Haleem, The Qur’an, Oxford UP, 2004)
Most Muslim countries are closed societies.They do not release such statistics. You have a blind eye here.
PRIDEISSIN1 1 year ago
america is predominantly christian, that is why i can blame those perverse statistics on christianity, because this weak religion that people in the west are leaving in large numbers is not changing society for the better. no one takes the bible seriously, 85% are christian and yet 95% have premarital sex. your religion has become a joke, all it has been reduced to is "jesus died for our sins" and "jesus loves all". Islam is a complete, with rules and regualtions to make society better
xingyimaster1987 1 year ago
and plz explain this to me, doesnt the bible say chastity is better then marriage. doesnt the bible call for people to live cleanly and for clergymen to abstain from sex. how the hell are they meant to do that when there own holy book is filled with sexually explicit language, stories of incest, graphic sexual detail. you wont find these things in the Quran. i repeat my question, would u feel safe kknowing your child was reading song of soloman, or ezekiel when the passages are in it?
xingyimaster1987 1 year ago
as for 72 virgins, you will not find that anywhere in the QURAN, the wine boys are not for sexual pleasure and no muslim has ever interpreted then as being for sexual pleasure in 1400 yrs of Islam. homosexuality is punishable by death in Islam, it is one of the worst crimes. open sex market is based on a fabricated hadith. most of what you know is pure rubbish, no offence but do some reading from pure Islamic sources rather then these lying websites. or ask an imam.
xingyimaster1987 1 year ago
look at how sexual the bible is, is it no wonder 95% of american have had premarital sex, probably even including you (dont lie). 1 in 8 have had incestous relationships, a woman is raped every 2 minutes, pornography is legal and widespread. widespread prostitution. you even have NAMBLA! bestiality has been done by 8% of the poplulation, adultery is very common. your christian america is perverse and sick, how are people supposed to be chaste when there own holy book is perverse.
xingyimaster1987 1 year ago
@xingyimaster1987
1. Copy and paste is not a sign of a failed argument.It is perfectly fine if you can agree and support it.
2. Blaming U.S and U.K policies and their cultures on Christianity is a sign of a failed argument again.
3.I can not debate with you until you take a stand on Islam.Your answer is about different interpretations of
The Quran and Bible. You can not be a sunni / shia or catholic/protestant at the same time.
What is the subject of the debate here? Define that first?
PRIDEISSIN1 1 year ago
@xingyimaster1987
All quotes you mentioned are metaphoric/ figurative speech.Muslims interpret that literally get in trouble.
There are at least 750 of them there.It is not pornography[ eg Ezkl-23].You have to go hadiths and sira to find it that in Islam. Your argument that it is a weak hadith is a deception/taqiya.
Allah offering lustful heaven 72 virgins, wine boys, open sex market are not metaphoric.
Look at two of the beautiful names of Allah "DECEIVER" and "PRIDE", fit for Lucifer only
PRIDEISSIN1 1 year ago
@PRIDEISSIN1,
all the quotes are metaphoric? whether that is true or not what is such filthy language doing in a book supposedly by God. would you leave your children alone with a bible knowing they could turn the page to song of songs, or ezekiel?
-it is a weak hadith, and plz prove to me taqiyyah is part of sunni Islam. not shia islam, mainstream sunni islam, show me one legitimate islamic scholar who said muslims can hide there religion, or one quote from the hadith or Quran.
xingyimaster1987 1 year ago
Song of Solomon 8:10 "Dear brothers, I'm a walled-in virgin still, but my breasts are full— And when my lover sees me, he knows he'll soon be satisfied
May your breasts be like the clusters of the vine, the fragrance of your breath like apples, and your mouth like the best wine. (The NIV Bible, Song of Songs 7:1-4, 8-9
xingyimaster1987 1 year ago
THIS PASSAGE IS ABOUT A WOMAN WISHING A MAN SHE IS SEXUALLY ATTRACTED TO BECOMING HER OWN BROTHER, AND THE BIBLE GLORIFIES IT
Song of Songs 8:1-3 "If only you were to me like a brother, who was nursed at my mother's breasts! Then, if I found you outside, I would kiss you, and no one would despise me. I would lead you and bring you to my mother's house-- she who has taught me. I would give you spiced wine to drink [i.e., her vagina's semen!], the nectar of my pomegranates.
xingyimaster1987 1 year ago
lets look at some pronography in the bible, plz tell me is this filth really from a book inspired by God.
Ezekiel 23:20
20 There she lusted after her lovers, whose genitals were like those of donkeys and whose emission was like that of horses.
xingyimaster1987 1 year ago
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What were Muslims defending in North Africa, or Spain, France, India, Persia, Syria, Anatolia or the Balkans?
Islam killed 270 million innocent human beings and wiped out 90% Christian middle east then to 2% today. per politicalislam/com
Middle East= 60million
Africa= 120 million
India/SA= 80 million
China/Budhist = 10 million
Total dead bodies=270 million
Demand was always 1. Accept Islam 2. Pay Jiziya and submit to sharia 3.Fight until get killed
PRIDEISSIN1 1 year ago
@PRIDEISSIN1. lol if you want to tot up the death count christianity has been responsible for over 500 million deaths. and as for your figures i think many of them are grossly exaggerated. for example the 80 million in india was postulated by ks lal, who was then widely rebuked for exaggerating the figures to suit his own needs. some have even said the numbers of hindus increased in india with Islam, rather then decline. who knows how many of the other figures are false.
xingyimaster1987 1 year ago
and plz consider this point, if christian armies didnt march out, killing enslaving and forcing people into christianity as history documents, would christianity be as large and as widespread as it is today. your religion never spread through peaceful preaching, so for you all that killing and conquest must have been a good thing. otherwise how else would christianity have taken over south america, or exist in africa. christians did not even offer jizyah. who are the barbaric ones?
xingyimaster1987 1 year ago
@xingyimaster1987
Emotions,inconsistancies and calling names are signs of a failed argument.
My questions still remain same to you. For Christians Jesus is God, prophet and preist and so on.
We both can agree he was a "mightiest" prophet too. If God was with him like Moses ,why can not He preach violence, start a militia like Muhammad and fight aganist Romans to deliver the Jews?He did not.
He did not shed a drop of blood during His time. First 300 years Christians did not.
PRIDEISSIN1 1 year ago
@PRIDEISSIN1, actually they are the sign of a tired arguer. someone tired of repeating himself 1000 times to someone who does not want to listen. again i repeat, the biblical jesus is not the Quranic jesus. what we can see from the jesus in the bible is someone who had no poiwer whatsoever, and i think you know that very well. how were jesus and his 12 discliples going to fight the romans. and why did jesus have fighting intentions as i pointed out?
xingyimaster1987 1 year ago
@xingyimaster1987
Muslims blame USA and U.K policies. Is that has something to with Christ or Christ's teaching? They are secular countries where Muslims and Christians have " equal" rights?
Jesus said "My Kingdom is not of this world, otherwise my disciples would have fight for me".
True Christianity is not political, but it is personal.
We can debate whether Constaine, Bush or Obama were good christians or not?
But Islam was political from day 1. Islam wiped out 90% Xtns in the M east
PRIDEISSIN1 1 year ago
@PRIDEISSIN1, you really are living in cloud cuckoo land arent you. it wasnt until the enlightenment that the idea of secularism came about, the idea of seperation of church and state. this idea never came from the bible, it arose centuries after the bible. after many christian states had existed. christianity for most of its life has been political, it is only now that it is convenient to reject any political teachings that may be gained from the bible.
xingyimaster1987 1 year ago
@xingyimaster1987
Violence in OT, Israel then and now is 0.01% of the middle east.
Let us take Joshua's slaughter of women, children and infants .
Dou you know that, God predicted this in Gen.15 ,700 years before.It say it will not happen until "wickedness of cannanites reach its peak".
You still did not understand the violence when Jesus returns is " to manifest God's holiness on unrepentant sinners" after 2000 years of warning.
Yes "on that day " "mass slaughter can happen".
PRIDEISSIN1 1 year ago
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@PRIDEISSIN1, you said: "Dou you know that, God predicted this in Gen.15 ,700 years before.It say it will not happen until "wickedness of cannanites reach its peak". wheres your proof they werent written together? so u admit jesus is going to conduct mass slaughter, is he then really the prince of peace? does he really love everyone regardless of there religion? so many contradictions.
xingyimaster1987 1 year ago
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@xingyimaster1987
In the Mishkat II we find an explanation for Jihad: -I
"[Jihad] is the best method of earning both spiritual and temporal. If victory is won, there is enormous booty and conquest of a country which cannot be equalled to any other source of earnings. If there is defeat or death, there is ever-lasting Paradise and a great spiritual benefit. This sort of Jihad is conditional upon pure motive, i.e. for establishing the kingdom of Allah on earth (Mishkat II, pg.253
PRIDEISSIN1 1 year ago
and plz, so let me get this straight because you are proving my point. didnt i say you christians pick and choose biblical verses at convenience. so you reject all of OT as not being the old convenant and say the NT is binding. then when i bring you violent verses in the NT, verses that call for killing, for beating slaves, these verses are parables or metaphors. plz, i can do exactly the same with the Quran, you have no argument with your cut and paste job with the bible.
xingyimaster1987 1 year ago
@xingyimaster1987
I did not express my opinion here. Everything I mentioned about jiziya,Jihad and treatment of jews and Christians I got from 4 scools of Islam. The interpretation of Bible verses you quoted are from both catholic and protestant commentaries. Why you do not want to accept those? Are you above them? OR Are you only addicted to those anti-christian websites?The entite Quran is 20% less than NT. The most important prophetic books like Issaih,Jeramiah, Ezkl etc are not in Quran
PRIDEISSIN1 1 year ago
@xingyimaster1987
As far as Christians are concerned, Jesus fullfilled the OT and established the new covanent.For Muslims The Quran is a universal message for all people and for all time. The Jews never implemented that OT commands on others unlike Muslims. If Jesus [mightiest prophet] did not shed a drop of blood,his discipless did not and first 300 years Christians did not, then you can not blame Christ for violence.More than 1000 prophacies available in OT about the new covanent
PRIDEISSIN1 1 year ago
@PRIDEISSIN1, you like to ignore most points i throw at you, that tells me a lot. jesus had no strength to drop blood, but look at how blood thirsty he was when he was god of the OT, even ordering children to be killed. what about when he returns as the warrior king? and how comes when i bring you violent verses in the OT, u say bring them from the NT, because it is not applicable. when i bring them from NT, they are parables or metaphoric. jesus came to bring the "sword of division" hahahaha.
xingyimaster1987 1 year ago
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If OT/Mosaic laws are binding ,then we have to csacrifice animals for the atonement of sins as God commanded in the OT. Then Christ's sacrificial death on the cross for the atonement of sin become a funny story. That is why Islam does not want to ackowledge the crucification .If Christ is not the son of God and was not crucified, then Christianityy is gone, we belevive we can not compromise on these issues. We can agree to disagee because one side has to concede.
PRIDEISSIN1 1 year ago
@PRIDEISSIN1, well have i not demonstrated christians pick and choose there religion at convenience. and you contradict yourself. so the old testament is the old convenant and has been fulfilled, then why the hell do you ever even mention the ten commandments which are only in the old testament? your religion makes no sense, you pick and choose at complete convenience, when christians needed their religion to be violent, the violent verses were not metaphoric or parables. now they are!
xingyimaster1987 1 year ago
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We can not debate so many subjects at the same time with limited space. I explained all of your questions. I want to add a few more points
1.God's revelations are progessive. God had covanent with Adam, Noah, Moses and Jesus in the Bible.
.Covanent with Moses was not applicable to Adam or Noah. It was not given at that time.Jesus was the fullment of
the Mosaic law.Jesus established his new covanent.
PRIDEISSIN1 1 year ago
@PRIDEISSIN1, you have not answered my points, when jesus said he wouldnt abolish the old law, he lied, because that is precisley what he did (according to you). he contradicts himself according to u. furthermore, if the old law is abolished, then why do christians preach the ten commandments. i think christians pick and choose what they want from the OT to suit them. at one point they took the OT verse on killing witches literally and 15 million women were killed in horrendous ways.
xingyimaster1987 1 year ago
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It was not the theory of Nakish or abrogation in Islam. Look at 90 Meecan peacful suras when prophet was weak politically and militarily
Let there is no compulsion. I am a warner only. You keep your religion I keep mine etc. What happened in Medina when he get power
sura-9 is the manifesto of compulsion, hatred and violence aganist humanity. Within 10 years the entire arabia and within 100 years
60% of all known world Islam conquered with violent Jihad
PRIDEISSIN1 1 year ago
@PRIDEISSIN1, oh please, you a christian are trying to tell ME about abrogation. you are ignorant of your own faith and mine. very sad. abrogation is not an agreed upon theory, and even among those who have agreed it exists, there is serious disagreement over which verse abrogates which. furthermore, the abrogated verses still apply under certain circumstances, they never become completely obsolete. you know nothing.
xingyimaster1987 1 year ago
@PRIDEISSIN1, i think it very hypocritical of you to say Islam spread by violence and conquering. how do you think christianity spread, what did the christians do to the aztecs, what about the inquisition, what did christians do to the africans. it is a lie to say christianity has become the most popular religion in the world through peaceful preaching, it was all trhough violence killing and christians giving the convert or die option. at least muslims offered jizyah and protection to dhimmis.
xingyimaster1987 1 year ago
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So why a Muslim can not understand fullfillment of the Mosaic law in Jesus after 3000 years with 1000's of prophacies about it becuase
those prophetic books are not in the Quran. Compare here with 90 Meecan suras vs sura 9.
Second "sword of division". Why can not you can think logically?.It is metaphoric. Say your Mom suddently converted to christianity.Your sister converted to Christianity and
married a christian. A division/hatred. That is the "SWORD"
PRIDEISSIN1 1 year ago
@PRIDEISSIN1, i am thinking logically, and logic tells me this sword of division crap is a relatively new interpretation concocted to make christianity peaceful. i can assure that is not how christians have always understood that verse and i think you know that perfectly well. the same christian trick, all the peaceful verses are universal, all the violent ones are either cancelled, metaphoric or parables. use your head, how convenient!
xingyimaster1987 1 year ago
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You contradict yourself when you said Jesus was too weak to fight. According to Islam Jesus is one of the mightiest prophet. Why he can not form a militia and fight aganist the Romas to
deliver the jews? If Gos was with Him why it was not possible. You did not answer that question yet.
You still did not understand the violence when Jesus returns is " to manifest God's holiness on unrepentant sinners" after 2000 years of warning.
PRIDEISSIN1 1 year ago
@PRIDEISSIN1, did i not explain this to you before, i consider the Quranic jesus and the biblical jesus different people. so your point is null and void. i am commenting on the jesus in the bible, a jesus who had no military power. his own disciples could do nothing when he was crucified. but that very jesus had military ambitions such as when he told his followers to sell their clothes for weapons. of course christians will twist this verse and say he meant "weapons of love" or some crap.
xingyimaster1987 1 year ago
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You still did not understand the violence when Jesus returns is " to manifest God's holiness on unrepentant sinners" after 2000 years of warning.
You still did not understand every OT violence if you study it was for the same purpose after 100's of years of warning. Did God seperate women amd children during the flood,or during Sodom
or during Joshua's slaughter of wicked Cannanites after giving them 700 years warning[ Gen 15]. God's nature is same in NT or OT.
PRIDEISSIN1 1 year ago
@PRIDEISSIN1, there is a difference between what god does, ordering floods to finish whole populatons and actively taking a sword and killing children as moses did in numbers 31, as ordered by your god. and the women werent killed? they were raped! so plz dont tell me christianity is a religion of peace, is it so hard for christians to concoct a military christianity from the bible if they wanted to, as existed in the past. there is plenty of material to work with, in the OT and NT.
xingyimaster1987 1 year ago
@PRIDEISSIN1, and you still havent answered my point, how is it jesus says he did not come to ABOLISH but FULFIL the OT laws. how have you interpreted this verse, that jesus has in fact ABOLISHED the OT law (contrary to wha the says), but rather then calling it ABOLISH he is calling it FULFIL. does that make any sense to you? it doesnt to me. jesus had no problem with the stoning of adulterers, the cutting the hand of the thief. did he ever call these laws barbaric? yet you criticise the shariah
xingyimaster1987 1 year ago
@PRIDEISSIN1, as for jizyah and jihad, i can give you the names of hundreds of scholars who have said offensively fighting non muslims is no longer applicable. dr tahir ul qadri, yusuf qaradawi, hamza yusuf, yusuf estes etc my point from the beginning has been who are you to say Islam only has one interpretation, does christianity have one interpretation. at one point christians massacred millions of women who were supposedly witches because the bible say clearly to kill witches.
xingyimaster1987 1 year ago
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Christianity turned the Roman world upside down during the first three centuries by the sheer power of the grace of God manifested in the loving and forgiving attitudes of Christians, who were willing to suffer and die for their faith. By contrast, Islam conquered much of the Roman world during the first century of its expansion (632-732) by slaughtering a countless number of innocent people and forcing their faith upon the survivors. What a difference?
PRIDEISSIN1 1 year ago
@PRIDEISSIN1, actually there is clear difference. Islam never forced its faith on anyone. you acknowledged this yourself. have you not heard of jizyah? the payment of tax for living in the Islamic state. that dhimmi has to be protected and can never be harmed by muslims. that is a hell of a lot more merciful then the christian convert or dies approach. and furthermore the muslims did take land by force, but they never converted by force. so Islam spread legitimately unlile christianity.
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PRIDEISSIN1 1 year ago
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Prophet Muhammad was extremely intelligent, cruelest, and very cunning human being indeed! He realized very well that to materialize his narcissistic dream, he needed to incite/energized Bedouin illiterate and desperately vagabond poor Arabs to unite and fight his enemy the Pagans and Jews.
He understood very well, as to, what could be the crucial objects/materials that will be most attractive to those Pagan Arabs
PRIDEISSIN1 1 year ago
@xingyimaster1987
The Bible Does not Enjoin the Use of Warfare to Promote the Worship of the True God .Another important point to consider is that nowhere the Old or New Testaments command God's people to attack pagan nations, either in self-defence or as a way to promote the true worship of God. The proclamation of salvation in the Bible is always by witnessing and persuasion. Motivation in Muhammad's warfare is spreading of the rule of Islam by destroying and looting the enemies.
PRIDEISSIN1 1 year ago
@PRIDEISSIN1, wow i find it funny that you have not responded to half the points i left. am i wasting my time trying to debate someone who does not know what they are talking about and likes to go in circles? this only indicates to me you dont know the bible very well. no offence, but the watered down, sanitised christianity your sunday pastor gives you, is far from the reality. read the whole bible from beginning to end, then read into christianties violent dark history. that should wake u up
xingyimaster1987 1 year ago
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Is this person is a true prophet
1.Narrated Aisha: Magic was worked on Allah's Apostle so that he used to think that he had sexual relations with his wives while he actually had not. (SBukhari, Volume 7, Book 71, Number 660)
Ali reported that the Apostle of Allah said, ‘There is in Paradise a market wherein there will be no buying or selling, but will consist of men and women. When a man desires a beauty, he will have intercourse with them.’” (Al Hadis, Vol. 4, p. 172, 34]
PRIDEISSIN1 1 year ago
@PRIDEISSIN1, i dont see your point prophets can have magic done on them, you believe in magic too dont you. as for that second hadith about the market, that is a false hadith, if it is not in one of the six books of hadith it is fake.
xingyimaster1987 1 year ago
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The fear of hell fire, and unlimited greed for lustful heavenly pleasures were the most important driving force which has kept most pagan Arabs totally tamed to the Prophet Muhammad’s wishful mission of establishing Islam. Even today, the same fear of hellfire and greed of lustful heavens are the most important and primary elements (Opium) which is keeping almost 1 Billion human beings not only subdued or numb, but devoid of any norm, or human sense.
PRIDEISSIN1 1 year ago
@PRIDEISSIN1, wow, i can see you can copy and paste, the sign of failed argument. you cant debate christianity anymore, you lost that debate, so now it is time to copy and paste crap!
xingyimaster1987 1 year ago
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Open sex market, wine, 72 virgins, young boys in heaven !!!!
The only possible creator of this debauchery is the Prince of Darkness, the fallen malevolent, the blasphemer of the Father – Lucifer himself. This fallen prince and all his discontented angels and men are on a subway to Hell. This subway is gaining speed and is soon to arrive at the depot of darkness.
PRIDEISSIN1 1 year ago
@xingyimaster1987
From Medina,
Most important driving force behind their craze was war booties: sex with those beautiful young ladies of defeated pagans, wine, and other earthly goods which most Bedouin Arabs could not even dream in their entire life. As a result they were totally fearless fighters and wanted to die in a hurry in order to achieve those incredible heavens in the after life. This was the key factor which brought Prophet Muhammad’s victory after victory over the Arab Pagans.
PRIDEISSIN1 1 year ago
matthew 5:17, jesus clearly says he has not come to ABOLISH the old law but rather fulfil it. what does that mean to you? it means the law is not to be rejected and that it is still binding. plz dont give me shit that when jesus says FULFIL, he means the law is abolished but in a polite way. it is paul who said the OT is no longer binding, paul the imposter. jesus does not say that anywhere, nor does he condemn the OT laws as barbaric as you condemn the shariah. think about that.
xingyimaster1987 1 year ago
and please answer my point, do you not believe jesus will return as the warrior king to kill infidels for not accepting him, sending them straight to hell. how is it christians are always talking shit saying "jesus loves you, jesus loves you". if jesus loved me then why when he returns is he going to kill me and then throw me in hell. your religion is filled with contradicitions.
xingyimaster1987 1 year ago
@xingyimaster1987
It is difficult to talk to you. When I mentioned 4 schools of Islam you said that is not a big deal because Islam is not static When I explained the verses from my book you do not want to but it. So what?
1.Yes when Jesus returns, there will be violence " to manifest God's holiness on unrepentant sinners" exactly like sodomy and flood during Noah's time[ after more than 2000 years of warning]
2.Why do not you ask me, why I am eating pork, no circumcision and no sacrifices?
PRIDEISSIN1 1 year ago
@PRIDEISSIN1, i dont understand what you have written here: -"When I explained the verses from my book you do not want to but it. So what?" i cannot reply if your sentences do not make grammatical sense. so you admit jesus will return as the violent king, killing infidels and casting them into the lake of fire. basically becoming the OT god again, the same god who sanctioned the killing of children, rape and massacre. your god must be a god of peace, only joking!
xingyimaster1987 1 year ago
@xingyimaster1987
Jesus came to fulfill the law not to abolish it. I hope you understand it. He established the "new covenant".
The OT Mosaic covenant is not binding on us anymore.That is why.
All the verses in OT are given to Jews to deal with a specific situation not more not less. That is why Israel is then and now is 0.01% of the middle east.
Muslim quoting those verses as universal messages and applying it today on Bible. That is why you are wrong and continue to be ignorant?
PRIDEISSIN1 1 year ago
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90 Meecan suras do not have any hatred,violence or intolerance because prophet was powerless politically/militarily .When he got power in Medina, those suras been abrogated and replaced with extreme violence and hatred[ eg sura 9].Look at jihad level
1. No fighting
2.Fighting for self defense is permitted[ optional]
3.Fighting for self defense is mandatory
4.Offensive jihad against the whole world is mandatory.-sura 9
Islam slaughtered 270 million [AD 630- 1917] by jihad
PRIDEISSIN1 1 year ago
and what are you on about,dont you know the story of christ, he never acheived political power. he was always in a weak position, but you can see from these verses he had clear intentions to fight if he could. you christians are so stupid, you pick and choose your bible as you see fit. all you are doing to make christianity peaceful is rejecting most of the bible. you reinterpret and say violent verses are metaphoric but the peaceful verses are for all time.i can do the same with the Quran.
xingyimaster1987 1 year ago
Ezekiel 23:20 (New International Version, ©2011)
20 There she lusted after her lovers, whose genitals were like those of donkeys and whose emission was like that of horses.
PORNOGRAPHY IN THE SUPPOSED DIVINELY INSPIRED "GOOD BOOK". NO WONDER THOSE CELIBATE PRIESTS RAPE YOUNG BOYS, WHEN THE BIBLE KEEPS SEX IN THERE MIND.
xingyimaster1987 1 year ago
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Numbers 31:17-18 (King James Version) 17Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him. 18But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves.
KILLING OF CHILDREN AND RAPE ORDERED BY THE GOD OF THE BIBLE, JESUS
xingyimaster1987 1 year ago
Deuteronomy 22:28-29 NLT) If a man is caught in the act of raping a young woman who is not engaged, he must pay fifty pieces of silver to her father. Then he must marry the young woman because he violated her, and he will never be allowed to divorce her.
xingyimaster1987 1 year ago
When a man strikes his male or female slave with a rod so hard that the slave dies under his hand, he shall be punished. If, however, the slave survives for a day or two, he is not to be punished, since the slave is his own property. (Exodus 21:20-21 NAB)
xingyimaster1987 1 year ago
The servant will be severely punished, for though he knew his duty, he refused to do it. "But people who are not aware that they are doing wrong will be punished only lightly. Much is required from those to whom much is given, and much more is required from those to whom much more is given." (Luke 12:47-48
xingyimaster1987 1 year ago
Christians who are slaves should give their masters full respect so that the name of God and his teaching will not be shamed. If your master is a Christian, that is no excuse for being disrespectful.
1 Timothy 6:1-2
xingyimaster1987 1 year ago
we are told to protect the jews and christians, if the jews and christians live in an Islamic state, the muslim state must protect them, even if they are attacked by external forces.
xingyimaster1987 1 year ago
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In the Mishkat II we find an explanation for Jihad:
"[Jihad] is the best method of earning both spiritual and temporal. If victory is won, there is enormous booty and conquest of a country which cannot be equalled to any other source of earnings. If there is defeat or death, there is ever-lasting Paradise and a great spiritual benefit. This sort of Jihad is conditional upon pure motive, i.e. for establishing the kingdom of Allah on earth (Mishkat II, pg.253
PRIDEISSIN1 1 year ago
@xingyimaster1987
But you forgot to mention the following rules about Xns and Jews under sharia
1. They can not propagate their religion or convert people
2.They can not build a new church but only repair the existing one
3.They can not marry a Muslim girl
4.Their infidel testimony is not valid in a sharia court.They can not defend themselves.
5.They have to pay Jiziya[ war tax] as a symbol of humiliation and do not have equal rights with Muslim. They are second class citizens.
PRIDEISSIN1 1 year ago
@PRIDEISSIN1 there are many different interpretations of Islamic law? is there only one interpretation of the bible? tell me how do u explain how jesus never condemned slavery but told his followers how to beat slaves, you explain it away by saying it was a parable or some shit. what about when jesus said he never came to bring peace but the sword, that was metaphoric supposedly. what about the killing and raping your god ordered moses to do numbers 31? how do u interpret that?
xingyimaster1987 1 year ago
Many devout Muslims are aware of the abysmal lack of scientific achievements of the Islamic world in the last thousand years - but they commonly have recourse to the ingenious notion that the Koran anticipated all the Western scientific discoveries of the last thousand years; thus one can find electricity, quantum mechanics, relativity, and embryology in it
PRIDEISSIN1 1 year ago
@PRIDEISSIN1, are you a moron or something? are you not aware Islam had a golden age where muslims led the world in philosophy, astronomy, medicine, optics. you have not heard of omar khayyam, or ibn rushd. you moron, do some reading before you leave stupid comments. this golden age was in the last 1000 yrs by the way.
xingyimaster1987 1 year ago
@xingyimaster1987
Why there is nothing coming from Islamic world today? Do SA,Iran and other OPEC countries have any interest in research and scientific inventions, their interest is mainly to build mosque, print Quran and build madrases to produce terrorists. The golden age was due to result from looted properties and conquered people against their will. It can not last and it evaporated.Islam wiped out 90% Christianity then to 2% today.
PRIDEISSIN1 1 year ago
@PRIDEISSIN1, oh so now you change you argument to TODAY. before it was muslims have done nothing in the past 1000yrs, now you have to retract. you have been exposed moron. hahaha, the golden age was due to looting. so looting inspired omar khayyam to study and investigate astronomy, looting inspired al razi to discover the circulatory system. you are a joke my friend.
xingyimaster1987 1 year ago
@xingyimaster1987
Islam always want to credit for someone's work. It was then and today. Why not today with that much wealth with OPEC countries? It is like saying" all the prophets were Muslims". It would not work that way.Can you respond to my posts below? If not ,do not reply. It is waste of time.
PRIDEISSIN1 1 year ago
@PRIDEISSIN1, i have replied to your posts, or are you too dumb to see that. what gives you the right to interpret Islam in the most extreme way and then say that is real Islam., in that case i will pick and choose things from your bible and reinterpret christianity in an extreme way, and believe me in the bible i have plenty of material to work with.
xingyimaster1987 1 year ago
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1.He struck me on the chest which caused me pain, and then said: Sahih Muslim[Book 004, Number 2127]
2.Aisha complained that women are equal to dogs...1.9.498 [Sahih Bukhari]
3.Bukhari (60:311) I feel that your Lord hastens in fulfilling your sexual wishes and desires."
4.Narrated Aisha: Magic was worked on Allah's Apostle so that he used to think that he had sexual relations with his wives while he actually had not. (SBukhari, Volume 7, Book 71, Number 660)
PRIDEISSIN1 1 year ago
@xingyimaster1987
You are calling people dumb. See who is dumb below.You did not answer the treatment of jews/christians under Islam. now and 1400 years of history. 90% mIddle east christianity reduced to 2% today.If violent passages in The bible was universel message then, why Jesus did not shed a drop of blood during his time, and why Israel is a drop in the bucket now and then in M east?Why with billion of dollar revenew, Muslim countries have no interests in research and inventions?
PRIDEISSIN1 1 year ago
@PRIDEISSIN1, i did answer your question fool. i said there are many interpretations of Islam just like there are many interpretations of christianity. i can reinterpret christianity to be violent. and as for why jesus never spilled any blood, well he was too weak, he never had any power. but when he was the god of the old testament he ordered plenty of killing and rape, even the killing of children, read numbers 31. and isnt jesus going to return as the warrior king.
xingyimaster1987 1 year ago
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Can you show me one country in the world Islamic or secular which does not has a terrorist organization?
About 200 sects fighting and killing daily
Islam killed 270 million innocent human beings and wiped out 90% Christian middle east then to 2% today. per politicalislam/com
Middle East= 60million
Africa= 120 million
India/SA= 80 million
China/Budhist = 10 million
Total dead bodies=270 million
PRIDEISSIN1 1 year ago
@xingyimaster1987
If you were right,then why Israel then and now is 0.01% of the middle East.
1. Accept Islam 2.Pay Jiziya/submit to sharia 3.fight until get killed.Under sharia you subjugate people and oppress them in a box , humiliate them,- It can well be terrorism. This happens when Islam is in power. You create "Houses of Islam" vs" Houses of war"- It is hatred
A political ideology enforced by military force against the will of the people can not be called a religion
PRIDEISSIN1 1 year ago
@PRIDEISSIN1, i have answered you already, there are many interpretations of Islam. are you not aware the crusaders interpreted christianity in a very violent way, they went around massacring non christians, they didnt even offer them jizyah (lol). they took the example set in the bible of your god ordering the rape and massacre of the midianites. so dont criticise islam, look at what your own religion has done in history.
xingyimaster1987 1 year ago
@xingyimaster1987
All four schools of Islam agree on the subjects I mentioned
Christians who committed violence can not appeal to Christ's teaching for their actions.Muslims who committed violence always appeal to their prophet and The Quran
Christianity became a predominant religion in the 1 st 300 years without violence, conquest or political power.
Crusades or Inquisition has nothing to Christianity. Like Bernard Lewis said, Crusades was a delayed response to the Islamic violence.
PRIDEISSIN1 1 year ago
@PRIDEISSIN1, yeah all 4 schools of Islam agree, but who said Islam was static and not changing from time to time and place to place. just like christianity which has changed constantly throughout time, at some points christians take the violent passages literally, today it is more convenient to reject those passages. how many muslims are working to impose jizyah, next to none, they are getting on with there lives. the crusades had much to do with christianity and the bible justifies the murder.
xingyimaster1987 1 year ago
@xingyimaster1987
Once again where is the violence come from Christ's teaching. When Islam conquered the entire Christian Middle east, you think we should sit down and watch.Crusades was a delayed response to violent Islamic Jihad.
Christ could have start form a militia or preach violence when they get political power, but he did not.
I have no doubt that jiziya tax and subjugation of non Muslims will come back when Islam get upper hand under a Caliphate. Muslims lost their empire in 1917.
PRIDEISSIN1 1 year ago
@PRIDEISSIN1,
But those enemies of mine who did not want me to be king over them--bring them here and kill them in front of me.'"luke 19:27
Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. matthew 10:34
Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him. 18But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves.
numbers 31
xingyimaster1987 1 year ago
@xingyimaster1987
Those verses were answered 100's of times before elsewhere .About Luke 19.27.It is a parable on the day of judgment.It was not a commandment for his followers to do on earth.When God destroyed earth during Noah's time and also during Sodom, he did not had no sympathy. So that will happen during his second coming to "manifest his holiness on un repentant sinners" a theme is missing in the Quran.
Math 10:34 once again he is not taking about sword but the sword of division.
PRIDEISSIN1 1 year ago
@PRIDEISSIN1, what a bullshit response, "the sword of division" hahaha, a parable of the day of judgement. use your head. didnt i say christians reinterpret verses as metaphoric or parable as they see fit. of course it is very convenient in this day and age to ignore these veres. and furthermore every parable has a moral or message behind it. and surely you believe jesus will return as the warrior king ans slay any non believers and send them to hell. jesus loves us all!
xingyimaster1987 1 year ago
@xingyimaster1987
When 90 peaceful suras in Mecca replaced with loot and lustful heaven for his worriers in Medina[su-9], see what happened with Islam
". If victory is won, there is enormous booty and conquest of a country which cannot be equalled to any other source of earnings. If there is defeat or death, there is ever-lasting Paradise and a great spiritual benefit. This sort of Jihad is conditional upon pure motive, i.e. for establishing the kingdom of Allah on earth (Mishkat II, pg.253]
PRIDEISSIN1 1 year ago
@PRIDEISSIN1, if there is one thing this debate has taught me it is we muslims know more about the bible then christians. you struggle to refute many of my points and just ignore them as if they were never put forward. you are ignorant and foolish of Islam and your own religion, how pitiful. how can u reject the OT when jesus says in matthew not to. the law that a raped woman should be forced to marry her rapist is still binding, so is slavery, so is beating slaves to death as exodus states!
xingyimaster1987 1 year ago
@xingyimaster1987
Once again if those violent passages in the OT were universal messages, why Israel is 0.01% of the middle east now and then? Why did not Christians used to form militia and began to fight. Constantine became christian because of his change of heart not through violence.Jesus was weak?. If you study 35 miracles he did, you would not say that. For Muhammad he can not perform a miracle. So he called Quran a miracle, and night journey to Jerusalem, no one can verify a miracle
PRIDEISSIN1 1 year ago
@PRIDEISSIN1, wow your answers are crap. jesus was very weak during his time, u can see from his preachments he had the intention to fight but could not. him and his 12 disciples would have gotten massacred. Mohammed performed many miracles, he split the moon, he produced water for over a 1000 people from one cup. and who said the OT was not universal. did jesus not say in matthew the old testament laws are binding forever, and he who cancels this law will be cursed.
xingyimaster1987 1 year ago
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Your response is not rational. According to Islam ,Jesus was one of the mightiest prophet ever lived. He fed 5000 people with five loaf of bread and raised Lazar from dead. So why can not he form a militia like Mohammad and fight against the Romans.If Allah was with Him why it was not possible?.
About those verse, that is what is exactly means, a Muslim can not see it.His disciples got killed for witnessing Him. They did not rise a finger against their enemies .
PRIDEISSIN1 1 year ago
@PRIDEISSIN1, your response is not rational. i consider the biblical jesus and the jesus of the Quran two seperate people. and from your own bible it is clear jesus was weak, his followers could do nothing when they went to crucify him. jesus clearly had violent ambitions such as when he told his followers to sell there clothes for weapons, but in the end he was too weak. btw, you cant reject the old testament laws, jesus makes that very clear in matthew and in luke.
xingyimaster1987 1 year ago
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Also in Mishkat II we learn about Jihad, Abu Hurairah reported that the Messenger of Allah said: To whichever village you go and settle therein, there is your share therein, and whichever village disobeys Allah and His Messenger, its one-fifth is for Allah and His Messenger, and the remainder is for you (Muslim, Mishkat II, pg.412)."These are offensive Jihad. What were Muslims defending in North Africa, or Spain, France, India, Persia, Syria, Anatolia or the Balkans?
PRIDEISSIN1 1 year ago
Sheikh Hamza Yusef is a great speaker!
ArabianBaller91 1 year ago
Jews see Arabs as "Amalek" עֲמָלֵק who are the ancient enemies of Jews & whom Jewish Law (Halakha) mandates much be "annihilated".
Israeli "academic" Hannah Kasher (Bar-Ilan Uni.) wrote in a paper called: "Rationales Justifying Collective Punishment of Amalek" *(ie: justifying killing Arab kids):
"Any person descended of Amalek (Arabs) has a death sentence over his head from the moment of his birth.... one does not refrain from killing women & children."
From: watch?v=MY08-JuClb4
SuperAntiZionist 1 year ago
A few rules insulting women in Islam
1.She has to bring 4 witness to prove a rape otherwise she will be charged with adultery
2.She can not convert or marry to a non Muslim
3.He can marry up to 4 but she can marry only one.
4.Two woman witness= 1 man witness
5.He can say divorce three times and get ride of her but she can not.
6.He can beat a disobedient wife but she can not
7.To re marry a divorced husband, she has to marry another man then he need to divorce her
PRIDEISSIN1 1 year ago
@PRIDEISSIN1
1- same to man
2-yes she can convert if she wants , she cant marry non Muslim if shes a Muslim because she will be introduced to his non Muslim family and his child too not vise versa and might force her to
3- so prophets like moses how many wives did he have? have u heard any thing like women got 2 husband? no.
4- theres some special cases to that( not in everything)
5-yes she can go to a lawyer and request divorce
7-very light beat not for hurting psychically
Islam4way 1 year ago
@Islam4way
About women you are wrong in all seven points.
1. In Pakistan 70% women are rape victims in jail because they can not provide 4 witness
2.Muslim men can marry non muslim girls
3.God never commanded polygammy in OT or NT it was a human idea
4.Not special situation.It is your opinion
5.Yes she has to court for men it is 100 times easy
6.The quran dose not say she can beat back, or beat lightly.that is your opinion
7.It is one of the most insulting rules. Why the burden on her
PRIDEISSIN1 1 year ago
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@PRIDEISSIN1 lol do you read what the bible says about women?
Islam4way 1 year ago
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@PRIDEISSIN1 If a man happens to meet a virgin who is not pledged to be married and rapes her and they are discovered, he shall pay the girl's father fifty shekels of silver. He must marry the girl, for he has violated her. He can never divorce her as long as he lives. (From the NIV Bible, Deuteronomy 22:28)
MARRY YOUR RAPISTS!!
Kimikimer 1 year ago
@Islam4way 7-very light beat? WTF?! how?... 2-why she cant marry non-muslim? 3-so that's not bias? 5-so the lawyer can divorse them.. not God?...
deltronx2 1 year ago
@deltronx2 yes the lawyer can divorce them by god
Islam4way 1 year ago
@PRIDEISSIN1
8-thats not realy degrading the women
if u wanna read about degrading women read the bible
Islam4way 1 year ago
Quran (8:12) - "I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them" No reasonable person would interpret this to mean a spiritual struggle.
PRIDEISSIN1 1 year ago
@PRIDEISSIN1 Muhammad in the bible (Song of Solomon 5:16) has been translated to "all together lovely" in the English bible but its self in the Hebrew bible.
Prophecy in Arabia (Isaiah 21:13)
story of "Al-alak" that is in the Noble Quran about Muhammad foretold in ( Isaiah 29:11-18)
Word "muslim" used by jesus in aramaic bible but translated to " perfect" in english bible (Luke 6:40)
GOD" in Arabic and Aramaic is and sound the same
Islam4way 1 year ago
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Bukhari (52:177) - Allah's Apostle said, "The Hour will not be established until you fight with the Jews, and the stone behind which a Jew will be hiding will say. "O Muslim! There is a Jew hiding behind me, so kill him."
PRIDEISSIN1 1 year ago
Muslim will say to non Muslim you do not know Arabic or it is a weak hadith etc to defend your prophet.Do Islamic scholars know Greek?
Sura 9 alone is 'The manifesto of hatred and violence.
2-191-193,244,3-56,151,4-74,76,8,95,104, 5-33,,8-33,12,15,39,57,59-60,9-5,14,20,29,30,38-39,41,42,73,88,111,123, 18-65-81, 2-44, 25-52,33-60,62, 47-35,48-17,29,61-4,10,12
PRIDEISSIN1 1 year ago
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PRIDEISSIN1 1 year ago
People who quote violent passages from the OT should ask the following questions themselves.
1.Why Israel now and then is a drop in the bucket,if the messages was universal in OT?
2.Why Christians do not follow the OT Mosaic covenant? eg.Pork,circumcision,sacrifices.
3.Even 90% Christianity reduced to 2% today in ME,why you do not see a christian militant/ guerrilla organizations as in Islam[almost every country in the world Muslim or secular]
Jesus,prince of peace said love your enemy
PRIDEISSIN1 1 year ago
@PRIDEISSIN1 defend there country and are called terrorist for defending it
and of the excuse of 9/11 that George bush that planned himself
Islam4way 1 year ago
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Muslim will always said their red. Digvijay mother is from Islam. sorry father
shrik2003 1 year ago
Muslim will always said their red. Digvijay mother is from Islam.
shrik2003 1 year ago
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PRIDEISSIN1 1 year ago
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PRIDEISSIN1 1 year ago
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Allah's Apostle said, ‘Know that Paradise is under the shades of swords.’" (vol. 4, p. 55)[ Bukhari]
Allah's Apostle said, ‘I have been ordered to fight with the people till they say, ‘None has the right to be worshipped but Allah,’ and whoever says, ‘None has the right to be worshipped but Allah,’ his life and property will be saved by me…" (vol. 4, p. 124).
Whoever changed his Islamic religion, then kill him." (vol. 9, p. 45)
Quran:5:54, 8.12,65,59-60 ,9:5,14,29 61:4, 47:4,61:4
PRIDEISSIN1 1 year ago
Look at the rewards for jihadists.80% loot go to them 20% go to the prophet. In case if you die you go heaven and get most lustful and materialistic heaven .It is win win situation for them.After the conquest of Meeca, humiliated,defeated pagans converting to Islam is not "their change of heart".They do not have an option.For the people of the book,you can practice your religion by paying jiziya.
Under sharia, I can not propagate my religion,cannot convert,can not build a new church .Slavery
PRIDEISSIN1 1 year ago
@PRIDEISSIN1 Muhammad peace pbhu said don't kill childerns , women , the old or a civilian ( anyone who isnt fighting against you) but your bible status order of killing men children and non virgin women and the young virgin girls are raped and its is filled with murders ,contradictions and pornography( Judges 21:10-24 ) (Numbers 31:7-18) (Deuteronomy 20:10-14) (2 Samuel 12:11-14 NAB) (Exodus 21:7-11 ) and more so what did the prophet do with the 20% read (The Noble Quran, 2:177 & 2:220)
Islam4way 1 year ago
@Islam4way
My friend, you are grossly mistaken.Yes the passages you mentioned are indeed violent in the OT.We Christians are not under Mosaic covenant.That i why we call it OT.
1.The OT violence are manifestations of God's holiness on unrepentant sinners after giving 100's or 1000's of years warning. A message missing in the Quran
2.When God destroyed the world with flood and also in Sodom, did he he separate woman and children.No
that is the day of judgment by God.
PRIDEISSIN1 1 year ago
@PRIDEISSIN1 i suggest you to read (Numbers 31:7,17-18)
and (Deuteronomy 20:16)
see what God says in your BIBLE in (1 Samuel 15:2-4) i dare you to show me a verse like that in the quran.
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about umar thats just what shia says shia is just a cult just like jahovas witness in christianaty
Read from the quran
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JIZIYA IN THE BIBLE (Deu 20:10-15)
Islam4way 1 year ago