US 1st Ammendment: "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof . . ."
and no i'm not going to shut up and move. My family and friends are here.
I should just live with it!?!? wtf!?!? Not if it negatively affects the way I live and the people around me. You ignorant fuck... Bush killed thousands if not a million under the name of Christianity.. Religious people always tell us to just shut up. Nope, not until we kill your asses
So let me get this straight. You are angry because you believe that Bush Killed in the Name of Christianity. So because you think that you are going to kill us. That seems a little thwarted don't you think. That you will resort to murder.
Yeah, like how your religion resorted to murder during the Inquisition, Holocaust and the Crusades! This is a SECULAR nation, read the Constitution for once instead of your FICTITIOUS fairy tales A.K.A the bible.
Tell who ever you want pray when ever you want, but that doesn't mean that everyone else should have to lision to it. Chruch and State shouldn't be in bed togther the last time that happened people got burnt and the steak...not for that seeings how i'd be one of them.
anywho I'm think christians are the last ones that have to worry about "clubs and pitchforks"
And I'm sorry but as a person that actaully does accept ALL believe systomes it's only when you bring belifes in to schools and court rooms and such that we have problems and division. Not everyone is christain, but we are all americans. Beliefs are something that are personal.
you know I don't think with a neocon running this country that you really have to worry about your chruch being taking off the face of the earth, okay and alot of the founding fathers where Freemansons.
I am a Christian and America is not a Christian country it was at one time but the fruits of the spirit of what Christianity is, is not represented is America with American Idol worship of celebrity's and a billion dollar porn and gun industry. It has Christians in it but is not a Christian country.
Actually if you read the Bible you would know the Bible doesn't condone that. So in fact, your definition of a Christian nation isn't in fact a biblically-based Christian nation.
Kgjo8: I have read the Bible. what bothers me about someone saying this is a Christian Nation is they don't define what they mean by that. In what sense do you think this is a Christian Nation?
"Infalluble truth"? What's infalluble? You like GW Bush, don't you. LOL. I like that. You argue about your freedoms, then tell everyone who disagrees with you to "get out!" LOL.
I believe some of the policies of George Bush are horrible. Nevertheless, our freedom as Christians had been paid for and bought by other believers in christ. Remember also in my video I did not say disagree. I said if you don't like it get out. This is a Christian Nation.
No, it isn't, luv. We stole it from the previous inhabitants. Or don't you know your own nation's history? This has NEVER been a Christian nation, but rather a nation of mostly Christians. There have always been non-Christians here. The plaque on the Statue of LIBERTYT doesn't say, "only send me Christians and people who love Christians," it says "Send us your tired," etc. There is nothing in the Constitution that says that only Christians or those who love Christians can be born and live here.
Does certainty of conviction ultimately lead to witch hunts and religious inquisitions? Our founding fathers certainly believed so - separation of church and state was imparative to protect all from those who believed in their "fundamental" superiority. Killers have a "fundamental" need to dehumanize their victims - it rationalizes their actions.
He can't because there is nothing in any legal definitions that make this a Christian nation. The guy is going solely by emotions, rather than any facts. Here's one fact - our Constitution was not based on the Bible, it was based on the Iriqoi(SP?) congress, a non-Christian nation of Native Americans, who occupied this nation long before this guys "Christian Nation" people ever thought about coming here. This guy doesn't know what he's talking about.
Not at all. The Iriquios Nation was only one of the inspirations for the Constitution. We have never been a Christian Nation, as I mentioned. That is a revisionist pile of garbage.
Hi Gentle: I was teasing. But I would like to hear a Christian explain how we are a "Christian Nation". I think it's a vague motto that Christians spout to somehow support their political positions. Sort of a manifest destiny concept. I suspect what they are saying is the foundation of the U.S. is culturally Christian that law and public policy should flow from that "fact". I think it's a desire to have a God standard instead of a secular relative standard.
There's a problem w/this admittedly strawman I've set-up. Christianity doesn't contain "a" set standard. They claim it is God but in reality it is someone's interpretation of what God's standard is, and that varies making it relative. The founding fathers knew this, they had just seen 300 years of religious wars. I think "Christian Nation" is one of these terms Christians throw out there to rally the troops but in reality it's a vacuous concept.
Seeing that there are some 20,000 denominations of Christianity (I got that from the World Almanac), I'd say that if this country ever became a "Christian Nation", it would collapse under it's own weight, because there would be no coherrent definition of what it means. This guy only uses one definition - his - of which he cannot define what he means. I have nmoticed from his videos that he uses those very same vague statements but never defines what he means.
Usually a Theocracy, which kills the people who don't agree with it's holy book. If you want to know what a Christian Nation is, read the books about the Burning Times, as well as the Inquisition. I pray to the Christian God that we never become a so-called "Christian Nation." Theocracies are the most horrible types of government there is.
I should have seen the smiley. Sorry. I agree about the Christian nation. I have seen the fundy's love to use vague terms like Family values, traditional values, etc., which are never explained. I vote with you. This guy should define "Christian Nation." I can tell you this - they need some sort of boogeyman to define themselves, so they can claim the need to return to "God's design for this country." Ha!
The idea that this is a Christian Nation is an interesting notion and it's not always clear to me what people mean when they say that. Certainly the original settlers and revolutionaries came from a culture that was Christian. Most the founding fathers were nominal Christians at least, some may have been deists. They weren't fundamentalists and they were very careful to set up a secular constitution avoiding a theocracy.
A look at the Constitution quickly dispels any notion that Christian doctrine was held as essential to the government they wanted to establish.
If by Christian Nation one means Christianity was and is the predominate religion, I grant that. But then you could also say we are a white Anglo-Saxon nation. We were a slave owning nation.
Christian thought is one of a number of influences that shaped this country.
Probably the Magna Carta, enlightenment, John Locke define us more than Christian Doctrine.
I'm sorry you feel persecuted and don't know the particulars of your situation. Generally I see Christians trying to force doctrine into public policy and getting swatted down because it's unconstitutional. You say if people don't want a Christian Nation they should leave. It's a secular government. If someone wants to live in a Christian theocracy they should leave.
US 1st Ammendment: "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof . . ."
and no i'm not going to shut up and move. My family and friends are here.
I should just live with it!?!? wtf!?!? Not if it negatively affects the way I live and the people around me. You ignorant fuck... Bush killed thousands if not a million under the name of Christianity.. Religious people always tell us to just shut up. Nope, not until we kill your asses
thesuedeheads 3 years ago
So let me get this straight. You are angry because you believe that Bush Killed in the Name of Christianity. So because you think that you are going to kill us. That seems a little thwarted don't you think. That you will resort to murder.
kryptologos 3 years ago
Yeah, like how your religion resorted to murder during the Inquisition, Holocaust and the Crusades! This is a SECULAR nation, read the Constitution for once instead of your FICTITIOUS fairy tales A.K.A the bible.
ExplosiveChickens 2 years ago
Tell who ever you want pray when ever you want, but that doesn't mean that everyone else should have to lision to it. Chruch and State shouldn't be in bed togther the last time that happened people got burnt and the steak...not for that seeings how i'd be one of them.
anywho I'm think christians are the last ones that have to worry about "clubs and pitchforks"
leiathegreat 4 years ago 2
And I'm sorry but as a person that actaully does accept ALL believe systomes it's only when you bring belifes in to schools and court rooms and such that we have problems and division. Not everyone is christain, but we are all americans. Beliefs are something that are personal.
leiathegreat 4 years ago 2
you know I don't think with a neocon running this country that you really have to worry about your chruch being taking off the face of the earth, okay and alot of the founding fathers where Freemansons.
leiathegreat 4 years ago
I feel for your oppression and I hope and pray your church will not get shut down.
james48890743 4 years ago 2
I am a Christian and America is not a Christian country it was at one time but the fruits of the spirit of what Christianity is, is not represented is America with American Idol worship of celebrity's and a billion dollar porn and gun industry. It has Christians in it but is not a Christian country.
james48890743 4 years ago
"All our founding fathers" I don't think so. Ever heard about Mordecai Sheftall of Savanah Georgia, or Haym Salomon of New York?
jsonitsac 4 years ago 2
Actually if you read the Bible you would know the Bible doesn't condone that. So in fact, your definition of a Christian nation isn't in fact a biblically-based Christian nation.
kgj08 4 years ago 2
Kgjo8: I have read the Bible. what bothers me about someone saying this is a Christian Nation is they don't define what they mean by that. In what sense do you think this is a Christian Nation?
owheydusoapsk 4 years ago
"Infalluble truth"? What's infalluble? You like GW Bush, don't you. LOL. I like that. You argue about your freedoms, then tell everyone who disagrees with you to "get out!" LOL.
gentletouch1 4 years ago
I believe some of the policies of George Bush are horrible. Nevertheless, our freedom as Christians had been paid for and bought by other believers in christ. Remember also in my video I did not say disagree. I said if you don't like it get out. This is a Christian Nation.
kryptologos 4 years ago
But what does, "this is a Christian nation" mean? In what sense is this a Christian nation?
owheydusoapsk 4 years ago
No, it isn't, luv. We stole it from the previous inhabitants. Or don't you know your own nation's history? This has NEVER been a Christian nation, but rather a nation of mostly Christians. There have always been non-Christians here. The plaque on the Statue of LIBERTYT doesn't say, "only send me Christians and people who love Christians," it says "Send us your tired," etc. There is nothing in the Constitution that says that only Christians or those who love Christians can be born and live here.
gentletouch1 4 years ago
Does certainty of conviction ultimately lead to witch hunts and religious inquisitions? Our founding fathers certainly believed so - separation of church and state was imparative to protect all from those who believed in their "fundamental" superiority. Killers have a "fundamental" need to dehumanize their victims - it rationalizes their actions.
mactruck01 4 years ago
I'd appreciate it if you would define what you mean by "Christian Nation".
owheydusoapsk 4 years ago
And then given that definition, what does that mean regarding public policy in the U.S.? What should be different?
owheydusoapsk 4 years ago
He can't because there is nothing in any legal definitions that make this a Christian nation. The guy is going solely by emotions, rather than any facts. Here's one fact - our Constitution was not based on the Bible, it was based on the Iriqoi(SP?) congress, a non-Christian nation of Native Americans, who occupied this nation long before this guys "Christian Nation" people ever thought about coming here. This guy doesn't know what he's talking about.
gentletouch1 4 years ago
So we are the really the Iroquois Nation?:)
owheydusoapsk 4 years ago
Not at all. The Iriquios Nation was only one of the inspirations for the Constitution. We have never been a Christian Nation, as I mentioned. That is a revisionist pile of garbage.
gentletouch1 4 years ago
Hi Gentle: I was teasing. But I would like to hear a Christian explain how we are a "Christian Nation". I think it's a vague motto that Christians spout to somehow support their political positions. Sort of a manifest destiny concept. I suspect what they are saying is the foundation of the U.S. is culturally Christian that law and public policy should flow from that "fact". I think it's a desire to have a God standard instead of a secular relative standard.
owheydusoapsk 4 years ago
They see the country slipping away from what it was and they assume it used to be more Christian and that was better. Kind of a good ole days view.
owheydusoapsk 4 years ago
There's a problem w/this admittedly strawman I've set-up. Christianity doesn't contain "a" set standard. They claim it is God but in reality it is someone's interpretation of what God's standard is, and that varies making it relative. The founding fathers knew this, they had just seen 300 years of religious wars. I think "Christian Nation" is one of these terms Christians throw out there to rally the troops but in reality it's a vacuous concept.
owheydusoapsk 4 years ago
Seeing that there are some 20,000 denominations of Christianity (I got that from the World Almanac), I'd say that if this country ever became a "Christian Nation", it would collapse under it's own weight, because there would be no coherrent definition of what it means. This guy only uses one definition - his - of which he cannot define what he means. I have nmoticed from his videos that he uses those very same vague statements but never defines what he means.
gentletouch1 4 years ago
Read the Bible, then you'll know what a Christian nation is.
kgj08 4 years ago
Usually a Theocracy, which kills the people who don't agree with it's holy book. If you want to know what a Christian Nation is, read the books about the Burning Times, as well as the Inquisition. I pray to the Christian God that we never become a so-called "Christian Nation." Theocracies are the most horrible types of government there is.
gentletouch1 4 years ago
I should have seen the smiley. Sorry. I agree about the Christian nation. I have seen the fundy's love to use vague terms like Family values, traditional values, etc., which are never explained. I vote with you. This guy should define "Christian Nation." I can tell you this - they need some sort of boogeyman to define themselves, so they can claim the need to return to "God's design for this country." Ha!
gentletouch1 4 years ago
No, we just were inspired by their form of Governmental laws.
gentletouch1 4 years ago
The idea that this is a Christian Nation is an interesting notion and it's not always clear to me what people mean when they say that. Certainly the original settlers and revolutionaries came from a culture that was Christian. Most the founding fathers were nominal Christians at least, some may have been deists. They weren't fundamentalists and they were very careful to set up a secular constitution avoiding a theocracy.
owheydusoapsk 4 years ago
A look at the Constitution quickly dispels any notion that Christian doctrine was held as essential to the government they wanted to establish.
If by Christian Nation one means Christianity was and is the predominate religion, I grant that. But then you could also say we are a white Anglo-Saxon nation. We were a slave owning nation.
Christian thought is one of a number of influences that shaped this country.
owheydusoapsk 4 years ago
Probably the Magna Carta, enlightenment, John Locke define us more than Christian Doctrine.
I'm sorry you feel persecuted and don't know the particulars of your situation. Generally I see Christians trying to force doctrine into public policy and getting swatted down because it's unconstitutional. You say if people don't want a Christian Nation they should leave. It's a secular government. If someone wants to live in a Christian theocracy they should leave.
owheydusoapsk 4 years ago