Hell God are Rules and Punishment. If god was God he has no enemies all are forgiven. You rtalking of a time with no rules, and wanting to get away from a Ruler. Its a moral code to follow thats it. Their is no hell, their is no bad place good place. Again, its like laws and order, brake them go to hell? are you batshit nuts?
Children with disabilities where born when the bible was made, we killed those kids. Those people are not in hell. But by todays standards they would? what changed?
actually when you die your soul is licked clean by a purple dragon and deposited in the areas between a double rainbow, as the rainbows disappear the sky absorbs your soul. when it rains your soul falls to earth in a raindrop, people drink the water, your soul goes into the testicles and becomes sperm, and you know the rest. God just filled me in on all this information, so, spread the word. amen
Do you guys believe your opinion will change him? Why care for him or show sympathy? You know whats funny about this shemale? He has no morals. I believe you can be athiest and have morals, but this over opinionated shemale does not and maybe religion is good for this kid cause then he would have to be not such a faggot, but too bad he doesn't want to be held accountable or morally obligated to confine to a life that would be considered decent to the normal standards of a human.
Do you honestly believe that Christianity (or any other religious views) are the best thing for others? Also, if God is all-knowing and all-powerful, then he was (and is) well aware of how things will turn out. So, why create an angel who would attempt to overthrow him? You say God doesn't sentence us to Hell, we do... If Hell exists, I choose not to go there despite my lack of a belief in a god or gods. Since I choose not to go, the only way I can go is if God makes me.
@jont43 When God first started off he made his very own first angles that would be there for him and these were his first living creations and when one turned his back on God, God was then starting to notice that not everyone in the world he would make would be good and it just taught him that not everyone he'll make will be angles and then when he made Adam and Eve, when they went against him and did the thing he said no to he realized again that not everyone would be good.
@jont43 Sorry, I ran out of space on the first reply, so when he first made those angles he thought they'd always be by his side and that he was so sure he thought he knew about them but when the one turned on him he saw that he didn't know about them like he thought and he sent him off Heaven where he created Hell. Then after Adam and Eve he started looking into futures. And at the end of your comment, the Devil will drag you down. Hell is more like a boot camp to straighten you out.
@scruciating If your god is perfect and he created something, how could it be anything BUT perfect? Also, explain why Noah and his family got to live, but god flooded the Earth and killed EVERYTHING else. Were all the infants evil? Was Noah, a drunk, REALLY the only true believer? The most deserving of life? If he, his wife and his children repopulated the Earth, then they were having excessive incestuous sex.
@jont43 If god is so powerful, then how was that his only option? When he sent "his only begotten son" to die for our sins, why was THAT his only option? If Jesus was also god, as most Christians believe, then why did he have to sacrifice himself to himself in order to forgive mankind? If Jesus was just the son and not partly god, then why was THAT his only option? God required a human sacrifice? How loving. If he is TRULY all-powerful, he could have just forgiven us.
@jont43 god didnt want to create robots, thats why god put the tree of good and evil in the garden. god wants mankind to chose him by chose, when adam sinned that created sin nature and we are all born with that sin nature, since sin cant enter heaven we are all headed to hell. but god loved us so much he sent jesus to take our sin on him and pay the price for it. (death) once jesus was rose from the dead now through jesus we can be forgiven sin and enter heaven. thats why jesus is the only way
@mrcooldude964 You didn't answer the question at all. Regardless, prove ANY of this as fact. Go ahead - I'm waiting. The fact is that your only proof is the book it's written in. A book that condones slavery, incest, murder in "god's" name, etc... The book is NOT good.
@jont43 the price for sin is death, only option for god was to die and pay the price for sin in our place so that through him we can be forgiven our sin and enter heaven, death is the only price for sin. god loved us so much he sent his son to die on our place
@jont43 I really want to help you believe but you seem to be a person of evidence so if you'd really like to find the truth try reading the bible. I promise all your questions will be answered.
@scruciating I have read it. Every word of it. God condones slavery, killing in his name, requires worship for salvation... I'm not okay with the "morality" put forth by that book. I was a Christian for about 16 years and I'm well-versed in religion. Perhaps you should read your Bible again and do so without presumption. Christians debate their positions dishonestly 99% of the time because they're unwilling to acknowledge the problems with that book. Until you can, there's no point in trying.
@jont43 Anything is possible with God. He thinks diffrently from us so we may not understand what he's doing exactly but God does everything for a reason and always has a plan.
@scruciating You say he does everything for a reason and I have heard that before. My problem is that, omnipotent or not, there's no reason good enough for slaughtering entire populations including women and children. None. Respond if you like, but you're as morally bankrupt as the "god" in your Bad Book, so I'll not waste my breath on such abomination. Enjoy.
@jont43 Everyone has their own free will and because people used their free will to vote for the president who makes everyone bankrupt but, when people die they go to the after life. Death is soooo beautiful and it's like graduating to Heaven, or you flunk and spend a bit of time in Hell. The after life is a good enough reason. Sorry I took so long to reply. My computer was down.
Ur attempts at pontificating are utterly absurd with Ur hand gestures, extended pauses, pomposity, and let's not forget that southern accent. Ur utter lack of knowledge leaves U looking like something of a buffoon. Maybe in 2 or 3 years when U finish high school and then go on to college U'll be in a better position to formulate a rational position and present it via a video clip. But even then U still won't be qualified to hold a candle to Zinnia Jones. Good luck, kid.
Now before anyone says "Oh... but that is the OLD testament", know that according to Jesus, the OT still stands. Says it more than once... here is one : Mathew 5:18. So you must also murder homosexuls, and any woman who wasn't a virgin when she was married. You religion is horribly immoral and you don't even know it. Please actually read your bible. Cause you have not. I spent my whole life in church, actually READING THE BIBLE. church camp every summer. I read the whole thing. Its horrible.
@TheNonBeliever82 God told the Isrealites to not partake in the grotesque rites of sodomy, and human sacrafice the tribes surrounding them did. Then He told them to destroy any Isrealite who does (which to the Jews, was homosexuals). Many years later, his only son forbid killing of anyone, he said that God loves everyone, including sinners, and that instead of throwing stones we should convert them from their sinful ways.
So, no, we dont kill homosexuals, and someone has trouble reading.
@TheNonBeliever82 I took a point of yours and countered it. You claimed that bible verse meant Christians are supposed to murder people, I explained it doesnt.
If you are a christian... you believe that those who don't believe deserve to burn in hell. And god DOES sentence people to hell. Read your bible, accentmatt. I have read it. So why haven't you? and i am an atheist. Seems that we atheist seem to know MUCH more about the bible than the ones who claim to be christian. DERP!
Thank you. Thank you. THANK YOU! Its about time someone opens up about this. I'm getting sick of all these people thinking that us Christians hate everybody.
No we do not sentence ourselves to hell, God made the rules and he both pronounces and implements the punishment, hell. Now if you want to argue that people are "his enemies" because they "will not fully serve the kingdom of heaven" i.e. won't be complete slaves, go ahead. Of course a lot of people would be quite willing to fully serve if they knew of the consequences, unfortunately they are not given any real evidence that there are any.
@newperve According to the teachings of the Catholic Church we go to hell because we are too ashamed of our sins to humble ourselves and ask God for forgiveness upon our demise.
She didn't ask whether you WANTED them to go to hell. She asked why y'all feel those who don't believe something go there. It's not free will if you're being threatened with an eternity of torture.
If God wanted people to decide for themselves, there would be no consequence. We don't tell people who don't want treatment for cancer that we'll rape them with fiery pitchforks, now do we?
@ApplesThatRead According to the teachings of the Catholic Church we go to hell because we are too ashamed of our sins to humble ourselves and ask God for forgiveness upon our demise. IOW, we send ourselves to hell.
@RecBookHero That logic operates on the assumption that everyone believes in God. If one is an athiest- they do not believe they have sinned at all. They don't feel shame because there's no reason to think they're doing anything wrong. By extension, they don't want/need forgviveness not because they feel bad, they don't believe it *exist*. Not to mention, some athiest are genuinely GOOD people. There are several who have never as much as told a lie.
@ApplesThatRead No I know, I know plenty of good atheists and bad christians. Im saying according to Catholic teachings, thats if you are a catholic, you dont wind up in front of a cloud with a door on it, guarded by some dude with a halo that says, "Oh no wait, you were an atheist, so go to hell. Litterally." And on the way down you high 5 your buddies.
There are many ways to go to hell, but the bottum line is that you simply refuse to go to heaven. Youcouldbeashamed,arrogant,closeminded,etc.
@RecBookHero That's victim blaming. Besides, if all or even a majority of hell is filled with athiest, wouldn't they obviously be believers? And therefor, they'd have "repented" and wouldn't be in hell. There's no real logic in the argument that non-believers go to hell. It only serves to scare people into not questioning anything for fear of eternal punishment.
@ApplesThatRead Lets take this step by step: When you die, you "see" God, who reveals to you yourself in your truest form. You will see all the things you have done and how evil or good they have made you. Assuming you were evil, you will look "ugly" or "dirty" as most people put it, and you will need cleansing before you enter heaven (its just how it works apparently). Thats where purgutory comes in. However, sometimes people see God, and heaven, and how awesome it is, and they see....
@ApplesThatRead (cont.) themselves, and how ugly they are, and are too ashamed to let God cleanse them. They enter a state of grace where they say "No!" and no amount of reasoning will make them change. That person has gone to hell. You can change the story a little, perhaps the person refuses to go to pergutory because they think they are too good for cleansing, I dont know, the point is God doesnt look at you differently if your non christian, and he doesnt "send" you to hell.
@RecBookHero That has nothing to do with atheism. Citations (bible verses, science, etc) are needed for all of the above, btw. You have to prove "facts". If you die and SEE God then there is a God. If you die and don't, there is not. SImple. What on earth does this tale of being prideful and arrogant have to do with anything? And yes, God DOES send you to hell. If there's nothing God cannot do then accepting unreformed sinners into heaven is one of them, and he does not. That's sending.
@RecBookHero Your defense amounts to nothing but justification- why "its YOUR fault, not God's" and the philosophy that people are essentially evil. What if an athiest had never done ANYTHING wrong, ever? Hmmm..
@RecBookHero But said person (which could be a she, by the way, just saying) does not believe in God. They do not attend church, religious ceremony, blah blah. There are simply good people.
Zinnia asked "why do people deserve to go to hell FOR NOT PRACTICING YOUR RELIGION". Not why do bad people go to hell. Not why do sinners go to hell. People who don't practice YOUR religion.
@ApplesThatRead Thats my point! They dont! You dont go to hell for not practising my religion! Noone does!
And I dont know why, but sometimes I type in "he" out of habbit, same reason why I put, "you". This isnt a formal essay, so I dont usually proof read what I right even slightly. Nothing against people that do, Im just lazy that way.
@RecBookHero That could've saved several comments you know. your either initially changed from "we send ourselves to hell" to "No, they don't deserve" it. Either that or you weren't quite listening to ZInnia's question ;D
@RecBookHero Right here, the bible says to murder non believers : Anyone arrogant enough to reject the verdict of the judge or of the priest who represents the LORD your God must be put to death. Such evil must be purged from Israel. (Deuteronomy 17:12 NLT) ... Also read deuteronomy 17 Read that up until the 30 somethings... tells you that non believers and many more go to hell...
@RecBookHero here it is again... Whoever sacrifices to any god, except the Lord alone, shall be doomed. (Exodus 22:19 NAB)... Here it says once again to murder us : They entered into a covenant to seek the Lord, the God of their fathers, with all their heart and soul; and everyone who would not seek the Lord, the God of Israel, was to be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman. (2 Chronicles 15:12-13 NAB) Try actually READING your bible next time.
@TheNonBeliever82 Well first off, Im a Roman Catholic, and the Catechism says an unbaptized person can make it to heaven provided he seeks to do good. Second off, exodus 22:19 (which forbids having sex with animals) was set in a time where the Jews were surrounded by pagan barbarians that did all sorts of grotesque things, like human sacrafice. It was an effort to insure the Jews did mix in with these tribes. Third off, Chronicles says what happened, not what is to be done.
@RecBookHero If i posted a verse about beastality, i put up the wrong verse... And ya.. the bible does say many many times that non believers go to hell..and also to put non believers to death. I dont know if you were trying to debunk what i said, but if you were... you failed.
@TheNonBeliever82 Right.... Well if your attempting to look intelligent by throwing around some well thought out and creative sarcasm, you did not fail.
The bible said non believers WERE put to death, not to put them to death. Get it? It doesnt say, "Put non believers to death at all times."
The old testement doesn't even clearly mention hell, and even if it did, I told you what the catechism says.
Have they done anything wrong? No. Assuming you don't think not believing every little thing some man in a robe tells you is somehow wrong. They've done nothing. Accept not trust you unconditionally for no good reason.
If anything, its the CHRISTIANS who should go to hell for negatively reflecting their community to make it so people don't want to be a part of it. But, that's an opinion on my part.
@najjhhan Omnipotence doesn't equate to 'God can do anything'. Philosophically, it means 'God can do anything not contradictory to His nature'. Therefore, if it is contradictory of His nature to save unbelievers from Hell (which it is) He cannot bypass that fact.
This all makes sense, even if one doesn't believe in the Christian faith. You still need to see the value of a wise book such as the Bible for its metaphorical purposes. You can choose to ignore "rules" you find are not morally long such as those against gays, pre-maridal sex, and drugs. However satan can be a metaphor for the dark side of human beings pulling them down into a world were there mind tortures them for the choices they regret making.
@TerumiYuuki16 Also it has NOT been proven that even Jesus existed! Show me this undeniable proof you say scientists have? You cant, all you will produce is the same crap every other fanatic does, which NONE of it falls into the realm of PROOF! If you can, please link to me your proof. But all you will link me is some studies that say it is likely he did, but with no proof.
This is the biggest crock I've ever heard, and it's not the first time. So we're sentencing ourselves huh? Do Christians not say, over and over, that God is the ultimate judge? Do they not threaten us with eternal hell just for not believing? Is God not all-powerful, therefore he could, if he wanted to, persuade us conclusively of his existence (if he actually existed)? This is just a way of trying to absolve the God-character.
@TerumiYuuki16 Are you fucking serious!! LMAO you stupid retard, you show me where ANY REAL scientist has ever even come close to proving the existance of ANY god! The "does god exist" debates would not exist If it had been proven, and the Theists would not look so stupid trying too defend something they cant prove. Your an idiot!! I laugh at your stupidity!
she didnt ask why do christian want people to go to hell she ask why do you believe they will go there when the only difference is your religious beliefs
Actually acording to the story, God is the one who sends people to hell. Afterall he is the one who is supposed to ''judge'' us, wether or not we are going to hell.
The whole notion ''you send yourself to hell'' is just silly, i choose right now, i dont want to go to hell. Now the ball is back in Gods corner, he has now the choice of sending, or not sending me to hell.
Does not matter how much you try to twist this, its still your God who makes the call, so he is the one responsible.
LOL its funny cause hell was never mentioned in the old testament, hell was invented by man in the new testament to scare people into joining in on the whole christian faith.
This guy talks like he knows what he is talking about but he is getting all his half ass information from the bible which has NEVER been proven to have even one shred of truth to it.
@MrLinuxgui Mm, well, it's been proven Jesus actually existed. There's proof in his existence in both the bible and science. There's a shred of truth.
@NyxesRealms what science has never proved the existence of jesus!! LMAO. None! The bible is not proof in any way shape or form. Show me where science has proved the existence of jesus, and show me without using the bible your proof that he existed.
I love how he doesnt adress the issue. Zinnia asks "Why do they deserve Hell for not believing" and he says "Well now, you can make a choice to believe and be in Heaven, or not believe and go to Hell."....That doesnt answer shit. It doesnt answer why you'll alledgedly go to Hell for not following the Bible verbatum. Waste of time.
If God made the ape - then God and God alone is responsible for the ape's behaviour. If I made robots and gave them "free will", and they went out and killed someone - I'm responsible. Period. What the hell would make anyone, much less God - trust a monkey? I wouldn't.
we make the choice. not god. and if god were to take away that "free will", we wouldn't be free. love cannot be enforced. also heaven is an invitation, if you don't accept it. that's your choice. also think about this, if someone didn't trust you or respect you, would you want to them with you forever? everyone is different in their hearts as to why they deny god. god knows that. that's why how do we even know if ppl we know have gone to hell. he can reach them many ways.
@whatafart christians like he said christians aren't wishing ppl to hell. as annoying as we might seem to you, we're actually letting you know what's up. yes a lot of us, like anybody "human" for that matter, make mistakes and convey the wrong message. but that doesn't mean we all are like that. a lot of people lash out under the guise of their beliefs and ideas. Look at history and the effects of such people like hitler, karl marx, stalin, mussolini, etc.
I LOVE YOU AND EVERYTHING YOU STAND FOR OR EVER HAVE STOOD FOR...sorry u only had two comments and they were both negative. thought id change up the pattern
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BuzzTeddyHead 1 month ago
Hell God are Rules and Punishment. If god was God he has no enemies all are forgiven. You rtalking of a time with no rules, and wanting to get away from a Ruler. Its a moral code to follow thats it. Their is no hell, their is no bad place good place. Again, its like laws and order, brake them go to hell? are you batshit nuts?
Children with disabilities where born when the bible was made, we killed those kids. Those people are not in hell. But by todays standards they would? what changed?
scicero1 1 month ago
@scicero1 what changed is moral code of then and now.
scicero1 1 month ago
actually when you die your soul is licked clean by a purple dragon and deposited in the areas between a double rainbow, as the rainbows disappear the sky absorbs your soul. when it rains your soul falls to earth in a raindrop, people drink the water, your soul goes into the testicles and becomes sperm, and you know the rest. God just filled me in on all this information, so, spread the word. amen
emailtheoldies 1 month ago 2
I'm speaking of course about zinnia jones btw
KKFireFox 2 months ago
Do you guys believe your opinion will change him? Why care for him or show sympathy? You know whats funny about this shemale? He has no morals. I believe you can be athiest and have morals, but this over opinionated shemale does not and maybe religion is good for this kid cause then he would have to be not such a faggot, but too bad he doesn't want to be held accountable or morally obligated to confine to a life that would be considered decent to the normal standards of a human.
KKFireFox 2 months ago
Do you honestly believe that Christianity (or any other religious views) are the best thing for others? Also, if God is all-knowing and all-powerful, then he was (and is) well aware of how things will turn out. So, why create an angel who would attempt to overthrow him? You say God doesn't sentence us to Hell, we do... If Hell exists, I choose not to go there despite my lack of a belief in a god or gods. Since I choose not to go, the only way I can go is if God makes me.
jont43 2 months ago
@jont43 When God first started off he made his very own first angles that would be there for him and these were his first living creations and when one turned his back on God, God was then starting to notice that not everyone in the world he would make would be good and it just taught him that not everyone he'll make will be angles and then when he made Adam and Eve, when they went against him and did the thing he said no to he realized again that not everyone would be good.
scruciating 1 month ago
@jont43 Sorry, I ran out of space on the first reply, so when he first made those angles he thought they'd always be by his side and that he was so sure he thought he knew about them but when the one turned on him he saw that he didn't know about them like he thought and he sent him off Heaven where he created Hell. Then after Adam and Eve he started looking into futures. And at the end of your comment, the Devil will drag you down. Hell is more like a boot camp to straighten you out.
scruciating 1 month ago
@scruciating If your god is perfect and he created something, how could it be anything BUT perfect? Also, explain why Noah and his family got to live, but god flooded the Earth and killed EVERYTHING else. Were all the infants evil? Was Noah, a drunk, REALLY the only true believer? The most deserving of life? If he, his wife and his children repopulated the Earth, then they were having excessive incestuous sex.
jont43 1 month ago
@jont43 If god is so powerful, then how was that his only option? When he sent "his only begotten son" to die for our sins, why was THAT his only option? If Jesus was also god, as most Christians believe, then why did he have to sacrifice himself to himself in order to forgive mankind? If Jesus was just the son and not partly god, then why was THAT his only option? God required a human sacrifice? How loving. If he is TRULY all-powerful, he could have just forgiven us.
jont43 1 month ago
@jont43 god didnt want to create robots, thats why god put the tree of good and evil in the garden. god wants mankind to chose him by chose, when adam sinned that created sin nature and we are all born with that sin nature, since sin cant enter heaven we are all headed to hell. but god loved us so much he sent jesus to take our sin on him and pay the price for it. (death) once jesus was rose from the dead now through jesus we can be forgiven sin and enter heaven. thats why jesus is the only way
mrcooldude964 1 month ago
@mrcooldude964 You didn't answer the question at all. Regardless, prove ANY of this as fact. Go ahead - I'm waiting. The fact is that your only proof is the book it's written in. A book that condones slavery, incest, murder in "god's" name, etc... The book is NOT good.
jont43 1 month ago
@jont43 the price for sin is death, only option for god was to die and pay the price for sin in our place so that through him we can be forgiven our sin and enter heaven, death is the only price for sin. god loved us so much he sent his son to die on our place
mrcooldude964 1 month ago
@mrcooldude964 Proof, please.
jont43 1 month ago
@jont43 I really want to help you believe but you seem to be a person of evidence so if you'd really like to find the truth try reading the bible. I promise all your questions will be answered.
Bless you
scruciating 1 month ago
@scruciating I have read it. Every word of it. God condones slavery, killing in his name, requires worship for salvation... I'm not okay with the "morality" put forth by that book. I was a Christian for about 16 years and I'm well-versed in religion. Perhaps you should read your Bible again and do so without presumption. Christians debate their positions dishonestly 99% of the time because they're unwilling to acknowledge the problems with that book. Until you can, there's no point in trying.
jont43 1 month ago
@jont43 Anything is possible with God. He thinks diffrently from us so we may not understand what he's doing exactly but God does everything for a reason and always has a plan.
scruciating 1 month ago
@scruciating You say he does everything for a reason and I have heard that before. My problem is that, omnipotent or not, there's no reason good enough for slaughtering entire populations including women and children. None. Respond if you like, but you're as morally bankrupt as the "god" in your Bad Book, so I'll not waste my breath on such abomination. Enjoy.
jont43 1 month ago
@jont43 Everyone has their own free will and because people used their free will to vote for the president who makes everyone bankrupt but, when people die they go to the after life. Death is soooo beautiful and it's like graduating to Heaven, or you flunk and spend a bit of time in Hell. The after life is a good enough reason. Sorry I took so long to reply. My computer was down.
scruciating 1 month ago
Ur attempts at pontificating are utterly absurd with Ur hand gestures, extended pauses, pomposity, and let's not forget that southern accent. Ur utter lack of knowledge leaves U looking like something of a buffoon. Maybe in 2 or 3 years when U finish high school and then go on to college U'll be in a better position to formulate a rational position and present it via a video clip. But even then U still won't be qualified to hold a candle to Zinnia Jones. Good luck, kid.
surryflash 2 months ago 2
Now before anyone says "Oh... but that is the OLD testament", know that according to Jesus, the OT still stands. Says it more than once... here is one : Mathew 5:18. So you must also murder homosexuls, and any woman who wasn't a virgin when she was married. You religion is horribly immoral and you don't even know it. Please actually read your bible. Cause you have not. I spent my whole life in church, actually READING THE BIBLE. church camp every summer. I read the whole thing. Its horrible.
TheNonBeliever82 4 months ago
@TheNonBeliever82 God told the Isrealites to not partake in the grotesque rites of sodomy, and human sacrafice the tribes surrounding them did. Then He told them to destroy any Isrealite who does (which to the Jews, was homosexuals). Many years later, his only son forbid killing of anyone, he said that God loves everyone, including sinners, and that instead of throwing stones we should convert them from their sinful ways.
So, no, we dont kill homosexuals, and someone has trouble reading.
RecBookHero 4 months ago
@RecBookHero U just ignore everything i say and try to put words into my mouth. WHy do i bother trying to debate with stupid people...
TheNonBeliever82 4 months ago
@TheNonBeliever82 I took a point of yours and countered it. You claimed that bible verse meant Christians are supposed to murder people, I explained it doesnt.
As for your question, I often feel the same way.
RecBookHero 4 months ago
If you are a christian... you believe that those who don't believe deserve to burn in hell. And god DOES sentence people to hell. Read your bible, accentmatt. I have read it. So why haven't you? and i am an atheist. Seems that we atheist seem to know MUCH more about the bible than the ones who claim to be christian. DERP!
TheNonBeliever82 4 months ago
Thank you. Thank you. THANK YOU! Its about time someone opens up about this. I'm getting sick of all these people thinking that us Christians hate everybody.
whatwedo97 4 months ago
No we do not sentence ourselves to hell, God made the rules and he both pronounces and implements the punishment, hell. Now if you want to argue that people are "his enemies" because they "will not fully serve the kingdom of heaven" i.e. won't be complete slaves, go ahead. Of course a lot of people would be quite willing to fully serve if they knew of the consequences, unfortunately they are not given any real evidence that there are any.
newperve 6 months ago
@newperve According to the teachings of the Catholic Church we go to hell because we are too ashamed of our sins to humble ourselves and ask God for forgiveness upon our demise.
RecBookHero 6 months ago
deserve to go there* sorry :)
ApplesThatRead 6 months ago
She didn't ask whether you WANTED them to go to hell. She asked why y'all feel those who don't believe something go there. It's not free will if you're being threatened with an eternity of torture.
If God wanted people to decide for themselves, there would be no consequence. We don't tell people who don't want treatment for cancer that we'll rape them with fiery pitchforks, now do we?
ApplesThatRead 6 months ago
@ApplesThatRead According to the teachings of the Catholic Church we go to hell because we are too ashamed of our sins to humble ourselves and ask God for forgiveness upon our demise. IOW, we send ourselves to hell.
RecBookHero 6 months ago
@RecBookHero That logic operates on the assumption that everyone believes in God. If one is an athiest- they do not believe they have sinned at all. They don't feel shame because there's no reason to think they're doing anything wrong. By extension, they don't want/need forgviveness not because they feel bad, they don't believe it *exist*. Not to mention, some athiest are genuinely GOOD people. There are several who have never as much as told a lie.
ApplesThatRead 6 months ago
@ApplesThatRead No I know, I know plenty of good atheists and bad christians. Im saying according to Catholic teachings, thats if you are a catholic, you dont wind up in front of a cloud with a door on it, guarded by some dude with a halo that says, "Oh no wait, you were an atheist, so go to hell. Litterally." And on the way down you high 5 your buddies.
There are many ways to go to hell, but the bottum line is that you simply refuse to go to heaven. Youcouldbeashamed,arrogant,closeminded,etc.
RecBookHero 6 months ago
@RecBookHero That's victim blaming. Besides, if all or even a majority of hell is filled with athiest, wouldn't they obviously be believers? And therefor, they'd have "repented" and wouldn't be in hell. There's no real logic in the argument that non-believers go to hell. It only serves to scare people into not questioning anything for fear of eternal punishment.
ApplesThatRead 6 months ago
@ApplesThatRead Lets take this step by step: When you die, you "see" God, who reveals to you yourself in your truest form. You will see all the things you have done and how evil or good they have made you. Assuming you were evil, you will look "ugly" or "dirty" as most people put it, and you will need cleansing before you enter heaven (its just how it works apparently). Thats where purgutory comes in. However, sometimes people see God, and heaven, and how awesome it is, and they see....
RecBookHero 6 months ago
@ApplesThatRead (cont.) themselves, and how ugly they are, and are too ashamed to let God cleanse them. They enter a state of grace where they say "No!" and no amount of reasoning will make them change. That person has gone to hell. You can change the story a little, perhaps the person refuses to go to pergutory because they think they are too good for cleansing, I dont know, the point is God doesnt look at you differently if your non christian, and he doesnt "send" you to hell.
RecBookHero 6 months ago
@RecBookHero That has nothing to do with atheism. Citations (bible verses, science, etc) are needed for all of the above, btw. You have to prove "facts". If you die and SEE God then there is a God. If you die and don't, there is not. SImple. What on earth does this tale of being prideful and arrogant have to do with anything? And yes, God DOES send you to hell. If there's nothing God cannot do then accepting unreformed sinners into heaven is one of them, and he does not. That's sending.
ApplesThatRead 6 months ago
@RecBookHero Your defense amounts to nothing but justification- why "its YOUR fault, not God's" and the philosophy that people are essentially evil. What if an athiest had never done ANYTHING wrong, ever? Hmmm..
ApplesThatRead 6 months ago
@ApplesThatRead If he didnt do anything wrong then he goes to heaven.
RecBookHero 6 months ago
@RecBookHero But said person (which could be a she, by the way, just saying) does not believe in God. They do not attend church, religious ceremony, blah blah. There are simply good people.
Zinnia asked "why do people deserve to go to hell FOR NOT PRACTICING YOUR RELIGION". Not why do bad people go to hell. Not why do sinners go to hell. People who don't practice YOUR religion.
Got an answer? Yep.
ApplesThatRead 6 months ago
@ApplesThatRead Thats my point! They dont! You dont go to hell for not practising my religion! Noone does!
And I dont know why, but sometimes I type in "he" out of habbit, same reason why I put, "you". This isnt a formal essay, so I dont usually proof read what I right even slightly. Nothing against people that do, Im just lazy that way.
RecBookHero 6 months ago
@RecBookHero That could've saved several comments you know. your either initially changed from "we send ourselves to hell" to "No, they don't deserve" it. Either that or you weren't quite listening to ZInnia's question ;D
Either, glad we've settled this.
ApplesThatRead 6 months ago
@ApplesThatRead Yeah same here. I never changed my opinion, but I probably should have made what I was trying to say clearer.
RecBookHero 6 months ago
@RecBookHero Right here, the bible says to murder non believers : Anyone arrogant enough to reject the verdict of the judge or of the priest who represents the LORD your God must be put to death. Such evil must be purged from Israel. (Deuteronomy 17:12 NLT) ... Also read deuteronomy 17 Read that up until the 30 somethings... tells you that non believers and many more go to hell...
TheNonBeliever82 4 months ago
@RecBookHero here it is again... Whoever sacrifices to any god, except the Lord alone, shall be doomed. (Exodus 22:19 NAB)... Here it says once again to murder us : They entered into a covenant to seek the Lord, the God of their fathers, with all their heart and soul; and everyone who would not seek the Lord, the God of Israel, was to be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman. (2 Chronicles 15:12-13 NAB) Try actually READING your bible next time.
TheNonBeliever82 4 months ago
@TheNonBeliever82 Well first off, Im a Roman Catholic, and the Catechism says an unbaptized person can make it to heaven provided he seeks to do good. Second off, exodus 22:19 (which forbids having sex with animals) was set in a time where the Jews were surrounded by pagan barbarians that did all sorts of grotesque things, like human sacrafice. It was an effort to insure the Jews did mix in with these tribes. Third off, Chronicles says what happened, not what is to be done.
RecBookHero 4 months ago
@RecBookHero If i posted a verse about beastality, i put up the wrong verse... And ya.. the bible does say many many times that non believers go to hell..and also to put non believers to death. I dont know if you were trying to debunk what i said, but if you were... you failed.
TheNonBeliever82 4 months ago
@TheNonBeliever82 Right.... Well if your attempting to look intelligent by throwing around some well thought out and creative sarcasm, you did not fail.
The bible said non believers WERE put to death, not to put them to death. Get it? It doesnt say, "Put non believers to death at all times."
The old testement doesn't even clearly mention hell, and even if it did, I told you what the catechism says.
RecBookHero 4 months ago
@ApplesThatRead Which was her question:
Why do you feel athiest deserve to go to hell?
Have they done anything wrong? No. Assuming you don't think not believing every little thing some man in a robe tells you is somehow wrong. They've done nothing. Accept not trust you unconditionally for no good reason.
If anything, its the CHRISTIANS who should go to hell for negatively reflecting their community to make it so people don't want to be a part of it. But, that's an opinion on my part.
ApplesThatRead 6 months ago
immortal souls? will we live forever /watch?v=J0-QFtPVVDc
vidlover07 8 months ago
I'm sorry, but hell isn't a place. Hell is eternal separation from God.
jqqbeck 8 months ago
@jqqbeck Yeah, but you could refer to hell as the place of torture until the anti-christ and his followers are cast into the lake of fire
soup460 6 months ago
@jqqbeck as well as eternal separation from God....I forgot to mention that
soup460 6 months ago
bunch of shit
spaceorbison 9 months ago
@spaceorbison
Wanna elaborate on that?
CarlMinez 9 months ago
@CarlMinez Brainwashing religion
spaceorbison 9 months ago
@l0lercaust is the semantics of this point really all that important? the message is still clear.
najjhhan 9 months ago
''God doesn'I guess this just proves his non-omnipotence :3
OlderSnake 9 months ago
God created hell.
God can do anything.
God wants us two not go to hell.
For your argument to be correct 1 of these must be ignored or incorrect.
najjhhan 9 months ago
@najjhhan herp derp, people oversimplifying things who can't even spell "too" while pretending to be smart
l0lercaust 9 months ago
@najjhhan Omnipotence doesn't equate to 'God can do anything'. Philosophically, it means 'God can do anything not contradictory to His nature'. Therefore, if it is contradictory of His nature to save unbelievers from Hell (which it is) He cannot bypass that fact.
TheHumpadump 9 months ago
This all makes sense, even if one doesn't believe in the Christian faith. You still need to see the value of a wise book such as the Bible for its metaphorical purposes. You can choose to ignore "rules" you find are not morally long such as those against gays, pre-maridal sex, and drugs. However satan can be a metaphor for the dark side of human beings pulling them down into a world were there mind tortures them for the choices they regret making.
JustA1337Gamer 10 months ago
@TerumiYuuki16 Also it has NOT been proven that even Jesus existed! Show me this undeniable proof you say scientists have? You cant, all you will produce is the same crap every other fanatic does, which NONE of it falls into the realm of PROOF! If you can, please link to me your proof. But all you will link me is some studies that say it is likely he did, but with no proof.
MrLinuxgui 11 months ago
This is the biggest crock I've ever heard, and it's not the first time. So we're sentencing ourselves huh? Do Christians not say, over and over, that God is the ultimate judge? Do they not threaten us with eternal hell just for not believing? Is God not all-powerful, therefore he could, if he wanted to, persuade us conclusively of his existence (if he actually existed)? This is just a way of trying to absolve the God-character.
DandAinTac 11 months ago
@TerumiYuuki16 Are you fucking serious!! LMAO you stupid retard, you show me where ANY REAL scientist has ever even come close to proving the existance of ANY god! The "does god exist" debates would not exist If it had been proven, and the Theists would not look so stupid trying too defend something they cant prove. Your an idiot!! I laugh at your stupidity!
MrLinuxgui 11 months ago
she didnt ask why do christian want people to go to hell she ask why do you believe they will go there when the only difference is your religious beliefs
BigDJuggalo420 11 months ago
Actually acording to the story, God is the one who sends people to hell. Afterall he is the one who is supposed to ''judge'' us, wether or not we are going to hell.
The whole notion ''you send yourself to hell'' is just silly, i choose right now, i dont want to go to hell. Now the ball is back in Gods corner, he has now the choice of sending, or not sending me to hell.
Does not matter how much you try to twist this, its still your God who makes the call, so he is the one responsible.
Turha101 11 months ago
LOL its funny cause hell was never mentioned in the old testament, hell was invented by man in the new testament to scare people into joining in on the whole christian faith.
This guy talks like he knows what he is talking about but he is getting all his half ass information from the bible which has NEVER been proven to have even one shred of truth to it.
MrLinuxgui 1 year ago
@MrLinuxgui Mm, well, it's been proven Jesus actually existed. There's proof in his existence in both the bible and science. There's a shred of truth.
NyxesRealms 1 year ago
@NyxesRealms Oh is has has it!!! You show me the proof that Jesus existed, show me! LOL
now comes the part where he refers to the bible as his proof guys, watch!
MrLinuxgui 1 year ago
@NyxesRealms what science has never proved the existence of jesus!! LMAO. None! The bible is not proof in any way shape or form. Show me where science has proved the existence of jesus, and show me without using the bible your proof that he existed.
MrLinuxgui 1 year ago
I love how he doesnt adress the issue. Zinnia asks "Why do they deserve Hell for not believing" and he says "Well now, you can make a choice to believe and be in Heaven, or not believe and go to Hell."....That doesnt answer shit. It doesnt answer why you'll alledgedly go to Hell for not following the Bible verbatum. Waste of time.
deneous 1 year ago
Hey Matt, you're so full of shit, you're eyes are turning brown...
garydupuis 1 year ago
If God made the ape - then God and God alone is responsible for the ape's behaviour. If I made robots and gave them "free will", and they went out and killed someone - I'm responsible. Period. What the hell would make anyone, much less God - trust a monkey? I wouldn't.
OregonDARRYL 1 year ago
we make the choice. not god. and if god were to take away that "free will", we wouldn't be free. love cannot be enforced. also heaven is an invitation, if you don't accept it. that's your choice. also think about this, if someone didn't trust you or respect you, would you want to them with you forever? everyone is different in their hearts as to why they deny god. god knows that. that's why how do we even know if ppl we know have gone to hell. he can reach them many ways.
whatafart 1 year ago
@whatafart christians like he said christians aren't wishing ppl to hell. as annoying as we might seem to you, we're actually letting you know what's up. yes a lot of us, like anybody "human" for that matter, make mistakes and convey the wrong message. but that doesn't mean we all are like that. a lot of people lash out under the guise of their beliefs and ideas. Look at history and the effects of such people like hitler, karl marx, stalin, mussolini, etc.
whatafart 1 year ago
I'm subbing to this guy, posting videos that says anything about our God takes a lot of bravery
FURRYDulaman 1 year ago
Haha. You did not even answer Zj's question.
kmortk 1 year ago
in no way did you answer ZJs question. she asked why people DESERVE to be tortured forever. this is smug, arrogant and stupid.
golfbuddieszing 1 year ago
Free will is not free will if it includes a bribe on one-side, and torture on the other. that is manipulation.
jfallout1212 1 year ago
I LOVE YOU AND EVERYTHING YOU STAND FOR OR EVER HAVE STOOD FOR...sorry u only had two comments and they were both negative. thought id change up the pattern
shiznitt91 1 year ago
arrogant
1992steffan 1 year ago
You are such a smug cunt
GroggyNodbog 1 year ago