Prime Minister Gillard: "C.S.I.R.O. or Alan Jones?"

[aussielebpride]

I would like to see alan jones come onto this show it would be quite interesting

[dodger922]

BEARDED COMMY DREAMER , TYPICAL ABC CRAP. GO JU-LIAR KEEP LYING YOU DOPEY BITCH FUCK YOU, YOUR GOVERNMENT AND THE BEARDED SCIENTISTS WHO ARE GOVERNMENT WHORES

[manque15]

Listen to that hypocritical bitch saying we need to respect the science...Oh really JULIAR, that's what you're doing!!! Get your facts right you supercilious pious cow!

[KochieButtersmack]

Tony Jones and Julia Gillard are both Welsh cunt Fabians.

[Bunyipz]

The CSIRO has some of the worlds leading researchers, who continue to investigate the causes of global warming and ocean acidification...

meanwhile Alan jones continues to be 2GB's Anus....

[04raikkonen]

death to juliar fuking hate this bitch,climate change what a fuking joke

[upthesharkies1]

fuck you julia, enjoy being cast into political oblivion u cunt,, and fuck u for ruining the once great labor party

[figbat1]

want to know something that the CSIRO and ASIO (aka the mickey mouse club) and the australian government dont want anyone to know.....go to "jenny morris she has to be loved nzoz1989" and press "see all" to find the comments.

[figbat1]

want to know something that the CSIRO and ASIO (aka the mickey mouse club) and the australian government dont want anyone to know..............go to "jenny morris she has to be loved nzoz1989" and press "see all" to find the comments.

[figbat1]

want to know something really special that the CSIRO and ASIO (aka the mickey mouse club) and the australian government dont want anyone to know.................. go to "wendy matthews token angels saw1110" and find my 3 comments.

[Luke87Smith]

I'll go with Alan Jones....

[younot2funny]

I have my problems with science, don't get me started, especially certain branches of "theoretical" science.

But that is not what global warming is about, this is "observational" science, comes down to cause and effect, event logging etc.

Does anybody here ever heard the word 'tropopause' ???

I bet hardly any of you have... YET IT IS THE CENTRE OF THE SCIENCE DEBATE.

What is causing the tropopause to rise? This is what the IPCC Report was about.

FORGOTTEN !!!

[tippngthevelvet]

Bravo Prime Minister. have yet to see Abbott face such scrutiny, because he could never cope, no Budget in reply, $11 billion black hole, followed up by a $70 billion black hole. Congratulations on getting the plain packaging legislation through, it looked pretty easy given there's no Opposition.

[bennyboytalk]

so basically she denied having a debate! theres no democracy anymore. Bob Browns the new Robert Mugabe!! How does she get taken seriously?

[unreal22000]

science and public policy. org Remove the spaces for link interesting reading for those who feel they are right!

[ThePositiveAussie]

Are you so naive that you think that JG is the only one to have changed her party direction?

Remember "NEVER EVER GST!" JOHNNY HOWARD? Watch him say it! /watch?v=Ixn9fFatdcs

Did the world end with GST? Now this was a hung parliament and she had to work with independents and the greens to get government. Would you have voted for WORKCHOICES?

While you think about that get Abbott to put his promises in writing. He told us we can't trust what he says!

/watch?v=Y_SfWbXowLw

[unreal22000]

@ThePositiveAussie Yep I am naive, simple & stupid. Howard, costello, whittlam, keating, hawk are all gone. Unless I missed something, the reference that the GST was a new tax is wrong, as it REPLACED a series of mixed up taxes. I hate being an unpaid tax collector ! No the world didnt end but the ATO have more than an odd problem collecting GST of some SME;s. Your CARBON TAX is NEW, ongoing & pays for carbon credits. O/S . Great idea to send our TAXES O/S. Yep I am Naive!

[ThePositiveAussie]

@unreal22000

Do you understand 83% of all the mining companies in Australia are foreign owned?

The fucking moneys is poring out of the country already your stupid fucker.

I hate idiots like you. Your head is so deeply buried in your own arse the light of truth will never see it!

[unreal22000]

@ThePositiveAussie Do you understand that a CARBON TAX passed on to O/S companies will be paid by consumers. The O/S wont care they will jack prices to ensure GP! Yes I am well aware of foreign ownership in Aust of more than just mines! Power, Gas etc all CARBON TAX targets. But in your world its better to tax us to BUY a CREDIT off an O/S company to make sure you feel good. Harden up princess & face reality your TAX is wrong!

[ThePositiveAussie]

@unreal22000

So what taxes were replaced by the GST?

The government never removed the payroll taxes or income tax. DID THEY?

NO they didn't but that was the promise!

I bet if everyone knew that the GST was going to slug them 10% on their water, gas, electricity Howard would have been kicked out of the country. But that's the problem you see short term fucken memory of my alcoholic brothers and sisters.

And you complain about 0.07% rise now?

Fucken joking!

Hey and don't get me started on WMD's!

[unreal22000]

@ThePositiveAussie WHat are you for real? How old are you 20? Surely your higher education would have outlined the pile of different taxes we were using to tax the people? No your right! Julia hasnt jumped onto getting rid of over 100 different taxes, in fact if your trying to say that every other government are responsible for all the taxes, you have to ask yourself why Julia KEEPS ALL OF THEM & WANTS TO ADD A NEW ONE!

"there will be no carbon tax under a gov I lead" What crap tiger!

[ThePositiveAussie]

@unreal22000

What a total load of nonsense. Congratulations.

And what's Tony Abbott doing? Go look on page 14 of The Direct Action Plan. There you'll see a TAX! Well what do you know? Tonys got a Tax on carbon too! He doesn't like talking about it does he?

Listen champ you might want to go read into how much Tony's idea will cost Australian families.

$720 extra a year and no compensation for families or the poor.

Don't believe all the shock jock spin that's what they're paid to do. Spin!

[unreal22000]

@ThePositiveAussie OK what I said was nonsense to you, But you cant refute that NO TAXES have been deleted by Gillard, also gillards CARBON TAX is NEW ! All facts Tiger! Oh are you telling me Gillard didnt say she wouldnt have a CARBON TAX under her gov? Another fact. Cant see the Nonsense in that either! Finally you assume I support Abbott & a possible CARBON TAX as well, guess what I dont. Suffice to say Gillard lied & needs to accept her lack of mandate!

[ThePositiveAussie]

@unreal22000 Fact: You're a one trick pony. Fact: I'm laughing my arse off at you. Fact: I couldn't care less if Gillard lied! Fact: All politicians lie! Fact: You repeat yourself way too much. Fact: You whinge way too much! Fact: This video is about people like you! Fact: Tony Abbott is a corporate whore! Fact: Malcolm Turnbull is the real leader in the Libs. Fact: He's going to get Abbott back soon. Fact: Your only interested in your pocket! Fact: BAHAHAHA!

[unreal22000]

@ThePositiveAussie Yep good argument, well put it explains a lot! Well gone champ!

[ThePositiveAussie]

@unreal22000

Champ?That's Mr.Champ! To you. hahaha

[ThePositiveAussie]

@unreal22000

Anyhow this isn't going anywhere.

You can have your opinion and i'll stick to the facts cheers =)

[Drewderpderpderp]

@ThePositiveAussie Fact, you're pretty dumb.

[ThePositiveAussie]

@Drewderpderp

FACT: Bahaha. No really! Haahahahaha!

[Drewderpderpderp]

@ThePositiveAussie You're dumb.

[ThePositiveAussie]

@Drewderpderpderp

"You're Dumb".

FACT: That's not of any importance as it has come out of you.

[Philinaus]

@unreal22000 Sorry, the GST was a NEW tax, it was supposed to replace a basket of taxes, but the only tax it replaced was the wholesale sales tax and it added tax to every labour component in any service (that's the "Services" part of the Goods and Services Tax. Before GST, the hours worked on a job, let's say servicing a car, were tax exempt, after GST they were 10% higher because they are a "Service" and thus taxable.

[unreal22000]

@Philinaus Ok so you say the GST just replaced wholesale tax. Not one as there were several of these. So your argument against GST & for YOUR carbon tax is that it will stop a black economy? But isnt it meant to stop the little black balloons on your adverts? Yet YOU keep the GST as it provides a large income for YOUR gov? Are you saying that when YOU bring in CARBON TAX you will REPEAL GST? If so I think that Gillard is up to her leas agin!

[Philinaus]

@unreal22000 And, all business in Australia (even if they only provide "service", such as lawyers, accountants, brick layers, gardeners, doctors, etc have all become unpaid tax collectors. So I gues you did miss something. And the GST was intended to end the "Black MarkeT Economy". Now let's see, mmmmmm, nope, if anything it has encouraged the payment of cash without an invoice, so I concurr, you are maieve!

[unreal22000]

@Philinaus Same comment as your other one tiger! Suffice to say that its time to head back to your carbon tax! But answer a question: " If you TAX us for CARBON, you spend BILLIONS buying imaginary credits O/S, what drop in temperature is scientifically proven to happen? " If your answer is yes but, liberal this, labor this, greens said this. Then you have to concede that without a positive forecast you are WASTING TAX PAYERS money!

[Philinaus]

@unreal22000 Thanks, "Tiger". Stange how that familial seems to be used when being less than genuine. Oh, and who mentioned a drom in temperature??? You have caught the lieberals "Global Warming" - a catch phrase, I'm referring to "Climate Change" - the science. You are happy to keep increasing the rate we pollute the planet with no control?? I hope you don't have children or grandchildren who will inherit your mess. Your only concern is your pocket, how selfish are you???

[unreal22000]

@Philinaus OK if you are pandering, climate change instead of your CARBON tax, have you investigated those proposals offer by science NOT PAID BY GOVERNMENT?

A like for your interest as follows, choose to read if you like. (remove the spaces to execute a correct link! champ) science speak . com

[Philinaus]

@unreal22000 Pandering? What are you talking about? As for the science, there is no need to direct me to a link, I have been to many so called science links and guess what, not very good scientific method. Not double blind, not peer reviewed, not good science. I

[Philinaus]

@unreal22000 Continued nteresting, neither of the people mentioned on the website you suggest are scientists. One is a mathematician specialising in Fourier analysis, calculus, the number system, and multivariable polynomials, the other is a professional speaker. Neither have any credentials in scientific research and there are no references to good scientific practice in their claims. So not much point in reading that, seems like a good way to mislead yourself. My next post will have some for u

[Philinaus]

@unreal22000 continued. If you really want to see what true science looks like, try reading any of the peer reviewed publications like "Nature", "Scientific American", "Science", and there are plenty more, just make sure they are peer reviewed and quote references, that's good science. And thanks for calling me "champ" old mate, but call me Professor. Just in case you are wondering, yes I am a scientist, but not involved with climate change at all, more physiology, but I understand science well

[unreal22000]

@Philinaus Professor! haha Champ if your a professor & you are supporting carbon TAX you are in for a dollar Or you wrote a paper you are trying to defend? . Were you one of the Y2K professors who told us planes would fall out of the sky? Did you write a thesis in the 70's that warned of global cooling? If as you claim you are a professor. Answer me what factual temperature drop will be measurable caused by a CARBON TAX with say oh 50 years? The provide me with the links for same! On ya champ!

[Philinaus]

@unreal22000 Again the "Champ" crap. Are you doubting my qualifications? I am a Professor in Physiology at a major Australian University. Physiology - nothing to do with Climate Science - although I do know some Meterologists. I have never written a paper regarding Climate Change - but I do understand the science. And, scince I specialised in Life Sciences, I had nothing to do with Y2K.. And there won't necessarily be a temperature reduction, it's not about that, it's about Climate Change, ....

[unreal22000]

@Philinaus Common Professor champ, dont be like that! Its hard to to battle wits with such a learned & sophisticated person such as your eminence. Even if YOU CANT ANSWER MY QUESTION! Oh no back to uni for 5 years! LOL Very funny mate seriously what do you do for a crust? IT prof with labor? Or coffee maker at Bob Browns place? Now ask someone for an answer that is REAL! Tiger!

[Philinaus]

@unreal22000 And, further more, if you are happy to continue to pollute and leave the planet in worse condition for your children (if you have any) and their children, then carry on - I will not conduct a battle of wits with some one who is so clearly unarmed!

[unreal22000]

@Philinaus Let me guess, you live in the CBD? You live in apartment, you travel O/s on holidays? You want to feel good about yourself. Correct! Why not walk the walk, buy say 200 acres next to me here in the bush, plant some trees every season & live a life that actual does achieve REAL goals! Instead of TAXING people by scaring them

[Philinaus]

@unreal22000 Let me answer. No, No, No. Strike three. None of the assumptions youhave made are even remotely correct. And, whilst I am not on 200 acres in the bush, I am on more that 5 hectares (see what I did ther, I used metric) on the suburban/rural fringe. And yes, there a re a lot of trees, and i do live a life that achieves real goals, I teach people how to save lives, by using science - perhaps if you look up physiology you will get an idea.

[Philinaus]

@unreal22000 And, can you provide links showing where there is any scientific work debunking climate change performed by climate scientists, double blind and peer reviewed?

[unreal22000]

@Philinaus Yep no problem champ, as soon as you answer my question! Do you need any potting mix for the trees your going to plant?

[Philinaus]

@unreal22000 No more room for trees as mentioned above.

[unreal22000]

@Philinaus Why too many ponies in the paddocks for the grandkids! 

[unreal22000]

@Philinaus Oh sorry while I work on my assignment, is it OK to accept peers that agree with my thesis" as in government accepted/ paid/ commissioned scientific data?" Cheers tiger

[Philinaus]

@unreal22000 Very good question. You can use commissioned data or reports, but attribution to financial or other inducements must be mentioned. Peer reviewed papers generally eliminate such data, and it must be published with a reputable journal, not just on the web or in the newpaper.

[unreal22000]

@Philinaus Oh ...so the hockey stick graph fiasco in USA is ???? believable because it was reviewed by peers of the same university and found to be at best misleading, at worst a pile of rubbish

[Philinaus]

@unreal22000 See what happens when reports are published in reputable journals, others try to reproduce the results and when they are unable, question the veracity of the report. On occasion I have attempted to confirm the published results of one of my peers without success and the findings were modified to reflect this (generally this comes about due to some naturally occurring artifact or interpretation of statistics) and I have also modified significantly a paper due to irreproducibility

[Philinaus]

@unreal22000 I refuse to continue this battle of wits as I see you are unarmed!

[unreal22000]

@Philinaus OK thanks! but i have 2 arms champ!

[Philinaus]

@unreal22000 I was referring to your capacity to understand the fundamentals of climate change and also of the principal of unbiased scientific research.

[unreal22000]

@Philinaus Yes I appreciate your reference was a form of superiority! I understand perfectly your argument based n your facts, the reality is that your CARBON TAX leads to ETS neither of which is remotely scientific. Do you have chickens as well?

[Philinaus]

@unreal22000 No, I have attempted to eliminate as much vermin as I can, the flying type are the most difficult, and provide a small refuge for mative animals and plants. It can hardly be called a habitat, but I do what I can.

[topologyrob]

The PM makes a hell of a lot of sense here

[bilbo117]

@unreal22000 YAWN. I could mention the GST...... I would never want a leader who would promise not to do something, even if the circumstances changed. Harden up.

[unreal22000]

@bilbo117 Glad you agree that the LABOR puppet Gillard is NOT your favorite as she lied to the TAX PAYER!

[unreal22000]

Yea Julia you made a choice, TO LIE! Before you debate science, drag emotive comments like Abbott supporting Jones. Answer us why you led an election with your words " There will be NO CARBON TAX under a government I lead" Then to INTRODUCE one to stay in power with the GREENS! Your support comes from those who wanted a CARBON tax, while you collected votes of those who dont support your tax with your lie! Simple, run an election based on YOUR CARBON TAX!

[ShowsOn]

@unreal22000 YAWN. Abbott promised not to increase the Medicare Safety Net thresholds, but he did exactly that almost straight after the 2004 election.

[unreal22000]

@ShowsOn What year is it now, what government is telling lies now. And arnt we discussing your CARBON TAX? Stay on the page tiger!

[Abbiesilk]

@ShowsOn I raise you two yawns, ShowsOn.

[ShowsOn]

@Abbiesilk I raise you 3 YAWNS and 1 SNORE

[Jaiissica]

@ShowsOn Its okay to be a lying sack of crap so long as they did it first. Totes. Love the logic here.

No wonder these nuffers are down to 26% even vs Abbott. Listen to her dodge the question - debate? - and go off on a crap spinning tangent. Again.

Labor 1900-1993 - For The Worker.

Labor 2007-2012 - F--- The Worker.

The party that "lost its way" is on a road that leads to conceding the role of opposition to The Greens.

[topologyrob]

@unreal22000 Nonsense - it's a minority government, and it wasn't a lie. How many times do people have to explain this? The lie is to repeat this crazy mantra.

[unreal22000]

@topologyrob OK first explain " there will be no CARBON tax under a government i lead" So if the reason is that Labor had to take on greens to get power, & you claim the CT is a greens policy. Then does this mean Bob Brown is the actual Labor leader & Julia is a puppet? Which would explain why you cant see the lie from Gillard?

[richiesvideo]

@unreal22000 Labor didn't win government. Remember the hung parliament? Therefore the only way to gain the power position was to negotiate with the green and independents. Secondly, the only way to get important legislation that will be unpopular with the majority through parliament is to make it a non election issue (i.e. lie). Remember the GST?

This tax and an ETS is crucial to maintaining a long term sustainable economy, but unfortunately there are too many uninformed people to want it.

[unreal22000]

@richiesvideo Yep I remember a hung parliament where no name independents like Oakshot , sat laughing as the rest of us put up with their power trip. By enter agreement with these people , Labor shot themselves in the foot & will not recover. " There will be NO CARBON TAX under a government i lead" Gillard took one for the team, the wrong team tiger & now the TAX payers dont want any more lies, deceit or deals. Bring on an election based on CARBON TAX !

[doonehm]

@unreal22000 It's a transitional, temporary tax to ease Australia into an ETS, which was transparently intentional from the start. Leaders go back on their "non-core policies" (Howard's words) every election. Get over it.

[Atheeizm]

Im fucking sick idiots trying to find conspiracies regarding the scientists. Fucking brainless twats are practicing cynicism in all the wrong areas.

Climate change deniers are truly brainless and numb. Read the facts thoroughly. It isn't easy but it is important. Learn about the dangerous dance between naturally occurring climate change and the accelerated effects of our contribution. Don't be an inch worm all your life.

[Adirtybird]

@Atheeizm You are missing the point. We "deniers" know the world is warming. We also know that science cant say factually that we are 100% to blame. It's you fools that we beat our brows over being so stupid to believe modeling software that has been proven to be flawed for near on 10 years now ?/ Fucking wake up and see the truth. who's making money, and who's paying it?? 2nd most funded science today and you cant see the pigs at the trough. securing their future. pay billions for zero gain???

[erkziltonz]

@NathanTouring

@ShowsOn

Its not about the science its the way the government is going about trying to fix it, which is the wrong way and that is why so many people are against it. There are multiple ways to lower co2 without taxing it.

[ShowsOn]

@erkziltonz Of course there are other ways to deal with this problem. The Government, for example, could borrow a few trillion dollars and build solar power stations. But as the Garnaut, Productivity Commission and Treasury reports all point out, 'direct action' by the government wastes money, which ultimately means higher costs past on to consumers. The *least cost* way to reduce carbon pollution is to put a market price on it, so that businesses find ways to avoid producing pollution.

[erkziltonz]

@ShowsOn The term direct action is broad and vague. They already tried to do the same in Europe and the scheme has collapsed three times already and produced no evidence of lowering co2 emissions and forced work overseas. Giving big business tax cuts or incentives when they lower co2 levels would work much better than taxing everyone. Making people want to change instead of forcing them would be a much better way which would also make businesses from other countries want to invest here.

[ShowsOn]

@erkziltonz Giving businesses tax cuts and incentives (hand outs) for cutting pollution is exactly the type of Direct Action policies that don't work. The is because politicians ultimately have to define what qualifies for the subsidy, so businesses waste time and money abiding by rules in order to qualify. Putting a price on carbon let's the business, rather than politicians, figure out the best methods of cutting pollution because they have a direct financial incentive to do so.

[unreal22000]

@ShowsOn Probably cheaper not to price it & not to tax us!

[ShowsOn]

@unreal22000 Completely wrong. If you don't price carbon then you will need the Government to fund (and choose) all the abatement. That means Governments raising OTHER taxes (or dramatically cutting other spending) in order to fund an ever increasing bill for abatement projects.

If you oppose pricing carbon pollution, you are implicitly supporting increasing other taxes.

[unreal22000]

@ShowsOn How come? Forgive me if I am wrong but the premise of your argument is that we accept taxing us! Who is forcing abatement bills on us?

[NathanTouring]

Notice the people unwilling to clap at the idea of respecting scientists. Should see how long they last without the advances science has bestowed upon them huh?

Seriously: how bloody stupid do you have to be to not be able to realise that in scientific matters you should defer to the experts. This conspiracy nutcase tinfoil hat mentality is why it has been such a struggle.

[ShowsOn]

@NathanTouring Yeah, I don't see many, for example, 'plasma TV sceptics', apparently all the physicists that figured out the theory, and the engineers that applied the concepts, to get plasma TVs to work are 100% reliable. It is only when scientists talk about the climate that charlatans and fraudsters start asserting that they know better than the scientists.

[JaimesPhazon]

@NathanTouring

The CSIRO Chief Executive Dr Megan Clark was the former Director of Rothschild Bank Australia.

'Rothschild Australia and E3 International to take the lead in the global carbon trading market'

watch?v=7a3Gl06iUhs

Wake up, Gillard's stealing our wealth to fill the pockets of international banksters.

[NathanTouring]

@JaimesPhazon Oh enough with the tin foil hat conspiracies. CSIRO is a scientific body. Is NASA also under some conspiracy too? Or pretty much any major scientific body?

You're either woefully ignorant of how science research is conducted to think that a Chief Executive can sneak in at night and tamper with the evidence or whatever you're thinking they can do.

I'd suggest you focus on the tampering that billionaires like Gina Rinehart are doing by paying to spread FUD via science deniers.

[ShowsOn]

@JaimesPhazon LOL! She also worked for BHP-Billiton and Western Mining Corporation.

How does that fit in with your conspiracy theory?

[Atheeizm]

@JaimesPhazon You would sooner scold the scientist for being corrupt rather than having a good hard look at the players on the other side??? Exactly who is asleep?

[unreal22000]

@JaimesPhazon No denying that comment, thanks for the link!