right.. why are we digressing into the islam=evil convo again? I thought we agreed to disagree?
as for faith.. you're right, I have little faith in submitting to a 'deity'. I find it hard to believe that any such being would demand submission, or else. My definition of God is just different than what the authorities made it to be, and it's supported with much of Jesus' teachings.
Again,you cannot have wiggle room with Christ or pick and choose which of his statements are important and which lack immediacy.They gate is narrow, like the eye of a needle. Wiggle room is not an option supported by Christ.Why would this not be the case?God created you and through Christ he saved you from Death. Why would this being not demand submission the same way you demand submission from you're 5 year old son when you tell him what to do,"or else"? You are a victim your own psuedo wisdom.
I don't hate Christ. I think the Roman authorities and Church have greatly distorted his message as a means for further suppression. I believe they made up the crucifixion and tried to hail him as god because it correlates with former pagan beliefs. Essentially, modern 'Christianity' is paganism in disguise, imo of course.
That argument is so bogus. Christ cannot be both a moral teacher (somebody you like) unless he was also the son of God and was crucified and ressurected. Morality and lies cannot co-exist, he either was what he said he was and did what he said he did or he was a liar. You cannot have it both ways. the roman church didn't have to make up anything. Jewish historians who were alive in Christs lifetime wrote about the crucifixion of a man named Jesus under Pontius Pilate.
Do you really think that Christ allowed wiggle room when it came to believeing in him in your own little way. Yes he is majestic and so is his forgivness but the way to forgivness is narrow. You try to find your own loop hole in Christ's doctrine just as Muslims try to find loopholes in the violent aspects of their religion in order to defy it. that is what a peace loving muslim is: a person who defies Islam.
But that makes no difference in terms of Christianity. The cross is the symbol of Christ becuase he died on it, not becuase it, in and of itself, is what Christians worship. In fact the fact that the cross was used by pagans (Romans) to kill Christ that he may die a human death with suffering in seperation from God, makes perfect sense. In other words, if Christ had died in a Godly fashion then his wounds could not heal or redeem us. Your the one who is clearly biased and hateful of Christ.
If Jesus Christ was not the sun of God,if he did not walk on water,turn water into wine, heal the sick,cast out demons. If he was not crucified and knew he would not rise from the dead then the hundreds who were brutally killed by the romans in his name died because of a swindler, who lied in order to give himself acclimation. Only an evil person would do this. So again,Christ cannot be both a moral teacher and not be who he said he was.I.E. you must have faith in Christ or dislike him morally.
you misunderstand me. I didn't say Jesus lied; I'm saying the Church did... and even if they didn't, I'm not one to put my faith in the honesty of an oppressive system over such a long period of time (2000+ years).
There are other interpretations of his teachings that predate the modern general consensus that is the Bible. I think they're worth looking at..
Jesus said, "the Kingdom is within you. When you know yourselves, then you will be known,
and you will know that it is YOU WHO ARE THE SONS OF THE FATHER"
"The kingdom is within you and outside of you. Split a piece of wood; I am there. Lift up the stone, and you will find me there"
I don't think 'God' is a deity. It's the common bond between all creation. I think Jesus was closer to a guru then the deity that the Church made him out to be.
You are saying that the apostles lied, becuase the apostles said that he died on the cross and three days later rose again to crush the serpents head. Either way you have no faith. My real point is that in Islam they demand that Islam be respected,it even says so in the Koran. But Christ did not want respect or admiration, he did not come for that.I.E. Islam is violent and intolerant becuase it is a religion which requires respect above faith and when this is not achieved violence is rudimentry.
But back to my original point. Muhammad the highest prophet of Islam and the one who is to be exemplified by Muslims killed 900 people single handed. Christ killed no man, lived a sinless life and said he who livetheth by the sword shall perish by the sword and to forgive thine enemy and love eachother as I have loved you ( with servitude, compassion,charity and integrity). How in the world can a sane person put these two men (or their teachings for that matter) on the same level. You can't.
At what point did the church lie?the early church? Luke,Mathew or John?Paul perhaps? If Islam is Christianity's equal or superior then why is it constantly immersed in this war or that war?Are these peoplpe secure in their beliefs,or do they harbor such hatred of seculiar society becuase they are decieved by the Devil?For truly, the Devil wanted the respect that Christ never demanded. Hence he was cast out. How similiar is Islams take on it self?It overwhelming sense of entitlement to the world.
As much as I agree with him on so much and would love seeing him be our next President I disagree a little here. Yes we should not be in Iraq and yes we should not sacrifice liberty for safety but come on. Islamic society despises the American right to live without Allah as the fountain head of all moral thought. Our lack of theocracy is a huge incentive for terrorists.The koran demnds that they indeed attack us becuase we are free (that is to say not in adherance to Muslim rule).
No I don't agree with that. First of all, bible also says crazy things because it was written so long ago in a very different time. Most muslims are not that different from christians as people. Both like to live in peace.
You claim that muslims are going to force their values and religion. What about USA going to all these muslim countries to occupy them is going to look from their point of view? It will only encourage them to become more radical. Exactly what you don't want to happen.
You cannot seperate commanded violence from Muslim scripture. You can seperate commanded violence from Christian scripture with ease. Muslims who live in, or desire to live in peace in a non Muslim controlled world, actually defy the Koran and the suras. Christians who practice non-violence, in a non Christian controlled world, obey scripture. See what I am getting at? Comparing the two is absurd, that's a PC media ploy and it holds no water. I disagree with US occupation world wide.
that's nonsense.. Islam actually teaches that Christians and Jews will go to heaven as well as long as they submit to and acknowledge the one true god.. Christianity teaches that only Christians will go to heaven. That alone shows which one is more tolerant.
The Koran talks a lot about self-defense, but it doesn't advocate offensive attacks. The Bible does. I suggest you read both of them with an unbiased eye before blindly accepting what the western propaganda has told you to think.
Muhammad personaly decapatated between 6 and 9 hundred people. He is the christ figure of Islam, the perfect example of a man, the one to emulate. How in the world does the bible advocate violoence against non-believers? That's rubbish. the suras plainly state "beleager the unbeliever and meet him at every strategem of war, the punishment is execution or crucifiction, or the cutting off off of the hands and feet from both sides." there is no comparison and Islam is violent by command.
Thats' hog wash.The life of Muhammad is a life of Murder pedaphilia and military invasion after he went to Medina.Jihad is a constant state within Islam and Muslims are only allowed to have peace for ten years in order to build up strategic advantage.How do you defend "cut off the hands and feet from both sides?"How do you defend the 900 killed by Muhammad. Islam is a political entity as much as a false religion.The Koran says muslims MUSTbe respected.Christianity requires for know ones respect.
actually, almost all scholars agree that his "9 year old wife" was actually 18-19 at the time of their marriage.. so no he wasnt a pedo. Why do you keep bringing up the life of muhammed? He never even said he was perfect. Im talking Islam (koran) vs Christianity. I have no doubt that Jesus was more admirable, but the teachings of the Bible are just as corrupt and full of shite as those in the Quran. You really need to start reading from unbiased sources & stop believin g everythign your told.
scholars certainly do not agree that she was 18-19.The Suras say she was 6 when they married and 9 when they had sex, how do you confuse 9 with 19? I don't believe everything I'm told if I did I wouldn't be Ron Paul fan would I?What teachings in the bible are as full of shit as the Koran,site specifics and leave out the crusades and slavery.I have heard those arguments so many times and they still can't stand up to the reality of scripture. I bring up muhammad becuase in Islam's eyes he=perfect.
"According to almost all the historians Asma, the elder sister of Ayesha was 10 years older than Ayesha. It is reported in Taqri'bu'l-tehzi'b as well as Al-bidayah wa'l-nihayah that Asma died in 73 hijrah when she was 100 years old. "
(cont) "Now, obviously if Asma was 100 years old in 73 hijrah she should have been 27 or 28 years old at the time of hijrah. If Asma (ra) was 27 or 28 years old at the time of hijrah, Ayesha should have been 17 or 18 years old at that time. Thus, Ayesha (ra), if she got married in 1 AH (after hijrah) or 2 AH, was between 18 to 20 years old at the time of her marriage."
Ron Pal is a Christian so you must like him in spite of that error huh? Look this is boring. Islam wants sharia goverment around the world, that is a undisputable fact. Islam gaurantees no heavenly pardaise outside of martyrdom, that is also a fact.Our lack of theocracy is a huge incentive to terrorists when they strap TNT to their chests and kill innocent people. I'm not saying we should be in Iraq,I'm not saying we should still be in Afghanistan, but they attack us becuase we disrespect Islam.
As an older man of fifty-plus years, Muhammad married a mere child of six years old and co-habited with her when she was 9 years old. As quoted above, the most trusted collections of hadiths establish the authenticity of this oral tradition. But still, Western Muslims are embarrassed by these hadiths. Sometimes they use a Weak hadith defense to excuse Muhammad's child marriage.
Bring me one verse from the bible that encourages the murder of those who don't believe in Jesus Christ. Waiting? "then kill the polytheists wherever you find them, and seize them and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush. But if they repent and perform prayer and pay the poor-tax, then let them go their way." Gee how sweet of them to let the unbelievers go after submission, the Devil (I mean Allah) is truly merciful after all. LOL.
Luke 19:27 (King James Version) "but those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me."
There's more... and the OT is full of that talk. Last time I checked the OT IS part of the Bible.
QURAN: "Permission to fight is granted to those who are being persecuted, since injustice has befallen them, and GOD is certainly able to support them. They were evicted from their homes unjustly, for no reason other than saying, "Our Lord is GOD." (22:39)
IF they resort to peace, that's a big if and what qaulifies as peace to them? The quote you gave me is from a parable not a command or encouragment for aggression against pagans or gentiles. Western propaganda? Babbling? you call me a brainwashed simpleton and then ytou say agree to disagree? YOU ARE WRONG. Islam is the most intolerant, violent, destructive religion in the history of the world and of course it is. It's adoration comes from a mass murderer, You still have not explained the 900
I have studied the Koran and have read the bible from cover to cover 5 times. There is no comparison. The "prophet" Muhammad was a war lord, Jesus chose to be crucified rather than take up arms against unjustified persecution. In the minds of Muslims this difference is not lost. Point blank simple: To live in peace within a non theocratic nation and be a muslim is to defy your faith. To live in peace and live a Gody life within a non theocracy as a Christian is to observe Christs teachings.
just stop.its obvious youre stuck in your biased conditioning
Muhammed lived in a time of war in a region consumed by war.Obviously there will be references to it. He never once advocated attacks outside of self defense
How can you talk about intolerance when ur bible condemns anyone not accepting the shit resurrection story to hell for eternity? No, Islam is the most tolerant of the monotheistic religions by far.
just stop fighting it and leave your hatred out of this guys thread
I am not biased, I am simply in touch with reality. I do not hate Muslims but refute Islam always. None of this is based on brianwashing. If anyone is brain washed it's you. Brainwashed by political correctness and misinformation. "shit ressurection story," well put kappy. Leave your ignorance of Islamic violent tradition off this thread and don't tell me what to write or not write. Your "tolerant" religion plows planes into buildings. If thats tolerance then what is close mindedness, Jesus?LOL.
actually the political correct thing to do IS to bash Islam.
Obviously there are extremists in every religion... a bit naive to think its limited to Islam
911 has as much to do with Islam as the Crusades/inquisitions/witch hunts have to do with Christianity. The fact that you cant acknowledge that shows proves that youre biased.
and maybe if we weren't supporting Jewish apartheid in the middle east and creating military bases all over their land, they wouldn't have attacked us. pay attention.
again more rubbish. Political correctness always dictates that we not offend those who could be offended. Even Bush went out of his way to insist that the war was not with Islam but with terrorists.9/11 had everything to do with martyrdom in Islam, with virgins and paradise through violence against a society which insults Islam."If we did this they wouldn't have attacked us," I'm so sick of that bullshit. They attacked us becuase they are evil and driven by an evil faith that condones bloodshed.
political correctness in the West dictates we dont offend anyone, except Muslims. This is generally accepted as truth even among Christians here.
They attacked us because we've been attacking them.
Suppose the Canadian government came to Maryland and set up military bases there to encourage a religious coup in the Eastern US because 'God' said so. Would you be upset? Would you be willing to fight?
Now replace Canada with US, and Maryland with the middle east.. the religious coup is Zionism.
Furthermore Islam does not teach that Christians and Jews go to heaven if they believe in God, that is untrue and utterly rediculous. The only sure way to enter into paradise in Islam is to die fighting for Islam. In that way Islam harkens back to it's pagan roots. It's very simliar infact to Norse mythology. Muhammad conquered, he used violence if needed. This is not the action of a man of peace who spreads his faith through tolerance or discourse.
In case you haven't noticed smart guy, you have been a part of this conversation too. How is Christianity a pagan religion? I can't wait to hear this one. Even the symbols of islam, the crescent moon and stars, even the language are derived from pagan orders.YOU drop it and stop kissing Islams butt. if you are dumb enough to believe even after all this, that Islam is a religion of peace then you are beyond repair. Like I said if anyone is brain washed it's you. Death to Islam.
what do you mean 'after all of this'. I've read the Quran front to back numerous times.. as i have the Bible. You're biased comments didn't show me anything.. I just have no desire to debate it with someone who is clearly biased.
At the time Muhammad spoke the passage he had enough power to dominate and crush the remaining Pagan tribes within the Hijaz,so he used it. He changed the rules and regulations that involved the Pagans. The Pagans did nothing to precipitate this change; they continued to do as they had done for the last year under Muhammads rule. But Muhammad used his ever growing power and placed his rough noose of Islam around their necks. Pagans were forced to join Islam or die. This is not self defense.
Bro bring me one verse from the quran to show ayesha was 9 years old. I can bring non biblical source to show Mary was 10 years infact the catholic encyclopedia is enough, also not to mention talmud. You wont find one sir. What you were referring to was hadith which is a secondary source even though kappy clearly won against you in that argument. This argument simply knocks it down further.
Kappy has not won anything and I will tell you why. My argument remains the same and just as true. Islam is founded by a mass murderer named Muhammad. Call me nutz if you will but I am going to follow aman who lived a sinless life,told his followers to love thy neighbor and forgive thy enemy over a man who killed 900 people,was a war lord and some believe a sexual predator.Again sinless savior crucifed and beaten to save us all vs. violent Jihadist. these are the sources and the former wins out.
Narrated 'Aisha: I used to play with the dolls in the presence of the Prophet, and my girl friends also used to play with me. When Allah's Apostle used to enter (my dwelling place) they used to hide themselves, but the Prophet would call them to join and play with me. (The playing with the dolls and similar images is forbidden, but it was allowed for 'Aisha at that time, as she was a little girl, not yet reached the age of puberty.) (Fateh-al-Bari page 143, Vol.13) Volume 8, Book 73.
Your insistance that Christianity is similiar is beyond rediculous. Did Jesus decapitate 900 people? Was Jesus a war lord? Did Jesus say he who liveth by the sword shall persish by the sword? I'm not saying Christ was a pacifist, but compaired to the pedophile, mass murderer, conqueror Muhammad he was truly fair, loving and intolerant of violence against non believers. Produce scripture from the new testament that says it's ok to kill for Christ or shut up please.
it's nice that Islam might say Christians go to heaven with Jews if they believe in God, however those who practice Islam will not go to heaven becuase they do not recognize Jesus Christ as their redeemer,savior and master.That;'s the whole point of Christianity which pre-dates Islam by many centuries and therefor need not adhere to Islam in any way. that Islam recognizes Christ and Christianity does not recognize Islam is rudimentary to the faith of a Christian and proves the fallacy of Islam.
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doesn't Ron know that his austerian measure will only lead to fascism. Yeah, lets setup a system that doesn't invest into education and legalizes drugs. FDR protectionist policies didn't prolong the depression, Hoover's high tariffs did. FDR's new deal created the circumstances for us to come out of that nightmare.
right.. why are we digressing into the islam=evil convo again? I thought we agreed to disagree?
as for faith.. you're right, I have little faith in submitting to a 'deity'. I find it hard to believe that any such being would demand submission, or else. My definition of God is just different than what the authorities made it to be, and it's supported with much of Jesus' teachings.
kappy0405 2 years ago
Again,you cannot have wiggle room with Christ or pick and choose which of his statements are important and which lack immediacy.They gate is narrow, like the eye of a needle. Wiggle room is not an option supported by Christ.Why would this not be the case?God created you and through Christ he saved you from Death. Why would this being not demand submission the same way you demand submission from you're 5 year old son when you tell him what to do,"or else"? You are a victim your own psuedo wisdom.
pablocoon 2 years ago
I don't hate Christ. I think the Roman authorities and Church have greatly distorted his message as a means for further suppression. I believe they made up the crucifixion and tried to hail him as god because it correlates with former pagan beliefs. Essentially, modern 'Christianity' is paganism in disguise, imo of course.
kappy0405 2 years ago
That argument is so bogus. Christ cannot be both a moral teacher (somebody you like) unless he was also the son of God and was crucified and ressurected. Morality and lies cannot co-exist, he either was what he said he was and did what he said he did or he was a liar. You cannot have it both ways. the roman church didn't have to make up anything. Jewish historians who were alive in Christs lifetime wrote about the crucifixion of a man named Jesus under Pontius Pilate.
pablocoon 2 years ago
Do you really think that Christ allowed wiggle room when it came to believeing in him in your own little way. Yes he is majestic and so is his forgivness but the way to forgivness is narrow. You try to find your own loop hole in Christ's doctrine just as Muslims try to find loopholes in the violent aspects of their religion in order to defy it. that is what a peace loving muslim is: a person who defies Islam.
pablocoon 2 years ago
and notice I didn't deny Islam was a pagan religion. I said monotheism is pagan in general.
you talk about the crescent moon/sun symbol? Your cross is a sun symbol too. The entire trinity derives from former religions.
kappy0405 2 years ago
But that makes no difference in terms of Christianity. The cross is the symbol of Christ becuase he died on it, not becuase it, in and of itself, is what Christians worship. In fact the fact that the cross was used by pagans (Romans) to kill Christ that he may die a human death with suffering in seperation from God, makes perfect sense. In other words, if Christ had died in a Godly fashion then his wounds could not heal or redeem us. Your the one who is clearly biased and hateful of Christ.
pablocoon 2 years ago
If Jesus Christ was not the sun of God,if he did not walk on water,turn water into wine, heal the sick,cast out demons. If he was not crucified and knew he would not rise from the dead then the hundreds who were brutally killed by the romans in his name died because of a swindler, who lied in order to give himself acclimation. Only an evil person would do this. So again,Christ cannot be both a moral teacher and not be who he said he was.I.E. you must have faith in Christ or dislike him morally.
pablocoon 2 years ago
you misunderstand me. I didn't say Jesus lied; I'm saying the Church did... and even if they didn't, I'm not one to put my faith in the honesty of an oppressive system over such a long period of time (2000+ years).
There are other interpretations of his teachings that predate the modern general consensus that is the Bible. I think they're worth looking at..
kappy0405 2 years ago
Jesus said, "the Kingdom is within you. When you know yourselves, then you will be known,
and you will know that it is YOU WHO ARE THE SONS OF THE FATHER"
"The kingdom is within you and outside of you. Split a piece of wood; I am there. Lift up the stone, and you will find me there"
I don't think 'God' is a deity. It's the common bond between all creation. I think Jesus was closer to a guru then the deity that the Church made him out to be.
kappy0405 2 years ago
You are saying that the apostles lied, becuase the apostles said that he died on the cross and three days later rose again to crush the serpents head. Either way you have no faith. My real point is that in Islam they demand that Islam be respected,it even says so in the Koran. But Christ did not want respect or admiration, he did not come for that.I.E. Islam is violent and intolerant becuase it is a religion which requires respect above faith and when this is not achieved violence is rudimentry.
pablocoon 2 years ago
But back to my original point. Muhammad the highest prophet of Islam and the one who is to be exemplified by Muslims killed 900 people single handed. Christ killed no man, lived a sinless life and said he who livetheth by the sword shall perish by the sword and to forgive thine enemy and love eachother as I have loved you ( with servitude, compassion,charity and integrity). How in the world can a sane person put these two men (or their teachings for that matter) on the same level. You can't.
pablocoon 2 years ago
At what point did the church lie?the early church? Luke,Mathew or John?Paul perhaps? If Islam is Christianity's equal or superior then why is it constantly immersed in this war or that war?Are these peoplpe secure in their beliefs,or do they harbor such hatred of seculiar society becuase they are decieved by the Devil?For truly, the Devil wanted the respect that Christ never demanded. Hence he was cast out. How similiar is Islams take on it self?It overwhelming sense of entitlement to the world.
pablocoon 2 years ago
As much as I agree with him on so much and would love seeing him be our next President I disagree a little here. Yes we should not be in Iraq and yes we should not sacrifice liberty for safety but come on. Islamic society despises the American right to live without Allah as the fountain head of all moral thought. Our lack of theocracy is a huge incentive for terrorists.The koran demnds that they indeed attack us becuase we are free (that is to say not in adherance to Muslim rule).
pablocoon 2 years ago
No I don't agree with that. First of all, bible also says crazy things because it was written so long ago in a very different time. Most muslims are not that different from christians as people. Both like to live in peace.
You claim that muslims are going to force their values and religion. What about USA going to all these muslim countries to occupy them is going to look from their point of view? It will only encourage them to become more radical. Exactly what you don't want to happen.
SickleDH 2 years ago
You cannot seperate commanded violence from Muslim scripture. You can seperate commanded violence from Christian scripture with ease. Muslims who live in, or desire to live in peace in a non Muslim controlled world, actually defy the Koran and the suras. Christians who practice non-violence, in a non Christian controlled world, obey scripture. See what I am getting at? Comparing the two is absurd, that's a PC media ploy and it holds no water. I disagree with US occupation world wide.
pablocoon 2 years ago
that's nonsense.. Islam actually teaches that Christians and Jews will go to heaven as well as long as they submit to and acknowledge the one true god.. Christianity teaches that only Christians will go to heaven. That alone shows which one is more tolerant.
The Koran talks a lot about self-defense, but it doesn't advocate offensive attacks. The Bible does. I suggest you read both of them with an unbiased eye before blindly accepting what the western propaganda has told you to think.
kappy0405 2 years ago
Muhammad personaly decapatated between 6 and 9 hundred people. He is the christ figure of Islam, the perfect example of a man, the one to emulate. How in the world does the bible advocate violoence against non-believers? That's rubbish. the suras plainly state "beleager the unbeliever and meet him at every strategem of war, the punishment is execution or crucifiction, or the cutting off off of the hands and feet from both sides." there is no comparison and Islam is violent by command.
pablocoon 2 years ago
ah.. but there is no command to start that war.. it repeats constantly not to imperialize, only to defend.
the bible says much the same things about the 'unbelievers'.
kappy0405 2 years ago
Thats' hog wash.The life of Muhammad is a life of Murder pedaphilia and military invasion after he went to Medina.Jihad is a constant state within Islam and Muslims are only allowed to have peace for ten years in order to build up strategic advantage.How do you defend "cut off the hands and feet from both sides?"How do you defend the 900 killed by Muhammad. Islam is a political entity as much as a false religion.The Koran says muslims MUSTbe respected.Christianity requires for know ones respect.
pablocoon 2 years ago
actually, almost all scholars agree that his "9 year old wife" was actually 18-19 at the time of their marriage.. so no he wasnt a pedo. Why do you keep bringing up the life of muhammed? He never even said he was perfect. Im talking Islam (koran) vs Christianity. I have no doubt that Jesus was more admirable, but the teachings of the Bible are just as corrupt and full of shite as those in the Quran. You really need to start reading from unbiased sources & stop believin g everythign your told.
kappy0405 2 years ago
scholars certainly do not agree that she was 18-19.The Suras say she was 6 when they married and 9 when they had sex, how do you confuse 9 with 19? I don't believe everything I'm told if I did I wouldn't be Ron Paul fan would I?What teachings in the bible are as full of shit as the Koran,site specifics and leave out the crusades and slavery.I have heard those arguments so many times and they still can't stand up to the reality of scripture. I bring up muhammad becuase in Islam's eyes he=perfect.
pablocoon 2 years ago
"According to almost all the historians Asma, the elder sister of Ayesha was 10 years older than Ayesha. It is reported in Taqri'bu'l-tehzi'b as well as Al-bidayah wa'l-nihayah that Asma died in 73 hijrah when she was 100 years old. "
tbc
kappy0405 2 years ago
(cont) "Now, obviously if Asma was 100 years old in 73 hijrah she should have been 27 or 28 years old at the time of hijrah. If Asma (ra) was 27 or 28 years old at the time of hijrah, Ayesha should have been 17 or 18 years old at that time. Thus, Ayesha (ra), if she got married in 1 AH (after hijrah) or 2 AH, was between 18 to 20 years old at the time of her marriage."
understanding-islamDOTcom/ri/mi-004DOThtm
It's simple math.
kappy0405 2 years ago
its also worth noting that in that time period a 14 year old was considered 'middle-aged'.
Also, In Talmuldic law girls can be married as young 12 of their own choice and as little as three years and 1 day if their father decides for them.
In Christian Catholic law, age is again 12 years old (age of consent) but daughters can be married off as young as 7 if father took control.
So what's with the double standard?
kappy0405 2 years ago
Religion aside, at least your a Ron Paul fan. ;)
kappy0405 2 years ago
Ron Pal is a Christian so you must like him in spite of that error huh? Look this is boring. Islam wants sharia goverment around the world, that is a undisputable fact. Islam gaurantees no heavenly pardaise outside of martyrdom, that is also a fact.Our lack of theocracy is a huge incentive to terrorists when they strap TNT to their chests and kill innocent people. I'm not saying we should be in Iraq,I'm not saying we should still be in Afghanistan, but they attack us becuase we disrespect Islam.
pablocoon 2 years ago
As an older man of fifty-plus years, Muhammad married a mere child of six years old and co-habited with her when she was 9 years old. As quoted above, the most trusted collections of hadiths establish the authenticity of this oral tradition. But still, Western Muslims are embarrassed by these hadiths. Sometimes they use a Weak hadith defense to excuse Muhammad's child marriage.
pablocoon 2 years ago
Bring me one verse from the bible that encourages the murder of those who don't believe in Jesus Christ. Waiting? "then kill the polytheists wherever you find them, and seize them and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush. But if they repent and perform prayer and pay the poor-tax, then let them go their way." Gee how sweet of them to let the unbelievers go after submission, the Devil (I mean Allah) is truly merciful after all. LOL.
pablocoon 2 years ago
Luke 19:27 (King James Version) "but those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me."
There's more... and the OT is full of that talk. Last time I checked the OT IS part of the Bible.
QURAN: "Permission to fight is granted to those who are being persecuted, since injustice has befallen them, and GOD is certainly able to support them. They were evicted from their homes unjustly, for no reason other than saying, "Our Lord is GOD." (22:39)
kappy0405 2 years ago
(cont) "If they resort to peace, so shall you, and put your trust in GOD. He is the Hearer, the Omniscient."(8:61).
The Quran says "defend yourself". Any quote saying otherwise is selective quoting and out of context. Try again
alls Im saying is go read and learn things for yourself. You obviously aren't because you wouldn't be babbling this nonsense Western propaganda.
Now lets just agree to disagree until you read up a little so we can stop hijacking this guys thread, k? Its about Ron Paul.
kappy0405 2 years ago
IF they resort to peace, that's a big if and what qaulifies as peace to them? The quote you gave me is from a parable not a command or encouragment for aggression against pagans or gentiles. Western propaganda? Babbling? you call me a brainwashed simpleton and then ytou say agree to disagree? YOU ARE WRONG. Islam is the most intolerant, violent, destructive religion in the history of the world and of course it is. It's adoration comes from a mass murderer, You still have not explained the 900
pablocoon 2 years ago
I have studied the Koran and have read the bible from cover to cover 5 times. There is no comparison. The "prophet" Muhammad was a war lord, Jesus chose to be crucified rather than take up arms against unjustified persecution. In the minds of Muslims this difference is not lost. Point blank simple: To live in peace within a non theocratic nation and be a muslim is to defy your faith. To live in peace and live a Gody life within a non theocracy as a Christian is to observe Christs teachings.
pablocoon 2 years ago
just stop.its obvious youre stuck in your biased conditioning
Muhammed lived in a time of war in a region consumed by war.Obviously there will be references to it. He never once advocated attacks outside of self defense
How can you talk about intolerance when ur bible condemns anyone not accepting the shit resurrection story to hell for eternity? No, Islam is the most tolerant of the monotheistic religions by far.
just stop fighting it and leave your hatred out of this guys thread
kappy0405 2 years ago
I am not biased, I am simply in touch with reality. I do not hate Muslims but refute Islam always. None of this is based on brianwashing. If anyone is brain washed it's you. Brainwashed by political correctness and misinformation. "shit ressurection story," well put kappy. Leave your ignorance of Islamic violent tradition off this thread and don't tell me what to write or not write. Your "tolerant" religion plows planes into buildings. If thats tolerance then what is close mindedness, Jesus?LOL.
pablocoon 2 years ago
actually the political correct thing to do IS to bash Islam.
Obviously there are extremists in every religion... a bit naive to think its limited to Islam
911 has as much to do with Islam as the Crusades/inquisitions/witch hunts have to do with Christianity. The fact that you cant acknowledge that shows proves that youre biased.
and maybe if we weren't supporting Jewish apartheid in the middle east and creating military bases all over their land, they wouldn't have attacked us. pay attention.
kappy0405 2 years ago
again more rubbish. Political correctness always dictates that we not offend those who could be offended. Even Bush went out of his way to insist that the war was not with Islam but with terrorists.9/11 had everything to do with martyrdom in Islam, with virgins and paradise through violence against a society which insults Islam."If we did this they wouldn't have attacked us," I'm so sick of that bullshit. They attacked us becuase they are evil and driven by an evil faith that condones bloodshed.
pablocoon 2 years ago
political correctness in the West dictates we dont offend anyone, except Muslims. This is generally accepted as truth even among Christians here.
They attacked us because we've been attacking them.
Suppose the Canadian government came to Maryland and set up military bases there to encourage a religious coup in the Eastern US because 'God' said so. Would you be upset? Would you be willing to fight?
Now replace Canada with US, and Maryland with the middle east.. the religious coup is Zionism.
kappy0405 2 years ago
Furthermore Islam does not teach that Christians and Jews go to heaven if they believe in God, that is untrue and utterly rediculous. The only sure way to enter into paradise in Islam is to die fighting for Islam. In that way Islam harkens back to it's pagan roots. It's very simliar infact to Norse mythology. Muhammad conquered, he used violence if needed. This is not the action of a man of peace who spreads his faith through tolerance or discourse.
pablocoon 2 years ago
just drop it.. i have no desire to continue this with you.
you play right into the divide and conquer line. I just suggest that you stop generalizing.
and what's this?? a Christian calling Islam a pagan religion? rotflmao.
monotheism is pagan in general.
kappy0405 2 years ago
In case you haven't noticed smart guy, you have been a part of this conversation too. How is Christianity a pagan religion? I can't wait to hear this one. Even the symbols of islam, the crescent moon and stars, even the language are derived from pagan orders.YOU drop it and stop kissing Islams butt. if you are dumb enough to believe even after all this, that Islam is a religion of peace then you are beyond repair. Like I said if anyone is brain washed it's you. Death to Islam.
pablocoon 2 years ago
what do you mean 'after all of this'. I've read the Quran front to back numerous times.. as i have the Bible. You're biased comments didn't show me anything.. I just have no desire to debate it with someone who is clearly biased.
kappy0405 2 years ago
Then don't debate, you have no clue any way. Go ahead fight for Islam, just don't end up on the wrong end of one of their attacks.
pablocoon 2 years ago
At the time Muhammad spoke the passage he had enough power to dominate and crush the remaining Pagan tribes within the Hijaz,so he used it. He changed the rules and regulations that involved the Pagans. The Pagans did nothing to precipitate this change; they continued to do as they had done for the last year under Muhammads rule. But Muhammad used his ever growing power and placed his rough noose of Islam around their necks. Pagans were forced to join Islam or die. This is not self defense.
pablocoon 2 years ago
Bro bring me one verse from the quran to show ayesha was 9 years old. I can bring non biblical source to show Mary was 10 years infact the catholic encyclopedia is enough, also not to mention talmud. You wont find one sir. What you were referring to was hadith which is a secondary source even though kappy clearly won against you in that argument. This argument simply knocks it down further.
JoinRonPaul 2 years ago
Kappy has not won anything and I will tell you why. My argument remains the same and just as true. Islam is founded by a mass murderer named Muhammad. Call me nutz if you will but I am going to follow aman who lived a sinless life,told his followers to love thy neighbor and forgive thy enemy over a man who killed 900 people,was a war lord and some believe a sexual predator.Again sinless savior crucifed and beaten to save us all vs. violent Jihadist. these are the sources and the former wins out.
pablocoon 2 years ago
Narrated 'Aisha: I used to play with the dolls in the presence of the Prophet, and my girl friends also used to play with me. When Allah's Apostle used to enter (my dwelling place) they used to hide themselves, but the Prophet would call them to join and play with me. (The playing with the dolls and similar images is forbidden, but it was allowed for 'Aisha at that time, as she was a little girl, not yet reached the age of puberty.) (Fateh-al-Bari page 143, Vol.13) Volume 8, Book 73.
pablocoon 2 years ago
Your insistance that Christianity is similiar is beyond rediculous. Did Jesus decapitate 900 people? Was Jesus a war lord? Did Jesus say he who liveth by the sword shall persish by the sword? I'm not saying Christ was a pacifist, but compaired to the pedophile, mass murderer, conqueror Muhammad he was truly fair, loving and intolerant of violence against non believers. Produce scripture from the new testament that says it's ok to kill for Christ or shut up please.
pablocoon 2 years ago
it's nice that Islam might say Christians go to heaven with Jews if they believe in God, however those who practice Islam will not go to heaven becuase they do not recognize Jesus Christ as their redeemer,savior and master.That;'s the whole point of Christianity which pre-dates Islam by many centuries and therefor need not adhere to Islam in any way. that Islam recognizes Christ and Christianity does not recognize Islam is rudimentary to the faith of a Christian and proves the fallacy of Islam.
pablocoon 2 years ago
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Justbeatit999 2 years ago
doesn't Ron know that his austerian measure will only lead to fascism. Yeah, lets setup a system that doesn't invest into education and legalizes drugs. FDR protectionist policies didn't prolong the depression, Hoover's high tariffs did. FDR's new deal created the circumstances for us to come out of that nightmare.
react1200 2 years ago