Marcel Duchamp and John Cage

[Poemsapennyeach]

More Cage and Richter than Duchamp in this...

[DONOFRIONIST]

This is what I'm uncaging about, the Duchampatorium. I'm proud of being included as a Pataphysic Video Messiah by the digparty website in their awesome pataphisicians celebrities wizards almatic party, between Marcel Duchamp, Alfred Jarry, Boris Vian, Jean Dubuffet, all of'em... Blessed.

[Nindojo]

Anybody else trying to write an essay on Duchamp?

[vondelpark1973]

"DaDa is beautiful like the night, who cradles the young day in her arms."

(Hans Arp)

[esbengroendal]

Fantastical how the Danish label Echochords LPs resemble the first of the discs, and how the DIAL label's "The Lost Tracks pt. 1" resemble the fish on the disc at 1:47!

[polythedralgarden]

yo, some of those discs looked like mushrooms... very Cagean!

[ChemoSession1]

stfu retards

[dadaist2011]

dada

[windstorm1000]

I love it!! Gets us outside of our Mozart box. Cage, et al are geniuses!

[jakountz1]

Did you guys see John Lennon in there? Uncanny.

[FTGKR3WGRAFF]

i think thats the first time ive seen boobs on youtube in my life,

[TomHendricksMusea]

See Snake Oil for the conceptual art that attacks conceptual art and modern art abuses, and suggests a new post modern art of back to basics.

[stonem001]

this is great

[victorsaint2]

nice one! thanks for posting this.

[antumamo]

crazy round things

[Diametrac]

Dada. Nice.

[adric137]

very exotic music!

[trufiend138]

this is from richter's "Dreams That Money Can Buy"..great movie...

[testaroja]

superbe! ......so avant-garde...non?

[OdeToNecrophilia]

what?

[Mazurka1001]

vraiment!

[OdeToNecrophilia]

What is the music piece? Someone tell me the name!

[elveto88]

reunion?

[OdeToNecrophilia]

And who's the creator?

[tryagaintodo]

I think it is "Music for Marcel Duchamp" for prepared Piano, written by John Cage

[telemacohomewwod]

the piece is "Music for Marcel Duchamp" by john cage (1947) for prepared piano

a master piece absolutely

[OdeToNecrophilia]

thank you!

[xLotteeee]

John Cage

[denicemf]

Look at the music of John Cage, I supose he is the autor.

[benusherr]

reminds me of david lynch

[patrickfaithart]

Around 2:08 the woman finally has her top off ;)

[cibernetic]

pervert!!!

[eyesintheroad]

yeah and the movement of the circles forming spirals is finally unclock-wise too :).

[OfAwesomeWin]

I don't get it. I 'm sorry maybe I am too close-minded, uneducated or culturally lacking. Could please somebody explain/help me understand?

Thank you!

[pataphysician66]

This work is experimental and pretty advanced for its time. Think of it as a dream.

[Retrocyclers]

@pataphysician66 Yes, I find it interesting when people describe 'art' as advanced when now, the Hollywood entertainment machine since 'Bush' has been reduced to scavenging it's influences between comic books and children's stories......Can anyone prove me wrong....

[Overture2008]

I don't think that it's meant for understanding. Part of modern art is to reflect society and a lot of artists think that we can't understand life or society as it is.

[declare1independence]

I like the references to Marcel Duchamp's famous work, "Nude descending a staircase." The woman on that painting was broke up into lines to focus on the movement, and it seems like the music reflects that same idea.

[MrChirpsky]

I have to respectfully disagree. I too love Raymond Scott, however, assuming you're referring to his electronic music, he consciously designed it for commercials in the age of the Jetsons. This music by Cage and film by Duchamp was designed to express the thematic connection between musical sounds and natural geometric forms and physical movement. I miss the counterculture with its openness that this (and Raymond Scott) were emblematic of.

[musiloo]

The music's ok - but I think there's a lot of Raymond Scott's music out there that would have been much better suited to this video!

[reinedparis]

actually I'm not quite sure what does this film means can someone pls explain tome ? is the round disc means dreams ? ... or other meaning ?

[seanotoole927]

you have to think of the context - experimental 60's influenced by hallucinagens, minimalism, op art and a search for the new through mistake and experiment. the meaning - if asking for one - is that the meaning is intrinsic to the medium. not meant to be philo or psychological - it is what it is.... but that's quite a difficult thing to achieve.

[BulbousAlsoTapered]

The film was made in 1947 - the "experimental 60's" films, minimalism etc were influenced by this.

[seanotoole927]

1947?! ... so you had the post surrealist step into abstraction and American 'road trip' intellectualism... Huxley was tripping around this time.

[quagapp]

The round disc is like one my father had showing wave motion (for people who are - say - learning physics) - it can mean dreams but I think they wanted to show the sound -music -image-space-motion interconnection - and I think if you just look at it and listen it can mean whatever you want it to.

[reinedparis]

actually... I'm not quite understand what does this film means... can someone pls explain to me ? I did love to know more about it.. especially those rounds , what are they for ? does it mean dreams ?

[TheFreakSupper]

I like forks in the sun.

[lolfag93]

What the fuck were those guys taking?

[xGuttix]

WWII and Zen meditation... I think

[bitachar]

very nice

[sebei]

actually i'm not quite understand the ending, anyone can explain?

[ajsmcs]

Heheh, a nude descending a staircase. classy touch, duchamp.

[stanmoonetc]

feeling dizzy! HEADHIT LIGHT WORKS

[sisterdiggins]

This is a fantastic movie!!

So many great parts to it

[stilly2009]

fantastic work by cage and cunningham,the films works well with the music

[hitlermugabetashtwin]

shit, i AM gay. sorry guys.

[josepolo950]

I dont mind!!lol!!

[frackle]

Dude it's totally cool

[antetdi]

Does anyone know what is the name of piece of music playing at the beginning? (Wouldn't it sound good on harp?) Thanks!

[somedude1129]

Im not sure of the name, but I can tell you that it was written for Prepared Piano, meaning that John Cage presumably stuck a bunch of random things (paper clips, chewing gum, footie pajamas, shampoo bottles, dead babies, etc.) in a piano and used that as a way of composing: He removed a lot of his 'intention' from the music by not knowing how things would sound. He also did this by using chance operations. Pretty cool stuff though, if you like it, you should check out some of his other stuff.

[PrimalShadow3]

Very culturally based.

[ragnorakk]

Hmm. Hard to tell if this is good or not. If theres a moral point, like the death of the salesman or the guy is bad then yes but its hard to tell.

[ChadSmith1452]

Simply put, yes, this good; no, there is no "moral" point.

[ginopepino3000]

stupid

[Salatta666]

yes you are.

[qrrb]

it is stupid

[nachopistola]

situasionism rules...

[JonBibire]

2456.309-my paintings=379+Marcel+Cage

jon.

[pazumo]

...

lol

voces são um bando de pseudo-intelectuais q tentam achar graça nisso

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dadaismo,surrealismo,antiarte e etc

é p da um look

da risada e sai fora

HAUhauHAUHauHAUH

[fernandojeon]

e vc é pseudo-ouvinte de música classica

se enxerga cara

[dizana1]

~hey boys~

[laurixima]

DioMorgan è qui!

[gioni]

You'll get what you ask for,..

If you dare!

[gioni]

You'll get what you ask for,..

If you dare!

[bartnijstad]

thanks for posting this on youtube

[transphormetic]

amazed really

[dhatudharma]

this is the best video in the world.

[Geonihilist]

Putting Martha Graham, Marcel Duchamp, and John Cage together would be explosive, but who would be the additional poet?

(EE Cummings?)

[egapnala65]

I would have thought James Joyce or Gertrude Stein myself.

[EgonSchiele2]

Tremendísimos genios!

[nanathan]

alright genius' ready to be mind blown, this isnt the original. so you can all stop arguing about duchamp, the original was silent, black and white and went for 7 minutes, they are the same disks bearing spirals yeah, but this isnt duchamps original work

[imaduba]

Original??? What is it? Original is not a qord for Marcel Duchamp. This is a Richter's film with approvation of Duchamp and John Cage, of course. A bunch of bad guys!!

[Petroptr]

@nanathan you're wrong, the "original" you're referring to is anemic cinema made by Duchamp in 1926.

This is a sequence of "dreams that money can buy" by Richter, which uses Duchamp's 'rotoreliefs', made in 1935. Those rotoreliefs stuff are similar in style with the 'anemic cinema' film, but in fact they're a different thing.

[MLaruelle]

desde Rimbaud, la vanguardia sigue su camino de largo, paciente y razonado desarreglo de todos los sentidos

[necrosifilis]

this is best, than my duchamps video

[psaavedrat]

Mmmm, crazy, the spiral looks like the Vertigo label.

[jeemobon]

mysterious and wonderful

[SwedxSimon]

I like this video as the music and video goes very well together. But as for the ''excellent metaphors'' I don't believe there are any. Anyone who says otherwise should really explain what those metaphors are or where the ''deepness'' in it lies. Otherwise it's likely s/he is just trying to gain status from the elitist person-fixated social construct known as art by seeming ''deep'' without really having a clue, which is really fucking annoying.

[cosmosbound]

depth can only be experienced in the simple places.

[polymath7]

SwedxSimon, could you please expatiate on your observation that art is an "elitist person-fixated social construct"?

[jookyle]

I very much enjoyed that.

[Waranoa]

It doesn't do much for me, and I'm into weird shit you know ;) It's just quite static and all.

[parespayer]

Rrose Selavy

[Sefardisafran]

Some of the comments above are prompted by people not having the necessary intellect to UNDERSTAND,let and leave them stupid!

[albul13]

you dont need intellect to understand this nonesense, the word intellect comes from europe my friend, i hope your old enough to admit that, this is just a little bug for people to debate on, not to buy tickets and listen to this bullshit.

[iwanttowatchsomethin]

Disingenuous, and condescending. It takes more than put-downs to convince someone of your point. But I have to question if you are even interested in changing anyone's mind so much as expressing your disgust. Well, enjoy your freedom of expression as Cage and Duchamp have.

[blackbagel]

albul, go back to reading NOTW, watch jane goody on telly,you're out of your depth talking about Duchamp, don't exhaust your intellect, remember you don't have one my friend as it comes from europe.

[TheatreOfTheAbsurd]

good. thanx

[assholesmoreassholes]

Well, those were certainly the wisest words I have ever heard on the subject of spam. That really has given me something to think about. Such profundity, such insight ...

[pedrovictor]

dadatube

[RightUpYourAss]

bollocks

[Unbihexium]

this is not DADA

[ORLYxXxYARLY]

Duchamp wasn't really a Dadaist, he went through a lot of stages, but he was a surrealist more than anything.

[lolmusique]

Duchamp was nothing but himself

[polymath7]

I have mixed feelings about Duchamp lolmusique, but your comment, it seems to me, is nothing but cryptic pseudoprofundity.

[Unbihexium]

Just like yours. Anyway, what I have said is right. I mean dadaism and Cage's theory of music is different. That's all.

[aalaimo512]

this shit hypnatizes me

[OLinLeeds]

Love it.Bring back Dada....

[odqq]

bollocks

[melawel]

'nude descending a staircase' - brilliant.

[kevindomb1445]

seriously...wtf is this!?

[tonyztuba]

It's the sound-image of a billion minds refusing to think....

[locoxpoco]

bro..

this is a, Artistic Movement emerged in Europe and North America. Appeared in Zurich, Switzerland between 1916 and 1922 with Tristan Tzara as its founder. It was a violent past opposition to the First World War.

Dada comes as a total ideology as a way of life and as an absolute rejection of any tradition or previous scheme

Cinema dada -

[anathemeee]

nothing special :]

[anathemeee]

nothing spacial :]

[luludeuva]

Great¡¡¡

[fbamca]

sweet combination

[Screamgreats]

I kept expecting Rod Serling begin narrating.

[WickedWildStylesDead]

*Hysterics!*

[pishdad]

God John Cage is terrible!

[GolumTR]

He did a good film with Rahsaan Roland Kirk called "Sound". It is a really good explanation of why the two very different artists used extra-musical sound, which he's not really doing here. I don't know enough about Cage to do apologetics for him, but Kirk is one of the great Jazz-men.

[dos4gw82]

No...he was a brilliant man and a great innovator. The music here is intended to be as abstract or random as Duchamp's images. Look up John Cage on wikipedia.I think you'll find it interesting; he made a lot of important contributions to modern music.

[pishdad]

I know all about John Cage. I don't consider him.

[dos4gw82]

consider him...?

[pishdad]

I don't consider him to be very interesting, thought provoking. His work is rather 1-dimensional. It doesn't reach into the higher realms of art- it's tapestry music and I believe shallow. That's my opinion- nothing revolutionary about Cage. Now Bartok is a whole different thing all together. Whey you place Bartok next to Cage one should see what I mean- see the many layers of Bartok.

[jksvblkj]

Bullshit is a marvellous thing.

[imaduba]

in emule you have the film

[dethes808]

hey, where did you get it?

[mikongo]

this is not 2007

[ernesto1985]

"music for marcel duchamp"

[JJ77TTUU3]

very excellent metamorphs

[BiggestErectionInUSA]

Cut the intellectual crap. This is bollocks.

[mplatitysn]

Dansbuelle.