@jhimm It's only against the rules used in US competitions. This is perfectly legal in chinese competition, where this is a respected sport- and like any other sport, you have to be an athlete to win.
That said, it's a timing-based counter, not strength. If he was just muscling it, then the counter-throw would take place on the same railroad-tracks as the initial throw- you would use force and posture to resist the attempt to break your balance and then execute your throw when it rebounds,
@selfcritical Yes, that's exactly what I said. It is not strength, it is about emptying the right foot before it is swept.
I have no interest in getting into a semantic debate about the words "respect", "sport" or "athlete" since we're talking about concepts understood and expressed in two different languages it is not possible to construct common etymological ground for the conversation.
This happened to me some times in standup grappling. I just stood there and my opponent basically threw himself. You need to have weight in your front leg and a deeper centre of gravity than your opponent. In Tai Chi this is called "root".
This is not Taiji push hand .both side use way too much their own strength. They haven't get into Taiji door yet not even close.they can only put into rasuling
@QueUnlimited He stepped backward, not forward. It is more likely an application of Repulse Monkey or something similar. Stepping forward and stepping backward are completely distinct within the thirteen kinetic energy and Brush Knee Twist Step is all forward.
A lot of students are unaware of how much effect "body mechanics" has in their martial art and I don't mean that as a bad thing. When someone sees a technique, they practice it over and over again until they're good at it, but don't understand that it's body mechanics that play the most important part of doing that technique. If you steer your learning curve more towards body mechanics than the step 1, step 2, step 3 of your technique, you'll be able to adapt yourself and your technique better.
@Belphybear That couldn't be less accurate. The preemptive step backwards with the left foot has nothing to do with strength. The guy in beige is trying to step behind two feet which are sharing equal weight, & sweep the right one to create imbalance & uproot. By stepping back with the left foot preemptively, all weight is on the left & the right foot which is being swept is "empty". Sweeping it ceases to have value, meanwhile beige has over-committed, off-balance & easily uprooted.
it was good.. but no mystery there... that is just like a judo counter of an osoto gari with an osoto gari... if you do that throw incompletely, like the first guy, the other can counter with the same technique...
I got to push hands with the guy in the red shirt in Jinan during the events surrounding Master Chen Zhonghua's International Standard Bearer Ceremony. His name is Han Yue and he is a true pit bull when it comes to push hands.
ohhh it cool ! ! !
MMAStyleful 3 months ago
How is this "push hands"? Both of them moved at least one foot, which is against the rules of competitive push hands.
jhimm 4 months ago
@jhimm It's only against the rules used in US competitions. This is perfectly legal in chinese competition, where this is a respected sport- and like any other sport, you have to be an athlete to win.
That said, it's a timing-based counter, not strength. If he was just muscling it, then the counter-throw would take place on the same railroad-tracks as the initial throw- you would use force and posture to resist the attempt to break your balance and then execute your throw when it rebounds,
selfcritical 4 months ago
@selfcritical Yes, that's exactly what I said. It is not strength, it is about emptying the right foot before it is swept.
I have no interest in getting into a semantic debate about the words "respect", "sport" or "athlete" since we're talking about concepts understood and expressed in two different languages it is not possible to construct common etymological ground for the conversation.
jhimm 4 months ago
This happened to me some times in standup grappling. I just stood there and my opponent basically threw himself. You need to have weight in your front leg and a deeper centre of gravity than your opponent. In Tai Chi this is called "root".
monkfg 11 months ago
I mean wrestling catagory not Taiji push hand.
bdzbk1 11 months ago
This is not Taiji push hand .both side use way too much their own strength. They haven't get into Taiji door yet not even close.they can only put into rasuling
bdzbk1 11 months ago
Brush Knee Twist and Push Step...know it well.
QueUnlimited 1 year ago
@QueUnlimited He stepped backward, not forward. It is more likely an application of Repulse Monkey or something similar. Stepping forward and stepping backward are completely distinct within the thirteen kinetic energy and Brush Knee Twist Step is all forward.
jhimm 4 months ago
A lot of students are unaware of how much effect "body mechanics" has in their martial art and I don't mean that as a bad thing. When someone sees a technique, they practice it over and over again until they're good at it, but don't understand that it's body mechanics that play the most important part of doing that technique. If you steer your learning curve more towards body mechanics than the step 1, step 2, step 3 of your technique, you'll be able to adapt yourself and your technique better.
berner 1 year ago
@berner
Couldn't say it better!
monkfg 11 months ago
looks like a raw strength counter...when someone tries to sweep you. yu do it to him instead. strongest person wins
Belphybear 1 year ago
@Belphybear That couldn't be less accurate. The preemptive step backwards with the left foot has nothing to do with strength. The guy in beige is trying to step behind two feet which are sharing equal weight, & sweep the right one to create imbalance & uproot. By stepping back with the left foot preemptively, all weight is on the left & the right foot which is being swept is "empty". Sweeping it ceases to have value, meanwhile beige has over-committed, off-balance & easily uprooted.
jhimm 4 months ago
I guess, that's how a application of Taijiquan should look like ... thanks a lot for uploading. Very interessting 10 sec !
TaijiShiatsu 1 year ago
Remember I was here.Thai
universetechnique 1 year ago
More Shuai Jiao flavor... nice throw.... thanks!
superbouncykid 2 years ago
nice
taijihitman 2 years ago
HA! The exact same thing happened to me. My sifu just put me on the ground when I though tI had the advantage!
ShaoLimper 2 years ago
Nice, but every martial art use this countertrow, it's a basic move
madaochenggong 2 years ago
He led him into emptiness.
Capoeirista81 3 years ago 3
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Someone has led you into retardedness
blurfist 3 years ago
No, he led him into emptiness son! We do this in Judo too. I did it to somebody in class as a matter of fact
Capoeirista81 3 years ago 5
twas kool, the throw was horrible tho
Spitterkat 3 years ago
it was good.. but no mystery there... that is just like a judo counter of an osoto gari with an osoto gari... if you do that throw incompletely, like the first guy, the other can counter with the same technique...
perdido88 4 years ago
Nobody said it was a mystery.
neijiachuan 3 years ago 9
I can't stop watching this. So utterly skilled.
angusmcgherkinsquirt 4 years ago
I got to push hands with the guy in the red shirt in Jinan during the events surrounding Master Chen Zhonghua's International Standard Bearer Ceremony. His name is Han Yue and he is a true pit bull when it comes to push hands.
toddfm 5 years ago
Judo wat to do with Taiji! Nice demo
jamesteowm 5 years ago