The Mystic Heart - Part 4 - All Reality in One Moment

[avum]

2:10 From Itself, into Itself, integrating Itself ... From Itself (the Father), into Itself (the Son), integrating Itself (the Holy Spirit) ... if I might.

[IChIDH]

@avum The Holy Trickery

[taboosun]

The universe is playing. Were just making a huge picture that spans out into the macrocosm us the plural of which is unknown....

[CloudshadowMan1]

Brother Wayne had the experience of God pouring Himself into everything as Himself. And everything has a place. Peace and contentment to all beings.

[ThisSongsShit]

this guy has some great afternoons LoL

[duncality]

And how much LSD did this guy take?

[matsyendranath]

@duncality Dont try and reduce it to a pharmacological event

[mindful1983]

why did jesus' face show up? hold on a sec...

[Awakenedgoddes]

wat a faggot

[btsumm]

I love the way beyond science comment...

[deadsilentnight]

What the FUCK are are these guys talking about? I didn't know I needed a PhD in metaphysical mumbo-jumbo to experience the experience God, or uh, excuse me "The infinite expanse of consciousness dissolving into one collective consciousness of cosmic love"...fuck off, please.

Beware the "gurus", folks. It's a manipulative form of seduction that fills pockets and strokes egos. If experience God, take ONLY your bible out to the woods for 8 hours of prayer and solitude, that is transformation.

[nodonnel]

I agree that we should be wary of anyone claiming to have special knowledge of anything until we have evidence that they are indeed knowledgeable, and in addition well-intentioned. I, and many others, have been satisfied in our evaluation of Mr. Wilbur in the capacity that he speaks to truths we can understand and implement in our own lives. That his language is poetic and, yes, sometimes abstruse appeals to certain truth-seekers and, apparently, wards others off. To each his own.

[Alive4eternity]

There is no claim to special knowledge here. The experience of God is simple. It is also perfect and complete and, I think, important for us to try to comprehend if we are to understand the underlying unity of existence. Where a teacher like Tolle only deals with the simplist knowledge of living in the now (and not anything having to do with the higher consciousness), these people are discussing a fundamental truth of metaphysical depth--that our ultimate reality is an Infinite Glory.

[DLSMaster]

@nodonnel I totaly agree with you there. If it wasnt from the Matrix movies i wouldnt goten the The Ultimate Matrix Collection Limited Edition DVD Case Set, then watched the commentaries with him and Dr Cornel West, then got Mr Wilber's 1st book, well the 20th anniversary edition, called The Spectrum of Consciousness, and again im with you there on that.

[andthentherewasham]

@nodonnel

Ahem *Wilber*

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[llevivell]

I don't care if this is 6 months old....... It's going to be a long, hard road for you if you continue to evaluate everything with that lovely 'denseness' you have there. You're only seeing your partial, subjective part to it. THERE'S MORE.

[llevivell]

Oh and about your Bible.... I sure hope you understand how to properly read that thing. It's been distorted, mind you. Your Bible is very little without your meditation, your experience/relationship.

[elsabiosecalla]

What type of relation should the Bible have to the contemplative life...? Which is more important?

[llevivell]

I think the contemplative life is far more important. Or you could stretch it a bit more and call it Direct Experience...

The Bible has it's substance, but it's not a Holy Book that must be read and understood for you to get into Heaven.... what a joke. There are infinite ways of coming to realization of your true self. And your true self is God/consciousness.... So, I say screw the middle man (religion).

[elsabiosecalla]

What, then, is the norm or plumbline of my spirituality? For example, is my own direct experience of God-consciousness an authority in its own right? Or what do I use to test and examine my experiences? If my contemplative life or spiritual experiences contradict something I see in the Bible, should I accept them or reject them?

[llevivell]

Religion has done well with clouding the right-brain understanding of the Self. Above all, I think if you attempt to live your life positively in word and deed, and are actually doing work on yourself (evolving), you have nothing to worry about. You'll begin to feel the positivity of the change.

And to your last question: I wouldn't do anything immediately. If anything, when something does contradict the Bible, let it go and give it time/thought. There's no rush. YOU will figure it out.

[KnowKnot]

8 hours of prayer and solitude with a bible, and your results are "fuck off?"

Which translation is that?

[MaBu888]

"And as we enter the 21st century, it stands to reason that the recognition of a common mystical ground between Buddhism, Christianity, and the other World Religions will be the most important event of all." - from the video description, and also relevant is that buddhism is quite atheistic, while Christianity is monotheistic, if not polythestic.

[3rdWorldCrusader]

I'm really beginning to like Ken Wilber's ideas.

[mercurius0]

this guy has an amazing visual mind

[SticksTweeks]

Joy and letting the dude let his catholic/christian stuff out. Respect! See you in the green paddock... hehehahahahalove

[eamonncake]

Of course everybody sees their own spiritual teacher. Large numbers of people having NDEs are now claming to be greeted by Elvis! Who's gonna make that up?

[weetiepeetie]

I think it would ROCK (no pun intended) if Elvis greeted me when I died! James Brown would be even better.

[DustTown]

In time, I wish to talk to you about my own version of pansophy. Good luck ken! May the movement raise the consciousness of the world before it's blown up!

[charcules]

can i hear your own version of pansophy?

[sacca7]

Sogyal Rinpoche describes going through a similar experience in his book, Tibetan Book of Living and Dying. Thanks for posting.

[woowsetelothe]

he said he saw Jesusface?!, how funny, because he was brought up as a christian that is why he saw Jesus in his own imagination. Not everybody is a Chrstian, besides there are very strong evidences that Jesus was a mythologcal figure and never really existed.

Check the work of the scholar John Alegro about the dead sea scolls.This is rubbish.

[Stereolabdream]

There are very strong historical evidences that Jesus did exist. No room to elucidate them here. Point is, neither opinion is "rubbish", I'm sorry your mind is so closed to an obviously intense, valid experience of another human, even if you doubt the spirituality of that experience.

[mercurius0]

i don't think he would doubt that jesus is only an image in his head - put there by his upbringing, but it doesnt matter. that's just how the experience revealed itself to him.

[3rdWorldCrusader]

There is no evidence that Christ was a myth.

[telethon123]

Check out Robert M. Price's book "The Incredible Shrinking Son of Man". It offers plenty of evidence, as does the film "The God Who Wasn't There."

There are a couple of debates with Robert M. Price on Google Video that are interesting as well.

[ddj333]

...and no evidence that Christ IS a myth. Christ consciousness, that is.

[SilentBud420]

we are also consciousness.. and we are one :) we create our universe

[MaBu888]

SilentBud420... is ALSO right LOL.

[elsabiosecalla]

do we also create the universe of those around us...?

[SilentBud420]

now my understanding is, we are the universe, all there is is awarness and theres no "my" awarness and "your" its one. and that awarness is the empty space in wich the universe/big bang happend, you are it adn that all that really exists

[elsabiosecalla]

I think anyone who has studied any form of philosophical, historical or theological development in the last 2,000 years would laugh at the accusation that Jesus of Nazareth was a mythological figure. Even secularists accept that Jesus walked on earth. On anothe note, Allegro's writings were popular but the academic world treated them as a joke.

[woowsetelothe]

Sorry but we laugh at YOU, the evidence that he never existed is overpowering. YOU need to get an education, I laugh at you. I might even send you a link to a great book that shows how ignirant you are. The joke is on you.

[woowsetelothe]

***ignorant. That was a typo there

[nicolatwo]

I don't accept the word "God", because there are so many gods. If he talks about a general experience of the universe, why use the word god? It pushes his belief on others. I don't agree with it. Christ is not everybody's god or teacher. The Christian god is not the ruler of the universe. There is no ruler to begin with.

[Por0]

Why do you call them gods, or the universe? Isn't that exactly a same kind of imposing?

[nicolatwo]

No. It's not.

[shoe2112]

Peace to all whom read this. Have a great day.

[JGL53]

These guys seem ok to me. It's people like Jerry Falwell and Pat Robertson, the pope and similar asshats and mullahs that people need to be wary of.

[createculture]

Raise your consciousness before you speak to the galactic community IQHQ, please. Thank you.

[CapJD26]

No doubtboy, it's not Buddhism. Brother Teasdale was a Catholic Monk who previously spent time at an Ashram in India. He is attempting to describe mystical experiences that can only be really understood by direct experience.  Brother Wayne Teasdale passed away on October 20, 2004, at age 59, after his second battle with cancer. God bless him.

[IQHQ]

This is such self-indulgence... there are so many contradicitions here, it's unvelievable. It's just brain-spew... anyone who buys in to this needs their heads examined.

[blahinhawaii]

Anyone who buys into anything hasn't examined their head.

[IQHQ]

I'd love to se Ramachandram have a look at this guy.... what an idiot (i.e. Brother Teasdale) - some serious temporal-lobe issues

[doubtboy]

This is not Buddhism.

[MaBu888]

So?