My Sunday school teacher got banned from Calvary Baptist Church in Lake Park Georgia by the pastor, because he was teaching the Bible. Many people are being deceived and when a man came to teach truth he was attacked by the pastor.
I am thankful that God has men like this who will preach the truth even when they are attacked by "religious leaders".
(part 8) Evangelism is actually lifted up in this doctrine, for the evangelist may tell his congregation that Christ died for sinners, and that he will not lose any of those for whom he died! Again, thank you all for your patience. @JackMWolfe, I think we are just about done until you grow up.
@CBALLEN Thanks for the comment. I find it disconcerting to have conversations with people like Jack. They claim to be of the sheep, i.e., they believe in Jesus Christ, His Gospel, & precepts yet they couldn't be farther from biblical truth & their behavior adds insult, exposing the evil and putrid sinner within. In Jack's case, his revealed profile picture certainly is an ad for one who, like a wolf, hunts and devours others through his profane language and ferocious hate of the brethren.
@TheologyChannel Like all cults, definitions to common words used by Christians need to be established.Every cult defines words differently.So I guess that would help us all and save many arguments if we would get that out of the way first.God Bless.
@1689Baptist They do seem to change the rules in midstream sometimes,don't they? Have you heard anything about Dwayne's congregation lately?I liked the part when He said,"after the 4 weeks,if you've been talking behind my back I'm coming to your door",that cracked me up.
(part 7) Christ's death was not a death of POTENTIAL atonement for all people. Believing that Jesus' death was a potential, symbolic atonement for anyone who might possibly, in the future, accept him trivializes Christ's act of atonement. Christ died to atone for specific sins of specific sinners. Christ died to make holy the church. He did not atone for all men, because obviously all men are not saved. (continued.)
(part 6) Specifically, Christ died for the invisible Church -- the sum total of all those who would ever rightly bear the name "Christian" (Eph 5:25). Jack opposes this doctrine because he wrongly believes it does damage to evangelism and makes men helpless robots (he forgets about man’s responsibility and desire to sin). We have already seen that Christ will not lose any that the father has given to him (John 6:37). (continued.)
(part 5) His second questioned is, “2) Does God therefore create the rest of mankind for destruction?” It is aimed at Limited Atonement (the “L” in the TULIP acrostic). Limited Atonement is a doctrine offered in answer to the question, "for whose sins did Christ atone?" The Bible teaches that Christ died for those whom God gave him to save (John 17:9). Christ died, indeed, for many people, but not all (Matt 26:28). (continued.)
(part 4) He did this act before the foundations of the world (Eph 1:4-8). The elect are saved unto good works (Eph 2:10). Thus, though good works never bridge the gulf between man & God that was formed in the Fall, good works are a result of God's saving grace. This is what Peter means when he admonishes the Christian reader to make his "calling" & "election" sure (2 Pet 1:10). Bearing the fruit of good works is an indication that God has sown seeds of grace in fertile soil. (continued.)
(part 3) His first question is aimed at the doctrine of Unconditional Election (the “U” in the TULIP acrostic), i.e., God chose those whom he was pleased to bring to a knowledge of himself, not based upon any merit shown by the object of his grace & not based upon his looking forward to discover who would "accept" the offer of the gospel. God has elected, based solely upon the counsel of his own will, some for glory & others for damnation (Rom 9:15-21). (continued.)
(part 2) This is apt to be a very long response but it is critical to present the truth accurately regardless of the writing length required. If you have no interest in this conversation, my apologies, and please skip over the next few pages. I'll answer these two questions by addressing providing a cursory overview of those doctrines which he finds repugnant. His first question was: 1) Has God predestined certain people for salvation & is your gospel limited to only those people? (continued)
For the benefit of ALL OTHERS (beyond Jack) reading these comments, @JackMWolfe has accuse me of many things on YouTube. He accuses me of being ashamed of my Lord, Savior and God, Jesus Christ for not answering the following two questions with a simple yes or no answer. These are his questions framed to suit his own agenda which is to make our Holy God appear to be evil or guilty of evil. He is deceived. (continued)
STILL waiting for you windbags to find the gonads to step up & explain how your deviant doctrines about Predestination, Sovereignty, Free Will, & Foreknowledge can be reconciled with Ex6:6-8 where God sent Moses to the 1st generation of Israelites with a promise He'd bring them into the Promised Land - but instead they all died in the desert. Calvinism is just an esoteric delusion, it has no basis in reality & it therefore can't be applied to practical situations - it's a fraud, a con game.
@1689Baptist "All those that came out of Egypt 20 and under went to the promise land."
Except for 2 who CHOSE to believe & obey God, the adults of the 1st generation who were given the promise all died in the desert. God had to wait until the NEXT generation to fulfill His intentions. Go back to sleep.
@1689Baptist "God had to wait" LOLOLOLOL ROFL LOLOLOL"
Still waiting for your exegesis explaining God's promise of deliverance & to bring them into the Land versus the fact that they instead died in the desert. Instead of doing what you usually do in the face of scriptural truth, cackling like an idiot, step up & help TheologyBoy - he's going to need it. Does their destruction harmonize with His telling Moses He had heard their groaning & He intended to deliver them from their bondage?
@JackMWolfe - Dare you call the Lord our God is a liar? Ex 6:6-8
- Wherefore say thou unto the CHILDREN OF ISRAEL
- I will bring “YOU” out from..." & I will bring “YOU’ into the land.
Did He do both for the “CHILDREN OF ISRAEL?”
Rom 9:7-8 "Neither are they all children, because they are the seed of Abraham: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called: That is, they which are the children of the flesh, are not the children of God: but the children of the promise, are counted for the seed."
@Theology The promise was given to the adults of the first generation of Israelites but only 2 who believed & obeyed Him actually went into the Land - all the others perished despite God's promise to bring them in. God isn't a liar - but YOUR unbiblical doctrines make Him into one. When are you going to wake up to the fact that they can't be defended? You spent 10 pages of useless rhetoric running from a simple yes or no question because you're too embarassed by them & the god they depict.
@JackMWolfe Let me copy it out of the KJV Bible for you. Exodus 6:6 (KJV) "Wherefore say unto the children of Israel, I am the LORD, and I will bring you out from under the burdens of the Egyptians, and I will rid you out of their bondage, and I will redeem you with a stretched out arm, and with great judgments:" Why did those who believed and obeyed enter into the land? Were they Children of the Promise? I spend 10 pages giving a thoughtful answer to a scoffer.
@JackMWolfe - Jack, why not just go online & buy yourself a copy of Calvin’s “Institutes of the Christian Religion.” A hardback copy is $15.00. At 1100 pages it’s not a quick read like a “Jack Chick” tract. You could learn about the God you slander & exchange your conceit for compunction. Or you could save yourself $15.00 and read your Bible for that is where you will find the "Institutes" taught. You would lose your traditions and your ears & eyes might open for the very first time.
@JackMWolfe I believe I would be hard pressed to find an atheist who hates the God of the Bible anymore than you.You are truly a fool who hates correction,you constantly parade your own opinion out as scripture,when nothing could be farther from the truth.Those 20 and under who saw God's miracles first hand,went into the Land, but what if God would have allowed all but 1,000 go in ,because they died of natural causes?Would you still be making this ignorant argument?
It's hard not to feel sorry for Calvinists as they struggle to defend the detestable god they try to elevate - it's like making excuses for a degenerate parent. They try to argue he represents love because, after all, he could have destroyed everyone but at least chose to save a few folks - whether they like it or not. It's like arguing that Charles Manson is loving by telling everyone to focus on all the millions of people he DIDN'T choose to kill. This has been a particularly pathetic display
@JackMWolfe You said / / "This has been a particularly pathetic display” / / I’ll agree. Your treatment of God, His attributes, the things of the Spirit of God, His Children, your scoffing, your comparison of Him to Satan, your ungodly analogies and comparisons, your conceit, ignorance, inability to exegete even the simplest verses, and your general overall behavior IS A PATHETIC DISPLAY. I would describe it as degenerate, unregenerate and not hidden from God. Take your freak show elsewhere.
@Theology This whole dog & pony show - long diatribes, personal attacks, frothing, arrogance, false accusations, belittling, etc was all a smokescreen to hide what Calvinism is all about. When Calvinism's thin veneer of fake orthodoxy is peeled aside what's left is a repugnant, unbiblical belief system that phonies like yourself can't even muster a yes or no answer to honestly defend. It was a shameful, but quite typical display of the dishonest nature of the system itself & of its adherents.
@JackMWolfe This whole dog & pony show - long diatribes, personal attacks, frothing, arrogance, false accusations, belittling, etc was all a smokescreen to hide what OPEN THEISM is all about. Have you been brave enough to come right out and admit to who you are yet?Why are you ashamed to come right out and admit your OPEN THEIST?
@CBALLEN LOL, just when the discussion centers on cowards, liars, & phonies - look who shows up! Earlier I challenged everyone here to apply their beliefs about Predestination, Sovereignty, Free Will, & Foreknowledge to Ex6:6-8 where God sent Moses to the 1st generation of Israelites with a promise He'd bring them into the Promised Land but instead they all died in the desert. You answered the challenge as always by running away - you're a bigger windbag & coward than even TheologyBoy.
@JackMWolfe What a coward you are,I'm proud to admit I believe in reformed theology,but you know you are a cult member.Wow Jack,aren't you glad to be a cult member?Come on coward,just tell everyone what you are,be brave for once in your life,just admit to everyone you're an OPEN THEIST!
@CBALLEN "You know cowards and liars will be in Hell,right?"
I know YOU certainly will since you can no longer repent now that your apostasy has reached the level of blaspheming the Spirit - everything else is forgiveable but not that particular sin. You'll continue exactly what you're doing until you're thrown into the Lake of Fire - opposing & changing God's word, preaching a condemned, limited gospel, & reviling the True God of heaven who offers salvation as a gift to ALL men.
@JackMWolfe Jack, you said, / / "your apostasy has reached the level of blaspheming the Spirit" / / Please share with us what you THINK blaspheming the Spirit is. I am really curious to hear you expound on that. Please no rant, just a sincere response to define what believe is blasphemy of the Holy Spirit. Thank you.
@Theology So your argument is that "the children of Israel" doesn't mean the descendants of Jacob - the promise was for the actual children not the adults? So Moses made a mistake & God didnt correct it? The adults told Moses "Let us alone; let us serve the Egyptians. It would be better for us to serve the Egyptians than to die in the wilderness (Ex14:12)" but God brought them out anyway, ordered them into the land but didn't really want them to go in, & He always intended to destroy them?
@JackMWolfe No Jack. This is not an argument. I simply quoted Rom 9:7-8 "Neither are they all children, because they are the seed of Abraham: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called: That is, they which are the children of the flesh, are not the children of God: but the children of the promise, are counted for the seed." I did this to show you that God is faithful in fulfilling his promises to His Children which are "children of the promise" explaining why others died in the wilderness.
@JackMWolfe Pay attention,everything that happens,from bugs having babies,to individual men's salvation,has ALL BEEN DETERMINED BY God,nothing is left out.So if it happens you can be SURE God determined for it to happen,EXACTLY how it happened and to who it happened to.
@TheologyChannel Thank You,Jack does not understand ,not all Israel is Israel. God brought HIS people into the promised land,and Jesus came to save His People.
@CBALLEN Amen, also not all Israel is Israel, I believe is Rom. 9:5 proves Rom.9 is not about nations (as some would suggest) it is about individual salvation and reprobation.
@Theology To recap: The promise was supposed to be for their children but Moses mistakenly gave the promise to the adults who feared they'd die in the wilderness & ironically - that's exactly what God planned for them. God forced their release, brought them to the Land, ordered them in but didn't really want them to obey, when they refused He destroyed them & then later brought their children in as planned. What about the 2 adults who DID go in - the promise wasn't for them, how did they get in?
@JackMWolfe You silly man,wanting to go back to Egypt constantly was a hint that those Israelites didn't want anything to do with the God of the Bible(even after all the miracles),meaning God had not converted them.Just because God brought them out of Egypt and into the desert to die doesn't prove a thing ,other than, they didn't obey and hear God,because they didn't belong to God,God was thinning out the herd.
@JackMWolfe - Did I say anything about adults? The "CHILDREN OF ISRAEL" as described in Ex 6:6-8 are the descendents of ISRAEL/ABRAHAM. Nor have I never said "mistake" (who brought up the word mistake?). I said God is faithful! Again, Rom 9:7-8 "Neither are they all children, because they are the seed of Abraham: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called: That is, they which are the children of the flesh, are not the children of God: but the children of the promise, are counted for the seed."
@JackMWolfe (continued) and in the end we see understand that the "CHILDREN OF ISRAEL" that God was refering to in Exodus 6:6-8 DID enter the promise land. THEY JUST WERE NOT THE SAME "CHILDREN OF ISRAEL" (which were not really God's Chosen people) which you concluded who entered the Promised Land. God is not a liar. He is faithful and we know He does all He says He will do for his good purpose and for His glory. We rejoice in that!
@JackMWolfe Jack, if you go to the website bible-explorer you can download a free bible software computer application and then you can add over 200 free Bibles, Commentaries, Dictionaries, and more. In that free 200 volume bundle there is the complete "Institutes of the Christian Religion" by John Calvin. Absolutely free for you to read, learn and understand what we are talking about when we are discussing the Doctrines of Grace. Great program, can't beat the price, FREE!
@Theology Thanks but I already know more about Calvinism than you do, & the fact that you couldn't even answer a simple yes or no question makes any reading material you recommend as uncompelling - & you're not doing any better with Ex6 either. So now you're claiming that God didn't send Moses to the physical descendants of Jacob with the promise of deliverance but was addressing a spiritual group that was to come later - the 1st batch were fleshly, not chosen by Him, & needed to be destroyed?
@JackMWolfe Not couldn't answer even a simple yes or no question but WOULDN'T answer the question as you framed it. You know this now because it is the third time I told you thus. I am not required to answer your questions in the manner in which you ask them. Jesus did not do that & nor will I. All I can do is point you in the right direction & when you know more about Calvinism than I & imply that you have nothing to learn from "Institutes of the Christian Religion" by John Calvin, well...
@JackMWolfe And, no that's not what I’ve said. You keep saying that I say things that I don't say. Exodus 6:6 Moses spoke just as the LORD commanded. The Lord kept His promise. He brought them out & He brought them in, in the exact manner He intended. His will, done perfectly. Were those who died in the wilderness vessels of mercy or vessels of wrath? Were those who entered into the Promise Land vessels of mercy or vessels of wrath? Which were Children of the Promise & W-H-Y were they?
@Theology 1st, the reason you refused to answer the questions is because they were framed to bring out the TRUTH about your beliefs - they stripped away the veneer of orthodoxy that Calvinists use to hide their grotesque, unbiblical doctrines. 2nd, it's the same evasive strategy you're now using with Ex6:6-8 - you cited Rom9:7-8 but have so far failed to show how it's the least bit relevant except to show everyone you have a concordance & found it when you searched for verses with "children"
1. No your questions were not framed with respect or a sincere desire to hear the truth (and I would not call God's doctrines grotesque or unbiblical, remember you M-U-S-T be accountable for your words)
2. I've not been evasive but very clear and up front with you and it's not I that have failed but you. You fail to hear and listen.
3. I never searched on the word "children" Rom 9:7-8 renders a contextual answer to Ex 6:8-9 the passage where you assert that God lies.
@Theology " the LORD commanded. The Lord kept His promise. He brought them out & He brought them in, in the exact manner He intended. His will, done perfectly"
So the Lord allowed them to think the promise of deliverance from bondage & to bring them into the Land was for THEM, & against their wishes to stay in Egypt for fear of dying in the wilderness He forced them out, commanded them to go in but didn't really want them to, & destroyed them - all according to His original plan for them?
@Theology 1st, there was nothing wrong with the way I framed the questions & if there was an inaccuracy in them you could have answered them with a simple "no" - instead you continue to deceitfully evade them. There's no reason not to provide a simple yes or no answer except that you're hiding from the truth. 1) Has God predestined certain people for salvation & is your gospel limited to only those people? 2) Does God therefore create the rest of mankind for destruction? Stop evading.
@JackMWolfe Get back on topic Jack, Exodus 6:8-9, the topic you brought up last night seemingly so concerned. Answer my questions Jack. Quid Pro Quo - [Latin quid prō quō : quid, something + prō, for + quō, ablative of quid, something.] That is to say "something for something" Jack.
@JackMWolfe "1) Has God predestined certain people for salvation" YES! To demonstrate His Glorious love! "is your gospel limited to only those people?" NO! We are to preach to all men for the salvation of the elect and the damnation of the reprobate(b/c we don't know who is who) "2) Does God therefore create the rest of mankind for destruction?" YES! To demonstrate His glorious wrath!
Now give me a yes or no answer, are you an open theist?
@1689Baptist He knows these answers. I provided them to him days ago. He keeps coming here when we ask him to act like a man (even if he finds it hard to do so) & speak up like a real mand would do & answer a question with honesty. It an integrity thing that makes godly men truthful, men of integrity, & not name calling scoffers like we are seeing here. Such is the sign of a unregenerate wounded spirit in despirate need of God (& in definate need to become the man inside that he is outside).
@Theology What a phony. Besides CBAllen you're the most gutless, evasive coward I've ever encountered on the internet - even calling yourself a Christian is blasphemous. The most remarkable thing is that you actually think you're saved despite preaching a condemned limited gospel, blaspheming God's character, changing His word, falsely accusing others of the very sins you practice, & wholesale lying, evasion, & deception. Your fruit demonstrates who you really follow & it's not the Holy Spirit
@JackMWolfe Jack you make our Lord and God look like some inept nanny trying to take care of disobedient children. This is the cream of your Arminian traditions? You’ve accused me of evasion yet it is you sir who is evading every question challenged him. You need to put on the breaks and start answering the questions PRESENTED TO YOU if you care to continue in this conversation.
@JackMWolfe 1 Pet 3:15 “But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts: and be ready always to give an answer to every man that asketh you a reason of the hope that is in you with meekness and fear:” Do you sanctify the Lord God in your heart by muttering profanely? Perhaps by calling me a phony, lacking gonands, one who practices, wholesale lying, evasion, & deception? Or by mocking, scoffing & blaspheming the Word of God? When you look in the bible, it's a mirror exposing YOU, the ENEMY of God.
@JackMWolfe The Lord did as he said Jack. Are you calling Him a liar?
Exodus 6:6-8 "Wherefore say unto the children of Israel... "I will bring you out from under..." "I will redeem you..." "I will take you to me for a people", "I will be to you a God", I will bring you in unto the land..."
Did he do ALL these things for THE CHILDREN OF ISRAEL. 2 simple yes or no questions, Jack. Is God faithful? Did He lie?
You know, that free bible software is still available.
@Theology 2nd, God didn't lie to them, but YOUR doctrines proclaim that He did - He promised the FIRST generation to bring them into the Land but the inescapable fact is that they were instead destroyed. Your distorted views of God's sovereignty & denial of man's free will makes God into not only a liar but a vicious scheming murderer as well. Arminians have no problem with Ex6 because they know that God's promises are conditional, dependent on man's obedience. God was faithful, they weren't.
@JackMWolfe / / You said, "He promised the FIRST generation" / / Where does it say the promise was specifically extended to them? Where Jack? I as again, are you calling God a liar? He said according to "Wherefore say unto the children of Israel" now I do not read that insisting that the promise would be for a particular generation BUT FOR "the children of Israel" You = "the children of Israel" regardless of the generation you are trying to pin it to. FREE SOFTWARE JACK. GET IT! STUDY!
@Theology Laughable! You're claiming Moses was sent to them to say, "Accordingly, say to the Israelites, I am the Lord, & I will bring you out from under the burdens of the Egyptians, & I will free you from their bondage, & I will rescue you with an outstretched arm & by mighty acts of judgment. & I will take you to Me for a people, & I will be to you a God..." But the message wasn't actually meant for them? Well, they THOUGHT it was & God acted like it was until they disobeyed Him. Get real.
@JackMWolfe – Jack, I've spent considerable time with you and you mock me. I’ve extended an olive branch. You have trampled it under foot. I've pointed to available resources online (paid and free) that can answer all your questions intelligently and articulately in the privacy of your home but you rejected. Are you demonstrating Proverbs 17:16? Wherefore is there a price in the hand of a fool to get wisdom, seeing he hath no heart to it? Who gives man a new heart Jack? Ezekiel 36:26-27
@Theology Your doctrines mock you as does your own transparent deceitfulness & evasion - so do your vain attempts to appear scholarly by citing websites with bible software as if you actually understood anything about the bible - you don't. Your pathetic evasions & unsubstantive answers betray your abject ignorance.
@JackMWolfe You said, "Your doctrines mock you as does your own transparent deceitfulness & evasion - so do your vain attempts to appear scholarly by citing websites with bible software as if you actually understood anything about the bible - you don't. Your pathetic evasions & unsubstantive answers betray your abject ignorance."
This is nothing but empty words that prove absolutely NOTHING
@JackMWolfe Tell me yes or no do you hold to open theism? Watch this, I am a Calvinist, see how easy that was, I have nothing to be ashamed of, so common admit what you are.
@1689Baptist Jack's M.O. is to frame questions in a manner to make Calvinists & Reformers seem like monsters and I refused to play his game. Professionally, I meet with 5,000 people yearly and a large part of my profession is fact-finding (asking questions) so I fully understand his antics. Each time the Word of God is presented to him, he angrily resorts to accusations, scoffing, mocking, & spreading lies about the brethren. He truly has a rude awakening on his appointed day. Sad, sad, sad.
To any who may view this as mere arguing, please understand that we are instructed to contend earnestly for the faith (Jude 1:3). We proclaim, John 3:17-18 “For God sent not his Son into the world, that he should condemn the world, but that the world through him might be saved. He that believeth in Him, is not condemned: but he that believeth not, is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the Name of that only begotten Son of God.” We are saved by God’s grace alone for His glory.
@Theology Your usual diatribe filled with ignorance, shallow invectives, & out of context verses.ALL of God's covenants are conditional - they must be appropriated by faith & obedience. God indeed gives grace & grants repentance FIRST, but man must choose to respond to it. Some verses you cite even contain direct refutations - Jn14:23 shows that keeping His word is a matter of one's CHOICE, men are made into vessels of wrath or mercy depending on their free will response to God's call to repent.
@JackMWolfe - Wrong Jackal! The new covenant is effectual because of our obedience, i.e. another name for works. Obedience as you describe it is a works-based-process and is not of God. Obedience as God defines it is a gift of God, given when He, God, saves you. He said in Ezekiel 36:27 "And I will put my Spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes and be careful to obey my rules." HE WILL CAUSE US eliminating the works-righteousness salvation heresy that you preach. (continued)
@TheologyChannel God bless you for dealing with this idiot, it takes a lot of restraint to keep from saying something to him I shouldn't. People like him bring out a holy anger in me that all I can say is they need to be thankful I am not God. Atheists are closer to God then he is.
@1689Baptist Atheists DO appear to have more hope than Jack. Prov 26:12 "Seest thou a man wise in his own conceit? there is more hope of a fool than of him." Who is a fool? It's is the atheist. Psalms 53:1 "The fool has said in his heart, "There is no God" Who is wise in his own conceit? @JackMWolfe is wise in his own conceit (i.e., wise in his own eyes) therefore you are correct. According to the Word of God, there's more hope for an Atheist than @JackMWolfe.
@1689Baptist Yes, atheists "DO" appear to have more hope than @JackMWolfe. Prov 26:12 teaches "Seest thou a man wise in his own conceit? there is more hope of a fool than of him." Who is a fool? It's is the atheist. Psalms 53:1 "The fool has said in his heart, "There is no God" Who is wise in his own conceit? @JackMWolfe is wise in his own conceit (i.e., wise in his own eyes) therefore you are correct. According to the Word of God, there's more hope for an Atheist than @JackMWolfe.
@JackMWolfe (continued - 2) HE DID NOT SAY, “Here is my Spirit should you desire to put it inside yourself.” He said that HE WOULD CAUSE and not man will of his own obey his rules or walk in His statutes. For all your hot air, you know little to nothing about physical birth or the new-birth and how the two are tied together in that neither requires consent of the one being born. (continued)
@JackMWolfe (continued - 3) You know little to nothing about creation. To bring “something in existence from nothing” the power of God Only! For example to create Spiritual life where there was none in and of itself. And you must know little to nothing about artistic creation in real life or as spoken of our Lord being the Potter. In real life clay vessels do not make decisions, choose how to look or direct the Potter’s intent. (continued)
@JackMWolfe (continued - 4) The vessel belongs to the potter to do with as he/she wishes. It is the same with the Lord. That you cannot see even the simplest of visual object lessons in the bible does not bode well for you. God has appointed a day for you and the seconds, minutes, hours, and days are moving you closer to your appointment with Him. Repent and believe the Gospel of Jesus Christ Jack. (continued)
@Theology More unbiblical gibberish. Obedience isn't a "work", it's a decision in the heart to obey God, who convicts ALL men of their sin - those who submit to that conviction & CHOOSE to repent are then given to Christ for regeneration. And "causing" someone to walk in His statutes isn't the same as "forcing" them to do so - man's cooperation is required throughout the ENTIRE salvation process from start to finish. Man can & does many times resist the Spirit even to the point of grieving Him.
@JackMWolfe An unregenerate heart CANNOT OBEY. STILL DON'T GET IT? What do you see when you read Eze 36:26-27 Jack? Who gives man a NEW HEART and NEW SPIRIT and WHY??? "And I will give you a new heart, and a new spirit I will put within you. And I will remove the heart of stone from your flesh and give you a heart of flesh." And I will put my Spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes and be careful to obey my rules." A decision to OBEY in an unregenerate heart? Complete HERESY!
@JackMWolfe Men choose to repent? Not apart from God! Never! Or do you deny 2 Timothy 2:25 out too? "...if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth” Now WHO is GRANTING who repentance and for what purpose? God, F-I-R-S-T grants (Monergism). One more time quoting His word in CAPS so you may see, "...IF GOD PERADVENTURE WILL GIVE THEM REPENTANCE TO THE ACKNOWLEDGING OF THE TRUTH" Keep reading, WHO has taken CAPTIVE your "free-will" man TO DO HIS WILL?
@JackMWolfe Jack have you ever read the bible contextually? Cause, "ʿāśâ, pronounced aw-saw, to "make" … and… Resist or reject the Spirit? Acts 6:10 "But they were not able to resist the wisdom, and the Spirit by the which he spake." Why were they NOT ABLE? What happened to their free will? Those who reject Gospel of Jesus Christ do so because they are not Children of the promise. They're held captive to do the will of their father the devil. IN BONDAGE JACK. IN BONDAGE TO SIN.
@Theology 1st, the Ninevites CHOSE to believe God & to repent by an act of their own free will - God didn't regenerate them 1st. Fallen man is completely capable of understanding God's message of repentance - God gives grace & grants repentance to ALL men in His own time but they can still choose to reject it. 2nd, once AGAIN: ALL God's promises & covenants are conditional, they can only be grasped by faith & obedience - man can choose to resist & reject them. This is true THROUGHOUT the bible
@1689Baptist Jack agrees with some other wicked man,"if you repeat a lie long enough and loud enough,people will believe it,and better a big lie than a small one".
@Theology LOL, I haven't tip-toed one bit thru your little garden of lies - I've driven a bible bull dozer over them. Normally I warn apostates like yourself about the consequences of misleading someone, but in your case you're so inept there's not much chance of that happening - you're only a danger to yourself. And despite all your denials of free will, you demonstrate its existence every time you post another asinine tirade. Who else is responsible for your unbiblical gibberish? God?
@JackMWolfe May I suggest an anger management class Jack. The vitriol in your posts is rising indicating your dependence on vulgarity and anger. Proverbs 22:24-25 teaches those who have understanding to "Make no friendship with an angry man; and with a furious man thou shalt not go: Lest thou learn his ways, and get a snare to thy soul." You're a snare to souls Jack. Repent and Believe the Gospel Jack.
@Theology LOL, I suggest YOU see a professional about the projection of your own faults on others - it's YOU that's been frothing at the mouth & promoting an unbiblical gospel. Your violent opposition to the truth is only exceeded by your arrogance & dishonesty eg, after claiming to be unapologetic about your doctrines you refused to simply confirm that you believe - 1)Your gospel is limited to those God has preselected for salvation & 2) the rest of mankind has been created for destruction.
@JackMWolfe Not that you have credibility, but all any need do is scroll back to see what I believe. I am not ashamed of God. I believe John 3:17-18 verbatim and I even spelled it out. That disturbs you for some reason. You do not know how to distinguish the Gospel of Jesus Christ from the "how and why" we have received that Grace. As for frothing at the mouth, Really? An unbiblical Gospel, Really? Violent Opposition, Really? Arrogant and dishonest, Really? We've been down this road Jack.
@Theology Yes, really - frothing, promoting an unbiblical LIMITED gospel, dishonesty, arrogance, etc. And for the FIFTH time now - you claim to be "unapologetic" about your doctrines & gospel but you continue to evade answering 2 VERY simple questions about them with a yes or no answer - 1)Your gospel is limited to those God has preselected for salvation, yes or no? & 2) the rest of mankind has been created for destruction, yes or no? No diatribes, just simple yes or no answers.
@JackMWolfe Jack, scroll back for my answers to you or select "see all" and use your browser find function ctrl + “f” on Windows platforms, put in your own assertions, 1 & 2 that is, and search using the "next" button and you will see I have answered both of your very simple questions more than once (and you should already know this because you afterward accused me of being evasive in my approach to the Gospel for the manner in which I already answered you). Perhaps you have forgotten?
@JackMWolfe Jack, do you have no compunction about lying or just have limited reading comprehension? Quoting you verbatim, you said "And for the FIFTH time now - you claim to be "unapologetic" about your doctrines & gospel." I never said that! What I DID SAY one (1) time only as far as I can see in checking my comments is, "I’m unapologetic about my God. To be otherwise is to deny God before men." Now who is REALLY guilty of employing (inaccurate) verbal attacks, what you call "diatribes"?
@JackMWolfe But just for the record, I am unapologetic for the"Five Solas or the Doctrines of Grace and why would I ever be ashamed of the Gospel of Jesus Christ? I believe and affirm 1 Timothy 4:10 "For to this end we toil and strive, because we have our hope set on the living God, who is the Savior of all people, especially of those who believe." Now may God grant you eyes to see and ears to hear.
@Theology 1st, the 2 questions I asked are specifically related to the character of the God you claim to be "unapologetic" about - your continued evasion demonstrates you're lying, & instead you're ashamed. 2nd, I specifically asked for a simple yes or no answer & NOT another diatribe, which are also nothing more than evasions. So for the SIXTH time:1) Is your gospel limited to those God has preselected for salvation. Yes or No? 2) Is the rest of mankind created for destruction. Yes or No?
@JackMWolfe Jack, Am I casting pearls before a lying swine? I’ve graciously directed you to my answers just last night. I even told you how to use the search function on a PC computer to do so. Do not dictate to me how I am to answer your questions. I do not affirm your heresies nor do I believe in the conclusions of which your narrow-minded and conceit has you convinced. You're held captive in error and sin. You continue to rant and curse God and treat his flock with contempt. Shameful!
@Theology More hypocrisy, evasion, & false accusations. My 2 simple questions are DIRECTLY related to your claim that you're "unapologetic" about the god you promote- they deal with the doctrines that define his character. You avoid answering them plainly with a simple yes or no because you're ashamed of not only your doctrines but your "god". Again: 1) Is your gospel limited to those God has preselected for salvation. Yes or No? 2) Is the rest of mankind created for destruction. Yes or No?
@JackMWolfe Let's get back to an answer regarding your lies (remember below) . Did you lie Jack? Did you accuse me of saying something that I didn't say? Don't talk about evasion when you are the very one covering your sin. John 3:19-21 "And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. "For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved." Well?
@Theology Your false accusation has already been answered - your claim to be "unapologetic" about the god you promote is directly tied to the 2 questions I asked about the doctrines which define his character, so there's no lie whatsoever involved except YOUR OWN by refusing to answer them - evasion is a form of lying. So, for the 8th time now - 1) Is your gospel limited to those God has preselected for salvation. Yes or No? 2) Is the rest of mankind created for destruction. Yes or No?
@Theology "Pr21:16 A man that wandereth out of the way of wisdom, shall remain in the congregation of the dead. - Pr19:5 A false witness shall not be unpunished: and he that speaketh lies, shall not escape."
Yes, those verses & many others apply to you but I didn't have room to post them. Now for the 9th time, stop evading the truth - 1) Is your gospel limited to those God has preselected for salvation. Yes or No? 2) Is the rest of mankind created for destruction. Yes or No?
@JackMWolfe Jack, I have spent much time commenting and responding to you because I want you to know the truth. At first I had no reason to doubt your faith in Christ. Now, this far in the conversation, I am left to question just who you are, your intent, and your spiritual condition. This is a conversation about truth and should be glorifying to our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. I am not interested in arguing for the sake of arguing but that you may come to the knowledge of the truth.
@Theology That sounded very sincere but I really just want you to answer the 2 questions about the nature & character of the so-called god you promote & which you claim to proudly endorse "unapologetically"
1) Has God preselected certain people for salvation & is your gospel limited to only those people? Yes or No? 2) Does God therefore create the rest of mankind for destruction? Yes or No? So far, you've only shown a desire to distance youself from him & not to support him at all. Why?
@JackMWolfe Jack, I answered your question yesterday. Stop playing games. Stop the deceit. Respect His Word and glorify the God you profess to know. If you really wanted to educate yourself regarding Reformed Theology and Calvinism, you would not have "framed" your 2 questions as you have. Do you remember how I answered you yesterday? Nothing has changed over the last 24 hours Jack except that we are BOTH 24 hours closer to meeting our God. Are you ready? Make sure you are ready.
@Theology You never answered my simple yes or no questions with a yes or no response & there's NOTHING wrong with the way I "framed" them - if there was you could have answered them with a simple "no" but instead you continue to deceitfully evade them - YOU"RE the one playing games here. Again - 1) Has God preselected certain people for salvation & is your gospel limited to only those people? Yes or No? 2) Does God therefore create the rest of mankind for destruction? Yes or No?
@JackMWolfe Jack you treat eternal matters carelessly and recklessly. 1. It is NOT MY GOSPEL. It is the Gospel of Jesus Christ. I don't save sinners. Jesus Christ saves sinners. That is wonderful news. Has God preselected? Where did you find the word “preselected” in the bible? I dont see preselect, preselects or preselected in any of the 30 versions of the bible currently available to me.. God “creates” man for His Always Perfect Purpose. (continued)
@Theology So to be clear - your answer to question #1 is "no" God doesn't PRESELECT anyone for salvation but "yes" He does PREDESTINE them for salvation & that THE gospel (aka YOUR gospel) is limited to only those particular people, right? And your answer to question #2 is that "yes" He creates the rest of mankind only for the purpose of destroying them, right? Why do you have such a problem answering with a simple yes or no? It appears you're trying to make excuses & are ashamed of your God.
@JackMWolfe Using your words now Jack, "So to be clear" Do you deny Eph. 2:10 Prov. 16:4 “and Rom 8:29-30? You appear to have a problem affirming the Word of God. Attacking me does not glorify God. It only builds your conceit and stores up wrath. Have I made the point clear? Have I accused you of being ashamed of God? No. I am not at all certain that you know Him though as displayed by your disobedience to His Word.
@Theology I don't deny any scriptures, what I reject is Calvinism's distortions of them which portray God as something He's not. Unlike your reluctance to support your counterfeit, I'm not the least bit ashamed of the God who has provided salvation for ALL men thru Christ's substitutionary sacrifice & Who offers it as a GIFT to ALL of them not desiring that ANY perish. The question is why YOU'RE so reluctant to support your heretical doctrines, false gospel, & vile "god" by a simple yes or no?
@JackMWolfe Jack your contentious nature adds insult to your injurious handling of the bible. If you were to go back to “square one” to study English Grammar it couldn't hurt. Also if you were to study the historical structure of the English Language (with emphasis on Elizabethan Middle English period) that might help. Purchase a copy of the Oxford Dictionary of the English Language (you don't need all 20 volumes but . . . Perhaps a Strong’s Concordance and a Greek Interlinear. Hmm.
@Theology So for the 12th time just answer 2 very simple questions with a simple yes or no - 1) Has God preselected (or predestined) certain people for salvation & is your gospel limited to only those people? Yes or No? 2) Has God therefore created the rest of mankind only for destruction? Yes or No? If you're truly "unapologetic" about your doctrines & the nature & character of your "god" this shouldn't be such a hard job. Do you have any idea why you've had such difficulty answering?
@JackMWolfe / / Do you have any idea why you've had such difficulty answering? / / I certainly do! I don't like repeating myself to people like you who disrespect of the brethren and scoff at the God they profess to know. When you display conceit and deceit, I have to tell you that I am not motivated to play by your rules. Perhaps a course on interpersonal communications or humility may be another valuable addition to your “list-of-things-to-do” before you die and bow before our Lord.
@Theology With all those dictionaries, concordances, & interlinears it seems like you should be able to answer 2 questions that a 4th grader could easily handle. I think your god is getting a little edgy about your committment & "unapologetic" support. Multiple choice this time -1) Has God preselected (or predestined) certain people for salvation & is your gospel limited to only those people? Yes__ No__ 2) Has God therefore created the rest of mankind only for destruction? Yes__ No__.
@JackMWolfe (continuation) Now I do read, Romans 8:29-30 “For those which he knew before, he also predestinated to be made like to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren. Moreover, whom he predestinated, them also he called, and whom he called, them also he justified, and whom he justified, them he also glorified. “ (continued)
@JackMWolfe (continuation) 2. God creates us for A). 2:10 “Ephesians 2:10 For we are his workmanship created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath ordained, that we should walk in them.”
and for B). Proverbs 16:4 “The Lord hath made all things for his own sake: yea, even the wicked for the day of evil.”
@JackMWolfe Jack you claim to be a 45 years old and a Christian. Now grow up and act 45 years old and show us that you are Christian. A 45 year old godly person does not typically: accuse brethren, make a practice of lying, handle God's Word recklessly, speak blasphemy of the God he/she professes to know, jump to conclusions about others, use profane language, lack control over his/her spirit, mock and scoff, evade questions, cover their sin, act conceited...Show me you are who you profess.
@JackMWolfe "LOL, I haven't tip-toed one bit thru your little garden of lies - I've driven a bible bull dozer over them" LOLOLOLOLROFL In what universe did this happen? LOLOL
@1689Baptist You're delusional. Dealing with Calvinists is merely like herding greased pigs, & whenever one raises his blasphemous snout out of the mud, whacking it with the appropriate bible verse. The herd’s main qualities are deception & cowardice - TheologyChannel’s flight from 2 simple questions that expose his hypocrisy & the true character of the “god” he promotes is a good example. Your flight from Heb10:30 invoking God to sit in judgment of the REAL liar & blasphemer here, is another.
@JackMWolfe Answer regarding your lies Jack! I am not allowing you to get off by changing the subject, ranting, accusing or speaking more lies. Answer regarding your lies Jack! You keep mocking, showing everyone who you are and storing up wrath. Your appointment with God has not been cancelled. Professions are a dime a dozen Jack. Your mouth exposes your heart and soul. Answer regarding your lies Jack!
@TheologyChannel What a phony. How many times now have you evaded Rom11:32? Keep your lectures about "maturity" & your pretentious prayers for yourself - you'll need them where you're going. You stand convicted & condemned RIGHT NOW for preaching a false gospel according to Gal1:7-9, for blaspheming God's character by denying Rom11:32, & also for changing inclusive words like "all" in such verses. Your only lord is Satan himself & like him you're a depraved liar & false accuser. Pathetic.
@JackMWolfe Rom 11:32 For God hath concluded them all in unbelief,.... Both Jews and Gentiles, particularly God's elect among them, ...that he might have mercy upon all: not upon all the individuals of Jews and Gentiles; for all are not concluded in, or convinced of the sin of unbelief, but only such who are eventually believers,
@1689Baptist Yes, John "loony toons" Gill is another apostate who flagrantly adds & subtracts from God's word with reckless, psychotic abandon - and will likewise be held accountable for everyone he confuses & leads to destruction. His attempt to twist Rom11:32 into an unrecognizable pretzel doesn't even make grammatical or logical sense much less have any theological significance - it's unbiblical gibberish.
@JackMWolfe - 2 Tim 2:24-26 teaches us and extend patience, and gentleness to those in opposition therefore I will with you. Let’s begin. As so many have already told you JackMWolfe, exegeting the bible (for contextual understanding) keeps one from “cherry picking” verses so as to not build upon unscriptural man-made traditions and to not impose a personal bias on God's Holy Word. We are commanded to rightly divide the word of truth." (Continued).
@JackMWolfe - (Continuation) To understand Romans11:32 contextually begin reading at verse eleven. This passage perfectly describes God’s Righteousness in His Plan for Jews and Gentiles. It is not only a recurring theme in Romans but throughout the New Testament. In Romans11:32 the word “ALL” here refers to Jews and Gentiles (all without differentiation or distinction, not all without exception). (continued)
@JackMWolfe - (Continuation) The Jews and Gentiles failure to obey and their sin are spotlighted to stress God’s mercy in saving some amongst both Jews and Gentiles. “ALL” does not refer to all who ever lived or will live. The verse doesn’t support that understanding, nor does the passage of the text, nor does the whole of scripture. Again, the word “All” is defined as "all kinds of people." (continued)
@JackMWolfe - (Continuation) In the context of Romans, and especially this Chapter eleven, ALL refers to the inclusion of Gentiles along side of the Jews but doesn't assert everyone in the world (nor any who are not amongst the children of the promise, Romans 9:8). OK JackMWolfe, that was a cursory exegesis of Romans11:32. Would you like me to exegete Galatians 1:7-9 (AGAIN)?
@JackMWolfe - Jack, if you were to face the Lord this evening would you hear, “Well done thou good and faithful servant” or “Depart from me, you worker of iniquity?”
2nd, Rev3:4-5 says there are only A FEW in Sardis who have "not soiled their clothes" & will therefore walk with Christ in white - but the rest are being warned their names will be erased from the Book of Life unless they repent of their apostasy. This warning also applies to YOU as you're more guilty than they were ie, you preach a false gospel & even blaspheme God's character. The question is, as verse 6 asks - Are you able to hear what the Holy Spirit says? Or will your name be removed too?
@1689Baptist 1st, Eph4:24-25 says, "Put on the new nature created in God's image, in true righteousness & holiness. Therefore rejecting ALL falsity & being done now with it, let everyone express THE TRUTH with his neighbor" So I'm not being "stupid" but BIBLICAL about you presenting a gospel to others which you don't really believe. You're obligated to tell everyone UPFRONT about your cultic, unorthodox gospel & beliefs, not deceptively hide them so potential victims won't be warned & get away.
I obviously DO know the bible & that's why I can point to the literally HUNDREDS of verses that directly contradict your Satanic belief system. Calvinist's claim to love God & His word but their false professions are exposed by all the changes & re-definitions of terms they employ to foster their errors. Your hatred of the bible is manifested in some way every time I quote a verse - you run from the truth like a frightened squirrel. Truly pathetic.
@JackMWolfe THERE ARE NO VERSES THAT CONTRADICT CALVINISM!!! You cannot blindside me with some scripture I have not considered, you have NO adequate explanation for the Calvinistic verses therefore you have a Bible full of contradictions.
@1689Baptist "THERE ARE NO VERSES THAT CONTRADICT CALVINISM!!!"
A few: Lk7:30 says God desired the Pharisees to repent & be saved but they REJECTED His will for themselves. Rev3:5 is a warning that apostates (like you) will be REMOVED from the Book of Life if they persist. The failure of God's promise in Ex6:6-8 to bring the 1st generation of Israelites into the Land demonstrates that salvation is conditional & synergistic. All these are DIRECT refutations of Calvin's heretical belief system.
Nothing new -it's ALWAYS your answer in the face of all the verses that directly & completely refute your falsehoods. It's exactly what I first said - you hate God & His word despite all your pretensions to the contary. When you're refuted you simply laugh it off & continue on in your self-deception & your endeavor to lead others down the same path of destruction you're on. When you're finally destroyed, you'll have NO ONE to blame but yourself.
@Fleas Paul's gospel is found in Acts17:29-30 & it's for ALL PEOPLE EVERYWHERE. Paul says in Gal1:7-9 that those who preach a different gospel, such as YOURS ("Repent, for Christ MIGHT have died for you") are under an eternal curse. And John says in 2Jn1:11 NOT to wish anyone encouragement who preaches false doctrines contradictory to his, therefore my only prayer for you is that your deceptive & lying mouth be silenced & that no one will be led astray into the same destruction awaiting you.
@JackMWolfe YOU DEVIL Acts17:29-30 is not the Gospel. This is the Gospel, Paul preached 1Co 15:1 Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you....
1Co 15:2 By which also ye are saved...
1Co 15:3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;
1Co 15:4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:
@1689Baptist I Greece,the theory of evolution had already been borrowed from the Hindus,many believed man got his start in the oceans and started as a primitive thing.This was Paul's reason,at least in part,for telling them they were all created by God,however,this was not Paul telling them they were all His sons.Acts 17:31
@1689Baptist The portion of the gospel Paul focused on in Acts17 that's applicable to the demonic heresy that YOU promote is the fact that ALL men are children of God not just a few of them (vs29, "Since then we are God's offspring..") & that God calls ALL MEN EVERYWHERE to repentance (vs30). The fallacioius attempt by Calvinists to discount similar verses about salvation & the gospel because they're written to believers is DIRECTLY refuted by Acts17 - it was spoken entirely to PAGANS.
@JackMWolfe What ignorance engulfs you! That statment is NOT part of the Gospel, IT IS IMPOSSIBLE FOR YOU TO BE SAVED B/C YOU DON'T KNOW THE GOSPEL!!!!! YOU WILL SPLIT HELL WIDE OPEN!!!!!
@Fleas Actually, you ALMOST have it right - no one wants to be saved, no one seeks God not even one, they have all turned aside to their own way. But God doesn't leave ANY of them in that hopeless situation - He has supplied a way back to Himself thru Christ, He convicts them ALL of sin & their need for a Savior, calls them ALL to repentance, & those who CHOOSE to repent are then given to Christ for regeneration. THAT'S the TRUE gospel - your Calvinist gospel is limited & condemned by Gal1:7-9
@JackMWolfe Umm! You said, "you ALMOST have it right - no one wants to be saved, no one seeks God not even one, He has supplied a way back to Himself thru Christ, He convicts them ALL of sin & their need for a Savior & those who CHOOSE to repent are then given to Christ for regeneration." No one wants to be saved or seeks God, but those that choose Christ? You can't choose something you do not want, all conviction does is make angry sinners.
Romans 12:3 ~ as God has allotted to each a measure of faith. The "each" is refering to those in Christ, in the body.
joespell 11 months ago
My Sunday school teacher got banned from Calvary Baptist Church in Lake Park Georgia by the pastor, because he was teaching the Bible. Many people are being deceived and when a man came to teach truth he was attacked by the pastor.
I am thankful that God has men like this who will preach the truth even when they are attacked by "religious leaders".
poachin41 1 year ago
(part 8) Evangelism is actually lifted up in this doctrine, for the evangelist may tell his congregation that Christ died for sinners, and that he will not lose any of those for whom he died! Again, thank you all for your patience. @JackMWolfe, I think we are just about done until you grow up.
TheologyChannel 1 year ago
@TheologyChannel I second everything you say and don't worry that he called you a liar,Jack is well known as an accuser of the Brethren.God Bless.
CBALLEN 1 year ago
@CBALLEN Thanks for the comment. I find it disconcerting to have conversations with people like Jack. They claim to be of the sheep, i.e., they believe in Jesus Christ, His Gospel, & precepts yet they couldn't be farther from biblical truth & their behavior adds insult, exposing the evil and putrid sinner within. In Jack's case, his revealed profile picture certainly is an ad for one who, like a wolf, hunts and devours others through his profane language and ferocious hate of the brethren.
TheologyChannel 1 year ago
@TheologyChannel Amen!
1689Baptist 1 year ago
@TheologyChannel Like all cults, definitions to common words used by Christians need to be established.Every cult defines words differently.So I guess that would help us all and save many arguments if we would get that out of the way first.God Bless.
CBALLEN 1 year ago
@CBALLEN The problem is getting them to define their terms, they want to dance around it like a frog in a hot skillet! LOL
1689Baptist 1 year ago
@1689Baptist They do seem to change the rules in midstream sometimes,don't they? Have you heard anything about Dwayne's congregation lately?I liked the part when He said,"after the 4 weeks,if you've been talking behind my back I'm coming to your door",that cracked me up.
CBALLEN 1 year ago
(part 7) Christ's death was not a death of POTENTIAL atonement for all people. Believing that Jesus' death was a potential, symbolic atonement for anyone who might possibly, in the future, accept him trivializes Christ's act of atonement. Christ died to atone for specific sins of specific sinners. Christ died to make holy the church. He did not atone for all men, because obviously all men are not saved. (continued.)
TheologyChannel 1 year ago
(part 6) Specifically, Christ died for the invisible Church -- the sum total of all those who would ever rightly bear the name "Christian" (Eph 5:25). Jack opposes this doctrine because he wrongly believes it does damage to evangelism and makes men helpless robots (he forgets about man’s responsibility and desire to sin). We have already seen that Christ will not lose any that the father has given to him (John 6:37). (continued.)
TheologyChannel 1 year ago
(part 5) His second questioned is, “2) Does God therefore create the rest of mankind for destruction?” It is aimed at Limited Atonement (the “L” in the TULIP acrostic). Limited Atonement is a doctrine offered in answer to the question, "for whose sins did Christ atone?" The Bible teaches that Christ died for those whom God gave him to save (John 17:9). Christ died, indeed, for many people, but not all (Matt 26:28). (continued.)
TheologyChannel 1 year ago
(part 4) He did this act before the foundations of the world (Eph 1:4-8). The elect are saved unto good works (Eph 2:10). Thus, though good works never bridge the gulf between man & God that was formed in the Fall, good works are a result of God's saving grace. This is what Peter means when he admonishes the Christian reader to make his "calling" & "election" sure (2 Pet 1:10). Bearing the fruit of good works is an indication that God has sown seeds of grace in fertile soil. (continued.)
TheologyChannel 1 year ago
(part 3) His first question is aimed at the doctrine of Unconditional Election (the “U” in the TULIP acrostic), i.e., God chose those whom he was pleased to bring to a knowledge of himself, not based upon any merit shown by the object of his grace & not based upon his looking forward to discover who would "accept" the offer of the gospel. God has elected, based solely upon the counsel of his own will, some for glory & others for damnation (Rom 9:15-21). (continued.)
TheologyChannel 1 year ago
(part 2) This is apt to be a very long response but it is critical to present the truth accurately regardless of the writing length required. If you have no interest in this conversation, my apologies, and please skip over the next few pages. I'll answer these two questions by addressing providing a cursory overview of those doctrines which he finds repugnant. His first question was: 1) Has God predestined certain people for salvation & is your gospel limited to only those people? (continued)
TheologyChannel 1 year ago
For the benefit of ALL OTHERS (beyond Jack) reading these comments, @JackMWolfe has accuse me of many things on YouTube. He accuses me of being ashamed of my Lord, Savior and God, Jesus Christ for not answering the following two questions with a simple yes or no answer. These are his questions framed to suit his own agenda which is to make our Holy God appear to be evil or guilty of evil. He is deceived. (continued)
TheologyChannel 1 year ago
@JackMWolfe "Go back to sleep" Sir this is my channel and I am sovereign of this channel your comment is deleted.
1689Baptist 1 year ago
STILL waiting for you windbags to find the gonads to step up & explain how your deviant doctrines about Predestination, Sovereignty, Free Will, & Foreknowledge can be reconciled with Ex6:6-8 where God sent Moses to the 1st generation of Israelites with a promise He'd bring them into the Promised Land - but instead they all died in the desert. Calvinism is just an esoteric delusion, it has no basis in reality & it therefore can't be applied to practical situations - it's a fraud, a con game.
JackMWolfe 1 year ago
@JackMWolfe "but instead they all died in the desert." All those that came out of Egypt 20 and under went to the promise land.
1689Baptist 1 year ago
@1689Baptist "All those that came out of Egypt 20 and under went to the promise land."
Except for 2 who CHOSE to believe & obey God, the adults of the 1st generation who were given the promise all died in the desert. God had to wait until the NEXT generation to fulfill His intentions. Go back to sleep.
JackMWolfe 1 year ago
@JackMWolfe "God had to wait" LOLOLOLOL ROFL LOLOLOL
1689Baptist 1 year ago
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JackMWolfe 1 year ago
@1689Baptist "God had to wait" LOLOLOLOL ROFL LOLOLOL"
Still waiting for your exegesis explaining God's promise of deliverance & to bring them into the Land versus the fact that they instead died in the desert. Instead of doing what you usually do in the face of scriptural truth, cackling like an idiot, step up & help TheologyBoy - he's going to need it. Does their destruction harmonize with His telling Moses He had heard their groaning & He intended to deliver them from their bondage?
JackMWolfe 1 year ago
@JackMWolfe who said choose??? They believed and obeyed God. Why? =0P
TheologyChannel 1 year ago
@JackMWolfe - Dare you call the Lord our God is a liar? Ex 6:6-8
- Wherefore say thou unto the CHILDREN OF ISRAEL
- I will bring “YOU” out from..." & I will bring “YOU’ into the land.
Did He do both for the “CHILDREN OF ISRAEL?”
Rom 9:7-8 "Neither are they all children, because they are the seed of Abraham: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called: That is, they which are the children of the flesh, are not the children of God: but the children of the promise, are counted for the seed."
TheologyChannel 1 year ago
@Theology The promise was given to the adults of the first generation of Israelites but only 2 who believed & obeyed Him actually went into the Land - all the others perished despite God's promise to bring them in. God isn't a liar - but YOUR unbiblical doctrines make Him into one. When are you going to wake up to the fact that they can't be defended? You spent 10 pages of useless rhetoric running from a simple yes or no question because you're too embarassed by them & the god they depict.
JackMWolfe 1 year ago
@JackMWolfe Let me copy it out of the KJV Bible for you. Exodus 6:6 (KJV) "Wherefore say unto the children of Israel, I am the LORD, and I will bring you out from under the burdens of the Egyptians, and I will rid you out of their bondage, and I will redeem you with a stretched out arm, and with great judgments:" Why did those who believed and obeyed enter into the land? Were they Children of the Promise? I spend 10 pages giving a thoughtful answer to a scoffer.
TheologyChannel 1 year ago
@JackMWolfe - Jack, why not just go online & buy yourself a copy of Calvin’s “Institutes of the Christian Religion.” A hardback copy is $15.00. At 1100 pages it’s not a quick read like a “Jack Chick” tract. You could learn about the God you slander & exchange your conceit for compunction. Or you could save yourself $15.00 and read your Bible for that is where you will find the "Institutes" taught. You would lose your traditions and your ears & eyes might open for the very first time.
TheologyChannel 1 year ago
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CBALLEN 1 year ago
@JackMWolfe I believe I would be hard pressed to find an atheist who hates the God of the Bible anymore than you.You are truly a fool who hates correction,you constantly parade your own opinion out as scripture,when nothing could be farther from the truth.Those 20 and under who saw God's miracles first hand,went into the Land, but what if God would have allowed all but 1,000 go in ,because they died of natural causes?Would you still be making this ignorant argument?
CBALLEN 1 year ago
It's hard not to feel sorry for Calvinists as they struggle to defend the detestable god they try to elevate - it's like making excuses for a degenerate parent. They try to argue he represents love because, after all, he could have destroyed everyone but at least chose to save a few folks - whether they like it or not. It's like arguing that Charles Manson is loving by telling everyone to focus on all the millions of people he DIDN'T choose to kill. This has been a particularly pathetic display
JackMWolfe 1 year ago
@JackMWolfe You said / / "This has been a particularly pathetic display” / / I’ll agree. Your treatment of God, His attributes, the things of the Spirit of God, His Children, your scoffing, your comparison of Him to Satan, your ungodly analogies and comparisons, your conceit, ignorance, inability to exegete even the simplest verses, and your general overall behavior IS A PATHETIC DISPLAY. I would describe it as degenerate, unregenerate and not hidden from God. Take your freak show elsewhere.
TheologyChannel 1 year ago
@Theology This whole dog & pony show - long diatribes, personal attacks, frothing, arrogance, false accusations, belittling, etc was all a smokescreen to hide what Calvinism is all about. When Calvinism's thin veneer of fake orthodoxy is peeled aside what's left is a repugnant, unbiblical belief system that phonies like yourself can't even muster a yes or no answer to honestly defend. It was a shameful, but quite typical display of the dishonest nature of the system itself & of its adherents.
JackMWolfe 1 year ago
@JackMWolfe This whole dog & pony show - long diatribes, personal attacks, frothing, arrogance, false accusations, belittling, etc was all a smokescreen to hide what OPEN THEISM is all about. Have you been brave enough to come right out and admit to who you are yet?Why are you ashamed to come right out and admit your OPEN THEIST?
CBALLEN 1 year ago
@CBALLEN LOL, just when the discussion centers on cowards, liars, & phonies - look who shows up! Earlier I challenged everyone here to apply their beliefs about Predestination, Sovereignty, Free Will, & Foreknowledge to Ex6:6-8 where God sent Moses to the 1st generation of Israelites with a promise He'd bring them into the Promised Land but instead they all died in the desert. You answered the challenge as always by running away - you're a bigger windbag & coward than even TheologyBoy.
JackMWolfe 1 year ago
@JackMWolfe What a coward you are,I'm proud to admit I believe in reformed theology,but you know you are a cult member.Wow Jack,aren't you glad to be a cult member?Come on coward,just tell everyone what you are,be brave for once in your life,just admit to everyone you're an OPEN THEIST!
CBALLEN 1 year ago
@JackMWolfe You know cowards and liars will be in Hell,right?
CBALLEN 1 year ago
@CBALLEN "You know cowards and liars will be in Hell,right?"
I know YOU certainly will since you can no longer repent now that your apostasy has reached the level of blaspheming the Spirit - everything else is forgiveable but not that particular sin. You'll continue exactly what you're doing until you're thrown into the Lake of Fire - opposing & changing God's word, preaching a condemned, limited gospel, & reviling the True God of heaven who offers salvation as a gift to ALL men.
JackMWolfe 1 year ago
@JackMWolfe Jack, you said, / / "your apostasy has reached the level of blaspheming the Spirit" / / Please share with us what you THINK blaspheming the Spirit is. I am really curious to hear you expound on that. Please no rant, just a sincere response to define what believe is blasphemy of the Holy Spirit. Thank you.
TheologyChannel 1 year ago
@Theology So your argument is that "the children of Israel" doesn't mean the descendants of Jacob - the promise was for the actual children not the adults? So Moses made a mistake & God didnt correct it? The adults told Moses "Let us alone; let us serve the Egyptians. It would be better for us to serve the Egyptians than to die in the wilderness (Ex14:12)" but God brought them out anyway, ordered them into the land but didn't really want them to go in, & He always intended to destroy them?
JackMWolfe 1 year ago
@JackMWolfe No Jack. This is not an argument. I simply quoted Rom 9:7-8 "Neither are they all children, because they are the seed of Abraham: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called: That is, they which are the children of the flesh, are not the children of God: but the children of the promise, are counted for the seed." I did this to show you that God is faithful in fulfilling his promises to His Children which are "children of the promise" explaining why others died in the wilderness.
TheologyChannel 1 year ago
@JackMWolfe Pay attention,everything that happens,from bugs having babies,to individual men's salvation,has ALL BEEN DETERMINED BY God,nothing is left out.So if it happens you can be SURE God determined for it to happen,EXACTLY how it happened and to who it happened to.
CBALLEN 1 year ago
@TheologyChannel Thank You,Jack does not understand ,not all Israel is Israel. God brought HIS people into the promised land,and Jesus came to save His People.
CBALLEN 1 year ago
@CBALLEN Amen, also not all Israel is Israel, I believe is Rom. 9:5 proves Rom.9 is not about nations (as some would suggest) it is about individual salvation and reprobation.
1689Baptist 1 year ago
@1689Baptist That's right.Israel was God's chosen people,but not all individuals were His chosen within Israel.
CBALLEN 1 year ago
@Theology To recap: The promise was supposed to be for their children but Moses mistakenly gave the promise to the adults who feared they'd die in the wilderness & ironically - that's exactly what God planned for them. God forced their release, brought them to the Land, ordered them in but didn't really want them to obey, when they refused He destroyed them & then later brought their children in as planned. What about the 2 adults who DID go in - the promise wasn't for them, how did they get in?
JackMWolfe 1 year ago
@JackMWolfe You silly man,wanting to go back to Egypt constantly was a hint that those Israelites didn't want anything to do with the God of the Bible(even after all the miracles),meaning God had not converted them.Just because God brought them out of Egypt and into the desert to die doesn't prove a thing ,other than, they didn't obey and hear God,because they didn't belong to God,God was thinning out the herd.
CBALLEN 1 year ago
@JackMWolfe - Did I say anything about adults? The "CHILDREN OF ISRAEL" as described in Ex 6:6-8 are the descendents of ISRAEL/ABRAHAM. Nor have I never said "mistake" (who brought up the word mistake?). I said God is faithful! Again, Rom 9:7-8 "Neither are they all children, because they are the seed of Abraham: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called: That is, they which are the children of the flesh, are not the children of God: but the children of the promise, are counted for the seed."
TheologyChannel 1 year ago
@JackMWolfe (continued) and in the end we see understand that the "CHILDREN OF ISRAEL" that God was refering to in Exodus 6:6-8 DID enter the promise land. THEY JUST WERE NOT THE SAME "CHILDREN OF ISRAEL" (which were not really God's Chosen people) which you concluded who entered the Promised Land. God is not a liar. He is faithful and we know He does all He says He will do for his good purpose and for His glory. We rejoice in that!
TheologyChannel 1 year ago
@JackMWolfe Jack, if you go to the website bible-explorer you can download a free bible software computer application and then you can add over 200 free Bibles, Commentaries, Dictionaries, and more. In that free 200 volume bundle there is the complete "Institutes of the Christian Religion" by John Calvin. Absolutely free for you to read, learn and understand what we are talking about when we are discussing the Doctrines of Grace. Great program, can't beat the price, FREE!
TheologyChannel 1 year ago
@Theology Thanks but I already know more about Calvinism than you do, & the fact that you couldn't even answer a simple yes or no question makes any reading material you recommend as uncompelling - & you're not doing any better with Ex6 either. So now you're claiming that God didn't send Moses to the physical descendants of Jacob with the promise of deliverance but was addressing a spiritual group that was to come later - the 1st batch were fleshly, not chosen by Him, & needed to be destroyed?
JackMWolfe 1 year ago
@JackMWolfe Not couldn't answer even a simple yes or no question but WOULDN'T answer the question as you framed it. You know this now because it is the third time I told you thus. I am not required to answer your questions in the manner in which you ask them. Jesus did not do that & nor will I. All I can do is point you in the right direction & when you know more about Calvinism than I & imply that you have nothing to learn from "Institutes of the Christian Religion" by John Calvin, well...
TheologyChannel 1 year ago
@JackMWolfe And, no that's not what I’ve said. You keep saying that I say things that I don't say. Exodus 6:6 Moses spoke just as the LORD commanded. The Lord kept His promise. He brought them out & He brought them in, in the exact manner He intended. His will, done perfectly. Were those who died in the wilderness vessels of mercy or vessels of wrath? Were those who entered into the Promise Land vessels of mercy or vessels of wrath? Which were Children of the Promise & W-H-Y were they?
TheologyChannel 1 year ago
@Theology 1st, the reason you refused to answer the questions is because they were framed to bring out the TRUTH about your beliefs - they stripped away the veneer of orthodoxy that Calvinists use to hide their grotesque, unbiblical doctrines. 2nd, it's the same evasive strategy you're now using with Ex6:6-8 - you cited Rom9:7-8 but have so far failed to show how it's the least bit relevant except to show everyone you have a concordance & found it when you searched for verses with "children"
JackMWolfe 1 year ago
@JackMWolfe
1. No your questions were not framed with respect or a sincere desire to hear the truth (and I would not call God's doctrines grotesque or unbiblical, remember you M-U-S-T be accountable for your words)
2. I've not been evasive but very clear and up front with you and it's not I that have failed but you. You fail to hear and listen.
3. I never searched on the word "children" Rom 9:7-8 renders a contextual answer to Ex 6:8-9 the passage where you assert that God lies.
TheologyChannel 1 year ago
@Theology " the LORD commanded. The Lord kept His promise. He brought them out & He brought them in, in the exact manner He intended. His will, done perfectly"
So the Lord allowed them to think the promise of deliverance from bondage & to bring them into the Land was for THEM, & against their wishes to stay in Egypt for fear of dying in the wilderness He forced them out, commanded them to go in but didn't really want them to, & destroyed them - all according to His original plan for them?
JackMWolfe 1 year ago
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TheologyChannel 1 year ago
@Theology 1st, there was nothing wrong with the way I framed the questions & if there was an inaccuracy in them you could have answered them with a simple "no" - instead you continue to deceitfully evade them. There's no reason not to provide a simple yes or no answer except that you're hiding from the truth. 1) Has God predestined certain people for salvation & is your gospel limited to only those people? 2) Does God therefore create the rest of mankind for destruction? Stop evading.
JackMWolfe 1 year ago
@JackMWolfe Get back on topic Jack, Exodus 6:8-9, the topic you brought up last night seemingly so concerned. Answer my questions Jack. Quid Pro Quo - [Latin quid prō quō : quid, something + prō, for + quō, ablative of quid, something.] That is to say "something for something" Jack.
TheologyChannel 1 year ago
@JackMWolfe "1) Has God predestined certain people for salvation" YES! To demonstrate His Glorious love! "is your gospel limited to only those people?" NO! We are to preach to all men for the salvation of the elect and the damnation of the reprobate(b/c we don't know who is who) "2) Does God therefore create the rest of mankind for destruction?" YES! To demonstrate His glorious wrath!
Now give me a yes or no answer, are you an open theist?
1689Baptist 1 year ago
@1689Baptist He knows these answers. I provided them to him days ago. He keeps coming here when we ask him to act like a man (even if he finds it hard to do so) & speak up like a real mand would do & answer a question with honesty. It an integrity thing that makes godly men truthful, men of integrity, & not name calling scoffers like we are seeing here. Such is the sign of a unregenerate wounded spirit in despirate need of God (& in definate need to become the man inside that he is outside).
TheologyChannel 1 year ago
@Theology What a phony. Besides CBAllen you're the most gutless, evasive coward I've ever encountered on the internet - even calling yourself a Christian is blasphemous. The most remarkable thing is that you actually think you're saved despite preaching a condemned limited gospel, blaspheming God's character, changing His word, falsely accusing others of the very sins you practice, & wholesale lying, evasion, & deception. Your fruit demonstrates who you really follow & it's not the Holy Spirit
JackMWolfe 1 year ago
@JackMWolfe Jack you make our Lord and God look like some inept nanny trying to take care of disobedient children. This is the cream of your Arminian traditions? You’ve accused me of evasion yet it is you sir who is evading every question challenged him. You need to put on the breaks and start answering the questions PRESENTED TO YOU if you care to continue in this conversation.
TheologyChannel 1 year ago
@JackMWolfe 1 Pet 3:15 “But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts: and be ready always to give an answer to every man that asketh you a reason of the hope that is in you with meekness and fear:” Do you sanctify the Lord God in your heart by muttering profanely? Perhaps by calling me a phony, lacking gonands, one who practices, wholesale lying, evasion, & deception? Or by mocking, scoffing & blaspheming the Word of God? When you look in the bible, it's a mirror exposing YOU, the ENEMY of God.
TheologyChannel 1 year ago
@TheologyChannel Yes, and I see Jack has not responded to my yes or no answer.
1689Baptist 1 year ago
@JackMWolfe The Lord did as he said Jack. Are you calling Him a liar?
Exodus 6:6-8 "Wherefore say unto the children of Israel... "I will bring you out from under..." "I will redeem you..." "I will take you to me for a people", "I will be to you a God", I will bring you in unto the land..."
Did he do ALL these things for THE CHILDREN OF ISRAEL. 2 simple yes or no questions, Jack. Is God faithful? Did He lie?
You know, that free bible software is still available.
FOR FREE JACK!
TheologyChannel 1 year ago
@Theology 2nd, God didn't lie to them, but YOUR doctrines proclaim that He did - He promised the FIRST generation to bring them into the Land but the inescapable fact is that they were instead destroyed. Your distorted views of God's sovereignty & denial of man's free will makes God into not only a liar but a vicious scheming murderer as well. Arminians have no problem with Ex6 because they know that God's promises are conditional, dependent on man's obedience. God was faithful, they weren't.
JackMWolfe 1 year ago
@JackMWolfe / / You said, "He promised the FIRST generation" / / Where does it say the promise was specifically extended to them? Where Jack? I as again, are you calling God a liar? He said according to "Wherefore say unto the children of Israel" now I do not read that insisting that the promise would be for a particular generation BUT FOR "the children of Israel" You = "the children of Israel" regardless of the generation you are trying to pin it to. FREE SOFTWARE JACK. GET IT! STUDY!
TheologyChannel 1 year ago
@Theology Laughable! You're claiming Moses was sent to them to say, "Accordingly, say to the Israelites, I am the Lord, & I will bring you out from under the burdens of the Egyptians, & I will free you from their bondage, & I will rescue you with an outstretched arm & by mighty acts of judgment. & I will take you to Me for a people, & I will be to you a God..." But the message wasn't actually meant for them? Well, they THOUGHT it was & God acted like it was until they disobeyed Him. Get real.
JackMWolfe 1 year ago
@TheologyChannel You are right, where does it say God promised each one by name?
1689Baptist 1 year ago
@JackMWolfe – Jack, I've spent considerable time with you and you mock me. I’ve extended an olive branch. You have trampled it under foot. I've pointed to available resources online (paid and free) that can answer all your questions intelligently and articulately in the privacy of your home but you rejected. Are you demonstrating Proverbs 17:16? Wherefore is there a price in the hand of a fool to get wisdom, seeing he hath no heart to it? Who gives man a new heart Jack? Ezekiel 36:26-27
TheologyChannel 1 year ago
@Theology Your doctrines mock you as does your own transparent deceitfulness & evasion - so do your vain attempts to appear scholarly by citing websites with bible software as if you actually understood anything about the bible - you don't. Your pathetic evasions & unsubstantive answers betray your abject ignorance.
JackMWolfe 1 year ago
@JackMWolfe You said, "Your doctrines mock you as does your own transparent deceitfulness & evasion - so do your vain attempts to appear scholarly by citing websites with bible software as if you actually understood anything about the bible - you don't. Your pathetic evasions & unsubstantive answers betray your abject ignorance."
This is nothing but empty words that prove absolutely NOTHING
1689Baptist 1 year ago
@JackMWolfe Tell me yes or no do you hold to open theism? Watch this, I am a Calvinist, see how easy that was, I have nothing to be ashamed of, so common admit what you are.
1689Baptist 1 year ago
@1689Baptist Jack's M.O. is to frame questions in a manner to make Calvinists & Reformers seem like monsters and I refused to play his game. Professionally, I meet with 5,000 people yearly and a large part of my profession is fact-finding (asking questions) so I fully understand his antics. Each time the Word of God is presented to him, he angrily resorts to accusations, scoffing, mocking, & spreading lies about the brethren. He truly has a rude awakening on his appointed day. Sad, sad, sad.
TheologyChannel 1 year ago
@TheologyChannel Yes it is very sad, if God does not have mercy he will split hell wide open.
1689Baptist 1 year ago
To any who may view this as mere arguing, please understand that we are instructed to contend earnestly for the faith (Jude 1:3). We proclaim, John 3:17-18 “For God sent not his Son into the world, that he should condemn the world, but that the world through him might be saved. He that believeth in Him, is not condemned: but he that believeth not, is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the Name of that only begotten Son of God.” We are saved by God’s grace alone for His glory.
TheologyChannel 1 year ago
@Theology Your usual diatribe filled with ignorance, shallow invectives, & out of context verses.ALL of God's covenants are conditional - they must be appropriated by faith & obedience. God indeed gives grace & grants repentance FIRST, but man must choose to respond to it. Some verses you cite even contain direct refutations - Jn14:23 shows that keeping His word is a matter of one's CHOICE, men are made into vessels of wrath or mercy depending on their free will response to God's call to repent.
JackMWolfe 1 year ago
@JackMWolfe - Wrong Jackal! The new covenant is effectual because of our obedience, i.e. another name for works. Obedience as you describe it is a works-based-process and is not of God. Obedience as God defines it is a gift of God, given when He, God, saves you. He said in Ezekiel 36:27 "And I will put my Spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes and be careful to obey my rules." HE WILL CAUSE US eliminating the works-righteousness salvation heresy that you preach. (continued)
TheologyChannel 1 year ago
@TheologyChannel - CORRECTION i meant to say that "The new covenant is N-O-T repeating N-O-T effectual because of our obedience"
TheologyChannel 1 year ago
@TheologyChannel God bless you for dealing with this idiot, it takes a lot of restraint to keep from saying something to him I shouldn't. People like him bring out a holy anger in me that all I can say is they need to be thankful I am not God. Atheists are closer to God then he is.
1689Baptist 1 year ago
@1689Baptist Atheists DO appear to have more hope than Jack. Prov 26:12 "Seest thou a man wise in his own conceit? there is more hope of a fool than of him." Who is a fool? It's is the atheist. Psalms 53:1 "The fool has said in his heart, "There is no God" Who is wise in his own conceit? @JackMWolfe is wise in his own conceit (i.e., wise in his own eyes) therefore you are correct. According to the Word of God, there's more hope for an Atheist than @JackMWolfe.
TheologyChannel 1 year ago
@1689Baptist Yes, atheists "DO" appear to have more hope than @JackMWolfe. Prov 26:12 teaches "Seest thou a man wise in his own conceit? there is more hope of a fool than of him." Who is a fool? It's is the atheist. Psalms 53:1 "The fool has said in his heart, "There is no God" Who is wise in his own conceit? @JackMWolfe is wise in his own conceit (i.e., wise in his own eyes) therefore you are correct. According to the Word of God, there's more hope for an Atheist than @JackMWolfe.
TheologyChannel 1 year ago
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TheologyChannel 1 year ago
@JackMWolfe (continued - 2) HE DID NOT SAY, “Here is my Spirit should you desire to put it inside yourself.” He said that HE WOULD CAUSE and not man will of his own obey his rules or walk in His statutes. For all your hot air, you know little to nothing about physical birth or the new-birth and how the two are tied together in that neither requires consent of the one being born. (continued)
TheologyChannel 1 year ago
@JackMWolfe (continued - 3) You know little to nothing about creation. To bring “something in existence from nothing” the power of God Only! For example to create Spiritual life where there was none in and of itself. And you must know little to nothing about artistic creation in real life or as spoken of our Lord being the Potter. In real life clay vessels do not make decisions, choose how to look or direct the Potter’s intent. (continued)
TheologyChannel 1 year ago
@JackMWolfe (continued - 4) The vessel belongs to the potter to do with as he/she wishes. It is the same with the Lord. That you cannot see even the simplest of visual object lessons in the bible does not bode well for you. God has appointed a day for you and the seconds, minutes, hours, and days are moving you closer to your appointment with Him. Repent and believe the Gospel of Jesus Christ Jack. (continued)
TheologyChannel 1 year ago
@Theology More unbiblical gibberish. Obedience isn't a "work", it's a decision in the heart to obey God, who convicts ALL men of their sin - those who submit to that conviction & CHOOSE to repent are then given to Christ for regeneration. And "causing" someone to walk in His statutes isn't the same as "forcing" them to do so - man's cooperation is required throughout the ENTIRE salvation process from start to finish. Man can & does many times resist the Spirit even to the point of grieving Him.
JackMWolfe 1 year ago
@JackMWolfe An unregenerate heart CANNOT OBEY. STILL DON'T GET IT? What do you see when you read Eze 36:26-27 Jack? Who gives man a NEW HEART and NEW SPIRIT and WHY??? "And I will give you a new heart, and a new spirit I will put within you. And I will remove the heart of stone from your flesh and give you a heart of flesh." And I will put my Spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes and be careful to obey my rules." A decision to OBEY in an unregenerate heart? Complete HERESY!
TheologyChannel 1 year ago
@JackMWolfe Men choose to repent? Not apart from God! Never! Or do you deny 2 Timothy 2:25 out too? "...if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth” Now WHO is GRANTING who repentance and for what purpose? God, F-I-R-S-T grants (Monergism). One more time quoting His word in CAPS so you may see, "...IF GOD PERADVENTURE WILL GIVE THEM REPENTANCE TO THE ACKNOWLEDGING OF THE TRUTH" Keep reading, WHO has taken CAPTIVE your "free-will" man TO DO HIS WILL?
TheologyChannel 1 year ago
@JackMWolfe Jack have you ever read the bible contextually? Cause, "ʿāśâ, pronounced aw-saw, to "make" … and… Resist or reject the Spirit? Acts 6:10 "But they were not able to resist the wisdom, and the Spirit by the which he spake." Why were they NOT ABLE? What happened to their free will? Those who reject Gospel of Jesus Christ do so because they are not Children of the promise. They're held captive to do the will of their father the devil. IN BONDAGE JACK. IN BONDAGE TO SIN.
TheologyChannel 1 year ago
@Theology 1st, the Ninevites CHOSE to believe God & to repent by an act of their own free will - God didn't regenerate them 1st. Fallen man is completely capable of understanding God's message of repentance - God gives grace & grants repentance to ALL men in His own time but they can still choose to reject it. 2nd, once AGAIN: ALL God's promises & covenants are conditional, they can only be grasped by faith & obedience - man can choose to resist & reject them. This is true THROUGHOUT the bible
JackMWolfe 1 year ago
@JackMWolfe you sound like a broken record, saying something over and over does not make it so, you have proved nothing.
1689Baptist 1 year ago
@1689Baptist Jack agrees with some other wicked man,"if you repeat a lie long enough and loud enough,people will believe it,and better a big lie than a small one".
CBALLEN 1 year ago
@JackMWolfe Jack you as you continue to dance around the scriptures just remember you are tip-toeing through the T-U-L-I-P.
TheologyChannel 1 year ago
@Theology LOL, I haven't tip-toed one bit thru your little garden of lies - I've driven a bible bull dozer over them. Normally I warn apostates like yourself about the consequences of misleading someone, but in your case you're so inept there's not much chance of that happening - you're only a danger to yourself. And despite all your denials of free will, you demonstrate its existence every time you post another asinine tirade. Who else is responsible for your unbiblical gibberish? God?
JackMWolfe 1 year ago
@JackMWolfe May I suggest an anger management class Jack. The vitriol in your posts is rising indicating your dependence on vulgarity and anger. Proverbs 22:24-25 teaches those who have understanding to "Make no friendship with an angry man; and with a furious man thou shalt not go: Lest thou learn his ways, and get a snare to thy soul." You're a snare to souls Jack. Repent and Believe the Gospel Jack.
TheologyChannel 1 year ago
@Theology LOL, I suggest YOU see a professional about the projection of your own faults on others - it's YOU that's been frothing at the mouth & promoting an unbiblical gospel. Your violent opposition to the truth is only exceeded by your arrogance & dishonesty eg, after claiming to be unapologetic about your doctrines you refused to simply confirm that you believe - 1)Your gospel is limited to those God has preselected for salvation & 2) the rest of mankind has been created for destruction.
JackMWolfe 1 year ago
@JackMWolfe Not that you have credibility, but all any need do is scroll back to see what I believe. I am not ashamed of God. I believe John 3:17-18 verbatim and I even spelled it out. That disturbs you for some reason. You do not know how to distinguish the Gospel of Jesus Christ from the "how and why" we have received that Grace. As for frothing at the mouth, Really? An unbiblical Gospel, Really? Violent Opposition, Really? Arrogant and dishonest, Really? We've been down this road Jack.
TheologyChannel 1 year ago
@Theology Yes, really - frothing, promoting an unbiblical LIMITED gospel, dishonesty, arrogance, etc. And for the FIFTH time now - you claim to be "unapologetic" about your doctrines & gospel but you continue to evade answering 2 VERY simple questions about them with a yes or no answer - 1)Your gospel is limited to those God has preselected for salvation, yes or no? & 2) the rest of mankind has been created for destruction, yes or no? No diatribes, just simple yes or no answers.
JackMWolfe 1 year ago
@JackMWolfe Jack, scroll back for my answers to you or select "see all" and use your browser find function ctrl + “f” on Windows platforms, put in your own assertions, 1 & 2 that is, and search using the "next" button and you will see I have answered both of your very simple questions more than once (and you should already know this because you afterward accused me of being evasive in my approach to the Gospel for the manner in which I already answered you). Perhaps you have forgotten?
TheologyChannel 1 year ago
@JackMWolfe Jack, do you have no compunction about lying or just have limited reading comprehension? Quoting you verbatim, you said "And for the FIFTH time now - you claim to be "unapologetic" about your doctrines & gospel." I never said that! What I DID SAY one (1) time only as far as I can see in checking my comments is, "I’m unapologetic about my God. To be otherwise is to deny God before men." Now who is REALLY guilty of employing (inaccurate) verbal attacks, what you call "diatribes"?
TheologyChannel 1 year ago
@JackMWolfe But just for the record, I am unapologetic for the"Five Solas or the Doctrines of Grace and why would I ever be ashamed of the Gospel of Jesus Christ? I believe and affirm 1 Timothy 4:10 "For to this end we toil and strive, because we have our hope set on the living God, who is the Savior of all people, especially of those who believe." Now may God grant you eyes to see and ears to hear.
TheologyChannel 1 year ago
@Theology 1st, the 2 questions I asked are specifically related to the character of the God you claim to be "unapologetic" about - your continued evasion demonstrates you're lying, & instead you're ashamed. 2nd, I specifically asked for a simple yes or no answer & NOT another diatribe, which are also nothing more than evasions. So for the SIXTH time:1) Is your gospel limited to those God has preselected for salvation. Yes or No? 2) Is the rest of mankind created for destruction. Yes or No?
JackMWolfe 1 year ago
@JackMWolfe Jack, Am I casting pearls before a lying swine? I’ve graciously directed you to my answers just last night. I even told you how to use the search function on a PC computer to do so. Do not dictate to me how I am to answer your questions. I do not affirm your heresies nor do I believe in the conclusions of which your narrow-minded and conceit has you convinced. You're held captive in error and sin. You continue to rant and curse God and treat his flock with contempt. Shameful!
TheologyChannel 1 year ago
@JackMWolfe And before you change the subject again, I want you to admit that you lied when you said,
You said that I said, "And for the FIFTH time now - you claim to be "unapologetic" about your doctrines & gospel."
I actually said, "I’m unapologetic about my God. To be otherwise is to deny God before men."
Jack you are a liar so let's deal with the REAL issues at hand. Your sin, lies, hatred of the brethren and hatred of God.
TheologyChannel 1 year ago
@Theology More hypocrisy, evasion, & false accusations. My 2 simple questions are DIRECTLY related to your claim that you're "unapologetic" about the god you promote- they deal with the doctrines that define his character. You avoid answering them plainly with a simple yes or no because you're ashamed of not only your doctrines but your "god". Again: 1) Is your gospel limited to those God has preselected for salvation. Yes or No? 2) Is the rest of mankind created for destruction. Yes or No?
JackMWolfe 1 year ago
@JackMWolfe Let's get back to an answer regarding your lies (remember below) . Did you lie Jack? Did you accuse me of saying something that I didn't say? Don't talk about evasion when you are the very one covering your sin. John 3:19-21 "And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. "For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved." Well?
TheologyChannel 1 year ago
@Theology Your false accusation has already been answered - your claim to be "unapologetic" about the god you promote is directly tied to the 2 questions I asked about the doctrines which define his character, so there's no lie whatsoever involved except YOUR OWN by refusing to answer them - evasion is a form of lying. So, for the 8th time now - 1) Is your gospel limited to those God has preselected for salvation. Yes or No? 2) Is the rest of mankind created for destruction. Yes or No?
JackMWolfe 1 year ago
@JackMWolfe
Jack - Proverbs 21:16 A man that wandereth out of the way of wisdom, shall remain in the congregation of the dead.
Jack - Proverbs 19:5 A false witness shall not be unpunished: and he that speaketh lies, shall not escape.
TheologyChannel 1 year ago
@Theology "Pr21:16 A man that wandereth out of the way of wisdom, shall remain in the congregation of the dead. - Pr19:5 A false witness shall not be unpunished: and he that speaketh lies, shall not escape."
Yes, those verses & many others apply to you but I didn't have room to post them. Now for the 9th time, stop evading the truth - 1) Is your gospel limited to those God has preselected for salvation. Yes or No? 2) Is the rest of mankind created for destruction. Yes or No?
JackMWolfe 1 year ago
@JackMWolfe Jack, I have spent much time commenting and responding to you because I want you to know the truth. At first I had no reason to doubt your faith in Christ. Now, this far in the conversation, I am left to question just who you are, your intent, and your spiritual condition. This is a conversation about truth and should be glorifying to our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. I am not interested in arguing for the sake of arguing but that you may come to the knowledge of the truth.
TheologyChannel 1 year ago
@Theology That sounded very sincere but I really just want you to answer the 2 questions about the nature & character of the so-called god you promote & which you claim to proudly endorse "unapologetically"
1) Has God preselected certain people for salvation & is your gospel limited to only those people? Yes or No? 2) Does God therefore create the rest of mankind for destruction? Yes or No? So far, you've only shown a desire to distance youself from him & not to support him at all. Why?
JackMWolfe 1 year ago
@JackMWolfe Jack, I answered your question yesterday. Stop playing games. Stop the deceit. Respect His Word and glorify the God you profess to know. If you really wanted to educate yourself regarding Reformed Theology and Calvinism, you would not have "framed" your 2 questions as you have. Do you remember how I answered you yesterday? Nothing has changed over the last 24 hours Jack except that we are BOTH 24 hours closer to meeting our God. Are you ready? Make sure you are ready.
TheologyChannel 1 year ago
@Theology You never answered my simple yes or no questions with a yes or no response & there's NOTHING wrong with the way I "framed" them - if there was you could have answered them with a simple "no" but instead you continue to deceitfully evade them - YOU"RE the one playing games here. Again - 1) Has God preselected certain people for salvation & is your gospel limited to only those people? Yes or No? 2) Does God therefore create the rest of mankind for destruction? Yes or No?
JackMWolfe 1 year ago
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JackMWolfe 1 year ago
@JackMWolfe Jack you treat eternal matters carelessly and recklessly. 1. It is NOT MY GOSPEL. It is the Gospel of Jesus Christ. I don't save sinners. Jesus Christ saves sinners. That is wonderful news. Has God preselected? Where did you find the word “preselected” in the bible? I dont see preselect, preselects or preselected in any of the 30 versions of the bible currently available to me.. God “creates” man for His Always Perfect Purpose. (continued)
TheologyChannel 1 year ago
@Theology So to be clear - your answer to question #1 is "no" God doesn't PRESELECT anyone for salvation but "yes" He does PREDESTINE them for salvation & that THE gospel (aka YOUR gospel) is limited to only those particular people, right? And your answer to question #2 is that "yes" He creates the rest of mankind only for the purpose of destroying them, right? Why do you have such a problem answering with a simple yes or no? It appears you're trying to make excuses & are ashamed of your God.
JackMWolfe 1 year ago
@JackMWolfe Using your words now Jack, "So to be clear" Do you deny Eph. 2:10 Prov. 16:4 “and Rom 8:29-30? You appear to have a problem affirming the Word of God. Attacking me does not glorify God. It only builds your conceit and stores up wrath. Have I made the point clear? Have I accused you of being ashamed of God? No. I am not at all certain that you know Him though as displayed by your disobedience to His Word.
TheologyChannel 1 year ago
@Theology I don't deny any scriptures, what I reject is Calvinism's distortions of them which portray God as something He's not. Unlike your reluctance to support your counterfeit, I'm not the least bit ashamed of the God who has provided salvation for ALL men thru Christ's substitutionary sacrifice & Who offers it as a GIFT to ALL of them not desiring that ANY perish. The question is why YOU'RE so reluctant to support your heretical doctrines, false gospel, & vile "god" by a simple yes or no?
JackMWolfe 1 year ago
@JackMWolfe Jack your contentious nature adds insult to your injurious handling of the bible. If you were to go back to “square one” to study English Grammar it couldn't hurt. Also if you were to study the historical structure of the English Language (with emphasis on Elizabethan Middle English period) that might help. Purchase a copy of the Oxford Dictionary of the English Language (you don't need all 20 volumes but . . . Perhaps a Strong’s Concordance and a Greek Interlinear. Hmm.
TheologyChannel 1 year ago
@Theology So for the 12th time just answer 2 very simple questions with a simple yes or no - 1) Has God preselected (or predestined) certain people for salvation & is your gospel limited to only those people? Yes or No? 2) Has God therefore created the rest of mankind only for destruction? Yes or No? If you're truly "unapologetic" about your doctrines & the nature & character of your "god" this shouldn't be such a hard job. Do you have any idea why you've had such difficulty answering?
JackMWolfe 1 year ago
@JackMWolfe / / Do you have any idea why you've had such difficulty answering? / / I certainly do! I don't like repeating myself to people like you who disrespect of the brethren and scoff at the God they profess to know. When you display conceit and deceit, I have to tell you that I am not motivated to play by your rules. Perhaps a course on interpersonal communications or humility may be another valuable addition to your “list-of-things-to-do” before you die and bow before our Lord.
TheologyChannel 1 year ago
@Theology With all those dictionaries, concordances, & interlinears it seems like you should be able to answer 2 questions that a 4th grader could easily handle. I think your god is getting a little edgy about your committment & "unapologetic" support. Multiple choice this time -1) Has God preselected (or predestined) certain people for salvation & is your gospel limited to only those people? Yes__ No__ 2) Has God therefore created the rest of mankind only for destruction? Yes__ No__.
JackMWolfe 1 year ago
@JackMWolfe (continuation) Now I do read, Romans 8:29-30 “For those which he knew before, he also predestinated to be made like to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren. Moreover, whom he predestinated, them also he called, and whom he called, them also he justified, and whom he justified, them he also glorified. “ (continued)
TheologyChannel 1 year ago
@JackMWolfe (continuation) 2. God creates us for A). 2:10 “Ephesians 2:10 For we are his workmanship created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath ordained, that we should walk in them.”
and for B). Proverbs 16:4 “The Lord hath made all things for his own sake: yea, even the wicked for the day of evil.”
Dare you add or take away from His Words?
TheologyChannel 1 year ago
@JackMWolfe Jack you claim to be a 45 years old and a Christian. Now grow up and act 45 years old and show us that you are Christian. A 45 year old godly person does not typically: accuse brethren, make a practice of lying, handle God's Word recklessly, speak blasphemy of the God he/she professes to know, jump to conclusions about others, use profane language, lack control over his/her spirit, mock and scoff, evade questions, cover their sin, act conceited...Show me you are who you profess.
TheologyChannel 1 year ago
@JackMWolfe "LOL, I haven't tip-toed one bit thru your little garden of lies - I've driven a bible bull dozer over them" LOLOLOLOLROFL In what universe did this happen? LOLOL
1689Baptist 1 year ago
@1689Baptist You're delusional. Dealing with Calvinists is merely like herding greased pigs, & whenever one raises his blasphemous snout out of the mud, whacking it with the appropriate bible verse. The herd’s main qualities are deception & cowardice - TheologyChannel’s flight from 2 simple questions that expose his hypocrisy & the true character of the “god” he promotes is a good example. Your flight from Heb10:30 invoking God to sit in judgment of the REAL liar & blasphemer here, is another.
JackMWolfe 1 year ago
@JackMWolfe Answer regarding your lies Jack! I am not allowing you to get off by changing the subject, ranting, accusing or speaking more lies. Answer regarding your lies Jack! You keep mocking, showing everyone who you are and storing up wrath. Your appointment with God has not been cancelled. Professions are a dime a dozen Jack. Your mouth exposes your heart and soul. Answer regarding your lies Jack!
TheologyChannel 1 year ago
@JackMWolfe – “A fool's mouth is his own destruction, and his lips are a snare for his soul.” Proverbs 18:7
TheologyChannel 1 year ago
@TheologyChannel What a phony. How many times now have you evaded Rom11:32? Keep your lectures about "maturity" & your pretentious prayers for yourself - you'll need them where you're going. You stand convicted & condemned RIGHT NOW for preaching a false gospel according to Gal1:7-9, for blaspheming God's character by denying Rom11:32, & also for changing inclusive words like "all" in such verses. Your only lord is Satan himself & like him you're a depraved liar & false accuser. Pathetic.
JackMWolfe 1 year ago
@JackMWolfe Rom 11:32 For God hath concluded them all in unbelief,.... Both Jews and Gentiles, particularly God's elect among them, ...that he might have mercy upon all: not upon all the individuals of Jews and Gentiles; for all are not concluded in, or convinced of the sin of unbelief, but only such who are eventually believers,
John Gill
1689Baptist 1 year ago
@1689Baptist Yes, John "loony toons" Gill is another apostate who flagrantly adds & subtracts from God's word with reckless, psychotic abandon - and will likewise be held accountable for everyone he confuses & leads to destruction. His attempt to twist Rom11:32 into an unrecognizable pretzel doesn't even make grammatical or logical sense much less have any theological significance - it's unbiblical gibberish.
JackMWolfe 1 year ago
@JackMWolfe - 2 Tim 2:24-26 teaches us and extend patience, and gentleness to those in opposition therefore I will with you. Let’s begin. As so many have already told you JackMWolfe, exegeting the bible (for contextual understanding) keeps one from “cherry picking” verses so as to not build upon unscriptural man-made traditions and to not impose a personal bias on God's Holy Word. We are commanded to rightly divide the word of truth." (Continued).
TheologyChannel 1 year ago
@JackMWolfe - (Continuation) To understand Romans11:32 contextually begin reading at verse eleven. This passage perfectly describes God’s Righteousness in His Plan for Jews and Gentiles. It is not only a recurring theme in Romans but throughout the New Testament. In Romans11:32 the word “ALL” here refers to Jews and Gentiles (all without differentiation or distinction, not all without exception). (continued)
TheologyChannel 1 year ago
@JackMWolfe - (Continuation) The Jews and Gentiles failure to obey and their sin are spotlighted to stress God’s mercy in saving some amongst both Jews and Gentiles. “ALL” does not refer to all who ever lived or will live. The verse doesn’t support that understanding, nor does the passage of the text, nor does the whole of scripture. Again, the word “All” is defined as "all kinds of people." (continued)
TheologyChannel 1 year ago
@JackMWolfe - (Continuation) In the context of Romans, and especially this Chapter eleven, ALL refers to the inclusion of Gentiles along side of the Jews but doesn't assert everyone in the world (nor any who are not amongst the children of the promise, Romans 9:8). OK JackMWolfe, that was a cursory exegesis of Romans11:32. Would you like me to exegete Galatians 1:7-9 (AGAIN)?
TheologyChannel 1 year ago
@JackMWolfe - Jack, if you were to face the Lord this evening would you hear, “Well done thou good and faithful servant” or “Depart from me, you worker of iniquity?”
TheologyChannel 1 year ago
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TheologyChannel 1 year ago
2nd, Rev3:4-5 says there are only A FEW in Sardis who have "not soiled their clothes" & will therefore walk with Christ in white - but the rest are being warned their names will be erased from the Book of Life unless they repent of their apostasy. This warning also applies to YOU as you're more guilty than they were ie, you preach a false gospel & even blaspheme God's character. The question is, as verse 6 asks - Are you able to hear what the Holy Spirit says? Or will your name be removed too?
JackMWolfe 1 year ago
@1689Baptist 1st, Eph4:24-25 says, "Put on the new nature created in God's image, in true righteousness & holiness. Therefore rejecting ALL falsity & being done now with it, let everyone express THE TRUTH with his neighbor" So I'm not being "stupid" but BIBLICAL about you presenting a gospel to others which you don't really believe. You're obligated to tell everyone UPFRONT about your cultic, unorthodox gospel & beliefs, not deceptively hide them so potential victims won't be warned & get away.
JackMWolfe 1 year ago
@JackMWolfe You don't know the Bible
1689Baptist 1 year ago
@1689Baptist "You don't know the Bible"
I obviously DO know the bible & that's why I can point to the literally HUNDREDS of verses that directly contradict your Satanic belief system. Calvinist's claim to love God & His word but their false professions are exposed by all the changes & re-definitions of terms they employ to foster their errors. Your hatred of the bible is manifested in some way every time I quote a verse - you run from the truth like a frightened squirrel. Truly pathetic.
JackMWolfe 1 year ago
@JackMWolfe THERE ARE NO VERSES THAT CONTRADICT CALVINISM!!! You cannot blindside me with some scripture I have not considered, you have NO adequate explanation for the Calvinistic verses therefore you have a Bible full of contradictions.
1689Baptist 1 year ago
@1689Baptist "THERE ARE NO VERSES THAT CONTRADICT CALVINISM!!!"
A few: Lk7:30 says God desired the Pharisees to repent & be saved but they REJECTED His will for themselves. Rev3:5 is a warning that apostates (like you) will be REMOVED from the Book of Life if they persist. The failure of God's promise in Ex6:6-8 to bring the 1st generation of Israelites into the Land demonstrates that salvation is conditional & synergistic. All these are DIRECT refutations of Calvin's heretical belief system.
JackMWolfe 1 year ago
@JackMWolfe Here is my answer lolololol
1689Baptist 1 year ago
@1689Baptist "Here is my answer lolololol"
Nothing new -it's ALWAYS your answer in the face of all the verses that directly & completely refute your falsehoods. It's exactly what I first said - you hate God & His word despite all your pretensions to the contary. When you're refuted you simply laugh it off & continue on in your self-deception & your endeavor to lead others down the same path of destruction you're on. When you're finally destroyed, you'll have NO ONE to blame but yourself.
JackMWolfe 1 year ago
@Fleas Paul's gospel is found in Acts17:29-30 & it's for ALL PEOPLE EVERYWHERE. Paul says in Gal1:7-9 that those who preach a different gospel, such as YOURS ("Repent, for Christ MIGHT have died for you") are under an eternal curse. And John says in 2Jn1:11 NOT to wish anyone encouragement who preaches false doctrines contradictory to his, therefore my only prayer for you is that your deceptive & lying mouth be silenced & that no one will be led astray into the same destruction awaiting you.
JackMWolfe 1 year ago
@JackMWolfe YOU DEVIL Acts17:29-30 is not the Gospel. This is the Gospel, Paul preached 1Co 15:1 Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you....
1Co 15:2 By which also ye are saved...
1Co 15:3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;
1Co 15:4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:
Paul only touched on it in Acts17:31
1689Baptist 1 year ago
@1689Baptist I Greece,the theory of evolution had already been borrowed from the Hindus,many believed man got his start in the oceans and started as a primitive thing.This was Paul's reason,at least in part,for telling them they were all created by God,however,this was not Paul telling them they were all His sons.Acts 17:31
CBALLEN 1 year ago
Respond to this video...Correction Atcs 17:28
CBALLEN 1 year ago
@1689Baptist The portion of the gospel Paul focused on in Acts17 that's applicable to the demonic heresy that YOU promote is the fact that ALL men are children of God not just a few of them (vs29, "Since then we are God's offspring..") & that God calls ALL MEN EVERYWHERE to repentance (vs30). The fallacioius attempt by Calvinists to discount similar verses about salvation & the gospel because they're written to believers is DIRECTLY refuted by Acts17 - it was spoken entirely to PAGANS.
JackMWolfe 1 year ago
@JackMWolfe What ignorance engulfs you! That statment is NOT part of the Gospel, IT IS IMPOSSIBLE FOR YOU TO BE SAVED B/C YOU DON'T KNOW THE GOSPEL!!!!! YOU WILL SPLIT HELL WIDE OPEN!!!!!
1689Baptist 1 year ago
@Fleas Actually, you ALMOST have it right - no one wants to be saved, no one seeks God not even one, they have all turned aside to their own way. But God doesn't leave ANY of them in that hopeless situation - He has supplied a way back to Himself thru Christ, He convicts them ALL of sin & their need for a Savior, calls them ALL to repentance, & those who CHOOSE to repent are then given to Christ for regeneration. THAT'S the TRUE gospel - your Calvinist gospel is limited & condemned by Gal1:7-9
JackMWolfe 1 year ago
@JackMWolfe Umm! You said, "you ALMOST have it right - no one wants to be saved, no one seeks God not even one, He has supplied a way back to Himself thru Christ, He convicts them ALL of sin & their need for a Savior & those who CHOOSE to repent are then given to Christ for regeneration." No one wants to be saved or seeks God, but those that choose Christ? You can't choose something you do not want, all conviction does is make angry sinners.
1689Baptist 1 year ago