...theyve been waiting for years to take out mineta like they have all the other witnesses connected to 911 , making it look like a suicide wont work with him, he's too credible, so soon he will die from a "heart attack" or some strange illness, or he'll be killed in a car crash or some other 'accident".. he's one of the few loose ends thats still around, but im sure his days are numbered.. theyre just being patient, they waited 7 years for BARRY JENNINGS, mineta will be the next to go.
@cjnewson88 - These "thousands of jets" have signals letting the military know who they are. The government says that the transponders on the jet were off. Duh. try again.
"arlington police saw commercial airliner heading to a pentagon"? haha this is bullshit and different what he firs said or in fact he didnt mention this. this add was done under pressure. any official know that that was a like tomcat cruise missile with uranium penetrator. :)
Find the young man and find out which orders and who gave them. Cheney is a murderer, he could have saved those lives at the Pentagon but chose to go ahead with the plan and let them all die.
At the end of your video you ask the question, "Which orders?". The answer is very clear here. Watch your own video when Lee Hamilton is asking the question to Secretary Mineta. He's asking about the order that "authorized the shooting down of commercial aircraft". THAT'S the answer!!! Where do you people get your recycled disinfo and misinfo from? "Loose Change"?
Why do you continue doing this? What is your nasty agenda?
''when you see 1... it might be an accident when you see 2 its a trend... when u see 3 its a plan''........ hmmm, i think by the second we all new it was a 'plan'. oh and btw, it was unrecognisable as a plane on radar BECAUSE IT WASNT A PLANE. it was a missile.
Where is the black box evidence and footage of the plane hitting the pentagon? What about the incredible "hijacker" passport find at the twin towers? Atta's luggage find, lack of hijackers on passenger lists, named hijackers who were in fact alive, the stock market anomalies (which the Commission said were not linked to Al Qaeda), the White House lie over when Bush left the school, the demolition-like collapse of WTC7, the pilot skill needed to hit that side of the Pentagon, no intercepts..
Mineta was asked about the shoot down order for Flight 93 and replied that he didn't know of any order but was made aware of it during the period of the plane heading for the Pentagon.
The young man is saying that the plane is 50 miles out etc then at ten miles out he asked Cheney "do the orders still stand. " Are people here suggesting that the young man thinks that now that the plane is only ten miles out the shoot down no longer applies?
Nice how you cut it off right atthat moment. Watch about a minute more, and it debunks your stupid assumption.
"Planes WERE SCRAMBLED from Langley, but those were still about ten minutes away".
Plus, Hamilton is asking Mineta about Bush's SHOOTDOWN order. Not anything about a stand down. Where is it ever mentioned it is a stand down exactly? Because the only type of order I hear is about a shoot down.
Any time people want to argue with me and call me a "theorist" about 9/11, they say it's impossible to be an inside job because something would have leaked if that were the case.... To all of you that have said such things (including Noam Chomsky), what the hell is this then???? An eye witness report that was ignored and omitted from the official account of 9/11 but yet WE are somehow theorizing that there were shenannigans involved to cover up the true account of this event.
@yojimbe1 LEAK : Mike Harari former chief of Special Operations for the Israeli Mossad revealed setting up the 9/11 Flase Flag attack with the help of Top US Government and Intelligence members He explained that during the WTC construction in the 70's a "Nuclear demolition device (CHECK GOOGLE WIKIPEDIA 4 MORE DETAILS) was intalled 70 meters deep The U.N has also one for later Demolition. These "Mini Nukes" (0.1 -100 Kilotons Plutonium 239) are called SDAM & MADM with very small radiation.
Evidence. Good testimony. This tears the official story to pieces. Cheney is a criminal and needs to rot in prison. There is no crime greater than treason.
They are creating the police state out of this. It is happening right in front of our eyes.
What always bugs me is this: 1st plane hits the tower at 8:46, the second at 9:03. There is a no way that by accident two commercial jet liner hit the towers. That and phone responding stating that the planes were hi-jacked. Now, with this jets should have been dispatched to cover D.C., and arguably jets should have been dispatched all over the U.S. A 757 flies at an avg. of 500-600 mph, a F16's top speed is 1,300. There is no reason a F16 should have been over D.C.
Mineta's testimony on Cheney's order for a stand down, Building 7 going down unjustifiably so, the disregard to Ground Zero workers and their health problems. I need not know more.
In his testimony Mineta states "There was a young man who had come in and said to the vice president, "The plane is 50 miles out. The plane is 30 miles out." And when it got down to, "The plane is 10 miles out," the young man also said to the vice president, "Do the orders still stand?" And the vice president turned and whipped his neck around and said, "Of course the orders still stand..."
Cheney's order to stand-down caused the young man to be concerend & confirm at 10miles! Inside Job!
@dxvxvx How was it an inside job, 1 guy at VT killed 32, 2-3 guys in Oklahoma City killed 168 and 19 guys plus a lot of help killed 2,800...with the right 19 guys and help u cud have pulled off the same thing...do u remember the things u cud bring on a plane pocket knifes, box cutters, an entire group of people who were in this country training everyday in flight schools under the watch of Bill Clinton (screwing women, creating internet jobs) while the 19 men were doing test runs...get a clue
@dxvxvx The order was not to stand down it was to shoot down the plane. Listen to the full testimony where he adds "Jets were scrambled form langley" Conspiracy nuts lie and make stuff up its reall sad. The order was about fighter jets to shoot the plane down. Get a clue
@dxvxvx Of course that was in response to being asked if he knew that the shoot down order HAD been given. He was saying that the order, to shoot down incoming flights, still stands. Mineta is confirming this, not disputing it. It's very clear if you watch the entire question and not just the "truther" disinformation videos.
@BriansVideoHobby he is neither telling the commission it was a shoot down order nor that it was a stand-down order, it is we that can logically deduce it was a stand-down order since Cheney knew there was a plane at 50miles out and the surface to air missiles were not activated
@dxvxvx Actually, the incoming plane alerts were based on projections extrapolated from the planes previously known path and speed, not radar tracking. The plane they were warning about was already crashed in the field. Several people present confirmed the shoot down order was given by Cheney, confirmed again with Bush, and repeated. This same testimony is given by the people on the plane with Bush.
@BriansVideoHobby please provide the video evidence for your nonsense, the video evidence for what i say is ............eerrr above? CIA agents these days, desperados
@dxvxvx The evidence is widely distributed in testimony and official documents. Mineta has given many different timelines along with some that would have been impossible. This is a dead horse long ago debunked.
@BriansVideoHobby your implying that Mineta changed his mind at each testimony where's the evidence? no its not a dead horse, its clear that its an inside job
Why won't the FBI release 84 tapes related to this (Pentagon) crash then? What are they afraid of? And don't even tell me that 5 frame joke of a film counts because you can't see anything except the tip something then a explosion with no plane debris anywhere. No luggage, no body parts, nothing. Nick Rockefeller told Aaron Russo 11 months before 9/11 that we were going to invade Iraq and Afghanistan. You are either a sock puppet for the D.O.J. or haven't done much research.
@rmccay88 That's just not true. There was plenty of debris documented in photos, video, and witness testimony. When an aluminum plane hits reinforced concrete at 500 MPH there are only going to be small body parts and there were. Wait, now the Rockefellers are in on it too? Seriously? What are we up to now? 4-5 thousand conspirators? I guess you aren't even aware that there is no Nicholas Rockefeller in the Rockefeller family. Don't let the facts get in your way.
You never answered my question, why hasn't the FBI released the 84 tapes? Actually there is a Nick Rockefeller apart of the family...you clearly don't know shit. Now, I am not trying to say he is close with David Rockefeller or anything but I'd like you to watch the interview and dispute anything he says. Russo was friends with him for years, so it's not like he is making a off handed assertion like you are. And building 7 fell in under seven seconds with no plane being hit...
@rmccay88 I don't know that there are 84 tapes and I don't know why they haven't released them. I'll go with the 136 documented witnesses, including 8 pilots, that identified it as a large commercial passenger jet. Nick Rockefeller is NOT a part of the "Rockefellers" ie the rich family. He MAY be a very very distant cousin. Russo talks about Nick and then the Rockefeller Foundation as if Nick is somehow connected to the family. He is not. Russo is being deceptive.
Fox New's own reporter among other ground witnesses say that it was not anything that looked like a AA plane. I concede that he is distant but he still is a CFR member and has most of the elite buddies as a result from his last name. But the one thing no one can explain is the massive stock speculation on future contracts betting that airlines and banks would go down just days 1-4 days before 9/11. In some cases, it was 90 times higher than normal put option averages...
@rmccay88 Actually, if you had bothered to look, you would know that 95% of the puts against the airlines were bought by one investment firm and they were to cover stock which they also bought. There is no mystery and it was not in the slightest an unusual move for them.
What is that investment firm's name and have they been prosecuted? What about all the banks with even higher put options?
What you said in your last sentence is a total farce. I can tell you as someone who has past my Series Seven Exam and knows a lot about securities and exchanges that the only way people could bet 90-100 times more than a average on put options is if they had foreknowledge of events related to inside information.
@rmccay88 I have been trading for over 20 years. Anyone who says "it could only happen" this way or that has no idea what they are talking about. The put options were thoroughly investigated and they almost all led back to a cover play that was quite normal.
Morgan Stanley, which saw an average of 27 put options on its stock bought per day before September 6, saw 2,157 put options bought in the three trading days before the attack. Merrill Lynch, which saw an average of 252 put options on its stock bought per day before September 5, saw 12,215 put options bought in the four trading days before the attack. Morgan Stanley's stock dropped 13% and Merrill Lynch's stock dropped 11.5% when the market reopened.
That is just a small example, the airlines are even higher! As someone who past their series seven exam and knows a lot related to securities and exchanges, the only way that is "scientifically" possible is Insider Trading. The case below and the airlines is not merely a case of a little speculation, that is the classic case of people having foreknowledge of events that were about to occur. (Sorry it was so long)
@rmccay88 You act like the put options existed in a vacuum. There is abundant evidence that investors were being warned that the airlines were having trouble. AA had just come out with a report that they expected they would miss earnings. The levels of puts were not unusual and weren't even the highest of the year. Your term "scientifically" is in error. It was normal under the circumstances.
Under normal circumanstances? That has to the most laughable thing I have ever heard being in the securities business. Anything more than 10-15 times above average for a company is enough to raise a red flag but 90 times above average? And just 1-3 days from 9/11? Wake the fuck up already. I presented all I can to you, no one with any rational thinking can possibly believe all those banks and airlines were due from usual market circumstances and not inside information.
@rmccay88 Dude, the same company also bought thousands of shares of stock on 9/10. The puts were a cover play on bad earnings news. Why don't you ever mention that?
@dxvxvx At the end of that statement, Mineta testifies that Cheney said "Of course the orders still stand. Have you heard anything to the contrary?" It was Bush's call. I'm don't believe the Commission Report. It's physically impossible for a plane to do that. Especially with a pilot that couldn't control a Cessna 171. Regardless, to be a skeptic, you almost have to know the opposing view more than your own.
@dxvxvx Mineta's testimony also blows a hole through the official version of when Cheney knew of the events- long before Cheney and the Commission report stated. So either Mineta is a fantasist or Cheney and the Commission lied.
@dxvxvx Mineta would also have no obvious reason to lie, unlike Cheney and the Commission. The media of course has hardly rushed to publicise such things and all the lies and inconsistencies in the official version
@mizofan exactly why would MIneta lie. Why would any person who speaks against the government lie when it could only get you in trouble. Unfortnately in we live in sophisticated dictatorships where choices are imposed on us - for example I want an interest-free based economy, will any party ever give me that choice, No, I have to choose what's imposed on me, i choose not to vote at all, a non-vote is a vote of no confidence in the system!
@dxvxvx I understand a no vote as protest but it doesn't have the effect that a No Vote as an active vote that counts would have. I thinkj Non voters would need to mobilise for their non votes to be counted, in a No Vote protest party, which might shake things up. Anyway, you're right about lack of choice and lack of true democracy, but these are separate issues from the appalling govt crime of 9/11
@mizofan lol "a No Vote protest party" sounds interesting. Lack of true democracy goes hand in hand with 9/11 as an inside job because it all falls under the umbrella of imperialism
@dxvxvx exactally. If the fighter jets were out of range to respond, why would the aid ask if the order still stands? The shoot down order would only be relevent if they had the option to execute it with able fighter jets. The order could only have been to stand down because the Pentigon was hit. .
Has the question regarding what the order was been given to the "young man" that Cheney was in communication with. That guy would obviously know what the order was. Has he been summoned to speak under oath?
Really? Where have you been? Have you not heard Alex Jones and Jason Bermus accusing the firefighters of being in on it? Also that other rescue workers know the truth but were "paid off" to keep silent?
Have you not heard almost EVERY truther claiming that the FDNY demolished WTC7 on Silversteins orders to "pull it"?
Have you not heard that they claim that rescue and cleanup workers covered up the proof that WTC 1&2 were demolished?
@jeffmay1 There is a transcript of the Robertson-Jones interview on Journal for 9/11 Studies. YouTube won't allow me to post the cite, but it is there. I am sending it to you by YouTube e-mail.
Robertson was embarrassingly inept and stupid for "a guy that helped design the building".
@jeffmay1 - From Gregg Roberts: In a 1993 Seattle Times article, Skilling was described as the head structural engineer.1 Robertson was not mentioned there, nor in an article in the Engineering News-Record that discussed the design in 1964.In City in the Sky, Robertson is called the “rising young engineer with Skilling's firm” and-coming engineers on [Skilling’s] staff,” Skilling’s “young associate,” whom Skilling “assigned… to help him prepare a proposal”
to the Port Authority’s board. Skilling’s firm was named Worthington, Skilling, Helle, and Jackson. Clearly, Skilling was a senior partner at the firm and Robertson was his subordinate. The tallest building his firm had designed before then was 22 stories tall. to the Port Authority’s board. Skilling’s firm was named Worthington, Skilling, Helle, and Jackson.
Clearly, Skilling was a senior partner at the firm and Robertson was his subordinate. The tallest building his firm had designed before then was 22 stories tall. It hardly seems likely that he sat back and smoked cigars while the 34-year-old Robertson – who at the beginning of the project had a bachelor's only in science and not in engineering – went off and designed the Towers without supervision..
The project would clearly have had Skilling’s full attention. The point is not merely about whether Robertson intentionally allowed the host to inflate his résumé for him, though that would be unethical enough. Skilling made a number of factual claims about the World Trade Center towers’ design strengths that disagree with Robertson’s. Having died in 1998, Skilling is not alive to defend those claims or the conclusions they support.
Your comments make no sense. The Truther version of events claim that the "brave first responders" were in on the plan. You are saying the truth will come out and it will be justice for the "brave first responders. Pick a side already!!
At 9:20 Mineta enters the PEOC, sees Cheney. At 9:25, Mineta hears Cheney confirm the stand down protocol, CJCSI 3610.01A by saying, "Of course the orders still stand. Have you heard anything to the contrary?"
HAHAHA..TRUTHERS are so silly...I have video of Jason Berman telling Norman Minettas story of hearing Cheney give the "Direct Stand Down Order". Ok, he said this was his best evidence 9/11 was an inside job..But then I also have him saying that no plane hit the pentagon..Does that make any sense..his best evidence is that Cheney would not shoot down the plane headed for the Pentagon that doesnt exist..LOL.they dont even realize that doesnt make sense.like 93,,was shot down,next it doesnt exist.
@babymalai.... I hear you :).... well, I think it is because of various reasons...I wonder the same thing myself...sometimes people don't want to think about these things possibly being true- or they 'don't want to know'...(I have had many people come right out and say things like this scare them, etc... but, also, there are people who are part of the cover-up that circulate misinformation, so...
Just think, our govt could settle this entire debate by releasing the video it has of the plane hitting the pentagon. Or somehow explain the engineering failure of building 7.
The gov't has better things to worry about then to settle some youtube debate amongst a select few paranoid conspiracy nuts. For normal people, the plane debris, witnesses, damage path, black boxes and passenger DNA settled it a long time ago.
look, i dont believe the official story but it is obvious here that mineta is saying cheney gave this fellow orders to shoot down the plane and was pissed that the man asked if the orders still stand.
OK, this is all suspicious, but one thing about the truthers I don't get. Maybe you can enlighten me. They say that a 757 didn't even hit the Pentagon, which is a reasonable assumption based on the size of the hole and wreckage (or lack thereof). Yet they also interpret this testimony by Mineta as Cheney ordering a stand-down on that 757 so it can hit the Pentagon.. which contradicts the idea that a 757 didn't hit the Pentagon in the first place... so... maybe the order wasn't for a 757?
Well, whether or not flight 77 actually hit the Pentagon is irrelevant; we know it was en route at some point. And if Cheney was in on the events of that day, he would have to appear as if all this was a surprise (even though, behind the scenes, a few people, like the unidentified man that Mineta refers to would have alternate orders which still stood).
So regardless of what eventually hit the Pentagon is irrelevant to Cheney's stand down orders concerning flight 77.
it was my understanding that that (nor any) plane never hit the Pentagon and the people and the plane were taken to God knows where-have you seen 'Loose Change' ? and 'L.C. Final Cut' ? If you haven't , you need to-excellent resource! God bless :)
Dylan Avery himself claims (you can watch the clip in my favourites) that his Loose Change movies "contain errors, makes dubious claims, and come to conclusions not backed up by the facts" His exact words. So if you are watching his movie as a "documentary" you are in big trouble. Even he doesn't claim that
@jeffmay1... with all due respect, I have been researching the government and the Illuminati for years, so believe me, I don't just look at one source for my information/information gathering/or to form an opinion....wow! that is amazing that he said those things (if he said those things, kinda makes me wonder what motivated him to say them...)
@jeffmay1... hey- just went to your favorites and the only Dylan Avery video I saw (I watched) didn't contain what you said is in your favorites- could you please tell me the clip where he says this- you said it was in your favorites... thank-you :)
The orders to shoot down planes that are suspected as hijacked!!!!!! Are you not paying attention? It was even part of the question he was just asked!
What! So they evacuated the white house but noy anywhere else that is the worst excuse i have ever seen. The fact they did not know where it was heading when builds had been hit in new york should made them evacuate all major structures.
DC is a no fly zone for commercial planes within 10 minutes with out response it is protocol for a plane to intercept it, before that when a plane goes of tract if it does not respond with in 10 minutes time it will be intercepted, there was more than enough time to avoid this madness, I am a military brat grandfather fought in ww2, Korea, Vietnam, my father fought in Desert storm and can tell you about the evils of our government
DC was NOT a no fly zone. The Reagan airport is seconds from the Pentagon. Hundreds of commercial planes flew right over it everyday. Before 9/11 the only plane to be intercepted over U.S. soil took 76 minutes to intercept. Being a military brat does not give you the right to just make shit up!
I stand corrected. The Class Bravo airspace over DC (White House, Capitol etc) was declared a "no-fly zone" that morning, which did not need any further shootdown order to be issued, but the no-fly zone was not declared until after the Pentagon strike.
@atty1chgo It's not automatic shoot down because Rumsfeld changed the policy three months prior, said it has to go through him at the DoD. For some reason he was unreachable despite the fact he says he was in his office at the pentagon. Listen to norad tapes.
@atty1chgo i guess they shoot down all those commercial flights that take off from regan national airport and fly directly over the pentagon dozens of times an hour..
Maybe in some things but when two planes hit each of the WTC Twin Towers, it is not 'a trend' (it's statistically highly improbable to say the least) ... it is a plan (by someone). That was a very weird thing to say.
Anyway, the "orders" behind the famous remarks by Cheney which he heard really need to be exposed (like everything else)
The Commission report left out Mineta for good reason, and they also even had to overrule Cheney himself for the times of his awareness, to justify the failings. Not just Mineta, but testimony of Laura Brown, Jane Garvey, Gen Richard Clarke all very important and suppressed. So many other contradictions, lies, distortions, suppressions, coincidences, and continued by the shamefully compliant media. The planes should have been intercepted, there was plenty of time, but weren't.
The Commission report did NOT leave out Mineta, did you actually read it? Or just repeating some comment you heard from someone else?
As for the planes being intercepted, NORAD did not have enough time. The FAA did not keep them informed in a timely fashion. Plus, at one point, they were tracking up to 15 planes that they thought were hijacked, are you suggesting that they should have shot them all down? Good thing they didn't, or the death toll for 9/11 would be much higher.
They new the planes were arriving when they were 50 miles out, they had stinger missiles that can shoot down planes this excuses is not acceptable. The Virginia beach has huge numbers of aircraft and army stugg.
Yes they could. It was 50 miles out they had stinger missiles on the white house which can shoot planes down from two miles. They have numerous army and navy bases in the region. They evacuated the white house before the pentagon was hit.
In London, hundreds of innocent people were injured & many innocents killed.
Like innocent lambs to the slaughter.
In both places the Governments wanted to ensure a crystallising event could ensure enough "SHOCK" to "green-light" the Government to shift balance of power from citizens to US president & UK prime minister!
KINDLY CONNECT dots - to unscramble jigsaw puzzle. A CLEAR picture emerges.
On "911" [code for emergency] "WARGAMES" were taking place under command of Dick CHENEY in PEOC routed through to NORAD [Cheyenne, CO]!
On very day of 911 2001 in NY there were "WARGAMES" organised through v-p - to act as "distraction"!
ON the same day of 7-7-2005 in London, British "Security Service" (MI5) outsourced "WARGAMES" to VISOR Consultants did same thing at SAME rail stations where bombs were planted!
Aaron RUSSO reminded us that the "911" was a deceit/fraud on US citizens teated like ignorant fools that could be easily duped at "the wink of an eye" - to crystallise a "New World Order" (NWO) controlled by the International Bankers [David ROCKEFELLER of 146 East 65 Street, NY 10021] that control the world's financial system.
The Official "911" Report was total whitewash.
Lee Hamilton was appointed Chairman - a friend of GWBush.
What of the "WARGAMES" controlled by Cheney from PEOC?
It is EXTREMELY reassuring to be reminded again & again that very many great US citizens who believe fervently in the US Constitution & rights & liberties enshrined therein.
You are intelligent, astute, wise & intuitive
people & will NOT be brainwashed by the Rupert Murdoch controlled "Fox" & CFR controlled media - but those who think they are in CONTROL [as Privately controlled Federal Reserve] try to demonise the 911 wise academics & intelligent citizens who get through the OFFICIAL lies!
Mineta, as naive as all human race, really believed in hijacked planes.....Cheney knew the Pentagon had to get hit by a missile and he had to allow it....You can´t hit yourself...can You ?
at the Pentagon Cheney gave orders not to intercept the flight and we all know that the flight going to the Pentagon was allowed to get closer...Cheney gace that orders because he knew that this flight was going to release the missile that hit the building...
there is much to say about that day and what happened at the Pentagon is just a clear example of what generally is going on in the USA. President Bush knew about the attack but he is not most powerful person in USA as those you paid his campaign are....said that President Bush had to give orders to destroy any possible menace, but at that point WTC were hit already ( Afghanistan and Silverstein are set . We all know that only one jet hit WTC, all the others are fake..
I don't agree with any planes being faked yet I still question whether or not a commercial jet hit the Pentagon per the official version. I've seen footage from different angles of what looked like a missile being fired at the South tower secs before the jet hit it. Faked? Hard to say since I saw footage from different angles. Check out thepentacon . com site, if you want to read about another point of view regarding the Pentagon attack. Can you back up your opinions with examples?
9/11 Comm. Rpt, pg. 40, 2nd para, last sentence, Cheney was in tunnel he found out about the Pentagon attack.
Cheney/Russert Interview, May 16, 2001: Cheney came from tunnel into PEOC, saw Mineta, and in short order learned of the attack while in PEOC.
CONCLUSION: Interview said Cheney was in PEOC when he received info on attack. Rpt almost 3 years later said Cheney was in tunnel during attack. Both sentences point to a contradiction and a COVER-UP(?) to keep Mineta's testimony from rpt.
I cannot accept what was said on pages 40 and 41 of the report at all based on the contradiction with the Russert/Cheney interview - rpt and interview are on official sites. To me, the contradiction points to lies and a cover-up in the report and no shoot down order ever occurring. Unless we are informed about official logs regarding Cheney's supposed conversation with Bush occurring at all, I cannot accept the report. What is not explained is "Do the orders still stand?"
The cover-up implies that Cheney was not in tunnel when he was told the Pentagon attack. If Mineta's testimony is true, Cheney was busy following the incoming plane info from the aide. Attack occurred at around 9:37. Hence, no orders from Cheney in the tunnel at 9:37 per rpt. Rpt said at 9:58 he arrived in PEOC, AFTER ATTACK. Interview & Mineta say Cheney was in PEOC BEFORE THE ATTACK.
Since Mineta was never mentioned ever being in PEOC, can only conclude what Cheney heard were the stand down orders still stand based on "JCS Instruction (CJCSI 3610.01A), dated June 1, 2001, called AIRCRAFT PIRACY (HIJACKING) AND DESTRUCTION OF DERELICT AIRBORNE OBJECTS assuming that's real. Reference to order in report to shoot down the 80 mile out plane was thought to be Flt 93& I doubt that conversation occurred either, hence pgs 40-41 not true & shoot down orders were never given. All LIES.
Quoting 9/11 Commission Report, page 40, last sentence of 1st complete paragraph: ..."He learned in the tunnel that the Pentagon had been hit, and he saw television coverage of smoke coming from the building."
Quoting the May 16, 2001, interview:
..."I went down into what's call a PEOC, the Presidential Emergency Operations Center, and there, I had Norm Mineta..."
Scrolling down, read:
"But when I arrived there within a short order, we had word the Pentagon's been hit."
Show me where that's documented. Hamilton's quote isn't enough to convince me he was speaking specifically of orders against Pentagon attack acft. Have you read Mineta's testimony, 9/11 Commission Report (pgs 40-41 in particular) & Cheney/Russert Sept 16, 2001 "Meet the Press" interview to compare all presented? Are you aware Bush & Cheney met w/ selected 9/11 Commission Rpt members w/ unsworn/undocumented discussions? Orders Hamilton mentioned smacked of pg 41 alluding to Flt 93 - lies?
The report on pg 40 specifically mentions in the para heading, "United 93 and the Shootdown Order". Pg 41, conversation aide mentioned to Cheney about an acft that was 80 miles out - reminds me of what Mineta heard about mileage countdown. Flt 93 never got w/in 80 miles of DC. Pg 41., IMO, that scenario never happened & neither did shootdown order mentioned that way (on Pg 41). Rpt does not mention any order regarding Pentagon acft since Cheney was not reported being in PEOC during attack.
the hijacked plane was on a direct course with washington dc. not south dakota, new mexico, or the atlatic ocean. and after two previous attacks they still stand down. dc is the 2cnd most protected city in the US, if not new york. and we couldnt even get a propeller plane in the air.
HONESTLY its difficult to me that people that has investigated a little bit 9/11 still believe the gov, but what is amazing is people that seen this video of mineta,,,,dont understand the meaning of it,,,,when its so clear, by the way you seen the hole of the building, you seen the 330º turn before crashing? at 500 mph? you seen what professional pilots thing about that move? and fly over 60 cm the floor?,,,you seen the big line of people taking evidence from the grass,,,why? ,,,,sheeps...
i thought i had explain myself ok , lets try again, supose the orders were shot down plane by hijakers,,,at 50 miles they had a chance to do it,,,why they dont do it at 50 miles,,,then the plane is 30,,,and still dont shot??, and if the orders where to shot why the soldier ask again? if the orders still on,why pentagon hit?,,obviously the orders is let the plane crash because is a militar plane and it will got to an empty section of the building,,,anyway if was like you say WHY NOT EVACUATED?
guys its quite simple forget about,,,the orders of cheney we dont know if he said dont shoot at it, or stand down (i think are both) the point is,,,AND OBJECT a global hawk, a missil or an AA, WAS GONNA HIT PENTAGON AND THEY KNEW IT , AND THEY DONT EVACUATE THE PENTAGON?????..probably you know that the path of the plane was going to hit west side donald rumsfeld office , but then changed making a riskY turn and hit an emptY section in the EAST of the building,,,,lol,,,THEY KNEW IT WHERE ...
How can you say in the same argument Why dont they shoot the plane down, AND claim there is no plane. There was no stand down order. If you watched the Mineta testimony yourself, he witnesses a young man come into the bunker of the White House and ask Cheney if the order still stands. Cheney says "Of course they stand!" What conspiracy theorists DONT tell you is that the order was TO SHOOT DOWN ANY PLANE KNOWN TO BE CONTROLLED BY TERRORISTS. Its right there in the EXACT same testimony!
and one more thing,,,,i never said there is no plane ,,,,you see you only read what you want to read,,,the same in beliving your goverment,i said "and object a global hawk (plane) a missil (i suppose you know a missil can be very similar to a plane), and AA (american airline comercial airliner),,,,SO DEBUNKED what you say that i "claimed there isnt a plane",,,,
i explain you, is like i say i recovered 160 % of the plane,,,,is the same thing a lie !!!!!!
you never seen the famous crater? the dark marks that is suposed to be wings mark,,,and they were already there in 1994 !!????
93% recovered who told you this the goverment? there are some videos here in you tube of people who was there and after 20 minutes,they quit,,,,they were nothing but dirt and ash, no plane no blood bla bla bla.....
You guys are right. 9/11 wasn't what the media said it was. I was jacking off to some donkey porn with my enormous wang (just out of frame on the security camera footage), and I shot my giant load at the Pentagon. It is the white streak you see. Also, at that very second, a UFO piloted by Elvis and Genghis Kahn also crashed into the outer ring.
Perhaps someday the rest of America will know the real truth about 9/11. I'd tell more truth, but I think I hear the black helicopters.
nice interview by Mineta. It definately shows a conflict in the timeline by the official narrative and what Mineta ended up testifying to. And, if Mineta's inference of a shootdown order is incorrect, then the orders were to stand down on AA77 or whatever was coming into the Pentagon. And yes, I could never understand how the Pentagon is called "protected air space" if they can't shoot enemy combatants down on the spot.
I don't accept rpt's "Flight 93 and the Shootdown Order section at all! All you read in the rpt was after 9:58 - AFTER PENTAGON ATTACK THAT occurring @ ~9:37. MINETA SAID HE SAW CHENEY IN PEOC PRIOR TO PENTAGON ATTACK & I ASSUME DURING ATTACK! RPT SAID HE WAS IN THE TUNNEL DURING ATTACK. CHENEY, IN HIS INTERVIEW W/ RUSSERT ON 9/16/01, SAID HE WAS W/ MINETA IN PEOC & IN SHORT ORDER WAS TOLD OF THE PENTAGON ATTACK! GET IT FOLKS??? FLT 93 SECTION IS AUTH. TO ENGAGE - TIMES & DISTANCES - ALL BS!
3:02 into the tape, Mineta says he said, "Monty, bring all the airplanes down." This is just another contradiction with the official story which says the 3rd in command ordered all the planes down. Remember there was no shoot down order given until 10:18 A.M. Eastern, thus making it impossible for Mineta to overhear a shootdown order at 9:20 A.M. Eastern by Dick Cheney and the young man.
Good argument eversincealways. Whenever you can't disprove that it was in fact a shootdown order, not a standdown order, just call the guy an idiot and be on your merry way back to 9/11 truth circle jerks.
Yay! For more idiots who mindlessly believe there was an inside job without any substantial evidence.
"Yay! For more idiots who mindlessly believe there was an inside job without any substantial evidence."
Sorry you failed to read my previous comments in favor of putting words in m mouth. I guess that makes you an idiot too. I said nothing about standing or shooting down. If you want to wax semantics, blow my mind--not smoke up my ass.
"Your previous comments? You have commented twice on this page: once above (the one I replied too) and the response to me."
I commented quite a bit more. As for what the owner of the thread censors, I can't say. And yes, not taking this point into consideration further cements your idiocy.
"I guess that doesn't make me an idiot, and makes you an even bigger dipshit than before. Do you even know where you are?"
Do you know how respond outside of baseless, irrelevant, ad homonym attacks?
All the testimony indicates that there is an incoming threat 50 miles out... right? So what? We don't think that's a good enough reason to scramble a few more planes?
Or even; just point a SAM at the damn thing?
Hell!
We had been under attack and at WAR for over an hour!
Do you have any idea how fast planes cover 50 miles? Like, honestly? Ever flown on a plane? Once the plane is 50 miles out, and the fighter jets have to come from Langley, the
Who was the young man, does anyone no or if he's been interviewed?
icicicles 1 week ago
Mr. Mineta still alive after his official statements...thia is a miracle!!! Go Mineta Go!
MVPSSY 3 weeks ago
Wowww!
Shayanpac 3 weeks ago
...theyve been waiting for years to take out mineta like they have all the other witnesses connected to 911 , making it look like a suicide wont work with him, he's too credible, so soon he will die from a "heart attack" or some strange illness, or he'll be killed in a car crash or some other 'accident".. he's one of the few loose ends thats still around, but im sure his days are numbered.. theyre just being patient, they waited 7 years for BARRY JENNINGS, mineta will be the next to go.
JG1635 4 months ago
@cjnewson88 - These "thousands of jets" have signals letting the military know who they are. The government says that the transponders on the jet were off. Duh. try again.
atty1chgo 4 months ago
"arlington police saw commercial airliner heading to a pentagon"? haha this is bullshit and different what he firs said or in fact he didnt mention this. this add was done under pressure. any official know that that was a like tomcat cruise missile with uranium penetrator. :)
mojojojotownsville 4 months ago
Now that Mineta knows what all that meant - can he come out know and tell us if it was an inside job or not?! Simple.
halani 4 months ago
Was it me or did Mineta change his story in the 2 different interviews a little???
laffredo 4 months ago
OMG..................It is clearly an inside job.
Chaney oh
Chaney
you are a mass murderer !!!
Thank you Mr Secretary for telling the truth.
mayaforpeaceful 4 months ago 2
Find the young man and find out which orders and who gave them. Cheney is a murderer, he could have saved those lives at the Pentagon but chose to go ahead with the plan and let them all die.
dimitryklush 5 months ago 2
If he is not lying, then should one be surprised Mineta is still alive..?
grifrin 7 months ago
At the end of your video you ask the question, "Which orders?". The answer is very clear here. Watch your own video when Lee Hamilton is asking the question to Secretary Mineta. He's asking about the order that "authorized the shooting down of commercial aircraft". THAT'S the answer!!! Where do you people get your recycled disinfo and misinfo from? "Loose Change"?
Why do you continue doing this? What is your nasty agenda?
jdh501 7 months ago
''when you see 1... it might be an accident when you see 2 its a trend... when u see 3 its a plan''........ hmmm, i think by the second we all new it was a 'plan'. oh and btw, it was unrecognisable as a plane on radar BECAUSE IT WASNT A PLANE. it was a missile.
TDLProductionsUK 8 months ago
Where is the black box evidence and footage of the plane hitting the pentagon? What about the incredible "hijacker" passport find at the twin towers? Atta's luggage find, lack of hijackers on passenger lists, named hijackers who were in fact alive, the stock market anomalies (which the Commission said were not linked to Al Qaeda), the White House lie over when Bush left the school, the demolition-like collapse of WTC7, the pilot skill needed to hit that side of the Pentagon, no intercepts..
mizofan 8 months ago 2
Just a minute here.
Mineta was asked about the shoot down order for Flight 93 and replied that he didn't know of any order but was made aware of it during the period of the plane heading for the Pentagon.
The young man is saying that the plane is 50 miles out etc then at ten miles out he asked Cheney "do the orders still stand. " Are people here suggesting that the young man thinks that now that the plane is only ten miles out the shoot down no longer applies?
Cheney has ordered a stand down
wkbfutewc 9 months ago 2
Where's the proof of a stand down order?
edcoondog 9 months ago
Nice how you cut it off right atthat moment. Watch about a minute more, and it debunks your stupid assumption.
"Planes WERE SCRAMBLED from Langley, but those were still about ten minutes away".
Plus, Hamilton is asking Mineta about Bush's SHOOTDOWN order. Not anything about a stand down. Where is it ever mentioned it is a stand down exactly? Because the only type of order I hear is about a shoot down.
Swazi4 10 months ago
Any time people want to argue with me and call me a "theorist" about 9/11, they say it's impossible to be an inside job because something would have leaked if that were the case.... To all of you that have said such things (including Noam Chomsky), what the hell is this then???? An eye witness report that was ignored and omitted from the official account of 9/11 but yet WE are somehow theorizing that there were shenannigans involved to cover up the true account of this event.
yojimbe1 11 months ago 2
@yojimbe1 LEAK : Mike Harari former chief of Special Operations for the Israeli Mossad revealed setting up the 9/11 Flase Flag attack with the help of Top US Government and Intelligence members He explained that during the WTC construction in the 70's a "Nuclear demolition device (CHECK GOOGLE WIKIPEDIA 4 MORE DETAILS) was intalled 70 meters deep The U.N has also one for later Demolition. These "Mini Nukes" (0.1 -100 Kilotons Plutonium 239) are called SDAM & MADM with very small radiation.
reykool 11 months ago
Chalk one up for the truth. This guy is a real Patriot and thank GOD he hasn't been mysteriously murdered.
kansasisaband 1 year ago
Evidence. Good testimony. This tears the official story to pieces. Cheney is a criminal and needs to rot in prison. There is no crime greater than treason.
They are creating the police state out of this. It is happening right in front of our eyes.
EvanesEmperor 1 year ago
thank god someone in washington is honest.
mineta seems to be one of the few who chose to tell the truth. bless this man.
chattychar 1 year ago
What always bugs me is this: 1st plane hits the tower at 8:46, the second at 9:03. There is a no way that by accident two commercial jet liner hit the towers. That and phone responding stating that the planes were hi-jacked. Now, with this jets should have been dispatched to cover D.C., and arguably jets should have been dispatched all over the U.S. A 757 flies at an avg. of 500-600 mph, a F16's top speed is 1,300. There is no reason a F16 should have been over D.C.
damunson3 1 year ago
Mineta's testimony on Cheney's order for a stand down, Building 7 going down unjustifiably so, the disregard to Ground Zero workers and their health problems. I need not know more.
dabruin2 1 year ago 6
In his testimony Mineta states "There was a young man who had come in and said to the vice president, "The plane is 50 miles out. The plane is 30 miles out." And when it got down to, "The plane is 10 miles out," the young man also said to the vice president, "Do the orders still stand?" And the vice president turned and whipped his neck around and said, "Of course the orders still stand..."
Cheney's order to stand-down caused the young man to be concerend & confirm at 10miles! Inside Job!
dxvxvx 1 year ago 57
@dxvxvx "Cheney's order to stand-down caused the young man to be concerend & confirm at 10miles! Inside Job!
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PROVEN LIE
greywolf424 1 year ago 3
@dxvxvx "Stand Down" Disproven /watch?v=_xjBbqRJT7Q
greywolf424 1 year ago
@dxvxvx How was it an inside job, 1 guy at VT killed 32, 2-3 guys in Oklahoma City killed 168 and 19 guys plus a lot of help killed 2,800...with the right 19 guys and help u cud have pulled off the same thing...do u remember the things u cud bring on a plane pocket knifes, box cutters, an entire group of people who were in this country training everyday in flight schools under the watch of Bill Clinton (screwing women, creating internet jobs) while the 19 men were doing test runs...get a clue
Braves2995 9 months ago
@dxvxvx The order was not to stand down it was to shoot down the plane. Listen to the full testimony where he adds "Jets were scrambled form langley" Conspiracy nuts lie and make stuff up its reall sad. The order was about fighter jets to shoot the plane down. Get a clue
Kyles45Angel 9 months ago
@dxvxvx Of course that was in response to being asked if he knew that the shoot down order HAD been given. He was saying that the order, to shoot down incoming flights, still stands. Mineta is confirming this, not disputing it. It's very clear if you watch the entire question and not just the "truther" disinformation videos.
BriansVideoHobby 9 months ago
@BriansVideoHobby shut up fool
dxvxvx 9 months ago
@dxvxvx Have you even watched the interview? He's telling the commission it was a shoot down order. It's very clear.
BriansVideoHobby 9 months ago
@BriansVideoHobby he is neither telling the commission it was a shoot down order nor that it was a stand-down order, it is we that can logically deduce it was a stand-down order since Cheney knew there was a plane at 50miles out and the surface to air missiles were not activated
dxvxvx 9 months ago
@dxvxvx Actually, the incoming plane alerts were based on projections extrapolated from the planes previously known path and speed, not radar tracking. The plane they were warning about was already crashed in the field. Several people present confirmed the shoot down order was given by Cheney, confirmed again with Bush, and repeated. This same testimony is given by the people on the plane with Bush.
BriansVideoHobby 9 months ago
@BriansVideoHobby please provide the video evidence for your nonsense, the video evidence for what i say is ............eerrr above? CIA agents these days, desperados
dxvxvx 9 months ago
@dxvxvx The evidence is widely distributed in testimony and official documents. Mineta has given many different timelines along with some that would have been impossible. This is a dead horse long ago debunked.
BriansVideoHobby 9 months ago
@BriansVideoHobby your implying that Mineta changed his mind at each testimony where's the evidence? no its not a dead horse, its clear that its an inside job
dxvxvx 9 months ago
@dxvxvx No, in interviews with the press. The only thing that's clear is that "truthers" reject all evidence and just make shit up.
BriansVideoHobby 9 months ago
@BriansVideoHobby the truthers dont need to make shit up, mineta is doing all the talking you
dxvxvx 9 months ago 2
@BriansVideoHobby
Why won't the FBI release 84 tapes related to this (Pentagon) crash then? What are they afraid of? And don't even tell me that 5 frame joke of a film counts because you can't see anything except the tip something then a explosion with no plane debris anywhere. No luggage, no body parts, nothing. Nick Rockefeller told Aaron Russo 11 months before 9/11 that we were going to invade Iraq and Afghanistan. You are either a sock puppet for the D.O.J. or haven't done much research.
rmccay88 9 months ago
@rmccay88 That's just not true. There was plenty of debris documented in photos, video, and witness testimony. When an aluminum plane hits reinforced concrete at 500 MPH there are only going to be small body parts and there were. Wait, now the Rockefellers are in on it too? Seriously? What are we up to now? 4-5 thousand conspirators? I guess you aren't even aware that there is no Nicholas Rockefeller in the Rockefeller family. Don't let the facts get in your way.
BriansVideoHobby 9 months ago
@BriansVideoHobby
You never answered my question, why hasn't the FBI released the 84 tapes? Actually there is a Nick Rockefeller apart of the family...you clearly don't know shit. Now, I am not trying to say he is close with David Rockefeller or anything but I'd like you to watch the interview and dispute anything he says. Russo was friends with him for years, so it's not like he is making a off handed assertion like you are. And building 7 fell in under seven seconds with no plane being hit...
rmccay88 9 months ago
@rmccay88 I don't know that there are 84 tapes and I don't know why they haven't released them. I'll go with the 136 documented witnesses, including 8 pilots, that identified it as a large commercial passenger jet. Nick Rockefeller is NOT a part of the "Rockefellers" ie the rich family. He MAY be a very very distant cousin. Russo talks about Nick and then the Rockefeller Foundation as if Nick is somehow connected to the family. He is not. Russo is being deceptive.
BriansVideoHobby 9 months ago
@BriansVideoHobby
Fox New's own reporter among other ground witnesses say that it was not anything that looked like a AA plane. I concede that he is distant but he still is a CFR member and has most of the elite buddies as a result from his last name. But the one thing no one can explain is the massive stock speculation on future contracts betting that airlines and banks would go down just days 1-4 days before 9/11. In some cases, it was 90 times higher than normal put option averages...
rmccay88 9 months ago
@rmccay88 Actually, if you had bothered to look, you would know that 95% of the puts against the airlines were bought by one investment firm and they were to cover stock which they also bought. There is no mystery and it was not in the slightest an unusual move for them.
BriansVideoHobby 9 months ago
@BriansVideoHobby
What is that investment firm's name and have they been prosecuted? What about all the banks with even higher put options?
What you said in your last sentence is a total farce. I can tell you as someone who has past my Series Seven Exam and knows a lot about securities and exchanges that the only way people could bet 90-100 times more than a average on put options is if they had foreknowledge of events related to inside information.
rmccay88 9 months ago
@rmccay88 I have been trading for over 20 years. Anyone who says "it could only happen" this way or that has no idea what they are talking about. The put options were thoroughly investigated and they almost all led back to a cover play that was quite normal.
BriansVideoHobby 9 months ago
@BriansVideoHobby
Morgan Stanley, which saw an average of 27 put options on its stock bought per day before September 6, saw 2,157 put options bought in the three trading days before the attack. Merrill Lynch, which saw an average of 252 put options on its stock bought per day before September 5, saw 12,215 put options bought in the four trading days before the attack. Morgan Stanley's stock dropped 13% and Merrill Lynch's stock dropped 11.5% when the market reopened.
rmccay88 9 months ago
@BriansVideoHobby
That is just a small example, the airlines are even higher! As someone who past their series seven exam and knows a lot related to securities and exchanges, the only way that is "scientifically" possible is Insider Trading. The case below and the airlines is not merely a case of a little speculation, that is the classic case of people having foreknowledge of events that were about to occur. (Sorry it was so long)
rmccay88 9 months ago
@rmccay88 You act like the put options existed in a vacuum. There is abundant evidence that investors were being warned that the airlines were having trouble. AA had just come out with a report that they expected they would miss earnings. The levels of puts were not unusual and weren't even the highest of the year. Your term "scientifically" is in error. It was normal under the circumstances.
BriansVideoHobby 9 months ago
@BriansVideoHobby
Under normal circumanstances? That has to the most laughable thing I have ever heard being in the securities business. Anything more than 10-15 times above average for a company is enough to raise a red flag but 90 times above average? And just 1-3 days from 9/11? Wake the fuck up already. I presented all I can to you, no one with any rational thinking can possibly believe all those banks and airlines were due from usual market circumstances and not inside information.
rmccay88 9 months ago
@rmccay88 Dude, the same company also bought thousands of shares of stock on 9/10. The puts were a cover play on bad earnings news. Why don't you ever mention that?
BriansVideoHobby 9 months ago
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kidkong584 9 months ago
@dxvxvx At the end of that statement, Mineta testifies that Cheney said "Of course the orders still stand. Have you heard anything to the contrary?" It was Bush's call. I'm don't believe the Commission Report. It's physically impossible for a plane to do that. Especially with a pilot that couldn't control a Cessna 171. Regardless, to be a skeptic, you almost have to know the opposing view more than your own.
kidkong584 9 months ago
@dxvxvx Mineta's testimony also blows a hole through the official version of when Cheney knew of the events- long before Cheney and the Commission report stated. So either Mineta is a fantasist or Cheney and the Commission lied.
mizofan 8 months ago
@mizofan Mineta looks like a calm and collected person to me
dxvxvx 8 months ago
@dxvxvx Mineta would also have no obvious reason to lie, unlike Cheney and the Commission. The media of course has hardly rushed to publicise such things and all the lies and inconsistencies in the official version
mizofan 8 months ago
@mizofan exactly why would MIneta lie. Why would any person who speaks against the government lie when it could only get you in trouble. Unfortnately in we live in sophisticated dictatorships where choices are imposed on us - for example I want an interest-free based economy, will any party ever give me that choice, No, I have to choose what's imposed on me, i choose not to vote at all, a non-vote is a vote of no confidence in the system!
dxvxvx 8 months ago
@dxvxvx I understand a no vote as protest but it doesn't have the effect that a No Vote as an active vote that counts would have. I thinkj Non voters would need to mobilise for their non votes to be counted, in a No Vote protest party, which might shake things up. Anyway, you're right about lack of choice and lack of true democracy, but these are separate issues from the appalling govt crime of 9/11
mizofan 8 months ago
@mizofan lol "a No Vote protest party" sounds interesting. Lack of true democracy goes hand in hand with 9/11 as an inside job because it all falls under the umbrella of imperialism
dxvxvx 8 months ago
@dxvxvx exactally. If the fighter jets were out of range to respond, why would the aid ask if the order still stands? The shoot down order would only be relevent if they had the option to execute it with able fighter jets. The order could only have been to stand down because the Pentigon was hit. .
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dxvxvx 1 year ago
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dxvxvx 1 year ago 20
Has the question regarding what the order was been given to the "young man" that Cheney was in communication with. That guy would obviously know what the order was. Has he been summoned to speak under oath?
MiaRyanne 1 year ago
@babymalai
Really? Where have you been? Have you not heard Alex Jones and Jason Bermus accusing the firefighters of being in on it? Also that other rescue workers know the truth but were "paid off" to keep silent?
Have you not heard almost EVERY truther claiming that the FDNY demolished WTC7 on Silversteins orders to "pull it"?
Have you not heard that they claim that rescue and cleanup workers covered up the proof that WTC 1&2 were demolished?
Where have you been hiding?
jeffmay1 1 year ago
@jeffmay1 didn't know you were shilling for Leslie Robertson. Steven Jones has already taken him apart on his views.
atty1chgo 1 year ago
@atty1chgo
THE Steven Jones that has zero engineering background took apart the guy that helped design the building?
The Steven Jones whose claim to fame before 9/11 was a paper wrote that he has proof that Jesus Christ visited America?
THAT Steven Jones?
jeffmay1 1 year ago
@jeffmay1 There is a transcript of the Robertson-Jones interview on Journal for 9/11 Studies. YouTube won't allow me to post the cite, but it is there. I am sending it to you by YouTube e-mail.
Robertson was embarrassingly inept and stupid for "a guy that helped design the building".
atty1chgo 1 year ago
@jeffmay1 - From Gregg Roberts: In a 1993 Seattle Times article, Skilling was described as the head structural engineer.1 Robertson was not mentioned there, nor in an article in the Engineering News-Record that discussed the design in 1964.In City in the Sky, Robertson is called the “rising young engineer with Skilling's firm” and-coming engineers on [Skilling’s] staff,” Skilling’s “young associate,” whom Skilling “assigned… to help him prepare a proposal”
atty1chgo 1 year ago
to the Port Authority’s board. Skilling’s firm was named Worthington, Skilling, Helle, and Jackson. Clearly, Skilling was a senior partner at the firm and Robertson was his subordinate. The tallest building his firm had designed before then was 22 stories tall. to the Port Authority’s board. Skilling’s firm was named Worthington, Skilling, Helle, and Jackson.
atty1chgo 1 year ago
Clearly, Skilling was a senior partner at the firm and Robertson was his subordinate. The tallest building his firm had designed before then was 22 stories tall. It hardly seems likely that he sat back and smoked cigars while the 34-year-old Robertson – who at the beginning of the project had a bachelor's only in science and not in engineering – went off and designed the Towers without supervision..
atty1chgo 1 year ago
The project would clearly have had Skilling’s full attention. The point is not merely about whether Robertson intentionally allowed the host to inflate his résumé for him, though that would be unethical enough. Skilling made a number of factual claims about the World Trade Center towers’ design strengths that disagree with Robertson’s. Having died in 1998, Skilling is not alive to defend those claims or the conclusions they support.
atty1chgo 1 year ago
@babymalai
Your comments make no sense. The Truther version of events claim that the "brave first responders" were in on the plan. You are saying the truth will come out and it will be justice for the "brave first responders. Pick a side already!!
jeffmay1 1 year ago
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At 9:20 Mineta enters the PEOC, sees Cheney. At 9:25, Mineta hears Cheney confirm the stand down protocol, CJCSI 3610.01A by saying, "Of course the orders still stand. Have you heard anything to the contrary?"
charlesfloyb 1 year ago
HAHAHA..TRUTHERS are so silly...I have video of Jason Berman telling Norman Minettas story of hearing Cheney give the "Direct Stand Down Order". Ok, he said this was his best evidence 9/11 was an inside job..But then I also have him saying that no plane hit the pentagon..Does that make any sense..his best evidence is that Cheney would not shoot down the plane headed for the Pentagon that doesnt exist..LOL.they dont even realize that doesnt make sense.like 93,,was shot down,next it doesnt exist.
JPPolachek 1 year ago
@JPPolachek
Haha, that is SO true! Good point, well said!
jeffmay1 1 year ago
@babymalai.... I hear you :).... well, I think it is because of various reasons...I wonder the same thing myself...sometimes people don't want to think about these things possibly being true- or they 'don't want to know'...(I have had many people come right out and say things like this scare them, etc... but, also, there are people who are part of the cover-up that circulate misinformation, so...
kittenrenea 1 year ago
NORAD can't do much if the FAA doesn't keep them updated on where the hijacked planes are.
Going to Iraq all for oil??? So where is it? Why is it that 8 yrs later the U.S. still gets less than 5% of it's oil from Iraq?
jeffmay1 1 year ago
Just think, our govt could settle this entire debate by releasing the video it has of the plane hitting the pentagon. Or somehow explain the engineering failure of building 7.
sheeplehelper 1 year ago 3
The gov't has better things to worry about then to settle some youtube debate amongst a select few paranoid conspiracy nuts. For normal people, the plane debris, witnesses, damage path, black boxes and passenger DNA settled it a long time ago.
jeffmay1 1 year ago
look, i dont believe the official story but it is obvious here that mineta is saying cheney gave this fellow orders to shoot down the plane and was pissed that the man asked if the orders still stand.
qualityrkc 2 years ago
Why is it the pentagon and no other buildings were evacuated yet cheney was?
The coward scum ran away like a girlie and let soldiers die in the pentagon FACT?
zzxzqwq 2 years ago
Umm no. The whole thing was staged
1madaboutguitar 2 years ago 2
Ummm no. I have said Cheney allowed it to happen.
zzxzqwq 2 years ago
Yes but its not all down to one person. Its the illuminate
1madaboutguitar 2 years ago
OK, this is all suspicious, but one thing about the truthers I don't get. Maybe you can enlighten me. They say that a 757 didn't even hit the Pentagon, which is a reasonable assumption based on the size of the hole and wreckage (or lack thereof). Yet they also interpret this testimony by Mineta as Cheney ordering a stand-down on that 757 so it can hit the Pentagon.. which contradicts the idea that a 757 didn't hit the Pentagon in the first place... so... maybe the order wasn't for a 757?
trtnec 2 years ago
Well, whether or not flight 77 actually hit the Pentagon is irrelevant; we know it was en route at some point. And if Cheney was in on the events of that day, he would have to appear as if all this was a surprise (even though, behind the scenes, a few people, like the unidentified man that Mineta refers to would have alternate orders which still stood).
So regardless of what eventually hit the Pentagon is irrelevant to Cheney's stand down orders concerning flight 77.
anima715 2 years ago
it was my understanding that that (nor any) plane never hit the Pentagon and the people and the plane were taken to God knows where-have you seen 'Loose Change' ? and 'L.C. Final Cut' ? If you haven't , you need to-excellent resource! God bless :)
kittenrenea 2 years ago
Dylan Avery himself claims (you can watch the clip in my favourites) that his Loose Change movies "contain errors, makes dubious claims, and come to conclusions not backed up by the facts" His exact words. So if you are watching his movie as a "documentary" you are in big trouble. Even he doesn't claim that
jeffmay1 1 year ago
@jeffmay1... with all due respect, I have been researching the government and the Illuminati for years, so believe me, I don't just look at one source for my information/information gathering/or to form an opinion....wow! that is amazing that he said those things (if he said those things, kinda makes me wonder what motivated him to say them...)
kittenrenea 1 year ago
@jeffmay1... hey- just went to your favorites and the only Dylan Avery video I saw (I watched) didn't contain what you said is in your favorites- could you please tell me the clip where he says this- you said it was in your favorites... thank-you :)
kittenrenea 1 year ago
"WHICH ORDERS?"
The orders to shoot down planes that are suspected as hijacked!!!!!! Are you not paying attention? It was even part of the question he was just asked!
jeffmay1 2 years ago
But he specifically said he did not hear orders to shoot down the planes he said he presumed they were order to shoot down the planes.
zzxzqwq 2 years ago
A plane 50 miles out, and yet they did not evacuate,. It makes no sense. As for three planes they should have stopped all planes at the second one.
zzxzqwq 2 years ago
Evacuate from where? They knew a plane was heading towards Washington, they had no idea the Pentagon was the target.
jeffmay1 2 years ago
What! So they evacuated the white house but noy anywhere else that is the worst excuse i have ever seen. The fact they did not know where it was heading when builds had been hit in new york should made them evacuate all major structures.
zzxzqwq 2 years ago
DC is a no fly zone for commercial planes within 10 minutes with out response it is protocol for a plane to intercept it, before that when a plane goes of tract if it does not respond with in 10 minutes time it will be intercepted, there was more than enough time to avoid this madness, I am a military brat grandfather fought in ww2, Korea, Vietnam, my father fought in Desert storm and can tell you about the evils of our government
drrckmtthws 2 years ago
DC was NOT a no fly zone. The Reagan airport is seconds from the Pentagon. Hundreds of commercial planes flew right over it everyday. Before 9/11 the only plane to be intercepted over U.S. soil took 76 minutes to intercept. Being a military brat does not give you the right to just make shit up!
jeffmay1 2 years ago
DC itself is not a no-fly zone. But the Pentagon and White House are Class Bravo airspace, which is AUTOMATIC SHOOT DOWN authority.
atty1chgo 2 years ago 34
There has never been and still isn't such thing as an AUTOMATIC SHOOT DOWN!
jeffmay1 2 years ago
I stand corrected. The Class Bravo airspace over DC (White House, Capitol etc) was declared a "no-fly zone" that morning, which did not need any further shootdown order to be issued, but the no-fly zone was not declared until after the Pentagon strike.
atty1chgo 2 years ago
@atty1chgo
Not pre-911 it wasn't!
jeffmay1 1 year ago
@jeffmay1 - It is my opinion that Cheney gave a standdown order prior to Mineta entering the PEOC.
atty1chgo 1 year ago
@atty1chgo
You can have any opinion you want. Your opinion however, is not backed up by the facts
jeffmay1 1 year ago
@jeffmay1 e-mail me at atty1chgo where the mail is hot, and I will send you the paper I wrote on the subject.
atty1chgo 1 year ago
@atty1chgo It's not automatic shoot down because Rumsfeld changed the policy three months prior, said it has to go through him at the DoD. For some reason he was unreachable despite the fact he says he was in his office at the pentagon. Listen to norad tapes.
CoverFireHero 7 months ago
@atty1chgo i guess they shoot down all those commercial flights that take off from regan national airport and fly directly over the pentagon dozens of times an hour..
cjnewson88 4 months ago
How could the terrorist turn off the transponders? :/
MustacheVerra 2 years ago
They use their hands
jeffmay1 2 years ago
So you're a shill assign here to defend the official story? ;)
MustacheVerra 2 years ago
Why is Yoututbe deleting these videos? I smell a rat - anyone else?
BrimstoneAlpha 2 years ago 3
3:05
2 is a trend?
3 is a plan?
Maybe in some things but when two planes hit each of the WTC Twin Towers, it is not 'a trend' (it's statistically highly improbable to say the least) ... it is a plan (by someone). That was a very weird thing to say.
Anyway, the "orders" behind the famous remarks by Cheney which he heard really need to be exposed (like everything else)
zetetic0void 2 years ago
we demand answers.
yesrdevries 3 years ago 5
The Commission report left out Mineta for good reason, and they also even had to overrule Cheney himself for the times of his awareness, to justify the failings. Not just Mineta, but testimony of Laura Brown, Jane Garvey, Gen Richard Clarke all very important and suppressed. So many other contradictions, lies, distortions, suppressions, coincidences, and continued by the shamefully compliant media. The planes should have been intercepted, there was plenty of time, but weren't.
mizofan 3 years ago 3
The Commission report did NOT leave out Mineta, did you actually read it? Or just repeating some comment you heard from someone else?
As for the planes being intercepted, NORAD did not have enough time. The FAA did not keep them informed in a timely fashion. Plus, at one point, they were tracking up to 15 planes that they thought were hijacked, are you suggesting that they should have shot them all down? Good thing they didn't, or the death toll for 9/11 would be much higher.
jeffmay1 2 years ago
They new the planes were arriving when they were 50 miles out, they had stinger missiles that can shoot down planes this excuses is not acceptable. The Virginia beach has huge numbers of aircraft and army stugg.
zzxzqwq 2 years ago
There is no way that they could have shot down flight 77 in time. They knew it was 50 miles out but had no way to do anything about it.
jeffmay1 2 years ago
Yes they could. It was 50 miles out they had stinger missiles on the white house which can shoot planes down from two miles. They have numerous army and navy bases in the region. They evacuated the white house before the pentagon was hit.
zzxzqwq 2 years ago 2
"WARGAMES" DISTRACTION in NY [911-2001]
In New York, over 3,000 innocents killed!
Like innocent lambs to the slaughter.
"WARGAMES" DISTRACTION in London [7-7-2005]
In London, hundreds of innocent people were injured & many innocents killed.
Like innocent lambs to the slaughter.
In both places the Governments wanted to ensure a crystallising event could ensure enough "SHOCK" to "green-light" the Government to shift balance of power from citizens to US president & UK prime minister!
philnottinghill 3 years ago 2
KINDLY CONNECT dots - to unscramble jigsaw puzzle. A CLEAR picture emerges.
On "911" [code for emergency] "WARGAMES" were taking place under command of Dick CHENEY in PEOC routed through to NORAD [Cheyenne, CO]!
On very day of 911 2001 in NY there were "WARGAMES" organised through v-p - to act as "distraction"!
ON the same day of 7-7-2005 in London, British "Security Service" (MI5) outsourced "WARGAMES" to VISOR Consultants did same thing at SAME rail stations where bombs were planted!
philnottinghill 3 years ago
Aaron RUSSO reminded us that the "911" was a deceit/fraud on US citizens teated like ignorant fools that could be easily duped at "the wink of an eye" - to crystallise a "New World Order" (NWO) controlled by the International Bankers [David ROCKEFELLER of 146 East 65 Street, NY 10021] that control the world's financial system.
The Official "911" Report was total whitewash.
Lee Hamilton was appointed Chairman - a friend of GWBush.
What of the "WARGAMES" controlled by Cheney from PEOC?
philnottinghill 3 years ago
It is EXTREMELY reassuring to be reminded again & again that very many great US citizens who believe fervently in the US Constitution & rights & liberties enshrined therein.
You are intelligent, astute, wise & intuitive
people & will NOT be brainwashed by the Rupert Murdoch controlled "Fox" & CFR controlled media - but those who think they are in CONTROL [as Privately controlled Federal Reserve] try to demonise the 911 wise academics & intelligent citizens who get through the OFFICIAL lies!
philnottinghill 3 years ago
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9/11 was an inside job
venturafor2012 3 years ago
it´s only pure common sense...
saxoniano 3 years ago
Mineta, as naive as all human race, really believed in hijacked planes.....Cheney knew the Pentagon had to get hit by a missile and he had to allow it....You can´t hit yourself...can You ?
saxoniano 3 years ago
at the Pentagon Cheney gave orders not to intercept the flight and we all know that the flight going to the Pentagon was allowed to get closer...Cheney gace that orders because he knew that this flight was going to release the missile that hit the building...
saxoniano 3 years ago
harpert,
there is much to say about that day and what happened at the Pentagon is just a clear example of what generally is going on in the USA. President Bush knew about the attack but he is not most powerful person in USA as those you paid his campaign are....said that President Bush had to give orders to destroy any possible menace, but at that point WTC were hit already ( Afghanistan and Silverstein are set . We all know that only one jet hit WTC, all the others are fake..
saxoniano 3 years ago
I don't agree with any planes being faked yet I still question whether or not a commercial jet hit the Pentagon per the official version. I've seen footage from different angles of what looked like a missile being fired at the South tower secs before the jet hit it. Faked? Hard to say since I saw footage from different angles. Check out thepentacon . com site, if you want to read about another point of view regarding the Pentagon attack. Can you back up your opinions with examples?
harpert55 3 years ago
president bush gave the order to terminate hijacked flights and Cheney gave the order to stand down...as simple as that
saxoniano 3 years ago
9/11 Comm. Rpt, pg. 40, 2nd para, last sentence, Cheney was in tunnel he found out about the Pentagon attack.
Cheney/Russert Interview, May 16, 2001: Cheney came from tunnel into PEOC, saw Mineta, and in short order learned of the attack while in PEOC.
CONCLUSION: Interview said Cheney was in PEOC when he received info on attack. Rpt almost 3 years later said Cheney was in tunnel during attack. Both sentences point to a contradiction and a COVER-UP(?) to keep Mineta's testimony from rpt.
harpert55 3 years ago
I cannot accept what was said on pages 40 and 41 of the report at all based on the contradiction with the Russert/Cheney interview - rpt and interview are on official sites. To me, the contradiction points to lies and a cover-up in the report and no shoot down order ever occurring. Unless we are informed about official logs regarding Cheney's supposed conversation with Bush occurring at all, I cannot accept the report. What is not explained is "Do the orders still stand?"
harpert55 3 years ago
The cover-up implies that Cheney was not in tunnel when he was told the Pentagon attack. If Mineta's testimony is true, Cheney was busy following the incoming plane info from the aide. Attack occurred at around 9:37. Hence, no orders from Cheney in the tunnel at 9:37 per rpt. Rpt said at 9:58 he arrived in PEOC, AFTER ATTACK. Interview & Mineta say Cheney was in PEOC BEFORE THE ATTACK.
harpert55 3 years ago
Since Mineta was never mentioned ever being in PEOC, can only conclude what Cheney heard were the stand down orders still stand based on "JCS Instruction (CJCSI 3610.01A), dated June 1, 2001, called AIRCRAFT PIRACY (HIJACKING) AND DESTRUCTION OF DERELICT AIRBORNE OBJECTS assuming that's real. Reference to order in report to shoot down the 80 mile out plane was thought to be Flt 93& I doubt that conversation occurred either, hence pgs 40-41 not true & shoot down orders were never given. All LIES.
harpert55 3 years ago
Quoting 9/11 Commission Report, page 40, last sentence of 1st complete paragraph: ..."He learned in the tunnel that the Pentagon had been hit, and he saw television coverage of smoke coming from the building."
Quoting the May 16, 2001, interview:
..."I went down into what's call a PEOC, the Presidential Emergency Operations Center, and there, I had Norm Mineta..."
Scrolling down, read:
"But when I arrived there within a short order, we had word the Pentagon's been hit."
COVER-UP!
harpert55 3 years ago
Show me where that's documented. Hamilton's quote isn't enough to convince me he was speaking specifically of orders against Pentagon attack acft. Have you read Mineta's testimony, 9/11 Commission Report (pgs 40-41 in particular) & Cheney/Russert Sept 16, 2001 "Meet the Press" interview to compare all presented? Are you aware Bush & Cheney met w/ selected 9/11 Commission Rpt members w/ unsworn/undocumented discussions? Orders Hamilton mentioned smacked of pg 41 alluding to Flt 93 - lies?
harpert55 3 years ago
The report on pg 40 specifically mentions in the para heading, "United 93 and the Shootdown Order". Pg 41, conversation aide mentioned to Cheney about an acft that was 80 miles out - reminds me of what Mineta heard about mileage countdown. Flt 93 never got w/in 80 miles of DC. Pg 41., IMO, that scenario never happened & neither did shootdown order mentioned that way (on Pg 41). Rpt does not mention any order regarding Pentagon acft since Cheney was not reported being in PEOC during attack.
harpert55 3 years ago
Give us your sources and quotes to support your statement...
harpert55 3 years ago
the hijacked plane was on a direct course with washington dc. not south dakota, new mexico, or the atlatic ocean. and after two previous attacks they still stand down. dc is the 2cnd most protected city in the US, if not new york. and we couldnt even get a propeller plane in the air.
squibit7 3 years ago
HONESTLY its difficult to me that people that has investigated a little bit 9/11 still believe the gov, but what is amazing is people that seen this video of mineta,,,,dont understand the meaning of it,,,,when its so clear, by the way you seen the hole of the building, you seen the 330º turn before crashing? at 500 mph? you seen what professional pilots thing about that move? and fly over 60 cm the floor?,,,you seen the big line of people taking evidence from the grass,,,why? ,,,,sheeps...
martyr2005 3 years ago
Prove ANYTHING you claim true with FACT.
lgradyl 3 years ago
i thought i had explain myself ok , lets try again, supose the orders were shot down plane by hijakers,,,at 50 miles they had a chance to do it,,,why they dont do it at 50 miles,,,then the plane is 30,,,and still dont shot??, and if the orders where to shot why the soldier ask again? if the orders still on,why pentagon hit?,,obviously the orders is let the plane crash because is a militar plane and it will got to an empty section of the building,,,anyway if was like you say WHY NOT EVACUATED?
martyr2005 3 years ago
If you watch the whole interview...the planes were still 10 miles out when flight 77 crashed. They were on their way.
lgradyl 3 years ago
guys its quite simple forget about,,,the orders of cheney we dont know if he said dont shoot at it, or stand down (i think are both) the point is,,,AND OBJECT a global hawk, a missil or an AA, WAS GONNA HIT PENTAGON AND THEY KNEW IT , AND THEY DONT EVACUATE THE PENTAGON?????..probably you know that the path of the plane was going to hit west side donald rumsfeld office , but then changed making a riskY turn and hit an emptY section in the EAST of the building,,,,lol,,,THEY KNEW IT WHERE ...
martyr2005 3 years ago
How can you say in the same argument Why dont they shoot the plane down, AND claim there is no plane. There was no stand down order. If you watched the Mineta testimony yourself, he witnesses a young man come into the bunker of the White House and ask Cheney if the order still stands. Cheney says "Of course they stand!" What conspiracy theorists DONT tell you is that the order was TO SHOOT DOWN ANY PLANE KNOWN TO BE CONTROLLED BY TERRORISTS. Its right there in the EXACT same testimony!
lgradyl 3 years ago
and one more thing,,,,i never said there is no plane ,,,,you see you only read what you want to read,,,the same in beliving your goverment,i said "and object a global hawk (plane) a missil (i suppose you know a missil can be very similar to a plane), and AA (american airline comercial airliner),,,,SO DEBUNKED what you say that i "claimed there isnt a plane",,,,
martyr2005 3 years ago
Explain why 95% of flight 93 was recovered, yet no parts of any missle. I dont believe the government. I believe the evidence.
lgradyl 3 years ago
i explain you, is like i say i recovered 160 % of the plane,,,,is the same thing a lie !!!!!!
you never seen the famous crater? the dark marks that is suposed to be wings mark,,,and they were already there in 1994 !!????
93% recovered who told you this the goverment? there are some videos here in you tube of people who was there and after 20 minutes,they quit,,,,they were nothing but dirt and ash, no plane no blood bla bla bla.....
watch?v=-59kouBgO_s
watch?v=aLJ7jEpmapQ
martyr2005 3 years ago
They weren't Cheney's orders to give. Just uphold.
lgradyl 3 years ago
How does the whitehouse explain this away? What has cheney said about this?
tbgx1 3 years ago
Cheney sure acts like a psychopath. Wonder if he is?
WHATZY 3 years ago
You guys are right. 9/11 wasn't what the media said it was. I was jacking off to some donkey porn with my enormous wang (just out of frame on the security camera footage), and I shot my giant load at the Pentagon. It is the white streak you see. Also, at that very second, a UFO piloted by Elvis and Genghis Kahn also crashed into the outer ring.
Perhaps someday the rest of America will know the real truth about 9/11. I'd tell more truth, but I think I hear the black helicopters.
Gotta run!
emilyek1 3 years ago
nice interview by Mineta. It definately shows a conflict in the timeline by the official narrative and what Mineta ended up testifying to. And, if Mineta's inference of a shootdown order is incorrect, then the orders were to stand down on AA77 or whatever was coming into the Pentagon. And yes, I could never understand how the Pentagon is called "protected air space" if they can't shoot enemy combatants down on the spot.
charlesfloyb 3 years ago
I don't accept rpt's "Flight 93 and the Shootdown Order section at all! All you read in the rpt was after 9:58 - AFTER PENTAGON ATTACK THAT occurring @ ~9:37. MINETA SAID HE SAW CHENEY IN PEOC PRIOR TO PENTAGON ATTACK & I ASSUME DURING ATTACK! RPT SAID HE WAS IN THE TUNNEL DURING ATTACK. CHENEY, IN HIS INTERVIEW W/ RUSSERT ON 9/16/01, SAID HE WAS W/ MINETA IN PEOC & IN SHORT ORDER WAS TOLD OF THE PENTAGON ATTACK! GET IT FOLKS??? FLT 93 SECTION IS AUTH. TO ENGAGE - TIMES & DISTANCES - ALL BS!
harpert55 3 years ago
"Makes sense, huh?"
Uh?
... yeah, sure it does....
...There are no land based air defenses in the Continental United States... yeah, that makes sense...
How's the weather in "La La land"?
z8it 3 years ago
he's my half brother's father in law
deaddaveydkh 3 years ago
Who?
Dick Cheney or "the young man"?
What does HE say?
z8it 3 years ago
Norm
deaddaveydkh 3 years ago
3:02 into the tape, Mineta says he said, "Monty, bring all the airplanes down." This is just another contradiction with the official story which says the 3rd in command ordered all the planes down. Remember there was no shoot down order given until 10:18 A.M. Eastern, thus making it impossible for Mineta to overhear a shootdown order at 9:20 A.M. Eastern by Dick Cheney and the young man.
charlesfloyb 3 years ago
What does Mineta have to say about the military 'wargames' taking place on the same morning as the 9-11 attacks?
rg2027x 3 years ago
odd, but whenever we watch Minetas testimony, he NEVER says its a stand down order. In fact, he was clear it was a shoot down order.
ooops.
EdgemanLL2 3 years ago
well they just failed once again cant do shit right.
must increase spending, must take away our rights.
then ,,then they might do something correct right.
wrong!
occision 3 years ago
"odd, but whenever we watch Minetas testimony, he NEVER says its a stand down order. In fact, he was clear it was a shoot down order.
ooops"
Ooops you're an idiot?
eversincealways 3 years ago
Good argument eversincealways. Whenever you can't disprove that it was in fact a shootdown order, not a standdown order, just call the guy an idiot and be on your merry way back to 9/11 truth circle jerks.
Yay! For more idiots who mindlessly believe there was an inside job without any substantial evidence.
SSky06 3 years ago
"Yay! For more idiots who mindlessly believe there was an inside job without any substantial evidence."
Sorry you failed to read my previous comments in favor of putting words in m mouth. I guess that makes you an idiot too. I said nothing about standing or shooting down. If you want to wax semantics, blow my mind--not smoke up my ass.
eversincealways 3 years ago
Your previous comments? You have commented twice on this page: once above (the one I replied too) and the response to me.
I guess that doesn't make me an idiot, and makes you an even bigger dipshit than before. Do you even know where you are?
SSky06 3 years ago
"Your previous comments? You have commented twice on this page: once above (the one I replied too) and the response to me."
I commented quite a bit more. As for what the owner of the thread censors, I can't say. And yes, not taking this point into consideration further cements your idiocy.
"I guess that doesn't make me an idiot, and makes you an even bigger dipshit than before. Do you even know where you are?"
Do you know how respond outside of baseless, irrelevant, ad homonym attacks?
eversincealways 3 years ago
Yeah, it's not like we live in a country that had a military to defend its capitol or anything.
3456ws 3 years ago 2
Cheney's a fucking Nazi just like Bush
freein2339 3 years ago
Maybe because the fighter plane was still ten minutes out when the plane hit the pentagon.
elfbug 3 years ago
Again...
WHY?
All the testimony indicates that there is an incoming threat 50 miles out... right? So what? We don't think that's a good enough reason to scramble a few more planes?
Or even; just point a SAM at the damn thing?
Hell!
We had been under attack and at WAR for over an hour!
z8it 3 years ago
Do you have any idea how fast planes cover 50 miles? Like, honestly? Ever flown on a plane? Once the plane is 50 miles out, and the fighter jets have to come from Langley, the