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  • Particles don't stop getting smaller infinitely small particles are everywhere

  • Awwww yes the shift is coming. We are on our way to the 4th and 5th dimension. Does it really sound that crazy now? We are all just energy. The Illuminati have been stealing our energy for thousands of years. Thier time is ending. The Feminine must now take it's rule. LOVE is the answer. Be the change you want to see....Ghandi

  • @Lysanderkuz actually you're narrow minded. materialism is not a theory it can be used against you in a court of law. why is the sky blue? why is the grass green? why do we all bleed red? id like to meet the stranger that can see a green sky, red grass and bleed blue. until then everything that we see is real and the only connections we make is through mature communication. if you're in pain or had a sickness i wouldn't know unless you told me. we are not one

  • @Biv1987

    You commented that, "materialism is not a theory it can be used against you in a court of law."

    Pardon the interruption, but I fail to see what whether materialism can be used in any court of law or not has to do with whether materialism is a theory or not.

  • @Biv1987

    You also commented that, "if you're in pain or had a sickness i wouldn't know unless you told me."

    I disagree with you on that. Someone telling you that he or she is in pain (or is sick) would not cause you to have knowledge of whether that person really is in pain (or really is sick). The person could - for example - be lying to you about being in pain, or could be mistaken about having whatever sickness he or she claims to have.

  • this is retarded. the big bang is still only a theory. most theories have been proven wrong or has had a fault that proves them incorrect to be supported. we're not all interconnected I don't have aids and i cant claim poverty or crime to be parallel to my reality. I'm not a dream cause the bills don't pay them selves. wake up you cant respond to my comment in a rude manner and still believe "we are one"

  • @Biv1987 What you are saying seems very narrow minded to me. We only know what registers on our own nervous system (not to mention the interpretation of the information) with our limited senses. Therefore, why should we believe that the world is anything like the way we perceive? If most theories are to be disproven, why believe the theory of materialism to be true? (I'm not saying you believe this but the say you speak sure sounds like you do)

  • @Lysanderkuz

    You asked, "Why should we believe that the world is anything like the way we perceive?"

    SHOULD we believe that? Or how about this - should anyone assume that his or her apparent perceiving of reality is an actual perceiving of any of reality at all, and if so why should anyone assume that?

  • Law of attraction. We are one.

  • We are energy(:

  • @yymproductions, 1st truely apprecaite your respect for others that is nice to see for a change :) I am glad people are starting to realize all the problems with the big bang, and evolution. They way I look at it, people are starting to get closer. The issue I have is all the people who do not give the bible the chance it rightfully deserves. There are many facts the bible talks about such as the universe expanding that people just couldn't have known 2000+ years ago. it was written there first

  • This is definitly not biblical, our God spoke the world into exsistance. God made it perfectly clear all men came from Adam and Jesus came from blood line of Adam and only people from the line of Adam can be saved. To theorize this is totally outside the bible and scripture.

  • in the beginning there was nothing? how do you know for certain? what if you're wrong? read the latest quantum physics articles about the "beginning" and see for yourself. the "nothing" doesn't or didn't exist.

  • @yymproductions how do you know for certain? know... Prov2:1-5 knowledge needs to be sought after as hidden treasure... and it is the knowledge of the truth that will set you free. The truth is that Jesus Christ created this world and everything in it... Hope leads to knowledge. If you do not believe in the truth will you ever come to know the truth?There was a man who sought knowledge... and yet many choose not to believe in his testimony. Joseph Smith

  • @knowledge999999999 jesus christ or christianity might be your belief system, I don't doubt that or anyone's belief system. the only thing I'm saying is, and actually it is not me who is saying it, that there are alot of problems with the big bang theory respectively with the idea that "in the beginning there was nothing". You are saying that Jesus Christ is the truth. Well yes, it is your truth but I think it's wrong to say, others are wrong or those who don't believe in JC are wrong.

  • @knowledge999999999 Joseph smith was a fraud. scientists are seeking for knowledge.

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  • An individual uses reasoning technique to convince him/herself to do what she/he really wants. In one side of human nature, we want money, power, fame which has been dramatically intensified due to way we choosed or made to live. The same individual looks for the ways to convince others to do what she/he wants.

    Have you ever been in a picnic? What do you think the beauty of life itself is?

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  • We live in a "HoloFractoGraphic BinaToroidal SpaceTime Manifold" of a universe. Grand Unified theory has been confirmed a long time ago (D.B. Larson tried to get this out in 78...the Mayans even knew!), and has been used against us in the form of beam weapons, hurricane creation, even free energy to power black projects off the books(grid). This is the biggest secret, and is what ALL the occult fraternal symbols refer to (not good/evil). Check out Nassim Haramein's work, he explains well...

  • hahahahha i love you americans how you talk about this stuff...

    only i can say is every electron orbiting around a proton of every material in the universes is Gods ENERGY!!

    scientists know there is nothing in between the proton and electron so that tells we dont excist...

    we hindus say life is a illusion the soul is infinite :D

    i have a video quantum machanics on my page check it out :P

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  • real is the electrical signals interpreted by your brain.. knowing that electricity AND the brain does not exist as well.. what else is there to define?

  • The Scientific Method.. Applying Hypothesis before testing variables according to the group consciousness of agreeing on one solution can be the basis of manipulating creation, and can be the purpose of creating measurable 'stuff' which are just part of the God's dream.

  • There's a constant to the physical realm that many explanations of matter over-look ...

    the spiritual realm - Humanity; that we are.

    angrydude net

  • I'm sick of this primitive representation of atomic structure. what happened to electron shells and energy levels? these explanations make a lot more sense if you consider orbitals. the actual structure of orbitals agrees a lot more with the Quantum Structure than does this silly idea of little balls buzzing around a nucleus. cool vid anyway.

  • BRAHMAN IS THE ULTIMATE TRUTH

  • Right: Science tells us that each and every one of us is an intricate part of the Universe. We are connected, at all times, and in all places to SPACE-TIME which had no beginning and will have no end. Why? Because SPACE-TIME curves back on itself. It is an eternal circle. From nothing comes nothing.

     Space-Matter-Time have always been.

  • @Avalon400 space time is infinite only if it has a specific shape....

  • I've been hip to this since "What the bleep?" That movie opened my mind.

  • i just think no one knows anything and we're all stupid. including these scientists. And Life isnt an illusion its life and its everything we know, witch isnt much but fuck it im rollin with it.

  • as much as i wanna like this video, im too thick to follow wtf they are going on about, although im sure its very relevant and interesting...

  • @rarebit1980 lol, well if you want to apreciate this better go wikipedia, or look up postmodernism and should be clearer. Best of luck

  • Free your self from individual thinking, we part of this nature, we are part of everything. Challenge yourself free your thoughts from all influences that prevent you from recognize who you really are. open your mind

  • I believe this is all just rhetoric; you can make certain people believe anything with enough of it.

  • These guys are so brilliant, do me a favor. Create a washing machine that washes, and dries my clothes, all with 1 machine. So I don't have to come back in 30 minutes and put them in the "dryer". Save me some space-time, if you know what I mean.

  • @Mrgalacticone True but lakes any value. It is destined to fall.

  • @autonify Lakes any value? What does that mean?

  • @autonify Got your message. The guys I was talking about are these guys here on this video. Well most of them. The spiritual dudes are coming from a religious point of view.but the science guys, come on! Build me a washing machine\dryer. I'll trip if someone actually comes along and creates one. Well, just gave another million dollar idea away for free...Dam, I hate when that happens.

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  • Of course we can only sense the existence of a thing in relation with other things (reference point) if you want to remove the reference point you make yourself incapable for detection but it doesn't mean it is not there.

    Shown approach was the most illogical way I have ever seen but Interesting philosophy for creating further illusion in public mind.

  • ...What it means is Zion is not Zion, and Neo is "The One"

  • so if you exist n my subconciousness then....lol i can kill you all

  • Can someone please explain this to me in a way a fourteen year old can understand? This sounds very interesting but most of it i cannot comprehend...

  • this song is annoying after looping it for 10 mins

  • When nothing became self aware, being infinite possibility it created the universe of physical matter in order to explore itself subjectively. This is who you are, your perceived personality is just an idea within this consciousness. Wake up! Wake Up! Wake Up! You are god, this is the "emptiness" talked about in eastern religion. Nothing, infinite possibility.. everything... God.. consciousness.. you.

  • Yes, they exist. Only in your subconciousness.

  • So, to apply this to manifesting our own destiny... How? Get me outside of this box! Is believing seeing? Do we need to awaken the entire population of this planet? Of this universe? I'm experiencing a mind boggle.

  • @90JohnDoe yeah you need to be awaken by Illuminati where you are a worker ant and they are you Queen. This world you think you are living in is just a perceived personality.

    If any conscious left on you you will know the False and the Truth.

  • @autonify ALL HAIL TO THE COLLECTIVE.

  • how dare you dislike somethin like this that is so profound? as if you you have the answer to all questions...lol

  • Reality exists this can be proved from our innate human senses. Although we perceive reality in a one of many levels, our reality is only what we can perceive. Consciousness is something out of the ordinary because the mind can explore all of reality, at Least conceptually, this is what intervenes everything, it is not god, just because it is consciousness you want to label it a human like power or god/Jesus Christ.

  • How you can say that matter doesn't exist if we see it, hear it, feel it. Nothing can be created from nothing, so it exist. Even illusion is reality in our own mind.

  • @sauroman1 In my dreams i can see, hear and feel things so that means that they exist.

  • Everything Issa kind of like a dream. Think about having a dream in your sleep, and thinking about realizing that you are dreaming. Now do it while you're awake, realize you're dreaming. It is interesting

  • What holds it all together is God and we are all one in Christ. Science is doing a superb job of discovering God. I love it!

  • So, what I gathered from the beginning was that if each atom is only visible or created if someone looks for it, the very fabric of this "realm" or reality is a collective creation of all of the human beings on this planet? Just seeking clarification, as if we've weaved our own world...

  • @zerosixmr that's correct,ancient chamans and naguals realized long ago that we teach the new generations what we percieve therefore they see what we see

  • @zerosixmr well I guess dinosaurs dreamed of us so we came to be........ lawl.

  • Hyperscience : science qui etudie l'interdependance multiverselle ©

  • @Doethsz superstring theory? est-ce que c'est a sa dont tu fait référence?

  • @fenix144 ca en fait partie, peu importe dans quelle dimension une vie intelligente (avec une conscience) puisse exister; la vie interagit au present pour chacune d'elles, incluant les humains, les insectes, les animaux, les plantes, les microbes, les autres types potentiels de vies ailleurs.. :)

  • @Doethsz ok je voit. c'est une théorie plutot intéressante.

  • @fenix144 jte remercie bien c'est gentil. le meme present de l'infinitif s'execute simultanement partout, non ? toutes especes conscientes en vie est interdependante des autres, non ? XD

  • @Doethsz plutot oui. on a juste a regarder le corps humain qui dépend de milliers de bactérie pour sa survie.

  • I had a weird thought today, what if I made a dog, wanted the do to act like a pet, lick me, wag it's tail, run around all cute, and then I decided to let the dog have free will to decide what to do with it's own life, I ask the dog, hey dog, act like a pet, like a dog, and be my pet, the dog begins to piss in my face, wank off 7 times a day, curse me, and runs off. I would find my dog, train him, love him, and give him a treat. What would you do? remembering you are both the dog and master

  • nassim haramein is one of the physics people on this video, could you please tell me the names of the other men? thanks

  • I am about to smoke a bong rip to free my Peniel Gland from the calcification , free your soul! 

  • now you'll find some ignorant child who only has seen propaganda and hear say about it and they'll say "you stupid pothead" but what they don't see is me getting a 4.0 in Computer Programming smoking all day everyday! Not one human person ever died from cannabis in all time, and Jesus Christ was Chrisened in Cannabis oils,...The oldest religous group we have smokes it as a sacramint before that study!!! before they STUDY!!!! free's your peneil gland of calcium too!! which is really good

  • love and positive vibrations

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  • I love Red Dwarf, the best Sci FI in history.... "The stasis room creates a static field of time. See, just as X-rays can't pass through lead, time cannot penetrate a stasis field. So, although you exist, you no longer exists in time, and for you time itself does not exist. You see, although you're still a mass, you are no longer an event in space-time, you are a non-event mass with a quantum probability of zero." "ohh, simple as that ey" Light speed, time travel, watch RED DWARF,

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  • Such  a well made video!

  • sound like buddhism.

  • Hebrews 11: 1NOW FAITH is the assurance (the confirmation, the title deed) of the things [we] hope for, being the proof of things [we] do not see and the conviction of their reality [faith perceiving as real fact what is not revealed to the senses].

  • Matt 6:

    22 The eye is the lamp of the body. So if your eye is sound, your entire body will be full of light.

    23 But if your eye is unsound, your whole body will be full of darkness. If then the very light in you [your conscience] is darkened, how dense is that darkness!

  • Asked by the Pharisees when the kingdom of God would come, He replied to them by saying, The kingdom of God does not come with signs to be observed or with visible display, 21Nor will people say, Look! Here [it is]! or, See, [it is] there! For behold, the kingdom of God is within you [in your hearts] and among you [surrounding you].

  • trippy the end is so trippy

  • trippy

  • This is such bullshit! Don't fuck with quantum physics or quantum physics will fuck you up!

  • This is quantum physics not some new age rubbish, Its ok if you dont understand quantum physics but dont be ignorant that births fear then to racism. your shouting your ignorance to everyone

  • @jwhcv67 What?! The conclusions they jump to in this video are most certainly NOT quantum physics. I may not understand the ins and outs of quantum physics but I've never heard any of this rubbish being spouted by anyone even remotely respectable, and if it was legit I'm sure they'd want to share it.

    This is bullshit, pure and simple.

  • @GrimJackal and what about Amit Goswami? What about Fred Alan Wolf? The only reason most scientists don't consider them reputable scientists is because they are not afraid to factor consciousness into the equation. If not for that, these physicists are any measure as respectable as your precious Hawking. Read their books! Their theories and mathematics are just as sound as anyone else's.Truth is,science is FULL of stacked up theories, with no real proof of anything even Imperialists embrace.

  • @jwhcv67 do YOU understand quantum physics?

  • New Age science is not science. This may all sound lovely, it may be what you want to hear, but it's no more valid than Heaven or Hell or any religious idea. There is a real danger here that people are being suckered in not by real science, but pseudoscientific rubbish that con artists are knowingly making money out of.

    Just look at their sources - a comedian, a buddhist, some Indian wiseman, a bunch of people sitting around lavish homes. Where's Hawking? Or any noteworthy scientific authority?

  • @GrimJackal Hawking? He believes all ET life is out to destroy or enslave humans! With an outlook like that, I'm willing to dismiss anything he has to say about the paranormal as rubbish.You see, there are two sides to truth: the material, logical side, and the spiritual, intuitive side. Both are valid, as is seen in the followers of religion AND imperialist science.Quantum physicsThe science of consciousness is the only science reconciling these two sides, but many scientists call it hogwash.

  • @GrimJackal the thing is, imperialist science has no frame of reference for consciousness, no vocabulary. They somehow believe we are the result of chemical and electrical brain impulses, a sort of bio-computer. A robot!But tell me: do you believe a robot or computer could write a piece of music that could bring tears to a mans eyes? Or paint a picture that would challenge the way a man sees the world? a computer has no CONSCIOUSNESS, and therefore is incapable of emotive response.

  • @GrimJackal wow, lol, I was amazed at the quality of the video. It had a tons of people who had found a lot of truth and in Metaphysics. This whole video was all about metaphysics. Have you watched the 8 hour lecture of Nassim? have you heard the words of the other men, I had heard them ALL! You could add a few more people I know too!

  • it must be amazeing to die

  • like this if your likfe what the fuck.... lmfao

  • Its observation that gives the wave collapse though, not consciousness. The observer can just be a scientifc recording instrument.

    If i remember right. 

  • Despite the fact that we fight and kill each other for petty things like money and religion, despite the fact that most of us fight what we call nature, despite the fact that most of us are so obsessed with what we call our persona. . . at the very core of it all, there is an unchangeable harmonious peace. I wish more people would realize this.

  • great video! who's the last guy? thanks!!!=)

  • @tangerinelime6996 Bill Hicks, a comedian. And while I love the guy's comedy, it doesn't lend much weight to this argument.

  • problem is that the whole Universe according the them started in a spot...Wrong! today we KNOW that a Quasar has no size limit and so can be the source of the KNOWN universe and not Universe that is if far larger and has much greater quasars then mankind ever seen including the one that known Universe is as part of the JET of a quazar larger than the imagination of mankind (mostly) Humans tend to think too small or too vain

  • @Peterwhitlock we know the universe originated in one point because of the doppler shift between galaxies.... don't be a dick.

  • @fenix144

    hey dick head... go learn the dopple effect is not constant and so proved the big bang is not real!

    Go learn before you call others dicks with information we know in advance is flawed!

    Since the Universe did not originate in one spot we now know it is a SWIRL caused by singularities passing each other...no big bang! and to boot how does a singularity shrink MORE? Singularites are big and they say size of a pea....lies still exposed today! How bang? No answer eh! My models can work!

  • @Peterwhitlock a singularity is big? quit crack douchebag.

  • @fenix144

    Yes IDIOT they are BIG!

    They are at least minimum size of a sun and can reach galazy size and MORE

    No limit to the size of singularities!

    they just grow in size for ever less hit by another just right.

    go lean basics of singularities and why the big bang is lies and reality is much much bigger then the known Universe that is not much more than a spark in the vastness of eternity and infinity.

    as many stars as you can spot also are singularites outside the known universe so tiny.

  • @Peterwhitlock you make no fucking sense.

  • @fenix144

    Then go learn what a singularity is

    then learn they are different sizes of them

    Then learn no shrink in mass can exist in a singularity, and why it is called so!

    so it is not mass but size!

    the size has to be counted in Qazar to exponent because the true Universe is 1000's of billions of light year wider then claimed Just here! just the local universe and so is vastly larger still.

    size of thing larger than this known universe exist and can exist by all laws!

    Too big for you?

  • @Peterwhitlock ''They are at least minimum size of a sun and can reach galazy size and MORE'' that would be true if you were talking about mass instead of size.

    ''No limit to the size of singularities!'' again, see mass.

    ''they just grow in size for ever less hit by another just right.'' I don't know wtf you're talking about but let's assume you're speaking of a black hole. black holes tend to ''evaporate over time actually.

  • I LOVE IT...I FCUKING LOOOVVEEE ITT.

  • This makes me want to grab people on the streets and tell them: Have you heard this?

  • @MyWordizBond me too! If only we taught this in school

  • great montage

  • Yes, try to imagine a space-time where the sun makes a dent in space-time because of it's mass and the Earth "rolls around" it? Freaky!

    Excellent video! I LOVE LIFE!

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  • Great cut! R.I.P Anton Wilson....You're missed, my "true" mentor. Wished I could talk to you in person, like many of us still wish to.

    Maybe your prediction on a radio show way back in the 80's about consciousness integration on a silicon chip can come true, maybe...- (quantum physic's main property..probability)

  • You nailed it! Great work,thank you!

  • why would evangelicals get heated over this? if anything this proves certain aspects of religious thought.

  • The atoms don't change, it's just your mind trying to perceive them.

  • so its possible that for example..i see the color yellow..and to me its yellow, and my brain is convinced that it has always been yellow and that everyone else knows it yellow.....but to someone else it could be green, like leaf green, even though to him its yellow, and always been yellow..and i'm red to him, and his brain is convinced that everyone sees me as red..but i'm really the color brown just as my brain is convinced that i'm brown and that everyone says i'm brown..

  • The new Alchemist change iron to gold! The stupid believe!

  • fuck yeheheheeh!!!!!!!!

  • some people take their freedom too far... And then their bodies decay and life itself decays for them... That is why they need leaders...to show them the right path to those who can't see...

    But yahushua will come again and bring us into a golden age increasing our wisdom and knowledge....

  • I find it very interesting that quantum physics is illuminating the very same path that ancient wisdom has shed light on for thousands of years. One big blink of an eye. True spiritualism and true science both have the same "ambitions". Truth, knowledge and wisdom. Knowing the truth of one's "self" is to know the truth of EVERYTHING around you.Spiritualism/Science. chemical/electromagnetic. light/dark. Yin & Yang. The way you work is the way of the universe as well. 2 sides of the same coin.

  • Interesting.

  • Beware the truth you seek, some things are better left unsaid, better left unknown, better left to the masters, but love can conquer much more. Stop seeking the light, and turn this world around. Think about what you are doing, how you help people, how you respond and react. There is no need to fear. Peace comes from with in. Very few people are ready to be Mr Manhattan.

  • @DocumentaryDoc what if i am only learning for myself? i will only tell people the things they need to know when the time is right. i wont go out in public with a megaphone like that.. i am doing research for myself thats it..

  • @king420420420420 That's just keeping secrets, which means power or acquiring power. Perhaps to keep the public at a stability it might be best not to tell them.

    So ....maybe the better approach would be to give the knowledge when the ppl ask for it. Also I realized that we are not alone, by looking at the things in this world that do not change and the fact that we bleed, and see the same ppl throughout the times we wake up, so we are not alone. Only in our minds do we explore other worlds.

  • its amazing how educators are indoctrinating youths that "science has disproved God" when the opposite is true, the more we find out scientifically, the more its obvious we inhabit only a limited realm, and that world peace, and higher consciousness, our destiny, depends on taking up the journey of spirituality, not slouching towards hedonism and materialism...that is just a lie totalitarians use to control people(see Hitler(Neitsche=God is dead),Stalin(Marx say no more), etc., etc

  • @metanosis "its amazing how educators are indoctrinating youths that "science has disproved God" Its more of science is disproving the validity of major religions. God or at least an equivalent phenomena doesn't actually get addressed specifically by science, just the claims of its direct involvement. Don't mistake the campaigning of some scientific atheists with what science actually is.

  • @adsensus In reference to your comment, I disagree. At least if your concept of god is that of a creator or such. Science does specifically address that. In fact ALL of science suggests that the universe gets along just fine without the need for a god.

    As far as disproving or discrediting major religions, science isn't needed there. They achieve just fine on their own.

  • @aburling7 No, science doesn't address it... it can't by the nature of "god". God is said to exist "outside" the realm of human interaction so there can't be any actual investigation into him directly, only his supposed interaction with our plain of existence. And im not saying that science as a whole is going after religions, just that its findings tend to address claims attributed to a gods influence.

  • @adsensus God CAN"T be outside the realm of human interaction (time and space) because he's said to be the "creator" of man and the universe. The act of creating places him INSIDE the realm of time as it takes sequential actions to create (1st day, 2nd day, etc...). So either this is an obvious contradiction or the claim that he is outside of time and space is simply an arbitrary interpretation designed to excuse his absence when called upon. You can bet that science will explain what god cant.

  • @aburling7 Why couldn't a god be outside what we are able to mess with? Lets say he is even a fraction as powerful as many religions claim... not being detected by "lesser" beings wouldn't be an issue if a "god" chose to do so. Sure, he can be in the universe... that doesn't mean that he needs to be "tangible" by human standards... why do you feel "god" needs to be a detectable force? Point is, there is no actual "god" figure we look for with science really... only is alleged works.

  • @adsensus There is nothing to support your claims. It's as though you have this idea in mind and you're pre-supposing and positing anything you can to support it. To find truths we can only use the enormous knowledge base that's available to us. Remember, "god" began as nothing more than a 4th mellinia BC desert nomads "idea". Since then we have found many reasons NOT to believe it - and NOTHING outside the claim itself that supports it . So why then SHOULD you? To do so is intellectually inept

  • @aburling7 ..."there is nothing to support your claims" ya... welcome to the world of discussions involving god. I'm not claiming there is a god, only that the idea of one "can/is" be outside the realm of being proved or disproved so claiming anything on the subject with any degree of certainty is a pointless exorcise. So what idea im a so hung up on that you seem to have issue with? Put it like this, prove to me in your next reply that there is a god or there isn't one... you choose.

  • @adsensus That's my point exactly. So why get hung up on the quandary? Is there or isn't there a Poseidon? A Zeus? A Mithra? Etc... To even entertain such questions is a complete waste of time. We might as well be discussing Dungeons and Dragons.

    DISprove you say? Disprove the 3-headed Cyclops that appears in my backyard when no one is looking. Again, to even consider the possibility is infantile.

  • @aburling7 My only problem is the certainty aspect of it. I'm more than content saying "there probably isn't one". If being 100% sure of your position helps you sleep, have at it.

  • @adsensus Once again, there's no reason to entertain it. In science it's given a probabiliy factor of "non-zero". It's like the possibility of throwing a rock up in the air and it not coming down. Sure it COULD happen. But the probability is so low that we don't pay it any mind. So why treat "god" any different? There is absolutely NO reason to think one might exist and thousands of reasons to the contrary. 

  • @aburling7 Once again... you can't quantify the odds of that. What are you even using as a basis for comparison to formulate this number? Unless you have the numbers of different realities/universes with/without gods your number is shit. As for the reason to entertain the notion in the first place, theists tend to get extremely turned off and wall up when you flat out say "no god, no reason to believe". I've found that chipping away at the faith by first casting doubt works well.

  • @adsensus And therin lies the problem. I don't try to change peoples minds therefore no need to "chip away" at their belief. I'm simply stating what I know to be fact. Agree or don't. Neither changes reality. Lead balls don't float, you can't put the Eiffel Tower in your pocket and no "being" created the universe. You can get as philosophical as you like that purple giraffs might exist in some other realm but mans imagination that god exists is simply a false hope. Why think otherwise? Why?

  • @aburling7 Never close your mind to possibilities. You stating that "no "being" created the universe" can only be taken as stubbornness. We are way too young in our cosmic understanding to even begin to make such an assertion. At best you could say that "it doesn't appear that the universe was created by and intelligent entity". Look at it like this, theist are stating what they know to be FACT and you claiming to KNOW the nature of the universe is equally devoid of FACT.

  • @adsensus Your idea that something MIGHT HAVE created the universe is stubbornness - eventhough the notion isn't original to you. If in our infancy some desert nomad had suggested supernatural billy goats created the universe but one must have faith to truly "feel" it, and people were too naive to know better so they passed it on, I have no doubt you would be telling me to open my mind to the "possibility" of supernatural billy goats. Sorry, but some ideas aren't deserving of serious thought.

  • @aburling7 Well... it IS a possibility and being that the vast majority of the planet believe this right now, your hard nose stance is counter productive to the enlightenment from my experience. Even though the onus of proof lies with those making the positive claim for its existence, they do not see it that way. But I suppose your flavor of shit can play its part too, it just makes the process slower. Your argument is only useful against the rational, which are in short supply.

  • @adsensus In case you've forgotten 99% of the people on earth once thought the world was flat. And even after the enlightenment period most still believed the sun evolved around the earth. So stating that the vast majority of the people on the planet believe in a creator means nothing in this discussion. Stupidity is a pre-existing condition. But it is treatable. If one clings to superstions they perpetuate their ignorance.

    I respect people too much to respect their stupid religious ideas.

  • @aburling7 Weeding out religion, without some major event to accelerate the process, is going to be a gradual process. Your stance promotes a cold turkey method, mine is a weening off one. I've abandoned the cold turkey method simply because it only makes the devout throw up a wall and all dialog and hope to slap them outta their religion gets pissed on. I dont really see much harm in them thinking there is something out there since there are no religious rules attached to that belief. imo.

  • @adsensus it's going to take several generations. I have 5 children ages 14 - 28 who are all atheist/agnostic. having been brought up with christianity crammed down my throat I swore I would never try to influence them either way, and I didn't

    People used to believe what they were told because they knew no better. But todays gen. has proof the world is billions of years old that there was no world flood. religions are slowly dying out due to their inconsistent claims about reality.

  • @aburling7 Well, gotta tell you I'm glad to hear you doing your part with your children to steam the tide of bs. Best of luck to you, i enjoyed our little back and forth.

  • @aburling7 you keep talking about goats and matter, none of which are infinite like the atom, and the universe, we cannot describe the infinite God in finite terms, The Beginning and The End, The First,The Last, All Life, The Alpha, The Omega, The Way, The Truth, and The Light. Light itself makes up our reality, if you go faster then light you stop time, and time

  • @ineedaname777777 If you can't even describe 'god' then you CAN'T know if it exists or what its characteristics are... so you've said NOTHING about its existence when you repeat all those descriptives. Furthermore, mathematically, an infinite god CANNOT exist. If he goes infinitely back in time and/or space, infinitely back to his NON-starting point so he could then turn around and come back to the present, it could never happen. Obviously you can never return from a place that never existed.

  • @aburling7 time does not exist for God. I've never thought it possible to travel trough time, it makes no sense at all, people are dead, there not replaying history over and over, there dead. Were traveling at 60,000 miles per hour around a Sun that's traveling at 456,000 miles per hour while all matter is held together by light traveling at 670,000,000 miles per hour. We are a grain of sand in this trillion year old universe, and God made it all happen

  • @ineedaname777777 You can't just SAY "time does not exist for God" and expect that to carry weight. Says WHO? To the contrary, if god "created" then the mere act of doing so takes sequential steps i.e. TIME! And that places him right smack dab in the middle of TIME!

    Look at things FORWARD, not Backwards; Those constants aren't the way they are SO THAT we could be here. We are here because they HAPPEN TO BE THAT WAY. You won't accept that for OUR existence, but you accept it for GOD'S? Silly!

  • @aburling7 I am not here to argue.

  • @ineedaname777777 Nor am I. I'm just having a discussion. Read 1st Peter 3:15: "Always be prepared to give an answer to everyone who asks you to give the reason for the hope that you have". That's a commandment from God. If you don't have one then you shouldn't post comments.

  • @aburling7 that's real nice...

  • @ineedaname777777 I wasn't trying to be mean. It's just that I've read / been a part of many of these discussions/debates about religion vs science and MOST of the time it's "Christians", the supposed "meek in Christ" who are the ones that become aggressive and hateful. The Atheist/science-minded offer reasons and evidence as to why an IDEA is outdated and no longer worthy of belief, they don't attack the PERSON. But Christians who dont like the counter-idea viciously attack the PERSON. Cont...

  • @aburling7 when you say Christians get offensive is because we are in "attack mode" is because we are offended when people deny our God. whenever you attempt to deny someones beliefs and offer a notion that is opposite of what u believe than yea u get agetated and sometimes a little aggresive if you will. you are suppose to sand up for what you believe in. for science guys you talk about religion any way you want because it means nothing to you but for people who hold it sacred it is serous ..

  • @aburling7... if someone were to talk about your daughter any which way you wuld get offended right?... and how woud your response be? sorta like when atheiest/ non believers talk any which way about our God thats how it feels. its not that we are hateful people its just like dont cross the line nd talk about my Lord and savior like He doesnt exsist

    i guess what im trying to say is dont tlk down about somthing that is deer to peoples hearts cuz they will have some sort of come back my 2 cents

  • @footballin724 and i thought the bible taught forgivness to those who tresspass against us ?

    didn't jesus teach guidance and understanding to all ?? maybe i'm reading it wrong .

  • @footballin724 well he doesn't.... what the hell are we supposed to say?

  • Cont... On CNN tonight they had a segment about the ever-growing number of sick children who've died because their parents are fundamental Christians who believe it shows a lack of faith in God if they take their child to a hospital. All humans beings should see that as an utterly deranged and psychotic belief that not only deserves, but DEMANDS criticism. And we should all stand up in defense of these children and against these archaic, superstitious and stupid beliefs. But when we do Con't...

  • @aburling7 Have you ever read the teachings of Jesus, not the New Testament with just 50 of the sayings but all of them , In 1945 The Book of Peter was discovered along with some dead seas scrolls, it holds the teachings that the Christians where Crucified for having by the new Catholic's who we know call Christians, I don't have an idea why. It's pretty amazing stuff, The Nag Hammadi Discovery, heres a link gnosis.org/naghamm/gosthom.htm­l

  • @ineedaname777777 Yes, I have read the Nag Hammadi collection. Again though, they and the Bible were written during a time when man thought that earthquakes and "bloody" water were curses from 'god'. They didn't know about plate tectonics or chemicals in the clay caused rivers to oxidize and become red. So much of what they wrote about was exaggerated and sensationalized due to ignorance. Therefore we MUST view those things through 21st century eye and with 21st century understanding.

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  • Con't... you can bet these Jesus-loving, God-worshiping folks will see the decent and humane efforts on the part of those who try to save their children lives as "evil" and will respond viscously in defense of these insane and deadly beliefs. That is why people criticize religious thinking; because it can be (and is!) used to justify radical and psychotic behavior and transforms it into virtues "through God's eyes". From allowing your child to die, to flying planes into a buildings.