Doug Graham & Jordan Rubin. Raw Vegan Diet or Non-Vegan? Part 1 of 2

[randydandy1974]

I don't think Doug Graham is going be healty later in life

[randydandy1974]

80 10 10 just makes you sick and weak.....You must drink eat grass fed beef, farm eggs, and raw milk to be a power house.

[ScreenNameRequired]

"it is common to hear claims that the 80-10-10 diet promoted by Graham is "well researched" with "thousands of studies" when in fact there are zero published research papers on 80-10-10 in the peer-reviewed biomedical literature."

[not801010]

Doug looks sick.. sorry.

[lightofloveunlimited]

Who the hell wants to eat raw meat? Even if it was healthy, which I don't think it is, I ain't touching it. Raw meat is disgusting.

[Lakkhesis1976]

@lightofloveunlimited Have you ever actually tried a well made steak tartare? Or Vietnamese or Korean marinated raw beef? All completely delicious.

[TardsOfParadise]

It also drives me nuts when people aren't objective. Jordan is saying "I have tried the raw vegan diet, it doesn't work for me"..."For many of the colleagues I trust, it doesn't work."

This tells us nothing. He hasn't stated what he ate, how often he ate, the nutritional breakdown of what he was eating, etc. This is the equivalent of me saying, "I tried the American diet, it didn't work"... Really, what exactly IS the American diet? What foods do you eat on the 'American diet'?

Cheers.

[TardsOfParadise]

Jordan is forgetting that ~10,000 years of 'modern man's diet' out of our 500,000+ year history on Earth is a drop in the bucket, and it is nowhere near long enough for us to have genetically adapted to it. The 80/10/10 Diet really does answer just about every question there is regarding the ideal diet.

[tokyoVENUSgirl]

DG!! Not only for the amazing research in his book, but most of all for his honesty and passionate heart ;) Response to Jordan: why do we have to keep killing animals if we've done it since "the beginning of civilized man"? We do not have to keep repeating ourselves in a vicious cycle. Another, how do you know truly if our "ancestry and genetics relate to Noah's Ark after the flood"? That does not make sense at all only if you back it up with clear evident research. Lets follow our hearts guys!!

[Lakkhesis1976]

@tokyoVENUSgirl 'Following your heart', if it's in the direction of veganism, is not going to support your health. It's that simple.

[iluv4tar]

Vitamin K2 is produced by intestinal flora. Vitamin D3 can be synthesized in the skin when exposed to the Sun.

[eringolson]

Has anyone read anything about the Stolid Gorilla? It weighs 400lbs of solid bone and pure muscle and it lives entirely on the fruits and vegetation in the tropical rainforest. We share 98.0% of our genes with the gorilla as well as the chimpanzee who does eat eggs, insects, and infant monkies.Its all about choice. I got my info from a book called The Bond Effect: Natural Eating (Nutritional Anthropology) by Geoff Bond. If any of this was disproved let me know, im not afraid to learn the truth.

[JulietHuman]

@eringolson Gorillas can weigh 400 lbs on a vegan diet because they are designed to eat it. Human's aren't which is why they waste away on it.

[redmeatheart]

Heres Durianrider summed up, "lot's of people ask me....Harley"............cue inevitable bullshit........... "It's like me saying"...........cue some ridiculous analogy that doesn't make any sense. Thats Harley's video's for you......repetitivity delusional.

[gringolazlo]

@redmeatheart If his diet was wrong he couldnt run marathons or cycle 500 miles a week.

[Pradiip79]

@redmeatheart What has Durianrider got to do with this video?

[Lakkhesis1976]

@redmeatheart Now with the addition of 'Owwwwwned, braaaaaah!' or 'Come at me, braaaaaah!', used in rotation.

[redmeatheart]

@Lakkhesis1976 lol

[robinshirley]

Well, I feel like Jordan Rubin looks vibrant, healthy, juicy and sexy...Doug looks pretty anemic. Hmmmm.

[myflesh10]

@robinshirley Jordan does look great. Doug is twice as old though so lets take that into account. Jordan restored himself from the brink of death and he looks amazing now, so thats really impressive. I disagree with Doug on many points but the diet he recommends is most compassionate and I highly appreciate that.

[TardsOfParadise]

@robinshirley Doug look pretty terrible in that video, most likely due to lighting and poor video quality.

Check out some of his other videos and pictures and you will see that he looks very good for age 60!

[not801010]

@TardsOfParadise lol yes he is glowing with health just like harley johnstone. Just what I want to look like then im 33 lol

[Lakkhesis1976]

@robinshirley Rubin will continue to look vibrant and juicy well into his 60's too, guaranteed.

[MountainQueen]

I think the most important thing for health is happiness and avoiding stress.

[InvisiMan2006]

This is at least the second video where Dr. Graham's jaw line is swollen. He says he hasn't been sick in years? He's been sick for a while it seems.

[Gary1111001]

@msquire97 Harley Johnstone (Durianrider) is Type O.

Animals have different blood types. But all animals of a specific species eat the same way.

What do you consider long term, and is your car paid off?

There's 2 threads at 30bananasaday about Type O:

* Blood Type O

* Is it true that people with blood type O cannot do lfrv?

......many type O's (and 2 long-term vegans) say they're doing best on 811

PS - blood type hype tripe :))

[Gary1111001]

@msquire97 There's numerous ways of doing LFRV wrong. (and they've been widely publicized). Doug's done some of them, as did Vonderplanets.

[Gary1111001]

Animal fat is meant for emergency energy for the animal - never meant (by God) to be eaten. the body has no use for it. It just gets in the way.

Jordan claims gorillas ate a lot of bugs. So... does he????

He says fruit and veg diet "doesn't work" and he's debating a man who's been doing it longer than Jordan's been doing any one of his diets

.

80/10/10 is WORKING better than ANY diet out there.

High-fat eaters (like Atkins) are dying

Raw vegans (like Jay the Juiceman-90 y/o) are Living

[Gary1111001]

@msquire97 Doug's appearance:

1. He spent most of his 30-years-of-raw making a lot of mistakes.

2. He's 58

3. The REALLY bad vid quality is highlighting his wrinkles (which aren't "buffed over" by the fat and water-retention that he doesn't have.

[kleinesveilchen]

80/10/10 works. Find it out for yourself, if your brave enough. ;)

I actually feel a bit sorry for Rubin... fruits and vegetables is where it's at, peeps, FRUITS and vegetables. You don't need to kill. Go vegan, and experience peace and high vibes for yourself, becoming vegan is the best choice I have ever made. ;) And reading the 80/10/10 diet! :D

[kleinesveilchen]

80/10/10 works. Find it out for yourself, if your brave enough. ;)

I actually feel a bit sorry for Rubin... fruits and vegetables is where it's at, peeps, FRUITS and vegetables. You don't need to kill. Go vegan, and experience peace and high vibes for yourself, becoming vegan is the best choice I have ever made. ;) And reading the 80/10/10 diet! :D

[kleinesveilchen]

@kleinesveilchen ooops... if you ARE brave enough, sorry :D it's late here! time for sleep :D

[greg6ft6]

Sigh. Rubin falls into predictable (and easily disproved) ideas. Like the whole "more is better" idea in regards to vitamins and nutrients. It's not a pissing contest where who has the most wins, it's how much does your body NEED and can it be readily assimilated? And Rubin's other "arguments" are just laughable. Used since the "beginning of civilization"? Ya so has slavery. Does that make it okay or correct? And using religion in a nutrition discussion is really just icing on the cake. Wow.

[HYPASPACE]

If a nutritionist can't mention calories once in a discussion, they know absolutely nothing.

[HYPASPACE]

All these stupid pill sellers that have a completely compromised view on what food is for.

[mikecazzx]

@arlahunt Please do some research before deciding anything. Nothing digests easier than fruit, especially one type of fruit eaten as a full meal. If he consumes a lot of protein from animal products like meat, cheese and dairy? Even if he comsumes "normal" amounts of these items, has he been tested for gout?

[Guesticle]

Notice how mad christboy is... too much ego for me.

[KingOfKingz911]

search for Doug Graham Fitness Stunts

[succulentesculent]

hi i don't think think panic's for numbers but means being off or pardon, as 'k2 not readily available in raw vegan's food' hints not typically bent by usual approach perhaps. using combo wild ferments i know much more is assimilated (as even cucumber protein differs in skin thinning to give it comfortably days gradual algebraically all grade perse), so searched if this vitamin for vehemence is affected by fermentation in vegetation tender and it comes up strong in natto & fermented vegetables~

[Msbulldoze]

jordans book the makers diet teaches people how to eat acoring to the bible (wich shows we started out vegan) he follows the bible not veganism ,,,,id like to see him stick his face in a cows gut n take a bite. that is nasty,,, 80/10/10 rocks!! dont ever buy raw crap on the internet again,,read 80/10/10 and eat more fruit :D eat from trees not packages ,,,i support veganism so i would not use his products ,,or any others i grew up vegetarian without supliment and iv never had any health problem!

[S1MNICITY]

I was just about to buy Jordan's raw protein powder but now I don't trust his integrity.

[S1MNICITY]

????

did Jordan say eat raw beef?

ah hell no!

I'll stick w/ team Doug!

[rawmark]

I will tell you this. Jordan Rubins raw vitamins are not raw. They are synthetically created and "cooked on a bed of probiotics" and this labeled raw. This is deceptive advertising and a marketing scheme engineered by one of his top P.R. folks because just a year before he was making negative comments about the raw food diet.

[RawFitChris]

I don't think "Man's healthiest diet" means what they think it means. Convenience, climate, availability and ability to get the food-- this has nothing to do with health. Eating cooked roots, cooked vegetables, etc. can not improve your "healthy" UNLESS you were calorie-defficient. Many people blame their ill health on their simple lack of enough calories.

[Gary1111001]

Doug said - "Health, med, and athletic scientists agree with the 811 ratio.

Jordan - "I BELIEVE (Jordans diet) is mankinds healthiest diet."

Jordan BELIEVES. He also refers to Adam, Eve, Noah and God.

Jordan discredits himself repeating childish myths that are known to be false:

"Plants aren't enough to sustain us" - It's sustained me for 17 years. Jay "the juiceman" for 60 years.

He said "this original diet concept (811) doesn't work" - tell that to Micheal Arnstein.

[mikek241]

@Gary1111He's using the terms Adam, Eve, Noah and God as metaphors for early peoples/civilizations, not in the actual sense. And Doug's claim about "health, med and athletic scientist all agreeing on what is ideal.." is again only a suggestion, it is not a fact.He never mentions any names or data to back up this claim. Oddly, enough even if you were to find this group of scientists to agree on the matter, you would probably find an equal if not greater number who disagree,with data to back it up

[Nakutao]

I LOVE THIS VIDEO! ;-) I JUST LAUGH WHEN I SEE DOUG GRAHAM.. I REMEMBER HOW AWFUL I FELT ON HIS TERRIBLE DIET AND WILL NEVER EAT THAT WAY EVER AGAIN! THANK GOD FOR RAW GRASS-FED MILK AND WHOLE FOODS!!

[brandonx19]

@Nakutao Stop lying! You've never did 811, let alone a typical vegan diet for more than a few days. You lack integrity. Why tell untruths to make a point? Besides if you did feel awful did you stop and think about maybe you were detoxing? I know you never detoxed before.

[pac0re]

"God created animals to do that processing."

/IGNORE

[RawFitChris]

It is said that before you criticize a person you must walk a mile in their shoes to understand where they are coming from. ALL raw foodists have walked a mile in cooked shoes, but cooked people like Jordan (no offense) have not been raw long enough to actually know what genuine health feels like.

[AhtiReign]

Dr. D doesn't look too great to me. 

[Gary1111001]

@AhtiReign Consider......

It's bad quality.

Most people over 40 are wrinkled. He's 58.

There's many factors for wrinkling.

Wrinkles are more obvious when you have little body fat and water retention(which are healthy things.)

Here's another pic: google "Dougsters muscles"

[MikeLockard]

Jordan makes more sense to me.

[Marcoosianism]

So it now appears that Vit A, Vit D, Vit E and K2 are the new B12, protein and iron.

... and "milk is liquid grass"? You've GOT to be joking. Seriously, when will the nonsense end? :P

[ThePaleoqueen]

@Marcoosianism I totally agree with you on the nutrition and comments! See my vids ;-)

[Marcoosianism]

@ThePaleoqueen: Thanks Paleoqueen, but I'm not sure how you find that your vids support the message I was trying to get across.

[Huskywoman]

I've read some of Rubins books. God cured him of Cruhn's disease with the help of the biblical diet, that god asked the jews to eat. I agree that too much meat is harmful to the body. we should eat more fish than other types of meat such as chicken, beef, and turkey so on. I just wish that there was convienant and enexpensive healthy foods to eat at and drink every where.

[fatlies]

Douglas Graham looks like a typical vegan. He is one of the most unhealthy looking persons I have ever seen.

[fatlies]

Douglas Graham is a complete quack with an agenda. None of what he says has any scientific basis. He is not a credible source of information at all.

Take note also of how bad Douglas Graham looks.

[82Bdog]

@fatlies What agenda you idiot. He sells no supplements like all these other "gurus". Actually he used alot of science and you have never read his book. I bet you he is stronger and in better shape than you fatty

[JenButNeverJenn]

Thanks for posting this - happy to hear different opinions.

That said, I couldn't help but giggle - on the video, Doug Graham's name is listed at "Dough" Graham. ;)

[quasim0do]

"God created animals to do that process"

I rarely get angry, but that arrogant p.o.s. made it easy for me.

[Gary1111001]

@quasim0do Jordan calls his diet the Bible diet. Aren't religious people supposed to be decent? It's Graham that's actually eating the way God intended.

[Gary1111001]

Seriously, Jordan just set us back in our health evolution. The VEGAN debate???????? Oh S___ !

Where am I getting my K2?!!! So the last 16 years, I should've been WORRYING.

[Gary1111001]

Jordan's arguments are what I typically hear from un-knowledgeable people on "Yahoo Answers". Carnivores don't actually chew there meat up. They swallow big chunks (watch a cat) and the stomach acid (7 times more acidic than ours) digests it.

"God created animals to do that processing"  - We ARE animals

Proof Jordan's wrong: Actual numbers. A fruitarian recently made a video of his blood test: Normal and better than average see: "Durianriders"

[hitssquad]

@Gary1111001 "Proof Jordan's wrong: Actual numbers. A fruitarian recently made a video of his blood test: Normal and better than average see: "Durianriders""

The explanation is that Durianriders eats large quantities of food (even bananas, if eaten in large-enough quantities, might provide enough protein), and is an extreme endurance athlete (which improves insulin-sensitivity and burns large amounts of energy). Are you suggesting that everyone else do the same?

[Gary1111001]

@Gary1111001 Also see the blood test of theFruitarian. Where's the blood test of Jordan, Wolfe (and sidekick) and the other anti-vegan "health" experts?

[quitejaded]

@Gary1111001 Humans need to chew all their food very well. Also, if this person you are talking to believes in God, then yes, God put animals for us to eat and use for our benefit. Read a bible.

[egbach420]

@quitejaded

you have quite obviously not read a Bible yourself.

[quitejaded]

@Gary1111001 Your blood is not the only measuring stick for your health!!

[RawFoodGuy99]

Jordan Rubin is wrong,humans do not have teeth for eating meat ! i ate meat everyday with every meal for 35 years,i became 100lbs over weight! i been on 97% veggie diet for almost a year and have lost 80lbs and feel great !

[hitssquad]

@RawFoodGuy99 "i ate meat everyday with every meal for 35 years,i became 100lbs over weight"

You never ate any carbs? Not even a single piece of fruit?

[louel83]

you can compare the vitamins from a non vegan and vegan raw diet but that doesnt tell you anything yet, Because who is to say what amount of the vitamins and minerals we really need. The calculations are all bla bla

[benny354]

Rubin seemed to put out the most convincing arguments here which really surprised me. However, Dr. Graham's diet 80/10/10 diet is still superior IMO.

If we were meant to eat those animal foods Rubin listed we would have developed a sense of taste for them. Personally my mouth starts watering at the sight of fragrant mangos or juicy kiwis....raw animal organs, flesh, and raw fish have very little taste to me. Ill take the fruit thank you very much.

[Sunnysilky]

Raw salmon with lemonjuice and fresh pepper is delicious, it actually tastes better than cooked fish which is much heavier.

[benny354]

I can't argue with you on subjective things like taste. But personally, I look for foods that taste good by themselves. Neither raw fish nor a lemon taste good by themselves and putting them together doesn't taste very nice either. If thrusting your hand into a stream and pulling out a wriggling salmon, tearing into it with your dull teeth and chewing up its scales, flesh, bones, and blood doesn't appeal to you, its probably not the ideal food for you. If it does, eat up!

[Sunnysilky]

@benny354 Lol damn, you're right but it's not that tempting to get a mouth full of sloppy dirt when you pick a carrot either.

Lemons taste great by themselves!

[benny354]

You're right, that's why I don't eat either of those things.

[Sunnysilky]

@benny354 good for you.

[RawFoodGuy99]

Good point benny354,raw meats are disgusting,taste and smell !

[hopesolofan18]

i love sushi it taste good to me

[RawFoodGuy99]

@hopesolofan18 ,in the past i also loved cake and well done steaks,not anymore !!

[hopesolofan18]

i was saying i liked it because someone said raw meat taste bad

[spekgirl1]

wow doug look really pale and sick :(

[Marcoosianism]

Not really fair to compare a low-quality Skype-like video feed in the case of Graham, to a video produced with a digital camera in the case of Ruben.

[Marta7350]

Hmm...not sure about Rubin. He doesn't look all that healthy to me, kind of puffy or bloated or something.

i'd have to say Graham looks more fit .

[Emmieluvin12345]

its not about how long you live, its what you do with life, quality of life.

Survive to 110, or thrive to 93?

[Mongodelight]

there are faked "scientific" studies to promote 1000s and 1000s of unhealthy products. But the most scientific research is accurate honest work.

The stupid public only gets delivered the bullshit that promotes unhealthy products that make big money by the media. But if you read the studies which are not published by the mass media you find that there are 1000s of great studies that support the 80/10/10 vegan principle(not the raw way YET). read the book the china study, a must read

[ponhand]

this is an excellent video

[nicollo9]

I think it's also important to stress that people who tend to live the longest and in the best shape don't overeat---regardelss of what they eat---and they are more active than the average North American. Also, it matters where one is living: a natural mountain setting is vastly different than downtown smoggy city. I think these differences are key in longevity and quality of life.

[todayisthedaytolive]

lets face it, cooked food just isn't that great, if you want to heal the body regardless of how long you can live on it.

Pretty much every human culture lives off cooked food at this point so just because people can live to110 doesn't mean that they wounldn't have live even longer if they had been eating raw foods.

Low fat cooked food in small amounts isn't a huge deal, but cooked high fat food, like meat is extremely taxing to the digestive system and slows digestion, and healing.

[hopesolofan18]

i eat only raw meat, fish and eggs. but ie at cooked plant foods and i get sick way less then when i was raw and dont have chronic dihharea i dont think that we are meant to eat only raw and too much fruit isnt good in my opinion. cooked meat isnt that bad by the way. its better then being deificint and having high blood sugar

[todayisthedaytolive]

I guess it depends on what you are trying to accomplish with your diet.

I presonally am trying to heal, clean, regenerate damaged tissue in my body and in my opinion eating anything that is high fat, especially cooked fat, would defenitly stop my bodies healing, which I believe comes from giving my body easy to digest foods.

But I never said cooked veggies were a big deal, I think they are fine in small amounts, but raw is just better for me personally.

[RawFoodGuy99]

hopesolofan18,people have died eating raw meats !

[hopesolofan18]

ive never heard that.if your talking about parasites i freeze or soak in lemon juice my raw meats for 2 weeks.its scientifically proven to kill them. ive goten parasites befor when i never ate raw meat and it wasnt a big deal.getting parasites helps biuld your antibodies against parasites.the only people that would die are old or very sick people with already weak immune systems.you could say the flu virus can kill people.its true...in certain cases.media likes to exagerate ans scare people

[Sunnysilky]

@hopesolofan18 I'm totally with you, I'm more afraid of touching the doorhandle of a public restroom.

[hopesolofan18]

i say blood sugar because thats what happened to me on a high fruit raw vegan diet for some reason

[todayisthedaytolive]

Everyone has a slightly different body type, so what you are saying is true for you and what I am saying is true for me.

Humans have evolved somewhat towards cooked and animal foods, so I thinks that those of us that are more fruitarians have a DNA closer to are native diet and the others are evolved more towards a more modern diet that humanity has been trying to adopt.

I'm more of a fruitarian but not 100%

[zoezuniga]

We have been eating refined, high grain, herding culture foods for only about 10 thousand years. not long enough to adapt. people are not the one species to need different diets for different types. No animal is made to need slightly different tweeks than the rest of the species. That would not make any sense, though I used to think the same way you do.

[zoezuniga]

"For some reason" if you have a lot of fat in your blood from eating tons of meat you will be sick every time you try to eat fruit. I highly recommend reading 80 10 10 to understand what goes on with a high fat diet in primates.

Once I got the fats down to 10 % and upped my fruit to 80% I felt much better than before on any other diet, zone, blood type diet, high fat raw animal diet, high fat raw vegan, low fat cooked vegan etc.

I was very skeptical but after reading and researching I got it.

[hopesolofan18]

i dont eat that much fat actually and i dont eat animal fats everyday i have a couple raw eggs every couple days 8 oz of raw fish twice a week. also im not an adult yet im a teenager. my blood sugar was high when i DIDNT eat any meat so what youre saying isnt my case. i feel better on the diet i am on then when i was on 80/10/10. my family is very health concious and so im am the same my dad is a holistic docter and i got blood tests that i was deficint in certain vitamins

[blueberryandcacao]

the essene teachings say eat live food and the milk of beasts.....he also teaches to soak wheat lentils and barley and spelt i believe, let it dry in the angel of sun and make bread.... however, just a note, jesus doesn't say eat eggs and meat....

[shoozey]

Going vegetarian almost killed me in a few months.... that said, I think some people can thrive on a vegetarian diet. I am not one of those people.

[InvisiMan2006]

Care you outline what your diet looked like during those few months?

You can eat potatoes for a few months and not come close to death... I'm interested in knowing how you pulled it off on a vegetarian diet.

Also, did you have any health issues at the time?

Thanks.

[Gary1111001]

The rules shouldv'e been: Be nice AND honest.  (rolls eyes)

[SamsRawTruth]

I eat 80/10/10 raw vegan and it makes me feel fantastic and perform optimally. I support what Doug Graham says.

[Gary1111001]

I agree 80+10+10 percent!

[todayisthedaytolive]

I resonate with doug graham much more than that other guy.

cooked meat and fish? not healthy...

[stevo35972]

no, he mainly advocates raw meat and raw fish

[todayisthedaytolive]

oh, really, than I take back what I said. I don't think raw meat is the best but I wouldn't go so far to say its a hazard to health in very small amounts. But I personally believe that raw eggs are much option for people who feel they need more protein in their diet.

[hopesolofan18]

then why has there been people wh olive 110 years in china and they eat cooked foods including grains and meat and ive never head of a raw vegan whose been a raw vegan their whole life live past to be that old if its soo much better.

[SecretsOfLongevity]

A: the body makes this from precursors of plant nutrients

D: comes from the SUN! Sunflower sprouts, mushrooms, lemon grass and some green herbs can be supplemented in times of less sun exposure, not the D3 from rancid fish liver oil.

E: that's ridiculous because there are a plethora of plant based foods high in this vitamin. Various seeds are quite high in vit. E.

[SecretsOfLongevity]

K2: HIGHEST in natto which is fermented soybeans. It's also in dairy cheese but it's the fermentation that creates it, not the fact that it's an animal product!

Zinc: Very high in Ho Shou Wu, pumpkin seeds, other seeds and much more.

Iron: non-hem (plant-based) iron is better for longevity and health as the body won't absorb too much of it.

[SecretsOfLongevity]

B12 is the result of a bacterial culture in our gut, in the dirt or in water etc. Animals just happen to eat a lot of food off of the ground. Everyone, including meat eaters should take a bacterial based form of B12.

That being said I eat some animal products. I just think Jordan's reasons for eating animals don't make any sense. I like this way of comparing two dietary frameworks!

[BrealBraw]

I wouldn't trust Jordans products. I think the vegan idea is best. To not harm anything. If you can take bee products and raw milk from animals that are not hurt or going to be killed should be fine. So we create more consciousness and not let meat-eaters be healthier than raw vegetarians. We also should not get to caught up in vitamin and minerals and blood test use more intuition.

[Nakutao]

I agree with Jordan Rubin! I do feel better when I eat animal foods. :-) Thanks for sharing this Paul! Have a great day!

[Gary1111001]

I checked Nakutao's age. Yep. Of course you feel OK. Wait till you reach 30. Meat is keeping your body from detoxing. But in your 30's, you'll get overloaded.

[thanks4tuningin]

Paul this is an excellent video!

I would rather not eat raw eggs because it's not apealling but for the past 5 months i've included raw goat's cheese and i'm happy with that. Thank you for this video

[thesetwofeet]

@CocoaBeachLife, I'm willing to accept that challenge. I do think that a raw food vegan diet is less likely to result in disease as compared to the average American that drinks soda, coffee, alcohol, smokes, eats fried foods, candy bars, hamburgers, bacon, sausage, pancakes, etc. but to say that a vegan can have better physical performance than a meat eater that only eats clean meats and also gets a lot of greens I think would be highly unlikely.

[thesetwofeet]

@CocoaBeachLife, if it were possible to outperform a meat eater physically, it would require massive amounts of greens on a daily basis. I'm not saying it's impossible, but animals graze/eat all day long. If we did that, maybe it might be possible. I'm pretty open minded. I, myself, have built muscle and lost fat on a vegan diet over a 30 day trial period, but nothing like the results I get from meat based protein.

[thesetwofeet]

The fact is we do not live in the garden of eden. We are omnivores most likely if you prefer to talk scientifically. I've read the reasoning by vegans that we are herbivores but they arguments are not well thought out:

Our intestines are long. True but it only takes about 25 hours to digest food. We have hydrochloric acid in our stomachs. Herbivores do not. Claws needed to be carnivore? Tell that to the shark or killer whale. Even the hippo eats meat. Where are his claws or k9 teeth?

[SuperRawenergy]

Great video Paul!

I believe that one way of eating is not right for everyone. I think we should all experiment and find out what works for us.

Everyone cant get the same quality of food as others and some of us start out with more health problems and some of us are more active than others.

I feel it is important to listen to our own bodies.

[thesetwofeet]

@SuperRawenergy, agreed. We are all genetically different. If you compare a dark skinned person to a light skinned person the genetic differences are obvious externally. It's scientifically supported that dark skinned people are more likely to be vitamin D deficient. Why? They need more sunlight than a light skinned person that will burn easier in the same amount of sun. This is proof that our needs for survival vary based on genetics. We are different internally as well as externally.

[TheHealthJunkie]

Well, I'll say this- Jordan Rubin definitely looks healthier than Douglas Graham. By far.

[pistasheo]

Yeah well I'm sure Jordan is in his 30s, and Doug is in his late 50s

[thesetwofeet]

@pistasheo, I think I look pretty young for my age of 42 and I've eaten crap much of my life. I've eaten meat, fried foods, junk food, Snickers bars, donuts, coffee, alcohol, refined sugars, sausage pizza and on and on. I credit my young looks to attitude and trying not to allow life to stress me out.  A bad relationship recently aged me 10 years in about 4. I looked in my twenties until that relationship.

Not smoking at all and very little drinking and low stress is key to young looks.

[thesetwofeet]

@TheHealthJunkie, but is he younger also? The video quality is not a fair comparison either. I side more with Jordan on his view points, but I want to be fair about this too. It's not a good idea to base someone's diet and health on outward appearance in all cases. Some people dying from diseases look healthy on the outside.

[TheHealthJunkie]

Yeah, I just looked at some other videos with Graham and he looks pretty healthy. The lighting in this video is just really bad.

[pistasheo]

many plants are high in beta carotene which the body readily converts to vitamin A. And we don't need to consume animals to get Vitamin D, our bodies make our own from sun exposure

[thesetwofeet]

@pistasheo, true, but in the winter months in certain regions meat is important in my opinion. In tropical regions you need less meat. That is my belief. Most people, especially vegans are vitamin D deficient in the winter.

[charlesobama]

Why doesnt he interview Charles Manson, hes a vegan, that would be interesting

[Food4Health1Spirit]

Thank you, Paul!

I belief in 80-10-10, only some persons may need

about 80% fat

at least 10% protein

less than 10% carbohydrates

Jordan Rubun seems to eat and think about the same way as I do.

Doug Graham doesn't look as healthy as he used to do.

[Food4Health1Spirit]

I like to eat the foods we are designed to eat. What they are, I am not sure.

I like to eat only plants, so no animals are hurt, but at the same time I belief plants are concious as well.

Why would killing a plant be better than killing an animal.

[Food4Health1Spirit]

The most important thing, seems to me, that the things we eat have led a natural live, choosing their own foods, regardless if they are plants or animals.

And that we eat it fresh of preserved in a nutrient conserving way.

And that we eat all of it and not just a part of it.

[thesetwofeet]

@Food4Health1Spirit, Wow, you're the first person I have heard say that about plants. I agree. They are alive. Who is to say which life is of value and which is not. Many vegans believe in evolution. If that's true, plants and animals came from the same source of life.

Also animals eat each other. If there was a spiritual power that created life, such as God, and that creator believed it was wrong to eat other species, animals would not eat animals, would they?

[InvisiMan2006]

Thanks for posting Paul.

In your opinion, what diet is more sustainable from a global perspective? A vegan or non-vegan diet?

Does Jordan believe that we have the space and resources to be feeding close to 7 billion people on a diet that contains animal products? That's a lot of fish, cows, chickens, etc. that are fighting for space, food, water, etc. Not to mention the pollution they create for the sole purpose to "feed us".

This is like a slow global suicide.

[thesetwofeet]

@InvisiMan2006, you and I never seem to agree but that doesn't mean I don't value your input.

Yes, there are problems created by consuming meat, but there are much worse things about modern lifestyles to focus on like plastic, oil & gas disposal and the pollutants of the drilling, oil spills in the ocean, emissions, radioactive wastes and on and on than to spend our time worrying about eating meat in relation to destroying the planet. That's just my view point.

[InvisiMan2006]

I'm not sure I understand your point of view.

What do those things have to do with a vegan diet?

Perhaps the reason why we are destroying the earth so carelessly is because we hold little value for non-human (and human) life.

Building a peaceful world means allowing other beings to enjoy their own happiness, and not manipulate them for our own needs.

Peace only starts at our diet, but can expand to many other things.

[Lovett17]

@InvisiMan2006 We only need to consume small amounts of animal products so they don't need to be farmed-and certainly not kept in great numbers. To obtain enough Vitamin B12, one only needs to eat an egg every now and then or go and dig up some shellfish every couple of weeks. Other animals' milk is completely unnatural to a human diet-no other animals milk other animals! Synthetic Vitamin B12 shots are certainly not part of a natural, healthy diet. We simply eat far TOO MANY animal products.

[82Bdog]

@Lovett17 If that's true then why do so many meat-eaters have low b-12 and need to supplement?

[Lovett17]

@82Bdog I don't know any meat eaters who have low B12.If there are meat eaters with low levels of B12 I assume it would be for the same reason that some vegans end up with low levels.The plants that some people and farmed animals are eating are grown in soil that has low levels of bacteria that produce B12 inside animals.If the meat you are eating comes from animals that are not consuming many of these bacteria then the meat will be deficient in B12.Ditto the plants we eat.Vegan should suffice?

[82Bdog]

@Lovett17 Eating meat has nothing to do with b-12. It's an absorption issue. Many athletes take b-12 injections no matter what diet they're on.

[Lovett17]

@82Bdog If athletes need to take B12 supplements then maybe their lifestyle is unnaturally taxing on their bodies.My family is transitioning to a vegan diet at the moment .From the research I have done into the B12 issue it is my understanding that the bacteria that create B12 in the gut are present in the soil that plants grow in.They may also be present in algae but that is debatable (B12 analogues and all that).I'm unable to discuss this further as I simply don't know what you're getting at.

[82Bdog]

@Lovett17 What I was getting at was you were saying you only need a small amount of animal products to get b-12 which isn't true or else so many meat eaters wouldn't have b-12 issues.

[meths696]

thanks paul